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cinesnow
11-08-2013, 02:07 PM
Some of you may remember my thread, "Going Outlaw" and probably wondered why in the world anyone would cut their fenders off, so this thread is part two.

Some background, I bought this car in 2006 as a 01.5 tip with 78'ish k mi. and one owner in 100% perfect condition, the interior still smelled new. It was never my primary car and only really drove it in bad weather. It has always been garaged and is a pristine example of a california car. I left it bone stock until 2011 when i found myself putting everything I liked about some of my previous and current cars at that time onto paper for this one and so it began... There are two theme's i try to adhere to when building a car, make sure everything is balanced in the overall picture and get rid of plastic at all oppurtunities. At this point, the car is still a build in progress and due to some of the modifications I have made this car does not qualify for alot of sanctioned type racing so it has no specific purpose in life right now, a true outlaw.

Everything on this list is either assembled, rigged to the car, or on a delivery truck somewhere. I will continue to update this list as things change. As of now the only major additions to be made beyond what is listed are suspension, larger brakes front and rear, seats, a cage, harnesses, radios plus some minor bodywork/paint which I will finish in the new year. My intent for the future is to have a car capable of some road racing that will last more than a few stages. It will need to be able to run flat out for extreme periods of time in between stints and in traffic alike, be it at sea level or pikes peak.

Although I don't have much interest in straight line driving, i can appreciate the friendly freeway pull but it's not what im doing this for.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Engine:
APB Shortblock, "BF" version, 3
Turbo Type: RS6 K24 hybrids
Engine bore: 83mm
Rods: Integrated Engineering H beam
Pistons: JE 83mm
Wrist Pins: JE Tool steel
Heads: 2.8, cleaned and decked, valve job + align hone
Cams: 2.8, re-ground and cryogenically treated
Stock intake valves, springs, lifters, 2.7 exhaust valves
Headgasket: 83.5mm
Compression ratio: 10.5:1
Intake Manifold: Early s4 with naudlee's 2" plenum extension
Throttle Body: RS4, Bosch 07D 133 062
Diverter Valves: Turbosmart "plumb-back-32mm TS-0205-1262
Tune: Eurodyne by Dave Marsh @ AuT, 91 / E-85, emissions delete
MAF: Hitachi, TBD
Spark Plugs:Bosch FR5DTC, 7403
Injectors: FiveO m series X17, 96#
Fuel Pump: Bosch 044 in tank +IE two pump surge tank
Fuel Pressure Regulator: Bluewater Performance
Air Intake/Filter: 034 Carbino AEM filter
Clutch: Tilton Ceramatallic twn disk
Flywheel: 034 Billet lwfw
Intercoolers: Wagner S4
Exhaust: 2.5" pre-bent pipe kit from Jegs and a resinator.
Downpipes: 2.5" Same as exhaust with JHM RS6-K04 adapter flanges
Wideband: AEM with Failsafe, boost + afr
Methanol injection: AEM with Failsafe, Custom stainless steel 8.something gallon tank supplies a valved peterson 400 series fuel filter with a 45 micron screen going into a 3/8" threaded pump hat using -4 insulated stainless braided braided line. Up front, the line continues through the flow sensor and divides in two directons. The first steps down to -3 and a solenoid which opens at seven pounds of boost pressure which supplies two axially mounted injection brackets in front of the turbos using one 150cc/.4mm jet for each turbo. The second continues to the modified aem injectors mounted on top of the bi-pipes which use 550 and 315cc jets. The fittings are all stainless steel using JIC except for the pre compression lines and flow sensor which are plastic.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Miscellaneous:
Turbosmart wastegate actuators TS-0681-5142
Tubosmart e-boost street TS-0302-1002 (N75 standalone)
Hoverton Engeneering axially mounted pre turbine injector brackets
2 Eurodyne Boost manager plus pump/solenoid controllers
Custom made three and four way valves for alcohol injection
ARP un equal length studs + align hone
Polished crank
Metal Thermostat housing
Phenolic intake manifold spacers
034 bi-pipes
034 catch can
034 SAI blockoff plates
034 coated main bearings and rod bearings
Oil cooler, a Setrab series 9 - 934 which is thermostatically controlled at 180 degrees on -10 braided lines
EFK, 2200 cfm
2.0t coil pack conversion
Gates timing belt
Two Optima Redtop 6v batteries w/ 800 cca's each
Custom steel battery brackets for said redtops
Battery master cutoff

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Fueling:
-8 stailess braided line runs from a modified tank feed consisting of an 034 drop-in 044 basket and pump which runs through a -8 45* bulkhead fitting. This supplies a Peterson, 400 series 45 micron valved billet fuel filter in the oe's location. Which continues on to supply an IE dual 044 surge tank upstream. From the surge tank located in the oe battery area, the supply continues through the fake firewall to supply the IE rails and back again. The fuel pressure regulator doubles as a return rail side consolidation block which returns to the surge tank. The surge tank return is a -6 taking the factory route back to the blue fuel inlet lid in the rear of the car. All of the lines are made from industrial grade stainless braided material with their black anti-static liners and high temp heat sleeve starting before the p/s turbo area going up to the firewall. All of the fittings are the stainless steel swivel type except for one bulkhead fitting located in the blue fuel supply lid which is anondised aluminum.

The check valves that came with the 044 pumps had too small of an inner diameter for my taste so when i reviewed my options, i made sure to double them. My intent was to have everything function in the most efficient manor and eliminate as many points of restriction as possible. Sadly, another point of restriction was the IE fuel supply rail which was designed for said check valves and -6.
I only have one critique about the surge tank, both -6 and -8 would be great options for the top three ports as well as JIC in lou of the seal type used. Although I doubt many people would go this far I personally believe in using JIC in critical tasks and areas. Lastly, there was the option of using the rebuildable type fittings for the lines. Although much easier to install, to go all this way and not crimp them seems insane, even if it means rigging lines multiple times and pulling them back out to cut, re-rig, re-measure and drive all the parts back to the guy with the press and dyes again.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Gearbox:
Advanced Automotion 01E
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * current vs. stock
1st 3.75 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *3.50
2nd 2.06 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *1.89
3rd 1.42 * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * *1.23
4th 1.07 * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * 1.03
5th .87 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *.81
6th .56 * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * *.68
Final drive 4.11
4:1 High bias Torsen
JHM trio shift linkage package using the middle weight reverse selector spring
JHM 2" shift rod extension
JHM Counterweighted shift knob
Solid centering spring
Sachs metal slave cylinder and stainless braided line
Advanced Automotion, steel one piece driveshaft

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Mounts:
034 Billet subframe mounts front & rear with rears flipped upside down
034 Track Density (motor & trans)
034 snub
JHM Cross member
Stern diff ring
034 diff carrier bushings

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Suspension:
034 front, upper and lower control arms, spherical.
034 front sway bar links
H&R front sway bar
034 rear, adjustable upper control arms and lower c/a bearings
034 rear adjustable sway links, spherical.
Neuspeed rear bar with bushings and brackets
Stasis Street Sport Coilovers
Wheels, custom forged TE-37 reps 18x10.5 et 35 5x112 with ball seat
Tires: Toyo R888 - 285/30/18
10mm spacers
76mm wheel studs

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Brakes:
Stock calipers with Carbotech xp-16 pads around crossdrilled and slotted rotors
CNC cutting brake 422AR
Jamar line lock (to replace e-brake)
Wilwood proportioning valve
Wilwood residual valves

Every time i come and leave my house there is a familiar dip that forces one to drive on three wheels for a moment, very quickly I started trailing my ebrake to stop the open diffs from free reving in many cars. The idea was to keep steering with the throttle through sutch events, maintaining torque through the remaining three wheels unchanged. This is a situation I neagate multiple times in a drive, in many cars. The only downside that I saw was unwillingly trailing both rear calipers. Having grown up with an era of cars that never had abs, esp, target ratios, dirty tone rings or anything else to compromise the driving characteristics of the car, I set out to "correct" some things...

I could imagine at the time of development the good people at audi in their respective departments may have had to make some compromises with each other. A great case is the esp and abs, depending on one's driving style they may not adapt very well to real world circumstances. Especially when considering variable weather conditions and type of ground the car could be driving upon. Then consider the changes to major undercar components that many people perform, the dynamics are going to change. Now, for 95% of drivers out there these limits may not be exploited very often.

The problem is the other 5% may outdrive the stock car, pissing all sorts of things off on the dash. In reality, I drive 90% mountain roads and love "keeping busy" in the car. Afterall, a drive should be rewarding and engadging, not a task. Here is a great example, at Willow Springs on the big track coming into turn three in both the lotus and the audi I have consistently got a foot full of abs at the worst possible time, if i trail brake in. The car is pulling alot of g force and the abs freaks out. Both the consiquence from this effect and the immediate solution, to brake later have sketched me out bad enough to address it. Furthermore, if I was a corner worker, I wouldn't want to get nailed because sutch a scenario.

With that out of the way it should be obvious the abs unit was replaced with a proportioning valve. It consists of two master cylinder inlets, two front brake out ports and one rear out. The rear line was run inside and above the transmission tunnel to a line lock which would replace the e-brake. The line lock runs to a turning brake consisting of two cylinders which actuate their respective calipers.

Push = right, Pull = left. The brake lines follow the route of the old ebrake cables to their calipers.
Also worth noting the brake line used is stainless braided -3 with a smoked sleeve which is DOT certified.

A little background:
Turning brakes, also kown as cutting brakes, fiddle brakes and brake steer to name a few are commonly used by off road and rally drivers, Mclaren used them in their formula one cars for a time and the MP4-12c uses an electronic version. one could say ESP and EDL also mimmic this to an extent although for different reasons.

Benefits of turning brakes:
Prevent free spinning wheels in varying conditions while running open diffs
Manual Torque Vectoring + toresn = more control = more fun.
Late apexes
Early apexes
Staging brake
A place to rest your hand, "rat fink" style.
The next time i get a hand full of understeer, i can tap the inside brake and avoid putting this sucker off a cliff, into a wall or worse - someone else...

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Bodywork:
fender flares front and rear
late euro deck lid sitting at paint shop waiting for the car.
depo e codes

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Deleted:
Intercoolers (until summer)
ABS system, fuse 42&43
ESP
N80,
secondary o2's
EGT's
SAI
5hp-19 tiptronic gearbox & control unit

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Performance

Boost spike:
Boost at redline:
Fats time:
1/4 Mile E/T:
1/4 Mile MPH:
1/4 Details:


-If dynoed-

AWHP:
TQ:,
Gas used: 91, TBD
Which Dyno:
Ambient temp:
Gear:


-Daily Driving Considerations-

Fuel Economy (City / HW):
High altitude (yes : 5,200 - 7,500ft.)
Reliability issues or comments:

cinesnow
11-08-2013, 02:08 PM
Before i cut the fenders off:

http://imageshack.us/a/img11/9304/fizk.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img209/485/ja9g.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img51/108/ej2h.jpg

Reason for boring out the original block:

http://imageshack.us/a/img35/7977/sew.JPG

Reason for removing the temp motor about a month after replacing the original one with it:

http://imageshack.us/a/img198/7637/6d40.JPG

More temp motor fail:

http://imageshack.us/a/img32/6964/dyh6.JPG

As it currently sits less engine:

http://imageshack.us/a/img23/7838/52iu.png

http://imageshack.us/a/img13/4672/dzfc.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img716/3759/lyoz.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img5/5987/vq1w.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img600/3658/n0eh.jpg
Super clean heads from Raz @ AU Tuning
http://imageshack.us/a/img534/795/13g1.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img42/4641/gu6b.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img40/5835/6i1.JPG

http://imageshack.us/a/img842/5950/9d78.jpg

Mocal Oil Thermostat location:

http://imageshack.us/a/img38/7159/5ea.JPG

http://imageshack.us/a/img28/7971/bq98.jpg

Mocking up oil cooler brackets:

http://imageshack.us/a/img203/4231/p3hb.jpg

Out with the 550's in with the 1000's

http://imageshack.us/a/img36/107/wms.JPG

http://imageshack.us/a/img14/1923/s593.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img189/9535/um9i.jpg

Line Lock:

http://imageshack.us/a/img42/3500/d5g1.jpg

Turning Brake:

http://imageshack.us/a/img703/339/mtvi.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img22/2/vsrs.jpg

martin0079
11-08-2013, 02:31 PM
Why are you making 1-5 gear shorter than stock?

svirk2
11-08-2013, 02:45 PM
Wow

cinesnow
11-08-2013, 02:48 PM
After pretty much assigning the car to local driving (mountains) I wanted to try something slightly over-geard in contrast so I bought an allroad gearbox in peices and sent it to Scott. when the car is back on the road i will be testing the 285/35/18's currently on the car then stepping up to 295/35's and eventually 305 35's to see how the difference in roll-out changes throttle response at lower boost levels.

Austonwerner4
11-08-2013, 02:48 PM
2 things
Why are you flipping the subframe bushings in the rear

And I was going to use a line lock but after doing further reading, when it's on it's always using power, and it will ruin your caliper seals very fast. Do you have any info about it? If this is true or not.

Dr.d
11-08-2013, 02:52 PM
Awesome[up]

Austonwerner4
11-08-2013, 03:01 PM
Also why 2 6v batteries instead of one.

cinesnow
11-08-2013, 03:03 PM
On 034's website they mentioned being able to mount them upside down for less clearance between the subframe and unibody which is exactly what i needed to get the rear end level with the front as my rear shock perches were screwed all the way to the bottom and i still needed about .25" without them.

I diddn't know that about line locks but it wouldn't surprise me. Guess we'll find out =)

cinesnow
11-08-2013, 03:06 PM
Space in the spare tire area was the big reason, I had mounted my methanol pump in the biggest area and was too lazy to drill more holes and realocate it, plus 1600cca's - im stoaked

Austonwerner4
11-08-2013, 03:37 PM
You made me what to do the same battery setup. Do you know the weight on each?

cinesnow
11-08-2013, 03:51 PM
18'ish pounds, if you do check out the metal battery boxes Kartek has, i bought two of the upright ones.

I need to buy mounting hardware tomorrow but here's some pics:


http://imageshack.us/a/img5/3272/nh43.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img51/2634/w814.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img856/3797/gnhn.jpg

Edit; first thank you for your comments, I am curious what route people have taken for their power from the front tray to the rear.

Thanks in advance.

getslideways
11-08-2013, 09:50 PM
I am looking forward to following this built!

How did you go about attaching the factory upper radiator hose to your aftermarket radiator? Did you just cut the flange off the original radiator then connect that to the new radiator's flange via a small section of hose?

cinesnow
11-09-2013, 09:54 AM
That is exactly what i did, the coupler offset the radiator hoses by about .50"
I have more pics and updates but my computer slit it's wrists this morning plus me being iphone illiterate, have to figure that whole thing out now...

Austonwerner4
11-09-2013, 07:40 PM
I really like this build.

cinesnow
11-09-2013, 08:26 PM
Thanks, me too haha.
btw thanks for posting the tap you used for running your -8 fittings in regards to the pcv system, so much good info on here...

I forgot to mention that i dropped off my engine with John at Costa Mesa R&D for the machinework and break in on the sim tester, should be running it in on monday and bringing it home later in the week. This is the same guy who did the machinework for 1sicks4's engine earlier this year.

Alittle video of John getting the lower pan ready last week:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0iOaFL5aTM

Another shot of the fenders before the changes:
http://imageshack.com/a/img9/5646/v563.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img703/8199/s9ft.jpg
Radiator Coupling fitting
http://imageshack.com/a/img593/2049/m4wq.jpg

Since putting the oil cooler up front, i deleted the pusher fan and tapped/wired up a thermostatic switch to mirror the after run pump. Big bonus was the integrated potentiometer for fan temp control.
http://imageshack.com/a/img716/4314/h4tu.jpg

The bend radius on the lines used for this round are so much better than ones ive used in the past -8 for reference:
http://imageshack.com/a/img29/8099/zqio.jpg

cinesnow
11-09-2013, 09:15 PM
Quick shout out to Sam, Ken, Jeremy and Ed at 034 for all of your help thus far.
http://imageshack.com/a/img13/6825/g6zu.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img513/7065/1fpd.jpg

Also want to let everyone know that Dave and Raz at au tuning have been a huge ally in a great many aspects and without the innovations, determination and knowlege from vendors and shops like this there wouldn't be any car porn on this page...
http://imageshack.com/a/img198/3628/28h4.jpg

Tec_Nine
11-10-2013, 10:51 AM
great progress, looking good

cinesnow
11-11-2013, 10:01 PM
More goodies today:
Prop valve finished,
http://imageshack.com/a/img202/9210/bmdx.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img12/3725/2mmc.jpg
Picked these up from the guys at AU Tuning Today
http://imageshack.com/a/img23/3007/7mrt.jpg

I guess i never took a pic of the intake cams but here's one of the exhaust cams after cryo treatment.
http://imageshack.com/a/img689/5065/drq1.jpg

cinesnow
11-11-2013, 10:55 PM
http://imageshack.com/a/img208/9995/rkaf.jpg
My old F4H's in contrast to the new K24's
http://imageshack.com/a/img199/3043/w8by.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img11/4179/4ina.jpg

Austonwerner4
11-19-2013, 11:03 AM
Any updates?

cinesnow
11-19-2013, 04:19 PM
Ask and you shall receieve!
I had to get a car to take the s4's engine home so i found an a6 with a failed idler pulley and some bent valves. Now that it runs Ill switch back to the fun car and get some more done.

http://imageshack.com/a/img196/1706/vxp2.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img14/4650/6me4.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img546/7386/5vta.jpg

MikeyB3
11-20-2013, 08:50 AM
Can we go for a drive when this monster is finished?

cinesnow
11-20-2013, 11:08 AM
Heck yea, lets make a day of it. would be cool to take a couple b5's out to latigo, las flores or something of the sort...

cinesnow
11-26-2013, 12:37 PM
Mounted the batteries still need to run the positive cable
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150x100q90/c/837/81rg.jpg (http://imageshack.com/i/n981rgj)

with the fire sleeve i wasn't sure if i could get the metal chassis clips to close but they are a perfect fit with no slack/sag anywhere.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150x100q90/c/196/hl7x.jpg

-6 & -8 from the tank are in place and made a bracket for the fpr
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150x100q90/c/844/zk9a.jpg

Waiting on a couple more parts before putting the engine in
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150x100q90/c/713/xb2l.jpg

not sure why the pics are so small, imageshack fail

catbed
11-26-2013, 03:00 PM
10.5 CR on 91 octane? How big is your meth tank? lol

I will be following this build, lookin good!

cinesnow
11-30-2013, 03:35 AM
Thanks for the interest, funny the meth tank was my next update.

made brackets for the new tank and installed them as well as the filter
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/Mobile%20Uploads/image.jpg (http://s301.photobucket.com/user/Cinesnow_/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image.jpg.html)

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/Mobile%20Uploads/image-2.jpg (http://s301.photobucket.com/user/Cinesnow_/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image-2.jpg.html)

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/Mobile%20Uploads/image-1.jpg (http://s301.photobucket.com/user/Cinesnow_/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image-1.jpg.html)

I diddnt take a pic with the trunk carpet in but it fits in between the tank and brackets perfectly, hope you guys enjoy.

Austonwerner4
01-08-2014, 01:16 PM
Any updates?

james 408
01-08-2014, 02:03 PM
i'm a firm believer that our electronic braking systems are a total nightmare. This is largely to do with them trying to use the breaks to sort out the shortfalls of our open differentials -- our differentials are not only outdated but half-assed at best. torque vectoring is the wave of the future.

but instead of seeking a limited slip differential, you opted to frankenstein your braking system; effectively creating torque vectoring (allbeit manual torque vectoring) but only in the decel direction. commendable, as all that electronic braking crap is terrible (i won't even commute with traction control on). But why, might i ask, didn't you just get a limited slip differential?

I got an LSD in the rear, wavetrak, it works wonderfully. the car no longer freaks out and throws all the power to the frount when you take tight corners with your inside rear in the air. Would also resolve your 'dip' situation where your getting wheelspin on one or both axels.

cinesnow
01-08-2014, 06:45 PM
Hey guys,

After a great deal of consideration i have decided to change a few things:

Im going to redo the turning brake with its own master cylinder and calipers when i upgrade the brakes. Plus im sure the tech inspectors would like to see a serperate circut for the e brake vs the normal calipers.

I stole my jhm clutch for my other car and need to decide between 034's iron or ceramic twin disk setup pretty quick.
Also donated my intake manifold to the allroad so probably looking at the loba rs4 as its still quicker and cheaper than having a custom one built.

Pre Turbine Injection,
My main goal in this excercise is to manage air density, specifically at high altitudes.
I came to the conclusion that doing this with the f21's would be the best way to maximise spool while gaining high rpm boost that is not possible in their normal state of operation. Since making that decision I have since switched to srm's and am sure the effects will not be as beneficial unless im running them outside of their efficiency range. When everything is back together i plan on logging the difference between pre throttlebody only vs pre turbine + pre throttlebody injection.

A while back i was at the bar and asked to see their msds, started compairing fluids and decided to change a few things. Based on what I had read, I decided to switch from methanol to isopropanol in favor of a few benefits.
First, if im correct the energy produced and heat absorbtion will increase as well as the boiling point being raised. More important, the vapor density of ipa vs methanol is around double.*Pre-turo, this should be a huge benefit to help keep them in a more isothermic state. Second, certain sanctioning bodies have ok'd methanol but apparently only in certain regions and their opinion seems to sway in regards to it's use. I just want to pass tech and drive.
The last reason is so i can joke about how some of your cars are all cracked out on meth and should try an ipa sometime...

Im still waiting on some -8 90* an fittings and progressive controllers to come in before i can finish my fueling setup

still need to upgrade from the 85 to 95 mm maf too

James, thanks for the comment, im glad someone digs the idea. I plan on putting in lsd but wanted to play with the open diffs / brake before i did just to have experienced the combination. It would be really cool to have the spool effect like the r8 does but am quite sure the diff is too big...

If any of you are interested in pre turbo injection look up jeff at howerton engineering or rice racing, both were very helpful in my research.
Here are some pics of the axial injection brackets. I entertained the idea of using the clear plastic lines that aquamist supplied for inside of the turbo inlets but think i'm going to visit the hose shop tomorrow for something that cant melt and peice of mind given their location.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/cinesnow/D6E7DF15-B805-4A49-99CE-FAA893B127CF.jpg (http://s13.photobucket.com/user/cinesnow/media/D6E7DF15-B805-4A49-99CE-FAA893B127CF.jpg.html)

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/cinesnow/AA83C6E1-DDAD-4B69-9FA2-013C699F98A3.jpg (http://s13.photobucket.com/user/cinesnow/media/AA83C6E1-DDAD-4B69-9FA2-013C699F98A3.jpg.html)

DeltaAlpha9
01-08-2014, 07:06 PM
Holy meth tank!

Scotty@Advanced
01-08-2014, 07:31 PM
http://imageshack.com/a/img546/7386/5vta.jpg

Please tell me that's a twin engine Avant!?!?!

Scotty@Advanced
01-08-2014, 07:34 PM
A while back i was at the bar and asked to see their msds, started compairing fluids and decided to change a few things. Based on what I had read, I decided to switch from methanol to isopropanol in favor of a few benefits.
First, if im correct the energy produced and heat absorbtion will increase as well as the boiling point being raised.
If any of you are interested in pre turbo injection look up jeff at howerton engineering or rice racing, both were very helpful in my research.
Here are some pics of the axial injection brackets. I entertained the idea of using the clear plastic lines that aquamist supplied for inside of the turbo inlets but think i'm going to visit the hose shop tomorrow for something that cant melt and peice of mind given their location.


Some of the higher order alcohols have some very desirable properties, butyl alcohol for one, but as the alcohol gains carbon atoms, the price goes up and availability goes down.

cinesnow
01-08-2014, 07:38 PM
Please tell me that's a twin engine Avant!?!?!

Ah yes, the 5.7L v12 avant - very rare beast...

cinesnow
01-08-2014, 07:54 PM
Some of the higher order alcohols have some very desirable properties, butyl alcohol for one, but as the alcohol gains carbon atoms, the price goes up and availability goes down.

Very true, I found a local chemical place (galade chemical) they had three grades of ipa and would water it down to any percentage desired for the fine price of $20/gallon. After snapping a rod due to a check vale seal swelling and filling an intercooler I decided to redo everything so it cant happen again. (fingers crossed)

Btw, i havent forgot about the deisel...

Meow
01-08-2014, 09:04 PM
edit* nevermind didnt read all your post. I will be doing a similar k24 build soon too, love your car so far, keep us updated!

jibberjive
01-10-2014, 02:54 AM
Cool project. Sub'd.

Scotty@Advanced
01-10-2014, 04:35 AM
Btw, i havent forgot about the deisel...

I still gots.

cinesnow
01-10-2014, 09:51 AM
Thanks for the comments guys,

Meow, glad to see another brilliant black car representing. Ill be curious to see how the k24's compare to the ones your'e running now.

Jibber, a few years back your build convinced me to start mine, thanks for all the info you have shared. When are you going to finish your fueling?

Scott, im working doubletime for that sucker! hopefully we can get everything sorted here in the next month or so.

Meow
01-10-2014, 12:45 PM
Meow, glad to see another brilliant black car representing. Ill be curious to see how the k24's compare to the ones your'e running now.

currently i run low 3 fats (2.94 to 3.2) and have made one 11.9 pass. my motor is coming out for rods soon so I am going to srm k24 as they will swap in without changing any exhaust or fittings or anything. My fuel system will be similar as well. Will be interesting to see how srm k24 on e85 will compare to oem rs6 on pump +meth.

cinesnow
01-28-2014, 05:46 PM
Quick update:

I'm still figuring out the final bits for the fueling, currently waiting on parts delayed due to the weather back east. When everything is finalised ill make some diagrams with all of the parts and their numbers in case anyone wants to do something similar.

Got two flats in the green car yesterday, decided to see if the black car's wheels would fit. They do, it handles so much better i can't imagine going back to stock. So if any of you ever wondered how wide a tire one could get under their allroad, 285's with 15mm spacers fit perfectly with no rub on level 1 at stock ride height.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/cinesnow/34F4A25A-043C-41CF-9EAB-D22A966DBC43.jpg[/URL]

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/cinesnow/0A4BB12D-C580-43DD-9718-CFF86A2262AE.jpg[/URL]

cinesnow
02-21-2014, 07:24 PM
Today I finished the fuel system from the tank forward, still waiting on a few bulkhead fittings but this is the final setup:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/cinesnow/9E298A4D-4D02-4362-B6BD-D645E1440FA3.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/cinesnow/0AD84DF5-C862-42DC-A3AF-39803C29D4B2.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/cinesnow/1DC76A2F-B2AB-40D3-84A4-11FADAE4C7C3.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/cinesnow/9F1D8B8D-5AE2-4FEA-852D-6DF122618BE0.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/cinesnow/D3B97B68-823B-4947-93F1-096F260B7D1C.jpg

Next up are some revisions to the alcohol injection system, i found some three way solenoids that will allow the lines to discharge when letting off the throttle. The reason for foing this is so that the check valves dont have to bleed down the system leaving water droplets in front of the turbos when pressure tapers down after the solenoids close. The vent line is probably going to go to a catch tank so i dont have to vent flammable fluids to the atmosphere.

getslideways
02-21-2014, 08:50 PM
I love seeing picture updates in this thread [up]

Keep us posted and keep up the good progress!!!

Monty23
02-22-2014, 05:03 AM
I love the work your doing here. Looks very thought out and well executed.

cinesnow
02-23-2014, 06:05 PM
Thanks for the encouraging words guys, i may be a slight bit paranoid but am kind of worried about the thing to burning to the ground...

Finished the electrical today less heat shrink for the lugs due to my badly dis-organised garage.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/cinesnow/0DAE345A-2287-4C22-98E1-78A26B76A572.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/cinesnow/CD684087-49EF-49CF-83D1-55E088194ED8.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/cinesnow/4CE720E9-6112-435B-8A11-E7922F10FE5A.jpg

cinesnow
06-26-2014, 07:30 PM
Ive been pretty bad at updating this but here are a couple of pics of two things i made this recently:

New oil supply lines for the turbos in-6
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/cinesnow/3BA3E6E3-619A-44BF-AB96-07A88DBA0181.jpg

I decided a while back to get rid of every plasitc and rubber line in the car so this is my version of the brake booster to manifold in baraided an line, sorry the pic is kind of messy.
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/cinesnow/F9A66944-AD52-4022-B8F2-794F974A23C0.jpg

more to come soon...

RedB5S4
06-27-2014, 06:23 AM
Good looks, man!

hibiscusS4
06-27-2014, 06:44 AM
this looks amazing!

8520
07-23-2014, 09:51 PM
Man. I like what you're doing here.

cinesnow
08-21-2014, 01:08 AM
Thanks guys, been slow progress recently. I have revised quite a few things and just bought a bunch more stuff to get this car driving again soon. I'll upload more pics in a few days.

Turbo update:
New special k24's to replace the srm's I bought recently,
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/cinesnow/A0FCF80F-119A-4D11-975D-49270C49B3EB.jpg

-2 an line to pre turbo injectors was a perfect fit in the sai ports with a little massaging:
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/cinesnow/E0D7A88A-7B3D-4B04-A698-1787309FA61A.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/cinesnow/CF8EA208-26CF-474F-A527-B32F9A15CCF0.jpg

erykv1
08-21-2014, 05:08 AM
why did you replace the srm k24? did you have problems with them?

also in the pics, the compressor housing is stamped SRM? everything looks good!

cinesnow
08-21-2014, 07:48 AM
No problems, I've been hi-jacking things off of my car for all the 2.7/2.8's ive been working on and decided to treat myself with a cool replacement. Sean made a set of k24's that look to flow more air, we'll find out soon =)

cinesnow
08-21-2014, 08:16 AM
also replaced my lifters with new ones since they have been so accessable for the past 16 or so months:
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/cinesnow/519B5F45-4043-469C-B259-1FC59D44C8E0.jpg

erykv1
08-21-2014, 08:22 AM
Just curious, what viscosity oil did you run with the SRM RS6's? 20w50?

cinesnow
08-21-2014, 08:52 AM
Due to all the braided lines ive been developing, my car and engine have been a template for quite a while. Unfortunately I never had the chance to put the engine in and try them. As for the oil, i use standard issue 5w30 that cost $2 a quart and change every 3k mi.

cinesnow
08-21-2014, 08:57 AM
I drove to turbosmart last week and bought these and a few other goodies on my visit.
Also worth noting, i used my own banjos which i had to bore out on one side so the turbosmart banjo bolt would go through.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/cinesnow/8DA4920F-7765-49A3-BCC0-F6BAE95CB068.jpg

cinesnow
09-03-2014, 12:02 AM
Made new wastegate lines last week and switched from n75 to mac solenoid:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/cinesnow/185BE893-8592-47D8-9D37-178876CE1D7B.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/cinesnow/48AEC670-FE24-4E4D-9720-B45CE0CE65B9.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/cinesnow/410A8FD1-D2A0-4ACC-9DA2-FBAB88645A29.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/cinesnow/FFA1E402-1673-48D8-9636-B06DB4B0F67C.jpg

cinesnow
09-03-2014, 12:11 AM
Also changed my mind and put on the bigger, adjustable diverter valves:
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/cinesnow/87B080FB-7DEF-4B7A-A108-2BA748986349.jpg

Jmills
09-03-2014, 04:56 AM
Good Stuff! Everything looks awesome so far, can't wait to see this thing running.

Polo//S4
09-03-2014, 05:38 AM
Just skimmed through this thread, looks awesome!!! Just one question, wouldn't this car still qualify for hill climbs and time attack events?

landfill
09-03-2014, 05:55 AM
I like this no nonsense build.
What fuel you plan on running
since your 10.5:1. My bad if I didn't
read it.

cinesnow
09-03-2014, 10:20 AM
Thanks for the encouragement guys, I can't even imagine what it's going to be like to drive again as i'm starting to forget since it's been so long.

Iv'e kept the scca/pikes peak time attack 2 rulebook in mind as those are exactly where i want to start running this car =)

Going to break everything in on the dyno with 91 and isopropanol mixed 70% iso 30% de-ionised water and keep it as an emergency file.
I intend to run e85 after i'm through the break-in phase.

hibiscusS4
09-03-2014, 10:24 AM
build looks amazing great job

cinesnow
09-03-2014, 10:18 PM
New standalone N75/ boost gauge to replace my useless cupholder:
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/cinesnow/ED8D8183-E477-402F-90B1-B016066F14AC.jpg

Eurodyne Boost manager controllers for the fuel/alcohol pumps and solenoids:
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/cinesnow/B438A458-A420-47AB-9C28-81621565B7A0.jpg

Sole_
09-04-2014, 04:58 AM
Holy fucking shit! Good job I love the time, detail and dedication of this build!

cinesnow
09-15-2014, 03:58 PM
Been steadly putting things together, finished the coil conversion this weekend then a package showed up with the new clutch and trans mounts.
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/cinesnow/D749782D-67FC-4E8F-82FA-B75F110122F1.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/cinesnow/CF4405FA-ED40-459C-AD63-620898190A0D.jpg

cinesnow
09-19-2014, 04:15 PM
Small update: I decided to make keychains for some of the cars with all the cool -3 stuff ive been using recently, The red ones have bottle openers on the ends since they are the track cars =)

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/cinesnow/B952FD3E-2D1B-45C7-B3DA-B1601F551CFE.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/cinesnow/3C905612-0D3C-4884-A190-5F35AF2F2B0E.jpg

JKnight41
09-19-2014, 04:30 PM
God, you make me want to drop out of college.

cinesnow
09-19-2014, 04:30 PM
^ I did haha

Took that money, got my wholesale liscense and started buying selling cars instead

RickyCastro
09-19-2014, 05:32 PM
I'm stealing your idea. No rubber or plastic lines going back in on this thing.

cinesnow
09-19-2014, 07:38 PM
Sick, let me know if you want pics/measurements of anything ive made or need help sourcing special fittings.

RickyCastro
09-20-2014, 08:56 PM
So many questions. Are you on facebook or anything? Anything with a means of instant messaging really lol

cinesnow
09-21-2014, 08:01 AM
This is the only social media thing i have, i'll shoot you a pm with my info though.

crazyazz
09-21-2014, 11:23 AM
Awesome build man, im just amazed by it all

diabolical1
09-21-2014, 12:07 PM
If any of you are interested in pre turbo injection look up ... rice racing ....

As in Peter in Australia?

cinesnow
09-21-2014, 04:58 PM
Crazyazz, thanks for the kind words. Wish i lived where you do, targa tazmania is something ive always wanted to participate in.

Diabolical1, yup peter with the red rx7. I really like his approach to atomising fluids and hope to try out his way for pre turbo at some point.

Mark00s4
09-22-2014, 07:36 AM
Very nice build! Definitely following this build. I like your attention to every detail,especially the plumbing work with the wastegate lines. I plan on doing the same thing, but keep the n75. What is your parts list to make the lines?

cinesnow
09-22-2014, 11:02 AM
Thanks, it's been fun. I just finished developing a kit for the guys at au tuning for anyone who wants a done set, they will be available soon. As for the diy route, I'll just explain where i started, what i ended up with and why. The wastegate lines took some time and a few versions to really meet my expectations. I originally intended to use the stock hard lines, cut/flare with an nuts and add an line with ptfe liner evereywhere except the acuator ports.

The ports needed to adapt from some type of silicone to -3 for both the turbo pressure ports and actuators. My first snag was the factory lines being metric, the flares were decent but the nuts diddnt sit right so i decided to just run my own lines. At this point i thought about capping one of the turbo supply ports and using -4 from one for the n75, problem 1. No one makes a -4 x 8mm banjo that can be crimped, I looked into having them milled but the cost was't worth the trouble so I reverted to both on -3. The driver side turbo needs an extended 8mm x -3 banjo for the supply, Additionally it needed a 35-40* bend in order to clear the gearbox flange.

The passenger side I chose to route under the inlet counter lockwise from 8 to 2'o clock and up like the tial one. After talking with a few tial owners I concluded that the inner liners were getting too hot. Quality ptfe liners are rated to 450* so something more than a smoked sleeve was needed over the braid in my eyes and i went with firesleeve in -6 and -4.

The Barbed wastegate actuators proved to be their own can of worms. I had to move up from -3 to - 4 so the inner diameter of the barbs matched the silicone line and the an line. The -4 line i chose is able to accept fittings made in -3&4 since both fittings have the same id. I ended up finding a type of silicone lined heater hose that has the same construction the factory used. The silicone is cripmed just like the rest of the fittings but the size for the collars used were -6 if i remember. The passenger turbo line needed a fitting which neede a 40*'ish bend. We had to have a bending tool custom machined to bend the fittings.

From top, both the -3 and -4 lines use -3 an fittings and go into a pair of Y's with an male ports, two -3 and one -4 (to and from solenoid)
Rubber lined stainless braided hose in -5 with 1/4" (if i remember correctly) inner diameter for the n75 was used from here with a -4 fitting crimped on one side.


Since most of the auto industry is run like a surf shop and the typical "hose man" type places just don't care enough to help, I felt a need to find a good place that could support my projects. A friend of mine runs one of the biggest hose fitting and supply buisnesses in the country. Their primary market is the aerospace, defense and industrial sector. They are an iso certified buisness and they take it quite seriously.

It was those reasons I decided they would be a great asset to this build. It is with their support, knowlege, extremely detailed inventory and network I have been able to source all of the things for development of this car. They are mainly an internet company but also handle walkins with special projects. I'd highly suggest getting in touch with them if you want quality parts. As an exaple they have over 20 types of braided hoses for different applications and then all the fittings...

If any of you guys want more info, check out their site here: http://www.paragonperformance.com/

Note: Red is pressure source, black is wastegate acuators, this is how it looks without the firesleeve.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/cinesnow/78305D16-F1C7-46C1-A33A-CAE2C7726619.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/cinesnow/AE9CA680-D6A2-4CE8-A3E9-10FA374E8E93.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/cinesnow/7F2B04AE-9651-4F45-AF3F-B025A2678236.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/cinesnow/932AA45C-D278-47A2-AE15-B9AC2097227D.jpg

Mark00s4
09-22-2014, 03:52 PM
Wow that's quite the setup, thanks for the info. I was looking at a couple of sites trying to see what kind of fittings are available and how I would make it work. So it's great that you have resources like that. I'm on board for some pre made lines.

BITRBO
09-24-2014, 11:39 AM
Incredible build OP. Not sure how I missed this thread... I particularly like your dual-battery setup, and wasn't aware that Opti had thin 3-cell units like that... I agree the extra CCA is nice, and the weight distribution is nice perk too. [up]


i'm a firm believer that our electronic braking systems are a total nightmare. This is largely to do with them trying to use the breaks to sort out the shortfalls of our open differentials -- our differentials are not only outdated but half-assed at best. torque vectoring is the wave of the future.

but instead of seeking a limited slip differential, you opted to frankenstein your braking system; effectively creating torque vectoring (allbeit manual torque vectoring) but only in the decel direction. commendable, as all that electronic braking crap is terrible (i won't even commute with traction control on). But why, might i ask, didn't you just get a limited slip differential?

I got an LSD in the rear, wavetrak, it works wonderfully. the car no longer freaks out and throws all the power to the frount when you take tight corners with your inside rear in the air. Would also resolve your 'dip' situation where your getting wheelspin on one or both axels.

I think this is the phenomenon I've been experiencing at the track, where through certain corner exits, there is a "dead-zone" in initial acceleration upon throttle application. Almost as if my inside rear is spinning or the traction control is kicking in for a split second (even when the ESP button is depressed or the fuse is pulled). SO annoying, but I haven't gotten approval from my wife to sell a testicle yet for the Wave Trac [=(]

cinesnow
10-31-2014, 06:04 PM
Thought i'd write a quick update, was really sick for a while and finally resumed the build today. Brought my exhaust inside and caught a mouse inside it. After flushing the little f**ker down the toilet i found all of these in my exhaust. More to come soon...

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/cinesnow/1B8D9E58-E7BF-4F0E-9959-4D2357ED2BE7.jpg

cinesnow
11-08-2014, 07:04 PM
Small update, Iv'e been making alot of revisions to the fuel circut and finishid the surge tank this evening. I'm hoping to install it in the car after a few celebratory beers for the biggest pita in the car.

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/78826298-1759-4B0F-A152-985AC4E46581.jpg

cinesnow
11-13-2014, 08:52 PM
So after alot lof of fitting stuff under the hood and multiple revisions, today I decided to go mafless and throw away my y pipe and say goodbye to the 034 intake.

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/39009FDB-BDFA-498C-A8A9-2527667B3E68.jpg

Monty23
11-14-2014, 04:34 AM
Are you sticking with ME7? Who will be doing your tuning?

cinesnow
11-14-2014, 07:38 AM
I'm going with Eurodyne since im using their boost manager plus units for the pumps, Dave at Au Tuning will be writing the tables on their dynapack as soon as I get this thing back together.

cinesnow
11-14-2014, 05:19 PM
Today I visited Turbosmart and was helped by Marty Staggs who is the VP/GM for the us division and I have to say, they are one of the most helpful and personable companies i've ever worked with. We allocated a couple of trumpets so i could convert my bpv's to bov's as well as a pair of 2" 45* silicone hoses to run between the turbo inlets and proposed air filters. Those guys have more options for silicone on the shelf than any other place iv'e walked in to. Next stop was APR, I met wih a guy named KC, who knew exactly what I was looking for and I placed an order for some carbon naca ducts which should arrive next week. My plan is to cut holes into my immaculate brilliant black hood (which happens to do a better job at reflecting than my bathroom mirror) and insert the carbon ducts to top feed the turbos. I'm also on the hunt for a pair of C5 RS6 fender liners to retrofit so the bottom of the air filters will also get good air.

On the topic of air filters, my last stop was to K&N in riverside in hopes of meeting with someone who could help me narrow down a good choice based on a face to face conversation with parts, pictures and cash. This place is HUGE, literally a whole city block. In fact the company is so big and "corporatized" I only got to meet the secretary who looked like she came straight from the booth at sema. (which was nice) but I'm sad to say it was damn near impossible to get help as all of the people she was able to refer me to required an appoitment. Upon trying to set one up, every point of contact had a vm box which turned out to be full. They really aren't a customer friendly place and most of their retailers don't understand the product lineup well enough to make good reccomendations. In the end, I called Racing Plus, talked with Gerald who is right down the street and we did our best to find a pair of filters that would work based on a bigger is better kind of stratgegy. We'll see how they work out next week as well.

So until then, this is as far as I can go and some pics of the day:

Picing up new bits at turbosmart
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/068299A7-C0A2-4492-9227-086D2BBA199E.jpg

Coolest lucky cat ever who happens to reside at APR
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/5810FBC2-4151-4B79-830A-C9169B2C65BA.jpg

Getting lost on the city block called K&N & snooping around a bit:
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/8BBF1FB9-8F1A-47A1-ABA7-E051B0159618.jpg

The car as it sits with some new bits:
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/BD1FD84C-EF11-4ED0-87D3-961969820BFE.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/BC59F601-7315-4823-BCEC-008AA21BB18D.jpg

Shhmaudi
11-15-2014, 10:42 AM
Incredible attention to detail, no shortage of quality parts. A+

Looking forward to seeing this complete! Your almost there[race]

Question, The guys @ AU tuning/ you will be selling those custom fabbed wastegate lines, or the blueprints to diy?

cinesnow
11-15-2014, 12:16 PM
Thanks for the kind words, I'm hoping to put this beast on the dyno in about four weeks. (fingers crossed)

Due to the complexity of the wastegate lines and having to develop custom billet tools so the manufacturer could produce the fittings, i'm sorry to say it is pretty far from a diy project. Dave and Raz should be doing an official product release on the wg kit and oil supply kit soon. I did build them a few sets which are currently in their possesion and ready to ship though.

cinesnow
11-17-2014, 06:33 PM
Small update: fixed all of the blown speakers in the car, did the one touch rear window mod and mounted the eurodyne boost managers today Lots of wires to run now...

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/26B11E44-BEFF-4427-B2CD-AABC100D60A9.jpg

cinesnow
11-19-2014, 07:35 PM
Picked up a few bits today but my favorite has to be the naca ducts that APR made, can't wait to mount them up!

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/C4632422-F444-4A6C-BEEE-861EF06B2802.jpg

JKnight41
11-19-2014, 08:57 PM
Looks awesome man!

If you were willing to ship that silicon hose and 85mm MAF I would paypal you right away haha. Love the car though! Cant wait to see it finished

cinesnow
11-19-2014, 09:15 PM
Thanks man, I might consider it if you were willing to buy the whole setup =) First person who is willing to pay $450 can have all of it...

ilyafil
11-19-2014, 10:00 PM
Holy fucking hoses, Batman!

http://img.4plebs.org/boards/tg/image/1369/01/1369019068829.jpg

RickyCastro
11-19-2014, 11:50 PM
I hate my y pipe so much. I wish we had the hands on tuning up here in AK like you have down south.

JKnight41
11-20-2014, 06:44 AM
Thanks man, I might consider it if you were willing to buy the whole setup =) First person who is willing to pay $450 can have all of it...

:( I've already got an x34 intake

cinesnow
11-26-2014, 04:18 PM
Rickycastro, My favorite thing about the s4 in cold weather was how the shape of the Y melted the snow on the hood. worth the trade i guess =)

Couple quick updates,
Sold the Air Intake & ran into a snag on tires, since toyo r 888's in 285/30/18's are backordered for months I jumped up to 295/30/18's and now have more metal to shave out of my fenders. go wide or go home i guess...
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/1FF80C0C-B006-45D9-85A7-3A4770F5EB8D.jpg

mightemouce
11-26-2014, 05:07 PM
can't wait to see this thing up an running! Awesome work !

landfill
11-26-2014, 06:41 PM
If I stay narrow body I was just going to stay at 245's. You found a cheaper solution for going wider correct?
Fender arches or custom body work?

cinesnow
11-26-2014, 06:56 PM
I tried alot of sizes a few years back, Check it out: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/535274-Going-Outlaw?highlight=outlaw

landfill
11-26-2014, 07:17 PM
I thought I saw that you were using those bolt on fender flares?
I would like to be able to run 275's but on the stock body that won't
work. I was about to do the oem wide body but I need to stop
spending damn money and get my car running.

cinesnow
11-27-2014, 02:15 AM
I just bolted the wheels up with the 10mm spacers i ran on the 285's and they need another 3-4mm to clear the rear hub assembly which also means that the fender flairs no longer fit so looks like ill be going to a wider set front and rear - so much fun...

cinesnow
11-30-2014, 06:17 PM
Couple updates,

I was able to get the rear fenders yo clear the new tires by going up from 10-15mm spacers and had to bang on the metal part of the fender with a hammer until the bolt on's cleared.

Rewired the wires on the underside of the fuel lid to the pump with some thicker wire and took some pics since i never posted any
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/717C1D6C-9D9C-45AA-9D2E-D05FD82E06CB.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/0066B06B-A792-43B2-B4EF-F452302B3F58.jpg

cinesnow
12-13-2014, 02:08 PM
This morning I decided to delete my intercoolers based on the knowlege they are going to pull back up my iat's due to injecting pre turbo. I was borderline about this for some time but am really curious to see how it spools without them so bye-bye wagners...

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/3D200C71-ACD2-4EAA-B647-F69B1DE5A180.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/5A08E426-E32E-445F-9013-94A3661F2D83.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/2038CD0A-6016-4946-820C-C5D575CD174F.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/C9818824-BF13-453B-9439-5646B11461BF.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/EEC13259-68F1-440C-9D98-2FA5B21FE9D8.jpg

landfill
12-13-2014, 03:34 PM
I'm doing a similar twin intake setup off of my compressor housings. She's looking good but are you running absolutely no intercooler
at all? That's a new one for me on a turbo car.

cinesnow
12-13-2014, 04:17 PM
Correct, due to injecting in front of the turbos the fluids are being vaporised and the temps post turbo and pre intercooler are capable of producing ambient and lower temps with the proper water/alcohol ratio and properly sized injectors. In this paticular application i have seen the intercoolers act as an area of low pressure causing the recently vaporised fluids to re-condense causing the air to heat back up. I'm spraying in two stages (pre turbo and pre throttle body) so I'm still managing it but couldn't justify correcting the temps twice. My intent pre turbo is to manipulate the efficency range of the turbos by making their pressure ratio dynamic, whereas the pre throttlebody injectors are purely for anti-detonation and the octain boost. My intent is to activate the pre turbo solenoid around 3-4 psi, keeping the turbos from heat soaking but still warm enough to do their job efficiently. The pre throttlebody solenoid will open where I start to see detonation on the dyno which was 7.4 psi previously running methanol 50/50. I also had a custom solenoid made that is capable of managing two outputs and discharging the line pressure in both of them independently in their normally closed state so that no solid drops hit the impellers or hang around the intake tract due to the line pressure having to discharge through the four injectors and check valves that never quite work as intended.

cinesnow
12-13-2014, 04:58 PM
Pics for the curious, first shows the pre throttle injectors and their route and the second shows the solenoid going to each of the bulkhead fittings. I'm hoping to finish the alcohol system this week but we'll see how everything goes since i keep revising things...

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/4FE78698-6F77-49F6-87C4-73EE788DF3A6.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/0A34FC7E-D922-415E-9A93-C3B658E3EF0F.jpg

Meow
12-15-2014, 12:34 AM
This morning I decided to delete my intercoolers based on the knowlege they are going to pull back up my iat's due to injecting pre turbo. I was borderline about this for some time but am really curious to see how it spools without them so bye-bye wagners...

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/3D200C71-ACD2-4EAA-B647-F69B1DE5A180.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/5A08E426-E32E-445F-9013-94A3661F2D83.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/2038CD0A-6016-4946-820C-C5D575CD174F.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/C9818824-BF13-453B-9439-5646B11461BF.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/EEC13259-68F1-440C-9D98-2FA5B21FE9D8.jpg

First time ive ever seen that on a b5 s4.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ru8DMW-grY


also what maf are you going with? did i miss that? hpx blow through?

hibiscusS4
12-15-2014, 06:05 AM
so your running a blow through maf for the dual intake setup? i love the look of that i might just have to do the same thing. it might be alittle over kill on franken turbos but oh well rather over kill then under ha

cinesnow
12-15-2014, 11:11 AM
Thanks for the comments guys, I'm actually running mafless =)

Hibiscus,
You would be of more benefit than I If you go with pre turbo injection because the frankenturbos fall out of their efficiency range quicker and have a lower threshold. I originally planned on doing f21' specifically for this reason but ended up going to the srm's because they were right in front of me and i had the cash in hand.

Today I decided to do a threshold test on a stock tip radiator. I cut down the flanges and tapped the ports for -6 and put it on the test bench, It held up to 700 psi and ruptured internally at 800. The reason for testing this is because I want to run my Supply line from the alcohol pump into the radiator and then out to the solenoid for distribution to their respective injection points. In theory, I should be able to increase the line pressure and have a finer mist via the conducted heat from the coolant. The other benefit is by heating the fluid I will be able to raise the amount of water used in my water to isoproponal ratio before the water hits 100% reletive humidity in the intake trackt. I don't expect that the trans cooler portion of the radiator would ever see more than 300'ish psi in operation, but we'll see what happens on e it's set up.
More to come soon...
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/DF9D7058-B806-4ECB-AA37-D88DFE810298.jpg

hibiscusS4
12-15-2014, 07:25 PM
Ill have to read more into this cinesnow. Sounds cool

cinesnow
12-15-2014, 08:17 PM
Here are some logs to wet your appetite:
http://www.aquamist.co.uk/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=531

cinesnow
12-16-2014, 06:22 PM
I worked on the car the whole day today, made some adjustments to the oil cooling circut by relocating the thermostat and had to order new fittings so i can run new lines for everything but Everything fits so much better without intercoolers!

I should be picking up my turbos next week, had a friend of mine make some custom brackets and rods for the turbosmart wastegate acuators.

Last update, I'm kind of a picture whore I guess but after test fitting everything on the new engine I thought you guys would enjoy some detailed shots, I know I am...

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/C96E6B65-DCB7-4B72-A9F6-D93A5F82782A.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/B36303BC-9981-4E30-900A-6914B0700859.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/BCB721AA-57FC-4452-A908-C739D2E05DF9.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/F1F83F48-EB45-40DC-B5EE-1F14C66393EF.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/C51832FF-3B4E-49ED-9AC8-BC41006BA559.jpg

Meow
12-17-2014, 12:16 AM
Im kind of impressed how well those stock turns fit together with minor adjustment to the bipipe. Good luck with mafless... everyone I have known who was mafless ended up adding a blow through maf or reverting back to pull through. I know its just a mock up but don't forget to put timing covers on, that reallllllly important for your heads sake. lol

landfill
12-17-2014, 04:48 AM
Yea I don't think me7 will agree well with maf less.
Standalone you could get by. It's a finicky bitch.

hibiscusS4
12-17-2014, 04:58 AM
how would you measure blow by with a bipipe setup though wouldnt it measure wrong? or would u monitor both sides. im shocked mafless isnt easier on our cars

cinesnow
12-17-2014, 07:20 AM
As tight as everything is in this car it still reminds me of being a kid with legos - just slightly greasy ones, haha.
I was concerned about some of the mafless issues but after a talk with dave at au tuning he has assured me that we can get this to run and idle quite nicely. In fact, He has already done it to another me7 car, just wasn't an s4.

Yea, the timing covers are sitting on the shelf, they'll make it back on when the engine goes back in but they are pretty depressing to look at when it's out.

As for the bi-pipes, quick story about them... I ordered them from 034 late 2010/early 2011 and when I received them the bottom ends were facing the framerails. I called them and they thought I was an idiot even after sending them pictures, they told me how they had sold hundreds of sets and how I was the only one with a problem. After insisting on sending them back to see with their own eyes I was given a choice of either having new ones made (at their cost) or having the current ones cut and flaired with some couplers. In retrospect i'm glad I had them modified and to their credit the whole thing was resolved in a week and back to my door (thank you sam)

BITRBO
12-17-2014, 07:32 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ru8DMW-grY



"I sure do love watermelons Cotton."

Jason Bateman is amazing in that movie...

BITRBO
12-17-2014, 08:11 AM
I worked on the car the whole day today, made some adjustments to the oil cooling circut by relocating the thermostat and had to order new fittings so i can run new lines for everything but Everything fits so much better without intercoolers!

I should be picking up my turbos next week, had a friend of mine make some custom brackets and rods for the turbosmart wastegate acuators.

Last update, I'm kind of a picture whore I guess but after test fitting everything on the new engine I thought you guys would enjoy some detailed shots, I know I am...

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/C96E6B65-DCB7-4B72-A9F6-D93A5F82782A.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/B36303BC-9981-4E30-900A-6914B0700859.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/BCB721AA-57FC-4452-A908-C739D2E05DF9.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/F1F83F48-EB45-40DC-B5EE-1F14C66393EF.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/C51832FF-3B4E-49ED-9AC8-BC41006BA559.jpg

Wait, so obviously I missed something... No IC's? That's gonna be some HOT charged air.

cinesnow
12-17-2014, 09:04 AM
Biturbo,

You did but it's ok. I had custom axial brackets made that sit right in front of the compressor wheel to inject water and isopropanol with my old aem meth pump and some new solenoids using an injection strategy that will have the effect of creating an air density management system. Since i live at high altitudes and want to do hillclimbs in even higher places I needed a way to make volumetric efficency a dynamic factor in the positive direction. The omission of the intercoolers was a side thought and will work great as long as the turbos are spooled to the respective trigger point for the two areas of injection (pre turbo and pre throttlebody). In short, you can extend the efficiency range of a normal turbo up top making it bigger than it really is.

Also, they could work around 1/3 less hard to make the same requests in the mid range due to managing the air's density and iat's via the atomised fluids. The key is to balance the ratio of the water and ipa so the water reaches 100% reletive humidity at the operating temperatures and altitude the engine will be running at. The ipa can then act as a second traunch for it's cooling effects, it's vapor density and octaine boost. I do believe that if I was to drive the car on the 405 in los angeles at peak traffic in the summer that the car would be quite heat soaked off boost, but I'm determined to find out and can always put the intercoolers back in if i'm going to drive the car for more than competitive reasons.

hibiscusS4
12-17-2014, 09:16 AM
i will be running my intake like yours because man i just cant get enough on how that looks. but my car will be daily drive so keeping intercoolers is proboly a must

BITRBO
12-17-2014, 09:21 AM
Biturbo,

You did but it's ok. I had custom axial brackets made that sit right in front of the compressor wheel to inject water and isopropanol with my old aem meth pump and some new solenoids using an injection strategy that will have the effect of creating an air density management system. Since i live at high altitudes and want to do hillclimbs in even higher places I needed a way to make volumetric efficency a dynamic factor in the positive direction. The omission of the intercoolers was a side thought and will work great as long as the turbos are spooled to the respective trigger point for the two areas of injection (pre turbo and pre throttlebody). In short, you can extend the efficiency range of a normal turbo up top making it bigger than it really is.

Also, they could work around 1/3 less hard to make the same requests in the mid range due to managing the air's density and iat's via the atomised fluids. The key is to balance the ratio of the water and ipa so the water reaches 100% reletive humidity at the operating temperatures and altitude the engine will be running at. The ipa can then act as a second traunch for it's cooling effects, it's vapor density and octaine boost. I do believe that if I was to drive the car on the 405 in los angeles at peak traffic in the summer that the car would be quite heat soaked off boost, but I'm determined to find out and can always put the intercoolers back in if i'm going to drive the car for more than competitive reasons.

Interesting. Look forward to seeing the results!

cinesnow
12-17-2014, 09:28 AM
Hibiscus,

Thanks for the kind words, We'll see how everything works out on the street in a few weeks. I know from other cars that have similar setups without intercoolers that it is quite possible to dd but none of them are b5 s4's. I'm guessing if you were to put your intakes where mine are you'd be running a front mount intercooler?

hibiscusS4
12-17-2014, 09:44 AM
yes sir. jhm front mount and it gets quite hot in conneticut in the summers at times so intercoolers are good. you said your using eurodyne to tune it? or have you switched tuners

cinesnow
12-17-2014, 09:55 AM
I was thinking how practical it was to do the intakes like this with a front mount when i was putting everything together earlier in the week, glad someone is going to do it. There is ample room to put the ducting to and from the intercooler on the inside of the air filters against the frame rail. Dave at auto union tuning will be writing the tables using eurodyne's software for the ecu and their boost manager software to drive the pumps and various solenoids since i integrated their computers into my car. Every audi I have owned that used me7 and an n75 sucked so I'm happy to use anyone elses anything.

hibiscusS4
12-17-2014, 10:07 AM
sounds interesting i will have to look into that option. im trying to learn alot about tuning my self but mafless seems to be a whole new way to kick your self in the balls so to speak.
my turbos are still on back order so when i get them and start updating it with intercooler running and intake stuff ill be sure to share it with you

BITRBO
12-30-2014, 12:55 PM
18'ish pounds, if you do check out the metal battery boxes Kartek has, i bought two of the upright ones.

I need to buy mounting hardware tomorrow but here's some pics:


http://imageshack.us/a/img5/3272/nh43.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img51/2634/w814.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img856/3797/gnhn.jpg

Edit; first thank you for your comments, I am curious what route people have taken for their power from the front tray to the rear.

Thanks in advance.

Hey OP, I just stumbled accross this post while perusing your thread... You mind telling me where you got those battery boxes? And what RedTop model is that?

I went with a Yellow Top for a Pruis cause it was the only thing that I could find [at the time] to fit inside the well, but I could use a little more CCA on some cold starts. I might add one of these on the other side of the well and run them in series like you have it. There shouldn't be any issue running a Red Top and a Yellow Top together, and may even be able to get away with one (1) breaker vs. the two you have (I have the exact same breaker!)...

Thx!

edit: I just realized those are 6V batteries you're running there, so it won't work with the 12v I've got right now... Damn [headbang]

double edit: wait, that's if they're parallel... If I run them in series, I will get 18v right? But at the amperage of the 6v battery, no? Wonder if this will do me any good... [confused]

landfill
12-30-2014, 01:19 PM
Yea Biturbo if you read details on what he is doing with his pre turbo meth injection setup it starts to make sense.
It seems as though air temps stay relatively cool even without IC's.

cinesnow
12-30-2014, 09:03 PM
Biturbo,
The red tops are part number 8010-044. I bought them and the battery boxes from a place in riverside ca called kartek, they do alot of stuff for the baja 1000 crowd. I plan on replacing the breakers with a solid state relay with remote buttons in cabin and on the hood once the car needs to be compliant for tech inspection but the breakers are good enough for the job on the street i think. As for the wiring, I used to know someone who wired up his porsche 930 with 24v for a really interesting anti theft project but on the b5 there are way more computers and wires to fry with that kind of amperage - but your windows would roll up REALLY fast, haha.

Landfill, I like to say that preventative measures are better than corrective measures. In this application Iv'e witnessed the intercoolers change into interheaters, it's a shame that there isn't much shared information in the auto arena about this. At a later stage when I put in the rs4 intake manifold and a larger exhaust I want to try straight water. I'm really interested in eliminating the pre throttlebody injectors and setting up the car with pre turbo and direct port to see if there is any benefit there as well.

BITRBO
12-31-2014, 06:48 AM
Cool - Think I found it:

http://www.kartek.com/Product/2038/6v-Series-Side-Mount-Battery-Box.aspx

I'm just not sure 100% if I can run a 6V regular cycle with a 12V deep cycle in series... Will post a separate thread as not to clutter yours.

But out of curiousity, how did you mount the boxes to the well? They appear to be designed for side mounting, so just wondering if they mounted O.K. vertically like you have them.

Thx again!

cinesnow
12-31-2014, 08:49 AM
I would personally use two 6v like mine but there is probably a way to wire it up if you just want to do it for the starter motor. I used to drive an SL55, that car had two 12v batteries. There was a really big battery in the spare tire well and another normal one up front for just that purpose but i'm not sure how it was set up. The battery boxes are mounted through the wall of the wheel well with stainless 1/4" hardware and rubber donughts in between the inner wall and boxes. Alot of the off road guys mount them under their seats so orientation isn't important.

cinesnow
01-04-2015, 08:40 PM
Couple of updates,
Ive been running wires all week for the two boost manager plus computers. Tomorrow when I have a chance I'm going to post the pinout from the boost managers to the locations i used and the factory wires I have tapped into incase anyone wants to do something similar as I'm pretty pisitive no onehas posted any info about them on a b5 s4. Until then, here are a few pics The first three shots show the wires for the fuel pumps in the surge tank, the two map sensors, solenoid wires and where I tapped into the engine harness for rpm signal (yellow)

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/E3CEDE4D-8A09-4EE2-A3BD-9F52BE631A4D.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/26CDB9FD-78A8-412D-BECE-7D7A84E909AF.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/5C961D2D-6FEB-4C19-B718-01C053551CF3.jpg

Since I ran 14 gauge under the fuel lid and for the surge tank fuel pumps I decided to match it in the tank location by removing the stock wires and running new ones using the factory route under the seats to the passenger door and back to the computers where the tool kit used to reside:
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/DACF55D7-5833-4A2B-B696-F8E5B4F59D36.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/27C35377-8B92-4AAD-88AA-55EC684C15A0.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/9A32362D-09CB-41F1-B073-559EB03D3A6E.jpg

I promise to post my notes tomorrow incase anyone can benefit from my work.

cinesnow
01-09-2015, 08:27 AM
Wiring Notes:
Eurodyne Boost Manager Plus

BM+ 1: Aux = fuel pump #1
Main = alcohol pump
BM+ 2:
Aux = fuel pump #1
Main = fuel pump #2

* * Pin# / BM+
1, RT (Map Sensor)
2, BL (Map Sensor)
9, OR (Key On Power)
10, YE (RPM Input signal) GN/GE, pin 110 on ecu harness
11, SW (Map Sensor)

Pin# / BM+ (-wire) / Solenoids / Solenoid (+ wire)
18, / GN (GP1) / N75 (Unused) /
17, / WS (GP2) / Pre Turbo & Pre TB inj. / SW, to key on power

Pin# / BM+ / fuel tank / chassis harness
20, PN = RT = GN/GE (+)
19, GE = BN/SW = LI/SW (-)

Extra wire needed for front to rear, BM+ harness extension
ws. 160"
tq/or 140"
ye. 165"
map 85"

cinesnow
01-09-2015, 09:13 AM
The turbos new brackets are finished, I attached a few pics from the first set I made up and the final set getting scanned into the computer for CNC.

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/D2DC14D3-DAD4-4CDD-8919-17BF70D251F9.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/DCED9F63-7679-42FC-89D6-78A9FD84E433.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/FC4FFD33-1C16-43FD-9B59-9B0511A86A89.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/BF32327A-74CB-4EB6-92E7-3ADAF4CDA00F.jpg

Made an adapter for setting the wastegates, it plugs into the Y of my wastegate kit and uses a schrader valve like the type in a wheel or a bicycle tube stem on the other side. It uses a shock pump from my bike tools which has a nice gauge to help out.
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/ABC81D56-F256-41ED-B77C-DB85275C9E15.jpg

cinesnow
01-15-2015, 07:04 PM
Little update, Today I finished the last of the lines for my car and started getting ready to put the engine in this weekend, should have the car on the dyno by the end of next week if everything goes well.

The pics below are of the coolant circut, I couldn't stand to leave them stock after using sutch nice materials everywhere.
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/F608D589-8257-416B-9889-209AF4E58DD7.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/21EB0F4D-9EBD-4ACA-A505-4DC4257D1271.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/F364F802-8EE7-48FB-983E-826B71A557F6.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/96A1FCDE-542C-48BB-93B3-A6CCC6E479DF.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/DE763D31-EDEB-493E-BF22-C5DC5ACDA116.jpg

cinesnow
02-09-2015, 07:13 PM
So I have alittle update, I finished the car and got everything locked down - Then I broke the pressure plate like a dumbass on my first start... Here are a few pics of the car right before I pulled the engine again, more to come soon:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/D3009685-956A-479D-9DE5-A67826C4190C.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/4A7EB078-29E5-4026-9362-231485791C78.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/E5DA806B-A7B1-482E-AD44-D1BD6269B3ED.jpg

cinesnow
02-09-2015, 07:19 PM
Also, alittle trick I use when installing 915 and g50 gearboxes in porsches to keep the throwout bearing centered. I was suprised to have to do the same thing on b5 this time.

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/D3F9C136-1CFD-4D22-A2F1-2FD51370B659.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/47166803-D1C8-4B31-8E91-F4000DC9FE65.jpg

cinesnow
04-25-2015, 09:49 PM
Small update, Ive been having clutch trouble with the s4 and have pulled the engine 3 times now, the last time the clip that held the clutch fork against the gearbox was weak and backed out. Unfortunately, today I put everythig together and the clutch pedal is still vibrating and wont let it into gear. Iv'e checked it with a borescope and everything is secure and aligned, I floolwed 034's instructions and made sure the throwout bearing had 1mm of clearance against the clutch fork as well. I am at a loss, in the time iv'e screwed around with this damn clutch iv'e built two other cars but still the audi sits... Iv'e installed my fair share of clutches and never had an issue or lost the battle to a part, sucks...

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/image.jpg

FlyboyS4
04-26-2015, 01:56 AM
Some interesting things going on with the build. The pre-turbo injection and IC delete are a couple of nice concepts to test out. I'm also interested in seeing how the Boost Manager works out for you as I've yet to get around to dialing mine in.

Fwiw, I have never logged intake air temps greater than the compressor outlet temp, meaning the term 'inter-heater' has not been substantiated in any logging I have done of pre/post IC temps. Here's a snippet of results (http://www.myaudis4.com/2014/05/10/iat-problems/).

cinesnow
04-26-2015, 12:33 PM
Logging the pre tirbo setup is something iv'e been lookijg forward to for a while now, I'll be happy to share my findings once we start. From my past experiences and working with other people that have used pre turbo injection it's interesting how intercoolers effect changes.
I'm really happy with the options of the boost manager setup but the rpm and map readings are way off out of the box. I'm not sure what to do to correct them so I figured I'd let dave set them up when it's dyno time.

Time to remove the gearbox again, I'm not stopping until this thing drives - so help me...

cinesnow
04-28-2015, 08:45 PM
So after the fourth engine pull for this clutch issue, these are my observations: The throwout bearing is perfectly centered, the clutch fork has proper clearance between it and the clutch fork to float, it's been lubed with high temp grease, the retainer clip holding the fork against the bellhousing is secure and the fork pivots correctly, the clutch disks are installed with in the correct direction, I pressure bled the clutch circut and then manually bled it with a second person to help the old fashion way. With the car in the air, in first gear, the engine on and brake pedal in the engine stalls. I put the car on the ground and started it i first and drove it up a smal incline and out it in first gear with the engine off and no brakes but the car stis there in gear still. I'm stumped.

After taking the engine out AGAIN, I did find that the inner edge of the throwout bearing is coming in contact with the diaphram when the engine is running and has milled enough metal off to be seen in it's assembled state with a borescope and then again dis-assembled. It explains why I have a pulsating feeling in the pedal but I still don't get why it's happening. I'll be talking with 034 to orrow to see what's up but wanted to share my expierience and ask if anyone has any insight...

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/82500451-9ED3-4134-BA54-45990CEC28E5.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/AF453C53-FC23-4939-8231-ED6FBFA561A6.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/3D63AAAD-BFC4-4E0F-9065-3D8811A66DC9.jpg

Austonwerner4
04-29-2015, 05:12 AM
Stop wasting your time with the Audi and drive the Porsche!

cinesnow
05-03-2015, 09:17 AM
Couple quick updates, I'm pretty sure I found the issue. My gearbox never had the snout with three bolts in the center of the throwout bearing that comnects to the gearbox. I ordered one and will pull the gearbox to install it later next week. Hopefully the car is ready for the dyno after.

Auston, the black GT2 is a project i'm building for a customer, unfortunately it's out of comission until I transfer the engine from the white turbo cab which I have been driving. I must say though, even with gt35 turbos the porsche isn't as much fun as a B5 with lowly k24's. I really like the lack of attention the s4 provides and the fact that I can use the threshold of the turbos in the corners still is awesome.

Pics for the curious:
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/89AF44E6-C0A9-4F0F-8683-24F243FF3F6A.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/AE455D38-7BC4-4076-83AC-BB0E4FF8BEE1.jpg

cinesnow
05-23-2015, 10:08 AM
After working on other people's cars for the past few weeks I decided to pull the engine this weekend and install the missing snout and a fresh throwout bearing. Also decided to expand my garage to 3 car capacity and put an end to the constant rolling around and crawling on the floor...
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/D3ED2F8F-4ACF-447E-9A13-C8AAE69EE06D.jpg

landfill
05-25-2015, 03:59 AM
There's no way a 3.6TT on GT35's isn't a huge rush. That's a 1,000whp kit all fucking day long. Definitely
one of my dream builds for the future. Is it still AWD or did they do the RWD conversion? Anyways great
looking porsche's but the GT2 is one of my favorite cars. I love my vw/audi's but once I have the extra flow
I will start tinkering with porsche for sure. Looking forward to see the results of your b5 build. If you're ever
at auto union in huntingon beach doing anything interesting hmu on here if you don't mind.

mrbillydee
05-25-2015, 06:17 AM
There's no way a 3.6TT on GT35's isn't a huge rush. That's a 1,000whp kit all fucking day long. Definitely
one of my dream builds for the future. Is it still AWD or did they do the RWD conversion? Anyways great
looking porsche's but the GT2 is one of my favorite cars. I love my vw/audi's but once I have the extra flow
I will start tinkering with porsche for sure. Looking forward to see the results of your b5 build. If you're ever
at auto union in huntingon beach doing anything interesting hmu on here if you don't mind.
The way I read it was that that's exactly why hee liked driving the Audi more... It's not a twitchy, extreme power machine requiring every ounce of his attention to drive.

mrbillydee
05-25-2015, 06:19 AM
And btw, a 911 turbo has been my dream car every since I first rode in one at the agree of ten in 1985, lol

cinesnow
05-25-2015, 07:47 AM
Thanks guys, The white and black cars are on moton triple adjustsbles with heim joints on everything, they were converted to rwd with the new hubs and shocks up front. The bodies were re made in carbon fiber and are alot wider, they use 325's out back and 265's in the front. The engine was bored out to 3.8l with 10.5:1 like my b5, the top end is all gt3 so it spins to the moon. Can't forget to mention the gears from a gt3 in 1-5 and a custom 6'th for top speed and the larger fuel tank to keep it out of the gas station. It is an insane car, runs on straight methanol with an aquamist system. It really is a 1000 hp car, the turbos are so big you can stay under the threshold and drive it n/a and still have a blast. But... it's still a p car, the b5 has the exact same stance innreverse with the engine in the opposing end so in the corners the p car is like a drifting slingshot and the b5 you can jump in head first and use the turbos before, during and after a turn pretending you are walter rohl. I doubt I'll hit the top speeds Iv'e accomplished in the porsches but that's ok. It's also nice not to be noticed everywhere you go.

The b5 will be living on dave's dyno for at least 3-4 days, I plan on sending the car to him later this week, going to dyno the white car as well. It'd be cool to meet some of you guys.

mrbillydee
05-25-2015, 08:36 AM
Those are my dream cars right there, but I'd never, not in a million years, need anything that extreme. I'd be perfectly happy with the stock hp those monsters put out, with a nice exhaust for some good sound from that boxer engine. Very impressive what you're doing with them, as well as what you're doing with the Audi. I've been watching this build and really like seeing someone take a completely different approach to everything. I don't have the skills, knowledge, or money to accomplish this, but I enjoy learning from what you're doing and finding out what's possible with these.
Cheers brother🍻

cinesnow
05-25-2015, 09:02 AM
Thanks, I'm only able to do this because I have awesome customers which share my interest. I can't take credit for the gt35 engine though, betim and joey at bbi autosport are the creators of that beast. I'm going to most likely get some sort of gt3 engine for the white one but it's up to the next owner really.

Scotty@Advanced
05-25-2015, 07:18 PM
That is the thickest T/O brg I've seen that can't be right. Dumb question but does the clutch require the spacer between the engine and trans?

landfill
05-26-2015, 04:24 AM
Yeah I was thinking that as well the TOB is fucking huge but he also said he didn't have the snout installed inside the bell housing.
That would throw you off and explain the clutch not engaging at all after install.

cinesnow
05-26-2015, 09:40 AM
Hey Scott, i considered not using the spacer but the bellhousing bolts topped out before the gearbox was completely mated so I'm going to assume that it needs the adapter since there is no mention of new hardware out there. Will be wrapping this up today, I'll let you guys know how it goes later this afternoon after it is assembled again

Eurotuned_A4
05-26-2015, 11:47 AM
My throwout bearing on my Spec 3+ looks to be the same (except mine isnt missing anything). I have a picture of it somewhere in comparison to the stock metal one people also use. Ill try to find it to post a picture.

cinesnow
05-30-2015, 09:35 PM
Eurotuned, if you can find them. i'd love to see what others have been through with their clutches.

I got mine finished, The missing snout was definately the problem. Tomorrow I have to diagnose the fuel sending unit due to it's not working all of a sudden. Also ran into a problem with the front wheels rubbing on the rear lower control arms so I decided to clearence them until I get tires for my other wheels which clear better with the wider tires. The varrstoen's are 10.5" the new RS4 wheels are 10" so problem solved. Got them powdercoated Gunmetal grey too.

Will ship the car to Dave at au tuning for the dyno and fueling tables on tuesday, more to come soon:
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/9DFCAED7-63C9-4B18-945C-562CB7B779A3.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/67EE687E-32D1-49F4-A928-2F30FD81BC17.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/78487175-699C-4706-9458-B1031F5D15EE.jpg

zillarob
05-30-2015, 11:25 PM
Here is a spec next to a sb

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ZTal5XEPJ7k/UmfEIDIkQFI/AAAAAAAABto/mmMdFeLTOwk/s512/IMG_1225.JPG

cinesnow
06-02-2015, 04:25 PM
The car is on it's way to au tuning and will be living on their dyno for a little while, more to come soon...
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/D803E0C0-E10D-46E8-819B-11B3DCE7756B_1.jpg

getslideways
06-03-2015, 11:02 PM
Tell Dave to nab some dyno footage to share!

landfill
06-04-2015, 01:28 AM
Damn I want to go see your build in person. Might stop by if you don't mind.
She's running right?

cinesnow
06-05-2015, 09:18 AM
I asked dave to take a vid or two, when they have the boost turned up i'll let you know as I wanna come down and witness the session too. I'll ask him to send me a link to one when it's done. It does run, I did a a quick pull up the street to put it on the flatbed and the blowoff valves sound like two subarus having sex minus the whole lawnmower tone, can't wait to see it on the dyno/street.

I also came across a burnt allroad and pulled the gearbox yesterday, it was too cheap to pass up. I'm in between building a spare for the s4 or converting my recently aquired allroad 4.2 to a stick:
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/E92F8653-5BB3-4CDF-925A-34F608E8A121.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/A4E00FAF-5EDB-4A24-B8AF-1938F245E359.jpg

BITRBO
06-05-2015, 09:37 AM
There's no way a 3.6TT on GT35's isn't a huge rush. That's a 1,000whp kit all fucking day long. Definitely
one of my dream builds for the future. Is it still AWD or did they do the RWD conversion? Anyways great
looking porsche's but the GT2 is one of my favorite cars. I love my vw/audi's but once I have the extra flow
I will start tinkering with porsche for sure. Looking forward to see the results of your b5 build. If you're ever
at auto union in huntingon beach doing anything interesting hmu on here if you don't mind.

That's my goal too, but I wanna hear that N/A 3.8L scream down the straights at 8400 rpm... GT3 fo shizzle my nizzle:

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/12/12e3cfd81fce2dc0c1d08440ae212c5a11ffa8d56e399fe0f6 9599ee0be8aa6f.jpg

Sp8t
06-05-2015, 10:06 AM
http://i62.tinypic.com/282dwg1.jpg

Wow!! Just found this thread and almost spit my morning cup of coffee out 5 times as I saw the progression! Can't wait like no other to see what see dyno's!!!

slowSfaux
06-05-2015, 11:13 AM
http://i62.tinypic.com/282dwg1.jpg

Wow!! Just found this thread and almost spit my morning cup of coffee out 5 times as I saw the progression! Can't wait like no other to see what see dyno's!!!

I feel the same way everytime I finish a repair. I spend a weekend replacing my steering rack and pump, then think, "let's see what's happened on AZ while I was occupied." then proceed to find out Zillarob built two stage three cars, CELison swapped his motor, and weslife got into three Internet fights. Always kills my high when I see the productivity of this community.

Sp8t
06-05-2015, 12:16 PM
^^^Hahahahahaha!! I feel your pain. I swear most people on here have probably forgotten more things about these cars than I know... Does motivate to learn more though. The productivity of this community is pretty radical. Very admirable to say the least. Some talented people out there is all I can say.

landfill
06-06-2015, 01:29 AM
^^^All in time my friend...[up]

Zba
07-23-2015, 05:29 PM
Updates?

acoleman
07-24-2015, 08:46 AM
Can you tell me the specs on your wheel & tire setup that works? I'm running the same flare setup. I'm thinking 275/30/19 on 19x10 et15 would work well.

cinesnow
07-25-2015, 07:10 AM
Hey everyone,
I visited the car yesterday, It's been chilling at au tuning for the last month or so and should be going on the dyno in a week or two. Other than that, i picked up an e46 m3 and am going to sell it when the s4 comes home, if anyone wants to buy a 1 owner original paint car lemme know...
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/7E53AF93-7022-468E-AEA5-C174FE635C9D.jpgHey everyone,
I visited the car today, It's been chilling at au tuning for the last month or so and should be going on the dyno in a week or two. I picked up an e46 m3 and am going to sell it when the s4 comes home, if anyone wants to buy a 1 owner original paint car lemme know...
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/7E53AF93-7022-468E-AEA5-C174FE635C9D.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/180ED4E9-9149-49F8-8FBA-B1470808D31A.jpg

Acoleman, the optimal size was 285/30/18 et 25 with 18x10" 10.5" is just too wide for clearence on anything more than an 8mm spacer. since you are looking to run 19" id find a tire calculator and verify the rollout and width as anything taller/wider will be a problem.

landfill
07-25-2015, 04:14 PM
Put that s54 on boost!

cinesnow
07-25-2015, 07:47 PM
landfill, an m3 with a vf engineering supercharger, ohlins ttx 46's r888's and csl bumpers are my next build. I took this one in on trade and decided it's too mint to modify. someone looking for an unmolested car would
really appreciate this one so i'm going to find another.

landfill
07-26-2015, 11:40 AM
[up]!!

mikeb17
09-18-2015, 10:37 PM
Alright man I'm calling you it, I NEED UPDATES ON THIS BUILD!

Sp8t
09-19-2015, 09:17 AM
^^^^Agreed!! Good call Mikeb17.

getslideways
09-19-2015, 09:33 AM
Hear Hear! I need some fresh auto porn!

mikeb17
09-19-2015, 03:46 PM
I remember reading somewhere that he gave someone a ride in the car and they said the car is a monster. I was just like "CINESNOW IS HOLDING OUT ON ME! Doesn't he know I live vicariously through his build?!?!?"

cinesnow
09-22-2015, 06:38 AM
Sup guys, sorry to say iv'e been building other cars the last few months. The b5 has been collecting dust at AU tuning for a few months. I have one wiring issue to resolve with the boost managers then it's going on the dyno for a few days. I'll let you guys know when it's on the dynapack in case anyone wants to see it run and have a victory beer or two afterwards.

As far as rides, i'm happy to give a few when it is done. In fact, I'll go one further and say when it's on the road a few of us b5'ers should get together for a high altitude drive through the forests of so cal...

Sp8t
09-22-2015, 06:56 AM
Thanks for the update! I think us B5 sluts were getting a little anxious.

christianb5s4
09-22-2015, 10:37 AM
Which car is yours cinesnow? I was at AU this weekend but only saw nogaro and silver cars.

cinesnow
09-22-2015, 10:58 AM
It's the black b5 with the carbon fender flares and toyo r888's if you didn't see it it was probably hiding in the other building.

cinesnow
09-22-2015, 05:22 PM
It was hiding in the other building, every time I go there it's next to some other sort of widebody:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/cinesnow/6EFAA929-F6CC-4F7B-96CD-F76F6781777C.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/cinesnow/121BDF32-F512-4397-9DB5-7BFB2D16EBD7.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/cinesnow/3F6D54AD-9F93-45FA-B07B-0BF8DAA81B0B.jpg

mikeb17
03-25-2016, 03:31 PM
Any updates cinesnow?

cinesnow
03-26-2016, 01:11 PM
It's funny you ask, this morning I decided to look into a few outstanding problems because I really miss driving this car and then read your post. I'm sad to say it's been in hibernation for a while, I had to pay off my house and am still catching up on some bills before I can resume. While it's been playing dead the seals for the two pumps in the surge tank decided to let go, upon dis assembley I noticed that there needs to be a fourth bolt for the red plate holding in the pumps as it was pissing out the bottom if i started the car due to the huge gap in the bottom of the plate. Iv'e also had trouble with the eurodyne computers, one just mysteriously stopped working and both are not acuating the alcohol solenoids, reading proper manifold pressure or rpm signal. I have checked my harness against their schemadics multipule times and am deciding if I'm going to keep them in the car or not after I call Eurodyne. After I get these resolved I'll give dave and raz the car to finish tuning again.
The good news is the longer it takes the more stuff i'll be able to bolt on like the Ohlins and custom seats and sutch, I diddnt really wanna drive it with the current stasis shocks anyways.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/cinesnow/22EF3AE2-B11E-4FC3-9D24-B941F1676F46.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/cinesnow/1BE06199-9191-4470-8873-8459310AB017.jpg

gmdiluca
03-26-2016, 03:11 PM
Cineshow glad to see this build is still going. Im wanted to ask, are you still making those wastegate lines? id love a set. I emailed AU Tuning about them but never heard back

mikeb17
03-26-2016, 05:17 PM
This is one of my favorite builds on audizine. I'm glad to see its still going.

happy2B5
03-26-2016, 05:42 PM
Ditto. Good call asking for updates

cinesnow
03-27-2016, 03:06 PM
welp, i found my fuel leak...

Video:
http://s13.photobucket.com/user/cinesnow/media/F3D102DB-516A-45D3-B98D-F020D0FA495C.mp4.html

damn surge tank just busted open at the weld:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/cinesnow/80605EA8-D1D5-4E1E-AD6E-A5ED1D78A296.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/cinesnow/E8B1F498-CEAA-4181-B31A-766EFB5DE8B4.jpg

Audi9
03-27-2016, 04:58 PM
Wow. How long have you had the tank?

cinesnow
03-27-2016, 06:21 PM
a year or so, the engine has close to 40 mins of use since i built it do i'm suprises to see this happen so long after I got it...

christianb5s4
03-28-2016, 08:51 AM
That's a bummer, I guess a build at this level can't go without a few unexpected mishaps! Going to be a beast.

cinesnow
04-28-2016, 09:24 PM
Updates on the build:

Today I decided to delete the coolant bar behind the snub mount along with the coolant tank and the lines going to and from the already ommited oil/coolant heat exchanger. I will be making a new coolant expansion tank in aluminum over the next week or two. I plan on relocating it to the passenger side around the area of the airbox.

The repairs are done on the surge tank and it's functioning properly now, I also added a fourth bolt under the pumps for a flush seal against the tank.

I talked with Richard at torquebyte yesterday about my boost manager issues (very helpful and all around cool guy btw) the computers are being shipped to them for a repair and firmware update.

I also decided to order some seats so until they arrive I'll be running the sparco S-lights in the sedan

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/5783D1C5-BF7C-492D-B495-6CA7B7127978.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/5E7D4FB2-88C0-4FE1-965C-D1EB329B135F.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/F80A6D0C-5177-4C92-B195-CCF2C70F5757.jpg
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http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/B488706F-0510-4B48-B62A-42A457B2C1D1.jpg

cinesnow
05-09-2016, 07:46 PM
I decided to make a custom coolant & power steering reservoir last week, made the power steering reservoir sit inside of the fender instead of inside the engine bay. Also resued the stock check valve of the stock cap and put in a a drain petcock and a pressure gauge. here's a couple shots:
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/89B9C10D-9F78-4F62-B721-CBCDE191BE97.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/6E9976C0-CADF-4026-8B56-FD3E53F75091.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/81FB5EF1-A9F2-45AF-8D49-658AD50170AE.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/C7B8AAAE-D3C8-48B6-A1C9-219883811419.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/54783A75-98ED-4972-97D8-67179F5889AB.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/58C635A2-CFF7-4922-A46D-61D9A1C33133.jpg

cinesnow
05-10-2016, 07:40 PM
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/DE24F677-CE6F-4FB0-B7B5-806924DB0CC6.jpghttp://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/C84FB535-214B-4CC5-9FEE-4BCE7B7F0E31.jpghttp://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/5CC577D2-27FA-4991-9139-AAE6ECD78C2F.jpghttp://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/0D42BD9C-54A1-4128-8FD8-FEA6A2D31789.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/3F16777F-6475-43DC-A56E-5493A16E20D2.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/5101E35C-CD7B-4D58-8C7F-8138AAACB9D0.jpg

jaychen
05-11-2016, 03:17 AM
How come you are keeping the stock power steering res also?

cinesnow
05-11-2016, 08:35 AM
it's just there until I weld an fittings onto the other side for the ps pump and the rack return line, then i'll make the braided an lines and fill it up

cinesnow
05-11-2016, 08:57 PM
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/FC4559B5-C6AB-45BE-8C2A-A2AE672EA5F4.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/7CDFC18F-F469-4B86-88C6-7F9AC17ED944.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/973E892C-BF37-4FD2-870E-6BD4EFAD1FBD.jpg

Austonwerner4
05-12-2016, 11:34 AM
Where did you get those ducts?

cinesnow
05-12-2016, 01:35 PM
Auston, your car is looking good man. I went to APR in california, they had a few different types and are able to do some custom work as well

Austonwerner4
05-12-2016, 04:06 PM
Auston, your car is looking good man. I went to APR in california, they had a few different types and are able to do some custom work as well


Thanks!

Yeah I was looking at APR's site earlier this week. They have some nice CF products.

christianb5s4
05-13-2016, 08:49 AM
Man that's looking good Marc, awesome progress.

cinesnow
05-13-2016, 05:12 PM
Thanks christian, working on the s4 this weekend?

I figured since ive kept you guys in suspense for so long i'd share a couple vids of the car starting and running, almost drive time...

http://s301.photobucket.com/user/Cinesnow_/media/3E35B0DD-4788-4888-AE8A-27F2D870F4C9.mp4.html

http://s301.photobucket.com/user/Cinesnow_/media/B4435577-B985-4971-AC40-531CB0F3F905.mp4.html

S4tech2
05-13-2016, 06:22 PM
Oh my gosh this is amazing

happy2B5
05-14-2016, 02:36 PM
Badass

cinesnow
05-30-2016, 09:51 PM
so i blew a head gasget in the avant over the weekend and decided to get the sedan running today, alomst there...

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/348DAFF0-D0C1-4C8A-B12D-58C9C5A865AC.jpg

cinesnow
06-21-2016, 11:27 AM
So the sedan is broken in and running a nice 20'iah lbs at the moment. Haven't turned on the alcohol yet but will when we go on the dynapack next month.

Decided to do the avant a nice rs6 build, more on that later - here's some recent pics:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/768607E1-7A06-4233-A3BD-53A18CBBA8CF.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/78D9CBAB-1CE5-450A-8E89-B6EF125B9022.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/897CCF3E-DF78-4B18-8132-EE4D8AEC0DD7.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/A0A4A606-FBD3-4997-86C2-8B2D04EF019B.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/C5D9F5F1-D145-4EBF-B421-DA4980422E1F.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/8739B4AC-ECA2-4129-8370-39265348C809.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/FC14499A-5BC8-4F13-A696-E4C74093E6E7.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/8F002F31-85AF-4469-9650-3682D7D3D7C0.jpg

happy2B5
06-21-2016, 12:09 PM
Gorgeous [emoji106]

88audi4000
06-29-2016, 10:53 PM
Hey Marc, I Sent you a PM. Hit me up. Its P from Murrieta and lost your number in case you're wondering who the hell this is, haha.

cinesnow
11-16-2016, 06:48 PM
So after a summer of driving here are my updates, I had to finish wiring up the new computers from Torquebyte and figure out a wiring issue. For some reason the computer diddnt like the signal from the coilpacks without icm's so i tapped an injector and problem solved. I had a driver front lower control arm bolt shear in half chewing up my fender pretty good, Broke two driver side axles, used up my clutch in 7k mi and need to replace it before i can drive the car more and finally get it dynoed. My biggest issue was the Integrated Engeneering dual pump surge tank. they use an aluminum that is about 1/8" thick and it cracked on three different welds four different times, twice at home, once at a gas station and once on the freeway making 140mph pulls a few weeks back - exploded all over the windshield... Needless to say after looking at their piece i concluded that the oscillation of the pumps and chassis, plus the stress of temp fluctuations were too much and the welds were failing leaving a fan of gas spraying right bext to my battery cutoff. I decided to cut off the part where the pumps slide in and make a new/thicker and re-enforced box, we ended up welding the inside of the tank as well.
Lastly, i cant count how many times my throttle body boot has popped off at the wirst times, driving mafless has proved dangerous. I was driving up the mountain about a month ago and felt a SMALL leak that i fixed as soon as i could pull over which took about a mile and a half going uphill. when I popped the hood the turbos were glowing pink and the driver hotside housing immediately caught fire just sitting there minding it's own buisness. needless to say, i pulled out the extinguisher and put out the hot turbo, fixed the leak and drove home. After cleaning out the engine bay I designed a clamp to keep tje situation from ever happening again.


It's almost time for some hard data which i promise to share as soon as we get there but before I do i have to get a couple of other cars done first so I'll keep you guys updated.
Until then, here's a few pics of the past few months:

Fuel spraying everywhere:
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/image_1.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/image_8.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/image_7.jpg
The new surge tank:
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/image_2.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/image_10.jpg
Throttle body boot retainer clamp:
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/image_4.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/image_5.jpg
Interference with rpm signal:
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/image_6.jpg

slowSfaux
11-16-2016, 08:22 PM
Holy crap man! It's a good thing you had a fire extinguisher on hand! Thumbs up on the update. Sidenote, will likely be purchasing your wastegate lines soon.

Seerlah
11-16-2016, 08:29 PM
The beads on that surge tank are very nicely done. You did them yourself?

hibiscusS4
11-16-2016, 08:35 PM
Good save glad to see no serious damage happend


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cinesnow
11-16-2016, 09:37 PM
Thanks for the kind words guys,
The wonderful welds you see here are a good friend of mine which iv'e had the pleasure of learning from but I wanted him to do this since it's a critical part. Pays to be prepared i suppose. To be honest I anticipated it possibly with blowoff valves and the isoprponol. Although I was pleased how easily all that powder washed and wiped right out once everything cooled off.

I almost forgot to mention, I decided since i live on a mountain range with a great range of road types I'd try a new break-in procedure using the e-boost street from turbosmart. Besides adjusting how much boost one could have, it is also possible to vary the rate at which the turbos spool, essentially moving the threshold slightly. With that in mind, I set it up with 2.4 lbs max boost and a really low "gate pressure" and low and behold it made the whole setup go from crazy k-24's to a really mild 605 type spool. As for the drive, I hit angeles crest and went over to big bear and back and compression breaked the shit out if the engine for the first 700 miles in the middle of the night. After an aggressive break-in over 2,200 miles I finally turned on the alcohol injection system. When I did, I found myself resisting the urge to do awd burnouts damn near everywhere i went. Coupled with the turning brake once your'e moving, it's quite an engaging setup. Unfortunately, I found the limit of the clutch when I was doing test runs to start logging two weeks ago and have put it in grogery mode. As soon as I put in a new clutch i'll resume my expirement wih pre turbo/throttlebody and intercoolers vs none.

Seerlah
11-17-2016, 06:12 AM
That design flaw by IE potentially could have burned your car down...or even worse (ie killed you). That is not cool at all. Tank was designed for dual 044 pumps...yet could not hold back the pressure once real world variables revealed themselves. Ever contact them to address the issue? You should be able to be reimbursed, but larger outlook is the potential harm it can cause another.

Monty23
11-17-2016, 06:31 AM
Throttle body boot retainer clamp:
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/image_4.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/image_5.jpg


Why not make the switch to a higher clamp T-bolt style clamp? I bet that would cure your issue without the need for the retainer. The larger the pipe ID, the higher force there is trying to blow the coupler off. My 3inch coupler on my 76mm RS4 TB hasn't had any issues up to 40 psi with a clampco T-bolt clamp. Just a thought.

cinesnow
03-27-2017, 11:31 PM
So where to start...
Seeing as this thread started as a build thread, it will continue to be focused on my quest to throw out everything stock or not of use on my black sedan. That said, i'm going to include a few of the other cars ive built and am currently building for myself and others here since they are all a similar flavor.
I finished the avant and sold it to a friend of mine to prepare for some changes to the project. A few months ago when the weather was slick, the car's driver rear quarter panel got whacked so I decided to take the oppurtunity to go widebody and locate some parts in europe. I will keep you guys updated on what happens to my original chassis as I go along. I recently found a white one for a deal i couldn't pass on so the plan is to build both of them. Seeing as the black is sentimental to me I will be doing something different for it when the time has come and the body work is done - which will be some time. Perhaps a direct injection vr6 or a 2.5?

The stage 3+ avant the week before i sold it:
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/584893E7-FBD9-41C2-B8B5-5AA700CAE581.jpg

Day before the quarter re-arranged itself:
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/86CD3D67-6107-43CD-8CDE-8D45DF1D1EAD.jpg

About a week after:
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/8B3C96BF-FB33-4DD3-8760-3C8B3151CE56.jpg http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/9FB40542-4289-4C49-8F16-4B094C19928E.jpg

Night I bought the pearl white car:
The good:
Biggest smurf blue sway bars ive ever seen on a b5
Stainless braided brake lines
Ebc redstuff pads
Good compression
Everything worked in the interior. Good center display, heated seats both worked, rear view mirror was good, sunroof was good.
The bad:
Bad heater core
Torn tbb, d/s bpv wasn't connected (at all)
Leak from d/s turbo, d/s turbo sounds terminal, leaky vcg's, p/s pump was cavitating because of a hard/kinked hose between the pump and res. tube.
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/3D8B235C-B5E4-4284-9C7A-1065AACAFE75.jpg

In the mean time, I'm In the process of converting a pretty clean silver tip sedan and threw some bbs rk's on it with some snow tires and then lowered it it bit after the snow wasn't so deep.
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/05AC1C01-3BEF-49D7-8D7D-88F477055C3D.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/BE1310FE-7CE0-4437-B06B-624F92DB5EDA.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/907918BE-92BB-4803-AAB5-35F8D72F807A.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/D4E4DC1E-0DDB-4BFD-BF76-453DFA5AC842.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/B1EB3803-C4E4-42E8-92CE-60619C996CBB.jpg http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/FA3F828B-989A-4015-A057-1F27106494DA.jpg
After dropping it down a bit:
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/556A13F4-59A0-4495-B51B-33962222F870.png
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/D732ADE1-EDE8-4CB6-B39E-755DF0F60D8D.png

Mobile b5 s4 snow tire delivery service?
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/A10D49E7-5D4E-49AF-9BA4-DDAD426FD470.jpg


In addition to all of that... A friend of mine wanted me to build him a version like mine without the water injection, since he is a lurker - i'm sure he'll chime in but this is his spec and a few pics of my build for him and his car. It came from wisconson and about 3 out of 5 bolts snapped on average. It was rusty, but worth saving.
Some of the goodies:
Srm h-beam rods
Stock pistons
F-21's
550's
Mafless eurodyne tune
Turbosmart blow-off valves
Xs power downpipes - custom exhaust
Paragon stainless braided brake lines, oil supply & turbo wastegate kit
Usp metal slave/clutch line
Clutchmasters fx something or another...
And a whole bunch more i've forgotten...
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/A09D1697-ED05-44ED-BE11-A425E6B97D3F.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/94DF6B7A-26FC-4A79-B6BF-E3269F57E4B5.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/3593D73E-4EF7-443B-9AF5-EF8308652EA5.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/CA1C7115-A145-45E0-921C-174F794ED3BE.jpg http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/1303311C-F222-43E5-8685-12D63B0CE7E9.jpg http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/23A2D1F2-643F-4698-BA0D-74BD9328ECC1.jpg
Breaking in the engine:
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/BABEF3FA-552B-4725-A587-21300E0EE9F0.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/02A78B3C-4B3F-4507-86EE-A48C3E23506A.jpg

Trekking out for a b5 s4 snow drive with some friends:
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/B61BAB94-DC35-4CF1-9BBB-8659DFF7F0D6.jpg http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/FA90FE09-8B7A-4CEB-86EB-1CDEE1748BFE.jpg http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/191BAB09-63A7-4999-8608-3B90D38035BA.jpg

Almost forgot, since I'll be driving a pearl car now, something had to be done for the brakes. Now i know people may think this is overkill but we have all overheated our rotors so my primary purpose for fitting these is their ability to maintain cooler temperatures and secondly their weight advantage. Ive been led to believe each of the stock rotors weigh somewhere around 25 lbs in the front and around 21 in the rear, per rotor so I thought this was an appopriate time to bring these into action: more to come soon...
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/5C31DF4B-051C-4CDF-BE54-7E69BCB11C16.jpg
Front rotor:
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/2B63C7F4-7946-43FA-8D3B-97C97EE9F789.jpg
Rear rotor:
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/3BAC0A0E-E48F-423B-8D2D-851CBD8BC9EE.jpg

cinesnow
03-27-2017, 11:48 PM
Monty,

I kept putting them on all of my friends cars and ran out haha.
I noticed my rs4 sized tbb dosen't have a ridge on the inside like the 2.7 tbb does yours?

Mark00s4
03-28-2017, 03:22 AM
are those carbon ceramic rotors?

Seerlah
03-28-2017, 04:07 AM
So about that garage, landscape, and number of Audis you crammed in there...nice [up]

Cysco abt S4
03-28-2017, 06:08 AM
No he needs some drop lights and a garage with a better driveway

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Cysco abt S4
03-28-2017, 06:09 AM
So about that garage, landscape, and number of Audis you crammed in there...nice [up]
I think he has four more on the other side of his house

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Seerlah
03-28-2017, 06:44 AM
Going to take a wild guess here and say that driveway is heated too. Good thing this guy don't get jelly [cool]...only the belly jelly [:(]

Cysco abt S4
03-28-2017, 06:59 AM
Going to take a wild guess here and say that driveway is heated too. Good thing this guy don't get jelly [cool]...only the belly jelly [:(]
It was till the new lift was installed,they drilled through the pex lines in his garage

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Cysco abt S4
03-28-2017, 07:00 AM
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Seerlah
03-28-2017, 07:31 AM
Oh...neighbors? And that def sucks about the driveway!

christianb5s4
03-28-2017, 08:31 AM
Was wondering about when you'd post a long overdue update!

cinesnow
03-28-2017, 09:30 AM
Mark00 - yes they are =)

Seerlah, house garage and driveway are heated but my blood is so thick i perfer when it's around 40* but my r compound tires and friends may differ in their opinion haha. The neighbors are far and few between so thankfully breaking bread and taking them for rides has kept the peace.

Chris, can lights will be cast into the floor pointing upwards under the lift and led strips installed when the time comes, i'll see if i can find a pic of what i'm on about later

cinesnow
03-28-2017, 09:47 AM
I'm going to organise a drive at some point, i think it would be comical to stop for lunch at my place and fill the neighborhood with b5 s4's
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/E04F2EE6-E4F1-48FE-94B2-0590C1FFED0B.jpg

Seerlah
03-28-2017, 10:01 AM
With the landscape, I would def organize something when the snow is out. Such beautiful scenery!

Monty23
03-28-2017, 10:01 AM
Monty,

I kept putting them on all of my friends cars and ran out haha.
I noticed my rs4 sized tbb dosen't have a ridge on the inside like the 2.7 tbb does yours?

I don't use a TBB, just a 3" 90 coupler. STK lyfe

cinesnow
03-28-2017, 10:25 AM
Thanks, the area is perfect for rallycross when it dumps, no one is typically out except for caltrans until the weather clears. I did organise one so that myself and a few others could rendevouz for a drive in the middle of a snow storm, suprisingly all the people I know with subarus and evos were too nervous to come play haha.

I must add, parking my black car was hard but driving that tip stage 2 sedan sideways in 6"- 4' of snow for a few months was a great compliment to night time rallies in the summer. I have owned so many cars in my life and have to say the b5 s4 is one of the best, i'll never get over this model...

Seerlah
03-28-2017, 11:03 AM
It's going down as a classic, like the E36 M3.

Tiluleshpingen
03-28-2017, 03:49 PM
dude how rich are you[confused]

cinesnow
03-28-2017, 05:56 PM
I'm just a car dealier who likes to drive so i'm poor in cash and rich in cars, haha
But seriously, it takes a certain amount of money to build these things and the b5 is too new to be old and too old to be new, cost effective racing imo. The white car cost me 1300 bucks so after i sell the engine it'll be okay to cut up an s4 that needs a heater core =)

Tiluleshpingen
03-29-2017, 07:34 AM
what happened to the allroad?

Cysco abt S4
03-29-2017, 07:47 AM
what happened to the allroad?
That's sitting on the other side of his house

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cinesnow
03-29-2017, 08:24 AM
Tilu, which allroad are you referring to? There is a green six speed, a green tip and a black tip

cinesnow
03-29-2017, 08:33 AM
There was a grey 4.2 as well but it was stolen...

cinesnow
03-30-2017, 11:19 AM
About the driveway, there is a technique ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0gcS8RCmLQ&feature=em-upload_owner

Alittle video of the car running:
https://youtu.be/Tv494KQGczQ

cinesnow
03-30-2017, 07:40 PM
This showed up this evening:
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/70727138-4D43-4573-B6F3-8F7D20BBC665.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/68A48491-E9FE-4C83-9715-638BEBEF4919.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/769934FF-36EE-489A-BE8B-941BDC6B0B7D.jpg

Never found one of these in an s4...
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/73D050D1-CBE9-4698-B823-639F79A0264B.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/D162B950-9884-474E-B990-D64B9E9D029D.jpg

Anyone ever seen these sway bars before?
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/4A6AF481-1DF3-4B60-BED5-A54B08EDEABA.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/1A523EE3-84BF-4745-A9DE-C2EF951BA3CD.jpg

Cysco abt S4
03-30-2017, 08:13 PM
Old hochkins H sport they where blue now black

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Tiluleshpingen
03-31-2017, 01:36 PM
The allroad that this thread began with

happy2B5
03-31-2017, 07:31 PM
Old hochkins H sport they where blue now black

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cinesnow
04-01-2017, 12:24 PM
>cooler main page pic test<
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/8739B4AC-ECA2-4129-8370-39265348C809.jpg

It's been hibernating, i'm getting ready to send the gearbox out for a rebuild and have the low range gear reduction added:
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/11F0CBC0-CC25-4FAD-97B8-BA007C061B69.jpg

Got the pearl car running yesterday, cleaned up pretty well:
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/2F626FCA-8694-466F-BBA4-295468CBF802.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/4DA2CE6F-FFB6-4778-899C-F819D29B4DCE.jpg

landfill
04-02-2017, 09:37 PM
My dream driveway lol

cinesnow
04-03-2017, 02:59 PM
Thanks, it's a good place to work and chill - in no paticular order of course =)

Here's a snippet of some things to come:
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/D703B58E-609E-4BFE-9F17-504BA69A665E.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/Cinesnow_/899D9825-C346-4DAC-8930-84CFD65E92FE.jpg

Scotty@Advanced
04-05-2017, 04:45 AM
Pics don't appear to work

Cysco abt S4
04-05-2017, 04:47 AM
They sure don't

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fR3ZNO
04-05-2017, 05:24 AM
They're all on his photobucket. Just go to the link when you quote the post.

Cysco abt S4
04-05-2017, 06:57 AM
Or just go to his house

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cinesnow
04-05-2017, 12:56 PM
please don't come, i'll give you guys more pics i swear ;)
Seriously though, message me before you do so i'm home and not on a drive or something.


peek of the rears:
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170405/344a0c02916dbf2a19deab0ee917fafb.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170405/09e0d7a651772e5e688caf3b2bae93a8.jpg


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Trb1
04-05-2017, 01:13 PM
Panamera carbon ceramics?

cinesnow
04-05-2017, 01:30 PM
turbo/gt2 pccb's but by my notes say that 996 turbo/gt2 997.1 gt3/rs, 987 cayman and the b7 rs4 (to name a few) could have had these exact calipers and rotors as options. rotors can be found for less than $1000 a peice if you are willing to wait for the deals...
later in the week i'll have new hats and adapter brackets made for them.


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