Anyone here using acetone in their fuel for better economy & power??

[Jer]

I've been doing some research and there is a lot of info out there. Some are claiming as much as 34% better fuel economy with 3-4mpg increase being average along with better idle, more power and smoother acceleration with anywhere between 1-3oz per 10/gal of fuel. Others still noted how well the acetone cleaned up carbon deposits on their higher mileage engines which could also play a part. Supposedly the acetone allows for the surface tension of the fuel to be decreased to allow for better atomization and more thorough combustion and burn off for better power and a cleaner burning engine.

I'm going to test it in the wife's A6 (4.2L V8 300hp/300lb ft and gets 18.2mpg avg) an ounce per tank (20gal) at a time and see where it goes up and down. From the sounds of it people test it and go up an ounce per tank until the economy goes back down and then fine tune the mixture between that and the previous dosage. It should also be noted that those that run alcohol (for instance my Typhoon that has methanol injection) haven't noticed any increase in performance as the affects of the acetone are already in place. Seems to me that any NA engine could benefit from this if it's legit. Perhaps this gas price hike is just what we need to start looking into better ways to conserve fuels and alternate fueling methods.

Now, obviously this can eat away more sensitive of fuel system parts over time such as injectors (unless you use the high-end ones used by racers who run methanol) and lines and what not. The only question is at what amount and how much damage. There are people who claim to run these lower amounts for tens of thousands of miles with no ill effect recorded.

Here's one of the sites with info including lots of entries from those who have tested and are currently testing amounts and recording findings:

Click me (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Acetone_as_a_Fuel_Additive)

There are others yet that have good info but it seems like most of these are very 'anti-petroleum and oil companies' as a whole.

With that in mind, here's another:

Click me (http://www.lubedev.com/smartgas/additive.htm [url=)

I did a quick search and couldn't find anything so let's make this the official thread.

[Andrew A4]

Actually a very good topic... and it just happens that a friend and I have gotton together with a miliitary contractor who is producing a recently declassified octane booster which does just what we're talking about. The military has been using the product for over 15 years now in their gasoline overseas as well as at home to boost octane and power, increase gas mileage, and to clean and protect engine components. The military developed it originally because of the poor quality of gasoline in various parts of the world and the wear and tear it causes to engine components because of improper combustion (pinging)

We are currently in the process of getting distribution deals solidified with the producer and our first two online retailers who are going to be selling the product. So for now, i can only tell you guys about a few things about it. I cannot disclose the name, producing company, or the prospective retailers. I also don't have a solid price on it.


Here is what i can tell you about it:

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- Reduce your fuel consumption up to 20% (depends on engines efficiency, vehicle weight, displacement, forced or normally asparated induction)


- Raise the Octane of the fuel by 9 points (Yes... this is 100% truthful. I was doubtful at first so we tested the product in my business partners 2004 Subaru WRX. Recently he had it pro-tuned at Harman Motive here in SoCal and they created two programs for his car. One for 91 octane gasoline and one for race fuel. The dynograph below is showing the two finalized fuel maps as well as the "cobbstg2.5" map which was his old software which sucked. We ran roughly 95 octane for the 'race fuel map' because he already had 91 octane fuel in his car and had to mix it with 100 octane race fuel and they tuned the car with roughly 95 octane fuel and based the final 100 octane software on the results they got with 95 octane. Running 95 octane and the race map, the car pinged and ran pretty ragged. The next day he put a full tank of 100 octane in it and it performed far superior.


http://www.kalionzes.com/booster/WRXHarmanDyno.jpg


So... long story short, yesterday he was out of gas and added 3 ounces of this octane booster to his fuel tank, and filled it with 91 octane. Running the 100 octane race map, the car ran exactly the same if not better than it did when running VP 100 Octane Race Fuel. No pinging, surging, misfires (he had his laptop plugged in to run diagnostics)This also means that if your car needs 91 octane, you can go down to 87 octane and save an additional .20 -.30 cents)

- Increase your horsepower 10% (depends on engines efficiency, vehicle weight, displacement, forced or normally asparated induction)

- Reduce emission by up to 66% (depends on engines efficiency, vehicle weight, displacement, forced or normally asparated induction)

(You'll never have to worry about passing CA emissions test again, unless your vehicle has a major mechanical problem)

- Completely cleans your fuel tank, fuel system, and engine.

- Extend your upper engine life up to 90%
(This is one of the most unique benefits. It produces a lubricant that is a byproduct of the combustion process. The lubricant coats your injectors, piston, and cylinder liners reducing heat, friction and wear. No one can do this!)

- Treatment and Cost:

1 ounce treats 6 gallons of Gas. - Super Concentrated.

You simply add every time you fill up. Takes an extra 10 seconds at the pump.


The samples we recieved treat 48 gallons of fuel (3 tanks for my car) and gives your gasoline a 9 point boost in octane.


As for real price... its not definate. But we're working on keeping it affordable so it's cost effective for people who need 91 octane but want to save money by going with 87 octane and adding the booster.... and still keeeping the overall cost of the gasoline + booster less than 91 octane's price.


This will also be very appealing to the auto enthusiast crowd like myself since i can still buy 91 octane gasoline, and boost it with 3 ounces of product to an octane level of 100. Two weeks ago I ran 100 octane VP race fuel in my Audi, my chip is optimized for 93 octane and it ran amazingly better than with 91 octane... where i occasionally get pinging. Today i ran out of the expensive as hell race fuel, and put in 3 ounces of our booster for my first time... and it ran exactly the same as it did with the race gas. Super smooth and powerful acceleration, excellent mileage, zero pinging even in 90'f temps and having wide open throttle.


This product would greatly benefit the race crowd who currently have to pay over $6.00 per gallon to get 100 or 104 octane VP gasoline. If all works out well and we get this stuff on the market and into some magazines for publicity... we can really take a lot of business away from the big gasoline companies who rape auto enthusiasts by charging so much for high octane fuel.



There is only one downside... its still going to be a while before we can start selling it. Retailers need to get on board and hopefully i'll be able to get something written about it in Euro-Tuner or another automotive magazine owned by Primedia since a friends father writes articles for Street Trucks Magazine. As you can tell, i'm pretty excited about this product. You guys may have doubts, but hopefully next week we're going to have the WRX back on the dyno but this time we'll be running 91 octane with 3 ounces of our octane booster to compare it to the data we got when he tuned the car two weeks ago.

And for a nice visual aid... here is one of the samples I recieved. Amazing that this little bottle can treat 48 gallons of gasoline!

http://www.kalionzes.com/booster/OctaneBooster.jpg




Update: Tonight I filled up with 87 octane fuel at 76 and only used 1/2 does (1.5oz) of this product as a test to see if my car would run like hell but like I had predicted, it ran like a champ. Even better than regular 91 octane at the 76 station.


I'm going to keep this forum informed as deals get taken care of and we can bring this product to the market for both people who want to save money by buying 87 octane and adding a little boost to make it around 91 octane or for you race fuel guys who spend a fortune on 100 octane... when our product will get you to this amount of octane for a fraction of the cost of moving from 91 octane to 100 octane.... with all the same benefits as 100 octane race fuel + more.

[Skippster86]

Thanks for the info! good read.

[HazeJz36]

If this gas price crap doenst clear up soon im going to use acetylene....

[Jer]

Thanks for the info Andrew A4. I think I would be interested in some of the long term affects of acetone as well as your product. From a benefit standpoint I have all the tools to test them for myself but as far as time... that's something I can't reproduce is 20 years of testing before I begin testing the positive in my own vehicles.

[MKGIY]

I am very interested to see how this works out.

Mike

[duffman1101]

very interesting... the military story is plausible, but i've never heard anything about it. cool stuff... i would've thought one of the big oil companies would've figured something like that out tho.

good luck, and if you play your cards right, you could hit jackpot with this.

[Andrew A4]

Originally posted by duffman1101
very interesting... the military story is plausible, but i've never heard anything about it. cool stuff... i would've thought one of the big oil companies would've figured something like that out tho.


Why would the big oil companies market a product like this? It could kill their huge profits selling 91 octane gas (just add a 1/3 dose and you're at 91 octane running 87 octane fuel) or even VP Race Fuel which costs like $6.00 or so per gallon. One treatment to get a full 9 octane boost is going to retail for around $10.00. Cutting $20 or so off the final price to get 100 octane fuel in most cars with 14-16 gallon tanks.



good luck, and if you play your cards right, you could hit jackpot with this.

We're trying to play our cards right in order to provide a great product all while making our own money and saving the consumer money at the same time.

[Andrew A4]

I'm currently running 87 octane fuel with this booster and it runs like a champ. Better than with 91 octane for certain. :)

[imola_Jon]

keep us posted on your testing, it sounds like it could be promising!





Originally posted by Andrew A4
Why would the big oil companies market a product like this? It could kill their huge profits selling 91 octane gas (just add a 1/3 dose and you're at 91 octane running 87 octane fuel) it could be cheaper for them to 'upgrade' their own 87 & market it as premium gas, instead of producing a traditional 91

[Grouse]

I'm definately interested in this, I am also willing to help test if you wish.

[Hassmeister]

Yeah, me too! Send me some.

[Kruat]

I'd be insterested also.

[A4 TSCHUSS]

that sounds pretty cool, could save a nice chunk of change

[EuroTall]

Acetone deteriorates and dissolves rubber....

What happens to the O-rings, fuel hoses etc... in the fuel system of your Audi ?
Yes it's a very diluted mix since you only use 1 oz per 6 gallons but long term effects ..unknown, or ?

I did some reading on this subject via Google search and opinions are mixed ...some love this idea and swear by it, and some are more cautious on acetone's effects.
Results are undeniable...it does work...reduces emissions, and improves gas mileage up to 30% (which is just incredible), but side effects might not be something you want if it eats up rubber parts in your fuel system.
I'm skeptical until it's proven to me that there is no harmful side-effects longterm.

[gods_kitchen]

Wow! That some good info! Sounds promising, but the 'dissolve rubber' part kinna worries me. Anyway, good luck with the product and I'm looking forward to try it out one day~

[SeanF]

i would like info too!

id be interested in purchasing asap

[LEDFoot]

No, but my mom used to use acetone to clean off her nail polish. Does that help?

[maxh2o]

The acetone debate has been beaten senseless on AW over the years.

Yes I can see the benefits of added HP and fuel economy, but at what cost. Acetone is a rather strong solvent (yeah, its that stuff your GF uses to take the nail polish off her fingernails) and I'm not sure I want to introduce that stuff into my engine's rubberized components at any time.

I'll err on the side of caution for this one.

[A4_Andre]

yeah, my boss is on AW and has been doing the acetone thing for some time with his A8... he is happy with the results.

[Nor_Cal_Driver]

Originally posted by A4_Andre
yeah, my boss is on AW and has been doing the acetone thing for some time with his A8... he is happy with the results.

So, can we use store bought acetone or?

[offroader1006]

hate to burst anyones bubble, but a LOT of gas stations here are selling premium on every pump, youre just getting more for your money if you buy regular. i talked to a friend that owns a station and he told me about it, then i started asking others. ive only come across one in the past 5 fill ups that didnt have premium in the regular tank.

the 87 octane supply is still really low from the whole gas craze last month. so you may not even be getting 87 octane.

not sure if this is just in SC, but i would ask.

[SeanF]

wouldnt that be illegal for them to market 3 different gasses at different prices, and then be givign you the same gas no matter which you pay for?

i realize that sure, you could pay for 87 and get 93, but what about for those that pay for 93, they are gouging the price on 93 if they are able to sell it for what the 87 is going for...

[Jer]

Originally posted by 1.8.se7en
wouldnt that be illegal for them to market 3 different gasses at different prices, and then be givign you the same gas no matter which you pay for?

i realize that sure, you could pay for 87 and get 93, but what about for those that pay for 93, they are gouging the price on 93 if they are able to sell it for what the 87 is going for...

I can't speak to if what he's saying is correct or not but so long as they're giving everyone better gas than that they're selling I doubt that would be illegal. Now, if I paid for and put premium gas in my car and ended up getting 85 then I would be pissed as all get out and I think that's what they're saying would be illegal.

I just fail to see how a gas station could benefit from putting preium in all their tanks. I don't see how this would do anything but cost them money ultimately and I seriously doubt there was any kind of a shortage in regular gas. The prices of gas are affected by oil futures... which means that they are predicting the value of oil to be in the future. Now way anyone is running out of any grade of gasoline.... especially on a national basis.

[SeanF]

but im saying gouging gas prices is illegal, all the gas stations were on heavy watch looking for stations ripping people off... if they can sell 93 at 2.89 (the cost of 87 gas) then they need to be selling it at that... rather than selling 93 at 2.89, 93 at 2.99 and 93 at 3.09

[VtAudi]

I'm a believer on the Acetone!!!!!! I tryed it, added 5oz per 15 gal of gas and I'm getting at least 30% increase in MPG. Noramall I get 350 per tank, I'm already at 440 w/ a bit over a 1/4 tank left.

[Jer]

Originally posted by VtAudi
I'm a believer on the Acetone!!!!!! I tryed it, added 5oz per 15 gal of gas and I'm getting at least 30% increase in MPG. Noramall I get 350 per tank, I'm already at 440 w/ a bit over a 1/4 tank left.

Try a few tanks and report back. I got no significant changes in the 4.2L V8.

[dramaticstatic]

Oh geez this thing again.
Acetone really doesn't do much, outside of upset the chemical balance of the gas already in your tank and eat away at the rubber seals. If you do find you get improved gas mileage it's most likely because you're doing it yourself if you realize it or not, by being lighter on the throttle. You have to do a double blind test of that sort of thing.

There is no miracle gas additive. I could say go dump a bottle of windex in your tank, it impoves gas milage by 35%. Really as long as you believe that and it doesn't destroy your engine, you subconscieous is going to make those claims true.

[SBGirl]

Tried it. It actually reduced my mileage by about 10%

[audia]

tornado fuel saver:
http://ricksdistribution.com/Quickstart/ImageLib/Torn1.jpg

[rolleyes]

[Jer]

Originally posted by audia
tornado fuel saver:
http://ricksdistribution.com/Quickstart/ImageLib/Torn1.jpg

[rolleyes]

Now that thing is worthless. No tests needed (but there are plenty in case you did)

[Nor_Cal_Driver]

That thing is useless, but I'll bet you can find tests that prove it works