Raced a 335i msport

[S4audi15]

Raced my friends 2014 335i msport from a 60 roll and he beat me by 1/2 a car. I saw him gaining on the shifts (the bmw has a fast shifting zf 8 speed and redline is higher than my b8.5 s4). From a stop I beat him by 1-2 cars. I think I did pretty well from a roll considering his car weighs like 300lbs less. I'm happy with the results especially from a stop where our cars shine. I'll probably tune soon.


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[Usa]

Tune = win

[stactum]

are you MT or DSG?

[drew4392]

assuming MT, because DSG is no slouch compared to the BMW's auto

[levigarrett]

assuming MT, because DSG is no slouch compared to the BMW's auto

This! DSG is absolutely a faster shift than the zf(which is a great tranny, not knocking it).

[S4audi15]

This! DSG is absolutely a faster shift than the zf(which is a great tranny, not knocking it).

I'm dsg and I really don't think the transmission is faster than the zf to be honest. I drove my buddies 335 about 2 weeks ago and I think it shifted faster maybe it's just my imagination.. Both cars shift fast and I will say after driving both and owning the audi for 2 weeks i def like the audi more..


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[jimrobbington]

I'm assuming the bmw was rwd, otherwise, i think it would be no contest. Pretty surprised he beat you honestly. Was it really hot out? You should throw a few gallons of e85 in the mix and try again.

[jimrobbington]

I'm dsg and I really don't think the transmission is faster than the zf to be honest. I drove my buddies 335 about 2 weeks ago and I think it shifted faster maybe it's just my imagination.. Both cars shift fast and I will say after driving both and owning the audi for 2 weeks i def like the audi more..


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I wanted to want a 335 because they are cheaper, but the S4 feels more solid, and feels at least 5 years newer on the inside.

[q5 dave]

throw a few gallons of e85 in the mix and try again.
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Did this on my Q5 and put the GIAC tune in race mode. Holy crap its quick[drive]


I wanted to want a 335 because they are cheaper, but the S4 feels more solid, and feels at least 5 years newer on the inside.

Yup, both are sweet cars but you get what you pay for. Audi interiors are on a different level.

[Dr GP]

I wanted to want a 335 because they are cheaper, but the S4 feels more solid, and feels at least 5 years newer on the inside.

Even though it is 5 yrs older!

[txrngr]

i had a 2012 328i with the 8 speed transmission. it shifted fast AF.

[S4audi15]

I'm assuming the bmw was rwd, otherwise, i think it would be no contest. Pretty surprised he beat you honestly. Was it really hot out? You should throw a few gallons of e85 in the mix and try again.

The bmw was rwd and it was warm out but the car was fairly cool.. I can't just throw e85 in the car when its in stock form right? Lol prob doing the giac tune soon, I'm assuming after the tune if theres the ability to change maps I might be able to throw in some e85

[jimrobbington]

The bmw was rwd and it was warm out but the car was fairly cool.. I can't just throw e85 in the car when its in stock form right? Lol prob doing the giac tune soon, I'm assuming after the tune if theres the ability to change maps I might be able to throw in some e85
Yes sir u can! I run 3 gallons e85 mixed with a tank of 91 on my stock s4 with an intake. It performs better even in stock form. With just 91, i could feel the car get sluggish when it was in the 70s even. With the e85 mix, it was in the 90s yesterday and it still felt strong. Better performance, cheaper, and still averaging 18mpg city! Definitely try it out!

[S4audi15]

Yes sir u can! I run 3 gallons e85 mixed with a tank of 91 on my stock s4 with an intake. It performs better even in stock form. With just 91, i could feel the car get sluggish when it was in the 70s even. With the e85 mix, it was in the 90s yesterday and it still felt strong. Better performance, cheaper, and still averaging 18mpg city! Definitely try it out!

Really? Wow I'll have to give this a try.

[AudBoost]

Really? Wow I'll have to give this a try.

I run 3 to 4 gallons of E85 as well and I can definitely feel a difference in my car than just running straight 93. The guys from Solomotorsports posted they found that the ECU can compensate up to E30. You can use the link below to calculate the ethanol content to get the correct mixture. Also keep in mind that E85 is not always E85. Class 3 ethanol can be as low as E70. You may need to do some research and find out what class of ethanol is in your area during this time of year.

Use the bottom most graph labeled "Octane result from blending 2 fuels": http://www.intercepteft.com/calc.html

[b6onboost]

The ZF8 auto is no slouch. It shifts in about 200ms, which is exceedingly quick for a 'normal auto'. The S-Tronic may be faster, but not by much. I believe Audi conservatively claims 200ms. So maybe its in the 100-200ms range. Not a huge difference for a street car.

[q5 dave]

The ZF8 auto is no slouch. It shifts in about 200ms, which is exceedingly quick for a 'normal auto'. The S-Tronic may be faster, but not by much. I believe Audi conservatively claims 200ms. So maybe its in the 100-200ms range. Not a huge difference for a street car.
Not sure if this is a dumb question but Is the ZF8 trans the same thing in BMW and audi's? Or can it be tuned differently?

My ZF8 is quick, but I drove a DSG audi the other day and dam it's snappy[emoji106]

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[mr shickadance]

Not sure if this is a dumb question but Is the ZF8 trans the same thing in BMW and audi's? Or can it be tuned differently?

My ZF8 is quick, but I drove a DSG audi the other day and dam it's snappy[emoji106]

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the zf8 trans is different than a dsg in that the dsg is a dual clutch system and the zf8 is a a more typical standard auto transmission.

it's pretty insane how good the zf8 trans is but as others say, compared to a proper dual clutch it's not as quick, especially on the downshifts.

AWD typically always beats out RWD from a dig, but what surprised me is the 1/2 car on the roll, speaking based only on the cars metrics, the bmw should have had you by more given it's lighter and healthy amount of power

[blackfunk]

Not sure if this is a dumb question but Is the ZF8 trans the same thing in BMW and audi's? Or can it be tuned differently?

My ZF8 is quick, but I drove a DSG audi the other day and dam it's snappy[emoji106]

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Same transmission, but the tunning is very different. I've driven them back back many many times, but in the BMW and in the Audi and the ranking is in this order. My DSG with the update, and pretty closely the BMW ZF and a very distant third the Audi tune. The 1-2 shift in the Audi ZF is very lurchy compared to the BMW. It also holds top gear longer and does not utilize engine braking nearly as aggressively as the BMW.

I should also point out that I've only driven the Audi tune on 2.0 application so another application may be very different. I've driven the BMW ZF extensively in the X6 5.0, X3, X5, and 3 series.

[Sundowner]

the zf8 trans is different than a dsg in that the dsg is a dual clutch system and the zf8 is a a more typical standard auto transmission.

it's pretty insane how good the zf8 trans is but as others say, compared to a proper dual clutch it's not as quick, especially on the downshifts.

AWD typically always beats out RWD from a dig, but what surprised me is the 1/2 car on the roll, speaking based only on the cars metrics, the bmw should have had you by more given it's lighter and healthy amount of power

The lastest zf8 shifts in 200ms up or down and has the ability to skip gears. it's also insanely strong and spec'd stock in both the RS7 and the Mopar Hellcat cars/trucks.

DSG will upshift in 8ms and down shift in 600ms. I don't know if it can skip gears. I think the newer ones can. Yes, it's faster on the uptake, but you'll lose almost a 1/2 second on part throttle punch. more if you need to drop more than one gear. At the end of the day, what's a little bit slower, right?

[boss2k]

did the 335 have bmw performance kit?

[Frinkferta]

335i's are known for beating stock S4's from a roll. You got him at a dig and that's where we have our advantage!

[jimrobbington]

Really? Wow I'll have to give this a try.
Definitely do. It's hard to notice the improvement at first. Do what i did, run two back to back mix tanks, then follow up with a full tank of normal boring fuel. You will begin to see immediately where normal fuel is lacking. Car just feels more like it's supposed to.

[mr shickadance]

^isn't e85 particularly hard on your fuel lines/fuel pump?

[AudBoost]

^ Straight E85 yes. But pump gas is already E10 so you are not adding much more to get to ~E30. Where it becomes stressful on the fuel system, particularly the HPFP and LPFP, is at higher concentrations because E85 requires more flow.

[EBS4]

Surprised you lost at all...when motortrend compared S5 to the 435i the S5 dominated it whether from a roll or from launch.

NM

[mr shickadance]

Surprised you lost at all...when motortrend compared S5 to the 435i the S5 dominated it whether from a roll or from launch.

NM

those are two almost completely different cars



^ Straight E85 yes. But pump gas is already E10 so you are not adding much more to get to ~E30. Where it becomes stressful on the fuel system, particularly the HPFP and LPFP, is at higher concentrations because E85 requires more flow.

i thought it was the flow, and the fact that e85 is more corrosive than normal gas?

[blackfunk]

those are two almost completely different cars

Why completely different cars? To me they're practically identical.

[mr shickadance]

s4 to s5, the s4 is longer, more narrow, and sits higher, also I think it weighs more.

335 to 435 - 435 weighs more by 60lbs sits lower, is wider

again, not completely different cars but different

[jimrobbington]

^isn't e85 particularly hard on your fuel lines/fuel pump?
Biggest problem is volume. You cannot run pure e85 because your fuel pumps/injectors could not keep up. I haven't heard of a single valid report of rotting fuel lines or anything like that.

335 guys run 50/50 mix all the time. I plan on running my 3 gallon mix until winter.

[EBS4]

Shicka,

With all due respect the comparison is almost identical. The S5 weighs slightly more than the S4 and generally has slightly (negligibly) worse performance. If I'm not mistaken the weight difference between 435 and S5 is even more than between 335 and S5.

NM

[mr shickadance]

^^fair enough, they are pretty similar

[bpang1]

the zf8 trans is different than a dsg in that the dsg is a dual clutch system and the zf8 is a a more typical standard auto transmission.

it's pretty insane how good the zf8 trans is but as others say, compared to a proper dual clutch it's not as quick, especially on the downshifts.

AWD typically always beats out RWD from a dig, but what surprised me is the 1/2 car on the roll, speaking based only on the cars metrics, the bmw should have had you by more given it's lighter and healthy amount of power

I would also add that the ZF 8-speed is less jerky in traffic or when maneuvering while parking.

Also surprised the S4 lost by half a length from a roll...that is usually the type of race that AWD cars fair poorly in.

[z_curtis_s4]

How come no one is saying if he had a B8 instead of a B8.5 he would have won versus the 335. Isn't a B8.5 slower then a B8 stock?

[S4audi15]

did the 335 have bmw performance kit?
No it did not

Surprised you lost at all...when motortrend compared S5 to the 435i the S5 dominated it whether from a roll or from launch.

NM
Im not surprised. The 335 is underrated and fast from a roll in rwd form (weighs 300 lbs less than my car)

[S4audi15]

I would also add that the ZF 8-speed is less jerky in traffic or when maneuvering while parking.

Also surprised the S4 lost by half a length from a roll...that is usually the type of race that AWD cars fair poorly in.
Yes exactly I thought I was going to lose by more, time to tune and try it again.


the zf8 trans is different than a dsg in that the dsg is a dual clutch system and the zf8 is a a more typical standard auto transmission.

it's pretty insane how good the zf8 trans is but as others say, compared to a proper dual clutch it's not as quick, especially on the downshifts.

AWD typically always beats out RWD from a dig, but what surprised me is the 1/2 car on the roll, speaking based only on the cars metrics, the bmw should have had you by more given it's lighter and healthy amount of power
I agree I wasn't very confident to do the roll race but still wanted to see the outcome, s4 held its own from a roll!

[simplymuzik3]

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Did this on my Q5 and put the GIAC tune in race mode. Holy crap its quick[drive]



Yup, both are sweet cars but you get what you pay for. Audi interiors are on a different level.

Edit: I realize my question was answered. I need to try it! So is anyone else using the race mode tune with their e85 blend? I was under the impression that it's strictly made for 100 octane only.

Can you actually do that safely with e85? What's the process like? Mix some pure 91/93 with e85? What's the ratio?

I've never tried race mode with my GIAC tune yet since I don't have access to 100 octane.

[ENV²]

I wanted to want a 335 because they are cheaper, but the S4 feels more solid, and feels at least 5 years newer on the inside.

Cheaper? I went with the s4 because bmw wanted a ludicrous amount of money for the 335iS when I was shopping.

[jimrobbington]

Cheaper? I went with the s4 because bmw wanted a ludicrous amount of money for the 335iS when I was shopping.
Really? Lol. They were practically giving them away. $500 to lease a 2015 335ix msport just a couple months ago.

[ENV²]

Really? Lol. They were practically giving them away. $500 to lease a 2015 335ix msport just a couple months ago.

I was shopping at the end of 2010. Bought my 2011 S4 new after BMW wanted 62k for a 335iS M sport. I laughed and told them for 5k more I could be in an m3. Walked out.

[Sundowner]

Cheaper? I went with the s4 because bmw wanted a ludicrous amount of money for the 335iS when I was shopping.

BMWs are generally cheaper to lease than the competitive model of Audi. Audi's are generally cheaper to buy than the competitive model of BMW.
BMW tends to be far more aggressive on pricing adjustments, residual values and interest rates / money factors. There is a reason that BMW sells 5 of their 3/4 series cars for every 2 A4/S4's.

[BoostEasy]

Really? Lol. They were practically giving them away. $500 to lease a 2015 335ix msport just a couple months ago.

The 335is were a limited run car, not unlike the 1M, so BMW never offered the lease residuals, money factor and discounts that are common on just about every other BMW.

When I was looking at buying my S5 or an E92 M3, there was a 335is in the showroom which I asked about for grins. The salesperson basically said he could get me into the M3 for about the same price/month on a lease.

As you said, 335s now can be had in the $500-$550/mo range, which is around what my two 335s cost me. Leasing Audis is painfully more unless you get a crazy deal to lower cap cost.

[shoe3k]

BMWs are generally cheaper to lease than the competitive model of Audi. Audi's are generally cheaper to buy than the competitive model of BMW.
BMW tends to be far more aggressive on pricing adjustments, residual values and interest rates / money factors. There is a reason that BMW sells 5 of their 3/4 series cars for every 2 A4/S4's.

They also let customers do balloon financing, which allows people who can't afford these cars to have a cheaper monthly payment but screws them at the end of the loan term because the majority cannot afford the lump sum.

[doug97gxe]

They also let customers do balloon financing, which allows people who can't afford these cars to have a cheaper monthly payment but screws them at the end of the loan term because the majority cannot afford the lump sum due at the end.

also there are two gimmicks i see running lately to get people to "afford" BMW's .. first i saw was BMW doing leases for 320i for $199/month .. lets people say yes i have a brand new BMW .. next i saw was a pyramid scheme called you should be here which allows people to lease any BMW they want for free by selling Vacations .. you have to keep selling to keep the car.. if you stop then the payment is back on y ou

[jimrobbington]

The 335is were a limited run car, not unlike the 1M, so BMW never offered the lease residuals, money factor and discounts that are common on just about every other BMW.

When I was looking at buying my S5 or an E92 M3, there was a 335is in the showroom which I asked about for grins. The salesperson basically said he could get me into the M3 for about the same price/month on a lease.

As you said, 335s now can be had in the $500-$550/mo range, which is around what my two 335s cost me. Leasing Audis is painfully more unless you get a crazy deal to lower cap cost.
Not only is audi lease more expensive, bmw allows 10k miles a year, which is acceptable, but the audi lease was only 7k miles a year.

[ENV²]

Not only is audi lease more expensive, bmw allows 10k miles a year, which is acceptable, but the audi lease was only 7k miles a year.

7k miles??? WTF. I have never seen under 10k miles here in NY. Usually 12k miles a year.

[doug97gxe]

7k if ur looking for an R8.. Everything else is 10/12/15k


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[jimrobbington]

7k if ur looking for an R8.. Everything else is 10/12/15k


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Hmm, couple months ago, all i saw was 7k for an s4

[doug97gxe]

Hmm, couple months ago, all i saw was 7k for an s4

This is from the audi USA site

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