James Bond Style Smoke Screen...!!!

[betyouaint]

So, after my post last night about a whistling noise when off boost, followed by this morning's addendum to include losing power on the highway, I left work early with the intention of limping the car home the 40 odd miles and checking the DV for leaks. I had barely driven 50 yards before I checked my rear view mirror and discovered that the world behind me had been drowned in a sea of thick white smoke. I drove for another mile hoping the smoke would thin out but it just got thicker and when I eventually pulled over the entire road was completely obscured. It was poring from the tailpipe almost like a liquid. James Bond's DB5 smokescreen had nothing on this and you couldn't see more than a few feet...!!!

So, not sure what failed in the end but it doesn't look good. AAA dropped it at my local Audi dealer who were astonished at the amount of smoke when I drove it off the back of the tow truck. After reversing off, I had to sit for around 30-40 seconds while the smoke cleared in front of me so I could see to drive forward.

The video shows the car at idle producing only a fraction of the smoke and the engine sounds like a bag of nails. [=(]



http://youtu.be/Kjooslp9hxo

http://www.legoheads.com/A4tow.jpg

[mec]

oil in the exhaust

[AudiTechS4]

why does you engine sound like it has rocks in it ?

[vce1232000]

blown turbo[confused]

[betyouaint]

Oil in the combustion. The car was doing this from cold within a 100 yards so the exhaust wouldn't have been hot enough to burn the oil.

Whether from the intake or directly in the cylinder is yet to be determined. Either could be fairly expensive.

Not sure if it is related to the previous symptoms but likely it is, which probably means oil in the intake.

[Jake@JHM]

I am going to take a random guess.

The whistle you heard was the sound that your PCV was making as it failed. Now that it failed, air is getting pushed into your crank case forcing oil past the rings and into your turbo.

At least that is what happens if you incorrectly boost leak check your car and then you start it. (Creates a smoke screen)

edit:

Damn, got caught up on the phone and didn't get to post it right away.

[mec]

I am going to take a random guess.

The whistle you heard was the sound that your PCV was making as it failed. Now that it failed, air is getting pushed into your crank case forcing oil past the rings and into your turbo.

At least that is what happens if you incorrectly boost leak check your car and then you start it. (Creates a smoke screen)

DING DING DING! We have a winner. Lets see what today's prize is!



http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lj9bhrnKfy1qzmowao1_500.jpg

Jake it looks like you will be receiving a bacon weave mug filled to the brim with bacon grease! This should put your mind at ease about any cam follower issues you may run into!

[betyouaint]

I am going to take a random guess.

The whistle you heard was the sound that your PCV was making as it failed. Now that it failed, air is getting pushed into your crank case forcing oil past the rings and into your turbo.

At least that is what happens if you incorrectly boost leak check your car and then you start it. (Creates a smoke screen)

Yeah... I'm trying to make all the symptoms fit a single failure and your guess sounds reasonable. That said, why the almost complete loss of power for the final few miles this morning. Would the failing PCV account for that? And why no MIL/CEL...?

I've always suspected I had issues with that PCV ever since they changed it and I've tried to blame it for excessive oil consumption. Today, the consumption of oil was even more excessive than usual...!!! [;)]

[Jake@JHM]

DING DING DING! We have a winner. Lets see what today's prize is!



http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lj9bhrnKfy1qzmowao1_500.jpg

Jake it looks like you will be receiving a bacon weave mug filled to the brim with bacon grease! This should put your mind at ease about any cam follower issues you may run into!

OMG I love my life

[Jake@JHM]

Yeah... I'm trying to make all the symptoms fit a single failure and your guess sounds reasonable. That said, why the almost complete loss of power for the final few miles this morning. Would the failing PCV account for that? And why no MIL/CEL...?

I've always suspected I had issues with that PCV ever since they changed it and I've tried to blame it for excessive oil consumption. Today, the consumption for oil was even more excessive...!!!

Definitely. It is a massive internal boost leak! No CEL because the air pasted through all the sensors fine, but then leaked internally.

You don't always know you are dying from internal bleeding..well until your dead!

[betyouaint]

Funny that there was no smoke this morning during the loss of power. It was like 3 distinct phases: whistle - loss of power but whistle gone - lots of smoke and no power.

Hopefully a new PCV will fix it and I may even see normal oil consumption afterwards? I wouldn't care, but I've always driven this thing like an old man as I'm slowly turning into my dad.

[mec]

Easy way to check, sniff the exhaust (not too much or you might get high!)

If it smells very bitter its oil.
Sweet = coolant
dirty=regular exhaust
Salty = too many french fries cooked in the vegetable oil before you put it in the tank!

[Jake@JHM]

Well if you are catted, you may have an issue there depending on how much oil is pushed through so I would take that off and check it out. (if test pipe, remove and clean)

The new PCV should help with oil consumption unless you are having other issues like cylinder wall scoring etc..

Jake

[Luis_Heineken]

how much for that engine cover? mine dont have the audi rings

[Dregalia91]

how much for that engine cover? mine dont have the audi rings

I'll sell ya mine!

[Mister W]

Failed pcv? Didnt read the thread, i had to go pee

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[mec]

Maybe you have the A4 that was supposed to be delivered to James bond, and James bond has yours and he is trying to escape from villains but he can't because the smoke screen is in your car....

[vce1232000]

how much for that engine cover? mine dont have the audi rings
I'm [confused]. Does the rings OOOO make the engine[wrench] perform better ???[facepalm] Just Sayin????.....lol..

[mec]

It looks better...


let me translate what you just said.

VCE1232000: I'm Question mark face. Does the rings OOOO(orgasm?) make the engine wrenching action perform better??? slap my face just saying????lol

[betyouaint]

Well if you are catted, you may have an issue there depending on how much oil is pushed through so I would take that off and check it out. (if test pipe, remove and clean)

The new PCV should help with oil consumption unless you are having other issues like cylinder wall scoring etc..

Jake

Well... it's at the dealers right now so I can't do much of anything right now.

Not sure if you'd seen any of my previous posts regarding my oil consumption? In short, the dealer replaced the PCV valve due to TSB around 18 months ago shortly after which time the oil consumption went from less than 1QT per 10,000 miles to 1QT every 1200 miles. Audi have done 2 oil consumption tests (they botched the first) and declared everything within limits. The sudden, rather than gradual increase in consumption after the PCV valve change always had me suspecting that as the culprit. Being that it may well have failed despite it being the upgraded item within 25,000 miles leads me to believe it was always at least somewhat faulty to begin with. Like I said before, I drive like my old dad so the PCV valve hasn't had a stressful existence.

[betyouaint]

Maybe you have the A4 that was supposed to be delivered to James bond, and James bond has yours and he is trying to escape from villains but he can't because the smoke screen is in your car....
That being the case, is it possible I also have front mounted machine guns to rid the highway of those clowns that hang around in the fast lane...? [drive]

[mec]

That being the case, is it possible I also have front mounted machine guns to rid the highway of those clowns that hang around in the fast lane...? [drive]

I wouldn't doubt it, probably have a passenger eject seat. let your wife know that you will no longer tolerate nagging!

[vce1232000]

It looks better...


let me translate what you just said.

VCE1232000: I'm Question mark face. Does the rings OOOO(orgasm?) make the engine wrenching action perform better??? slap my face just saying????lol

Let me fix that for you Martin

Im confused([confused]). Does the rings OOOO make the engine( [wrench]installOOOO) perform better??? (Sigh...[facepalm])?...laughing out load......

[mec]

I don't know about you but I don't usually have question marks float above my head...ever.....or install engine covers with a wrench! this post did make me[facepalm]

lol JK buddy...At least youve cut down a bit.

[vce1232000]

That being the case, is it possible I also have front mounted machine guns to rid the highway of those clowns that hang around in the fast lane...? [drive]

Front [wrench] machine guns are obsolete. The new technology is lasers[drool]. Its also the fool proof way to win a race with another Audi with BT [wrench].

[betyouaint]

Does the rings OOOO make the engine( [wrench]installOOOO) perform better??? (Sigh...[facepalm])?...laughing out load......

It sure helped mine perform admirably... [poop]

[vce1232000]

I don't know about you but I don't usually have question marks float above my head...ever.....or install engine covers with a wrench! this post did make me[facepalm]

lol JK buddy...At least youve cut down a bit.

Well...keep reading my posts and you will have [confused] question marks above your head[headbang][headbang]. Mite even be a few of those too[confused].....lol

[vce1232000]

It sure helped mine perform admirably... [poop]

Maybe those rings OOOO performed so well it took out your PVC system[confused][eek]

[mec]

If I owned Audizine, I would make it so you had to pay for emoticons....you get 5 for the week, any more than that you gotta pay for them. MWAHAHAHAHAHA maybe that's why I can never have nice things?

[vce1232000]

If I owned Audizine, I would make it so you had to pay for emoticons....you get 5 for the week, any more than that you gotta pay for them. MWAHAHAHAHAHA maybe that's why I can never have nice things?

Your a MEAN MAN Martin..... You hurt my feeelings... You make me [=(][=(][=(]...lol

[mec]

Your a MEAN MAN Martin..... You hurt my feeelings... You make me [=(][=(][=(]...lol
I'm a wicked wicked man [evilsmile][evilsmile][evilsmile][evilsmile][evilsmile]
Well thats my quota for the week. guess I'm all done til next monday.

[wildcat333]

OP, is it in Nashua or Stratham?

[aluthman]

Doesn't look like Stratham Audi to me. It looks too janky. Stratham Audi is much nicer from what I remember.

[betyouaint]

Stratham... the lesser of two evils...!!!

I bought the car from Nashua but when I took it there due to some intermittent CELs they said they could only read them if the light was on. I knew this to be incorrect but they refused to read them despite the fact I'd made an appointment and driven down there early one morning before work. Later the same day I called Stratham and relayed the story. They read the codes and did the work all covered by the CPO. I have still had some issues with Stratham but on the whole they've been okay. I would never go back to Nashua for service or to buy a car.

[aluthman]

I used to live a few minutes from there in Newmarket, NH and I remember Stratham Audi being nicer looking than your picture shows. Or maybe I'm thinking of the Porsche dealership next door, who knows? Getting old sucks...

[betyouaint]

Haha... no. The picture was taken when the car was loaded onto the tow truck in North Andover, MA...

[aluthman]

Ok, that makes more sense. I thought that was the delivery picture.

[betyouaint]

Blown turbo... oil throughout the system. Audi quoted $7500 to replace turbo, exhaust system, PCV, ICs, etc... What the hell would you need to replace the ICs. Robbing bastards...!!!

[aluthman]

Buy a used k03, delete the PCV, and clean the oil out of the exhaust and intercoolers. <$500 easy if you do it yourself.

[LoKisSpYdR]

There's a number of memebers with k03s that I'm sure you can get for a few hundred. Install yourself or take it to an Indy.

[betyouaint]

Unfortunately, I don't have time on my side so the turbo needs to be fixed ASAP. If Audi do that I get to keep the loaner until the work is done at a cost of around $2100. The rest of the work is due to oil contamination of the O2 sensors, ICs, exhaust and CAT.

I had to laugh when they suggested $1200 for new ICs "because they have oil in them". I've never seen an IC without oil in it....!!! They said that any residual oil might contaminate the new O2 sensors and CAT. I told them that wouldn't be a problem as they won't be replacing the CAT and sensors. I at least want to see if they sensors burn off before replacing them...!!!

They even had the audacity to offer me 4 new tires for and extra grand on top of their original repair quote... $8500...!!! Hang on, I'll look down the back of the sofa.

Must admit, I'm tempted to sell "as is" and just walk away. This will be my last Audi. A blown turbo on a car that has covered 107,000 very gentle miles. My last car, also a 4 cylinder 2.0 turbo (non Audi) was tuned to push out over 285hp. I beasted the crap out of it for over 120,000 miles with never a single engine issue other than the odd coolant sensor or thermostat here and there.

[jimrobbington]

Blown turbo... oil throughout the system. Audi quoted $7500 to replace turbo, exhaust system, PCV, ICs, etc... What the hell would you need to replace the ICs. Robbing bastards...!!!

Yep, that's what I was thinking. I blew a turbo in my jettA with that much smoke. And I actually made it all the way from NM to Denver like that. My HTC was ruined. You may needed to replace your cat. Absolutely no reason to replace the entire exhaust. In fact, I wouldn't do anything about the exhaust. If you fail emissions when that comes around, the worry about it. Also, completely unnecessary to replace your intercoolers. You may want to pull them and drain any oil in there.

Tow it to a good indy shop, have them replace the turbo, install a catch can. Done. For 7500 bucks, you could just drop it off at a shop and build yourself a stage 3 car.

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[jimrobbington]

Unfortunately, I don't have time on my side so the turbo needs to be fixed ASAP. If Audi do that I get to keep the loaner until the work is done at a cost of around $2100. The rest of the work is due to oil contamination of the O2 sensors, ICs, exhaust and CAT.

I had to laugh when they suggested $1200 for new ICs "because they have oil in them". I've never seen an IC without oil in it....!!! They said that any residual oil might contaminate the new O2 sensors and CAT. I told them that wouldn't be a problem as they won't be replacing the CAT and sensors. I at least want to see if they sensors burn off before replacing them...!!!

They even had the audacity to offer me 4 new tires for and extra grand on top of their original repair quote... $8500...!!! Hang on, I'll look down the back of the sofa.

Must admit, I'm tempted to sell "as is" and just walk away. This will be my last Audi. A blown turbo on a car that has covered 107,000 very gentle miles. My last car, also a 4 cylinder 2.0 turbo (non Audi) was tuned to push out over 285hp. I beasted the crap out of it for over 120,000 miles with never a single engine issue other than the odd coolant sensor or thermostat here and there.

To be fair, this may not be the Audi's fault. You knew something was wrong and continued to drive it everywhere until it completely failed.

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[vce1232000]

Blown turbo... oil throughout the system. Audi quoted $7500 to replace turbo, exhaust system, PCV, ICs, etc... What the hell would you need to replace the ICs. Robbing bastards...!!!



blown turbo[confused]

Who' da man[hail]......

[wrench] out smic and cat. converter and submerge and soak in Tide laundry detergent. This will remove all oil residue. All sensors in exhaust will burn clean once you [wrench] replacement turbo[up]. tell audi dealer to[headbang].

[betyouaint]

To be fair, this may not be the Audi's fault. You knew something was wrong and continued to drive it everywhere until it completely failed.


Seriously...!!! You're gonna throw that into the mix...? A guy gets told he's about to drop $7500 on a car he still owes money on and that's your best comment..? You must have a degree in tact and diplomacy fella.

For a start, I didn't KNOW there was anything wrong. If you read the original post, I accused my self of paranoia after turning the radio down and hearing a slight whistle that I wasn't sure if I'd heard before. I was reassured by a bunch of people on here that it was unlikely to be anything serious. The next day I drove it to work with the intention of heading to Audi on the way home... not "everywhere" as you seem to suggest. The distance would have been less than 10 miles greater than if I'd driven directly to the dealer and the turbo would still likely have failed on the way given that I was still 33 miles from the dealer when it did fail.

And, if we are going "to be fair", I wasn't blaming Audi for this particular failure, although one wouldn't normally expect a turbo to fail at this mileage without at least a little abuse . My comment was actually referring to all the numerous other well documented issues they refuse to admit exist. Despite my repeated attempts to get Audi to address the oil consumption situation, they refuse to admit a problem exists. Going from practically zero consumption to 1QT every 1200 miles literally overnight is not normal. I spent 20 years as an aircraft engineer and hold an engineering degree so I'm not ignorant to this kind of thing.

It also refers to Audi's ability to add several other unnecessary repairs to an already overpriced repair bill. My previous experience involved them trying to change 2 sensors and a thermostat when only the thermostat was faulty. Their ability to invent unnecessary repairs is unrivalled. In my case, replacing the ICs because they are contaminated with oil is like scrapping the whole car because it's contaminated with dirt...!!!

[Inked]

Why don't you just scrap the oily smic's and go fmic?

[betyouaint]

Why don't you just scrap the oily smic's and go fmic?

Well... now that I've realized that babying the car reaps no reward I'm tempted to go the whole hog and tune to the max. The next time it blows up, at least there'll be a good reason for it...!!!

BTW... is there a good recommendation for aftermarket SS exhaust without breaking the bank? And assuming that the O2 sensors don't clean up, is there a reasonably priced option for replacement? Guess I may have to consider the CAT too if things don't clear up as I hope they will.

[vce1232000]

Well... now that I've realized that babying the car reaps no reward I'm tempted to go the whole hog and tune to the max. The next time it blows up, at least there'll be a good reason for it...!!!

BTW... is there a good recommendation for aftermarket SS exhaust without breaking the bank? And assuming that the O2 sensors don't clean up, is there a reasonably priced option for replacement? Guess I may have to consider the CAT too if things don't clear up as I hope they will.
I think there was a vendor on here selling Stasis exhausts for $850.00[up]

[betyouaint]

For anyone who's interested in the actual quote. Some of those labor times are laughable...!!! 2 hours for 4 tires...? Are they carving them from a block of rubber...? Last time they quoted around 10 hours for a job despite being finished in 4. They must have had 2.5 guys working on the car at the same time... yeah right.

http://www.legoheads.com/audiquote.png

[wildcat333]

OP, sorry to read about your shitty situation. Hopefully something works out for you. I say you go big like you were saying! [drive] [race]

[mec]

For anyone who's interested in the actual quote. Some of those labor times are laughable...!!! 2 hours for 4 tires...? Are they carving them from a block of rubber...? Last time they quoted around 10 hours for a job despite being finished in 4. They must have had 2.5 guys working on the car at the same time... yeah right.

http://www.legoheads.com/audiquote.png

wowza.... 2.5 hour alignment??? what are they aligning owen wilsons nose?

[wildcat333]

@ mec - stealership is stealership.

[vce1232000]

OP, sorry to read about your shitty situation. Hopefully something works out for you. I say you go big like you were saying! [drive] [race]

They say go big([drool]) or stay home([=(]) your choice[facepalm] [az]

[wildcat333]

They say go big([drool]) or stay home([=(]) your choice[facepalm] [az]

omg vce, you're killin me haha. I forgot my two emoticons would make you tweak out and post up four!

[vce1232000]

omg vce, you're killin me haha. I forgot my two emoticons would make you tweak out and post up four!
I fixed that for you[hail][facepalm].........lol

[mec]

I fixed that for you[hail][facepalm].........lol

looks the same to me...

[vce1232000]

looks the same to me...


OP, sorry to read about your shitty situation. Hopefully something works out for you. I say you go big like you were saying! [drive] [race] [wrench]


They say go big([drool]) or stay home([=(]) your choice[facepalm] [az]

Your Just A: MEC MEAN MAN MARTIN...........lol

[mec]

truth...I am a dick

[vce1232000]

truth...I am a dick

As long as you dont eatem[confused] or[drool] over it.....lol your okay in my book[hail]

[TPW]

I thought that forums were here to help others help each other not jerk around about emoticons. There's so much noise in this forum that it's hard to follow a thread without you wise guys making knucklehead comments that don't have anything to do with the initial post.

[betyouaint]

Ok... I've been pricing up at ECS and it looks like I can get all the parts (except the completely unnessary IC, mid muffler and down pipe) for around $2800.

Obviously, I'd change out the turbo first and see if the other items actually need changing. It looks like the ECS item comes as a complete package with manifold, DV, wastegate actuator, etc. all pre-installed. This practically makes it a plug and play item but Audi quote 5.5 hours...!!!

So, is it an easy swap out or is it more complex than it seems? Do Audi just replace the turbo unit itself and reuse all the old worn out shit off the original turbo?

And as for O2 sensors, is there any benefit going for OEM over the Bosch replacement?

[vce1232000]

Turbo is [wrench] as a unit with the exhaust manifold. ECS is the more expensive vendors on here[=(]. Check others like Europa or Genuine audi parts[up]. I see no issue using Bosch sensors since they are oe for audi

[betyouaint]

Turbo is [wrench] as a unit with the exhaust manifold. ECS is the more expensive vendors on here[=(]. Check others like Europa or Genuine audi parts[up]. I see no issue using Bosch sensors since they are oe for audi
Thanks... I just checked them out and they are cheaper on a lot of items including the turbo...!!!

However, I've now given the stealership the go ahead for changing the turbo assembly only so at least I can drive it home and address any additional issues that persist.

Can I assume that the high flow cat replacements are still good for emissions and don't need swapping out every year for inspection like a test pipe...? Is there a downside to fitting a high flow cat other than a slightly increased chance of a speeding ticket...?

[jimrobbington]

I thought that forums were here to help others help each other not jerk around about emoticons. There's so much noise in this forum that it's hard to follow a thread without you wise guys making knucklehead comments that don't have anything to do with the initial post.

Blame vce1232000. He started it. And refuses to quit. The moderators just need to remove emoticons from his account completely.

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[LoKisSpYdR]

Blame vce1232000. He started it. And refuses to quit. The moderators just need to remove emoticons from his account completely.

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Perhaps it's time for a good ol' fashion intervention.

[cdn_b7a4]

Do you have a independent audi specific shop that's somewhat local to you? You'd be better off taking it to them rather than have the dealer fix it.

From looking at your quote, it look like they just want to replace parts instead of just cleaning them out (ie. intercoolers).

[vce1232000]

Perhaps it's time for a good ol' fashion intervention.
QUOTE=jimrobbington;9386800]Blame vce1232000. He started it. And refuses to quit. The moderators just need to remove emoticons from his account completely.
..............lol......[=(][=(][=(][facepalm]..............[az]

[vce1232000]

Thanks... I just checked them out and they are cheaper on a lot of items including the turbo...!!!

However, I've now given the stealership the go ahead for changing the turbo assembly only so at least I can drive it home and address any additional issues that persist.

Can I assume that the high flow cat replacements are still good for emissions and don't need swapping out every year for inspection like a test pipe...? Is there a downside to fitting a high flow cat other than a slightly increased chance of a speeding ticket...?
I heard that 034 high flow cats are good. there is only a slight performance between the 2 when [drive]. The one noticeable difference is the sound. The test pipe is louder when your wot[drive][headbang]

[betyouaint]

Panic over. Just picked the car up after having only the turbo replaced, $2200 lighter in the wallet but apart from the smell of burning oil from the exhaust everything else seems okay and none of the cleared codes have returned. I ran low on coolant on the way home and I'm hoping it was just the system bleeding through and that it's not a leak. Luckily, I had some G12 lying around after replacing the thermostat last year.

[:)]

[wildcat333]

Awesome! B7 saved.

[betyouaint]

Returned to dealer on Saturday to get some more coolant and they insisted on checking it out. After pressurizing the system, they did find and fix a small leak on the other side of the engine. Seems like they had just failed to purge the air before sending me on my way. All good now and they even restocked me with G12 as I'd used up my last drop.

One of the reasons they were gonna replace half of the exhaust t was that there were small holes at the flex and in the mid muffler and evident by the oil dripping out. Ironically, hadn't these hole been there, the oil wouldn't have drained quite so effectively. Not much evidence of oil burning off while driving but every time I get it the car it reeks of burned oil. Hopefully that will fade over time.

Just good to have her back.

[betyouaint]

Just an update. Everything seems okay and with replacing the N80 and PCV valve today I'm hoping that all other current issues are solved for now. 500 miles further on and no O2 codes, which was my main worry due to oil contamination of sensors and cat.

Interestingly, the excessive oil consumption I've been experiencing for the last 40,000+ miles may well have come to and end. I should have used almost 1/2 quart based on recent consumption levels and yet the dipstick is still at max...!!! So, could the old turbo have been at fault for the excessive oil use? Audi did 2 rounds of oil consumption tests and declared the 1 QT per 1200 miles normal. I now have to wonder if this symptom could have predicted my turbo failure...?

[seco007]

Just an update. Everything seems okay and with replacing the N80 and PCV valve today I'm hoping that all other current issues are solved for now. 500 miles further on and no O2 codes, which was my main worry due to oil contamination of sensors and cat.

Interestingly, the excessive oil consumption I've been experiencing for the last 40,000+ miles may well have come to and end. I should have used almost 1/2 quart based on recent consumption levels and yet the dipstick is still at max...!!! So, could the old turbo have been at fault for the excessive oil use? Audi did 2 rounds of oil consumption tests and declared the 1 QT per 1200 miles normal. I now have to wonder if this symptom could have predicted my turbo failure...?

How much oil did u burn approximately? 1/2 quart between oil changes (I assume every 5000k)?

[betyouaint]

How much oil did u burn approximately? 1/2 quart between oil changes (I assume every 5000k)? No... 1 QT every 1200 miles...!!! And no, oil changes every 10k... 5k is overkill and the USA is the only place on the planet who seem to have such unnecessarily short oil change intervals of 5k or even 3k. There really is no need unless you are running extensive tuning or running in extreme environments.