SMS Stage 2 B8 S4 Dyno Results [Archive]

SoloMotorsports

12-24-2014, 12:32 PM

Check out our Shop B8 S4.
It came to us as a stage 2 car with APR Intake, full APR exhaust and upgraded APR cooling.
Naturally we felt obligated to tune it for a higher power level.
The results were impressive. +38whp +6wtq over the existing stage 2 tune.
We have the upgraded HPFP going in next month for some E85 tuning. Be sure to stay tuned for those results.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNQkGsjgPqY
http://[email protected]/images/APR%20STG%202%2093.png

audistealth

12-24-2014, 12:51 PM

What happened at 3850, pulled timing?

cspcrx

12-24-2014, 12:51 PM

Nice results improvement all being the same with just the tune upgrade.

Question. Are these motors hungry for more air or fuel on top? I noticed that both graphs show the HP goes flat at about 6k to redline. Any other motor I would say a cam upgrade or porting the heads would be in order. As you are the tuner, what is your take?

audistealth

12-24-2014, 12:54 PM

S4M3

12-24-2014, 03:26 PM

Huge diff. Car feels so much stronger is like stock vs stage 1

S4 00 2.7

12-24-2014, 03:36 PM

Great results.

saxon

12-24-2014, 03:52 PM

Let's see some track times, with those gains you should be able to run 11.7/11.6 on pump fuel

S4M3

12-24-2014, 05:21 PM

Some Vbox and 1/4 time coming soon. Can't wait to see it on e85 ;)

infinkc

12-24-2014, 05:59 PM

E85!

spawn350

12-24-2014, 06:27 PM

How will customers be able to get the software on their cars? Amazing results and E85 tune would be fantastic!!!

chillindrdude

12-24-2014, 06:36 PM

how long has your tune been running? any mechanical/reliability issues?

mrmomo313

12-24-2014, 06:45 PM

Some Vbox and 1/4 time coming soon. Can't wait to see it on e85 ;)

Sweet, looking forward to that

UkuRiSh

12-24-2014, 07:22 PM

E85 [up]

SoloMotorsports

12-24-2014, 07:38 PM

How will customers be able to get the software on their cars? Amazing results and E85 tune would be fantastic!!!
Currently you must send in your ecu or bring the car into the shop for the initial flashing. Once unlocked our dealers are capable of flashing simos 8.4 for revisions and upgrades.
Yes E85 is comming shortly!

how long has your tune been running? any mechanical/reliability issues?
This car was just tuned over the weekend. We have a few customers that have been runing our tune for over a year with a great reliability record.

E85 [up]
Yes indeed [evilsmile]

ptper

12-25-2014, 08:01 AM

Looking forward to strip times, and logs if you have'm. [up] [:)]

Jgm22

12-25-2014, 08:03 AM

[QUOTE=SoloMotorsports;10357653]Currently you must send in your ecu or bring the car into the shop for the initial flashing. Once unlocked our dealers are capable of flashing simos 8.4 for revisions and upgrades.
Yes E85 is comming shortly!

This car was just tuned over the weekend. We have a few customers that have been runing our tune for over a year with a great reliability record.

Very impressive numbers.... nice work. what size pulley are you using? is it comparable to APR or GIAC/AWE? Did you start working on 2014 models yet?

S is for Slow

12-25-2014, 08:06 AM

Those are some great numbers. I can't wait to go stage 2

Jones2012s4

12-25-2014, 08:11 AM

In for E85

RWD2quattro

12-25-2014, 03:52 PM

LINDW4LL

12-25-2014, 04:08 PM

Why tune for a fuel that's not readily available to the masses such as E85?? IMHO tuning for E85 seems like a waste of resources, maybe for the guys in the Midwest is not. Good job on the HP improvement [up]
My .02 cents.
They do custom tunes, so what downside is there to offering an E85 tune? It offers race gas performance for the price of regular gas (the ethanol itself is cheaper of course, but it requires 30% more fuel per volume, so it comes out about equal). You guys may not have it out west, but basically everywhere else in the country is covered, for the most part.

http://i.imgur.com/PS9QJQF.png

SoloMotorsports

12-25-2014, 04:51 PM

Why tune for a fuel that's not readily available to the masses such as E85?? IMHO tuning for E85 seems like a waste of resources, maybe for the guys in the Midwest is not. Good job on the HP improvement [up]
My .02 cents.

We tune many platforms for E85 as it's quite popular with our customers who mod their cars.
The car should respond well to e85. We've dabbled with e40/e60 blends on this platform already so I'm confident full e85 is possible on stage 2 with the upgraded hpfp.

saxon

12-25-2014, 04:57 PM

We tune many platforms for E85 as it's quite popular with our customers who mod their cars.
The car should respond well to e85. We've dabled with e40/e60 blends on this platform already so I'm confident full e85 is possible on stage 2 with the upgraded hpfp.

My car on an e40 mixture performed flawlessly on a 104 octane map, can't imagine how great it will work with e85.

Imo you'd need a flex fuel sensor tune or map switching by end user for it to be something anyone would want

spawn350

12-25-2014, 05:05 PM

I run some E85 in every tank. 33% mix. It's awesome !

chillindrdude

12-25-2014, 06:25 PM

HPFP stands for?

spawn350

12-25-2014, 06:26 PM

High Pressure Fuel Pump

RWD2quattro

12-25-2014, 06:39 PM

BoostEasy

12-26-2014, 06:08 AM

Check out our Shop B8 S4.
It came to us as a stage 2 car with APR Intake, full APR exhaust and upgraded APR cooling.
Naturally we felt obligated to tune it for a higher power level.
The results were impressive. +38whp +6wtq over the existing stage 2 tune.
We have the upgraded HPFP going in next month for some E85 tuning. Be sure to stay tuned for those results.

What HPFP? Did you make one or is someone else offering one? Didn't know one was available.

Thanks.

B8 S4

12-26-2014, 06:09 AM

In for some E85 tunes! Also I am curious about the saftey constraints of the 93 tune, how is it possible to get that much power out of the car than others tunes?

13ttaz

12-26-2014, 06:20 AM

^+2 on both points . . . .

Steve416

12-26-2014, 07:32 AM

Just conjecture but that looks like version 1 of APR stage 2 in the graph. The SMS results look very similar to APR stage 2 version 2 (which has been around for 2+ plus years now). But I might be wrong. Definitely good to see other tuners getting in the mix. Also wish we had access to E85 up here!

chaos2984

12-26-2014, 08:22 AM

yea e85 is hard to get on the east coast as well. Its probably some like 1/50 gas stations have it. Ive only seen it once somewhat local. Its more in the middle of the country due to that is where it is made. Hoping to see more info on the ability to tune Can you tune any cars that are B8.5 and up with just shipping you the ecu. Ive heard that you cant, it all has to be done via the obd 2 port. Due to security of the car.

Have you had any long term issues with people running full E85 in the s4 with the corrosive factor of full E85. Are you running the HPFP due to volume needs or due to the fuel crossiviness. ??

cspcrx

12-26-2014, 10:45 AM

I would like an E85 tune as the highest pump gas you can get here in Phoenix is 91. E85 is available almost everywhere in the valley. Seems like those running 91 oct tunes, no matter the tuner, see little to no results. Then you go to the 93 oct tune and you start to see some noticeable increase in the power.

S4M3

12-26-2014, 10:48 AM

EyeCentric

12-26-2014, 12:37 PM

In CT we have NO E85... [confused]

integroid

12-26-2014, 12:59 PM

srt2evo

12-26-2014, 10:55 PM

Nice!! In for more results.

saxon

12-27-2014, 05:41 AM

how is launch control and launching the car in general compared to apr? ive noticed that apr was quite a bit more aggressive compared to EPL

SoloMotorsports

12-27-2014, 05:29 PM

how is launch control and launching the car in general compared to apr? ive noticed that apr was quite a bit more aggressive compared to EPL

This car is a manual. We can set the stationary rpm limit to whatever the customer likes. This car has the limiter set to 4500rpms right now.

mmmkam

12-28-2014, 06:18 AM

This car is a manual. We can set the stationary rpm limit to whatever the customer likes. This car has the limiter set to 4500rpms right now.

How is the stock clutch holding up or has that been upgraded?

SoloMotorsports

12-28-2014, 06:59 AM

So far the stock clutch is holding up. Once we start using e85 or race gas I'm sure it won't last too much longer with some agressive shifting and launching.

Steve416

12-28-2014, 07:46 AM

No, the car had the latest APR Stage 2 tune on it when I sold it.

Glad to hear i'm wrong and that other tuners keep finding ways to push the envelope.

Inprogress

12-28-2014, 12:00 PM

Is this particular tune a custom tune? Or is this the same tune every car would have if they went stage 2?

SoloMotorsports

12-28-2014, 04:17 PM

Is this particular tune a custom tune? Or is this the same tune every car would have if they went stage 2?

This is very close to what you would get with our basic stage 2 file. However, I did spend a little time on the dyno optimizing the tune for the setup we are running.

Jgm22

12-28-2014, 05:17 PM

Is the pulley for your stage 2 the same size as REVO and APR's pulley?

S4M3

12-28-2014, 07:59 PM

Is the pulley for your stage 2 the same size as REVO and APR's pulley?
Yes is the same size, this car is running APR pulley with SMS tune.

Jgm22

12-28-2014, 08:02 PM

Yes is the same size, this car is running APR pulley with SMS tune.

Were you running the APR tune prior to the SMS tune? If so how would you comare them?

S4M3

12-28-2014, 08:07 PM

Were you running the APR tune prior to the SMS tune? If so how would you comare them?
Yeah i did. On APR tune the car would die after around 4200 rpm no top end. With SMS tune it feels much stronger up top it pulls harder.Down low is about the same.http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/28/2eb446ecb9d093155d4a4cc9422a84fe.jpg

S4M3

12-29-2014, 01:41 PM

Installing the fuel pump tomw, e85 coming soon guys. Maybe before new year :)

LINDW4LL

12-29-2014, 01:46 PM

Nice! It will be awesome to see some proper E85 numbers!!

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saxon

12-29-2014, 04:35 PM

Installing the fuel pump tomw, e85 coming soon guys. Maybe before new year :)

What pump are you using

SoloMotorsports

12-29-2014, 05:06 PM

What pump are you using
This one right here.
https://solomotorsports.net/store/Audi/audi-b8-s4/3.0T-HPFP-UPGRADE

RWD2quattro

12-29-2014, 05:14 PM

This is very close to what you would get with our basic stage 2 file. However, I did spend a little time on the dyno optimizing the tune for the setup we are running.

What about S4, 8.5 models? Will a tune be developed soon?

Jgm22

12-29-2014, 05:26 PM

I'm interested in this program. I currently have a 2014. Will there be a seperate tune for people who upgrade their fuel pump?

SoloMotorsports

12-29-2014, 05:55 PM

What about S4, 8.5 models? Will a tune be developed soon?
Yes we are working on it now.

I'm interested in this program. I currently have a 2014. Will there be a seperate tune for people who upgrade their fuel pump?
Yes we have a separate file for hpfp upgrade.

S4M3

12-29-2014, 05:56 PM

$ 399 real good price for the upgraded pump that will support E85.

S4 00 2.7

12-29-2014, 06:23 PM

Good stuff from Solo. Good job.

Jgm22

12-29-2014, 06:41 PM

Will the hpfp benefit all fuel grades or just E85?

S4M3

12-29-2014, 06:48 PM

Just for E85 , stock pump is fine for 91-93 oct

cspcrx

12-29-2014, 06:53 PM

Will the hpfp benefit all fuel grades or just E85?

Not unless the current pump can not keep up with the fuel demand.

SoloMotorsports

12-29-2014, 07:57 PM

Good stuff from Solo. Good job.
Thanks!

Is the hpfp recommended for all fuel grades or just E85?
With the correct tuning the hpfp upgrade is suitable for all fuel grades, but it is only really needed to run e85.

SoloMotorsports

01-02-2015, 12:09 PM

Looks like the upgraded hpfp will be going in on Monday so we can get this thing back on the dyno for E85.

JMUNFORD

01-02-2015, 12:14 PM

Can't wait to see the results .. I still plan on going with you guys tune in the early spring

saxon

01-02-2015, 03:54 PM

Looks like the upgraded hpfp will be going in on Monday so we can get this thing back on the dyno for E85.

[up]

please keep us updated

USAFS4

01-02-2015, 05:23 PM

Solo,

I have a 2012 DSG car, can you tune my car for similar results? Can you tune the DSG TCU?

Thanks,
APR customer tired of waiting

saxon

01-02-2015, 05:28 PM

Solo,

I have a 2012 DSG car, can you tune my car for similar results? Can you tune the DSG TCU?

Thanks,
APR customer tired of waiting

what are you waiting for? plenty of apr cars in the 11's

MrFunk

01-02-2015, 05:35 PM

Very nice bumb!

USAFS4

01-02-2015, 08:04 PM

what are you waiting for? plenty of apr cars in the 11's

I want a DSG tune. Already stg 2 with APR. If solo has more power up top all the better.

S4M3

01-02-2015, 08:14 PM

Not sure about the DSG tune, but deff more power up top :)

Skywagon

01-03-2015, 07:26 AM

I have a speed shop advising me one can mix DSG tunes with ECU tunes from a different company. Of course, I think we have all been advised differently by the manufacturers, AWE and REVO. Wonder if anybody is willing to try?

apexit1

01-03-2015, 08:01 AM

So after all this time nothing but some dyno numbers? Can someone get some 60-130 or 1/4 mile times to back up these numbers?

SoloMotorsports

01-03-2015, 12:59 PM

Solo,

I have a 2012 DSG car, can you tune my car for similar results? Can you tune the DSG TCU?

Thanks,
APR customer tired of waiting
Yes we can tune your car for similar results. We don't have a DSG tcu tune available yet but we plan to start working on it shortly.

I have a speed shop advising me one can mix DSG tunes with ECU tunes from a different company. Of course, I think we have all been advised differently by the manufacturers, AWE and REVO. Wonder if anybody is willing to try?
I would tend to agree with your speed shop.

d.p

01-03-2015, 02:15 PM

S4M3

01-03-2015, 02:28 PM

1/4 Track is closed here in Atlanta and it's been raining for last 2 Damm weeks.

d.p

01-03-2015, 03:15 PM

1/4 Track is closed here in Atlanta and it's been raining for last 2 Damm weeks.

Yeah but you guys have had cars with your tune for over a year right? In all that time no one has gone to the track?

S4M3

01-03-2015, 03:19 PM

Our customer didn't track there cars. I guess I can't force any one ;) This one is my car and I will go run it at the 1/4 mile and do some 60-130

d.p

01-03-2015, 04:19 PM

Solid! Can you go before the HPFP? And after as well?

SoloMotorsports

01-03-2015, 04:32 PM

So after all this time nothing but some dyno numbers? Can someone get some 60-130 or 1/4 mile times to back up these numbers?

X2 where are the 1/4 times? Funny Solo replied to the two posts prior to you but choose to ignore yours.

Yeah but you guys have had cars with your tune for over a year right? In all that time no one has gone to the track?

As S4M3 said, we will eventually get our car out to the track and get some 60-130 runs in. We also have a half mile event in Florida coming up soon.
We certainly aren't hiding behind dyno numbers. If our customers go to the track and share the data we will gladly share it, but the majority of our B8 S4 customer don't go to the drag strip.
If any of you AZer's would like to get the tune and run it down the track we'd be happy to get you set up.

USAFS4

01-03-2015, 07:29 PM

As S4M3 said, we will eventually get our car out to the track and get some 60-130 runs in. We also have a half mile event in Florida coming up soon.
We certainly aren't hiding behind dyno numbers. If our customers go to the track and share the data we will gladly share it, but the majority of our B8 S4 customer don't go to the drag strip.
If any of you AZer's would like to get the tune and run it down the track we'd be happy to get you set up.

Well maybe I should stop by on Friday before my wknd at Road Atlanta. I believe our track in Jackson has test & tune every Thursday.

GeoJoe

01-03-2015, 08:21 PM

http://byt.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/tumblr_inline_mthhs2RjUu1rzygeh.gif

SoloMotorsports

01-04-2015, 04:53 AM

Well maybe I should stop by on Friday before my wknd at Road Atlanta. I believe our track in Jackson has test & tune every Thursday.

Yes absolutely. Come on over.

chillindrdude

01-04-2015, 07:40 AM

Not to troll, but...

Can you clarify your relationship or affiliation with JFonz and Epic Tuning Group?

saxon

01-04-2015, 09:36 AM

Not to troll, but...

Can you clarify your relationship or affiliation with JFonz and Epic Tuning Group?

josh is jfonz , now quit trolling ;)

saxon

01-04-2015, 02:10 PM

$ 399 real good price for the upgraded pump that will support E85.

can you explain your affiliation with solomotorsports?

LINDW4LL

01-04-2015, 02:35 PM

can you explain your affiliation with solomotorsports?
S4M3= Boris, owner of Solo.

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S4M3

01-04-2015, 04:20 PM

Solo = bunch of good guys :)

Willënskraft

01-04-2015, 04:38 PM

I bet you guys go to Sonic for lunch all the time [:D].

S4M3

01-04-2015, 04:39 PM

I bet you guys go to Sonic for lunch all the time [:D].
I think we got sick of Sonic...lol

GeoJoe

01-04-2015, 06:50 PM

The Varsity FTW

http://www.thevarsity.com/images/welcome/1.gif

Willënskraft

01-04-2015, 06:54 PM

Checkers!! FTW

FTFY

LINDW4LL

01-04-2015, 07:38 PM

The Varsity FTW

Went there while in ATL, food was mediocre at best...

Place is huge though.

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GeoJoe

01-04-2015, 08:28 PM

You go there for an oil change.

Boris

01-04-2015, 09:29 PM

Solo = bunch of good guys :)

I know you guys have the twin charged setup, but can you guys or is anyone you know besides APR working on a supercharger replacement?

Can anyone else take a generic eaton/ roots style charger and mate it to a manifold that works and give us more power? I think you could make it fit.

SoloMotorsports

01-05-2015, 07:16 AM

I know you guys have the twin charged setup, but can you guys or is anyone you know besides APR working on a supercharger replacement?

Can anyone else take a generic eaton/ roots style charger and mate it to a manifold that works and give us more power? I think you could make it fit.

Your request has been noted. I'll bring it up in the next meeting.

Frinkferta

01-07-2015, 11:48 AM

How much are you guys charging for a stage 2 flash with pulley install?

infinkc

01-08-2015, 11:31 AM

How much are you guys charging for a stage 2 flash with pulley install?

i dont believe they can do a MY13 yet.

Still in for E85 results.

saxon

01-08-2015, 06:00 PM

Looks like the upgraded hpfp will be going in on Monday so we can get this thing back on the dyno for E85.

Did this happen?

Frinkferta

01-09-2015, 09:03 AM

i dont believe they can do a MY13 yet.

Still in for E85 results.

I was going to recommend E85 for your car [:D]

SoloMotorsports

01-09-2015, 03:42 PM

Did this happen?

Not yet... we've been slammed all week. Our shop car must take a back seat so we can take care of the customer cars.

SoloMotorsports

01-29-2015, 01:57 PM

E85 Testing has been underway since yesterday.... so far we have noticed a good bump in power. Fuel trims up top are pulling about 1% so there is plenty of fuel with our upgraded HPFP.
We pulled it off the dyno to drive it on the street and get some cold starts on it.
I think she has a little more power left in her. We'll post dyno sheets up comparing stage 2 93 oct vs stage 2 with e85 once our final dyno session is completed.

saxon

01-29-2015, 03:40 PM

Can you compare it to a 104 octane tune as well?

SoloMotorsports

01-29-2015, 04:02 PM

I'll look and see if I can find some 104 oct locally. All we have at the shop is vp imports 120 oct leaded and e85 right now.

saxon

01-29-2015, 04:57 PM

I just think that will give a better sample of what e85 can do compared to other race gas tunes

JPS4

04-04-2015, 06:40 PM

any updates on the e85 tune?

Whitee

04-05-2015, 05:55 AM

^^ What he said, its been months.

ptper

04-05-2015, 06:02 AM

We'll post dyno sheets up comparing stage 2 93 oct vs stage 2 with e85 once our final dyno session is completed.

And enough of the dyno sheets, show me some 1/4 mile times! [:D]

espo4442

09-21-2015, 07:54 AM

Anyone putting down any 1/4 times with SMS tuning? Always seems like GIAC is the fastest. Would love to see some different tunes going against each other from a roll.

S4M3

09-21-2015, 08:27 AM

Going to take her on a date this Friday to do some 1/4 times ;)

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SchreibCity

09-21-2015, 10:22 AM

Going to take her on a date this Friday to do some 1/4 times ;)

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Awesome, thanks. Been waiting for someone to post up times

espo4442

09-21-2015, 11:15 AM

Going to take her on a date this Friday to do some 1/4 times ;)

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Thank you! Btw how does the tune feel?

S4M3

09-21-2015, 11:16 AM

I work at Solo so it would not be fair to say anything, but tune is great I am sure some of our customer can chime in.

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k9lovr

09-21-2015, 12:44 PM

Awesome, thanks. Been waiting for someone to post up times

+1

k9lovr

09-25-2015, 04:16 PM

Going to take her on a date this Friday to do some 1/4 times ;)

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Looking forward to some data/results hopefully tonight or tomorrow.....

SchreibCity

09-25-2015, 04:36 PM

Looking forward to some data/results hopefully tonight or tomorrow.....

+1. S4M3 can you also note the additional performance mods/weight saving mods on the car (if there are any). thanks

ENV²

09-25-2015, 04:54 PM

Going to take her on a date this Friday to do some 1/4 times ;)

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Love your stable of toys

Southern

09-25-2015, 08:42 PM

I work at Solo so it would not be fair to say anything, but tune is great I am sure some of our customer can chime in.

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I've had the Stage 2 tune for about seven months now, and it continues to put a smile on my face. Paired it with some 19 lb TSW Bathurst wheels that you all also put on for me, and it's basically kept me from wanting to buy a M4 lol.

Haven't been able to get in a drag strip run yet, but I'll hopefully have a run before winter hits.

deadpool7777

09-25-2015, 10:31 PM

Out west is hard, the nearest station for me is over an hour away. CA hasn't embraced E85 as other states have, I can order 55gal drums but too much of a pain...
I wish we had E85, 91 is water down but at least I have 100 Oct, 5 miles away [up]

Will you offer 91/100 oct tunes for 8.5?

I wouldn't generalize it as out west. I live in Washington and live three minutes away from a station that offers E85; have multiple stations in the vicinity. Sorry you guys get that horrible watered down 91 octane there. You gotta pay to live in the Bay.

iviegatron

09-27-2015, 02:03 PM

Going to take her on a date this Friday to do some 1/4 times ;)

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Any updates on the 1/4 times?

Frinkferta

09-27-2015, 08:44 PM

Tons of E85 around here!

espo4442

09-28-2015, 05:38 AM

Interested in results.

Ze_Nardo6

09-28-2015, 12:14 PM

PM sent. Still want to see new numbers!

CrownSeven

09-28-2015, 01:54 PM

Any updates on the 1/4 times?

+1

Chandler

09-28-2015, 10:35 PM

I will get some 1/4 times when I am able to get out the the strip.

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ptper

09-30-2015, 04:11 AM

Going to take her on a date this Friday to do some 1/4 times ;)

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How did she do? I figure we're a few days into the following week, so plenty of time to upload the slips [:D]

Also, wondering about the cost of the non "big 3" tunes (solo, epl, uni, etc), are they significantly cheaper than the big guys? From a business standpoint, they're the new guys with not a lot of history/data (yet?) so they need to entice folks with price and other features (flash at home). Guess, it depends on what people are comfortable with. One side says to buy the tune that's the most proven, the other side says they don't care about 1/4 mile times (it feels fast enough) and it's a good price. Ahh, the great debate...

S4M3

09-30-2015, 04:38 AM

19288 sorry guys this happen, some one hit me on the parking lot , car is at the body shop now as soon I get it back I will hit the track

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drob23

09-30-2015, 07:26 AM

How did she do? I figure we're a few days into the following week, so plenty of time to upload the slips [:D]

Also, wondering about the cost of the non "big 3" tunes (solo, epl, uni, etc), are they significantly cheaper than the big guys? From a business standpoint, they're the new guys with not a lot of history/data (yet?) so they need to entice folks with price and other features (flash at home). Guess, it depends on what people are comfortable with. One side says to buy the tune that's the most proven, the other side says they don't care about 1/4 mile times (it feels fast enough) and it's a good price. Ahh, the great debate...

At the minimum, if you are going with an unproven product (eg haven't been used on cars for multiple years/multiple users who are driving the cars at strips/road courses etc), I would want to see logs that show the tune is performing and not compromising engine safety.

Chandler

09-30-2015, 07:57 AM

19288 sorry guys this happen, some one hit me on the parking lot , car is at the body shop now as soon I get it back I will hit the track

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That sucks B. Good luck with the repairs