APR is listening..

[hodrosS42001]

Sharing on their Facebook page... Dsg software.


https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10152502538780356&id=75900685355&ref=m_notif&notif_t=group_comment_reply

[Rez90]

Cool. I have a 6 speed.

[maxmil2224]

Nice find. Glad to see that the APR DSG software may be one step further from actually being vaporware.

[Joe85sti]

2 weeks...

Really surprised I was the first to write that.

[S4_Pilot]

Looking forward to this. Will be a nice addition to my Stage 2 tune.

[Sales@DriveAuto]

Excited to see this is almost ready. The APR DSG tunes for the other cars are great - this should be a great upgrade for the S4.

[cspcrx]

Great news. Be interesting to see if this will be enough to put APR back on top of the 1/4 again. That is of course when it is released.

[will13k7]

want

[Usa]

Looked like it was shifting around 7100? Wow. Hope its still safe for our cars :)

[LINDW4LL]

It's not like they just suddenly decided to make a DSG tune. They've said for a long time that they were working on it. Their execution is just slow.

[rs4dreams]

Looked like it was shifting around 7100? Wow. Hope its still safe for our cars :)

Fuel cut for 6MT cars is 7200, so the engine should be fine.

[jazza08]

And GIAC's DSG tune changes the shifts to 7200rpm in auto mode as well!

[Deckdout2]

I'm looking forward to this.....ijs.

[mr shickadance]

hah, never.

I no longer trust them as a company. I would never put an $11,000 transmission in their hands and trust them not to grenade it. I would be very curious if they started having problems who they would put the blame on this time? maybe GIAC?

[blackbenzz]

They are listening? LOWER YOUR PRICES

[infinkc]

They are listening? LOWER YOUR PRICES

they have lawyers to pay

[blackbenzz]

they have lawyers to pay

Ok then let me rephrase that. LOWER YOUR PRICES AND DON'T MAKE PRODUCTS THAT GO BOOM!

[RudyH]

It's not like they just suddenly decided to make a DSG tune. They've said for a long time that they were working on it. Their execution is just slow.

In a different thread - they noted they lost on of their engineers working on this, half way during the development to a F1 team. No doubt the re-org didn't help neither.

[FLYINGLEGGS]

Companies are like people. Everyone makes mistakes. The difference with companies is that there mistakes usually get made public and blown out of proportion. APR has made mistakes, sometimes at the "corporate" level, sometimes with individual employees. Time for everyone to freaking move on. APR has made some incredible products and had some great service the majority of the time.
OP, great find, this should be kick ass.

[mr shickadance]

Companies are like people. Everyone makes mistakes. The difference with companies is that there mistakes usually get made public and blown out of proportion. APR has made mistakes, sometimes at the "corporate" level, sometimes with individual employees. Time for everyone to freaking move on. APR has made some incredible products and had some great service the majority of the time.
OP, great find, this should be kick ass.


by all means go buy apr stuff if you feel comfortable with it. I will not, they lost a customer for an indefinite period. I am not out on them entirely, companies can turn it around, but right now, at this very moment, there is no way I would buy their products.

You would be a fool to not factor in a company's history of fuck ups when buying something that could potentially result in a low 5 figure mechanic bill.

[RudyH]

You would be a fool to not factor in a company's history of fuck ups when buying something that could potentially result in a low 5 figure mechanic bill.

sorry what is their history of screw ups resulting in mechanical issues? I missed that part...

I know for a fact APR runs a much more conservative tune then others from my experience on say the 2.7T platform where I came from resulting on longer lasting turbos. I didn't have a their tune on that platform and needed to replace my K03's...but well the K04's were nice...

[usmc1994]

sorry what is their history of screw ups resulting in mechanical issues? I missed that part...

I know for a fact APR runs a much more conservative tune then others from my experience on say the 2.7T platform where I came from resulting on longer lasting turbos. I didn't have a their tune on that platform and needed to replace my K03's...but well the K04's were nice...

I have waited long enough, no DSG tune by Spring (SO WE CAN ENJOY IT) then I will pay for another tune GIAC with DSG, NOT TO MENTION[headbang], ITS B8 ONLY! B8.5 to follow god knows when.

[zps123]

lol unliked their page couple weeks ago

[mr shickadance]

sorry what is their history of screw ups resulting in mechanical issues? I missed that part...

I know for a fact APR runs a much more conservative tune then others from my experience on say the 2.7T platform where I came from resulting on longer lasting turbos. I didn't have a their tune on that platform and needed to replace my K03's...but well the K04's were nice...

1) the exhaust debacle
2) multiple instances of tunes not 'taking' or resulting in worse or at best, normal performance (as in, 0 gain from chipping)
3) snub mounts disintegrating
4) yellowing of their $400 CAI
5) supercharger upgrade and engine trouble as a result

I mean there is a lot of things APR screwed enough to be a little wary of their products. However, despite all of that, it's their complete lack of customer support regarding the matter that is a turn-off for me.

Companies like JHM, AWE, have pages of examples where end users had issues with their products and received nothing but complete satisfaction afterward because they took care of the customer. Whereas APR has pages of examples where the customer is not taken seriously or blamed for their own problems. When APR runs out of options, it's point the finger at whoever made the product that carries their name.

no integrity, no business.

[RudyH]

Sorry just trying to expand on this to understand correctly...


1) the exhaust debacle.

Was this where someone cut open a RSC exhaust to find a little device for dampening? I didn't quite understand the entire thread as it sounded like it performed as advertised in the end but everyone was just angry for the sake of being angry.


2) multiple instances of tunes not 'taking' or resulting in worse or at best, normal performance (as in, 0 gain from chipping).

The only one I remember was a joke in the end because he couldn't prove it was APR, rather it was his own car, even after going to REVO I think it was...he couldn't even supply a real dyno while on APR, but his 'butt dyno said it was better...so that's pretty scientific...


5) supercharger upgrade and engine trouble as a result.

I assume B6/B7? B8 S5? Also R8? The only threads I found so far is APR vs installer threads on screw ups

The other items, I wasn't aware of anyway. Bought this car with all the APR goods on it already but flashed back to stock. Only clued in when I was cleaning the engine and noticed the APR cap for the CPS.

[AQuattro]

they noted they lost on of their engineers working on this, half way during the development to a F1 team.

[>_<] Right, just like NASA developed RSC technology. Apparently APR is targeting the low IQ, luxury car owning demographic.

[blazeblunts4]

Sorry just trying to expand on this to understand correctly...



Was this where someone cut open a RSC exhaust to find a little device for dampening? I didn't quite understand the entire thread as it sounded like it performed as advertised in the end but everyone was just angry for the sake of being angry.



The only one I remember was a joke in the end because he couldn't prove it was APR, rather it was his own car, even after going to REVO I think it was...he couldn't even supply a real dyno while on APR, but his 'butt dyno said it was better...so that's pretty scientific...



I assume B6/B7? B8 S5? Also R8? The only threads I found so far is APR vs installer threads on screw ups

The other items, I wasn't aware of anyway. Bought this car with all the APR goods on it already but flashed back to stock. Only clued in when I was cleaning the engine and noticed the APR cap for the CPS.

People like you are the reason why APR still is in business. The blind sheep. Good luck to you.

[mr shickadance]

Sorry just trying to expand on this to understand correctly...



Was this where someone cut open a RSC exhaust to find a little device for dampening? I didn't quite understand the entire thread as it sounded like it performed as advertised in the end but everyone was just angry for the sake of being angry.

sort of, not really angry for the same of angry, but angry because they were advertised XX and received YY. customers felt lied to, or at the very least baited and switched. APR justified price increased through new technology, that really was not in there.

The only one I remember was a joke in the end because he couldn't prove it was APR, rather it was his own car, even after going to REVO I think it was...he couldn't even supply a real dyno while on APR, but his 'butt dyno said it was better...so that's pretty scientific...

There was more than one that was affected by this and it's not really confirmed whether the b8.5 s4's are taking the APR tune well, or if at all. In the end the user is now on REVO and making gains. We did have time stamps from drag strips which confirmed more/less that the tune was not making power.


I assume B6/B7? B8 S5? Also R8? The only threads I found so far is APR vs installer threads on screw ups

also their own stock guinea pig cars that grenaded engines. worth mentioning because the engines went boom AFTER the launch of the supercharger so it's not like you can blame them for R&D

The other items, I wasn't aware of anyway. Bought this car with all the APR goods on it already but flashed back to stock. Only clued in when I was cleaning the engine and noticed the APR cap for the CPS.

answers in bold.

Again tho, it's not the screw ups they have had, it's the way they handled them. Companies make mistakes, we are all human, but the moment something goes wrong with an APR product it's a seeming headache to try and get it all fixed and sorted. From trying to prove your case to them shifting the blame it's just not a good feeling knowing that the company barely stands behinds their own products.

You may feel comfortable with their products, i just personally do not have the $$ to fixed a problem they will/could create for me


also it's a personal opinion of mine, but that bit about one of the engineers going to an f1 team? it seems incredibly unlikely as APR's racing pedigree has never once ventured into open wheel racing and they are such a small mark on the auto industry i doubt anyone knows who they are. again, total personal opinion here, but it seems more likely that I would be able to tittyfuck a kate upton than APR losing an engineer to an F1 team.

[Dirty Jersey]

I had problems with their tune and after all the BS smh I got rid of their exhaust. I feel some kind of way towards APR nowadays.

[crew219]

also it's a personal opinion of mine, but that bit about one of the engineers going to an f1 team? it seems incredibly unlikely as APR's racing pedigree has never once ventured into open wheel racing and they are such a small mark on the auto industry i doubt anyone knows who they are. again, total personal opinion here, but it seems more likely that I would be able to tittyfuck a kate upton than APR losing an engineer to an F1 team.

Sean was incorrect.

Zach went to work for IndyCar, not F1. Also, just because he was doing calibration at APR doesn't mean he'll be doing the same task at Honda Performance. IIRC he was the youngest calibrator out of the 3, just graduating from Auburn University last year while interning at APR and utilizing their resources for the AU FSAE team.


Proud to announce that I'll be heading out to California to start a new position at Honda Performance Development working with IndyCars!

[crew219]

sorry what is their history of screw ups resulting in mechanical issues? I missed that part...

I know for a fact APR runs a much more conservative tune then others from my experience on say the 2.7T platform where I came from resulting on longer lasting turbos. I didn't have a their tune on that platform and needed to replace my K03's...but well the K04's were nice...

Their tunes are no longer conservative due to Eric@APR's calibration style.

I liked their stuff pre-Eric. Now it's just a mess.

[TechnoCat]

Once upon a time, in my world, APR had a decent reputation. Compared to Stasis. And I don't consider them terrible, just meh. But when I decided I wanted the pulley enhancement, despite APR being the default and being handled by the nearest shop, a good shop, from which I've bought wheels... I sought out an alternative. APR's numbers are misleading, although fan boys argue that comparing a stock on 91 to a 5-mod on 93 is a valid way to show the improvements from mod #2... it's a way to hide stuff. Their support reputation is poor, not typically an issue in this world because usually the shop deals with it, but their stuff has required more shop involvement too.

So Monday I get Revo'd. Three times further away than I could've gotten APR'd.

[Rez4]

As much as I am not a fan of APR, if they can fix the hesitation when slowing down and getting back on the throttle, I'll consider highly getting their DSG tune. It's my only pet peeve with the OEM software.

[99ebpsi24]

There are a handful of reasons why you'll never find an APR product on any of my cars, most have been mentioned already in this thread and others. But am I the only person that feels like activating tunes through the cruise control stalk is a hassle? I mean GIAC gives you the flashloader and you can switch tunes very easily and you don't have press buttons, wait for lights to flash and at the end if the entire sequence you hope to god you've activated the correct tune...

[hodrosS42001]

There are a handful of reasons why you'll never find an APR product on any of my cars, most have been mentioned already in this thread and others. But am I the only person that feels like activating tunes through the cruise control stalk is a hassle? I mean GIAC gives you the flashloader and you can switch tunes very easily and you don't have press buttons, wait for lights to flash and at the end if the entire sequence you hope to god you've activated the correct tune...

You can change tunes in like 10 seconds..

[AQuattro]

But am I the only person that feels like activating tunes through the cruise control stalk is a hassle?

I'm with you. Never understood why people like this. I always felt like I was checking fault codes on my OBD I Honda.

"Wait, did that just blink 3 or 4 times? Something seems off, let me try again, (up) (up) (down) (down)......wait was it 2 ups or 3 ups?...."

[crew219]

I'm with you. Never understood why people like this. I always felt like I was checking fault codes on my OBD I Honda.

"Wait, did that just blink 3 or 4 times? Something seems off, let me try again, (up) (up) (down) (down)......wait was it 2 ups or 3 ups?...."

I'm pretty sure that at this time, the plan is to make everyone eventually purchase APR Mobile ($250 and VIN locked) if they want program switching capabilities.

[EWM AMIN]

I'm pretty sure that at this time, the plan is to make everyone eventually purchase APR Mobile ($250 and VIN locked) if they want program switching capabilities.

Not having the ability to do this when my car was APR stg2+ annoyed me..

I have APR Mobile, it doesn't even work.. Nor can I do the contra code on my stalk to access any EMCS programs because it's not available for B8.5 :S

[BP11]

APR sucks

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[Alessandro]

just to let you know guys i enjoy my TCU GIAC tune ;)

[EWM AMIN]

I am very curious now after the Unitronic STG2+ upgrade how it would fare, even without a DSG tune...

We need to test this!

[Alessandro]

I am very curious now after the Unitronic STG2+ upgrade how it would fare, even without a DSG tune...

We need to test this!

lets do it, once it clears up a bit we can meet somewhere in Mexico close to Tijuana ;)