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JanAimar
07-17-2014, 01:57 PM
Thought I'd make a little thread for my trackday car.
Bought it a couple of years ago and used it with a tuned 2,7tt on e85 until this year when I decided to brush the dust of the RS4 V8 I had in my garage.
I have been wanting to put turbos on this but it is just to expensive. So i'm gonna use a press until I can afford some PTE's and all that follows.

Sooooo... the car started its life as a 96' A4 1,8tq and has kind of a mix between S4 and RS4 parts.

Old engine setup :
2,7tt AGB
Ported heads
RS4 turbos
RS4 manifold
RS4 intake
Rs6 intercoolers
Supertech pistons 8,5:1
H-beam rods
Coated bearings
E85

New engine :

4,2 v8 from 07 RS4
FSI system thrown away
034 tilton flywheel
Tilton 2 plated
034 motorsport mounts
Coming:
PES supercharger
MoTeC engine management
New fuelsystem

Driveline/chassis/brakes :
RS4 B7 gearbox (gonna have to open this and give it a little TLC)
JHM shortshift
RS4 uprights
S2 avant diff
Bilstein PSS9
034 Aluminium subframe bushings
034 Billet diff carrier
034 Race diff mount
Powerflex black for rear lower arms
Powerflex black for roll bar links
R8 8 pot calipers
Loba 365mm brake discs
EBC yellowstuff brake pads
OBP hydraulic handbrake
Sellholm brake valve
+++

Body :
Cut here and cut there
Full s4 conversion
RS4 grill
Polycarbonate windows
HID lamps with dark internals
Dark taillights

Coming up:
Carbon RS fenders
B5/B7 hybrid rear bumper
Widened S4 front bumper
Carbon splitter
Carbon diffuser
Some kind of spoiler (tips anyone?)



And now some mandatory pictures !


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JanAimar
07-17-2014, 02:01 PM
Have been wanting to get the car as light as possible so removed all off the wiring that was needed because the last setup was with Motronic.

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xalents23
07-17-2014, 02:13 PM
[eek]Nice!!!

01audia4
07-17-2014, 02:59 PM
Woah there, going to be sweet for sure. In for updates!

R1CH-5100
07-17-2014, 03:04 PM
So sick. Please upload a vid, i want to hear it!

JanAimar
07-17-2014, 03:08 PM
So sick. Please upload a vid, i want to hear it!

Will do when it's up and running :)

getslideways
07-17-2014, 06:21 PM
So sick. Please upload a vid, i want to hear it!

+1, or at least a vid of when this was going on to hold us over:

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Looking forward to your updates on this build, it looks fantastic

bps4
07-17-2014, 06:28 PM
Nice work! Subbed

Royal769sr
07-17-2014, 07:56 PM
[hail] ..

flips4
07-17-2014, 08:10 PM
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, dat be fancy

eWock
07-17-2014, 08:16 PM
[eek] So clean while hauling

CELison
07-17-2014, 08:48 PM
ohhhh baby

landfill
07-17-2014, 11:50 PM
Great build! Try out the new APR supercharger instead of the PES.
They ran a 10.6 in a close to full weight b7 rs4.
This car would fuckin RIP.

LINDW4LL
07-17-2014, 11:57 PM
Crazy. Do you know how much the car weighs now that it's been stripped? kg/lb?

JanAimar
07-18-2014, 03:37 AM
Great build! Try out the new APR supercharger instead of the PES.
They ran a 10.6 in a close to full weight b7 rs4.
This car would fuckin RIP.

Already have a race ready setup I`m gonna buy. That car goes like a rocket so I`m excited to see how it goes in my little b5 :)


Crazy. Do you know how much the car weighs now that it's been stripped? kg/lb?

Never got to weigh it with the v6, but it should be quite alot lighter now when I have taken so much out of the car and not alot will go back in :)
I will update with some weigths when its all done hopefully this winter !

JanAimar
07-18-2014, 03:43 AM
[eek] So clean while hauling

It gets good care :) Important for me that the car looks good even if I`m using it. This is after last years waxing

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JanAimar
07-18-2014, 03:47 AM
Im going to paint the car now thats it's going widebody. Want a little more racelook and have been thinking about going for a matte color but not really sure.
Matte Daytona is the color I have been thinking about alot but haven't seen another B5 with the same color so its hard to decide. Anybody have some good color tips ?
Cool if you could put in some pictures with the color name :)

TheWaterboy
07-18-2014, 11:04 PM
Okay so I want info on that Hydro setup. Just beautiful man.

What rear diff are you using as well?!

tmorgan4
07-19-2014, 02:24 AM
Very cool project! Please document the Motec installation on the 4.2 if possible. I've been looking at going to a full standalone ECM and hadn't found many Audis with full standalones.

JanAimar
07-19-2014, 03:47 AM
Okay so I want info on that Hydro setup. Just beautiful man.

What rear diff are you using as well?!

Hydro setup ? I don't follow. Please enlighten me x)
I run an S2 avant rear diff with manual diff lock, but I also have a S4 B5 diff I will be welding.


Very cool project! Please document the Motec installation on the 4.2 if possible. I've been looking at going to a full standalone ECM and hadn't found many Audis with full standalones.

The wiring is already done I`m afraid. Im buying a complete ready supercharger it (im actually just gonna trade motors with him).
Yeah you Americans sure love the oem ECU I have noticed.In my opinion you get alot of pro's on running aftermarket ecu's like Motec and so on. But sure you can make it work with the oem ecu. I used it on the V6, but never really felt it was as good as it could be.

TheWaterboy
07-19-2014, 04:34 AM
Hydro setup ? I don't follow. Please enlighten me x)
I run an S2 avant rear diff with manual diff lock, but I also have a S4 B5 diff I will be welding.



The wiring is already done I`m afraid. Im buying a complete ready supercharger it (im actually just gonna trade motors with him).
Yeah you Americans sure love the oem ECU I have noticed.In my opinion you get alot of pro's on running aftermarket ecu's like Motec and so on. But sure you can make it work with the oem ecu. I used it on the V6, but never really felt it was as good as it could be.

The handbrake, it's known in drifting and rally circles a a hydraulic or "hydro" e brake/handbrake. I've heard of S2 diffs into these, was it drop in? I'm currently building my RWD A4, doing a dedicated drift car with an LSx power plant.

JanAimar
07-19-2014, 11:37 AM
The handbrake, it's known in drifting and rally circles a a hydraulic or "hydro" e brake/handbrake. I've heard of S2 diffs into these, was it drop in? I'm currently building my RWD A4, doing a dedicated drift car with an LSx power plant.

Oh, of course :p I use the original brake fluid container and run a steel braided line from here to the handbrake (OBP) and on back to the "sellholm" valve (don't know if you guys have something similar in the US). From the valve I run a tube to a Y-piece that connects to the backwheels.
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You can see the line from the handbrake in one end of the valve and a line from the master cylinder in the other end. Inside there a piston that moves when I use the handbrake or the pedal. That way they wont "interfer" with eachother.

The S2 diff is bolt up as long as you get one from avant or sedan. Coupe will not be bolt on as that is another subframe setup. B4-B5 is very alike.

JanAimar
07-19-2014, 11:39 AM
The handbrake, it's known in drifting and rally circles a a hydraulic or "hydro" e brake/handbrake. I've heard of S2 diffs into these, was it drop in? I'm currently building my RWD A4, doing a dedicated drift car with an LSx power plant.

Looking forward to seeing some pictures from this. Are you going to do anything with the front suspension to get some more steering angle ? Not many rwd Audi driftcars :D

TheWaterboy
07-19-2014, 11:59 AM
Looking forward to seeing some pictures from this. Are you going to do anything with the front suspension to get some more steering angle ? Not many rwd Audi driftcars :D

I'm doing a pretty common mod on the front knuckles, by shortening the part that connects to the steering rack. Probably have to grind down the steering stops as well. As far as suspension geometry, I'm going to start with stock specs and tune from there.

Melo
07-19-2014, 11:59 AM
I like where this is going! Great job man [up]

TheWaterboy
07-19-2014, 12:03 PM
Oh, of course :p I use the original brake fluid container and run a steel braided line from here to the handbrake (OBP) and on back to the "sellholm" valve (don't know if you guys have something similar in the US). From the valve I run a tube to a Y-piece that connects to the backwheels.
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You can see the line from the handbrake in one end of the valve and a line from the master cylinder in the other end. Inside there a piston that moves when I use the handbrake or the pedal. That way they wont "interfer" with eachother.

The S2 diff is bolt up as long as you get one from avant or sedan. Coupe will not be bolt on as that is another subframe setup. B4-B5 is very alike.

Pure genius with that setup. I know a lot of guys that run handbrake a out here don't do it properly, and can't use the brake pedal when the handbrake is pulled.

I'll be in the market for an S2 diff now too! For now I'll just be welding the rear.

TheWaterboy
07-19-2014, 12:09 PM
Have been wanting to get the car as light as possible so removed all off the wiring that was needed because the last setup was with Motronic.

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I've got the exact same setup for my door pulls hahahaha

JanAimar
07-19-2014, 12:13 PM
Pure genius with that setup. I know a lot of guys that run handbrake a out here don't do it properly, and can't use the brake pedal when the handbrake is pulled.

I'll be in the market for an S2 diff now too! For now I'll just be welding the rear.

Probably best to just weld it if it's gonna be 100% driftcar. I know a lot of 4wd drifters have trashed the rear diff because there is too much movement in the diff lock gears.

MarcusDubya77
07-19-2014, 12:23 PM
Wow..This will be amazing!

Monty23
07-21-2014, 07:03 AM
The S2 diff is bolt up as long as you get one from avant or sedan. Coupe will not be bolt on as that is another subframe setup. B4-B5 is very alike.

Thank you for this very good info! It sucks we need the rear diff controller though. I bet some clever plumbing and valves could eliminate this.

Any word on how strong these rear diffs are? are they comparable to the b5 s4 rear diffs?

Meow
07-21-2014, 07:26 AM
:jawdropgif:

JanAimar
07-21-2014, 07:51 AM
Thank you for this very good info! It sucks we need the rear diff controller though. I bet some clever plumbing and valves could eliminate this.

Any word on how strong these rear diffs are? are they comparable to the b5 s4 rear diffs?

I just used some thick steel wire and tied around the diff to get it to lock and then took it off when I wanted to move it around the workshop xD

Never heard that the rear diffs have been a real problem so I`m gonna guess that they are a about just as strong. Maybe the diff lock system being the weakest point? But there ALOT of 7-800hp old Audi's in Norway running these diffs without problems.^

Monty23
07-21-2014, 08:51 AM
I just used some thick steel wire and tied around the diff to get it to lock and then took it off when I wanted to move it around the workshop xD

Never heard that the rear diffs have been a real problem so I`m gonna guess that they are a about just as strong. Maybe the diff lock system being the weakest point? But there ALOT of 7-800hp old Audi's in Norway running these diffs without problems.^

Good to hear. I didn't actually look at the pictures of the diff that hard. It should be easy to make an electric servo to actuate the locking mechanism! I want to be be able to lock and unlock the diff as I DD my car. I would only need the diff locked for drag racing.

JanAimar
07-21-2014, 09:13 AM
Good to hear. I didn't actually look at the pictures of the diff that hard. It should be easy to make an electric servo to actuate the locking mechanism! I want to be be able to lock and unlock the diff as I DD my car. I would only need the diff locked for drag racing.

Yeah shouldn't be a problem at all :) If you get the original actuator that sits on the diff you would just need to provide it with vacuum on and off. Dont know how easy it is to acquire the diff lock control box in the US? I have a couple of them in the garage, but the shipping would probably kill it ?

NOTORIOUS VR
07-21-2014, 09:39 AM
Good to hear. I didn't actually look at the pictures of the diff that hard. It should be easy to make an electric servo to actuate the locking mechanism! I want to be be able to lock and unlock the diff as I DD my car. I would only need the diff locked for drag racing.

I'm pretty sure the diff lock mechanism in the B4 chassis cars are still vacuum operated. The control box only does things like decouple over a certain speed, and also interrupt the ABS system when you lock the diff, etc.

Also, I highly doubt you would be spinning just one rear wheel so I don't see the point for putting in a diff for drag racing at all.

landfill
07-21-2014, 11:09 AM
^^^Why does everyone say you don't need it for drag racing.
All the muscle guys in the NHRA run spool locks and all the import guys run LSD or similar locked diffs.
It improves traction at the strip amongst other things.

NOTORIOUS VR
07-21-2014, 11:42 AM
^^^Why does everyone say you don't need it for drag racing.
All the muscle guys in the NHRA run spool locks and all the import guys run LSD or similar locked diffs.
It improves traction at the strip amongst other things.

Because traction generally isn't an issue in a quattro car... I was pulling 1.68 60' on worn out 18" street tires dumping the clutch on launch control making over 12 psi.

On a two wheel drive car sure, you have only two wheels fighting for traction but the minute the initial load shift from the launch is over you have 4 wheels pulling for traction not two. IMO the difference will be quite minor in terms of drag launching performance, if at all. But try it and document the changes and then we'll see!

USAF Long
07-21-2014, 09:56 PM
Subscribing for awesomeness.

TheWaterboy
07-21-2014, 10:12 PM
Also subb'd

martin0079
07-22-2014, 12:58 AM
Not to be a dick but that is a pretty poor engine choice the added pain from the direct injection alone is enough to say give me a timing belt 4.2 over that one.

On top of that choosing a supercharger that doesn't make power. It almost sounds like you are staying with the same output or less with a heavier engine. Even the mrc pes car only made 100 more out of the engine.

JanAimar
07-22-2014, 02:08 AM
Not to be a dick but that is a pretty poor engine choice the added pain from the direct injection alone is enough to say give me a timing belt 4.2 over that one.

On top of that choosing a supercharger that doesn't make power. It almost sounds like you are staying with the same output or less with a heavier engine. Even the mrc pes car only made 100 more out of the engine.

You gotta make the right mods :) The intake is machined to fit normal injectors and it got Motec. The engine is already mapped and sitting in another car that goes like hell. 583hk and 605nm on the crank with this. They couldn't go any higher because of the high cylinder pressure. So this is absolute max and at the same having the best curves.
Also I highly doubt this engine is any heavier than the 2,7t. I am weigh them both and put the weights out here.
But you are correct the output will stay about the same. The change is that I get the V8 ready in the car so I can build turbos later and also this is a much more safe setup than k04 on 2 bars of pressure xD You could actually hear the turbos crying.

martin0079
07-22-2014, 02:42 AM
You gotta make the right mods :) The intake is machined to fit normal injectors and it got Motec. The engine is already mapped and sitting in another car that goes like hell. 583hk and 605nm on the crank with this. They couldn't go any higher because of the high cylinder pressure. So this is absolute max and at the same having the best curves.
Also I highly doubt this engine is any heavier than the 2,7t. I am weigh them both and put the weights out here.
But you are correct the output will stay about the same. The change is that I get the V8 ready in the car so I can build turbos later and also this is a much more safe setup than k04 on 2 bars of pressure xD You could actually hear the turbos crying.

No need for turbos if you get a better supercharger. The APR one sad to say is currently the best on the market. Even though they are known for slow and safe they some how managed to actually accomplished making some impressive numbers for once.


http://youtu.be/PU2yTdG75vA

JanAimar
07-22-2014, 02:55 AM
Superchargers are so damn pricy. I want this :
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And that means more power :) No substitute for turbopower !

NOTORIOUS VR
07-22-2014, 07:09 AM
Not to be a dick but that is a pretty poor engine choice the added pain from the direct injection alone is enough to say give me a timing belt 4.2 over that one..

Wut? The 4.2 from the RS4 is probably one of the best if not THE best 4.2 from Audi ever built. Forged internals, fantastic heads and cams. They don't have chain or guide issues either.

DI isn't an issue, he's running a motec. The OP is doing it right.

I'm very curious as to why you think any timing belt 4.2 is better then the RS4 engine.

getslideways
07-22-2014, 08:08 AM
/\ my guess is he was referring to the carbon buildup issues associated with the DI RS4

given the choice between the two, I would still want the RS4

NOTORIOUS VR
07-22-2014, 08:49 AM
/\ my guess is he was referring to the carbon buildup issues associated with the DI RS4

given the choice between the two, I would still want the RS4

Possibly you're right, but the carbon build up issue is so over done IMO... Plus the guy is building a race car... PCV system will not likely be factory either.

Flat out saying the guy made the wrong engine choice is quite an odd thing to say though, especially considering the caliber of the RS4 motor.

USAF Long
07-22-2014, 11:08 AM
Supercharged FSI 4.2L can run a 10 second 1/4 in a full interior street RS4 so I think he will have plenty of power for a stripped down track car.

JanAimar
07-22-2014, 11:23 AM
I think an engine that runs 8200rpm from factory will do just fine in my car :) When removing the downsides of this engine I think it will be invincible. But time will show. It will surely get abuse :)

Jake@JHM
07-22-2014, 11:32 AM
Sweet car [up]

JanAimar
07-22-2014, 11:34 AM
Sweet car [up]

Thanks !

JanAimar
07-22-2014, 11:44 AM
Some more pictures can't hurt ? I know thats what I look at when I am browsing through project threads :p

Last shipment of parts I got
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Tilton clutch I had from the last engine
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RS4 linkage
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Random pics
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Turbochange
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Followed by :
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Twin turbo teaser :
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getslideways
07-22-2014, 12:28 PM
this about sums up my excitement for this project based on that last pic:

http://riversofgrue.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/zpmd7d0.gif

keep the updates and pics rolling in [up]

JanAimar
07-22-2014, 12:47 PM
I agree :D It's gotta go twin turbo, but not yet :)

JanAimar
07-22-2014, 01:35 PM
Track pics :

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How the original 2,7tt rods look after a while with 2 bars of boost and e85
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R1CH-5100
07-22-2014, 01:45 PM
After everything you've shown us, you show us a dirty coolant tank?! For shame

JanAimar
07-22-2014, 01:52 PM
After everything you've shown us, you show us a dirty coolant tank?! For shame

Haha. Bothered the hell out off me too. Better now ? :)

martin0079
07-22-2014, 04:13 PM
Possibly you're right, but the carbon build up issue is so over done IMO... Plus the guy is building a race car... PCV system will not likely be factory either.

Flat out saying the guy made the wrong engine choice is quite an odd thing to say though, especially considering the caliber of the RS4 motor.

Being the first guy to find the weak point on a 5k plus engine is why.

Jake@JHM
07-22-2014, 04:18 PM
We have run 10s multiple times on a stock engine - Full weight RS4.

R1CH-5100
07-22-2014, 04:44 PM
Haha. Bothered the hell out off me too. Better now ? :)

haha, well played sir

27litres
07-22-2014, 05:20 PM
Wow!

Gotta love it when someone has a built 2.7TT and decides it isn't powerful enough!

Good luck!

landfill
07-22-2014, 05:52 PM
It's a good motor but yeah with early FSI
there's potential for more headaches. I would
still love to see a b5 with one and a new Jhm
or apr supercharger. Should be an interesting build
and results.

leftytsouk
07-22-2014, 10:34 PM
Everything looks very professional! Very nice!!

JanAimar
07-23-2014, 01:49 AM
With no FSI there will obviously not be a problem with the FSI and the carbon buildup will not be a subject as the injectors are constantly washing the valves and heads with fuel :)

MarcusDubya77
07-23-2014, 03:04 AM
Not to be a dick but that is a pretty poor engine choice the added pain from the direct injection alone is enough to say give me a timing belt 4.2 over that one.

On top of that choosing a supercharger that doesn't make power. It almost sounds like you are staying with the same output or less with a heavier engine. Even the mrc pes car only made 100 more out of the engine.

You, Sir, are high as a giraffe's ass...

Hovde
07-23-2014, 05:12 AM
Didn't know you had a thread here Jan Aimar! [:D]
You go girl [;)]

JanAimar
07-23-2014, 05:22 AM
Didn't know you had a thread here Jan Aimar! [:D]
You go girl [;)]

Hoping to get some good inputs from the other side of the atlantic :)
Still waiting for somebody to bring some good color tips for a racing B5 :)

Hovde
07-23-2014, 05:40 AM
I've toyed around with the idea of a V8 DTM inspired look on a B5.. not sure it's what you're looking for though?

https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2607/3662163961_0a744c21ea_z.jpg

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/images/gallery/techno2013/33674.jpg

JanAimar
07-23-2014, 05:53 AM
Have thought about the old colors yes. Love the wing on the old 200 trans am as well. Im just worried that the B5 body is too "round" ?

http://www.supercars.net/gallery/119513/2093/872307.jpg

Hovde
07-23-2014, 05:57 AM
Yeah.. know what you mean.. Hmm.. come to think of it, the S1 Pikes Peak livery might actually work?

http://www.supercars.net/gallery/119513/2015/858336.jpg

JanAimar
07-23-2014, 06:04 AM
Haven't found anything I have fallen in love with yet. I need it to be mindblowing after all the money and time I am gonna throw in this car x)

Hovde
07-23-2014, 06:15 AM
Haha, I totally agree! Keep up the good work [hail]

RedB5S4
07-23-2014, 06:22 AM
You Europeans are insane. Good luck with the build!!

atenza_freak
07-23-2014, 06:28 AM
Badass build so jealous

JanAimar
07-23-2014, 02:39 PM
You Europeans are insane. Good luck with the build!!

Naaah, I see alot of PRICY projects on here :o


Badass build so jealous

Thanks ! Just start one of your own!

Eurotuned_A4
07-23-2014, 03:23 PM
Sweet build. Not sure if anyone knows, or if it really mattes but whats the weigth difference between 2.7t and 4.2 fsi motors?

JanAimar
07-23-2014, 03:31 PM
Sweet build. Not sure if anyone knows, or if it really mattes but whats the weigth difference between 2.7t and 4.2 fsi motors?

I will weigh both and put it out here. I'm pretty sure the v8 won't be heavier and wouldn't be suprised if it was lighter. The 2,7 block is a fucking anker !!

gmx
07-24-2014, 01:24 AM
is that B7 RS4 gear linkage?
Please if you can show us 0a3 mounting on the subframe/fabrication involved and any linkage modifications would be awesome.

JanAimar
07-24-2014, 03:28 AM
is that B7 RS4 gear linkage?
Please if you can show us 0a3 mounting on the subframe/fabrication involved and any linkage modifications would be awesome.

Correct. The linkage will be bolt on without modifications but I haven't decided how to do the tranny mounts yet. My teammate uses a 0A3 in his 2,7tt rs4 and there they have modified some mounts from B5 and used the original mounts in the subframe. So I am looking into doing the same. Will put out some pics in the process ;)

AudiA4_20T
07-24-2014, 07:31 AM
this is awesome

8520
07-24-2014, 08:36 AM
Correct. The linkage will be bolt on without modifications but I haven't decided how to do the tranny mounts yet. My teammate uses a 0A3 in his 2,7tt rs4 and there they have modified some mounts from B5 and used the original mounts in the subframe. So I am looking into doing the same. Will put out some pics in the process ;)

If you're talking about a b7 rs4 with a 2.7t, I'm going to need some pics.

LINDW4LL
07-24-2014, 08:43 AM
If you're talking about a b7 rs4 with a 2.7t, I'm going to need some pics.
I think he was talking about B5 RS 4. But...


http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/24/ba8ymuza.jpg

AudiA4_20T
07-24-2014, 08:45 AM
If you're talking about a b7 rs4 with a 2.7t, I'm going to need some pics.

0A3 is a B6/B7 S4 trans

NOTORIOUS VR
07-24-2014, 11:31 AM
0A3 is a B6/B7 S4 trans

Problem with them is they don't have a VSS (since the newer cars use ABS sensors for VSS), so no speedo.

Also I've been lead to believe the O1E is still king when it comes to taking abuse and large amounts of power

AudiA4_20T
07-24-2014, 11:33 AM
Problem with them is they don't have a VSS (since the newer cars use ABS sensors for VSS), so no speedo.

Also I've been lead to believe the O1E is still king when it comes to taking abuse and large amounts of power

This is true. However, if you can grab the ABS speed it should be the same input type, you would just need to wire it from the wheel to the speed wire on the car. I don't think that would be too hard.

Not sure on the strength piece, it is a Getrag transmission but I don't know if anyone has really started finding the limit yet. It's an interesting trans though, first is longer and the rest of the gears are shorter.

NOTORIOUS VR
07-24-2014, 11:43 AM
This is true. However, if you can grab the ABS speed it should be the same input type, you would just need to wire it from the wheel to the speed wire on the car. I don't think that would be too hard.

Not sure on the strength piece, it is a Getrag transmission but I don't know if anyone has really started finding the limit yet. It's an interesting trans though, first is longer and the rest of the gears are shorter.

Correct both are going to be VR/mag sensors, problem is the tooth count and probably size of the wheel is going to be different.

AudiA4_20T
07-24-2014, 11:57 AM
Correct both are going to be VR/mag sensors, problem is the tooth count and probably size of the wheel is going to be different.

Right. I know there was a B5 A4 guy from Australia than ran 11s with the 0A3 in the mid 2000s. Also a guy from Europe who did the RS6 manual swap with the 0A3. Not sure what they did.

JanAimar
07-24-2014, 12:10 PM
If you're talking about a b7 rs4 with a 2.7t, I'm going to need some pics.
Nope. It's a damn nice B5 :)
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t34.0-12/10388498_10203246586559041_468461896_n.jpg?oh=1f5f 6eca5516816af80c5be2fc69a021&oe=53D332D5&__gda__=1406336161_34c3b4e0876017df3815d0cb2c2a7cc f

JanAimar
07-24-2014, 12:13 PM
Problem with them is they don't have a VSS (since the newer cars use ABS sensors for VSS), so no speedo.

Also I've been lead to believe the O1E is still king when it comes to taking abuse and large amounts of power

I've heard the opposite. But what better way to test it then to track it and abuse it :) I've driven my car with the 01E and my teammates with 0A3 and his car behaves so much better. It wants to on the curves where mine understeers like hell. So I think it's gonna be a nice transmission to get the ass out when doing a little powersliding.

gmx
07-24-2014, 10:14 PM
Correct. The linkage will be bolt on without modifications but I haven't decided how to do the tranny mounts yet. My teammate uses a 0A3 in his 2,7tt rs4 and there they have modified some mounts from B5 and used the original mounts in the subframe. So I am looking into doing the same. Will put out some pics in the process ;)

Nice, look forward it [:)]
Does your teammate use motronic or alternate management system also?

Clint & NYC:
There should be some working solutions out there, some local guy got it working on his manual-swapped C5 RS6 still running Motronic. His on Nefmoto, you might be familiar with him. Not sure if you have confused his location with Europe or if there is another one there.
It has been swapped into a B5 RS4 by MRC, still runs Motronic, they won't reveal what they did though.
Lucas ran it in his A4 in Melbourne, Aus. He runs Autronic.
Standalone is popular here and a last resort but prefer to stay Motronic


if you take pics of the additional goodies like front driveshafts and propshaft, would be cool as well JanAimar.
Very impressive [cool]

JanAimar
07-25-2014, 02:00 AM
He runs Motronic, but because of the MTM program that is in it there are no faultcodes and everything works like a charm. Theres no speedo in the car. We haven't really bothered using to much time on it since it's a trackcar.
I will have to look a little closer on his car to find out what axles etc where used so I can do the same on mine.

NOTORIOUS VR
07-25-2014, 06:24 AM
I've heard the opposite. But what better way to test it then to track it and abuse it :) I've driven my car with the 01E and my teammates with 0A3 and his car behaves so much better. It wants to on the curves where mine understeers like hell. So I think it's gonna be a nice transmission to get the ass out when doing a little powersliding.

Well yes the newer V8 tranny has the split ratio center differential, but this can be done on your 01E as well... Either way good luck!

JanAimar
07-30-2014, 03:40 PM
Got some new parts today. Black series bushing for the rear arms and Yellowstuff pads for the new brakes. Should be ready to take down the subframe now and paint a little and put up some new bushings.
Also ordered an APR spoiler with some custom mounts from a nice guy on the forum here. Really looking forward to seeing how this will do on my car :)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t34.0-12/10568057_10204631075406992_1253920096_n.jpg?oh=3fe 7011b5eaa4bd79b6c7f692ea421b8&oe=53DB69C8&__gda__=1406884441_68f124af7a01f7a6a341086dc919de7 2

McGovs2.7TB5
07-31-2014, 05:52 AM
awesome build, in for more updates

ggg20t
07-31-2014, 06:18 AM
Go with this if youre thinking classic paint scheme. Btcc ftw. Awesome build!

http://i564.photobucket.com/albums/ss87/ggg20t/79CB3494-7765-4F9B-9F6D-CF8AC3C06A7D_zpsunepogks.jpg (http://s564.photobucket.com/user/ggg20t/media/79CB3494-7765-4F9B-9F6D-CF8AC3C06A7D_zpsunepogks.jpg.html)

JanAimar
07-31-2014, 06:28 AM
Have looked at different dtm and stcc liveries, but haven't find the one for me yet.. But keep the ideas flowing. Remember that it is going to be a widebody.

JanAimar
08-18-2014, 04:05 AM
The last few days have gone into rebuilding my Transporter. Got a facelift front on it and some h&r coilovers. Pretty happy with the outcome :) http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/18/renyga2a.jpg


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TheWaterboy
08-18-2014, 04:06 AM
Doppppeeeee

TheWaterboy
08-18-2014, 04:13 AM
Thought of your build at a Subaru meet this weekend, you might be interested in this spoiler set up.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/18/6yjebeba.jpg

This car won best of show. For the spoiler, he took some " plate, cut a slot into the top of the quarter panel, dropped the plate down and tied it into the chassis. He was standing on his wing to show how strong the whole setup was. Im going to go this route as well

*EDIT*

Found a pic of him standing on the wing on Instagram haha

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/18/te8ytuqu.jpg

JanAimar
08-18-2014, 06:36 AM
My wing arrives tomorrow with custom mounts :) a wee bit excited


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VMRWheels
08-19-2014, 10:07 AM
moar photos of that wing!

melomandn
08-20-2014, 08:59 AM
I love projects out of Norway

JanAimar
08-21-2014, 09:21 AM
Testing on teammates car this weekend :) http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/22/ysasa7az.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/22/5uba3yne.jpg


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NOTORIOUS VR
08-21-2014, 09:48 AM
UGH... Compomotive wheels in white + Matte Blue = WIN!

Monty23
08-21-2014, 09:56 AM
UGH... Compomotive wheels in white + Matte Blue = WIN!

+ widebody [drool]

VMRWheels
08-21-2014, 10:48 AM
+ widebody [drool]

+ white cage [wrench][drool]

JanAimar
08-21-2014, 01:13 PM
Its pure porn :)


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TheWaterboy
08-21-2014, 01:17 PM
Testing on teammates car this weekend :) http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/22/ysasa7az.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/22/5uba3yne.jpg


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http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/22/ygy9eve9.jpg

getslideways
08-21-2014, 02:44 PM
*EDIT*

Found a pic of him standing on the wing on Instagram haha

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/18/te8ytuqu.jpg

Wingwalking FTW!

http://www.mens-w.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/1970-Plymouth-Superbird.jpg
(OK... its wing sitting, but couldn't dig up the pics of people standing an them, although they do exist lol)

JanAimar
08-31-2014, 01:35 PM
There was a shitload of rain last weekend so we didn't really get to test the wing, but it sure looked good on the :) Can't wait to mount it on my car. Just need to get all the carbon parts done first.
It is advisable to take down your pants before you look at picture as there might be stains



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un1ko
01-28-2015, 10:15 AM
Love the build! I love the color!! Awesome!! [up]

R1CH-5100
01-28-2015, 10:31 AM
Could you do a photo shoot for us? That thing looks beautiful!

landfill
02-01-2015, 02:33 AM
Great car & build. I have 2 questions for you did you cut out the rear speaker deck and
for the rear b5 rs4 valance on the sedan did you use the actual rs4 avant bumper or did
you cut the lower portion off the avant bumper and mold it into the b5 sedan bumper.
The second route I'm debating doing if I go wide body.

Cacti
02-01-2015, 08:22 AM
judging by the pic he cut the top portion off a sedan bumper and molded it to the RS4, that is what i plan on doing to mine.

bobkatkat
02-01-2015, 10:11 AM
Great car & build. I have 2 questions for you did you cut out the rear speaker deck and
for the rear b5 rs4 valance on the sedan did you use the actual rs4 avant bumper or did
you cut the lower portion off the avant bumper and mold it into the b5 sedan bumper.
The second route I'm debating doing if I go wide body.


You have to mate the top part of a S4 bumper to the bottom of the RS4 bumper. The hatch of the RS4 cuts deep into the bumper. Also the tail lights are different in that the first 4 inches or so past the hatch opening are different.

If you look at the picture showing the cage, the rear deck and bracing was all cut out. Most likely to make room for the cage and new cross brace and all the reinforcing that would be needed. The oem design is good but all that material is paper thin.