Color DIS / S4 cluster into red DIS car

[chad99]

I have been asked a few times through PMs how to do this ( I swapped in a S4 cluster when I first got my avant awhile back).
I haven't replied because it has been so long since I last did this.
But since I picked up another B6 I got my chance to brush up on how to do this and just swapped in a S4 cluster tonight.

DO NOT BLAME ME IF YOU MESS UP OR IF YOU GET A BAD VERSION OF VAGDASHCAN, mine works and mine is China generic but YMMV of course.

I know others charge a bit for turning it virgin but its not hard to do at all with the RB4s, scary maybe, but no soldering or taking things apart.
Honestly if you factor in the vagdashcan price plus the cluster it might be close to the same as mpower's prices, so unless you have more than 1 b6 this might be a waste of $

First you need some software and hardware:
I used Vagdashcan v.5.05 and the usb to obd2 dongle that works with vagdashcan. I got mine from a friend awhile back, it didn't say vagdashcan on it but I confirmed it is indeed the same and mine is generic, no idea where he got it from.

Get a S4 cluster off ebay or somewhere, it needs to be RB4, very important! RB8 (B7s) will not work with our cars and vagdashcan v5.05 can't program them.
If you do not have TPMS it does not matter if you get the cluster with the IMMO picture of the car and key or the one with the TPMS, just found this out tonight as the cluster I got had TPMS and I don't.
If you have TPMS then I am unsure about if the car will complain about it, I think it would since there is no way to display the TPMS light, either that or it will display the IMMO light as TPMS?
Do not believe the crap about mileage being important, it does not matter.
Normal prices should be $0 - $100 or so. I picked up the one for my avant for $70ish a few years ago and just picked up this cluster today for $90 (could have got it cheaper but I just wanted to get it done).
Part number for the cluster I just picked up was 8E0920981G

Key on engine off
Run vagdashcan and click on "Audi A4 (01-05)/RB4"
Click "Eeprom Read", cluster will make noises, needles will shake in fear, it will take a few seconds then all the values will fill in (also gives you SKC as login).
When vagdashcan reads the cluster it automatically saves the cluster file and IMMO file and stores it in the folders under vagdashcan directory.

Remove cluster (might be good idea to disconnect battery first)
Connect S4 or color cluster.
Connect battery if you disconnected it.
Key on engine off
Run vagdashcan and do the same thing as before
Once the read eeprom is done and all values are filled in click on "Clone Immobiliser"
Follow instructions that pop up EXACTLY!, I can't remember the exact words but it goes something like this:

Make sure "new mode" is on then "write changes"
then load the IMMO .bin file that was automatically saved from your old cluster
then set "used mode" and "write changes" after the immo .bin is finished.

If you followed it correctly and the commands all went through your new color cluster will be done (you will know because your ODO will show up correct), if not just do it again but close vagdashcan and key off then key back on engine off and repeat the procedure.
Also if you want to add keys or delete all keys you can do that with vagdashcan.

Notes:
If you screw something up and now when you remove your key from the ign the push clutch to start or brake to shift is still displayed on the DIS, just disconnect the right cluster plug, this will kill the cluster power, wait a few seconds then plug back in, then continue what you were trying.

Don't click the write to eeprom button, everytime I did that to mine it caused the above problem and complained about K line, also it made the mileage 6XX,XXX for some reason. I only clicked the button because I forgot how to use the software.

Hope this helps others

[cschuster]

So all vagdashcan is doing is copying files so they can be written to the EEPROM of the S4 cluster? No need for the Ross software as mentioned in previous threads? I remember something about using vagcom to switch the DIS types.

[chad99]

Vagdashcan does everything, no need for any vagcom

[Evan1028]

I am highly intrigued by this thread so much so that I am going to do a swap now! Found several clusters on ebay around $100 and found this vagdashcan software online for free so with a cheap little obd2 to usb dongle and around $100 I can have a full color DIS. Mind = Blown!!! Thanks for this write up as well [up]

[diagnosticator]

The problem is that none of the Chinese copies of VAGdashCOM actually work properly. The program OP used is most likely genuine and $$$ to obtain.

Genuine VAGdashCOM is 500 Euro.

[onceover]

I successfully did mine with a $100 ebay cable and knockoff software

[Evan1028]

I successfully did mine with a $100 ebay cable and knockoff software

Pics of the gauge cluster installed? [:D]

[onceover]

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll212/patderkacz/2B830421-4DD0-41C8-A7F4-7E30FD5F63A5.jpg (http://s289.photobucket.com/user/patderkacz/media/2B830421-4DD0-41C8-A7F4-7E30FD5F63A5.jpg.html)

[blitz2190]

The problem is that none of the Chinese copies of VAGdashCOM actually work properly. The program OP used is most likely genuine and $$$ to obtain.

Genuine VAGdashCOM is 500 Euro.




DO NOT BLAME ME IF YOU MESS UP OR IF YOU GET A BAD VERSION OF VAGDASHCAN, mine works and mine is China generic but YMMV of course.


but your are mostly right Chinese stuff like this can be hit or miss on luck. I've been looking into this for a while for when i do my interior swap.

[diagnosticator]

After my S4 cluster was virginized, I only needed VCDS to adapt everything, the process was successful the first go, everything works perfect.

[Toronto5.5]

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll212/patderkacz/2B830421-4DD0-41C8-A7F4-7E30FD5F63A5.jpg (http://s289.photobucket.com/user/patderkacz/media/2B830421-4DD0-41C8-A7F4-7E30FD5F63A5.jpg.html)

Looks great. All gauges work fine? I thought there was coding issues with the gas level and tach?

[onceover]

I didn't touch any coding. Copied all data from the old cluster and programmed it to the new one using the VAG DASH CAN v5.05 cable

[chad99]

Sorry didn't notice anyone replied to this post.
It's a easy swap, and after using the color DIS, driving one without it feels like driving a car from the 90s.

[19jdog]

subscribed for a future upgrade !!!!

[y0itzflip]

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll212/patderkacz/2B830421-4DD0-41C8-A7F4-7E30FD5F63A5.jpg (http://s289.photobucket.com/user/patderkacz/media/2B830421-4DD0-41C8-A7F4-7E30FD5F63A5.jpg.html)

what cluster is this? do you have a part number? u

[jonan]

what cluster is this? do you have a part number? u

the one i bought off of the classifieds is an rb4...i'll have to double check the part number when i get back from colorado...

[Poopcorn]

I didn't touch any coding. Copied all data from the old cluster and programmed it to the new one using the VAG DASH CAN v5.05 cable
did you do it yourself? or someone has the vagdashcan? I'm in Edmonton, Can you help me tho??
I've already got the s4 cluster

[cschuster]

What does your cable look like? There appears to be 3 versions. 1 with a OBD2 to serial, which goes into a box, then goes to USB. An ODB2 which plugs into a USB, and then an OBD2 to usb as one cable.

[onceover]

what cluster is this? do you have a part number? u

Out of an 05 S4. RB4 cluster.


did you do it yourself? or someone has the vagdashcan? I'm in Edmonton, Can you help me tho??
I've already got the s4 cluster

Yes I did. Come to Calgary and we can do it.


What does your cable look like? There appears to be 3 versions. 1 with a OBD2 to serial, which goes into a box, then goes to USB. An ODB2 which plugs into a USB, and then an OBD2 to usb as one cable.

This one: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/VAG-DASH-COM-CAN-V5-05-CAN-ECU-Trouble-Code-Reader-Scanner-Diagnostic-/221842991900?hash=item33a6df6b1c

[Poopcorn]

I'm going to Calgary this weekend . Will be in Calgary on Saturday. PM you my phone number?

[Poopcorn]

Out of an 05 S4. RB4 cluster.



Yes I did. Come to Calgary and we can do it.



This one: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/VAG-DASH-COM-CAN-V5-05-CAN-ECU-Trouble-Code-Reader-Scanner-Diagnostic-/221842991900?hash=item33a6df6b1c

I'm going to Calgary this weekend . Will be in Calgary on Saturday. PM you my phone number?

[A4orce84]

I'm selling a virgin A4 Cluster, if anyone is wanting to do a hybrid swap, and not have your car down.

Link:
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/599907-FS-Virgin-A4-Cluster-150

Thanks,
Asif

[rollerton]

Out of an 05 S4. RB4 cluster.
Yes I did. Come to Calgary and we can do it.
This one: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/VAG-DASH-COM-CAN-V5-05-CAN-ECU-Trouble-Code-Reader-Scanner-Diagnostic-/221842991900?hash=item33a6df6b1c

Not that it matters- and as he mentioned, you're on your own if this fails. But...for anyone who cares; I bought this EXACT Vag Dash Can interface about 4 years ago, likely from the EXACT same seller. It looks familiar.
I did what he did watched it brick the cluster. Back then there was no salvaging bricked clusters- nowadays a few people can do it.
Also- again, not that anyone cars but swapping the cluster and not documenting / correcting the odometer is a federal crime. I know in some states the inspection will absolutely destroy you if they catch on.

[lifeloveregret]

The only thing that kills me is the S4 badge. How would I go about doing this and keeping the plain A4 stuff? Is it as simple as a gauge face swap?

[jonan]

The only thing that kills me is the S4 badge. How would I go about doing this and keeping the plain A4 stuff? Is it as simple as a gauge face swap?

you can swap the faces if you take both of the clusters apart...the hardest part is virginizing and cloning your SKC into the s4 cluster...

[diagnosticator]

The only thing that kills me is the S4 badge. How would I go about doing this and keeping the plain A4 stuff? Is it as simple as a gauge face swap?

Are you worried about being judged as a posure? That is only applicable to guys who put S4 badges on the exterior. The coloring of the S4 gauge face overlay works with the white needles, I think it would look off with the A4 overlay.

[Airflite40]

The only thing that kills me is the S4 badge. How would I go about doing this and keeping the plain A4 stuff? Is it as simple as a gauge face swap?


you can swap the faces if you take both of the clusters apart...the hardest part is virginizing and cloning your SKC into the s4 cluster...

The S4 speedo has a different mph scale than the A4. If you swap the face and needles, the speed will not be correct. It is possible to rescale the gauge to read correctly, but it is beyond VCDS' capabilities.

Also the LED's for the needles would have to be swapped and soldered as well. S4 LED's are white vs A4 are red.


I have the S4 cluster in my car, and I don't think the S4 badge on it make me look like a poser. I love the S4 cluster's white needles and gray gauge faces.

[gmudan]

Does this effect the Immobilizer at all?

[jonan]

The S4 speedo has a different mph scale than the A4. If you swap the face and needles, the speed will not be correct. It is possible to rescale the gauge to read correctly, but it is beyond VCDS' capabilities.

Also the LED's for the needles would have to be swapped and soldered as well. S4 LED's are white vs A4 are red.


I have the S4 cluster in my car, and I don't think the S4 badge on it make me look like a poser. I love the S4 cluster's white needles and gray gauge faces.

ah yes, tom at speedosolutions could do that for you...i shipped everything to him because i didn't want to brick the cluster and it is way beyond my capabilities...he asked if i wanted to swap the faceplates and have the s4 cluster recalibrated but i opted to keep the s4 cluster as is since i like the look of the white needles as well...

[Airflite40]

ah yes, tom at speedosolutions could do that for you...i shipped everything to him because i didn't want to brick the cluster and it is way beyond my capabilities...he asked if i wanted to swap the faceplates and have the s4 cluster recalibrated but i opted to keep the s4 cluster as is since i like the look of the white needles as well...

Yup! Tom is the man!!

[k909068]

Got screwed up by cheap Vagdashcan last week, and sorted eventually by Tom the MAN!!!

DO NOT BUY THIS CHINESE CRAP(Vagdashcan)

[jonan]

Got screwed up by cheap Vagdashcan last week, and sorted eventually by Tom the MAN!!!

DO NOT BUY THIS CHINESE CRAP(Vagdashcan)

+9,000

[k909068]

Tom rocks, really helped me and my friend out. Big thumb to him!!!

S4
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/02/ad1b26966db6615143b7ae57f6153992.jpg
A4 Color
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/02/0dacfd4019bc2159228ff7483cb85d6a.jpg

[y0itzflip]

where did you find the a4 cluster?

[k909068]

where did you find the a4 cluster?
ebay!!!

[19jdog]

Tom rocks, really helped me and my friend out. Big thumb to him!!!

S4
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/02/ad1b26966db6615143b7ae57f6153992.jpg
A4 Color
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/02/0dacfd4019bc2159228ff7483cb85d6a.jpg
Damn that looks nice👍👍

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[sandspeed]

So what if you're replacing the cluster AND putting in a freshly built motor with rewritten software on the ECU? What mileage will show on the cluster?

[diuvic]

ebay!!!

I have an S4 cluster I'm sending to Tom soon. So, how did you find an A4 cluster with color DIS? I think the cabriolet models came with a color DIS vs the red/orange one the stock models came with but I can't remember. Did you look it up by part number?


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[19jdog]

Tom rocks, really helped me and my friend out. Big thumb to him!!!




Who is Tom??

[jonan]

Who is Tom??

the man, the myth, the legend and owner of speedosolutions.com...

does good work! (FULL DISCLOSURE: including my s4 cluster)

[Airflite40]

So what if you're replacing the cluster AND putting in a freshly built motor with rewritten software on the ECU? What mileage will show on the cluster?

When you perform the cluster adaptation you set the mileage, so theoretically you can input any mileage you want. Doesn't mean that you should.

[eljay]

If I'm going from a US (MPH speedo scale) A4 cluster to a Canadian (KPH speedo scale) S4 cluster, does the process work the same or does the speedo need to be recalibrated afterwards?
In other words, does copying old cluster to the S4 one keep the old cluster's speedo scale or "does it know" that there's a different scale on the S4 speedo?

[diagnosticator]

If I'm going from a US (MPH speedo scale) A4 cluster to a Canadian (KPH speedo scale) S4 cluster, does the process work the same or does the speedo need to be recalibrated afterwards?
In other words, does copying old cluster to the S4 one keep the old cluster's speedo scale or "does it know" that there's a different scale on the S4 speedo?

A metric KPH scale will result in the correct calibration, since the numbers are positioned differently. But you need to swap the speedometer servo motor as well.

Only genuine Euro ICs have C for engine temp and R for fuel level.

[eljay]

A metric KPH scale will result in the correct calibration, since the numbers are positioned differently. But you need to swap the speedometer servo motor as well.

Only genuine Euro ICs have C for engine temp and R for fuel level.
I'm confused as I have not read about swapping servo motors anywhere.

So, to go from this...
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g258/s2photo/Avant/IMG_20150821_110933.jpg

to this...
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g258/s2photo/Avant/IMG_20151205_120549.jpg

Do I really need to be swapping physical parts (servo motor) on the cluster board? I thought it was only a matter of programming the cluster to use a different scale setting to match the Canadian speedo. [confused]

[k909068]

I have an S4 cluster I'm sending to Tom soon. So, how did you find an A4 cluster with color DIS? I think the cabriolet models came with a color DIS vs the red/orange one the stock models came with but I can't remember. Did you look it up by part number?


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Well, IIRC this color DIS is equipped on 3.0/4.2. I simply used some keywords on ebay to search.

I didnt send my gauge to him, he adapted it remotely with laptop.


I'm confused as I have not read about swapping servo motors anywhere.

So, to go from this...

to this...

Do I really need to be swapping physical parts (servo motor) on the cluster board? I thought it was only a matter of programming the cluster to use a different scale setting to match the Canadian speedo. [confused]
No you don't need to swap any part in the gauge. New gauge will show correct info if you adapt it right.

[eljay]

Well, IIRC this color DIS is equipped on 3.0/4.2. I simply used some keywords on ebay to search.

I didnt send my gauge to him, he adapted it remotely with laptop.


No you don't need to swap any part in the gauge. New gauge will show correct info if you adapt it right.
Thank you. That was what I thought.

Now, regarding the remote adaptation, do tell us more. Did you run the cluster on the bench with a cable and Tom logged in remotely or is there some new service they offer to do that?

[diuvic]

Thank you. That was what I thought.

Now, regarding the remote adaptation, do tell us more. Did you run the cluster on the bench with a cable and Tom logged in remotely or is there some new service they offer to do that?

I would be VERY interested in a remote adaptation if I can't program it myself. I have a 3.0 and can definitely tell you that I don't have a color DIS. Like I said, I think it was only available in "certain" models. Cabriolets maybe? Idk.


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[onceover]

I'm confused as I have not read about swapping servo motors anywhere.

So, to go from this...
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g258/s2photo/Avant/IMG_20150821_110933.jpg

to this...
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g258/s2photo/Avant/IMG_20151205_120549.jpg

Do I really need to be swapping physical parts (servo motor) on the cluster board? I thought it was only a matter of programming the cluster to use a different scale setting to match the Canadian speedo. [confused]

I have a US S4 cluster I would be willing to swap with you if you're interested

[eljay]

I have a US S4 cluster I would be willing to swap with you if you're interested
I'm actually in Canada, so I have what I need. :)

[chad99]

I THINK this is correct, this was from my old notes when I looked up clusters, also the last letter could mean factory repaired or something like that but I don't remember what letter that was

Color Clusters
2002 – 2005
8E0 920 980M USA (S4 CLUSTER)
8E0 920 980K USA
8E0 920 930K CANADA

Non color clusters
8E0 920 950L / H / P /E (MY STOCK ONE WAS 950)
8E0 920 900L


EDIT: and convertibles have a very different looking cluster, and looks ugly IMO

[k909068]

Thank you. That was what I thought.

Now, regarding the remote adaptation, do tell us more. Did you run the cluster on the bench with a cable and Tom logged in remotely or is there some new service they offer to do that?
He'll log into your laptop and finish all the work.

What you need are:
1.laptop with "teamviewer" software and internet access.
2.Cheap Blue KKL 409.1 cable (http://www.amazon.com/USB-cable-KKL-409-1-color/dp/B008EOEAFU)
3.VCDS cable
4.The ability to remove cluster

I suggest you go his website (https://speedosolutions.3dcartstores.com/crm.asp?action=contactus) to get the contact info! He is a cool guy.

[onceover]

I'm actually in Canada, so I have what I need. :)

If thats the case and you're swapping clusters straight across you have nothing to worry about other than coding the IMMO and mileage.

[theboss]

the man, the myth, the legend and owner of speedosolutions.com...

does good work! (FULL DISCLOSURE: including my s4 cluster)

^^ what he said... speedo solutions did my s4 cluster [up]

[Boost92]

If i use vagdashcan and It fails. Can i just redo everything ( since the vagdashcan allready copied everything ) and put in the old cluster with the same file?

[chad99]

If i use vagdashcan and It fails. Can i just redo everything ( since the vagdashcan allready copied everything ) and put in the old cluster with the same file?

If your version of vagdashcan does work then the file should be correct and recoverable.

Also I don't really know what a bricked cluster looks like or acts like
is a bricked cluster when it says the word "SAFE" on the odo part?
If so then its not actually bricked since I have caused the cluster to enter "SAFE" many of times before while messing around with vagdascan and I was always able to bring it back out of "SAFE" and work like normal.

Also be 100% sure its a RB4 cluster before messing with it, I actually emailed the maker of vagdascan and asked him about the newer clusters and he said it won't work with that version and I was told not to attempt to use it.

[Boost92]

I see :) Think i will buy one and mess around with one 👍🏻 if it can get bricked , i would like to think that it is reversible to :)

[diagnosticator]

I'm confused as I have not read about swapping servo motors anywhere.
Do I really need to be swapping physical parts (servo motor) on the cluster board? I thought it was only a matter of programming the cluster to use a different scale setting to match the Canadian speedo. [confused]

I don't know where I got that from, disregard until further notice otherwise.

[szekelylaszlo86]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160305/05abf18ed8f77f683d72bf56bfbb4fdb.jpg
My old cluster Immo ID empty, why? Help me please


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[cschuster]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160305/05abf18ed8f77f683d72bf56bfbb4fdb.jpg
My old cluster Immo ID empty, why? Help me please


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Immo number and id could be the same thing. I didnt use vag dash can, but my immo ID was the in same format as your immo number. You can confirm in vcds by logging into the ECU. Both should match.

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[cschuster]

eBay Vag Dash Can software seems to be a crapshoot as to whether you get a good copy or not. There is a healthy chance of bricking the cluster, which this program cannot repair. I used a different program, Vag EEPROM Programmer 1.19, to get the SKC's and change mileage. Full VCDS can then adapt. I will outline this procedure very quickly - more detail/screenshots if there is interest. All of the RB4 cluster only stuff still applies, although the year doesn't matter at all. I took an '04 cluster and put it in my '02.

There are 2 kinds of cluster .bins that this program can work with, depending on the mode the cluster is in. In mode 6 (adapted), only encrypted .bins can be read/written. In mode 4 (new/virgin), only decrypted .bin files can be read/write. Mode 4 is also where you get SKC's and change mileage. Reading in the wrong mode will only result in a program error, whereas writing in the wrong mode can mess up the cluster. Don't worry, its fixable with a backup. Before starting, you may need your radio code. If you don't have it and continue, you may have to drive in silence until the radio can be unlocked out of safe mode. Here we go!

In VCDS, go into engine and write down IMMO ID. Go into instruments and do the same thing. Numbers will match. Ross tech explains this well.

Original Cluster
1: Open Vag EEPROM Programmer. For future steps, always use the RB4 dropdown list instead of the buttons. I don't know if they change depending on what mode the cluster is in.
1: Read encrypted cluster .bin file. Save file for backup. Label all .bins so you know what they are.
***If you somehow manage to brick the original cluster, put it in mode 6 (adapted) and write the backup encrypted file to it. It should go back to functioning normally. If it does not write the first time, try a few more times. Start over again.***
2: Put in mode 4 (virgin/new).
3: Read decrypted .bin. At the bottom it will display a 4 digit number (ex. 1111). Put a 0 in front of it, and this is your SKC (ex. 01111). This number will be adapted to the new cluster so it matches the ECU. Write it down. You are now done with the original cluster.

New Cluster
1: Disconnect battery, install.
2: Read encrypted .bin. Save as backup.
3: Put in mode 4 (virgin/new).
4: Read decrypted .bin. Write down SKC, using same method as above. For this example, we will use 02222.
5: Convert current mileage to km, enter it into the box in the lower right. Using the RB4 drop down menu, click Set Kilometers. Mileage is now set. If you are using km, obviously no conversion is needed.
6: Put back into mode 6. (Note: I first tried using virgin mode to adapt, but wasn't clear on the rest of the process and messed up. You can adapt using VCDS if you have both SKC's anyways)
7: Exit Vag EEPROM Programmer. Open VCDS. Ross Tech has an instruction and video on how to do this as well. This is just summarized from them.
8: Login to instruments using new cluster SKC (02222). Cluster is not adapted yet and still uses its own SKC.
9: Go to adapt. Read channel 50. Value should be 32000. In the test box, enter original SKC (01111). Click test, then save. Close controller, remove key from ignition for 1 min.
10: Turn key back on. Check IMMO ID of cluster and ECU. Both should match now. You will also see the new cluster's VIN to the right of the IMMO ID. If not, figure out where you went wrong.
***If you mess up bad enough to brick the cluster, simply put it back in mode 6 and write your new cluster encrypted backup .bin to it. Start over at step 1.***
11: Login to instruments using original SKC (01111). This will work now because the new cluster's SKC has been changed to the original SKC.
12: Follow Ross Tech's instructions to reprogram keys. Check instrument soft coding to make sure it is correct for your car.
13. Start car. My traction control and seatbelt lights were on, but turned off after a min. You may also have to enter the radio code to get it out of safe mode. Boom, enjoy!

Edit for you picture whores
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160305/fb3dc382751070860a7b7b7d5f3aed30.jpg

[agentsmith988]

eBay Vag Dash Can software seems to be a crapshoot as to whether you get a good copy or not. There is a healthy chance of bricking the cluster, which this program cannot repair. I used a different program, Vag EEPROM Programmer 1.19, to get the SKC's and change mileage. Full VCDS can then adapt. I will outline this procedure very quickly - more detail/screenshots if there is interest. All of the RB4 cluster only stuff still applies, although the year doesn't matter at all. I took an '04 cluster and put it in my '02.

There are 2 kinds of cluster .bins that this program can work with, depending on the mode the cluster is in. In mode 6 (adapted), only encrypted .bins can be read/written. In mode 4 (new/virgin), only decrypted .bin files can be read/write. Mode 4 is also where you get SKC's and change mileage. Reading in the wrong mode will only result in a program error, whereas writing in the wrong mode can mess up the cluster. Don't worry, its fixable with a backup. Before starting, you may need your radio code. If you don't have it and continue, you may have to drive in silence until the radio can be unlocked out of safe mode. Here we go!

In VCDS, go into engine and write down IMMO ID. Go into instruments and do the same thing. Numbers will match. Ross tech explains this well.

Original Cluster
1: Open Vag EEPROM Programmer. For future steps, always use the RB4 dropdown list instead of the buttons. I don't know if they change depending on what mode the cluster is in.
1: Read encrypted cluster .bin file. Save file for backup. Label all .bins so you know what they are.
***If you somehow manage to brick the original cluster, put it in mode 6 (adapted) and write the backup encrypted file to it. It should go back to functioning normally. If it does not write the first time, try a few more times. Start over again.***
2: Put in mode 4 (virgin/new).
3: Read decrypted .bin. At the bottom it will display a 4 digit number (ex. 1111). Put a 0 in front of it, and this is your SKC (ex. 01111). This number will be adapted to the new cluster so it matches the ECU. Write it down. You are now done with the original cluster.

New Cluster
1: Disconnect battery, install.
2: Read encrypted .bin. Save as backup.
3: Put in mode 4 (virgin/new).
4: Read decrypted .bin. Write down SKC, using same method as above. For this example, we will use 02222.
5: Convert current mileage to km, enter it into the box in the lower right. Using the RB4 drop down menu, click Set Kilometers. Mileage is now set. If you are using km, obviously no conversion is needed.
6: Put back into mode 6. (Note: I first tried using virgin mode to adapt, but wasn't clear on the rest of the process and messed up. You can adapt using VCDS if you have both SKC's anyways)
7: Exit Vag EEPROM Programmer. Open VCDS. Ross Tech has an instruction and video on how to do this as well. This is just summarized from them.
8: Login to instruments using new cluster SKC (02222). Cluster is not adapted yet and still uses its own SKC.
9: Go to adapt. Read channel 50. Value should be 32000. In the test box, enter original SKC (01111). Click test, then save. Close controller, remove key from ignition for 1 min.
10: Turn key back on. Check IMMO ID of cluster and ECU. Both should match now. You will also see the new cluster's VIN to the right of the IMMO ID. If not, figure out where you went wrong.
***If you mess up bad enough to brick the cluster, simply put it back in mode 6 and write your new cluster encrypted backup .bin to it. Start over at step 1.***
11: Login to instruments using original SKC (01111). This will work now because the new cluster's SKC has been changed to the original SKC.
12: Follow Ross Tech's instructions to reprogram keys. Check instrument soft coding to make sure it is correct for your car.
13. Start car. My traction control and seatbelt lights were on, but turned off after a min. You may also have to enter the radio code to get it out of safe mode. Boom, enjoy!

My current ECU is from another car and has a defeated immobilizer. Any ideas as to how this process would differ in my situation?

[cschuster]

My current ECU is from another car and has a defeated immobilizer. Any ideas as to how this process would differ in my situation?
I don't really know because I only have very limited experience, but I think any compatible cluster will work because the ECU isn't looking for an immo. you still need to charge mileage though. Not sure how that affects keys though.

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[19jdog]

eBay Vag Dash Can software seems to be a crapshoot as to whether you get a good copy or not. There is a healthy chance of bricking the cluster, which this program cannot repair. I used a different program, Vag EEPROM Programmer 1.19


This is very true! Vagdashcan sucks ass. I bricked my cluster and only found out eeprom program AFTER I bricked my cluster. Going to send it to to Tom, which I should have in the first place!![headbang]

[Legios86]

For Vag eeprom programme witch cable good?

[cschuster]

This is very true! Vagdashcan sucks ass. I bricked my cluster and only found out eeprom program AFTER I bricked my cluster. Going to send it to to Tom, which I should have in the first place!![headbang]

I have a fresh .bin from mine you can use that will fix it. Could save you a few bucks. PM me.

[19jdog]

I have a fresh .bin from mine you can use that will fix it. Could save you a few bucks. PM me.
I have all the cables, I have licensed vcds, 2 blue cables and vagdashcan. Which one did you use?

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[jesse500]

so how are you guys getting this done? I've never heard of this vagdashcam stuff? Is this another word for VCDS? Does it help if a car is IMMO defeated? I want to put a 04 S4 color cluster into my 04 A4.
Does it matter if Auto/6MT cars cluster came out of?

Tom Wants $150 US to do a cluster remotely. Thats 1/3 more than I paid for cluster.

[elewsader]

so how are you guys getting this done? I've never heard of this vagdashcam stuff? Is this another word for VCDS? Does it help if a car is IMMO defeated? I want to put a 04 S4 color cluster into my 04 A4.
Does it matter if Auto/6MT cars cluster came out of?

Tom Wants $150 US to do a cluster remotely. Thats 1/3 more than I paid for cluster.

Vagdashcan, and VCDS are two completely different applications. Vagdashcan is a hit or miss on whether or not you can find a "working" version of the program that doesn't brick your cluster. However you can use Vageeprogrammer 1.19, there's a "working" version over at Nefariousmotorsports.com.

For those who are IMMO equipped they would need to install the donor cluster and set it to "new mode", match their equivalent mileage, then follow the adaptation process using their Rosstech cable and VCDS.
The original ECU pin is still needed, as you will still need to re-pair keys to the IMMO system, once the cluster has been adapted.

I suspect the process would be much simpler for you, I've never installed a cluster into an IMMO defeated vehicle, but I'm guessing it would just be plug and play, aside from an illuminated/flashing key in your dash.

Tom's price is primarily an insurance cost for when/if you make a mistake, and can't dig yourself out; there have been plenty of bricked RB4's sent to him over the years.

[cschuster]

Here is a Drive link with the program and Ross VCP drivers. Follow above post for procedure. There is also a backup file + quick recovery instruction for your new cluster in case you mess something up - it may or may not work for you, but its worth a shot. Cluster MUST be in adapted mode before writing encrypted recovery file. Anyone with the link can view/download.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B00qoS_xs8oZV1ZMaTJyYnlwaGs

[y0itzflip]

anybody know if this is possible with an ebay cable and vcds lite? (registered not shareware version)

[19jdog]

Update!!

My cluster was fixed by Tom. He had to restore the secure block / crypto area from scratch. I had realy fucked it up with the Chinese Vagdashcan. It will be here tomorrow, I plan on using my blue ebay cable to get it adapted to my car.

[EuroxS4]

This is very simple can be done with basic kkl cable and a good piece of software.Im in NJ done it all.

[y0itzflip]

sounds good. i just picked up a cheapy laptop from best buy. im going to use for this and im just trying to get the program to connect, probably dont have the drivers installed properly lol.

[cschuster]

Update!!

My cluster was fixed by Tom. He had to restore the secure block / crypto area from scratch. I had realy fucked it up with the Chinese Vagdashcan. It will be here tomorrow, I plan on using my blue ebay cable to get it adapted to my car.

Good to hear. The Chinese got you good this time.

[19jdog]

Success!! Keys adapted too

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160325/991a809e646fbea34516b5368ae2c77e.jpg

[k909068]

Update!!

My cluster was fixed by Tom. He had to restore the secure block / crypto area from scratch. I had realy fucked it up with the Chinese Vagdashcan. It will be here tomorrow, I plan on using my blue ebay cable to get it adapted to my car.
Yeah I was on the same boat before Tom came to rescue. The Chinese Vagdashcan is absolutely a garbage.

[y0itzflip]

when im trying to put in mode 4 (original cluster) after i read the encrypted, it says (no ecu found...) should the car be on? (i just have it in the acc position)


edit, now im getting that error when i try to read eeprom as well. nothing has changed besides me saving the bin. cluster and car all start up and run fine.

[cschuster]

when im trying to put in mode 4 (original cluster) after i read the encrypted, it says (no ecu found...) should the car be on? (i just have it in the acc position)


edit, now im getting that error when i try to read eeprom as well. nothing has changed besides me saving the bin. cluster and car all start up and run fine.

Its your connection then - play around with the USB/COM settings. Car needs to be in the on position, but not running.

[y0itzflip]

yep, im not sure what it is, but if i keep trying it eventually works. got all the way up to the adaption point. then remembered my vcds-lite isnt registered on this laptop. so waiting on my other laptop to charge up (since the battery dies really fast if it isnt fully charged lol. vintage) and hopefully i can adapt with vcds and be on my way. this is exciting lol.

[y0itzflip]

after i used eeeprom and put back into mode 6, i get safe mode. is that supposed to happen?

[19jdog]

after i used eeeprom and put back into mode 6, i get safe mode. is that supposed to happen?


I used this diy and it worked flawlessly!!


eBay Vag Dash Can software seems to be a crapshoot as to whether you get a good copy or not. There is a healthy chance of bricking the cluster, which this program cannot repair. I used a different program, Vag EEPROM Programmer 1.19, to get the SKC's and change mileage. Full VCDS can then adapt. I will outline this procedure very quickly - more detail/screenshots if there is interest. All of the RB4 cluster only stuff still applies, although the year doesn't matter at all. I took an '04 cluster and put it in my '02.

There are 2 kinds of cluster .bins that this program can work with, depending on the mode the cluster is in. In mode 6 (adapted), only encrypted .bins can be read/written. In mode 4 (new/virgin), only decrypted .bin files can be read/write. Mode 4 is also where you get SKC's and change mileage. Reading in the wrong mode will only result in a program error, whereas writing in the wrong mode can mess up the cluster. Don't worry, its fixable with a backup. Before starting, you may need your radio code. If you don't have it and continue, you may have to drive in silence until the radio can be unlocked out of safe mode. Here we go!

In VCDS, go into engine and write down IMMO ID. Go into instruments and do the same thing. Numbers will match. Ross tech explains this well.

Original Cluster
1: Open Vag EEPROM Programmer. For future steps, always use the RB4 dropdown list instead of the buttons. I don't know if they change depending on what mode the cluster is in.
1: Read encrypted cluster .bin file. Save file for backup. Label all .bins so you know what they are.
***If you somehow manage to brick the original cluster, put it in mode 6 (adapted) and write the backup encrypted file to it. It should go back to functioning normally. If it does not write the first time, try a few more times. Start over again.***
2: Put in mode 4 (virgin/new).
3: Read decrypted .bin. At the bottom it will display a 4 digit number (ex. 1111). Put a 0 in front of it, and this is your SKC (ex. 01111). This number will be adapted to the new cluster so it matches the ECU. Write it down. You are now done with the original cluster.

New Cluster
1: Disconnect battery, install.
2: Read encrypted .bin. Save as backup.
3: Put in mode 4 (virgin/new).
4: Read decrypted .bin. Write down SKC, using same method as above. For this example, we will use 02222.
5: Convert current mileage to km, enter it into the box in the lower right. Using the RB4 drop down menu, click Set Kilometers. Mileage is now set. If you are using km, obviously no conversion is needed.
6: Put back into mode 6. (Note: I first tried using virgin mode to adapt, but wasn't clear on the rest of the process and messed up. You can adapt using VCDS if you have both SKC's anyways)
7: Exit Vag EEPROM Programmer. Open VCDS. Ross Tech has an instruction and video on how to do this as well. This is just summarized from them.
8: Login to instruments using new cluster SKC (02222). Cluster is not adapted yet and still uses its own SKC.
9: Go to adapt. Read channel 50. Value should be 32000. In the test box, enter original SKC (01111). Click test, then save. Close controller, remove key from ignition for 1 min.
10: Turn key back on. Check IMMO ID of cluster and ECU. Both should match now. You will also see the new cluster's VIN to the right of the IMMO ID. If not, figure out where you went wrong.
***If you mess up bad enough to brick the cluster, simply put it back in mode 6 and write your new cluster encrypted backup .bin to it. Start over at step 1.***
11: Login to instruments using original SKC (01111). This will work now because the new cluster's SKC has been changed to the original SKC.
12: Follow Ross Tech's instructions to reprogram keys. Check instrument soft coding to make sure it is correct for your car.
13. Start car. My traction control and seatbelt lights were on, but turned off after a min. You may also have to enter the radio code to get it out of safe mode. Boom, enjoy!

Edit for you picture whores
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160305/fb3dc382751070860a7b7b7d5f3aed30.jpg

I did use the ross tech for adaptation

[y0itzflip]

update I'm assuming it was because the key wasn't programmed (even tho I never started the car...the safe mode popping up had me feeling I was doing something wrong)

programmed my key and car starts and runs now.

however my gas gauge isn't reading right. filled up the tank and it only shows a little below half and gas light on.

[Boost92]

eBay Vag Dash Can software seems to be a crapshoot as to whether you get a good copy or not. There is a healthy chance of bricking the cluster, which this program cannot repair. I used a different program, Vag EEPROM Programmer 1.19, to get the SKC's and change mileage. Full VCDS can then adapt. I will outline this procedure very quickly - more detail/screenshots if there is interest. All of the RB4 cluster only stuff still applies, although the year doesn't matter at all. I took an '04 cluster and put it in my '02.

There are 2 kinds of cluster .bins that this program can work with, depending on the mode the cluster is in. In mode 6 (adapted), only encrypted .bins can be read/written. In mode 4 (new/virgin), only decrypted .bin files can be read/write. Mode 4 is also where you get SKC's and change mileage. Reading in the wrong mode will only result in a program error, whereas writing in the wrong mode can mess up the cluster. Don't worry, its fixable with a backup. Before starting, you may need your radio code. If you don't have it and continue, you may have to drive in silence until the radio can be unlocked out of safe mode. Here we go!

In VCDS, go into engine and write down IMMO ID. Go into instruments and do the same thing. Numbers will match. Ross tech explains this well.

Original Cluster
1: Open Vag EEPROM Programmer. For future steps, always use the RB4 dropdown list instead of the buttons. I don't know if they change depending on what mode the cluster is in.
1: Read encrypted cluster .bin file. Save file for backup. Label all .bins so you know what they are.
***If you somehow manage to brick the original cluster, put it in mode 6 (adapted) and write the backup encrypted file to it. It should go back to functioning normally. If it does not write the first time, try a few more times. Start over again.***
2: Put in mode 4 (virgin/new).
3: Read decrypted .bin. At the bottom it will display a 4 digit number (ex. 1111). Put a 0 in front of it, and this is your SKC (ex. 01111). This number will be adapted to the new cluster so it matches the ECU. Write it down. You are now done with the original cluster.

New Cluster
1: Disconnect battery, install.
2: Read encrypted .bin. Save as backup.
3: Put in mode 4 (virgin/new).
4: Read decrypted .bin. Write down SKC, using same method as above. For this example, we will use 02222.
5: Convert current mileage to km, enter it into the box in the lower right. Using the RB4 drop down menu, click Set Kilometers. Mileage is now set. If you are using km, obviously no conversion is needed.
6: Put back into mode 6. (Note: I first tried using virgin mode to adapt, but wasn't clear on the rest of the process and messed up. You can adapt using VCDS if you have both SKC's anyways)
7: Exit Vag EEPROM Programmer. Open VCDS. Ross Tech has an instruction and video on how to do this as well. This is just summarized from them.
8: Login to instruments using new cluster SKC (02222). Cluster is not adapted yet and still uses its own SKC.
9: Go to adapt. Read channel 50. Value should be 32000. In the test box, enter original SKC (01111). Click test, then save. Close controller, remove key from ignition for 1 min.
10: Turn key back on. Check IMMO ID of cluster and ECU. Both should match now. You will also see the new cluster's VIN to the right of the IMMO ID. If not, figure out where you went wrong.
***If you mess up bad enough to brick the cluster, simply put it back in mode 6 and write your new cluster encrypted backup .bin to it. Start over at step 1.***
11: Login to instruments using original SKC (01111). This will work now because the new cluster's SKC has been changed to the original SKC.
12: Follow Ross Tech's instructions to reprogram keys. Check instrument soft coding to make sure it is correct for your car.
13. Start car. My traction control and seatbelt lights were on, but turned off after a min. You may also have to enter the radio code to get it out of safe mode. Boom, enjoy!

Edit for you picture whores
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160305/fb3dc382751070860a7b7b7d5f3aed30.jpg


What type of cabele did you use?

[cschuster]

What type of cabele did you use?
I used a old key-usb Ross tech cable

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[cschuster]

update I'm assuming it was because the key wasn't programmed (even tho I never started the car...the safe mode popping up had me feeling I was doing something wrong)

programmed my key and car starts and runs now.

however my gas gauge isn't reading right. filled up the tank and it only shows a little below half and gas light on.
Coding for the gas tank/region probably has to be corrected.

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[Boost92]

I used a old key-usb Ross tech cable

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Okey, Thanks :)

[ReinS]

however my gas gauge isn't reading right. filled up the tank and it only shows a little below half and gas light on.

Happened with my car also. Fuel gauge reset helped. With Ignition off pull fuses 15 and 28 out then put ignition to on for a couple seconds,
turn the key back off pop fuses in and should be good. At first nothing changed. Already thinked that sender is toast, but next morning added gas and gauge started act correctly. Also look Instruments-17-->Adaption-10-->Channel 30 value. Default is 128. My problem is that i can't set to newmode to change mileage. Give "Not an Audi A4 RB4 encrypted..." error. Also when it read encrypted, give me pin and other info straight away. No need for decrypted reading. Any thoughts why it so?

[y0itzflip]

Coding for the gas tank/region probably has to be corrected.

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i was at work today and that crossed my mind. i ran a scan and recieved and error for no signal from secondary fuel sending or something. which i believe is onl part of quattro models (i have a cvt)

going to give it a look a little later.

Happened with my car also. Fuel gauge reset helped. With Ignition off pull fuses 15 and 28 out then put ignition to on for a couple seconds,
turn the key back off pop fuses in and should be good. At first nothing changed. Already thinked that sender is toast, but next morning added gas and gauge started act correctly. Also look Instruments-17-->Adaption-10-->Channel 30 value. Default is 128. My problem is that i can't set to newmode to change mileage. Give "Not an Audi A4 RB4 encrypted..." error. Also when it read encrypted, give me pin and other info straight away. No need for decrypted reading. Any thoughts why it so?


ill give this a shot if the coding doesnt work. i really think thats what is, now that im paying attention to the error.

[y0itzflip]

update. recoded for the largr tank and al is well. sorry for a bunch of posts, just hate seein unanswered questions online. hopefully this info will help others

[Boost92]

update. recoded for the largr tank and al is well. sorry for a bunch of posts, just hate seein unanswered questions online. hopefully this info will help others


Thats good [:)]

[szekelylaszlo86]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160326/90ffcfc0513b51c392c1ad0d5d76c5c1.jpg

What the wrong? :/


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[y0itzflip]

check your port settings. i had to manually go to device manager and change it to port 1 (or whatever you have open) and it would connect.

[szekelylaszlo86]

check your port settings. i had to manually go to device manager and change it to port 1 (or whatever you have open) and it would connect.

I'm check all ports:
Com1
Com2
Usb

Everything come up the error message http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160326/742e9b82aa4b3afee5723bddcc1a7f56.jpg

[y0itzflip]

did u go to device manager and change your port?

[19jdog]

I used a old key-usb Ross tech cable

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Okey, Thanks :)


I used the blue ebay cable. My licensed Ross tech cable wouldn't work. Weird...

[19jdog]

did u go to device manager and change your port?

szekelylaszlo86

I'm running windows 7 with eeprom 1.19 on the garage computer, worked great. Are you using windows 10??

[Boost92]

I used the blue ebay cable. My licensed Ross tech cable wouldn't work. Weird...


hmm..[confused]

[y0itzflip]

I used blue eBay cable as well. I was having those connection issues I think because my battery was dying. put it on the charger while coding and disabled my my always on dogs and I was able to code easy.


also I was using Windows 10. had the apps in compatibly mode I believe service pack 3.

[szekelylaszlo86]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160406/f946f71926292b0aa1eb6b0007df3a7c.jpg

Hi,

How to fix it this one? I read out the skc with eeprom but old cluster and new cluster come up the same code, and vcds send me the error message.


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[cschuster]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160406/f946f71926292b0aa1eb6b0007df3a7c.jpg

Hi,

How to fix it this one? I read out the skc with eeprom but old cluster and new cluster come up the same code, and vcds send me the error message.


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The 2 clusters should have different codes, unless you have messed with it already. Sounds like you at the stage where you have both SKC's and are adapting in the Instruments Controller. If this is true, you need to enter the new cluster's SKC first to login. Then you can adapt it. Also make sure the cluster is in the correct mode.

[Boost92]

eBay Vag Dash Can software seems to be a crapshoot as to whether you get a good copy or not. There is a healthy chance of bricking the cluster, which this program cannot repair. I used a different program, Vag EEPROM Programmer 1.19, to get the SKC's and change mileage. Full VCDS can then adapt. I will outline this procedure very quickly - more detail/screenshots if there is interest. All of the RB4 cluster only stuff still applies, although the year doesn't matter at all. I took an '04 cluster and put it in my '02.

There are 2 kinds of cluster .bins that this program can work with, depending on the mode the cluster is in. In mode 6 (adapted), only encrypted .bins can be read/written. In mode 4 (new/virgin), only decrypted .bin files can be read/write. Mode 4 is also where you get SKC's and change mileage. Reading in the wrong mode will only result in a program error, whereas writing in the wrong mode can mess up the cluster. Don't worry, its fixable with a backup. Before starting, you may need your radio code. If you don't have it and continue, you may have to drive in silence until the radio can be unlocked out of safe mode. Here we go!

In VCDS, go into engine and write down IMMO ID. Go into instruments and do the same thing. Numbers will match. Ross tech explains this well.

Original Cluster
1: Open Vag EEPROM Programmer. For future steps, always use the RB4 dropdown list instead of the buttons. I don't know if they change depending on what mode the cluster is in.
1: Read encrypted cluster .bin file. Save file for backup. Label all .bins so you know what they are.
***If you somehow manage to brick the original cluster, put it in mode 6 (adapted) and write the backup encrypted file to it. It should go back to functioning normally. If it does not write the first time, try a few more times. Start over again.***
2: Put in mode 4 (virgin/new).
3: Read decrypted .bin. At the bottom it will display a 4 digit number (ex. 1111). Put a 0 in front of it, and this is your SKC (ex. 01111). This number will be adapted to the new cluster so it matches the ECU. Write it down. You are now done with the original cluster.

New Cluster
1: Disconnect battery, install.
2: Read encrypted .bin. Save as backup.
3: Put in mode 4 (virgin/new).
4: Read decrypted .bin. Write down SKC, using same method as above. For this example, we will use 02222.
5: Convert current mileage to km, enter it into the box in the lower right. Using the RB4 drop down menu, click Set Kilometers. Mileage is now set. If you are using km, obviously no conversion is needed.
6: Put back into mode 6. (Note: I first tried using virgin mode to adapt, but wasn't clear on the rest of the process and messed up. You can adapt using VCDS if you have both SKC's anyways)
7: Exit Vag EEPROM Programmer. Open VCDS. Ross Tech has an instruction and video on how to do this as well. This is just summarized from them.
8: Login to instruments using new cluster SKC (02222). Cluster is not adapted yet and still uses its own SKC.
9: Go to adapt. Read channel 50. Value should be 32000. In the test box, enter original SKC (01111). Click test, then save. Close controller, remove key from ignition for 1 min.
10: Turn key back on. Check IMMO ID of cluster and ECU. Both should match now. You will also see the new cluster's VIN to the right of the IMMO ID. If not, figure out where you went wrong.
***If you mess up bad enough to brick the cluster, simply put it back in mode 6 and write your new cluster encrypted backup .bin to it. Start over at step 1.***
11: Login to instruments using original SKC (01111). This will work now because the new cluster's SKC has been changed to the original SKC.
12: Follow Ross Tech's instructions to reprogram keys. Check instrument soft coding to make sure it is correct for your car.
13. Start car. My traction control and seatbelt lights were on, but turned off after a min. You may also have to enter the radio code to get it out of safe mode. Boom, enjoy!

Edit for you picture whores
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160305/fb3dc382751070860a7b7b7d5f3aed30.jpg


Im getting "No ECU Found" when i try to read EEprom ( Encrypted )

I only have the HEX+CAN Dual-K & can for USB.

Any ideas? :)

[y0itzflip]

i was getting the error here and there. just keep trying to read, try a different port or close everything power off car unplug cluster and start all over. also i found that i had better results when my car battery was on a charger.

[cschuster]

I had that happen a few times as well. If you have connected to it before, then you have the right settings. Try a few more times. y0itsflip is probably right about the battery. Now that he brought that up, I do remember reading somewhere about the voltage needing to be high enough. I don't know what that range is, guessing anything above 12VDC. If you don't have a charger and the car has been sitting for a bit, you could always run the car for a few min to bring the voltage up.

[y0itzflip]

or if you have access to another car, connect jumper cables and have the other car running while your doing the coding. honestly shouldnt take more than a few minutes once you have the steps down.

[szekelylaszlo86]

Hi body,

I swapped the cluster, I follow the instructions step by step, vcds: accept the login code new cluster and chasis number is correct (display the current car) but dosent start my car... http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160428/1a883ad02ecedf610cd11bde486e292d.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160428/6f53bd50e9a0d99c5ebe1b23b7b837ef.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160428/f35645a6951519d0a835b77e2abda525.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160428/073204981e09076c7d1d5edab7c5eac2.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160428/6f53bd50e9a0d99c5ebe1b23b7b837ef.jpg


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[elewsader]

Hi body,

I swapped the cluster, I follow the instructions step by step, vcds: accept the login code new cluster and chasis number is correct (display the current car) but dosent start my car...
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Did you re-match your keys to the car?

http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/Immobilizer_III_Key_Matching_(Cluster)

[ADCS]

I am looking to install a 2.7T BEL ME7.1.1 ECU (with IMMO) into a B6. I want to keep the immobilizer. Instead of going through the daunting process of putting the ECU into boot mode to either clone the IMMO from the 1.8t, or deactivate it, I am thinking of using the method outlined in post #60 to read the 2.7t ECU and change the cluster to match. Sort of the reverse of the initial intent of the procedure. Does anybody see any issues doing that before I attempt?

Post #60 (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/658776-Color-DIS-S4-cluster-into-red-DIS-car?p=11451530&viewfull=1#post11451530)

[Axis]

Successfully installed a 2005 S4 cluster in my 2004 A4 with the help of az member eljay and was wondering if I could install an early 2004 S4 cluster (Immo symbol in place of where the TPMS symbol would be) into my friends 2002 A4?

Im using a genuine vcds cable and vag eeprom.

I've read contradictory info. in some thread it says you cant and in other people mention they did it.

Rather make sure before attempting it.

Picture of the cluster installed in my car because we like pictures:

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161129/fa3b098dbfad33e024803efa2c173993.jpg

[chad99]

I have put both TPMS and IMMO icon clusters into a 2002 A4 with no problems

[pablolizarraga]

Picture of the cluster installed in my car because we like pictures:

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161129/fa3b098dbfad33e024803efa2c173993.jpg

That's looking really good! [emoji1360]

What model/yr is that steering wheel from? Are all it's buttons functional? And, how much did you pay for steering wheel?



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[Axis]

I have put both TPMS and IMMO icon clusters into a 2002 A4 with no problems

Thank you for your input, much appreciated


That's looking really good! [emoji1360]

What model/yr is that steering wheel from? Are all it's buttons functional? And, how much did you pay for steering wheel?

Sent from my iPhone using Audizine mobile app

Its from an 2015 8V A3 Sline, the buttons are from an 8K (Post facelift A4/S4/Q5/Q7) and are functionnal.

You need to retrofit a B7 clock spring/steering module with connector to make them work.

Hope it helps.

[seanf86]

I am looking to install a 2.7T BEL ME7.1.1 ECU (with IMMO) into a B6. I want to keep the immobilizer. Instead of going through the daunting process of putting the ECU into boot mode to either clone the IMMO from the 1.8t, or deactivate it, I am thinking of using the method outlined in post #60 to read the 2.7t ECU and change the cluster to match. Sort of the reverse of the initial intent of the procedure. Does anybody see any issues doing that before I attempt?

Post #60 (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/658776-Color-DIS-S4-cluster-into-red-DIS-car?p=11451530&viewfull=1#post11451530)

I would read the PIN code from the 1.8t ecu and adapt the 2.7t ecu to accept the 1.8t pin code so your keys, cluster and ecu stay matched. I use k commander for reading the ecu pin codes and swapping ecus back and forth.

[egovreau]

For those that are using the Genuine Ross-tech cables with VAG EEPROM Programmer to access their clusters and are running into problems connecting to the ECU, try this:

In the Ross-tech software, in the connection settings, there is a box that is likely checked called 'Start up in Intelligent mode' or something to that effect. Uncheck that, test the connection settings and save them. Now open VAG EEPROM Programmer, attempt to connect to the Cluster (encrypted) and it should work.

I was constantly getting the error that it could not find the ECU until I changed these settings.

When you go back to VCDS, you can re-check the box.

[eljay]

For those that are using the Genuine Ross-tech cables with VAG EEPROM Programmer to access their clusters and are running into problems connecting to the ECU, try this:

In the Ross-tech software, in the connection settings, there is a box that is likely checked called 'Start up in Intelligent mode' or something to that effect. Uncheck that, test the connection settings and save them. Now open VAG EEPROM Programmer, attempt to connect to the Cluster (encrypted) and it should work.

I was constantly getting the error that it could not find the ECU until I changed these settings.

When you go back to VCDS, you can re-check the box.
I can confirm that this is the solution for that. Thanks.

[egovreau]

Curses. After finally getting everything together I needed. I started back down this road arned with VAG EEPROM Programmer, Ross-tech cable in dumb mode. Copied encrypted and decrypted .bin files from red cluster. Installed the new (was last left with dreaded DEF error from previous attempt) and tried to write the clean file cschuster made available, but it didn't take.

If I thought it would eventually work if I kept trying, I would. I think it's well and truly bricked, so I will probably end up sending it off to Speedo Solutions. :-(

Sent from the 7th Galaxy.

[eljay]

Curses. After finally getting everything together I needed. I started back down this road arned with VAG EEPROM Programmer, Ross-tech cable in dumb mode. Copied encrypted and decrypted .bin files from red cluster. Installed the new (was last left with dreaded DEF error from previous attempt) and tried to write the clean file cschuster made available, but it didn't take.

If I thought it would eventually work if I kept trying, I would. I think it's well and truly bricked, so I will probably end up sending it off to Speedo Solutions. :-(

Sent from the 7th Galaxy.
Are you writing to it in adapted mode?

[egovreau]

Are you writing to it in adapted mode?
That thought had occurred to me, and I thought I was, but I might try it one more time.

I'll start by setting to adapted mode, then try writing the encrypted bin file to it.

I do know that when I attempted to write to it before, I didn't receive any error messages.

Sent from the 7th Galaxy.

[ADCS]

I would read the PIN code from the 1.8t ecu and adapt the 2.7t ecu to accept the 1.8t pin code so your keys, cluster and ecu stay matched. I use k commander for reading the ecu pin codes and swapping ecus back and forth.

I tried both ways but could not get the cluster to accept the SKC from the 2.7t ECU. What worked was like you said, changing the 2.7t SKC/IMMO ID to match the B6. Keys work, IMMO works and the ECU displays the chassis VIN.

[ADCS]

That thought had occurred to me, and I thought I was, but I might try it one more time.

I'll start by setting to adapted mode, then try writing the encrypted bin file to it.

I do know that when I attempted to write to it before, I didn't receive any error messages.

Sent from the 7th Galaxy.

I found EEPROM Programmer extremely finicky. I almost always had to attempt a read or write operation a dozen times for it to finally take. I also couldn't get my VCDS cable to work with it so I used a boot mode galletto cable.

[egovreau]

I found EEPROM Programmer extremely finicky. I almost always had to attempt a read or write operation a dozen times for it to finally take. I also couldn't get my VCDS cable to work with it so I used a boot mode galletto cable.
I was able to read the Red cluster with no issues. Even got the SKC. I had a problem with using vagdashcan to do the switch, as outlined in the first post of this thread, so the 'new' cluster shows 'Def error'.

Sent from the 7th Galaxy.

[ShogunR32]

Guys I am buying an s4 cluster within the next few days. Anyone other then speed solutions that can adapt the cluster so I dont have to go to the dealer? I amnot sure how much this will cost me on top of the cost of the cluster.[=(]

[blitz2190]

Guys I am buying an s4 cluster within the next few days. Anyone other then speed solutions that can adapt the cluster so I dont have to go to the dealer? I amnot sure how much this will cost me on top of the cost of the cluster.[=(]

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/658776-Color-DIS-S4-cluster-into-red-DIS-car?p=11451530&viewfull=1#post11451530

[ShogunR32]

[headbang] Cant believe I missed that. I have the blue cable and vagcom lite. So it just a matter of swapping the cluster in the car and Tom adapts it remotely on my computer. Seems as easy as can be[:D]

[eljay]

Guys I am buying an s4 cluster within the next few days. Anyone other then speed solutions that can adapt the cluster so I dont have to go to the dealer? I amnot sure how much this will cost me on top of the cost of the cluster.[=(]
Pm sent

[rollerton]

Not sure what the fuss is about these swaps these days.

A hex-can cable and Vag-eeprommer / VCDS is all you need, rock solid...no glitches, takes maybe 10 minutes.

Don't want to take business away from Tom, but literally anyone can do this.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c168/zer0b0y/97864A8C-E2F0-4346-B4C9-80992131FC58_zpsevos2wmp.jpg

[egovreau]

Not sure what the fuss is about these swaps these days.

A hex-can cable and Vag-eeprommer / VCDS is all you need, rock solid...no glitches, takes maybe 10 minutes.

Don't want to take business away from Tom, but literally anyone can do this.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c168/zer0b0y/97864A8C-E2F0-4346-B4C9-80992131FC58_zpsevos2wmp.jpg
The fuss tends to start with using vagdashcan and having it go badly. Then trying to recover from it.

😞

Sent from the 7th Galaxy.

[Spike00513]

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c168/zer0b0y/97864A8C-E2F0-4346-B4C9-80992131FC58_zpsevos2wmp.jpg

I wouldn't know about other aspects like bright white needles since I haven't tried it

But the S4 emblem would drive me nuts.

It's not an S4.

___
If people are considering spending $300 to have somebody else do this for you, I don't see a big deal in DIY'ing to save that, and then dropping ~$80 on gauged.ca:
https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/skOlupTCSXOAOTiJW4HR

[ShogunR32]

So this is turning out to be a huge pain to get this b6 s4 cluster adapted to my car. I have left speedosolutions a few voicemails and no one has gotten back to me yet. I also tried reaching out to K0mpressed here on the forums but he said I need real vcds. Since I do not have the real full vcds I can not have someone remotely adapt it in my car. Im guessing I need to send out both clusters to someone but no one wants me to have an s4 cluster in my car[=(]

Nevermind,
Just got a hold of Tom from speedosolutions. I will be sending him my clusters tomorrow.[>_<]

[ShogunR32]

Tom at speedosolutions did mine. Sent him both clusters and he was able to clone them. Another happy customer!
https://s23.postimg.org/gbuf34dnf/20161222_180515.jpg

[MurkyRivers_A4]

Here is a Drive link with the program and Ross VCP drivers. Follow above post for procedure. There is also a backup file + quick recovery instruction for your new cluster in case you mess something up - it may or may not work for you, but its worth a shot. Cluster MUST be in adapted mode before writing encrypted recovery file. Anyone with the link can view/download.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B00qoS_xs8oZV1ZMaTJyYnlwaGs

I can't get the program to work when downloading the files from drive. Am I missing something?

[eljay]

I can't get the program to work when downloading the files from drive. Am I missing something?
Can you be more specific? The program does not start at all? Or you cannot connect to the car/cluster? Or something else?

[MurkyRivers_A4]

Can you be more specific? The program does not start at all? Or you cannot connect to the car/cluster? Or something else?
Program doesn't start at all.
"The program can't start because RT-USB.DLL is missing from your computer. Try reinstalling the program to fix this problem"

I have all the files downloaded, including the rt-usb.dll and have tried reinstalling multiple times. No luck.

[ADCS]

What OS?
Worked fine for me.

[MurkyRivers_A4]

What OS?
Worked fine for me.
Windows 10. I can use an older version but all the ones I tried didn't work.
XP
Vista
7
8

[MurkyRivers_A4]

Got the program to work but adapting isn't work. The cluster is showing safe, although I did all the steps perfectly and the cluster only goes into safe mode when I log in with VCDS.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170214/50140bb1c38ea1c657c41c6c9ac243f4.jpg
When I got to adapt channel 50, after logging in with the new cluster SKC, I go and enter the old cluster SKC and when I hit Test, it says malfunction.

What am I doing wrong?
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170214/784fa0059f103fb54a8e32c96a2f38f6.jpg

[MurkyRivers_A4]

Anyone? I'm thinking maybe it's because the ECU doesnt have an immobilizer but I can't imagine that stopping the cluster from being able to be coded correctly. I verified battery voltage and have 12.7V, so its not that.

I'm thinking of just getting a new immobilizer chip for the key fob and try adapting the key to the S4 cluster rather than trying to get the cluster to take my Immo ID.

Thoughts? My car wont start even if I put the old cluster in now.

[eljay]

Anyone? I'm thinking maybe it's because the ECU doesnt have an immobilizer but I can't imagine that stopping the cluster from being able to be coded correctly. I verified battery voltage and have 12.7V, so its not that.

I'm thinking of just getting a new immobilizer chip for the key fob and try adapting the key to the S4 cluster rather than trying to get the cluster to take my Immo ID.

Thoughts? My car wont start even if I put the old cluster in now.
So, you are not able to login into the new cluster with your SKC?

What mode did you leave the new cluster in before switching to VCDS?
In needs to be in Mode 4 New/Virgin before tou can adapt it with VCDS.
Reconnect VAG EEPRogrammer, set to virgin mode 4, then follow VCDS adaptation procedure.

The reason you have "SAFE" displayed in your cluster is because you need to match your keys to the new cluster before you can start the car using this process:
http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/Immobilizer_III_Key_Matching_(Cluster)

[eljay]

Also ensure that you are using the correct SKC to log into the new cluster. First you have to log into it with its old SKC and then adapt it to your old cluster's SKC. Using wrong one will put it into safe mode, which essentially means "incorrect password, try again".

[MurkyRivers_A4]

So, you are not able to login into the new cluster with your SKC?

What mode did you leave the new cluster in before switching to VCDS?
In needs to be in Mode 4 New/Virgin before tou can adapt it with VCDS.
Reconnect VAG EEPRogrammer, set to virgin mode 4, then follow VCDS adaptation procedure.

The reason you have "SAFE" displayed in your cluster is because you need to match your keys to the new cluster before you can start the car using this process:
http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/Immobilizer_III_Key_Matching_(Cluster)

This is what I did:
Original Cluster:
Read encrypted and saved .bin
mode 6 to 4
Read decrypted
Saved SKC
I did not put the original cluster back from 4 to 6 (should I have?)

Disconnected Battery

Removed old cluster

Installed New Cluster

Reconnected Battery

New Cluster:
Read encrypted
saved .bin file
Mode 6 to 4
read decrypted
saved SKC
Mode 4 to 6
Closed VAG EEPROM PROGRAMMER

Followed steps in VCDS for cloning

Entered new cluster SKC for login
Adaptation
Channel 50
Enter old cluster SKC
Test< THis is where I get the malfunction

So you are saying that I do not need to put the new cluster back into mode 6 from 4? Leave it in 4 and try to clone it in VCDS that way?


Also ensure that you are using the correct SKC to log into the new cluster. First you have to log into it with its old SKC and then adapt it to your old cluster's SKC. Using wrong one will put it into safe mode, which essentially means "incorrect password, try again".

[eljay]

This is what I did:
Original Cluster:
Read encrypted and saved .bin
mode 6 to 4
Read decrypted
Saved SKC
I did not put the original cluster back from 4 to 6 (should I have?)

Disconnected Battery

Removed old cluster

Installed New Cluster

Reconnected Battery

New Cluster:
Read encrypted
saved .bin file
Mode 6 to 4
read decrypted
saved SKC
Mode 4 to 6 <<-- leave the new cluster in Mode 4 here.
Closed VAG EEPROM PROGRAMMER

Followed steps in VCDS for cloning

Entered new cluster SKC for login
Adaptation
Channel 50
Enter old cluster SKC
Test< THis is where I get the malfunction

So you are saying that I do not need to put the new cluster back into mode 6 from 4? Leave it in 4 and try to clone it in VCDS that way?
Correct. Leave the cluster in the New/Virgin mode. It's the only way VCDS can adapt it. Once it's adapted via VCDS, it will be in adapted mode again.

[MurkyRivers_A4]

Correct. Leave the cluster in the New/Virgin mode. It's the only way VCDS can adapt it. Once it's adapted via VCDS, it will be in adapted mode again.

That goes against the DIY that Chuester made. I will try that and report back. Finger's crossed it works.

Worst case, since I dont have an immobilizer in the ECU, could I get a virgin Immo chip and code my key to the S4 cluster?

[eljay]

That goes against the DIY that Chuester made. I will try that and report back. Finger's crossed it works.

Worst case, since I dont have an immobilizer in the ECU, could I get a virgin Immo chip and code my key to the S4 cluster?
Yes, that step in his procedure should be corrected. To be fair, he has also mentioned (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/658776-Color-DIS-S4-cluster-into-red-DIS-car?p=11451530&viewfull=1#post11451530) that he had to try both methods. His DIY is excellent, so this is just a minor tweak.
I have used this DIY (but left the new cluster in virgin mode) to swap mine and Axis' clusters and it worked flawlessly. Do this first before you go hunting for immo chips etc. Let us know the results. Good luck.

[MurkyRivers_A4]

Yes, that step in his procedure should be corrected. To be fair, he has also mentioned (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/658776-Color-DIS-S4-cluster-into-red-DIS-car?p=11451530&viewfull=1#post11451530) that he had to try both methods. His DIY is excellent, so this is just a minor tweak.
I have used this DIY (but left the new cluster in virgin mode) to swap mine and Axis' clusters and it worked flawlessly. Do this first before you go hunting for immo chips etc. Let us know the results. Good luck.

Thanks mate. I will do that and report back. I appreciate you taking the time to respond.

[MurkyRivers_A4]

Yes, that step in his procedure should be corrected. To be fair, he has also mentioned (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/658776-Color-DIS-S4-cluster-into-red-DIS-car?p=11451530&viewfull=1#post11451530) that he had to try both methods. His DIY is excellent, so this is just a minor tweak.
I have used this DIY (but left the new cluster in virgin mode) to swap mine and Axis' clusters and it worked flawlessly. Do this first before you go hunting for immo chips etc. Let us know the results. Good luck.
No dice. Still get a malfunction even when the cluster is in new mode.

[MurkyRivers_A4]

I had a spare new key fob. Pulled the Immo chip, put it in my key fob, and adapted the key to the car. Works perfect now.

No matter what I did, I could not get the cluster to clone. Oh well. It works now and that's all that matters.

[daught]

I just replaced my cluster, thanks cschuster. I adapted mine is mode 6, like cschuster said and it worked no problem.

My original cluster read perfectly. The replacement cluster gave me some KW2000 error. I tried the same command a few times and it worked in the end. So keep trying if vag eeprom gives you some kw2000 error.

Also check the cable you are using is either COM port 1 or 2. Mine was on 3 initially , but it can be changed in device manager.

[eljay]

I had a spare new key fob. Pulled the Immo chip, put it in my key fob, and adapted the key to the car. Works perfect now.

No matter what I did, I could not get the cluster to clone. Oh well. It works now and that's all that matters.
Hmm, sorry to hear that. That's strange. The malfunction you're getting means that VCDS cannot write the new SKC to the cluster. That's why I suggested to switch modes to allow that. If that's not the case, I wonder if there's something with you VCDS configuration. Are/were you able to change values/adaptation in other modules without issues?

So, you are saying that you were able to adapt the new cluster after you put in a new immo chip into your key? Or are you back to your cluster just to keep the car running?

[MurkyRivers_A4]

Hmm, sorry to hear that. That's strange. The malfunction you're getting means that VCDS cannot write the new SKC to the cluster. That's why I suggested to switch modes to allow that. If that's not the case, I wonder if there's something with you VCDS configuration. Are/were you able to change values/adaptation in other modules without issues?

So, you are saying that you were able to adapt the new cluster after you put in a new immo chip into your key? Or are you back to your cluster just to keep the car running?
Yeah I can basically do everything else in VCDS and in everything else in Module 17- instruments except code the cluster. It's weird and in all my searching I couldn't find this error anywhere else.

I thought maybe I messed up in the process so I re-wrote the new cluster using the original encrypted .bin file I saved and started all over again. Still nothing. Did in mode 4 and mode 6 and still nothing.

I didn't feel like swapping back my old cluster because with the A3 steering wheel, the column needs to be dropped to get the cluster out, so I decided to see if I could just adapt a virgin key to the S4 cluster without cloning it to my old cluster.

Since I'm running a 2.7t engine and ECU without an immobilizer, the only real issue would be to get around the cluster immbolizer. Adapting a virgin key chip was the only way I could think to do that, and it worked. I did not bother cloning my original cluster after that since there was no need to. I guess the only downside would be that the cluster does not read my VIN, which I don't really care.

This will not work if you have an ECU with an immobilizer.

[MoparFreak69]

After a couple months of trying to recover from my screw up causing a DEF error and corrupted immobilizer data, I was able to successfully adapt this S4 cluster to my car. Correct VIN and IMMO ID so I didn't have to adapt anything else. I'm also Immobilizer disabled in the ECU due to an APB 2.7t swap.


http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc51/dartfreak68/B6%20A4%20Avant/29C70682-B547-445B-A6DB-C83004B62EF4.jpg

[egovreau]

After a couple months of trying to recover from my screw up causing a DEF error and corrupted immobilizer data, I was able to successfully adapt this S4 cluster to my car. Correct VIN and IMMO ID so I didn't have to adapt anything else. I'm also Immobilizer disabled in the ECU due to an APB 2.7t swap.


http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc51/dartfreak68/B6%20A4%20Avant/29C70682-B547-445B-A6DB-C83004B62EF4.jpg
How did you go about it?

Sent from the 7th Galaxy.

[MoparFreak69]

I ended up having to clone over my VIN and IMMO ID, adjust the mileage to 0, virginize an ECU, extract the SKC from the cluster and finally accept a key adaptation with a new transponder chip.

[cschuster]

Yeah I can basically do everything else in VCDS and in everything else in Module 17- instruments except code the cluster. It's weird and in all my searching I couldn't find this error anywhere else.

I thought maybe I messed up in the process so I re-wrote the new cluster using the original encrypted .bin file I saved and started all over again. Still nothing. Did in mode 4 and mode 6 and still nothing.

I didn't feel like swapping back my old cluster because with the A3 steering wheel, the column needs to be dropped to get the cluster out, so I decided to see if I could just adapt a virgin key to the S4 cluster without cloning it to my old cluster.

Since I'm running a 2.7t engine and ECU without an immobilizer, the only real issue would be to get around the cluster immbolizer. Adapting a virgin key chip was the only way I could think to do that, and it worked. I did not bother cloning my original cluster after that since there was no need to. I guess the only downside would be that the cluster does not read my VIN, which I don't really care.

This will not work if you have an ECU with an immobilizer.

Really late to this, but it sounds like the key wasn't paired correctly after you finished adapting the new cluster. The cluster will display SAFE, and then crank over a few times before shutting off if it doesn't detect the key. You need a key paired to it to get out of SAFE mode and run the car.

[asg1290]

So I have a weird situation. I bought an S4 cluster off of a 2005 B6 S4. The part is 8E0 920 981G RB8 which appears to be the correct part number besides the RB8. Everything i have read says that only RB4 should work yet the car it came from is living proof RB8 could work in a B6. Does anyone know what the deal is with this? I have the pin for the new cluster and it's supposedly in virgin state. I could attempt to adapt it but am I going down a painful road?

[asg1290]

So I have a weird situation. I bought an S4 cluster off of a 2005 B6 S4. The part is 8E0 920 981G RB8 which appears to be the correct part number besides the RB8. Everything i have read says that only RB4 should work yet the car it came from is living proof RB8 could work in a B6. Does anyone know what the deal is with this? I have the pin for the new cluster and it's supposedly in virgin state. I could attempt to adapt it but am I going down a painful road?

Did some more research on this and I guess in 2005 they switched to RB8's with immobilizer v3. Anyway I found a cheap RB4 and followed this guide to success on my 2004.
http://i.imgur.com/JkB5Io3.jpg
I'm going to try the S4 RB8 cluster on my 2005 since it already has a Red RB8 cluster in it. It appears that vag eeprom tool doesn't work with the RB8 but vag k+commander does.

[ApexIt]

Would anyone happen to know if this would work with an instrument cluster that was sold on a vehicle outside of the US (Canada for example)? I'm assuming it would be fine as long as the cluster is an RB4, correct?

[onceover]

Correct.

I successfully swapped a US cluster in to my Canadian A4

[ApexIt]

Correct.

I successfully swapped a US cluster in to my Canadian A4

Much appreciated. Thanks for the quick reply!

[ApexIt]

I'm looking to do a swap like this and have another question for you guys. Once I purchase a cluster, is there any way for me to test whether it works without plugging it into the car (i.e. DIS screen, lights, needles, etc)?

[asg1290]

I wouldn't know about other aspects like bright white needles since I haven't tried it

But the S4 emblem would drive me nuts.

It's not an S4.

___
If people are considering spending $300 to have somebody else do this for you, I don't see a big deal in DIY'ing to save that, and then dropping ~$80 on gauged.ca:
https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/skOlupTCSXOAOTiJW4HR

So I took your advice since the S4 emblem was annoying me.

http://i.imgur.com/MRlg7qV.jpg

But the new guage is for an A4 cluster and now the scale is off :/

So it appears you can transfer the scale and maps over somehow by editing the eeprom. I've found a few tidbits on how to do it but nothing complete. Does anyone have that information?

[Nollywood]

So I took your advice since the S4 emblem was annoying me.

http://i.imgur.com/MRlg7qV.jpg

But the new guage is for an A4 cluster and now the scale is off :/

So it appears you can transfer the scale and maps over somehow by editing the eeprom. I've found a few tidbits on how to do it but nothing complete. Does anyone have that information?

Is this from Ed Gauges? I thought he was no longer doing these, I'd be interested if he's resumed.

[asg1290]

Is this from Ed Gauges? I thought he was no longer doing these, I'd be interested if he's resumed.


Yup ordered it online
http://gauged.ca/gauge_order

If I were to do it again I would have gotten the B7 one since it matches the scale of the S4 cluster. If I figure out the eeprom hacking I'll post it here.

[rocket1420]

After trying these instruction, and getting tired of the No ECU Found... message, I finally made it to the end. Then I realized I have a RB8 cluster. The car was supposed to be a B6, but whatever. So now I'm trying to get the old cluster back to working. I left it in Mode 4 as per the instructions, so I assume I need to get it back to Mode 6? I tried the key adaptation process, but I get ERROR when I click Test. I assume this is because it's in Mode 4?

So now I'm just sitting here getting the No ECU Found message over and over, hoping it will go back into Mode 6.

EDIT AGAIN: So I restarted the laptop and got it back to Mode 6. Car starts and runs now. Phew. Has anyone come up with a way to adapt an RB8 cluster yet?

[egovreau]

After trying these instruction, and getting tired of the No ECU Found... message, I finally made it to the end. Then I realized I have a RB8 cluster. The car was supposed to be a B6, but whatever. So now I'm trying to get the old cluster back to working. I left it in Mode 4 as per the instructions, so I assume I need to get it back to Mode 6? I tried the key adaptation process, but I get ERROR when I click Test. I assume this is because it's in Mode 4?

So now I'm just sitting here getting the No ECU Found message over and over, hoping it will go back into Mode 6.

EDIT AGAIN: So I restarted the laptop and got it back to Mode 6. Car starts and runs now. Phew. Has anyone come up with a way to adapt an RB8 cluster yet?
As I understand it, some RB8 clusters were Immo 3, while others were Immo 4.

The B6 is Immo 3.

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[rocket1420]

As I understand it, some RB8 clusters were Immo 3, while others were Immo 4.

The B6 is Immo 3.

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Yeah I just read about that. Bummer. Local junkyard is supposed to have one cheap. I guess I know where I'll be going tomorrow.

[ApexIt]

Does anyone have any instructions on how to supply power to a cluster to test and make sure the screen and lights work? Would plugging it into the car be sufficient and not do any harm? Id prefer to find a way to test without having to plug it into the car if possible.

The idea here is to test it before buying the software and trying to code the cluster.

[eljay]

Does anyone have any instructions on how to supply power to a cluster to test and make sure the screen and lights work? Would plugging it into the car be sufficient and not do any harm? Id prefer to find a way to test without having to plug it into the car if possible.

The idea here is to test it before buying the software and trying to code the cluster.
Certainly possible. I don't have a good reference picture, so google 'Audi B6 cluster pinout' and I'm sure you'll see what pins you need to connect to supply power and to test things.

EDIT: Here you go (http://cars.forumsee.com/a/m/s/p12-13143-02602619--rb8-cluster-pinout.html)!

[rocket1420]

Does anyone have any instructions on how to supply power to a cluster to test and make sure the screen and lights work? Would plugging it into the car be sufficient and not do any harm? Id prefer to find a way to test without having to plug it into the car if possible.

The idea here is to test it before buying the software and trying to code the cluster.

Hooking it up is good enough, or the link eljay posted might work. That link seems to be for a RB8, but I had an RB8 and it worked fine except for the immobilizer, so I would guess the pins are the same. What software are you buying? Post 60 has the free software link. Or do you need to buy VCDS?

[ApexIt]

Certainly possible. I don't have a good reference picture, so google 'Audi B6 cluster pinout' and I'm sure you'll see what pins you need to connect to supply power and to test things.

EDIT: Here you go (http://cars.forumsee.com/a/m/s/p12-13143-02602619--rb8-cluster-pinout.html)!

Thanks for the link! Any tips on how to supply power to each pin?


Hooking it up is good enough, or the link eljay posted might work. That link seems to be for a RB8, but I had an RB8 and it worked fine except for the immobilizer, so I would guess the pins are the same. What software are you buying? Post 68 I believe has the free software link. Or do you need to buy VCDS?

I was under the impression that you had to purchase VAGDASHCAN, somehow I missed the post about EEPROM. Thanks for pointing it out! The instructions on how to use it didnt explicitly state how EEPROM is supposed to communicate with the cluster. Can the Vag Com cable be used with EEPROM or does EEPROM require another cable?

EDIT: I just re-read some of the previous posts. It appears there is a way to use the original Vag Com cable with EEPROM. The generic Vag Com cable found on ebay should work as well.

[eljay]

EDIT: I just re-read some of the previous posts. It appears there is a way to use the original Vag Com cable with EEPROM. The generic Vag Com cable found on ebay should work as well.
Correct.

I think it's much faster to just connect the cluster to the car and "light it up" then trying to build a bench solution for one time use and figure out pins etc. I've done both.
To remove cluster, it's 2 torx screws and it pulls out. It may display SAFE due to immo, but you will not be starting the car, just trying to see if the lights come on when you turn key to ACC ON if I understand your intent.
That said, just dive in with the swap. If things don't work, you will see when you connect the "new" cluster and then you can put the old one back in. If it works, you just proceed and you saved yourself the "test" time.

[ApexIt]

Correct.

I think it's much faster to just connect the cluster to the car and "light it up" then trying to build a bench solution for one time use and figure out pins etc. I've done both.
To remove cluster, it's 2 torx screws and it pulls out. It may display SAFE due to immo, but you will not be starting the car, just trying to see if the lights come on when you turn key to ACC ON if I understand your intent.
That said, just dive in with the swap. If things don't work, you will see when you connect the "new" cluster and then you can put the old one back in. If it works, you just proceed and you saved yourself the "test" time.

Thanks for the detailed response. I might go ahead and do as you suggested. My primary concern was bricking the original cluster and not having the car to get to work. If screwing up the original cluster isnt an easy task, then I might just jump straight into the deep end like you suggested.

[rocket1420]

Thanks for the detailed response. I might go ahead and do as you suggested. My primary concern was bricking the original cluster and not having the car to get to work. If screwing up the original cluster isnt an easy task, then I might just jump straight into the deep end like you suggested.

I had some trouble getting the EEPROM software to work. It would display No ECU found several times in a row until the command just worked. The only way (assuming you follow the directions) you would brick your original cluster is if you got it in Mode 4 and couldn't get it to go back into Mode 6. It took my awhile, but it did eventually go back into Mode 6.

[ApexIt]

I did my swap this past Monday and all seems to be working correctly aside from the gas gauge. I tried pulling the cluster and gas pump fuses like another member suggested but it didnt help. I also tried fiddling around with adaptation on Vag Com but that didnt quite work either. I tired changing the values on channel 30 as well as channel 33 but that didnt seem to work either. The values were accepted and I was able to save them but they didnt seem to have an effect on the gas gauge (I had just filled the tank so the gauge should have gone to full). The only thing I did not do is "Log In" using the cluster SKC before doing adaptation. Not sure if this is required but I would assume adaptation would not take the new values if logging in was required. Any suggestions?

EDIT: I was going some research and came across a thread here on AZ about Quattro and non-quattro gas tanks. Apparently the Quattro gas tank has two sensors and the non-Quattro has one. My car unfortunately isnt Quattro, so I'm beginning to think the issue might lie with the cluster expecting a signal from the other non-existent sensor. Any ideas on how to tell the cluster that im FWD and only need a signal from one sensor?

[rocket1420]

I did my swap this past Monday and all seems to be working correctly aside from the gas gauge. I tried pulling the cluster and gas pump fuses like another member suggested but it didnt help. I also tried fiddling around with adaptation on Vag Com but that didnt quite work either. I tired changing the values on channel 30 as well as channel 33 but that didnt seem to work either. The values were accepted and I was able to save them but they didnt seem to have an effect on the gas gauge (I had just filled the tank so the gauge should have gone to full). The only thing I did not do is "Log In" using the cluster SKC before doing adaptation. Not sure if this is required but I would assume adaptation would not take the new values if logging in was required. Any suggestions?

The car runs and drives otherwise?

[ApexIt]

It runs and drives without any issues. All other gauges check out as working correctly. FYI, I just edited my last post with some additional details.

[eljay]

I did my swap this past Monday and all seems to be working correctly aside from the gas gauge. I tried pulling the cluster and gas pump fuses like another member suggested but it didnt help. I also tried fiddling around with adaptation on Vag Com but that didnt quite work either. I tired changing the values on channel 30 as well as channel 33 but that didnt seem to work either. The values were accepted and I was able to save them but they didnt seem to have an effect on the gas gauge (I had just filled the tank so the gauge should have gone to full). The only thing I did not do is "Log In" using the cluster SKC before doing adaptation. Not sure if this is required but I would assume adaptation would not take the new values if logging in was required. Any suggestions?

EDIT: I was going some research and came across a thread here on AZ about Quattro and non-quattro gas tanks. Apparently the Quattro gas tank has two sensors and the non-Quattro has one. My car unfortunately isnt Quattro, so I'm beginning to think the issue might lie with the cluster expecting a signal from the other non-existent sensor. Any ideas on how to tell the cluster that im FWD and only need a signal from one sensor?
What does your DIS show for distance to empty? If it shows an expected value, it may be a mechanical issue with the gauge.
Also, try to disconnect and reconnect battery to reset everything.

[ApexIt]

What does your DIS show for distance to empty? If it shows an expected value, it may be a mechanical issue with the gauge.
Also, try to disconnect and reconnect battery to reset everything.

The gauge is currently showing just a little over 3/8th full (despite the fact the tank is at full capacity). The DIS is showing about 140 miles until empty. As I drive, the DIS updates the miles until empty (as expected) and the needle on the gauge seems to work as well. I tired disconnecting the batter earlier today for about 5 minutes but it didnt help.

Also, post #13 on this link (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/483098-help-on-fuel-level-gauge-(electrical-problems)) leads me to think I may need to recode....something (not sure yet).

Additionally, post #2 on this thread (http://forums.ross-tech.com/showthread.php?5125-Audi-A4-wrong-module-!-!) makes me think there is a way to adapt the cluster into knowing I am not Quattro.

[eljay]

The gauge is currently showing just a little over 3/8th full (despite the fact the tank is at full capacity). The DIS is showing about 140 miles until empty. As I drive, the DIS updates the miles until empty (as expected) and the needle on the gauge seems to work as well. I tired disconnecting the batter earlier today for about 5 minutes but it didnt help.

Also, post #13 on this link (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/483098-help-on-fuel-level-gauge-(electrical-problems)) leads me to think I may need to recode....something (not sure yet).

Additionally, post #2 on this thread (http://forums.ross-tech.com/showthread.php?5125-Audi-A4-wrong-module-!-!) makes me think there is a way to adapt the cluster into knowing I am not Quattro.
Hmm, it may be the 2nd fuel sender issue you mentioned earlier. First time I've heard about it.
According to Ross-Tech, there's no quattro-specific coding: https://www.ross-tech.com/vag-com/cars/audiB6.html

[ApexIt]

Hmm, it may be the 2nd fuel sender issue you mentioned earlier. First time I've heard about it.
According to Ross-Tech, there's no quattro-specific coding: https://www.ross-tech.com/vag-com/cars/audiB6.html

Is this what you are referencing when you say that there is no quattro-specific coding?


22-AWD – Not applicable to any A4/A6/A8!
The quattro system in these cars is purely mechanical, no electronics at all. This address is used by the Haldex system used in transverse-engine cars like the TT, the A3, and various Golf/Bora models.

If so, I dont think it quite matters. It is my understanding that Quattro equipped cars have a different gas tank as compared to their FWD counterparts. If this is the case and the Quattro gas tanks have two fuel senders as opposed to the one in the FWD tank, then one could assume there is a way to code the cluster to receive a signal from one sensor as opposed to two sensors.

Additionally, the Ross Tech wiki here (http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/Audi_A4_(8E)_Instrument_Cluster_(8EC/8ED/8HE)) seems to imply there is specific coding that can be done to vehicles equipped with Quattro. Here's a snipped that makes me believe that:


Channel 029: Tank Characteristic (Fuel Level Sensor 2)
Parallel shift of tank characteristic by +/- 32 Ohm. Only for Quattro models.

Standard Value: 128
Value Range: 96...160 (-8.0...+8.0 l)
Increments: 1 = 1 Ohm = 1/4 l

[ApexIt]

I've been looking on Ross Tech's wiki page and may have found something regarding the fuel tank issue. Here's what I found for the 17-Instrument Cluster module:


00??xx1: Options
+00 = 1. K-Number (Europe/USA/Rest of World)
+01 = Smaller Fuel Tank Volume (All-Wheel-Drive)
+02 = Seatbelt Warning (NAR old - up to 45/2004)
+04 = 3. K-Number (Rental Cars)
+08 = 2. K-Number (Australia)

This would imply that adding 01 on those bits would code the cluster to think its a smaller tank. Would decreasing this value by 01 have the effect of indicating a larger tank? Anyone here that has a FWD A4 willing to check what your value is?

[ApexIt]

Success! Editing the coding of the cluster seems to have resolved the issue, I am now showing a full tank of gas. Here's what I had to do:

1) Start up VAG-COM
2) Access the control module for the instrument cluster: 17 - Instruments
3) Select the option: Coding - 07
4) A new window will pop up. The first field in this new window will contain a 5 digit number. Setting the second digit of this number will indicate a larger fuel tank, i.e. a FWD drivetrain. Setting the second digit to 1 will indicate a smaller fuel tank, i.e. Quattro drivetrain.
5) Click "Do it!"

At this point the fuel gauge should adjust to the correct fuel level. The issue seems to have been that the cluster came from a Quattro S4 (im assuming all S4's are Quattro). Hence, the cluster was expecting a reading from two sensors that the smaller, quattro fuel tank contains. Since my car is a FWD, the tank is larger and only has one sensor and the cluster had to be coded to expect a result from one sensor, not two.

I deduced this was the issue through this wiki (http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/Audi_A4_(8E)_Instrument_Cluster_(8EC/8ED/8HE)#Adaptation) on Ross Tech. If the wiki is a little confusing, log into the coding portion of the instruments module and you will see a yellow message box with additional instructions on how to proceed that will be a little more clear.

On a separate note, if anyone wants to manually adjust the fuel gauge because its reading is off for whatever reason (maybe you installed an aftermarket gas tank for the race track?), you can find details on how to do that here (http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?3208286-DIY-Adjusting-the-displayed-fuel-gauge-level-with-a-VAG-COM).

In case the link goes dead in the future, I've taken the liberty to copy the instructions here for anyone looking at this in the future (I hate dead links on old threads...):


STEP 1 - CHECK THE INSTRUMENT CLUSTER FOR ANY INTERNAL ERRORS

1. Turn the car ignition on, but do not start it. Using the VAG-COM, go into the Instrument Cluster control module (-17-) and select OUTPUT TESTS (-03-).
2. Click on the START/NEXT button to initiate a sequence of tests. The first of these tests the sweep and calibration of the analog gauges. The needles for all four gauges (tach, speedo, coolant temp, fuel level) will drop to 0, sweep slowly all the way to their maximum, and then drop down to a calibration position. These positions are:
Tach - 3000 RPMs
Speedo - 62 MPH (100 KPH)
Coolant Temp - 190°F (90°C)
Fuel Level - 1/2 tank
The Bentley CD indicates that if any of these settings in incorrect, then there is an unrepairable error in the instrument cluster and it should be replaced. All of mine are good, except for the fuel level, which displays just under 1/2 tank. This is obviously part of the reason for my incorrect fuel reading, but I'm not going to pay for another cluster just to fix it. Instead, you can use the VAG-COM to fudge the displayed level.
3. Click the START/NEXT button to cycle through all of the remaining output tests. These tests will check the various warning lights, chimes and LCD displays in the cluster.
4. Keep clicking the START/NEXT button until END comes up, click it once more and then click EXIT to go back to the main menu for the Instrument Cluster control module.

STEP 2 - ADJUSTING THE DISPLAYED FUEL LEVEL
These steps are based on those given in the Bentley CD and are intended to be used after the fuel level sender has been replaced. The proper way to calibrate the fuel gauge to the new sender is to drain the fuel tank, add 7 liters (1.85 gal) of gas, which is the exact amount in the "reserve" tank, and then adjust the fuel gauge needle so that it coincides with the red "reserve" line on the fuel gauge. I wasn't about to go through this, so I filled up my tank and adjusted the needle so that it read full (or as close as I could get it). The VAG-COM allows you to adjust the position of the needle an amount equal to 2 liters of fuel in either direction (+/-) of it's normal factory setting. To do this, do the following:
1. Select ADAPTATION (-10-) on the main screen of the Instrument Cluster control module.
2. In the CHANNEL box, enter 30 and then click on READ. This will display the stored value for the fuel gauge calibration and normally should be 128. You may enter a value from 120 to 136. Each number corresponds to a 1 ohm adjustment of the fuel level sender output and corresponds to 1/4 of a liter. You can use the UP and DOWN buttons to adjust the number while you watch the gauge needle move. If you're doing it the proper way, then adjust the needle until it lines up perfectly with the red mark on the gauge. If you're doing it a different way, like I did, then adjust the needle until it sits where you want it to.
3. Click on SAVE. The new setting is now being used.
That's about it. If you mess something up and want to go back to the original setting, it's 128.

Hopefully this helps someone out in the future! Makes me wonder if I'm the only one with a FWD layout that has done this swap.....

[eljay]

Excellent!!
I learned something.
Thanks for the detailed contribution.

[ApexIt]

Excellent!!
I learned something.
Thanks for the detailed contribution.

No problem! I hope it helps someone down the line. Thanks for your input as well, much appreciated!


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[rocket1420]

This has certainly been a test of my patience. I finally got an RB4 cluster, but I can't get it to adapt. I can login to the new cluster, go to adaptation, and read channel 50. But when I put the old key xxxxx into the new value and click test, the left box displays System while the second box says Not OK. The other two say N/A. Anyone know what the problem might be?

[EuroxS4]

Rb4 cluster you have is used or brand new??post a picture of your issue and what software your using.IIRC rb4 has to be set to new mode in order to adapt to immobilizer.


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[rocket1420]

Rb4 cluster you have is used or brand new??post a picture of your issue and what software your using.IIRC rb4 has to be set to new mode in order to adapt to immobilizer.


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I followed post 60 like we all have.

[ApexIt]

I followed post 60 like we all have.

Post 60 is a little incorrect unfortunately. Specifically, step #6 under the new cluster instructions is incorrect. You should leave your new cluster is Mode 4 (do NOT switch it to Mode 6). I made the mistake of switching to mode 6 before switching to Vag Com and could not get cluster to update the SKC.

For reference, this is the step I am referencing. It should say LEAVE IN MODE 4 instead.



New Cluster
1: Disconnect battery, install.
2: Read encrypted .bin. Save as backup.
3: Put in mode 4 (virgin/new).
4: Read decrypted .bin. Write down SKC, using same method as above. For this example, we will use 02222.
5: Convert current mileage to km, enter it into the box in the lower right. Using the RB4 drop down menu, click Set Kilometers. Mileage is now set. If you are using km, obviously no conversion is needed.
6: Put back into mode 6. (Note: I first tried using virgin mode to adapt, but wasn't clear on the rest of the process and messed up. You can adapt using VCDS if you have both SKC's anyways)


On a side note, its beneficial to read through all of the posts from other users. Those posts helped me a lot when I ran into a few small issues.

[rocket1420]

Post 60 is a little incorrect unfortunately. Specifically, step #6 under the new cluster instructions is incorrect. You should leave your new cluster is Mode 4 (do NOT switch it to Mode 6). I made the mistake of switching to mode 6 before switching to Vag Com and could not get cluster to update the SKC.

For reference, this is the step I am referencing. It should say LEAVE IN MODE 4 instead.




On a side note, its beneficial to read through all of the posts from other users. Those posts helped me a lot when I ran into a few small issues.
Now that you say it, I do remember reading something about that. Thanks for the help. I'll try it when I get home.

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[Tony-A4B6RB4]

Thank you! It's taken me a month to find the info you listed above.
The wife says thanks too, she can have her computer back now 😜

Cheers
Tr

[EuroxS4]

I've only said something about that a few times but no one listens.Oh well.


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[egovreau]

I've only said something about that a few times but no one listens.Oh well.


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[jjvwg]

am i correct in thinking that if all i want to use VAG EEPROM 1.19 for is to get my SKC for key programming, that when i am done doing the first steps under old cluster instructions that I just put the cluster back in mode 6 and thats it? Was wanting to use vag commander 2.5 but not finding a copy that doesnt seem to contain viruses in the install .exe file

[sleuthnorange]

am i correct in thinking that if all i want to use VAG EEPROM 1.19 for is to get my SKC for key programming, that when i am done doing the first steps under old cluster instructions that I just put the cluster back in mode 6 and thats it? Was wanting to use vag commander 2.5 but not finding a copy that doesnt seem to contain viruses in the install .exe file

Did you ever get an answer to this?

[sleuthnorange]

For those that are using the Genuine Ross-tech cables with VAG EEPROM Programmer to access their clusters and are running into problems connecting to the ECU, try this:

In the Ross-tech software, in the connection settings, there is a box that is likely checked called 'Start up in Intelligent mode' or something to that effect. Uncheck that, test the connection settings and save them. Now open VAG EEPROM Programmer, attempt to connect to the Cluster (encrypted) and it should work.

I was constantly getting the error that it could not find the ECU until I changed these settings.

When you go back to VCDS, you can re-check the box.


I am having the issue with VAG EEPROM Programmer not finding ECU. I am using a genuine Ross-Tech Hex+Can cable. I tried the "VCDS intelligent mode box-unchecking" trick that you cited but I still can't connect. I know it has been some time since this post so I am wondering if the issue with Ross-Tech's newest drivers not working with VAG EEPROM Programmer. I am running Windows 10. Anyone else having this issue? Anyone get this to work recently?

[egovreau]

I am having the issue with VAG EEPROM Programmer not finding ECU. I am using a genuine Ross-Tech Hex+Can cable. I tried the "VCDS intelligent mode box-unchecking" trick that you cited but I still can't connect. I know it has been some time since this post so I am wondering if the issue with Ross-Tech's newest drivers not working with VAG EEPROM Programmer. I am running Windows 10. Anyone else having this issue? Anyone get this to work recently?I went old school and have an old laptop with Windows XP with no antivirus software. I had an issue with the AV software and/or Windows 10 seeing it as a virus.

If it doesn't connect with USB mode, you might try using COM1 or COM2. You may need to change the settings of the cable to COM 1 or 2 in the device manager.

I bought one of the generic Chinese VAG-COM cables to use work with VAG EEPROM Programmer.

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[daught]

Most vag-com funkyness I run in a freash winxp or win 10 ltsb in VMware.

[jjvwg]

Did you ever get an answer to this?

I did not. I ended up using vag k commander to get my SKC.

[sleuthnorange]

Most vag-com funkyness I run in a freash winxp or win 10 ltsb in VMware.

I am running Windows 10 in Parallels. I realized after some time last night that perhaps my issue was that I didn't install the Ross-Tech VCP drivers. I installed them through Device Manager and followed Ross-Tech's directions from their website. http://www.ross-tech.com/vag-com/usb/virtual-com-port.php You have to read their directions carefully to make sure you are doing it correctly. I finally got the drivers to install properly and to recognize my USB Hex+Can cable as a serial port device. By the time I got these things installed last night I never had a chance to go out to the garage and try reading the SKC again. I am planning to try it again tonight. I haven't even bought a S4 cluster yet because I want to make sure I can get the software to work before I attempt a swap. I'll report back to let you know if this solution worked.

[sleuthnorange]

I am running Windows 10 in Parallels. I realized after some time last night that perhaps my issue was that I didn't install the Ross-Tech VCP drivers. I installed them through Device Manager and followed Ross-Tech's directions from their website. http://www.ross-tech.com/vag-com/usb/virtual-com-port.php You have to read their directions carefully to make sure you are doing it correctly. I finally got the drivers to install properly and to recognize my USB Hex+Can cable as a serial port device. By the time I got these things installed last night I never had a chance to go out to the garage and try reading the SKC again. I am planning to try it again tonight. I haven't even bought a S4 cluster yet because I want to make sure I can get the software to work before I attempt a swap. I'll report back to let you know if this solution worked.

Okay, I went back to the garage and tried reading the SKC again tonight. The first try was with my Macbook Pro running Windows 10 in Paralells. Again, like last night, it did not work despite making changes with the drivers as I stated earlier. So I gave up and grabbed my old craptastic Lenovo running Windows 7 and gave that a try (first time I started the computer in like 4 months). It worked like a charm! I didn't even have to install the Ross-Tech VCP drivers like I thought I would have to. I just chose the USB option for port in VAG EEPROM Programmer 1.19. So if you are having issues with the, "ECU not found" error" and you are running Windows 10 in Parallels on a MacBook Pro, it probably won't work. Not sure if it is a Mac/Parallels issue or a Windows 10 issue but either way Windows 7 on a PC worked for me. I ran the program right from my downloads folder. There is no formal installation process necessary for VAG EEPROM Programmer to work if you download it from cschuster's Google Drive folder. Thanks cschuster for sharing!!!

[Natejo91]

Kind of a dumb question but I'm going to ask anyway:
When you adapt the S4 cluster to the A4, do you need new/virgin RFID chips to program your keys?
Or since you are putting the old (A4) cluster SKC into the new (S4) cluster, the old RFID chips work fine and you simply just adapt only the key remote?

[jonan]

Kind of a dumb question but I'm going to ask anyway:
When you adapt the S4 cluster to the A4, do you need new/virgin RFID chips to program your keys?
Or since you are putting the old (A4) cluster SKC into the new (S4) cluster, the old RFID chips work fine and you simply just adapt only the key remote?

nope, i'm still using the keys that came with the car...since the s4 cluster is cloned it will work with the key you currently have.

[Natejo91]

nope, i'm still using the keys that came with the car...since the s4 cluster is cloned it will work with the key you currently have.

Sweet, thanks!
Also, I read earlier in the thread that some people have to put in the code for their radio to get it out of safe mode after adapting the cluster.
Is that something I can pull from VCDS or do i need to contact AoA with my VIN and radio serial number or something?

[egovreau]

AoA should be able to tell you. It cannot be pulled with VCDS. If you need the SKU number, that can be pulled with VCDS if it's not on the side of the radio.

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[Natejo91]

AoA should be able to tell you. It cannot be pulled with VCDS. If you need the SKU number, that can be pulled with VCDS if it's not on the side of the radio.

Awesome, thank you!

Another question for you egovreau since you're here:
I am in the process of retrieving the SKC from my original cluster so I can program keys and perform a cluster swap: for the VAGEEPROM 1.19, I downloaded it from this link (http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=2121&page=6) and it was a weird file type (.rar or something) and when I extracted the files there was just an .exe file. Didn’t install anything, just ran the exe file. Does that sound right? Because I tried my VCDS cable and a Chinese/eBay cable and I couldn't get either to connect. I tried looking into your post #113 but my version of VCDS must be different because I don't have a "start up in intelligent mode" option to disable. I guess the latest release of VCDS (from a few weeks ago) doesn't have that option any more?
Or maybe VAG EEPROM isn't compatible with my Windows 10 or something?

[egovreau]

Awesome, thank you!

Another question for you egovreau since you're here:
I am in the process of retrieving the SKC from my original cluster so I can program keys and perform a cluster swap: for the VAGEEPROM 1.19, I downloaded it from this link (http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=2121&page=6) and it was a weird file type (.rar or something) and when I extracted the files there was just an .exe file. Didn’t install anything, just ran the exe file. Does that sound right? Because I tried my VCDS cable and a Chinese/eBay cable and I couldn't get either to connect. I tried looking into your post #113 but my version of VCDS must be different because I don't have a "start up in intelligent mode" option to disable. I guess the latest release of VCDS (from a few weeks ago) doesn't have that option any more?
Or maybe VAG EEPROM isn't compatible with my Windows 10 or something?

I'd have to look and see if the latest updates have turned off that feature, but it seems to be it was still there as of the at least the second to the last update. The Ross-tech cable, I believe, was able to connect via USB settings, the Chinese cable needed to be set up as a COM port.

I've not had good luck with VAG EEPROM Programmer on Windows 10 with Norton Security Suite, as it keeps trying to Quarantine it. I was lucky enough to have an old laptop running Windows XP which has worked for me without incident. I'm not running any Anti-virus software on it either.

I think other's have gotten it to work on Windows 10, but right off the top of my head, I don't remember who... (Early onset CRS - Can't remember sh*t).

[marto7]

Does somebody know if i can install color dis on my a4 with RB8 ? My car is A4 1.8T B7 from 2005 year and its Rb8.I want to install S4 dash with color dis.It is possible to install from S4 B6 RB4 ? Or i need only RB8 ?
Is it hard swap on RB8 ?

[ApexIt]

Just wanted to post this here for anyone looking to test a cluster in the future:

12V power needs to be supplied to pins 1, 2 and 3 on the green connector.
Ground needs to be supplies to pins 18 and 19 on the green connector.

[asg1290]

Does somebody know if i can install color dis on my a4 with RB8 ? My car is A4 1.8T B7 from 2005 year and its Rb8.I want to install S4 dash with color dis.It is possible to install from S4 B6 RB4 ? Or i need only RB8 ?
Is it hard swap on RB8 ?

RB8 vs RB4 isn't the issue. It's the immo 3 vs 4 that will get you a problem. B6 are immo3 and B7 are immo4. You can't use a B6 cluster in a B7 without disabling the immo. Find a B7 S4 cluster

[Gunnarrrrr]

Alright so, I'm a little bit stuck here.

I got all 4 .bin files backed up, retrieved both skc's, have the new cluster installed and set to new mode, and the mileage has been set.

I'm moving onto the adaptation part in vagcom now, and here's where I'm stuck:

basically I login with the new cluster's skc, go to read line 50, replace 32000 with the old cluster's skc, and hit test. The test output reads 32000, but I'm told not to worry. However, the save button is grayed out no matter what I do. Any ideas what might be causing this? I've restored the .bin from the encrypted backup and started over, I've tried in both mode 4 and 6, I've tryed with different mileage thinking it needs to be closer to zero (forgot where I read about it having to be less than 50 or something), and same result every time. [confused]

http://i68.tinypic.com/261lzzd.jpg

[Gunnarrrrr]

update, got the new cluster to now read the car's vin and immo id in the extra field, by hitting "test" with the new pin, and then changing the new value back to 32000, which allowed me to hit the save button. This also put the cluster back into mode 6.
But, after removing the key, and then reinserting it and turning the ignition back on, it shows SAFE in the odometer field.
Is this just because the keys haven't been adapted yet?
when I read channel 21 under the instrument cluster it still shows 4 keys

[Gosser]

It sounds like you just need to adapte your keys and your golden! The count of keys doesnt get wiped in the process. I'm in the mist of all this too, I managed to get the S4 cluster to match my ecu immo number, and I get the immo key light blinking. But no kms or SAFE mode is lit up, the screen doesnt come on. I think something is furbared with the cluster in the sense that some wiring is damaged. When I do the output test, the final test lights up all the digits/pixels in all the screens but it wont do it for this cluster... or Do S4 clusters have different output tests than A4?

[Nollywood]

As far as I’m aware, B6 A4 and S4 instrument clusters have the same output tests, and react similarly, depending on what options they have.

[Gunnarrrrr]

It sounds like you just need to adapte your keys and your golden! The count of keys doesnt get wiped in the process. I'm in the mist of all this too, I managed to get the S4 cluster to match my ecu immo number, and I get the immo key light blinking. But no kms or SAFE mode is lit up, the screen doesnt come one. I think something is furbared with the cluster in the sense that some wiring is damaged. When I do the output test, the final test lights up all the digits/pixels in all the screens but it wont do it for this cluster... or Do S4 clusters have different output tests than A4?What year car/cluster? All my output tests pass. Everything lights up, etc. I wouldn't know if my car starts or not though, the engines at a shop getting built atm. Just popped the ecu and harness back in so I could try to get this cluster going

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[Gunnarrrrr]

I'm gonna just go ahead and say your cluster is boofed


Update: adapted my keys and now everything works perfectly. now to find my radio codes to get this thing out of safe mode..

well, still haven't tried to start the car but I'd assume it would work

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[Gosser]

Mines from a 2004 S4. I never saw it on, so I dont know if it was busted to begin with, but I was told everything "worked". I also cannot determine if it starts the car because I have a transmission hanging on by the input shaft ;) which should be wrapped up this week. Actually, looking at the pictures from the tests on my A4:
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1971/31625640248_c39a0757b4_b.jpg
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1941/31625639828_3a0f5fba91_b.jpg
the screens are lit during all of the tests. my S4 none are. You think this is the definition of bricking a cluster?

[Gunnarrrrr]

Mines from a 2004 S4. I never saw it on, so I dont know if it was busted to begin with, but I was told everything "worked". I also cannot determine if it starts the car because I have a transmission hanging on by the input shaft ;) which should be wrapped up this week. Actually, looking at the pictures from the tests on my A4:
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1971/31625640248_c39a0757b4_b.jpg
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1941/31625639828_3a0f5fba91_b.jpg
the screens are lit during all of the tests. my S4 none are. You think this is the definition of bricking a cluster?Mines from an 05 s4. I can give you my encrypted .bin to try to flash, may or may not work. Make a backup of your own first

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[Gunnarrrrr]

You think this is the definition of bricking a cluster?

Also, you were still able to read the encrypted bin, switch to mode 4, read the decrypted bin, and set the mileage, all while it wasn't outputting anything?

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[Gosser]

Oh yea, read, encryt, to mode 4 read decrypt, then went to change milage, and it wasnt showing up so I tried anyways, and couldnt tell if it took. I managed to get the immo light cleared/paired to my keys. Then I thought, maybe I forgot something when I disassembled it, and sure enough, I forgot the two retaining housings that hold the milage and date screens in and those came online:
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1952/31633588308_41d7c169e6_b.jpg
and this is the output test that should show the color DIS all lit up:
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1913/31633588928_76c9341843_b.jpg

So I think it'll start, its just the screen might actually be whooped which blows. I'm going to mess around with it to see if something is loose with the screen.

[Gunnarrrrr]

So I think it'll start, its just the screen might actually be whooped which blows. I'm going to mess around with it to see if something is loose with the screen.

>swaps clusters to get a color display
>ends up with no display at all

[Gosser]

>swaps clusters to get a color display
>ends up with no display at all

lol I know right! at least the gauged gauges are pretty sick.

[Gosser]

Car starts and everything works with the exception of the DIS. I have a bead on a B7 A4 color cluster for cheap. Anyone know if the color screen from a B7 can be swapped in to a B6 S4 cluster?

[Charles.waite]

It’s highly likely is can be. Likely some fiddly soldering involved but they’re dimensionally the same...

[86turbodsl]

B6 and b7 are different. I don't know that dis is swappable in any event.

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[ApexIt]

Car starts and everything works with the exception of the DIS. I have a bead on a B7 A4 color cluster for cheap. Anyone know if the color screen from a B7 can be swapped in to a B6 S4 cluster?

I think I recall seeing threads in the past stating that just swapping the screens is not possible.


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[EuroxS4]

This is why I always say.If you dont have the right tools for the job,dont do it.Cryptomask clusters can get very expensive to repair!!!

[ApexIt]

This is why I always say.If you dont have the right tools for the job,dont do it.Cryptomask clusters can get very expensive to repair!!!

Is it even possible to break just the DIS screen when coding in the new S4 cluster? From what Ive read on this thread, you either get it all working on brick they entire cluster. Sounds to me like the cluster just had a bad DIS.

Gosser, did you test the S4 cluster before putting it in the car or starting coding?

[Gosser]

I didnt test it before putting it in. I didnt even notice that it didnt light up when I turned the key on and started programming. It wasnt until was going to reset the mileage to correct when I realized it wasnt up on the dash. Then notice hey the DIS isnt on either... Its way to late for me to go back to the ebay seller now, its been like 6 months.

I think it was just a bad purchase on my part, should have checked it the second it landed.

Looking at the screen though, there are no soldered connections. Its just a ribbon and a two wire connector. It would come out easy for sure, but the whole RB4 and RB8 thing makes me think otherwise.

Apex you got PM!

[EuroxS4]

Changing the screen is piece of cake just need to make sure you can line. Up the needles correctly when assembling.Also be careful pulling needles off.


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[Charles.waite]

You can’t just slap a color screen into a red screen cluster but I doubt the color screen has changed significantly between the b6 and b7 clusters. I would expect the color screen is interchangeable between the b6 and b7.

[ApexIt]

You can’t just slap a color screen into a red screen cluster but I doubt the color screen has changed significantly between the b6 and b7 clusters. I would expect the color screen is interchangeable between the b6 and b7.

I agree. For some reason I didnt consider a B7 to B7 screen swap in my initial response. People used to ask questions about swapping the B7 color screen into the B6 cluster as a cheap way to get a color DIS. After a while, I think the general consensus was that it wasnt possible. Color DIS screens were much harder to find for B6. If I remember correctly, only some late model 3.0 A4's came equipped with those.

[ApexIt]

I have a question for you guys as I am having an issue with my S4 cluster that I swapped out some time ago. About two weeks ago I was driving down the road and all of the sudden I had multiple warning lights illuminate (not on the DIS screen though). The ABS, ESP and BRAKE lights illumintated (BRAKE keeps flashing). Fortunately the car seems to be driving normally without any issues.

I decided to pull out VAG COM, do a scan, and clear any codes that came up. Unfortunately this didnt resolve the issue. I then proceeded to completely disconnect the batter from the car for about 20 minutes to try and do a hard reset, which didnt work either. I did another scan and clearing of codes after the battery reset to no avail. I have no idea whats causing the issue. Any thoughts on how to proceed?

I'm considering putting back the original cluster to return the car to its original state and trying to clear the codes that way. I'm sure I did the coding correctly to transfer the SKC and VIN to the new cluster but am worried that other coding (such as telephone, MFSW, etc) may be causing the issue. Can I just plug in the old cluster to test this theory and start the car or will I need to do any EEProm coding? Im assuming that since the SKC matches on both clusters I should be fine but wanted to confirm this theory first.

[egovreau]

I have a question for you guys as I am having an issue with my S4 cluster that I swapped out some time ago. About two weeks ago I was driving down the road and all of the sudden I had multiple warning lights illuminate (not on the DIS screen though). The ABS, ESP and BRAKE lights illumintated (BRAKE keeps flashing). Fortunately the car seems to be driving normally without any issues.

I decided to pull out VAG COM, do a scan, and clear any codes that came up. Unfortunately this didnt resolve the issue. I then proceeded to completely disconnect the batter from the car for about 20 minutes to try and do a hard reset, which didnt work either. I did another scan and clearing of codes after the battery reset to no avail. I have no idea whats causing the issue. Any thoughts on how to proceed?

I'm considering putting back the original cluster to return the car to its original state and trying to clear the codes that way. I'm sure I did the coding correctly to transfer the SKC and VIN to the new cluster but am worried that other coding (such as telephone, MFSW, etc) may be causing the issue. Can I just plug in the old cluster to test this theory and start the car or will I need to do any EEProm coding? Im assuming that since the SKC matches on both clusters I should be fine but wanted to confirm this theory first.You can swap your original cluster back without doing anything special. Just keep in mind your mileage will show what was on the car when you first swapped it out.

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[ApexIt]

You can swap your original cluster back without doing anything special. Just keep in mind your mileage will show what was on the car when you first swapped it out.

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Thanks for confirming my assumption. I'm not too worried about the mileage difference since my hope is that temporarily putting in the old cluster will allow me to fix any faults and then put the S4 cluster back in. I dont plan on driving the car in the mean time so mileage will remain accurate when switching back to the S4 cluster.

[egovreau]

Thanks for confirming my assumption. I'm not too worried about the mileage difference since my hope is that temporarily putting in the old cluster will allow me to fix any faults and then put the S4 cluster back in. I dont plan on driving the car in the mean time so mileage will remain accurate when switching back to the S4 cluster.The S4 cluster I had in my car just flat died. No lights, no immo, nothing. Error codes all over the place having to do with no communication with the cluster. Fortunately I hadn't yet sold my A4 cluster. Popped it in and all was right with the world.

Perhaps you could post the logs from your auto-scan. The problems you describe seem to point to the ABS controller. One thing I've learned about these controllers, they don't always fail all the way. I've had problems with CCMs where all the windows and door locks seem to work fine, yet I get an error when trying to program a remote. Swapped out the module and it all worked again.

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[ApexIt]

The S4 cluster I had in my car just flat died. No lights, no immo, nothing. Error codes all over the place having to do with no communication with the cluster. Fortunately I hadn't yet sold my A4 cluster. Popped it in and all was right with the world.

Perhaps you could post the logs from your auto-scan. The problems you describe seem to point to the ABS controller. One thing I've learned about these controllers, they don't always fail all the way. I've had problems with CCMs where all the windows and door locks seem to work fine, yet I get an error when trying to program a remote. Swapped out the module and it all worked again.

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I'll try and get another scan done tomorrow and report back with the logs. I dont recall seeing an errors in the ABS Brakes module but I'm not 100% certain.

The feeling I got was that something unrelated just sent the cluster for a loop and made all those lights turn on. Something similar used to happen intermittently in the past (pre-cluster swap) when I would turn my aftermarket HID lights on. All the warning lights would illuminate as soon as I turned the lights on (only occasionally though, not every time). Something about the HID ballast interfering with the ABS module. Either way, turning the car off and on would reset those lights and all would be normal.

On a side note, I found it interesting that unplugging the battery reset my time/date but did not reset my trip mileage.

[egovreau]

I'll try and get another scan done tomorrow and report back with the logs. I dont recall seeing an errors in the ABS Brakes module but I'm not 100% certain.

The feeling I got was that something unrelated just sent the cluster for a loop and made all those lights turn on. Something similar used to happen intermittently in the past (pre-cluster swap) when I would turn my aftermarket HID lights on. All the warning lights would illuminate as soon as I turned the lights on (only occasionally though, not every time). Something about the HID ballast interfering with the ABS module. Either way, turning the car off and on would reset those lights and all would be normal.

On a side note, I found it interesting that unplugging the battery reset my time/date but did not reset my trip mileage.

The Immobilizer and mileage are written into the EEPROM in the cluster. It's Read-only information that can be changed, but only by certain signals. So a dead battery won't erase the key information (making it impossible to start) or the mileage (to keep it accurate and prevent roll back by simply disconnecting the battery).

The clock isn't nearly as vital, so is stored in a less robust section of memory, and can be easily changed.

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[Charles.waite]

As I side note, I do always enjoy seeing the date the cluster was manufactured pop up when you kill power to the cluster.

[ApexIt]

The Immobilizer and mileage are written into the EEPROM in the cluster. It's Read-only information that can be changed, but only by certain signals. So a dead battery won't erase the key information (making it impossible to start) or the mileage (to keep it accurate and prevent roll back by simply disconnecting the battery).

The clock isn't nearly as vital, so is stored in a less robust section of memory, and can be easily changed.

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I think there is a misunderstanding. I understand why the immobilized and overall mileage are stored in the EEPROM. I was just surprised that the trip mileage (i.e. the mileage counter you can reset with a button on the cluster) didn’t get reset along with the date/time since not as vital as overall mileage. My E90 335D resets both of these when unplugging the battery and it makes it a bit annoying when trying to calculate and track mileage.


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[ApexIt]

As I side note, I do always enjoy seeing the date the cluster was manufactured pop up when you kill power to the cluster.

I had no idea that was the date of manufacture. I always assumed it was a default value.


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[fR3ZNO]

I’m looking to do this swap. I currently have a tuned ECU with immo off. So I shouldn’t have any issues with immo, I think. My only issue would be changing the odometer reading, I was hoping to do this all on the bench so I can just swap them in my car.

Might have to head over to nefmoto and read up some more. Lol

[MurkyRivers_A4]

I’m looking to do this swap. I currently have a tuned ECU with immo off. So I shouldn’t have any issues with immo, I think. My only issue would be changing the odometer reading, I was hoping to do this all on the bench so I can just swap them in my car.

Might have to head over to nefmoto and read up some more. LolI had the same setup with mine. I just coded a new immo chip to the cluster since it wasn't needed to pair to the ECU.

I downloaded vagdashcan (I think, I'll confirm later) and I used my VagCom cable in dumb mode. Was able to update my mileage without issue.

[fR3ZNO]

I had the same setup with mine. I just coded a new immo chip to the cluster since it wasn't needed to pair to the ECU.

I downloaded vagdashcan (I think, I'll confirm later) and I used my VagCom cable in dumb mode. Was able to update my mileage without issue.

Thanks for chiming in. Could you elaborate on coding a new immo chip? Do you mean the EEPROM for the cluster? Or the transponder on the key fob?

[MurkyRivers_A4]

Thanks for chiming in. Could you elaborate on coding a new immo chip? Do you mean the EEPROM for the cluster? Or the transponder on the key fob?I mean the immobilizer transponder in the key fob. You can either order a new one, which I had a hard time finding, or just order a replacement fob for $20 off ebay and make sure it comes with a new transponder. Then you program that as a "new key" and done. No need to worry about the ECU since its defeated.

[AudiOwner859]

Can you call me at 859-638-2016 thanks,






eBay Vag Dash Can software seems to be a crapshoot as to whether you get a good copy or not. There is a healthy chance of bricking the cluster, which this program cannot repair. I used a different program, Vag EEPROM Programmer 1.19, to get the SKC's and change mileage. Full VCDS can then adapt. I will outline this procedure very quickly - more detail/screenshots if there is interest. All of the RB4 cluster only stuff still applies, although the year doesn't matter at all. I took an '04 cluster and put it in my '02.

There are 2 kinds of cluster .bins that this program can work with, depending on the mode the cluster is in. In mode 6 (adapted), only encrypted .bins can be read/written. In mode 4 (new/virgin), only decrypted .bin files can be read/write. Mode 4 is also where you get SKC's and change mileage. Reading in the wrong mode will only result in a program error, whereas writing in the wrong mode can mess up the cluster. Don't worry, its fixable with a backup. Before starting, you may need your radio code. If you don't have it and continue, you may have to drive in silence until the radio can be unlocked out of safe mode. Here we go!

In VCDS, go into engine and write down IMMO ID. Go into instruments and do the same thing. Numbers will match. Ross tech explains this well.

Original Cluster
1: Open Vag EEPROM Programmer. For future steps, always use the RB4 dropdown list instead of the buttons. I don't know if they change depending on what mode the cluster is in.
1: Read encrypted cluster .bin file. Save file for backup. Label all .bins so you know what they are.
***If you somehow manage to brick the original cluster, put it in mode 6 (adapted) and write the backup encrypted file to it. It should go back to functioning normally. If it does not write the first time, try a few more times. Start over again.***
2: Put in mode 4 (virgin/new).
3: Read decrypted .bin. At the bottom it will display a 4 digit number (ex. 1111). Put a 0 in front of it, and this is your SKC (ex. 01111). This number will be adapted to the new cluster so it matches the ECU. Write it down. You are now done with the original cluster.

New Cluster
1: Disconnect battery, install.
2: Read encrypted .bin. Save as backup.
3: Put in mode 4 (virgin/new).
4: Read decrypted .bin. Write down SKC, using same method as above. For this example, we will use 02222.
5: Convert current mileage to km, enter it into the box in the lower right. Using the RB4 drop down menu, click Set Kilometers. Mileage is now set. If you are using km, obviously no conversion is needed.
6: Put back into mode 6. (Note: I first tried using virgin mode to adapt, but wasn't clear on the rest of the process and messed up. You can adapt using VCDS if you have both SKC's anyways)
7: Exit Vag EEPROM Programmer. Open VCDS. Ross Tech has an instruction and video on how to do this as well. This is just summarized from them.
8: Login to instruments using new cluster SKC (02222). Cluster is not adapted yet and still uses its own SKC.
9: Go to adapt. Read channel 50. Value should be 32000. In the test box, enter original SKC (01111). Click test, then save. Close controller, remove key from ignition for 1 min.
10: Turn key back on. Check IMMO ID of cluster and ECU. Both should match now. You will also see the new cluster's VIN to the right of the IMMO ID. If not, figure out where you went wrong.
***If you mess up bad enough to brick the cluster, simply put it back in mode 6 and write your new cluster encrypted backup .bin to it. Start over at step 1.***
11: Login to instruments using original SKC (01111). This will work now because the new cluster's SKC has been changed to the original SKC.
12: Follow Ross Tech's instructions to reprogram keys. Check instrument soft coding to make sure it is correct for your car.
13. Start car. My traction control and seatbelt lights were on, but turned off after a min. You may also have to enter the radio code to get it out of safe mode. Boom, enjoy!

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[kliton]

I have a B6 TDI 2004 that has a monocrome FIS, i got a used Color Fis from a 2004 TDI.

I read SKC of old cluster using vag eeprom prog 1.9, put new cluster in, read skc put the km of the car.
Using vcds i got loged in on 17 instruments using the old SKC, channel 50 of adaptations and on put the old pin 0**** but the vin and the immo code of the car doesnt transfer on the new tacho therefore i cant adapt keys.

any idea ?

[Gin+]

Turns out, if you replace your factory ECU with an IMMO’ed off ECU, the SKC matching process fails. I ended up having to attach my original ECU and the process went as described.

Now that I think about it, being the ECU was immo’d off (non matching vin or SKC) I wonder if I could’ve just matched the keys and been skipped the whole cluster SKC matching 🤔.

[A41.8TB6]

If your car have immo off. You can put any cluster there without having to vin match it. You dont even need to key match since no immo you can just start it. Just the immo light will be flashing.

I bought a handy ecu code reader that makes matching key so easy. Just need to plug it in press the key matching and how many keys then your done. First i though it wont work but it did multiple times so not only on my car.

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[Gin+]

If your car have immo off. You can put any cluster there without having to vin match it. You dont even need to key match since no immo you can just start it. Just the immo light will be flashing.



As well as no climate control and the flashing hazards.


I bought a handy ecu code reader that makes matching key so easy. Just need to plug it in press the key matching and how many keys then your done. First i though it wont work but it did multiple times so not only on my car.

My buddy has one of these as well. Works well.

[A41.8TB6]

As well as no climate control and the flashing hazards.



My buddy has one of these as well. Works well.I didnt pay attention to it when i help a friend do it. But thats very interesting thats all those are all related to the circuitry of the cluster and ecu. I guess u learn new stuff everyday. Gtk

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[Gosser]

My buddy has one of these as well. Works well.

Are these said devices expensive?

[A41.8TB6]

Are these said devices expensive?Its pretty cheap...i got mine like 3 yrs ago able to pull cluster pin and program a key to the immo in less than 3min

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