EPL B8 Product Updates and Development!

[Tony@EPL]

Hi all, just wanted to start a thread as a place holder to keep you guys up to date on what we are working on for the B8/B8.5 platform.

We will post periodically about upcoming releases and offerings and also use this thread as a consolidated post for EPL info.

-3/24/15 - Video of DL501 Transmission completer flashing.
-3/24/15 - Customer Review of Home Flashing Process.
-3/24/15 - Independent Stage 1 Flash 1/4 Mile Testing.
-3/24/15 -Independent 1/8 Mile Testing VS another Stage 2 package.
-3/31/15 - ECU Identification Function added to flash loader. VagCom no longer necessary to determine ecu type.
-3/31/15 - At home flashing for most 8.5 cars complete.
-4/1/15 - Launch control available for 2010 cars available at no additional charge.
-4/8/15 - Independent Stage 1 dyno results post #106
-4/16/15 - Tuning Support added for most pulleys
-4/16/15 - Flash license transfer information posted
-9/9/15 - All stage 1 and 2 - files are e85 compatible up to a 20% mix - If you haven't done the v1.1 updates this is suggested for e85 mixing.
-9/9/15 - Water/Meth File for B8.5 Updated
-10/12/15 - Cooling system specific files for early ECU's
-10/12/15 - Water injection files for Q7
-10/27/15 - Additional DSG Files released
-12/1/15 - Additional DSG Files released
-12/2/15 - Additional DSG Files released
-12/2/15 8K0907551D Stage 1 v1.2 updated
-12/8/15 8K0907551D Stage 2 v1.2 updated
-1/26/16 - Links to independent dyno results
-1/26/16- Links to current stage 2 - 1/4 mile record thread
-1/29/16 - 8K0907551D - E85 File Available
-2/10/16 - 8K5907551F Stage 1 - E85 File Available
-3/17/16 - Large update released here Here (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/642964-EPL-B8-Product-Updates-and-Development!?p=11479467&viewfull=1#post11479467)
-3/17/16 8K0907551D Stage 1 E85 File update

[Tony@EPL]

At home DL501 Transmission Tuning Flash Preview


https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153118210014774&video_source=pages_finch_main_video

[Tony@EPL]

Customer Review of Home Flashing Process

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/636441-Epl-stage-2-with-cts-turbo-pulley?p=10532033&viewfull=1#post10532033

[Tony@EPL]

Independent Stage 1 Flash 1/4 Mile Testing


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py81T5BR4SY

[Chris@EPL]

Here's some independent 1/8 mile testing vs another stage 2 package on the same track and same day.

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/642791-epl-stage-2-1-8th-mile-time

[6mt.sauce]

I'm located in Milford, CT...Always heard great things. Just recently purchased a B8 S4 and plan on coming by soon.

[Tony@EPL]

I'm located in Milford, CT...Always heard great things. Just recently purchased a B8 S4 and plan on coming by soon.

Stop by anytime!

[UberBrute]

When using the flash at home system, is a copy of the file from the car stored somewhere? So that if I were to flash back to stock, am I putting the same exact stuff back onto the car that was there before the tune is flashed onto the car? I hope question makes sense hah.. I guess what I am getting at is, when someone flashes back to the oem stock map using your at home flashing system, are they flashing a generic file back onto the car or the specific one that was on the car before the epl tune was flashed? My apologies if this is a noob question. Thanks!

PS: any idea when the B8.5 stuff will be ready?

[Segaman2002]

When using the flash at home system, is a copy of the file from the car stored somewhere? So that if I were to flash back to stock, am I putting the same exact stuff back onto the car that was there before the tune is flashed onto the car? I hope question makes sense hah.. I guess what I am getting at is, when someone flashes back to the oem stock map using your at home flashing system, are they flashing a generic file back onto the car or the specific one that was on the car before the epl tune was flashed? My apologies if this is a noob question. Thanks!

PS: any idea when the B8.5 stuff will be ready?

I also want to know this.
Ie. is the stock file that you can flash "back" to the actual stock image, or a "stock-like" image?
Will hooking it up at a dealer set off any alert that the chip was modded before?

Also are the images for stage 1 and stage 2 the same? With hardware being the only difference?

[derek.kritz]

I also want to know this.
Ie. is the stock file that you can flash "back" to the actual stock image, or a "stock-like" image?
Will hooking it up at a dealer set off any alert that the chip was modded before?

Also are the images for stage 1 and stage 2 the same? With hardware being the only difference?

U flash back to the OE file. Not a look a like. That being said, they can still detect your tune if they dig around in the ECU hard enough. And the CTS pully is silver. Dead giveaway. If they offer the same deal as the b8 tune (stage 2 for $850, pully and all) for the 8.5, it would be a no brainer. The tune is fantastic and the company is one of the best I've felt with. I'm REAL happy with it.


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[saxon]

care to elaborate what exactly your dsg flash does?

glad to see you are finally getting around to finishing this all up

[MNS4]

Loving my stage 2 EPL tune!

[Tuned4Rings]

Once it is available for the B8.5 how would I be able to purchase seeing the EPL website has not been working for awhile now?

[Tony@EPL]

ECU Identification Function added to flash loader. VagCom no longer necessary to determine ecu type. DTC scan and low level logging to follow.

http://eplabs.net/pub/ecu_id.jpg

[bhvrdr]

Will there be a way you can reset the flash counter when flashing back to the stock file?

Thanks,
Mike

[Shaman]

That's great. Please let us know when:

- the flashloader will work on my 2014 B8.5
- likewise, the DSG tune will work for my B8.5

Also,

- if you have any advice for an installer for the pulley in Canada
- if I also get a Stage 1 tune so I can tune and update to Stage 2 later

[Tony@EPL]

Will there be a way you can reset the flash counter when flashing back to the stock file?

Thanks,
Mike

This is noted as an enhancement that will be added, but doesn't appear to be a huge issue. The current white papers I have that note the TD1 flag actually make no mention of the flash counter, only of a CRC checksum test. Again from the limited data I have seen the flash counter would need to be review manually if it were going to pose an issue. (Disclaimer I currently do not know this for fact, but do have some documentation that eludes to this being the case).

[Tony@EPL]

That's great. Please let us know when:

- the flashloader will work on my 2014 B8.5
- likewise, the DSG tune will work for my B8.5

Also,

- if you have any advice for an installer for the pulley in Canada
- if I also get a Stage 1 tune so I can tune and update to Stage 2 later

2014 S4 can be flashed today. 8.5 dsg tuning has begun but is not complete, currently no eta beyond "soon". Yes, you can purchase the stage 1 flash with a later upgrade.

[RynoS4]

How can i arrange to purchase a B8.5 tune? just tried to go to your webiste and its under construction.

thanks
Ryon

[Tony@EPL]

How can i arrange to purchase a B8.5 tune? just tried to go to your webiste and its under construction.

thanks
Ryon

Phone number, email address and facebook link are all in my signature. [email protected] also works!

[Whitee]

Very interested, sent and email @Tony

[RynoS4]

emailed! thanks

[bhvrdr]

This is noted as an enhancement that will be added, but doesn't appear to be a huge issue. The current white papers I have that note the TD1 flag actually make no mention of the flash counter, only of a CRC checksum test. Again from the limited data I have seen the flash counter would need to be review manually if it were going to pose an issue. (Disclaimer I currently do not know this for fact, but do have some documentation that eludes to this being the case).

Thanks for responding and i'm happy it is on your radar. Can you please keep us up to date if this enhancement is added.

Mike

[UberBrute]

Hi Tony,

Any word on my question above, about the stock file going back onto the car or just an "oem like" file?

Thanks!

[Tony@EPL]

Hi Tony,

Any word on my question above, about the stock file going back onto the car or just an "oem like" file?

Thanks!

It is an OEM file. This is very different then switching to a "stock" type mode.

[Shaman]

email sent.

[CinciKid]

Can you give us some details on what the DSG tune changes?

[BP11]

2014 S4 can be flashed today. 8.5 dsg tuning has begun but is not complete, currently no eta beyond "soon". Yes, you can purchase the stage 1 flash with a later upgrade.

Why is the later upgrade more expensive than going stage 2 right off the bat?

[UnstableOS]

It is an OEM file. This is very different then switching to a "stock" type mode.


Perfect. Is it a backup of the OEM file that it grabs prior to flashing? And then say I go to dealer for some ECM update, when I go back to the flash loader, am I to assume it then backs up latest ROM prior to loading EPL?

[Tony@EPL]

Perfect. Is it a backup of the OEM file that it grabs prior to flashing? And then say I go to dealer for some ECM update, when I go back to the flash loader, am I to assume it then backs up latest ROM prior to loading EPL?

No, there is no way to fully read these ecu's through the port with out flashing in a non stock file first. The file avalible on line for stock flashing 9 times out of 10 is the latest stock file available for the car.

[Tony@EPL]

Can you give us some details on what the DSG tune changes?

On our full release we will provide a partial list of relevant changes made. I believe at this point we are changing things that other are not. For example I belive we are currently the only tuner that has a work around for the 200 launch limit!

[bhvrdr]

No, there is no way to fully read these ecu's through the port with out flashing in a non stock file first. The file avalible on line for stock flashing 9 times out of 10 is the latest stock file available for the car.


You may want to consider a method of investigating which version of the OEM file each person has on their car so they can have the exact version that was on their car as the backup OEM file.

Another member here was flashed back to stock by his tuner and they flashed back a different version "s0002" versus "s0006" and they got flagged TD1.

Thanks,
Mike

[cobrario]

Another member here was flashed back to stock by his tuner and they flashed back a different version "s0002" versus "s0006" and they got flagged TD1.

Thanks,
Mike

I've yet to hear of anyone that had the stock file re-installed who got flagged, If you have the thread where this was discussed I'd appreciate it.

Thanks,

[Rez90]

Are you guys affiliated with AMS?

[derek.kritz]

I've yet to hear of anyone that had the stock file re-installed who got flagged, If you have the thread where this was discussed I'd appreciate it.

Thanks,

I flashed back to the OE file and got flagged td1. Didn't go to far into it with the dealer cause i am already out of warranty (was trying to get them to cover the oil consumption test out of warranty). But they said halfway through the ECU scan, their computer detected something and flagged my ECU td1. The silver CTS pulley is also a dead giveaway, but I believe the dealer that the car was detected through yhr ECU. Tony even said that there are higher level programs that the dealer can use to detect it, even with a stock file in place.


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[cobrario]

I flashed back to the OE file and got flagged td1. k

What tune are you using? EPL?

[bhvrdr]

I've yet to hear of anyone that had the stock file re-installed who got flagged, If you have the thread where this was discussed I'd appreciate it.

Thanks,

This is the person. They were flashed back to stock at their APR tuner but the dealership plugged in the car, the scan occurred in the background, and the stock OEM file was found to be different than the stock OEM file that was originally on the car and it triggered an automatic TD1. Fortunately APR now has an automated process to get you the exact file you had but this wouldnt be the case with all tuners and stated above.

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/642918-Is-anyone-assuming-that-TD1-is-coming-and-is-OK-with-it

Mike

[derek.kritz]

What tune are you using? EPL?

Yup


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[Tony@EPL]

You may want to consider a method of investigating which version of the OEM file each person has on their car so they can have the exact version that was on their car as the backup OEM file.

Another member here was flashed back to stock by his tuner and they flashed back a different version "s0002" versus "s0006" and they got flagged TD1.

Thanks,
Mike

Full aware of the implications of back dating. Which is why I said 9 times out of 10 its a current file in my previous comment. Independent shops have the ability (by law) to be able to flash the latest emissions update. If this is done (again by law) there is really nothing Audi will be able to say/do. That being said (and being 100% open and honest) I dont believe there is a single tuner in this market that fully understands what causes the TD1 to be thrown in 100% of cases.

http://www.boschdiagnostics.com/testequipment/diagnostics/j2534/Pages/J2534FAQs.aspx

[Tony@EPL]

Ive done some of their european tuning (mainly porsche) for them in the past and supplied them with calibrations for their B8 prior to it being sold.

[UnstableOS]

Great information Tony, thank you.

I'm ready to buy when everything is ready.

[Tony@EPL]

Great information Tony, thank you.

I'm ready to buy when everything is ready.

The 2012 software is done. The DSG tuning should be along shortly.

[UnstableOS]

The 2012 software is done. The DSG tuning should be along shortly.


I wasn't aware the flash loader was ready for home users.. I'll hit the site and email you with further questions.

[derek.kritz]

And just to make myself clear, Tony is very upfront about this when getting the tune. He in no way told me that the oe file will 100% prevent a td1 code being thrown.


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[Tony@EPL]

I wasn't aware the flash loader was ready for home users.. I'll hit the site and email you with further questions.

Sounds good!

[cobrario]

And just to make myself clear, Tony is very upfront about this when getting the tune. He in no way told me that the oe file will 100% prevent a td1 code being thrown.


Revo said the same but despite the formal "no guarantee" I was given they also stated that they have thousands of tunes out there and have yet to see one get flagged TD1 when properly dealer flashed to stock -since I happen to be very close to Revo HQ I'll have them do it for me when the time comes. In the end we're all big boys and should know what we're getting ourselves in to- I enjoy the power my tune has provided and will try my best to remain TD1 free but if it happens it happens- I won't second guess a thing.

[Rez90]

Are you guys affiliated with AMS?

Thanks.

[Tony@EPL]

Are you guys affiliated with AMS?

Thanks.

We have provided them tuning solution in the past, mostly for Porsche (996/997 platform). We also did the calibrations for their B8 when they owned it.

[Shaman]

Ordered the Stage II package and the cable. A great price and quick service. This is the way S4 owners want to be treated.

[cfritos]

Ordered the Stage II package and the cable. A great price and quick service. This is the way S4 owners want to be treated.

how much is the package price?

[Tony@EPL]

We were asked today if we still accept ecu's for bench flashing... YES and we cover ground shipping in the US back.

We also have many authorized dealers through out the country. If you don't feel comfortable flashing yourself, we have MANY options including remotely accessing your computer and walking you through the process.

[Tuned4Rings]

Just placed my order for the stage 1 and stage 2 with cable very excited. Rob and Tony are amazing to deal with look forward to working with them.

[Shaman]

how much is the package price?

Give them a call, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

[the4siswickid]

Tony, why is the pulley silver? As that is a dead giveaway, is there any way to use a different brand of pulley so that it's not visually obvious to the dealer? Thx.

[klattery]

Ordered the Stage II package and the cable. A great price and quick service. This is the way S4 owners want to be treated.

So they have Stage 2 for 2014 now?

[Boris]

Purchase via phone only? Website doesn't seem up?

[Tony@EPL]

So they have Stage 2 for 2014 now?

Yes!

[Tony@EPL]

Purchase via phone only? Website doesn't seem up?

Yes! Website or not... We would never sell a tune without talking to you first. It's important to have all your questions answered and to understand the process!

[Tony@EPL]

Tony, why is the pulley silver? As that is a dead giveaway, is there any way to use a different brand of pulley so that it's not visually obvious to the dealer? Thx.

We will provide tuning for most pulleys on the market. That being said we choose cts product because of past experiences with their products. I already have discussed with them having a batch of black pulleys made.

[Dthquazi]

We will provide tuning for most pulleys on the market. That being said we choose cts product because of past experiences with their products. I already have discussed with them having a batch of black pulleys made.

Any information about the black pulleys after that discussion?

[Tuned4Rings]

Is there any way to paint, powdercoat, or other way to make the pulley black before installing it that would not harm performance or the part?

[Shaman]

Yeah, this is something I intend to do myself. :/

[blackbenzz]

Is the special pricing going on now? Don't want to miss this. Black pulley is a good idea. I don't see how powdercoating it would hurt the pulley

[Chris@EPL]

Is the special pricing going on now? Don't want to miss this. Black pulley is a good idea. I don't see how powdercoating it would hurt the pulley

Shoot us an email and we'll discuss further!

[Dthquazi]

Also, if I purchase stage 2, do i get the stage 1 file on top of that?

[Tony@EPL]

Also, if I purchase stage 2, do i get the stage 1 file on top of that?

Currently no. If there was ever a reason that you wanted to down grade to stage 1, we would provide a stage 1 file at that point at no charge.

[Tony@EPL]

Feeling left out because you have a 2010 DSG car with no launch control?

For a limited time we are offering a FREE launch control option with the purchase of a stage 1 or 2 flash. (Future price $149)

[VDub28t]

Shoot us an email and we'll discuss further!

Just sent Tony an email. Considering Stg 1 or 2 now that the at home system is working well.

[derek.kritz]

Feeling left out because you have a 2010 DSG car with no launch control?

For a limited time we are offering a FREE launch control option with the purchase of a stage 1 or 2 flash. (Future price $149)

Wow. The DSG tune looks to be close!!! Glad to see there will be launch control for the 2010 folks. [emoji106][emoji106]


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[Tony@EPL]

Wow. The DSG tune looks to be close!!! Glad to see there will be launch control for the 2010 folks. [emoji106][emoji106]


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I can throw that up on your account today if you would like to check it out!

[mojangles69]

Hmm, reading all the positive reviews about EPL thus far and Tony responding quickly and being very communicative is making me lean more and more towards EPL.

I have a 2015 with just shy of 5k miles. Would love to get a Stage 2 tune but am waiting for the DSG to be released for B8.5's before doing anything. Anxiously waiting but patiently! [:D]

[derek.kritz]

I can throw that up on your account today if you would like to check it out!

Yes please!!!


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[Boris]

Yes! Website or not... We would never sell a tune without talking to you first. It's important to have all your questions answered and to understand the process!

Any e85 tune and kit yet for this car?

Station opened up near me.

[Segaman2002]

I just got my car back from recall work and the paperwork says that they did a "Software Update."
Anyone know if this software update has to do with the ECU? The service guy said it was related to the fuel injector recall somehow.

I bought the EPL flash at home kit last week and was planning on installing now, but I'm worried that my software might be newer than EPL's flash image. If it is, I won't be able to flash back to the same version.

Worried about dat TD1. Any way to see what version my software is at? So I can make sure that I'm capable of coming back to this before doing my flash?

[DirtyDog--IRL]

I'm also very interested! Email sent.

[Snakeshot]

Tony, how long is the sale going on for this tune? (If it's still even on sale)

Thanks

[Dthquazi]

I have read in a few places now that there aren't tunes out for 2015. I just wanted to make sire that this will work for my 2015 at this time.

[doug97gxe]

I have read in a few places now that there aren't tunes out for 2015. I just wanted to make sire that this will work for my 2015 at this time.

yes... i have it

[doug97gxe]

Tony, how long is the sale going on for this tune? (If it's still even on sale)

Thanks

email and phone works quicker

[6spdg37s]

Ordered the Stage II package and the cable. A great price and quick service. This is the way S4 owners want to be treated.

I have a 15' on order let me know how the at home works I am def interested.

I am only concerned about going to the dealer for warranty work as far as TD1 is concerned so general question :

Lets say I order stage 2 , install the parts and flash it. Now something happens and it needs to go to the dealer for a warranty, recall , etc; I flash back to stock at home...

It should be clean where there is no TD1 correct ?

Is it safe to drive the car with stage 2 pulley and stuff while the car is flashed back to stock or will it cause check engine codes or something else that will red flag the car to them and make them dig deeper?

And also the stage 2 flash at home is currently out for 2015 models?

thanks-

[doug97gxe]

yes you can drive with a stage 2 pulley and stock flash.. the ecu will hold you to stock boost...

yes the stage 2 flash from home is out.. i have it

[Usa]

Question is what method & stock file is EPL using and has anyone been flashed.. then went to stock and went in for Audi service

[6spdg37s]

yes you can drive with a stage 2 pulley and stock flash.. the ecu will hold you to stock boost...

yes the stage 2 flash from home is out.. i have it

awesome man how much do like it ?



Question is what method & stock file is EPL using and has anyone been flashed.. then went to stock and went in for Audi service

down for this info as well

[doug97gxe]

awesome man how much do like it ?


I love it.. definitely can it when merging or hitting gaps in traffic and it pulls all the way to redline

[derek.kritz]

awesome man how much do like it ?




down for this info as well

I have it. I flashed to the OE file. I was out of warranty already though. Just trying to get my oil consumption test covered. But I was flashed td1. The service advisor said it popped up on the computer when they were scanning the car. Don't know if he was telling the truth or he saw the silver CTS pulley. Anyway. There are upper level scans Audi uses to detect for a flash. The OE file Tony uses at Epl is a true OE file. But even he will tell u that there is a possibility that they can detect still. I am proof.


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[6spdg37s]

I have it. I flashed to the OE file. I was out of warranty already though. Just trying to get my oil consumption test covered. But I was flashed td1. The service advisor said it popped up on the computer when they were scanning the car. Don't know if he was telling the truth or he saw the silver CTS pulley. Anyway. There are upper level scans Audi uses to detect for a flash. The OE file Tony uses at Epl is a true OE file. But even he will tell u that there is a possibility that they can detect still. I am proof.


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hmmm very interesting.. I am definitely down for more info. actually a friend of mine was a service advisor at audi before going back to chevy I will try to get some info from him

[Segaman2002]

Wtf. :/ this needs to be figured out. It's entirely the reason I bought EPL to be able to flash at home.

[derek.kritz]

Wtf. :/ this needs to be figured out. It's entirely the reason I bought EPL to be able to flash at home.

And u still can flash it home!!! There is NO tuner that can put a tune on a car and make it 100% undetectable by Audi. A good chance it won't show up but not 100%. No tuner can make it 100%.


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[S4 00 2.7]

Hmm, reading all the positive reviews about EPL thus far and Tony responding quickly and being very communicative is making me lean more and more towards EPL.

I have a 2015 with just shy of 5k miles. Would love to get a Stage 2 tune but am waiting for the DSG to be released for B8.5's before doing anything. Anxiously waiting but patiently! [:D]

No reason not to try EPL. They have been tuning other platforms with great results for some time now.

If anyone is thinking EPL is new to tuning, you are mistaken.

[up] [drive]

[Segaman2002]

And u still can flash it home!!! There is NO tuner that can put a tune on a car and make it 100% undetectable by Audi. A good chance it won't show up but not 100%. No tuner can make it 100%.


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Right, the service tech can just mark it based on your pulley, flash counter, etc.
But as far as automatic flags based on software... that was supposed to be prevented.

[6spdg37s]

Right, the service tech can just mark it based on your pulley, flash counter, etc.
But as far as automatic flags based on software... that was supposed to be prevented.

I am waiting to see if they figure out a way to remove the flash counter number as in subract it. but here is a question lets say you use a mechanic that has a computer that can flash vehicles and they flash it with an update or something... that could void your warranty based on the flash counter but in reality you didnt do anything to vehicle.

I am down for a black painted or powdercoated pulley with the stage 2+ kit and more info on the TD1 - based on the flash counter

[J.S4]

And u still can flash it home!!! There is NO tuner that can put a tune on a car and make it 100% undetectable by Audi. A good chance it won't show up but not 100%. No tuner can make it 100%.


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+1,000,000

You guys have hijacked Tony's product development thread into the one billionth TD1 Q&A...with the same questions and the same answers. Nothing is guaranteed or prevented with flash at home. It offers convenience and better odds of not being flagged. The best way to guarantee no TD1 remains not getting tuned. Period. Enough already.

/all TD1 threads.

[Hofahome]

Tony - Any chance I can get a PM for B8.5 stage II?

[doug97gxe]

You're not gonna get a quote in PM.. Call them


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[Hofahome]

You're not gonna get a quote in PM.. Call them


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ok. Thanks.

[Dthquazi]

So what are the support mod requirements and recommendations for the two stages. Obviously the pulley is a requirement for stage two.

[FiftyPence]

Emailed for details [up]

[derek.kritz]

So what are the support mod requirements and recommendations for the two stages. Obviously the pulley is a requirement for stage two.

Nothing, but an intake is a good idea. Radar detector is another one...[emoji200][emoji200][emoji200]


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[IanCH]

Intake is the first mod anyone should do to this car (or at least a new filter) its very big difference that you dont necessarily notice right when you install it, but you really feel it if you go back to stock from having an intake.

[mojangles69]

+1,000,000

You guys have hijacked Tony's product development thread into the one billionth TD1 Q&A...with the same questions and the same answers. Nothing is guaranteed or prevented with flash at home. It offers convenience and better odds of not being flagged. The best way to guarantee no TD1 remains not getting tuned. Period. Enough already.

/all TD1 threads.

+1 very well said.

Regardless of the tune and which tuner it is provided by, people will only flash back to stock for the same exact reason...to take the car to the dealership for maintenance service and/or warranty issue. So, realistically people will with a tune will have very similar "flash counts." Really, the only advantage to the at home flash is not having to go to your tuner provider and pay X amount of $$$ everytime you need to flash back to stock and then go back to re-flash.

So, make sure you have a good relationship with your service department and techs so that they don't manually search for your flash count.

[Segaman2002]

+1 very well said.

So, make sure you have a good relationship with your service department and techs so that they don't manually search for your flash count.

Except there was someone who posted in this thread just recently who said that his car was automatically flagged, not manually flagged. That is something completely different. If you can be automatically flagged then there is not point in flashing back to stock at all.

[madman4you]

+1,000,000

You guys have hijacked Tony's product development thread into the one billionth TD1 Q&A...with the same questions and the same answers. Nothing is guaranteed or prevented with flash at home. It offers convenience and better odds of not being flagged. The best way to guarantee no TD1 remains not getting tuned. Period. Enough already.

/all TD1 threads.


+1 very well said.

Regardless of the tune and which tuner it is provided by, people will only flash back to stock for the same exact reason...to take the car to the dealership for maintenance service and/or warranty issue. So, realistically people will with a tune will have very similar "flash counts." Really, the only advantage to the at home flash is not having to go to your tuner provider and pay X amount of $$$ everytime you need to flash back to stock and then go back to re-flash.

So, make sure you have a good relationship with your service department and techs so that they don't manually search for your flash count.


No one likes to read anymore. Its crazy how many times this has been asked. There is slight variations and experiences, however it all leads back to the same definitive answer. Do not tune the car if you don't want the chance to be flagged TD1. I think its that simple.

[bhvrdr]

Except bad info keeps getting regurgitated. As it was stated in this thread, the flash at home option does not reset the flash counter. This will get you dinged. There are tuners that do reset the flash counter. With the correct OEM file and the flash counter reset people have not gotten dinged as of YET. So for now if you get your correct VERSION of the OEM file and the flash counter reset (ala APR) this seems to work...until Audi comes up with something even more sophisticated. Now I predict 5 more people will post in this thread that they are shocked with the EPL and unitronic flash at homes that they will still get dinged TD1 when it has been stated over and over :0)

Mike

[mojangles69]

Except bad info keeps getting regurgitated. As it was stated in this thread, the flash at home option does not reset the flash counter. This will get you dinged. There are tuners that do reset the flash counter. With the correct OEM file and the flash counter reset people have not gotten dinged as of YET. So for now if you get your correct VERSION of the OEM file and the flash counter reset (ala APR) this seems to work...until Audi comes up with something even more sophisticated. Now I predict 5 more people will post in this thread that they are shocked with the EPL and unitronic flash at homes that they will still get dinged TD1 when it has been stated over and over :0)

Mike

LMAO!![facepalm]

[Whitee]

Don't tune your car if you don't want TD1, its that simple.

[bpang1]

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/bpang1/WRX/BP1%20-%202015%20Audi%20S4%20-%20EPL%20Stage%201%20-%204-7-15%20-%202_zpssz6zlgpx.jpg (http://s14.photobucket.com/user/bpang1/media/WRX/BP1%20-%202015%20Audi%20S4%20-%20EPL%20Stage%201%20-%204-7-15%20-%202_zpssz6zlgpx.jpg.html)


Done Today...2015 Audi S4 with S-Tronic - EPL Stage 1 tune, AWE Touring Exhaust, 92 octane, 2,188 ft elevation...Dynocom Dyno @ Reliable Auto (Hayden Lake, Idaho).

Black line - Stock + AWE Exhaust
Green Line - Stage 1 + AWE Exhaust

[Shaman]

Those look like really good numbers for a stage 1 tune.

[AZT]

Done Today...Stage 1, AWE Touring Exhaust, 92 octane, 2,188 ft elevation...Dynocom Dyno.

Black line - Stock + AWE Exhaust
Green Line - Stage 1 + AWE Exhaust

You have a 2015 right? The low-mid range torque curve is amazing for just a Stage 1 tune - looks like it is riding 50 lb-ft higher than stock for awhile there (and yet still on the stock pulley). I recall SMS saw a similar effect on tuning a late model B8.5 - the stage 1 had a surprising gain in torque (presumably boost) here before even changing the pulley. Traditionally the B8 Stage 1 tunes only see these great kind of gains up top. I made the comment in the SMS thread but I wonder if something changed in these later B8.5 model years that allows unlocking more boost gain down low than before.

[bpang1]

Thanks both of you!

Really amazed by the difference. The guys at EPL are extremely good at customer service and I am very happy with the product as well as the direction they are going.

Will likely go Stage 2 sometime next year or the year after.

FYI - the shop that dyno'd my car literally had a silver B8 S4 with the Stasis Package in there the other day and that car did about 366 hp...not sure what mods are on that Stasis Package since it no longer exists.

[RynoS4]

Ordered up a stage 2 with flash dongle and an install tool!

I plan on going south to Calgary for a dyno day when i install. Get some back to back same day data for you folks, i was on this dyno last year (stock) and put down just under 300 if i remember correctly. Maybe it was 290 ill have to find the sheet, i know cap posted it all in a thread here.

EPL has been great to deal with so far, Tony answered all my questions in email, Rob got me set up with everything else. They are even worknig with me to drop ship a few items to help speed up my delivery ETA. Great customer service so far.

[Tony@EPL]

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/bpang1/WRX/BP1%20-%202015%20Audi%20S4%20-%20EPL%20Stage%201%20-%204-7-15%20-%202_zpssz6zlgpx.jpg (http://s14.photobucket.com/user/bpang1/media/WRX/BP1%20-%202015%20Audi%20S4%20-%20EPL%20Stage%201%20-%204-7-15%20-%202_zpssz6zlgpx.jpg.html)


Done Today...Stage 1, AWE Touring Exhaust, 92 octane, 2,188 ft elevation...Dynocom Dyno.

Black line - Stock + AWE Exhaust
Green Line - Stage 1 + AWE Exhaust

Great results!! Thanks for taking the time to do this!

[Tuned4Rings]

Hope to have my stage 1 tomorrow and trying to get on the dyno as well to do a stock and stage 1 comparison

[blackbenzz]

Nice!!! So the 2015 make more power than earlier years?

[eurotic]

Would love to see a dyno pull from 1500 to redline comparing stock to tuned.

[RynoS4]

give me a week or so lol

[blackbenzz]

Would love to see a dyno pull from 1500 to redline comparing stock to tuned.

Why? It's rare to need power at 1500rpm

[bpang1]

Would love to see a dyno pull from 1500 to redline comparing stock to tuned.

Send me $85 and I'll do it...to pay for the session.

I'd also have to ask the guy if he can do that.

[bpang1]

Great results!! Thanks for taking the time to do this!

Thanks to you Tony and also to Rob for all the great customer service. It was really heartening to know that you guys both knew that I was getting it done yesterday and were excited to hear the results. I always think you tuner guys would be jaded by all of this Stage 1 stuff but it was cool that you were as excited as I was.

The only way the flashing process could be any easier is if it were wireless...that's right, the "hardest" part of the whole affair is going under the dash to plug in the cable. Everything else is just a few clicks and the program does everything.

What will be really cool is to someday be able to use the program to log as well and we can send the information to EPL for further refinements (not even sure refinements are needed).

[bpang1]

You have a 2015 right? The low-mid range torque curve is amazing for just a Stage 1 tune - looks like it is riding 50 lb-ft higher than stock for awhile there (and yet still on the stock pulley). I recall SMS saw a similar effect on tuning a late model B8.5 - the stage 1 had a surprising gain in torque (presumably boost) here before even changing the pulley. Traditionally the B8 Stage 1 tunes only see these great kind of gains up top. I made the comment in the SMS thread but I wonder if something changed in these later B8.5 model years that allows unlocking more boost gain down low than before.

I would imagine that tuners are just getting better at working with the motor and the direct injection. It may also be what they are shooting for as well. Tony and Rob might be able to chime in with more / better detail.

[Lamprey]

Why? It's rare to need power at 1500rpm
I take it you are not joking..?

Having come from a v8 to this platform, the low end torque is terrible. But, probably to be expected as they have it tuned to make more power on the upper end. Additionally, those that have DSGs are constantly getting into slow speeds (less than 10 MPH) and the trans stays in 2nd gear, thus bogging down. Is it needed? Only, if you don't manually kick down into 1st gear. Otherwise this car can't get out of it's own way at that low speed/2nd gear combo. So, yeah, having more power down low is a benefit.

[saxon]

I take it you are not joking..?

Having come from a v8 to this platform, the low end torque is terrible. But, probably to be expected as they have it tuned to make more power on the upper end. Additionally, those that have DSGs are constantly getting into slow speeds (less than 10 MPH) and the trans stays in 2nd gear, thus bogging down. Is it needed? Only, if you don't manually kick down into 1st gear. Otherwise this car can't get out of it's own way at that low speed/2nd gear combo. So, yeah, having more power down low is a benefit.

this car stock has more tq at 2000 rpm compared to the old s4 v8 by almost 50ftlbs stock vs stock

[bpang1]

I take it you are not joking..?

Having come from a v8 to this platform, the low end torque is terrible. But, probably to be expected as they have it tuned to make more power on the upper end. Additionally, those that have DSGs are constantly getting into slow speeds (less than 10 MPH) and the trans stays in 2nd gear, thus bogging down. Is it needed? Only, if you don't manually kick down into 1st gear. Otherwise this car can't get out of it's own way at that low speed/2nd gear combo. So, yeah, having more power down low is a benefit.

I spend about 98% of my driving time in "S" not "D" so I don't know much about what you mean. Have only ever experienced one time when the car wasn't in the right gear.

[eurotic]

Why? It's rare to need power at 1500rpm
Most of my driving is under 3000 and not having to wind out the engine to drive spiritedly is nice. I'm always looking for making low-end power over top-end power simply because in day to day driving this is where 90% of my time is spent. I use this example all the time, when turning onto a side street, 2nd gear, RPM are around 1000, and plant your right foot...it's really nice if the car can deliver with nice strong acceleration. In stock for the car is enjoyable and a huge improvement compared to my Golf R but like most of us...I want more.

I take it you are not joking..?

Having come from a v8 to this platform, the low end torque is terrible. But, probably to be expected as they have it tuned to make more power on the upper end. Additionally, those that have DSGs are constantly getting into slow speeds (less than 10 MPH) and the trans stays in 2nd gear, thus bogging down. Is it needed? Only, if you don't manually kick down into 1st gear. Otherwise this car can't get out of it's own way at that low speed/2nd gear combo. So, yeah, having more power down low is a benefit.


this car stock has more tq at 2000 rpm compared to the old s4 v8 by almost 50ftlbs stock vs stock
I agree with you saxon, I feel the B8 is better than my old B6 in the low end...well actually in all aspects I have to say.


I spend about 98% of my driving time in "S" not "D" so I don't know much about what you mean. Have only ever experienced one time when the car wasn't in the right gear.
I can see that having DSG it would be a lot easier to downshift into 1st to get even more power. But don't get me wrong, this car is not a slouch in low RPM but my money for a tune will eventually go the the tuner that makes really smooth power with a beefy bottom end and a little extra up top...so yeah, I want it all. [;)]

[MNS4]

Hi Tony,
Just wanted to say thanks for the awesome stage 2 tune. I'm running a Viva pulley here in Minnesota and am very happy with the results. As it was, I was stage 1 EPL and dead even with several local APR stage 2 tunes. Quite happy to show them my tail lights now!

Best,

Andrew

[saxon]

Hi Tony,
Just wanted to say thanks for the awesome stage 2 tune. I'm running a Viva pulley here in Minnesota and am very happy with the results. As it was, I was stage 1 EPL and dead even with several local APR stage 2 tunes. Quite happy to show them my tail lights now!

Best,

Andrew

not quite sure how that could happen since i made near identical power with epl stage 2 and apr stage 2 unless tony has modified the tune since when i had it....

[AZT]

not quite sure how that could happen since i made near identical power with epl stage 2 and apr stage 2 unless tony has modified the tune since when i had it....

Or APR's tune is not running optimally on those particular cars. Case in point the thread just posted where APR got roasted by a piggyback on a 2015 because it is only making half the power it should.

[mrpeterparker]

not quite sure how that could happen since i made near identical power with epl stage 2 and apr stage 2 unless tony has modified the tune since when i had it....

can vouch for Andrew. I know both him and the owner of the APR car.

[cspcrx]

Im still waiting to hear about the E85 tune.

[Tony@EPL]

Tuning Support added for most pulleys. Please inquire if you are looking to upgrade your tune to an EPL tune!

[Tony@EPL]

Flash licenses transfer information can be found here:

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/646657-EPL-Flash-Licenses-Transfer-(yes-you-can-resell-your-EPL-tune)

[boseephuss]

Flash licenses transfer information can be found here:

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/646657-EPL-Flash-Licenses-Transfer-(yes-you-can-resell-your-EPL-tune)

This is great! Can't wait to get the DSG tune once it is released! [up][race]

[grovlet]

You guys are really trying hard to separate my $$$ from my wallet[:p] If Audi would play nice with tuners (no TD1) my wallet would already be empty - also convincing the wife of the "need for speed" is a separate challenge[=(]

Keep up the good work!!

[theswoleguy]

Reading this as I await my dealer appt to pick up my 2015 S4... I hate all of you. 14 miles a flash and td1 screw it let's go!

[theswoleguy]

180 miles on the new car... so tempting

[boseephuss]

180 miles on the new car... so tempting
Doooooooo it

[theswoleguy]

Kinda want to, probably wait till the dsg tunes available too. That alone would make the car more fun than stock shift point.

[Shaman]

The major benefit of stage II is the torque response at ALL engine rpm and is useful at all times. So the DSG shift point is really more interesting if you are looking for drag times or doing some sort of racing.

Mine goes in the car on Thursday morning. Can hardly wait.

[Tuned4Rings]

I ordered stage 1 and 2 at the same time so I can feel the difference from stock to all the stages. Started with stage 1 and can not be happier with the support from EPL and the tune itself. I look forward to the DSG tune as well and also any other modifications or updates EPL will offer. Great people and great product. Thanks Tony and Rob for all the help and putting up with me.

[Acejam]

Stage 2 + DSG Tune and flashable from home with my laptop? Sign me up!

[mrebusa]

at home stage 1 flash for B8.5 yet? And time line on the DSG tune?

[doug97gxe]

at home stage 1 flash for B8.5 yet? And time line on the DSG tune?

done and done

[bpang1]

I don't know if it's still active but they had posted on FB last week that they are including for free the CTS intake kit with purchase of Stage 2 package. I missed out as I got the B8.5 intro offer and they don't combine offers.

I was all ready to pull the trigger on stage 2 if I was gonna get that intake for free but will wait a year or two otherwise. Probably get a upgraded boost cooler system first since I live in a very hot area during the Summer and much of my racing is in that time-period.

[klattery]

Stage 2 EPL Rocks. Just had the install done this morning, and flashed at home. I used to miss my modded STi, but now I don't. Driveability of the tune is excellent. But when you mash the gas, instant torque is there - everywhere. It's nice to spin all 4 tires at the top of 1st, and slip them a little in 2nd. It's that much easier to hit the throttle on exit and feel the sport diff kick in. The S4 went from nice to fun. Thanks!!

Biggest problem now is the car seems a bit unbalanced - too much body roll for the amount of power it has.

[firstars]

Biggest problem now is the car seems a bit unbalanced - too much body roll for the amount of power it has.

suspension + eurocode bits fix all of this.

[blackbenzz]

Tony I sent a pm a while ago. Hook it up!

[boseephuss]

suspension + eurocode bits fix all of this.

I can say having all the Eurocode bits has meant I don't experience any issues, as I see from your sig you can vouch for as well.

[doug97gxe]

Tony I sent a pm a while ago. Hook it up!

call them.. they hardly check the forums

[blackbenzz]

call them.. they hardly check the forums

EPL responded thanks ;)

[Chris@EPL]

PSA: We've had a number of customers experience flash trouble while they have emissions related codes stored in the ECU. These can be related to misfires, evap issues or other emissions related faults. It is highly recommended that all issues are fixed prior to flashing. However, leaving the scan tool (VCDS or factory scan tool) hooked up for approximately 2 minutes will fix the issue.

[Tuned4Rings]

PSA: We've had a number of customers experience flash trouble while they have emissions related codes stored in the ECU. These can be related to misfires, evap issues or other emissions related faults. It is highly recommended that all issues are fixed prior to flashing. However, leaving the scan tool (VCDS or factory scan tool) hooked up for approximately 2 minutes will fix the issue.

any update on the DSG flash?

[Tony@EPL]

any update on the DSG flash?

Unfortunately the only update we have is spring rush is killing up this year. We're tuning more cars then ever and its slowing new development on all platforms.

[bpang1]

^^^LOL someone send Tony and Rob a case of Red Bull and a tank of Oxygen.

[CinciKid]

done and done

Are you saying EPL dsg tune is done?

[doug97gxe]

Are you saying EPL dsg tune is done?

i thought so.. i guess i misunderstood

[Chris@EPL]

We have had a lot of interest in black pulleys and the wait is finally over! They are now in stock and ready to order!

Call or email today!

https://scontent-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/11018022_10153259769574774_5774023373907124463_n.j pg?oh=f8e5b84a186a544ed443b4b53933061d&oe=55CB9C2A

[Dudemans4]

Hoping for the dsg soon love my tune but I know there is more power hiding inside .

[doug97gxe]

We have had a lot of interest in black pulleys and the wait is finally over! They are now in stock and ready to order!

Call or email today!

https://scontent-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/11018022_10153259769574774_5774023373907124463_n.j pg?oh=f8e5b84a186a544ed443b4b53933061d&oe=55CB9C2A

just emailed Rob

[Sailingtime]

I'm located in Milford, CT...Always heard great things. Just recently purchased a B8 S4 and plan on coming by soon.

Hi I have lake house in Sherman CT where is your shop I would love to swing by. Following your product development with great interest. Also rumor has it Eurodyne is working on tunes for our cars. They are running couple of B8 test cars. It will be great to have both of you in the Market place.

Cheers

[Chris@EPL]

Hi I have lake house in Sherman CT where is your shop I would love to swing by. Following your product development with great interest. Also rumor has it Eurodyne is working on tunes for our cars. They are running couple of B8 test cars. It will be great to have both of you in the Market place.

Cheers

We're located in Stratford, CT. We have our own flashes that are developed in house. You're more than welcome to stop by any time.

[Shaman]

Oh man, I wish you'd had these a few weeks ago. I might consider trading anyway.

[Dudemans4]

Any update guys it's been quiet for a few weeks now

[Tony@EPL]

Any update guys it's been quiet for a few weeks now

The spring rush has been beyond anything we've seen before. I expect some free time for further development to open up shortly. Ill post here when it does!

[Tony@EPL]

Minutes after I post about no new releases [cool]....

For immediate release:

B8.5 calibration update for customers running aftermarket charge cooling systems. This update will provide a file that is optimized for lower and more stable charge temperatures.

Email [email protected] to have the file added to your profile.

[boseephuss]

Minutes after I post about no new releases [cool]....

For immediate release:

B8.5 calibration update for customers running aftermarket charge cooling systems. This update will provide a file that is optimized for lower and more stable charge temperatures.

Email [email protected] to have the file added to your profile.
Anything similar planned for B8 cars?[emoji2]

[boseephuss]

Also, so everyone knows they are running a special on the older silver pulleys in stock.

"Take advantage of our old stock and save big!! All EPL Stage 2 B8/B8.5 orders are now shipping with black pulleys. We have 2 silver pulleys left in stock that we are pricing to move at $1049 for complete kits! (Pulley, belt, flash and flash software)
Email [email protected] or Call 203-345-6499 today!"

[Dudemans4]

Also, so everyone knows they are running a special on the older silver pulleys in stock.

"Take advantage of our old stock and save big!! All EPL Stage 2 B8/B8.5 orders are now shipping with black pulleys. We have 2 silver pulleys left in stock that we are pricing to move at $1049 for complete kits! (Pulley, belt, flash and flash software)
Email [email protected] or Call 203-345-6499 today!"
That's a good deal for sure if your out of warranty like me than silver should be no big deal

[derek.kritz]

That's a good deal for sure if your out of warranty like me than silver should be no big deal

$1050 is incredible. For software and pulley. Other companies don't even get close...and u flash from your own driveway!!![emoji106]🏼[emoji106]🏼[emoji106]🏼


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[Shaman]

And it works. I go to the track this Friday night so we'll see how well.

Question to EPL: is the different tune suitable for a climate that never gets above 80F or so? Or is it really only safe / usable with a separate intake charge cooler?

[Tony@EPL]

And it works. I go to the track this Friday night so we'll see how well.

Question to EPL: is the different tune suitable for a climate that never gets above 80F or so? Or is it really only safe / usable with a separate intake charge cooler?

I'd gladly offer it up for testing... But would want to see logs in various conditions.

[Dudemans4]

I'm hoping we hear some news soon on the dsg flash has anybody heard any news yet

[derek.kritz]

I'm hoping we hear some news soon on the dsg flash has anybody heard any news yet

Dude no idea. They said back in March that it was in final testing. And there is a ecu update in the works. Prob to be paired with the dsg tune. Waiting...


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[saxon]

Dude no idea. They said back in March that it was in final testing. And there is a ecu update in the works. Prob to be paired with the dsg tune. Waiting...


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He said he was working on it last year when I had the tune. I think Tony is a great dude but honestly he can't keep up with the demands of all the products people want

Fyi I have a cable of his I'd sell for $100 since I'm not allowed to resell my flash

[madman4you]

And it works. I go to the track this Friday night so we'll see how well.

Question to EPL: is the different tune suitable for a climate that never gets above 80F or so? Or is it really only safe / usable with a separate intake charge cooler?


Shaman, How was the track? Did you go to TMP? any track times to share?

[Shaman]

It rained, I didn't get out. Also I have discovered that the pump near me with 93 octane is either 91 or... just crap. 94 octane fuel from another known pump makes the car a bullet, sizable difference in response.

So... hopefully soon.

[madman4you]

It rained, I didn't get out. Also I have discovered that the pump near me with 93 octane is either 91 or... just crap. 94 octane fuel from another known pump makes the car a bullet, sizable difference in response.

So... hopefully soon.

You should use some Petro Canada 94. We should try and meet up next track day and line them up.

[Shaman]

You should use some Petro Canada 94. We should try and meet up next track day and line them up.

Yeah, that's what I put in it... let the tank down to the last 30km and filled with PC94. Woke the motor right back up again. I'm going to have a word with the nearby station because that's shit if they're selling 91 labelled as 93.

[espo4442]

Would love to see some comparison videos of solos 93 vs giac...perhaps a 30 mph roll?

[Alessandro]

Would love to see some comparison videos of solos 93 vs giac...perhaps a 30 mph roll?

me too madman4you and myself are available gopro is charged as well, still strange no 1/4 mile times posted with the Solo Tune whats up with that?

[Tony@EPL]

Happy 4th all. With the recent release of other "flash at home" systems... I think it's important to point out that we are still the only tuner offering a TRUE flash back to stock option. If a tuner needs to flash your ecu on the bench to allow for port flashing, they are adding low level code to the ecu allowing the ecu to be flashed in a "development mode" there the port. The result is a a TD1 flag that will remain when the ecu is flashed to stock!!!!

If anyone has questions on this, I will gladly field here in this thread!

[UberBrute]

Happy 4th all. With the recent release of other "flash at home" systems... I think it's important to point out that we are still the only tuner offering a TRUE flash back to stock option. If a tuner needs to flash your ecu on the bench to allow for port flashing, they are adding low level code to the ecu allowing the ecu to be flashed in a "development mode" there the port. The result is a a TD1 flag that will remain when the ecu is flashed to stock!!!!

If anyone has questions on this, I will gladly field here in this thread!

Hi Tony,

I've tried to do a good amount of research on all of this so I hope I'm not far off from the truth here. I'm very much interested in getting a flash via a flash at home type of option, but at the same time I've got another 2 years of my original warranty plus 2 years of CPO after that. I understand the risks of being tuned, but I want to make sure I'm fully educated so to say on the matter.

At the moment, I believe your flash method doesn't save the original file from the car, correct? Thus, if someone were to flash back they would flash a stock audi file to the car, but not necessarily the last one that was flashed to the car by the Audi dealer?

Also, does your flash system restore the flash counters?

Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions.

[Tony@EPL]

Hi Tony,

I've tried to do a good amount of research on all of this so I hope I'm not far off from the truth here. I'm very much interested in getting a flash via a flash at home type of option, but at the same time I've got another 2 years of my original warranty plus 2 years of CPO after that. I understand the risks of being tuned, but I want to make sure I'm fully educated so to say on the matter.

At the moment, I believe your flash method doesn't save the original file from the car, correct? Thus, if someone were to flash back they would flash a stock audi file to the car, but not necessarily the last one that was flashed to the car by the Audi dealer?

Also, does your flash system restore the flash counters?

Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions.

Sorry for my brief response, I'm resounding from my phone... Too address your 2 points. 1. The flash tool ids both the file ID and version. The file we provide for reflash to stock is 100% identical to what was originally in the car. 2. We do not reset the flash counter.... For a number of reasons.... No name a few I believe it is not tied to the td1, independent repair facility's have access to flash emmissons updates to your car just as the dealer does thus allowing the counter to be incremented with out the dealer knowing, resting the counter to 0 when the proper count should be say 4 not 5 will throw just as much of a "flag" if someone takes the time to look.

Call me Monday if you would like the discuss further!

[bhvrdr]

Tony correct me if I'm wrong but another benefit of your system is that the original flash can be completed via port flash so no need to remove the chastity belt or crack the seal on the ecu right? I'd love to see you guys figure a way to reset the flash counter to what it was pretune as well. Mike

[CinciKid]

Any update on EPL's DSG tune?

[Dudemans4]

I doubt there will be an answer I was told six months ago it was two weeks out

[derek.kritz]

I read on Facebook that they are in the process of moving their shop. I've been trying to get a hold of tony for a couple weeks. No replies. Prob busy with the move. Hopefully there is a response from him soon. I reached out to him about a "specific secrete" fuel request file a couple weeks ago. A fuel that is gaining popularity in the S4 world...and what he said is that he has the file already writtin and is gonna let me try it...[emoji6][emoji3]. He has already ran 10 tanks through of "it" with great results!!! I prob said to much but maybe this will get his attention...[emoji16]


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[boseephuss]

So E85? lol

I am just waiting for confirmation of the flash to take advantage of upgraded cooling systems.

[Dudemans4]

Maybe if we keep on talking they will hear us

[BP11]

+1 for E85 and DSG

[jimrobbington]

Definitely interested in the E85! So far solo is the first with a full e85 tune, but i am not taking my ecu out and shipping it.

I'm hoping to be tuning my car early next year, and EPL looks the most promising to me. Just hoping for more real world experiences and feedback

[Dudemans4]

I've had zero issues with my tune and has performed the same if not better than my friends s4's but the dag is holding the car back first gear hangs no launch control and it has the god awful kickdown feature

[UnaBomber]

Ordered a stage 1 setup yesterday. REally looking forward to it

[BP11]

Definitely interested in the E85! So far solo is the first with a full e85 tune, but i am not taking my ecu out and shipping it.

I'm hoping to be tuning my car early next year, and EPL looks the most promising to me. Just hoping for more real world experiences and feedback

This is my situation as well. Would love to hear more feedback about EPL's offerings, and some more 1/4 mile times.

[boseephuss]

FWIW, they just posted this on FB:

For a limited time we will be offering EPL Stage 2 B8/8.5 Packages with the AMS Performance Boost Cooler System at $2949 for the B8 S4 and $3049 for the B8.5 S4/S5!

[Rez90]

Someone talk me out of Stage 2 and a Roc Euro intake

please......

[derek.kritz]

Someone talk me out of Stage 2 and a Roc Euro intake

please......

Dude, do it. Quite amazing. [emoji106][emoji106][emoji106]


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[derek.kritz]

FWIW, they just posted this on FB:

For a limited time we will be offering EPL Stage 2 B8/8.5 Packages with the AMS Performance Boost Cooler System at $2949 for the B8 S4 and $3049 for the B8.5 S4/S5!

Stupid good deal.


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[sonic32]

Stupid good deal.


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How much is stage 2 and how much is the cooling system?


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[Dudemans4]

Another week down without even a whisper I'm getting super unmotivated with this waiting game.

[boseephuss]

Alpha is usually $1,899 / $1,949 and the tune is usually $1,649 or so if I remember correctly. So you are saving $600 or so.

[derek.kritz]

Another week down without even a whisper I'm getting super unmotivated with this waiting game.

No kidding. Zero communication in a month. Getting a little perturbed. I just need a, "been busy, give me some time" or "in the act of moving, gonna be a little bit" something, ANYTHING!


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[theswoleguy]

Probably going this route soon if he gets a tcu flash available

[Dudemans4]

No kidding. Zero communication in a month. Getting a little perturbed. I just need a, "been busy, give me some time" or "in the act of moving, gonna be a little bit" something, ANYTHING!


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Bro unfortunately I was getting those emails but now nothing.

[bpang1]

Well I traded emails with them a week ago...they seems like they were at a high state of "busy". Still took care of my issue extremely quickly.

I am expecting the S-Tronic Tune will be ready more like in the Fall or Winter.

[derek.kritz]

Well I traded emails with them a week ago...they seems like they were at a high state of "busy". Still took care of my issue extremely quickly.

I am expecting the S-Tronic Tune will be ready more like in the Fall or Winter.

Yes, I understand. I know they are moving. Just would like a reply telling me they are busy. That's all. I come from a world of EXTREMELY, OVER THE TOP customer service. Just expect the same from the businesses I purchase products and service from. Unfortunately, I am rarely impressed. Most often disappointed in it.


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[PitchS4]

Yes, I understand. I know they are moving. Just would like a reply telling me they are busy. That's all. I come from a world of EXTREMELY, OVER THE TOP customer service. Just expect the same from the businesses I purchase products and service from. Unfortunately, I am rarely impressed. Most often disappointed in it.


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Usually they are really good and have a track record of such for years in the B5 community. I'd give them the benefit of the doubt with the move and personnel changes.

[derek.kritz]

Usually they are really good and have a track record of such for years in the B5 community. I'd give them the benefit of the doubt with the move and personnel changes.

I for sure am. Tony is a great guy. Helped my friend out with his tune extensively. Always prompt to get back to him and I very quickly. I'm sure he will respond soon.


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[Tony@EPL]

E85 file formal will be the week of 8/18.

Derek will have access as a beta tester this week!

Move logistics and unexpected volume increases are killing us right now. We tuned 20+ cars last week!

Anyone waiting on emails... Im working on 7/28-29's right now and will be caught up by days end.

[derek.kritz]

E85 file formal will be the week of 8/18.

Derek will have access as a beta tester this week!

Move logistics and unexpected volume increases are killing us right now. We tuned 20+ cars last week!

Anyone waiting on emails... Im working on 7/28-29's right now and will be caught up by days end.

Yeah!!!! Thanks brother. I know u guys got to be slammed. That sir is a good problem...[emoji106][emoji106]


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[mehware]

Talked to Tony today. Stand up guy. Going with stage1 93 file then stage2 with pulley when it ships.

Anyone install a VM on their MacBook to run the EPL software? Should I borrow my buddies window box?

Also when I get the pulley and belt in, is there anyone who I can pay in the Chicago area for cheap or booze? Or at lease does anyone know any shops who won't charge crazy labor rates?

Hope to my stage 1 this weekend. Going to do some squats too to help my butt dyno. The lava will flow!

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[Hofahome]

I would like to chime in that I have been very impressed with Tony and EPL. He has proven to me that he cares about me as a customer, which is very important when it comes to a tuner.
Anyone know where to get an upgraded fuel pump for the E85, besides solowerks since they are backordered?

[derek.kritz]

I would like to chime in that I have been very impressed with Tony and EPL. He has proven to me that he cares about me as a customer, which is very important when it comes to a tuner.
Anyone know where to get an upgraded fuel pump for the E85, besides solowerks since they are backordered?

As far as I know, no pump is needed.


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[mehware]

Also anyone here with stage 1/2. Should I get a new intake? Does it help? Completely stock right now. I don't want to spent an arm and a leg on intake but something functional. Would a new filter be sufficient?

[PitchS4]

Also anyone here with stage 1/2. Should I get a new intake? Does it help? Completely stock right now. I don't want to spent an arm and a leg on intake but something functional. Would a new filter be sufficient?

Intake and exhaust on this car are really for sound more then anything. It will help slightly but the bang for the buck isn't huge.

[Tony@EPL]

Intake and exhaust on this car are really for sound more then anything. It will help slightly but the bang for the buck isn't huge.

We've yet to test an exhaust that's made more then ~5 wheel hps.... however a GOOD OPEN ELEMENT intake tests very well on the dyno. Most closed boxes do not test well, however my guess is with actual road speed they will perform well.

For what its worth.... the "Darintake" mod (google it) also works well on these cars and is free!

[AZT]

We've yet to test an exhaust that's made more then ~5 wheel hps.... however a GOOD OPEN ELEMENT intake tests very well on the dyno. Most closed boxes do not test well, however my guess is with actual road speed they will perform well.

For what its worth.... the "Darintake" mod (google it) also works well on these cars and is free!

Tony, are you referring to removing that air diverter wall in the airbox opening, or simply drilling a large hole in the bottom/front of airbox (that was the Darintake mod I remember on the B5).

[PitchS4]

We've yet to test an exhaust that's made more then ~5 wheel hps.... however a GOOD OPEN ELEMENT intake tests very well on the dyno. Most closed boxes do not test well, however my guess is with actual road speed they will perform well.

For what its worth.... the "Darintake" mod (google it) also works well on these cars and is free!

This is what I did. It was a B5 term for drilling holes in your airbox. I drilled out the circle at the bottom of my airbox and got an AFE filter.

[mehware]

If I get the AFE Pro Dry filter does the EPL tune just adapt or does ECU or tunes not care as air is just an input?

[derek.kritz]

If I get the AFE Pro Dry filter does the EPL tune just adapt or does ECU or tunes not care as air is just an input?

Tony will ask about all the mods on your car before he tunes it. I don't know if he makes slight adjustments or not. Just let him know about it.


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[mehware]

Tony will ask about all the mods on your car before he tunes it. I don't know if he makes slight adjustments or not. Just let him know about it.


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Awesome! Thanks.

[Hofahome]

Also anyone here with stage 1/2. Should I get a new intake? Does it help? Completely stock right now. I don't want to spent an arm and a leg on intake but something functional. Would a new filter be sufficient?

I am stage II. Absolutely upgrade the intake. ask me how I know.

[mehware]

I am stage II. Absolutely upgrade the intake. ask me how I know.

How do you know? The whole intake? Is just the filter fine for stage 1?

[Hofahome]

Not sure about stage I. I had the eurocode intake which still uses stock airbox and threw a PO235 boost code consistantly after stage II. Drilled out the side of the airbox and it did not come back. I ended up buying the USP intake though because I wanted a ton of supercharger whine. Not to plug this thread but I have the ecode intake up for sale in the classifides if you are interested. Either way good luck.

[shoe3k]

Not sure about stage I. I had the eurocode intake which still uses stock airbox and threw a PO171 boost code consistantly after stage II. Drilled out the side of the airbox and it did not come back.

Isn't that a lean condition, which could be from the result of unmetered air entering the engine?

[PitchS4]

I had the eurocode intake which still uses stock airbox and threw a PO171 boost code consistantly after stage II. Drilled out the side of the airbox and it did not come back.

This doesn't make any sense. If you couldn't get enough air into the system it wouldn't be lean...

[Hofahome]

This doesn't make any sense. If you couldn't get enough air into the system it wouldn't be lean...

For some reason I had it in my head that it was that code, but I updated it to the right code (looked back at a pic I took from Carista). Sorry for the confusion. Good catch guys. Must have been in my head from my A4 days I guess.

[Dudemans4]

Is this e85 tune gonna be 100% or half and half or do we know

[derek.kritz]

Is this e85 tune gonna be 100% or half and half or do we know

From what Tony told me it is 100%. Just waiting to hear back from him. Tony???[emoji16][emoji16][emoji16]


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[doug97gxe]

From what Tony told me it is 100%. Just waiting to hear back from him. Tony???[emoji16][emoji16][emoji16]


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He is on vacation this week .. I just left the shop

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[derek.kritz]

He is on vacation this week .. I just left the shop

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I figured. And well deserved. I know they have been getting their butts kicked over there.


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[sigaddict]

Is there anyone at the shop answering phone calls or emails?

[jimrobbington]

Is it also easily switchable back to an unleaded map? For those cases where you just can't find an e85 station...

[derek.kritz]

Is it also easily switchable back to an unleaded map? For those cases where you just can't find an e85 station...

Very easy. Just plug in with laptop. Within the program it will tell u available maps. Right now I have OEM and 91 octane. As soon as I get the e85 it will show all three. Just select the one you want and press enter. The ecu is then programs. Takes about 15 seconds for it to finish. [emoji106][emoji106]


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[Loe]

Hi, i emailed sales@epl last week as per their FB page without a reply. I'm trying to order, is there a better method?

**EDIT** nevermind saw that Tony is away this week.

[Hofahome]

Hi, i emailed sales@epl last week as per their FB pagr without a reply. I'm trying to order, is there a better method?

Call, but he is on vacation as of last week so you may be waiting a bit.

[doug97gxe]

Is there anyone at the shop answering phone calls or emails?

i was actually in the office while the phone was ringing.. since Tony is on vacation this week the tech's are the only ones in the shop and they are working on cars.. i would say wait till tony is back next week

[Loe]

Call, but he is on vacation as of last week so you may be waiting a bit.

awesome, can't wait to flash. This is so much more convenient and what I've been used to on my previous BMW platforms w/ the flash-at-home without rising suspicions during service work.

[jimrobbington]

Very easy. Just plug in with laptop. Within the program it will tell u available maps. Right now I have OEM and 91 octane. As soon as I get the e85 it will show all three. Just select the one you want and press enter. The ecu is then programs. Takes about 15 seconds for it to finish. [emoji106][emoji106]


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Nice, thx!

[Tuned4Rings]

Very easy. Just plug in with laptop. Within the program it will tell u available maps. Right now I have OEM and 91 octane. As soon as I get the e85 it will show all three. Just select the one you want and press enter. The ecu is then programs. Takes about 15 seconds for it to finish. [emoji106][emoji106]


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EPL only has one octane flash Tony did not make a flash different for 91 and 93. I live in Florida and we have 93 Tony told me ECU will adjust. E85 once released will be the only other octane that I know of from EPL for the Audi B8.5 at least.

[RynoS4]

you sure? ordering my tune I specified ill be using 94 oct, in the EPL software my available map states 93 oct.

[derek.kritz]

EPL only has one octane flash Tony did not make a flash different for 91 and 93. I live in Florida and we have 93 Tony told me ECU will adjust. E85 once released will be the only other octane that I know of from EPL for the Audi B8.5 at least.

Hmm. Don't know about the 93 and 91 but I know there is a 100 and 104 octane as well. This is for the b8 though. Maybe he hasn't got to the different octanes for the 8.5 yet.


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[DKo5]

Tony specifically hooked me up with a CA 91 stage 1 for my B8.5

[Loe]

I'm very interested to hear more on the E85 map (even an E85 mix map if possible). I have a few stations in my area and would love to experiment like I did on my 335i (N54). Can't wait til Tony gets back so he can take my money [drive]

[Dudemans4]

well this is supposed to be the release week for the e85 map. hopefully there will be a dsg file as well.

[theswoleguy]

Yea man dsg file would be sweet

[Dudemans4]

fingers crossed

[theswoleguy]

I'll buy as soon as that happens. The flash from home and dsg is winning me over

[Dudemans4]

its a badass tune you will be happy for sure.

[Tuned4Rings]

I do not recall Tony saying anything about DSG being released this week but just like all of you I hope as well, only thing missing right now from my car is the DSG tune.

[Dudemans4]

I do not recall Tony saying anything about DSG being released this week but just like all of you I hope as well, only thing missing right now from my car is the DSG tune.

he didnt but i would hope that he would have finished the dsg file before he started the e85 file. i may be asking for to much though.

[theswoleguy]

he didnt but i would hope that he would have finished the dsg file before he started the e85 file. i may be asking for to much though.
One would hope but probably a little more involved than tweaking some base maps for more fuel and timing. (Simplified version I know it's a hair more complicated lol )