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Davdraco1
02-09-2015, 04:33 AM
As the title states, does anyone use one? I recently sat in a buddy's drag car which had one and I love the feel. Any suggestions?

M-Hood
02-09-2015, 08:44 AM
There are kits out there that are meant to be used with a stock type seat, you can mount them to the bolt holes that are located between the top/bottom of the rear seats. That is where I used to have my 4 point harness mounted to before I put my 10 point cage in.

jmcwayne808
02-09-2015, 01:58 PM
I got a scroth harness super easy install and able to put it on and take it Off in a manner of minutes.

Davdraco1
02-09-2015, 02:21 PM
i thought about getting this: http://www.gforce.com/products/harness/6000.php
i really want a cam lock but they are about 150$.
Where should i mount it to?

B-Time
02-09-2015, 02:52 PM
i thought about getting this: http://www.gforce.com/products/harness/6000.php
i really want a cam lock but they are about 150$.
Where should i mount it to?

You need a roll bar or cage and a racing seat. Those latches are a pain in the ass to buckle and more difficult to release. Cam lock is the way to go.

Davdraco1
02-09-2015, 03:04 PM
my buddies mother has a 65' chevelle drag car with the cam lock and I sat in the car for 20 mins with the belts on. im looking at seats now. are there any bolt ins that are popular and relatively cheap?

Koldham
02-09-2015, 04:06 PM
doesnt ecs sell one that works with the stock seat and no cage. i think you just have to install a female belt buckle on the outside of the seat and thats it. i forget what it costs tho.

its Schroth brand $250 from ecs

Davdraco1
02-09-2015, 04:38 PM
Yea they do. I feel like it's over priced tho

M-Hood
02-09-2015, 06:23 PM
Sounds like what your looking for is a 3 point or 4 point harness like Schroth and Sparco offer.


http://www.schrothracing.com/tuning


http://www.sparcousa.com/catalog/vehicle/harnesses&type=street



Here is the Sparco 3 point harness for a OEM seat, it is only $105.
http://www.sparcousa.com/product/2-inch-3pt-bolt

Davdraco1
02-09-2015, 06:59 PM
That's sparco is nice. Where would I bolt the top to though?

bhusted
02-09-2015, 07:54 PM
You really should not install a racing harness in a car without a cage and appropriate seat. The design of the original seat belt is to allow passengers to shift inward and downward, toward the center of the car. In the event of a rollover collision, you can be trapped/crushed in the seat with 4 or 5 point harness.

M-Hood
02-10-2015, 01:42 PM
That's sparco is nice. Where would I bolt the top to though?

If you lift the bottom of your rear seat you will find a few threaded holes that you can use.



You really should not install a racing harness in a car without a cage and appropriate seat. The design of the original seat belt is to allow passengers to shift inward and downward, toward the center of the car. In the event of a rollover collision, you can be trapped/crushed in the seat with 4 or 5 point harness.



OEM stock seats can collapse back not just forward. The type of harness he is looking can be used for the stock seats, but should only really be used at a track event not on the street. But Schroth actually offers a "Smart" harness that kind of works like the OEM seat belts.

http://www.schrothracing.com/pimg/11011.jpg

http://www.schrothracing.com/tuning/autocontrol/autocontrol-II

I ran my 4 point harness with my race seats in my A4 for about 8 years before I put a cage in my car, but even then I still only used the harness at the track and the stock seat belt on the street.

Corrado_Guy
02-11-2015, 07:25 PM
I run a shell seat and a 3 point harness in my Corrado and it is one of the best things you can do to hold you in place. Whether you are braking hard or ripping into a corner you do not shift or move and you don't have to try bracing yourself to stop from shifting. The first hard braking corner I came to I was sold, there is nothing like the feel. I have long arms and can reach all of the controls so I used the fixed belts without the inertia reel which really pins you in place.

When looking at belts you need to decide how you will use them because they are all not the same. The DOT belts typically have a stiffer weave and do better for UV breakdown but they are designed for crashes at lower speeds. The FIA rated belts are softer because they allow for more stretch at higher speeds to try and release some of that energy without it going through you. FIA style race belts also break down quicker and need to be replaced more often which is another factor.

I run a 3 point DOT approved belt and I mounted the lap belt in steel places riding in the outside seat rails like the OEM and then I used the rear drivers side passengers upper belt mounting point for my shoulder belt. If you run belts without a cage or belt bar then nobody should be sitting behind you so you lose one seating position. As it was pointed out you do take a risk in some situations running these belts. Because you are pinned to the seat and can't slide out you may get hurt if you have a really bad rollover accident. If you rear end something really hard or have someone head on you then you may not be able to duck whereas you may have been able to with stock. If you are running a proper shell seat with the belts you do get a lot of support and it is rare for the seat to collapse. If you do run a cage then always keep in mind if your head is anything less than at least 6" then you should also be wearing a helmet or you take a good chance of hurting yourself.

You are pretty much screwed any way you look at it so pick your poison and deal with it. I have been driving for over 30 years and I have destroyed more cars than I remember and I have only rolled a car once and I really had to work at it. I have been running a shell seat in my Corrado for over 10 years now and I am on my third set of belts and no issues. The DOT belts have a standard buckle and the shoulder belts are part of the lap belt on each side so they can be a pain to get in and out of. You don't quickly jump in your car and rip off because you have to strap yourself in first and then tightened the belts. I set the lap belt a decade ago and just squeeze it on so I never adjust that one and only have to do the shoulder belts. You can't drive with a long jacket or a winter jacket because they are hard to work around the belts so this can be an issue in winter.