S-Tronic Regrets?

[mnboarder1]

Hey guys.

I will do a "build/progress thread" for my car when I get time to get all of the pics loaded onto my computer.

Long story short I sell at Audi Minneapolis and I decided when I first started I would get an S4 so here I am with my S4 (details in sig)

Now 2 weeks down the road I am having some very slight regrets going with the S-Tronic mainly because Audi makes them SO easy to drive and it creates a totally different dynamic in the car. I love my car and the technology of the S-Tronic but who knows.... maybe I would regret going with the 6MT with my commute using the car as a daily and miss the technology of the S-Tronic.



So who all on here regrets their S-Tronic even slightly???

Thanks! [:D]

[Ek9max]

I've had mine for about a month now and I haven' t missed Manual at all yet.

If somebody were to offer me to take a drive in their 6MT, of course I would. But I can say with confidence that I don't prefer one over the other.

[BJYorko]

Audi Minneapolis is where I got my car from a week ago! Seth is a friend of mine and it's the second car I've bought from him in the past couple of years.

[brianc21]

Same here but back in November.

[will13k7]

drove a manual for 15 years before getting the DSG, I could shift real quickly, no regrets though, don't miss manual, as long as their are dual clutch transmissions I'll never go back.

[jmeenach]

My roommate's WRX is a manual (they all are, right?) and I trade off between driving his car and mine every day (he has a suspended license so I drive us both to work everyday). It's fun when you have a good road to push hard, but in the day-to-day, with traffic, stop signs, pedestrians, etc., I'm over driving a stick. It might be worse for me than it is for others since I'm in LA, but I would honestly go with the DSG if I were to pick up an S4 today. And honestly, with the paddles on the steering wheel, I still almost feel every bit as engaged while driving as I would with a manual. [drive]

[RickFLS4]

No regrets.

[mgaman]

I'll freely admit I miss the fun of a manual on a good road, and the general "direct engagement" feel of rowing my own, but not enough to make me not prefer the DSG.

To and from work I'm in heavy traffic because I work downtown. Don't miss the manual there.
Cruising the coast on a sunny weekend? Don't miss it there, on a manual I'd hit top gear and stay there for the most part too, so no loss.

Twisty mountain road? Okay, I'd love the manual there, but I feel I'm having easily 90% as much fun with the burping paddles in dynamic mode. So if the trade off is I miss the manual 10% of the time I'm solid.

[levigarrett]

No regrets. Not on this car at least. If I were buying a 2 door sports car, then I'd certainly want 6mt.

[Frinkferta]

I think I would enjoy a manual on a weekend car, not a commuter.

[jlaudio]

I'll be the oddball out here... I always prefer 6MT and I sit in traffic every day and live downtown. The 6mt in the s4 is so easy to drive(if not the easiest manual to drive due to rev matching and the fact you don't have to apply gas in 1st) i don't find it a problem at all.

[Maitre Absolut]

No regrets. Not on this car at least. If I were buying a 2 door sports car, then I'd certainly want 6mt.

exactly

in 3800lbs daily driver, S tronic all the way

for a sub 3000lbs 2 seat weekend toy, MT it is

[TagonS4]

I miss driving a stick and was looking into buying a '15 S4 but I remembered those times when I am feeling sleepy or may have had some to drink from a party and that my wife doesn't drive stick, so I went for a DCT. There is nothing like driving a stick. I, just like you have had no problems driving a stick even in traffic conditions.

[Gusman1]

No regrets, love the S-tronic.
Don't miss my 6-speed GLI one bit.

[BAHNSTORMER]

No regrets at all, even after driving a manual from 1979 to 2012 (33 years for the math challenged [;)][:D]).

[CrownSeven]

No regrets - I bought a 6mt :)

Test drove a DSG model first which was OK. Then drove the 6MT AND I HAD TO HAVE IT.

[jygesq]

No regrets, have driven MT car exclusively since 1968, LOVE the stronic, no concerns about missed shift, sliding back, ect. Just give it gas and it goes! And it farts as well.

[MerkurRS]

I don't regret buying the DSG- but I often wonder why I didn't at least drive a MT car- [confused] - but love my DSG car

[carysb7478]

Had a B6 S4 mt for 10 years and don't miss a thing about it. Well except maybe that V8 growl

[Dragoncub]

I don't have regrets buying the DGS, but I do miss the manual once in a while.

[mnboarder1]

Audi Minneapolis is where I got my car from a week ago! Seth is a friend of mine and it's the second car I've bought from him in the past couple of years.

Nice! I bet you're loving yours! Seth is great to work with

[mnboarder1]

I'm thinking of adding an E36 M3 to the fleet again to fill the void [:)]

[saxon]

the dsg is part of the reason i switched away from my s4.... it makes it too "easy" to drive and takes away some of the fun of the car

the sad part is the stock clutch for the 6spd cant hold stage 2 tune very well..

[Sudz]

i decided to go with the auto in the S4 when I sold my BMW 135 with a 6MT. I loved the interaction with the a manual transmission in my car and I do miss it. It's really cool to pop gears with the DSG but downshifting into the correct gear with a manual transmission just feels old school, and I like that. Maybe it's not as fast but you know that you are in control.

[4RCFED]

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[B8Addict]

I'll chime in here as I have a 6mt and have driven the DSG S4 many times. What I can say is that personally I enjoy the DSG very much although it is less involving I still feel like I am in control. I love how instant the shifts are. If there is a manual option on the S4 I will choose it as rowing through the gears definitely puts a smile on my face(especially perfect rev match downshifts). The 6mt isn't terrible to drive in traffic and during stop-and-go the ecu will apply throttle as you let go off the clutch, convenient for sure.

TL;DR

Both are fun, try both if you can and make your decision.

Ray

[Luna's S4]

No regrets. DSG works for me. I do not disagree with a manual being fun.

[Jean-F]

No regrets whatsoever. I hesitated for 5 weeks between manual and Stronic - but the traffic over the last 2 months has been horrendous - and my S-tronic is perfect. Sure a manual out potentially be more fun 10% of the time, but it would be hell 90% of the time.

whatever works for you.

[lexcruiser]

I've been strictly driving manual for the last 10+ years.. My work commute goes through some of the worst traffic and road conditions in the U.S. (NJ Turnpike, Jersey City, NYC) and I STILL would not want the S-Tronic... [:D]

[Esahc301]

I've been strictly driving manual for the last 10+ years.. My work commute goes through some of the worst traffic and road conditions in the U.S. (NJ Turnpike, Jersey City, NYC) and I STILL would not want the S-Tronic... [:D]

[drive][up]


Either way, congrats OP!

[sangaroo]

OP: do you regret getting S-tronic?
Some readers: I have manual and I'd never get S-tronic!

LOL.. Let's talk about digression.


I do not regret getting S-tronic.

[A4 Joe]

After driving manual cars for years in Los Angeles I finally gave up. DSG is perfect mate to the 3.0 and sport diff. If I loved in a more open region maybe the 6mt. DGS has a lot of flexibility.

[Ek9max]

I do find that the 6MT guys are a bit more stubborn with accepting the DSG. But DSG guys can appreciate both.

Always had Manuals until this car. I do like Manual, but I like DSG also. I'd say that manual can be SLIGHTLY more fun. But DSG is just slighty better for eveyrthing else.

[doug97gxe]

they will never admit it.. you're wasting ur time asking

[doug97gxe]

i decided to go with the auto in the S4 when I sold my BMW 135 with a 6MT. I loved the interaction with the a manual transmission in my car and I do miss it. It's really cool to pop gears with the DSG but downshifting into the correct gear with a manual transmission just feels old school, and I like that. Maybe it's not as fast but you know that you are in control.

the manual is faster than the DSG .. despite what this forum wants you to believe


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRM-N-kfIDY

[BMAudi]

I do find that the 6MT guys are a bit more stubborn with accepting the DSG. But DSG guys can appreciate both.

Always had Manuals until this car. I do like Manual, but I like DSG also. I'd say that manual can be SLIGHTLY more fun. But DSG is just slighty better for eveyrthing else.

Agree. Plus the sound of the DSG. No Regrets

[Ek9max]

the manual is faster than the DSG .. despite what this forum wants you to believe


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRM-N-kfIDY

Why are they faster? Weight?

[doug97gxe]

Why are they faster? Weight?

I'm assuming gearing and weight


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[MrFunk]

I've driven several DSG S4's... I'd be bored with it after a week.
Manual transmissions connect you more with the driving experience both physically & mentally. FACT. If you are doubting your decision I'm willing to bet it is going to eat at you... there are a few people here who bought the DSG and traded in on a MT because they regretted the decision...
Any drivers car for me must be a manual...
Get whatever you are happy with... at least we still have the choice... B9's most likely won't be the fact.

[4RingRook]

Have and love DSG. I don't get tripped up in the manual v DSG nonsense.

https://imgflip.com/readImage?iid=8666232

[saxon]

the manual is faster than the DSG .. despite what this forum wants you to believe


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRM-N-kfIDY

thats funny.... how come the fastest b8/8.5 s4 is a dsg?

[doug97gxe]

thats funny.... how come the fastest b8/8.5 s4 is a dsg?

Easier to launch and prob shorter gears? But it looks like from a roll the manual has it


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[SteveYem]

If you are in a very high traffic area, go with DSG.
That being said, keep in mind that in the near future you won't really have a choice on a new car, so exercise your right to choose while you still can.

[saxon]

Easier to launch and prob shorter gears? But it looks like from a roll the manual has it


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if we are talking about fastest, most would claim the 1/4 is the best indicator and at this point i havent seen a 6 speed manual trap 120mph or run an 11.5

[doug97gxe]

if we are talking about fastest, most would claim the 1/4 is the best indicator and at this point i havent seen a 6 speed manual trap 120mph or run an 11.5

The highest 1/4 trap cars are also running more than ur standard tune and I/E as well


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[theswoleguy]

the manual is faster than the DSG .. despite what this forum wants you to believe


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRM-N-kfIDY

This was an old video and with APR's new tune should no longer be the case. The reasoning behind this video and for the longest is the 6 Man is allowed to rev higher than the DSG. The 6 man can go to 7200 where the stronic only went to around 6900. The b8.5 stronic got shortened even more down to like 6400 rpms vs 7200 so of course the 6man will be faster. Even in those videos the stronic holds it's own for quite some time and clearly shows they are neck and neck until the short shift on the auto. The videos redone with the new software I bet will show a completely different outcome.

[doug97gxe]

This was an old video and with APR's new tune should no longer be the case. The reasoning behind this video and for the longest is the 6 Man is allowed to rev higher than the DSG. The 6 man can go to 7200 where the dsg did not. The b8.5 stronic got shortened even more down to like 6400 rpms vs 7200 so of course the 6man will be faster. Even in those videos the stronic holds it's own for quite some time. The videos redone with hte new software I bet will show a completely different outcome.

they are both B8's though and both on old tune

[RudyH]

thats funny.... how come the fastest b8/8.5 s4 is a dsg?

because most drivers suck...me included. Now I run the fastest possible 1/4 mile possible (errr more so when I get the APR TCU upgrade) with the least driver error

Do I regret it? Yes 5% of the time, however 95% of the time commuting I love my S-tronic

[jygesq]

This was an old video and with APR's new tune should no longer be the case. The reasoning behind this video and for the longest is the 6 Man is allowed to rev higher than the DSG. The 6 man can go to 7200 where the stronic only went to around 6900. The b8.5 stronic got shortened even more down to like 6400 rpms vs 7200 so of course the 6man will be faster. Even in those videos the stronic holds it's own for quite some time and clearly shows they are neck and neck until the short shift on the auto. The videos redone with the new software I bet will show a completely different outcome. what about untuned cars? Motorweek in it video review said Stronic was faster 0-60 & 1/4 mile

[theswoleguy]

0-60 is gonna be close I'd edge to stronic. It's hard and takes practice to launch a 6man awd car where the stronic will nail it everytime. 1/4 mile stock v stock I'm going to lean onto the 6man bc it revs out.

[lancer3k]

I had the same dilemma about a couple of weeks ago... kept going back and forth between the DSG and 6MT given that I sit in rush hour traffic for at least 45 minutes everyday. Posted on here, sought opinions, and decided on 6MT... 2016 S4 on order. Can't wait!

[Mr.Tan]

i slightly regret it for the fact that it can be such a temper mental transmission. If i could do it all over again, i'd probably have either gotten a 6-MT or just a totally different car all together.

[Vogz]

thats funny.... how come the fastest b8/8.5 s4 is a dsg?

The launching ability and the fact that any asshat can drive a DSG fast. It takes skill to drive a manual fast. Much larger sample size of DSG cars that drive perfectly almost every time. You said it yourself, the DSG makes the S4 boring.

[Motown_Dub]

I'll chime in. I've got some regrets owning the DSG. Now San Antonio traffic can be hellish and DSG makes life so much better, but I drove a manual from 1989-2014 and really miss the driver involvement.

[TLB]

I had 2013 S4 DSG. Perfect shifts, super fast. Just floor it and forget it.
But....I felt like playing computer games.
Don't get me wrong. DSG is an amazing transmission ( I never called it automatic) but now I am in 2014 S4 6MT and couldn't be happier.
It depends what you are looking for. All this arguing which transmission is better makes no sense.

[GrkA4]

I'll chime in. I've got some regrets owning the DSG. Now San Antonio traffic can be hellish and DSG makes life so much better, but I drove a manual from 1989-2014 and really miss the driver involvement.

The S-Tronic drives poorly in traffic. Between trying to get to 7th gear as fast as possible and the clunkiness of 1st/2nd gear it's a bad experience. I don't regret buying it but I do wish it were better in traffic. Anyone else have the issue on upshifts WoT where it's jerky? God I hope my mechatronics unit isn't going...

[sangaroo]

The S-Tronic drives poorly in traffic. Between trying to get to 7th gear as fast as possible and the clunkiness of 1st/2nd gear it's a bad experience. I don't regret buying it but I do wish it were better in traffic. Anyone else have the issue on upshifts WoT where it's jerky? God I hope my mechatronics unit isn't going...

I also had 2-1 shift jerk when I led the car downshift for me. Only way I can avoid jerkiness was manually downshift at 1100 - 1200 rpm. But all these inconvenience were gone after rear diff mount installation. I can hear faint noise during automated 2-1 downshift (I drive w/o music 99% of time), but no noticeable movement is felt.

[The Fat Kid]

I also had 2-1 shift jerk when I led the car downshift for me. Only way I can avoid jerkiness was manually downshift at 1100 - 1200 rpm. But all these inconvenience were gone after rear diff mount installation. I can hear faint noise during automated 2-1 downshift (I drive w/o music 99% of time), but no noticeable movement is felt.

Interesting... Did you also occasionally get jerky 1-2 shifts?

I might have to look into the diff mount.

[shoe3k]

The stronic in my 2015 has been great. I love manuals, but I love the stronic just as much. I'm not sure why the DSG is getting so much hate because it is an amazing transmission and works very well. It works flawlessly in dynamic mode and comfort mode.


The S-Tronic drives poorly in traffic. Between trying to get to 7th gear as fast as possible and the clunkiness of 1st/2nd gear it's a bad experience. I don't regret buying it but I do wish it were better in traffic. Anyone else have the issue on upshifts WoT where it's jerky? God I hope my mechatronics unit isn't going...

That is strange because it works very well in traffic and doesn't matter if it is in dynamic or comfort. Honestly, I always keep it in dynamic because it is much more responsive in traffic. To me, it sounds like there might be an issue with yours, especially if it is giving such a bad experience in traffic.

[GrkA4]

The stronic in my 2015 has been great. I love manuals, but I love the stronic just as much. I'm not sure why the DSG is getting so much hate because it is an amazing transmission and works very well. It works flawlessly in dynamic mode and comfort mode.



That is strange because it works very well in traffic and doesn't matter if it is in dynamic or comfort. Honestly, I always keep it in dynamic because it is much more responsive in traffic. To me, it sounds like there might be an issue with yours, especially if it is giving such a bad experience in those conditions.

There could just be a lot of improvements between MY11 and MY15. Need to find a local Philly person and go for a drive in their car.

[sangaroo]

Interesting... Did you also occasionally get jerky 1-2 shifts?

I might have to look into the diff mount.

Only when I WOT, but rarely happens. It's different than 2-1 tho. It's more like tranny takes 0.2 seconds extra to shift up to 2 from 1 at WOT and I lose acceleration briefly. It just makes me feel like I'm driving manual for that short time.

[sangaroo]

The S-Tronic drives poorly in traffic. Between trying to get to 7th gear as fast as possible and the clunkiness of 1st/2nd gear it's a bad experience. I don't regret buying it but I do wish it were better in traffic. Anyone else have the issue on upshifts WoT where it's jerky? God I hope my mechatronics unit isn't going...

Mine get slightly jerky 1-2 on WOT only once in a while. It's been doing that for at least 2.5-3 years. Nothing else happened so far.

[bhvrdr]

I have owned a lot of MT cars including 4 MT audis. I've owned a sliptronic Audi and now the DSG as well. My dedicated track car is still a MT car.

That said the Stronic is awesome IMO. I have the 2015 MY car and dont get any jerkiness. The only thing I would improve on it is to get full manual control in manual mode and not have auto upshift and downshifting.

I have an IS350 and one of the reasons I bought my S4 is because I just didnt like the auto tranny in the IS. It isnt particularly quick in its shifting and it isnt in the right gear very often. The S4 is night and day in its shifting. I'm still gaga over this tranny after 3 months of ownership. I have to say I may even start looking for DCT cars to replace my track car some day if cars that I would like ever come out with it. Likely there wont be a MT option in years to come anyways.

The MT cars are fun and I wont try and say one is better than the other but I definitely dont have any regrets on getting the DSG. I'm still enamored by it.

Mike

[Fobia]

i have driven manuals most of my life.. i have to say i don't mind this s tronic at all..

[shoe3k]

I have owned a lot of MT cars including 4 MT audis. I've owned a sliptronic Audi and now the DSG as well. My dedicated track car is still a MT car.

That said the Stronic is awesome IMO. I have the 2015 MY car and dont get any jerkiness. The only thing I would improve on it is to get full manual control in manual mode and not have auto upshift and downshifting.



For me, I've never had it downshift automatically in manual mode. At redline it does autoshift but that is it when in manual mode.

[Brother Owl]

Get whatever you are happy with...

Exactly. Nothing against DSG but when I test drove I noticed some weird quirks and control(or lack of?) issues that may have since been ironed out.
Or it might have just been the subconscious fear of a machine apocalypse and the beginning of our slavery by autonomous vehicles ala Maximum Overdrive lol


at least we still have the choice... B9's most likely won't be the fact.

Everytime I think of automakers phasing out the manual transmission a little bit of me dies on the inside [=(]

[Motown_Dub]

The S-Tronic drives poorly in traffic. Between trying to get to 7th gear as fast as possible and the clunkiness of 1st/2nd gear it's a bad experience. I don't regret buying it but I do wish it were better in traffic. Anyone else have the issue on upshifts WoT where it's jerky? God I hope my mechatronics unit isn't going...

B8.5 DSG is smooth as butta in traffic. None of the issues you're referring to.

[kasher_khan]

I miss the manual :( The DSG is gr8 but it can get boring after a while. I rarely shift using the paddles. It is great as a DD tranny but when i really want to enjoy the car, I do miss the mannual.

[BP11]

Coming from a 2012 GTI with the 6MT I definitely do miss it on occasion, however at times I really enjoy the mindlessness of the s tronic when sitting in traffic. IMO the s tronic box is better suited to the personality of the S4.

[GrkA4]

B8.5 DSG is smooth as butta in traffic. None of the issues you're referring to.

Ugh...

Next time I get maintenance done I'll have the mechanic take a look. I can reproduce the issue pretty easily. I'll try changing to dyanmic and comfort and see where that gets me.

[b8audis4]

Normal 6am driving to and from, I don't miss it at all. I enjoy the convenience. On a nice summer day when I want to drive, I miss it. Not sure how I would order next time.

[Habber]

Been driving MT for 24 years and never once have I regretted driving one regardless of traffic living in the city.

[Thumper3]

Not a single second of regret, it's one of the best designed transmissions available outside of a Porsche or an Indy car.

Drove manuals for decades because of the performance and the control. Transmission is all about speed and control......being able to put the car at the power band you want when you want it. Automatics do not give you that ability.

But then, the DSGs are NOT automatics, they are manual gearboxes with computer controls........and the amount of control and speed they offer vastly out performs the traditional manual. Of course if you drive the car in D or S you lose this control though you retain the speed, but why would you drive the car in D? It's like buying a V8 and then going under the hood and pulling two coil packs out.

A simple application of logic (not feelings and out dated opinions) shows that a Dual Clutch outperforms a manual in every aspect.

Two identical cars (remove the difference in rev range artificially bestowed on the DSG), one with a Dual Clutch capable of changing up gears in 8 MILLIseconds, and down changes in 600 milliseconds......the other with a traditional manual and a driver who thinks he's Mario Andretti cause he can use his left foot and right hand at the same time......and MAYBE change gears in around 1 second (and maybe gets screwed up and misses 3rd now and a again). It's a simple fact of physics that the car with engine and trans connected longer will be faster. No amount of name calling, foot stamping, or whining will change the laws of the universe unfortunately. Not to mention the benefit of keeping both hands on the wheel when powering out of a turn before plowing into another tight turn.

I didn't buy a performance car to have it hung up on old technology and tripping over it's own tail. [>_<]

If you are making a decision on how to buy a car based on traffic ease, you're buying the wrong car. Why buy a $60k performance sedan if you're just going to commute in it? Buy a car for how it drives when you drive it for real, and then just deal with how it drives when you're doing the boring commute. LOL

[bhvrdr]

Not a single second of regret, it's one of the best designed transmissions available outside of a Porsche or an Indy car.

Drove manuals for decades because of the performance and the control. Transmission is all about speed and control......being able to put the car at the power band you want when you want it. Automatics do not give you that ability.

But then, the DSGs are NOT automatics, they are manual gearboxes with computer controls........and the amount of control and speed they offer vastly out performs the traditional manual. Of course if you drive the car in D or S you lose this control though you retain the speed, but why would you drive the car in D? It's like buying a V8 and then going under the hood and pulling two coil packs out.

A simple application of logic (not feelings and out dated opinions) shows that a Dual Clutch outperforms a manual in every aspect.

Two identical cars (remove the difference in rev range artificially bestowed on the DSG), one with a Dual Clutch capable of changing up gears in 8 MILLIseconds, and down changes in 600 milliseconds......the other with a traditional manual and a driver who thinks he's Mario Andretti cause he can use his left foot and right hand at the same time......and MAYBE change gears in around 1 second (and maybe gets screwed up and misses 3rd now and a again). It's a simple fact of physics that the car with engine and trans connected longer will be faster. No amount of name calling, foot stamping, or whining will change the laws of the universe unfortunately. Not to mention the benefit of keeping both hands on the wheel when powering out of a turn before plowing into another tight turn.

I didn't buy a performance car to have it hung up on old technology and tripping over it's own tail. [>_<]

If you are making a decision on how to buy a car based on traffic ease, you're buying the wrong car. Why buy a $60k performance sedan if you're just going to commute in it? Buy a car for how it drives when you drive it for real, and then just deal with how it drives when you're doing the boring commute. LOL

That was really well stated IMO. I have to say if I were to pick which transmission I would rather have on the road course, my MT in the track car or the DSG in the S4 it would actually be the DSG.

Let me explain. There are some turns that could be taken in second gear in my track car but if I downshift that low It only gives me about 2k rpm of rev band before the limiter before I have to do eventually 2 more upshifts for the straight. Now if I leave the car in 3rd for the corner, I end up sacrificing a bit of gear torque I could have gained by dropping it down to second. Its pretty hard on the tranny to drop it down to second though, often times there is a bit of a grind. Its just not perfect either way.

With the DSG any of those issues are eliminated. You can have it in the exact right powerband by a click of the paddle and you never have to worry about perfect rev matches so as not to shock the drivetain or upset the chassis. Its just a more advanced technology just like auto rev matching is more advanced on the nissan manual trannys. I absolutely agree that the MT is more nostalgic and also provides more "interaction" with the car and the DSG can be "boring" but its funny that journalists and pro drivers said the same about Quattro...that it makes the car so easy to drive around the track it is almost boring. I dont see it that way. Like the GT-R, I see it as just very competent.

Mike

[JMUNFORD]

I went to dealer today to drive DSG And here's my take .. First off I do own a 6MT but was thinking about switching over to a b8.5 and getting the Stronic .. So my review lighting fast shifts the DSG fart sounds better in the car then it does outside .. Very smooth but besides that I didn't like .. The car felt like it really didn't know what gear it should be in in auto mode and when in sport mode you still don't have full control like for example on the freeway when I don't shifted from 6-4 the floor it the car would still drop to 3 WITHOUT me telling it to!! I hated that because if I'm in manual mode I won't control I don't want the car to think for me .. I felt like I was driving a computer that was pretending to let me drive! It just left me wanting more ... I'm not bias Either I so wanted to like the DSG it was my first time driving one and I was ready to cross over but after driving it for me personally it didn't impress me .. I don't drag my car so the couple tenths faster 0-60 I'm not worried about and can car less about trap speeds... I know it's "better" technology but it's not what it's hyped up to be IMO

[mdeneso]

I do regret getting the DSG, but that is mainly because I drive it a lot less than I was expecting when I purchased it. It is definately nice to have when I get stuck in traffic but that doesnt happen often. I miss the control and feeling of rowing through the gears I had in my past vehicles. Only reason I purchased the DSG was because my wife will not drive a MT[headbang]. The DSG is an amazing transmission just not my preference.

[kap09]

I owned nothing but manuals for 12 years until trading my 2013 6MT in for my 2014 DSG. I occasionally get the itch to row gears, but this trans does a really good job an takes nothing away from the fun of the car for me.

[truethat72]

All my cars since I was 16 were manual until I got the S4 last year. I have to say I do miss the stick shift connection with the car but I had to get something my wife can drive (she does not know how to drive manual). My goal is to buy another car (preferably TTRS) which only comes in a manual for the U.S. market.


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[Fourcircle]

Just picked up a 15 with stronic. It is butter smooth and lightening quick mated with the 3.0. The manual is fun to drive, but for everyday uses it is too much work IMO.

One big argument for the manual, however, is the cost savings. The stronic costs $1400 more on a new build, but it also gets 1 mpg better in fuel economy. Doing rough math, it takes the stronic driver 200,000 miles of driving before he saves enough at the pump to get his $1,400 back. So, the manual version is truly the more economic choice.


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[jygesq]

You certainly do not buy an S4 for economy. The Stronic car is so much quieter and so easy to drive. The shifts are lightning quick, the action of a manual clutch w/o the hassle. Each to his /her own.