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velodb

01-13-2015, 03:59 PM

So I was reading through my new Road & Track and Audi has bumped HP by 30. So my question is did they really bump the power or are they just now being honest about the true HP numbers?

I ordered spacers. 10 mm front and 12.5 rear with longer bolts. I will post pictures of the car soon. See if you guys like the black painted rims.

VeryBadman

01-13-2015, 04:34 PM

No way to know until the 2016's come out and someone dyno's them.

moosehead1

01-13-2015, 04:41 PM

Hard to say on the HP bump, +1 to VBM dyno comment above.

velodb, on which vehicle are you putting the 10/12.5 spacers?

FWIW, I've got 10mm spacers all the way around on the S7 stocker set and could easily push out to 15/20 or say 17/20.

http://i952.photobucket.com/albums/ae6/bsiegel1/Audi/imagejpg4_zps966b3575.jpg

http://i952.photobucket.com/albums/ae6/bsiegel1/Audi/imagejpg1_zpsbad7ee2a.jpg

velodb

01-13-2015, 04:54 PM

The s6. What size are the ones in the pic above?

amelen

01-13-2015, 05:25 PM

Already out in EU I believe. I heard it was an actual bump but who knows. Tranny is being modified as well.

DNGRTOM

01-13-2015, 06:56 PM

for reference - I have 15 front and 20 rear and could do 18 in the front...on black optics et45 wheels. I started with 12 in the front and 15 in the rear and wasn't in to it

AudIan

01-13-2015, 07:08 PM

for reference - I have 15 front and 20 rear and could do 18 in the front...on black optics et45 wheels. I started with 12 in the front and 15 in the rear and wasn't in to it

No rubbing issues with that setup^^ ? Im like you were with the 12 front 15 rear, currently want it a bit wider, thinking 15 front 18 rear, so only need to purchase 1 more set. But worried about rubbing in hard turns with it lowered 15mm via VAG

Jokergod2000

01-13-2015, 07:42 PM

What car are we talking about?

RS7-Dubai

01-13-2015, 08:14 PM

What car are we talking about?

+1

Nabizzy

01-13-2015, 09:39 PM

if we are talking about rs7 I'm going to be a little upset not gonna lie...

sparkhill

01-13-2015, 10:38 PM

The 2016 US order guide states:
S7: 450 HP (up from 420 in 2015)
RS7: 560 HP (no change)

localbrew

01-13-2015, 10:49 PM

The 2016 US order guide states:
S7: 450 HP (up from 420 in 2015)
RS7: 560 HP (no change)

A7???

VeryBadman

01-13-2015, 11:51 PM

The 2016 US order guide states:
S7: 450 HP (up from 420 in 2015)
RS7: 560 HP (no change)

I heard that from many articles that the power in RS7 remains no change.

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AKPS4

01-14-2015, 04:08 AM

amelen

01-14-2015, 04:16 AM

The S6 and S7 are both getting a boost in power, 450 hp as mentioned above. I believe the A7 as well. Specifically for the A7 and A6 there was some mention of reducing boost lag or what not but not sure what that's and for the supercharged 3.0T's.

All this info is publicly available online, not directly from Audi but one of the major auto magazine sources. I forget which exactly though.

Audi confirmed the HP increases in a PR:

http://www.audiusa.com/newsroom/news/press-releases/2014/11/2016-audi-a6-a7-model-lines-make-us-debut-at-los-angeles-auto-show

Fourtitude also has a nice write up of the changes (including details on the transmission updates):

http://fourtitude.com/features/Reviews_amp_Road_Tests_14/driven-2016-audi-s6-sedan-europe/

ellisina4

01-14-2015, 06:27 AM

In my opinion there is no HP gain, just more realistic numbers are reported by Audi. Think about it this way, 30hp increase and not a single lb of TQ on a turbocharged car?
Again, just my opinion.
About DSG, that is the only thing I really hate about the car, even with GIAC tune. Hope the changes for 2016 will make significant difference.?

moosehead1

01-14-2015, 06:34 AM

^ellisina4, presume you have an S vehicle. What don't you like about the DSG? Lag, too early a shift, power dilution? No rose colored glasses here, would really like to hear it. Cheers.

yas

01-14-2015, 07:40 AM

Absolutely loved the DSG on my RS 5. I wish Audi would put that program on the S cars.

eyeloveteeth

01-14-2015, 08:38 AM

perfect marketing model.

no real change. maybe some efficiency remapping (just to fuck with APR and other tunes) -

say there is a boost 4 years later....mark up 1200 + break apart sport diff from standard as an add on.

awesome business model | shitty for buyers

DeerHunter

01-14-2015, 08:43 AM

In my opinion there is no HP gain, just more realistic numbers are reported by Audi. Think about it this way, 30hp increase and not a single lb of TQ on a turbocharged car?
Again, just my opinion.

Such a change is incredibly easy with a turbocharged car, by merely manipulating boost pressure as revs climb. Two possible scenarios:

Currently, boost tapers off after torque peak; For 2016, reduce the amount of boost taper for more high-end horsepower (without increasing peak torque)
Currently, boost is kept fairly constant; For 2016, slightly increase boost after torque peak (to compensate for the natural fall-off with rpm) for the same result

In either case, torque will still peak at the same absolute number, although it will increase (compared to the 2013-15 models) at all rpm levels above old torque-peak.

jasonlitka

01-14-2015, 11:49 AM

Such a change is incredibly easy with a turbocharged car, by merely manipulating boost pressure as revs climb. Two possible scenarios:

Currently, boost tapers off after torque peak; For 2016, reduce the amount of boost taper for more high-end horsepower (without increasing peak torque)
Currently, boost is kept fairly constant; For 2016, slightly increase boost after torque peak (to compensate for the natural fall-off with rpm) for the same result

In either case, torque will still peak at the same absolute number, although it will increase (compared to the 2013-15 models) at all rpm levels above old torque-peak.

The other thing to keep in mind is that the DL501 DSG is officially rated for 406 ft-lb of torque... Increasing torque would mean swapping out for a higher-capacity DSG transmission, swapping in the 8AT (like in the RS7), or potentially sacrificing reliability.

I agree, I think this is a real power bump, otherwise Audi wouldn't have bothered to revise the torque peak RPM range.

amelen

01-14-2015, 11:53 AM

The official 0-60 Audi is publishing is also now improved (by 0.1s I believe).

13CSGR

01-14-2015, 12:49 PM

The other thing to keep in mind is that the DL501 DSG is officially rated for 406 ft-lb of torque... Increasing torque would mean swapping out for a higher-capacity DSG transmission, swapping in the 8AT (like in the RS7), or potentially sacrificing reliability.

I agree, I think this is a real power bump, otherwise Audi wouldn't have bothered to revise the torque peak RPM range.

The S4/S5 use the DL501 while the S6/S7 use the DL511. The DL511 in the 2016 is supposed to be getting the revision, I don't think anyone knows what kind of revision, be it hardware or software.

amelen

01-14-2015, 12:54 PM

The S4/S5 use the DL501 while the S6/S7 use the DL511. The DL511 in the 2016 is supposed to be getting the revision, I don't think anyone knows what kind of revision, be it hardware or software.

A little info on the revision here:

http://fourtitude.com/features/Reviews_amp_Road_Tests_14/driven-2016-audi-s6-sedan-europe/

The car’s 7-speed S tronic (DSG) transmission gets even more significant revisions, with the replacement of its hydraulic pump for a new electric equivalent. Now, instead of gears immersed in transmission fluid, they are instead constantly sprayed on demand by the electric pump, which all makes for more efficient performance and less parasitic drag.

13CSGR

01-14-2015, 01:15 PM

A little info on the revision here:

http://fourtitude.com/features/Reviews_amp_Road_Tests_14/driven-2016-audi-s6-sedan-europe/

Thanks for posting that, I've seen it before but I didn't remember where it was. I was talking more about them upgrading the clutch packs or increasing the clamping force to handle the 30 more HP.

jasonlitka

01-14-2015, 04:42 PM

gk1

01-14-2015, 06:51 PM

Good to know. Is the torque limit on the DL511 higher than the 501?

It's hard to find info on the DL511 AFAIK it is just a DL501 with "beefed up" internals, but what exactly is beefed up I can't seem to find.
Interestingly the DL501 rated torque limit is 550NM (406 ft-lbs) of course that is at 9000 RPM. (I can only assume it can handle much more at lower RPM.)
And we all know the limit is a very safe number so if the DL511 can handle more then I am sure there is even more than enough safety margin to accommodate 30HP increase and zero torque increase.

jasonlitka

01-14-2015, 06:52 PM

It's hard to find info on the DL511 AFAIK it is just a DL501 with "beefed up" internals, but what exactly is beefed up I can't seem to find.
Interestingly the DL501 rated torque limit is 550NM (406 ft-lbs) of course that is at 9000 RPM. (I can only assume it can handle much more at lower RPM.)
And we all know the limit is a very safe number so if the DL511 can handle more then I am sure there is even more than enough safety margin to accommodate 30HP increase and zero torque increase.

Maybe we'll luck out and they'll remove the stupid launch control limit.

Jason Litka
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