Revo 1+ scheduled for tomorrow

[cobrario]

Scheduled for 1+ @ Revo HQ (which conveniently is only about 20 minutes from me) tomorrow AM. Excited but trepidatious about the possibility of being flagged- Revo's close proximity will be helpful for flash back when need to have dealer service but I'm curious if anyone has done that and still gotten flagged.

Regards,

[MYFASTA4]

omg like the night before x-mas ;-), as far as I know if you go back and they flash you back to stock the dealer wont know.

[infinkc]

they will only know cause you posted here.

[13ttaz]

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[javinos]

Scheduled for 1+ @ Revo HQ (which conveniently is only about 20 minutes from me) tomorrow AM. Excited but trepidatious about the possibility of being flagged- Revo's close proximity will be helpful for flash back when need to have dealer service but I'm curious if anyone has done that and still gotten flagged.

Regards,

Keep us posted on the progress...

I'm sure Revo can give you more info on your concern..

[Shamu]

Apparently even with flashing back 100% stock (ie not just the stock setting in the SPS, but a full flash back), the dealer can still know based on the checksum not adding up to the original configuration from factory. I hope I'm wrong and perhaps Revo can chime in?

[OnEaNgRyBuNnY]

TD1 cannot void your warranty in and of itself. Please look into applicable laws and acts regarding warranty. Even if stated in the warranty terms and conditions, law in the jurisdiction supersedes any contract language of any kind. My understanding is that THEY must PROVE that the modification damaged the part in question. PROVE, not theorize. True, this often takes a lot of pushing, but knowing the law is your friend [:D] I'm no lawyer and i make no guarantees, but i've been around the block before...

[AZT]

My understanding is that THEY must PROVE that the modification damaged the part in question. PROVE, not theorize. True, this often takes a lot of pushing, but knowing the law is your friend [:D] I'm no lawyer and i make no guarantees, but i've been around the block before...

This is technically true, although proof can be subjective and the dealer can just deny anyway. Then what do you do? Well then you have to get a 3rd party to lean on them which can require significant time and money. First you protest to AoA, and if that gets nowhere filing formal complaints with the FTC and/or state attorney general may get them to reconsider - ultimately you may have to hire a lawyer and take legal action. Of course most people don't take it anywhere near that far and that's how they can get away it.

[cobrario]

I searched and searched and the opinions vary - since no one has replied indicating they've flashed back to stock and been flagged anyway I'm guessing it has yet to happen. In the end I trusted Jeff and the Revo team gave me good information along with their excellent service thus 1+ has been completed.

[LINDW4LL]

I searched and searched and the opinions vary - since no one has replied indicating they've flashed back to stock and been flagged anyway I'm guessing it has yet to happen. In the end I trusted Jeff and the Revo team gave me good information along with their excellent service thus 1+ has been completed.
Correct. There have been zero cases of that happening on Audizine.

[Shamu]

So no cases on AZ where someone tuned, flashed back to stock (not SPS-type switching but full stock flash) and got td1'd? Not being a dick but very keen on experiences as this is literally the only thing holding me back from pulling the trigger...

[LINDW4LL]

So no cases on AZ where someone tuned, flashed back to stock (not SPS-type switching but full stock flash) and got td1'd?
Correct.

But tuning is always a risk. Audi could come out with a new detection tool tomorrow... You never know. (Not that I expect that to happen- but always possible).

Also remember that TD1 is just a flag for closer review when major warranty claims are made. Being tuned does not automatically void your warranty. On top of that, these cars are super reliable.


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[OnEaNgRyBuNnY]

This is technically true, although proof can be subjective and the dealer can just deny anyway. Then what do you do? Well then you have to get a 3rd party to lean on them which can require significant time and money. First you protest to AoA, and if that gets nowhere filing formal complaints with the FTC and/or state attorney general may get them to reconsider - ultimately you may have to hire a lawyer and take legal action. Of course most people don't take it anywhere near that far and that's how they can get away it.

What you're saying is true if they play hardball, but there is a duty of good faith and if they violate that, they will open themselves to punitive damages in addition to the special damages and court/lawyer fees they would have to otherwise pay. I'd think a letter from a lawyer would be more than enough in most cases. That should take less than an hour and a few hundred $$. And for a $50k+ car, I'd think it'd all be worth it. Time is money and it'll add up quick for these guys since they are the ones who would have to provide the engineers and all that to prove their case. If this thing got before a judge and certainly a jury and they saw that whoever the company was simply said "we don't think we owe but we did nothing to prove that and now the case is here, even though we have the burden of proof" i'm pretty sure they'd be completely screwed. What this tells me is that if they make a wise business decision, they'll pay unless and until it is plain to see that the damage was caused by a mod. With an ECU tune, this would be impossible to do in a reasonable price range and the alternative of replacing whatever is destroyed at cost would most certainly be less. I really don't think it would be that hard to get them to pay up as long as you know the laws and how to swim in the legal system.

Also, in my experience with engineers and such, proof is rarely and even then, barely, subjective when you have engineers and metallurgists involved. And what happens in the case where it's ambiguous? That does not fulfill the burden of proof and the warranty is upheld. Again, this is all just my understanding and I'm no authority on the matter nor is this professional advice but only a hypothetical scenario.

I hear what you're saying and totally get it. To most people, this is beyond daunting. What i'm saying is, with some education, it doesn't have to be. And the info is out there and free.

[cobrario]

To get beyond the less entertaining aspect of getting a tune (i.e. TD1), I have to say it's money well spent. I opted for 1+ incl. DSG, only item omitted is the file switcher so I left with a static 93 tune. Performance change is very noticeable, tipping the throttle even momentarily will easily get you in trouble. I have no other mods and don't plan any. I do plan on one trip to the track just to see what the car does- I'm guessing that will happen early spring so I'll report back what my otherwise unmodded Revo 1+ car can run.

[OnEaNgRyBuNnY]

Please do let us know when you do, always excited to hear results!