Considering a change to the S6 (C7)

[hgparrish]

Well its been two years on the B8 S4 - APR Stage 2+, JHM Short Shifter, and LOVE this car, but I'm getting used to the power and KNOW I dont have anywhere close to the fastest sedan on the road anymore............A big reason I love my S4 is that it has 6MT, and I really hate the idea of Paddle Shifters.............Dont see how I can ever drop the hammer from 6th to 3d gear with paddle shifters. But like it or not the Manual Transmission is going by the wayside, and Paddle Shifters are the future.

In the past two years a lot of 500+ whp 4 door sedans have hit the market, It's awesome just how many options there are now. I just spent a week test driving and pricing the big boys - Audi S6, S7 / BMW 550i and M5 / Merc C63 and E63 / and the CTS-V. To clarify the big boys I can afford - Minus the M5 and E63.

I have to say that the S6 seems to be the most bang for the buck and I'd love some input from anyone who has put the APR Stage 1 Flash on a 2013+ S6 (C7). It would appear on paper that this puts the S6 into complete Beast mode - 560 whp / 580 wtq on 93Oct Tune, with just an ECU flash. This is also the de-tuned engine that is in both the S8 and Bentley Continental. I Have to say even in Stock Mode the Audi S6 felt faster than my B8 S4 but a much softer ride, and not as fun to drive. I'm hoping the APR Tune punches that impression in the throat.

I'm really on the fence about walking from my S4 6MT, if the Tuned S6 is still a Big / Soft ride after the ECU Flash. I'd hate to sell my S4 and be disappointed with the Tuned S6, That would SUCK. I'm also not willing to go Stage 3 on the B8 S4................Sinking another $10-15K in the S4 just seems silly since it will likely not put the car much above 500 whp. Also just feels silly to put $75 - $80K into a $55K car. To me Stage 3 makes no sense to invest that much, and if I blow the engine its CLEARLY on me. Makes sense to go to an engine platform 4.0 V8TT, that is designed for 500+ whp. An yes I've seen the Video of the Stage 2+ B8 S4 on Meth stomping the Stock S6.............I'm never adding Meth, NOS to my S4 so that video means nothing to me.

Does anyone have a C7 S6 with the APR Stage 1 ECU Flash that can comment? Even better someone who has / has had a Full Stage 2+ B8 S4 as well?

[yeps]

I've had a ride in what I believe was an APR tuned S6 with an exhaust and daily drive a stgII S4. The S6 is a monster and you cannot beat the sound of the V8 with an aftermarket exhaust. With that said its a totally different feel of a car... And the advice I think you'll hear the most is go test drive one and see how it fits what you're looking for. I'm also in love with manual gearboxes and agree with your sentiment but you need to consider how much better the DSG gearbox will handle that power with immaculate shifts. anyway get to test driving! Ill try and post a video of the S6 later.

Edit: what I mean by test drive is I'm sure you could find a member local to you on the S6 sub forum with a tune that would give ya a ride.

[boostfiend77]

Well its been two years on the B8 S4 - APR Stage 2+, JHM Short Shifter, and LOVE this car, but I'm getting used to the power and KNOW I dont have anywhere close to the fastest sedan on the road anymore............A big reason I love my S4 is that it has 6MT, and I really hate the idea of Paddle Shifters.............Dont see how I can ever drop the hammer from 6th to 3d gear with paddle shifters. But like it or not the Manual Transmission is going by the wayside, and Paddle Shifters are the future.

In the past two years a lot of 500+ whp 4 door sedans have hit the market, It's awesome just how many options there are now. I just spent a week test driving and pricing the big boys - Audi S6, S7 / BMW 550i and M5 / Merc C63 and E63 / and the CTS-V. To clarify the big boys I can afford - Minus the M5 and E63.

I have to say that the S6 seems to be the most bang for the buck and I'd love some input from anyone who has put the APR Stage 1 Flash on a 2013+ S6 (C7). It would appear on paper that this puts the S6 into complete Beast mode - 560 whp / 580 wtq on 93Oct Tune, with just an ECU flash. This is also the de-tuned engine that is in both the S8 and Bentley Continental. I Have to say even in Stock Mode the Audi S6 felt faster than my B8 S4 but a much softer ride, and not as fun to drive. I'm hoping the APR Tune punches that impression in the throat.

I'm really on the fence about walking from my S4 6MT, if the Tuned S6 is still a Big / Soft ride after the ECU Flash. I'd hate to sell my S4 and be disappointed with the Tuned S6, That would SUCK. I'm also not willing to go Stage 3 on the B8 S4................Sinking another $10-15K in the S4 just seems silly since it will likely not put the car much above 500 whp. Also just feels silly to put $75 - $80K into a $55K car. To me Stage 3 makes no sense to invest that much, and if I blow the engine its CLEARLY on me. Makes sense to go to an engine platform 4.0 V8TT, that is designed for 500+ whp. An yes I've seen the Video of the Stage 2+ B8 S4 on Meth stomping the Stock S6.............I'm never adding Meth, NOS to my S4 so that video means nothing to me.

Does anyone have a C7 S6 with the APR Stage 1 ECU Flash that can comment? Even better someone who has / has had a Full Stage 2+ B8 S4 as well?

Since you don't want to go stage 3 you don't really a choice but too upgrade. All the cars you mention will not feel soft but you can definitely feel their weight slide around they are bigger cars. What did you think of the test drives? Do you think you could live with a DSG trans that would simplify it? Personally I'd keep the stg 2+ 6mt S4 if you really want a manual car because your choices are practically none in new cars other than the CTS-V.

If you just want a fast straight line car/highway car the the C63 Performance Package, M5, CTS-V are all quite similar and run close to 12 flat and highway kings, the S6 is a slower from highway roll ons but it holds it on 1/4 and from a stop and is more useable because of AWD for multiple seasons each car has it's ups and downs. That said your car right now must be pretty close to on par with those 1/4 mile wise I'd assume you stg 2+ car is very close to 12 flat on a perfect run.

An ECU flash will have no change on the S6 dynamics if it feels big and soft too it will still feel so after a tune just with alot more power. If all you want to know is if a stg1 S6 will take an S4 stg2+ it will rather easily chipped S6s are making stupid power on stg 1s and going mid 11s with just stg 1 apr flashes that takes the fastest stg2+ S4s on race gas tunes.

[Madbusy168]

Haha, Im on the same boat, I have a 5 month old 2013 S4 that Im kinda itching to trade in for a S6!! I've come to realize that "we" like the torque and power and to be honest, the handling is just a bonus as long as its not ridiculously sloppy which I doubt the S6 is.. I have a Stasis Tune and intake and Ala Kruez on my car. I also have a set of H&R oe sport spring waiting to be installed. As much as I want a S6, I am not financially stable enough to get one yet. $80k is not an amount that I can't afford to finance but there has to be considerations. I am a manual driver myself but my S4 is a Dsg, test drove both before I bought the car and the dsg really did it. Like others have said, go test drive the S6 at the dealership, if your gonna like the way it drives stock, Im gonna guarantee that another extra 100hp with a tune will put a bigger grin on your face... But I can guarantee you, once you go test drive,,,, you will want the car, thats why I dont dare to go test drive one.. lol

[s4buckeye]

Well its been two years on the B8 S4 - APR Stage 2+, JHM Short Shifter, and LOVE this car, but I'm getting used to the power and KNOW I dont have anywhere close to the fastest sedan on the road anymore.....

Do you think you had the fastest sedan on the road two years ago up until recently?

Huh?

[CreoSTi]

An ECU flash will have no change on the S6 dynamics if it feels big and soft too it will still feel so after a tune just with alot more power.

+1

[Wusty]

It's not just about power my man. I've test driven the S6 twice lately. It's a straight line beast and extremely comfortable. It's not a really "fun" car to drive. It's pretty mushy, floaty, and has quite a bit of body roll. It's not nearly as fun of a car to drive and especially if the S4 has suspension upgrades. The S6 IMHO is a touring car, someone who needs a bigger car & cruises on the freeway 90% of the time. It's a good sized car. If your wanting to zip around and drive on the city roads more than the freeway the S6 is not as fun of a car to drive.

[s4buckeye]

It's not just about power my man. I've test driven the S6 twice lately. It's a straight line beast and extremely comfortable. It's not a really "fun" car to drive. It's pretty mushy, floaty, and has quite a bit of body roll. It's not nearly as fun of a car to drive and especially if the S4 has suspension upgrades. The S6 IMHO is a touring car, someone who needs a bigger car & cruises on the freeway 90% of the time. It's a good sized car. If your wanting to zip around and drive on the city roads more than the freeway the S6 is not as fun of a car to drive.

Agreed. I found this to be the case when I drove the S6 and E63. Nice and fast, but lots 'o roll and float.

[LINDW4LL]

The S4 will always be more nimble than the S6 since it's 300lbs lighter. That said, I'm sure if you get the upgraded StaSiS sway bar it will be close to that of the S4. If you're not tracking the car I don't think it will be an issue...

The S6 (once tuned) will obliterate the S4 in a straight line obviously, the acceleration is nutty. I would go for it!

[Leor604]

I personally would get bored of an automatic car with "lots 'o roll and float". You'll get used to the straight line power very quickly and then what are you left with? While the S4 is not nimble in comparison to a BRZ, Elise or Miata, with a few hundred bucks in suspension upgrades it is still plenty fun in the twisties and on the track, and the MT adds to that fun. Two different cars for two different purposes.

B9 (supposedly MUCH lighter) is not that far away. If they keep the power and lose some weight, performance should be pretty good. Also still a chance there may be an MT (crosses fingers).

[Madbusy168]

All you guys talk like you can't mod the S6 suspension... Whole bunch of biased people here.. If the S4 is so great in handling, why are so many of you guys putting on swaybars, end links, lowering suspension, alu kreuz ? Obviously the car doesn't handle as well as some of you want, cause so much modification is necessary to "perfect" the handling... So my question now is, the same cant be said and done o the S6 to "perfect" it's handling?

[rs4dreams]

All you guys talk like you can't mod the S6 suspension... Whole bunch of biased people here.. If the S4 is so great in handling, why are so many of you guys putting on swaybars, end links, lowering suspension, alu kreuz ? Obviously the car doesn't handle as well as some of you want, cause so much modification is necessary to "perfect" the handling... So my question now is, the same cant be said and done o the S6 to "perfect" it's handling?

It can, but you're starting with a larger, heavier car so given the same mods, the S4 should handle better. I would really like to test drive the RS7 (with normal springs/dampers, not the air suspension) to see what that feels like.

[S4morris]

I love the S6, might be my next move a year or two from now, but I've always had a soft spot for M5's too.

[Wusty]

All you guys talk like you can't mod the S6 suspension... Whole bunch of biased people here.. If the S4 is so great in handling, why are so many of you guys putting on swaybars, end links, lowering suspension, alu kreuz ? Obviously the car doesn't handle as well as some of you want, cause so much modification is necessary to "perfect" the handling... So my question now is, the same cant be said and done o the S6 to "perfect" it's handling?

Do you have seat time behind a new S6? You've got to drive them to know if it's your style. It doesn't have the fun factor & driving experience that the S4 has even comparing stock to stock. Then throw springs, sways, Alu Kreuz and you just can't even compare them with respect to handling and steering response. The S6 has an expensive adjustable air suspension. It's not as easy as "throwing some springs or coil overs" on it. Also, no one really make sways, etc. Google it & you won't find jack. Supposedly Stasis will do a one off rear sway but that's all I could find in my research & trolling on the S6 forum.

[AudiB8S4]

All you guys talk like you can't mod the S6 suspension... Whole bunch of biased people here.. If the S4 is so great in handling, why are so many of you guys putting on swaybars, end links, lowering suspension, alu kreuz ? Obviously the car doesn't handle as well as some of you want, cause so much modification is necessary to "perfect" the handling... So my question now is, the same cant be said and done o the S6 to "perfect" it's handling?

Biased people? In the chariot section? No way! That's just not possible. [:D] don't you know the S4 is the greatest car on earth? S6? It's not even in the same league as the S4. Anyone who thinks they are upgrading from 4 to a 6 has got to be mistaken since that is definitely a downgrade. M3 or C63? Brotha' please! Don't even try to bring those pieces of shit into the mix.

[ebi718]

^^ I see what you did here..LOL. :D

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[RedSox S315]

I love the S6, might be my next move a year or two from now, but I've always had a soft spot for M5's too.
This.

[s4buckeye]

Biased people? In the chariot section? No way! That's just not possible. [:D] don't you know the S4 is the greatest car on earth? S6? It's not even in the same league as the S4. Anyone who thinks they are upgrading from 4 to a 6 has got to be mistaken since that is definitely a downgrade. M3 or C63? Brotha' please! Don't even try to bring those pieces of shit into the mix.

Lol, so true.



All you guys talk like you can't mod the S6 suspension... Whole bunch of biased people here.. If the S4 is so great in handling, why are so many of you guys putting on swaybars, end links, lowering suspension, alu kreuz ? Obviously the car doesn't handle as well as some of you want, cause so much modification is necessary to "perfect" the handling... So my question now is, the same cant be said and done o the S6 to "perfect" it's handling?

I think even if there were vendors to mod that platform, you would still not be able to overcome physics as it is a bigger, heavier and wider car. The other issue is that the buying segment that buys an S6 is not going to mod it with the same fervor that the S4 crowd does, and therefore you will see far less in the way of mods for it.

As for the S4 and the upgrades on handling I find it strange that so many people spend so much on the handling upgrades and probably less than 10% of them actually use even half of the capability of the mods - real world or track.

[gendry]

I am def part of that 90% that don't really use half the capability. That said, the grand or so spent on the ECC goodies makes a noticeable difference on simple thing like hard onramp turning. Spend a couple more % of what you paid for the car and the handling goes noticeably from buick like some respects (floating/lean in on a turn) to more of a sports car. Perhaps the rear sways are all I really needed, but it was a great upgrade and would have been a no brainer as an add on factory option.


Lol, so true.




I think even if there were vendors to mod that platform, you would still not be able to overcome physics as it is a bigger, heavier and wider car. The other issue is that the buying segment that buys an S6 is not going to mod it with the same fervor that the S4 crowd does, and therefore you will see far less in the way of mods for it.

As for the S4 and the upgrades on handling I find it strange that so many people spend so much on the handling upgrades and probably less than 10% of them actually use even half of the capability of the mods - real world or track.

[wwhan]

If only there was a smaller S6. If it was 10%-20% lighter, it would be wonderful.

The S6 has the TT V8, air suspension, heads up display option & LED headlights option.

Some of the S4 handling modification interest is for driving feel (except for the people addicted to the track).

Look how many people get the larger rim flat bottom steering wheel, which is mostly about driving feel, not so much about driving always at the limits. The steering wheel is always in one's hands, when driving.

[s4buckeye]

I don't disagree with modding the suspension/handling for performance or feel. When I had my S4 I did exactly that for both a pounding on the track and the street.

My point was as to the comments that the S6 will not handle like an S4. Since (other than for feel) so many people mod the suspension/handling components on the S4 yet do not really use those capabilities then why would you bash the S6 for being less than the modded S4 in those areas?

[AudiB8S4]

I don't disagree with modding the suspension/handling for performance or feel. When I had my S4 I did exactly that for both a pounding on the track and the street.

My point was as to the comments that the S6 will not handle like an S4. Since (other than for feel) so many people mod the suspension/handling components on the S4 yet do not really use those capabilities then why would you bash the S6 for being less than the modded S4 in those areas?

Short answer: because it's not an S4.
Long answer: see our list we created a month ago about the B8 S4 forum.

[Wusty]

I'm telling y'all, B8.5 RS4 with the 4.0T FTW!!!!!! That is the car, only problem is....it doesn't exist. I was ready to pull the trigger on the S6 about 3 weeks ago, I thought it was my destiny :-) After 2 test drives by myself driving it how I would drive it I just didn't have as much fun as in my S4. It's to big, it's a cruising car.......sit back relax......let the air suspension do it's thing while you're cruising at 80 on the freeway like it ain't no thing......punch it to pass people every once in a while and it rockets past anything in no time but for someone who spends most of there time on the back roads, city streets, etc. the S6 isn't the choice, it's to big & heavy and not exciting to drive in those environments. What I learned is just because a car costs more and is a higher number in the Audi family (S6 vs S4) doesn't mean it's the bomb dot com & an upgrade, it's all about your driving style & preferences. I like to be able to throw my cars around & the S6 didn't provide that for me :-)

[jfabes]

pretty sure none of those cars you listed have 500+ whp stock and none of them are comparable in price to the S4 new-to-new. and your s4 is not worth $55k any more. they are also larger than the s4 (except for the c63) and aim for a different demographic in a higher income bracket, so i'm not sure the relavance of the comparison. if you went stg 3, i'm guessing it WOULD put it in the same ballpark as any of those cars (especially because its lighter) and you would still have money in your pocket, better handling and your 6mt. So this can't be all about straight line acceleration. now, if you like some of the fancy technology beind those higher end more expensive cars, and like the extra space, and the v8, than that's a different story. there are a few reviews on here from stg2+ to S6 owners, fonzi and verybadman come to mind.

[Madbusy168]

I think we all need to upgrade to the upcoming S3, according to you guys, lightweight is the King! The new Chariot is going to be the S3, S4 is gonna be like a porker now.. haha

[Mops@Nemesis]

Scoop an RS5 and S6 and call it a day. Best of both worlds. You're welcome. But yea, I too love the 6. Just not sure I am ready for extra size. I really like smaller cars best. And hell, the 4's and 5's are already overweight, you just dont feel it as much as you would in the 6.

[Mops@Nemesis]

Already is a porker. Ssssssshhhhhhhhhhhh, you are gonna upset some people. *Whispering* They think its a race car;)

[VeryBadman]

pretty sure none of those cars you listed have 500+ whp stock and none of them are comparable in price to the S4 new-to-new. and your s4 is not worth $55k any more. they are also larger than the s4 (except for the c63) and aim for a different demographic in a higher income bracket, so i'm not sure the relavance of the comparison. if you went stg 3, i'm guessing it WOULD put it in the same ballpark as any of those cars (especially because its lighter) and you would still have money in your pocket, better handling and your 6mt. So this can't be all about straight line acceleration. now, if you like some of the fancy technology beind those higher end more expensive cars, and like the extra space, and the v8, than that's a different story. there are a few reviews on here from stg2+ to S6 owners, fonzi and verybadman come to mind.

Since I was refered, I would chime in a bit although I feel this thread is going out of hand and it's almost pointless to say anything. First of all, my S4 was bone stock for both suspension and engine so S6 is much faster in straight line. Handling wise, S6 surely feels softer than S4 and that's how it should be. It's a luxury mid-size sedan so you must be mad to expect it to feel rough and hard like S4. I would be rather bashing it if it feels as hard as S4. However, it can take the corner very well and I don't think stock to stock it's any worse than S4 as fas as I would go in both car. I just hate being an attention from squeezing the tires through the corner. BTW, once I got used to the new dimensions, I can weave in and out the traffic with S6 with no issue whether freeway or city. Seriously, you have to question your driving skill if that not much bigger size makes you feel it's much difficult to do the same thing like the smaller car.

All in all, you don't have to worry that you are going to get a worse handling car because even if it is, there is much higher chance that you wouldn't get to the point to see the difference and even when you think you get to that point, it's still much higher chance that it's just your imagination. However, the smoothness and comfort are something you can clearly perceive right away in S6 that they are much better in S6 but if you love your car to be rough and love to feel road condition, S6 is not a car for you. For me, I'm too tired of those and I'm not driving like a maniac most of the time anyway so S6 is a much better car to my need.

P.S. If you love to stomp your gas, weave through the traffic, and take a hard turn at the corner 80% of the time, you should not complain about being targeted by the cops. Your driving style is asking for trouble to begin with.

[riegeraudi]

Yes it is faster but also bigger driving. I was in the same boat but decided to keep the S4 and money saved on upgrading would be better used in buying a slightly used Cayman. Also in my opinion I wouldn't tune a S6 with DSG. Reason is Audi used the 8speed ZF auto for a reason and the main reason was because the DSG was past it's limits with the V8 TT of the S8. So the APR tune would undoubtedly knock on this same door. This is not to say the S6 isn't an amazing car because it is but it really depends on what you are looking for.

[CreoSTi]

Also in my opinion I wouldn't tune a S6 with DSG. Reason is Audi used the 8speed ZF auto for a reason and the main reason was because the DSG was past it's limits with the V8 TT of the S8. So the APR tune would undoubtedly knock on this same door.

Has this been confirmed? I recall speculation that the transmission choice might have also been due to emissions.

With the way APR tests their tunes/cars, I'm not overly concerned with the it on the S6...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXdT4JUae8U&feature=player_embedded

[jfabes]

Since I was refered, I would chime in a bit although I feel this thread is going out of hand and it's almost pointless to say anything. First of all, my S4 was bone stock for both suspension and engine so S6 is much faster in straight line. Handling wise, S6 surely feels softer than S4 and that's how it should be. It's a luxury mid-size sedan so you must be mad to expect it to feel rough and hard like S4. I would be rather bashing it if it feels as hard as S4. However, it can take the corner very well and I don't think stock to stock it's any worse than S4 as fas as I would go in both car. I just hate being an attention from squeezing the tires through the corner. BTW, once I got used to the new dimensions, I can weave in and out the traffic with S6 with no issue whether freeway or city. Seriously, you have to question your driving skill if that not much bigger size makes you feel it's much difficult to do the same thing like the smaller car.

All in all, you don't have to worry that you are going to get a worse handling car because even if it is, there is much higher chance that you wouldn't get to the point to see the difference and even when you think you get to that point, it's still much higher chance that it's just your imagination. However, the smoothness and comfort are something you can clearly perceive right away in S6 that they are much better in S6 but if you love your car to be rough and love to feel road condition, S6 is not a car for you. For me, I'm too tired of those and I'm not driving like a maniac most of the time anyway so S6 is a much better car to my need.

P.S. If you love to stomp your gas, weave through the traffic, and take a hard turn at the corner 80% of the time, you should not complain about being targeted by the cops. Your driving style is asking for trouble to begin with.

sorry man, i thought you were stg2+ for some reason. my bad. anyway, hope you didn't mind me name dropping, just trying to help the OP. and fwiw, i absolutely love the s6, it's on my short list for next year...i'm jealous you have one already ;)

[VeryBadman]

sorry man, i thought you were stg2+ for some reason. my bad. anyway, hope you didn't mind me name dropping, just trying to help the OP. and fwiw, i absolutely love the s6, it's on my short list for next year...i'm jealous you have one already ;)

No, I don't mind at all. Hope you will join me soon. [:)]

[Wusty]

Yes it is faster but also bigger driving. I was in the same boat but decided to keep the S4 and money saved on upgrading would be better used in buying a slightly used Cayman. Also in my opinion I wouldn't tune a S6 with DSG. Reason is Audi used the 8speed ZF auto for a reason and the main reason was because the DSG was past it's limits with the V8 TT of the S8. So the APR tune would undoubtedly knock on this same door. This is not to say the S6 isn't an amazing car because it is but it really depends on what you are looking for.


Has this been confirmed? I recall speculation that the transmission choice might have also been due to emissions.

With the way APR tests their tunes/cars, I'm not overly concerned with the it on the S6...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXdT4JUae8U&feature=player_embedded

I don't think this has been confirmed but it seems to make sense, right? Logically it doesn't make sense for Audi to give the 8 speed and not DSG to the S8? Right? Just speculation but good speculation at that. Theirs got to be a reason.

[rs4dreams]

I don't think this has been confirmed but it seems to make sense, right? Logically it doesn't make sense for Audi to give the 8 speed and not DSG to the S8? Right? Just speculation but good speculation at that. Theirs got to be a reason.

The S8 targets an audience that cares more about luxury than performance/driver involvement relative to the S6/7. While the current incarnations of the DSG are quite smooth, the ZF 8 speed is undoubtedly smoother around town.

[CreoSTi]

I don't think this has been confirmed but it seems to make sense, right? Logically it doesn't make sense for Audi to give the 8 speed and not DSG to the S8? Right? Just speculation but good speculation at that. Theirs got to be a reason.

It makes sense that there can be more than one reason for an auto manufacturer to use a specific gearbox in a specific car. Power delivery, emissions, driveability, weight, cost, etc. in additional to any power limitations.

If you look at the 6-speed DSG gearbox, the torque ratings are limited to around 350Nm. However, as APR and other tuners have shown, big turbo kits can produce in excess of 500Nm without issue.

Here's a little more insight from Arin as to their testing/programming for the S6/S7 ECU upgrade;

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/524350-APR-Tuned-Audi-S7-4-0-TFSI-Acceleration-Video?p=8423307&viewfull=1#post8423307

Again, I'm not that concerned with the APR tune (which I'll be going with after my first service). If someone is, then obviously they should keep their car stock. [:)]

[OEMplus.com]

I wouldn't mind an S6 or an S7!

The TT V8 is a work of art.

Joe@OEMplus

[AudiB8S4]

The S8 targets an audience that cares more about luxury than performance/driver involvement relative to the S6/7. While the current incarnations of the DSG are quite smooth, the ZF 8 speed is undoubtedly smoother around town.

I am beginning to realize that the S4 targets an audience that cares more about being douchebags. Yes boys, you all have your opinions about your little race car blah blah blah... But do you have to be such dicks about it?

[VeryBadman]

I am beginning to realize that the S4 targets an audience that cares more about being douchebags. Yes boys, you all have your opinions about your little race car blah blah blah... But do you have to be such dicks about it?

This is gonna heat up this thread for real.

[LakeShow]

One of the main reasons that makes the S4 so great and quick is plainly the transmission. I'm in love with the dual clutch. I've driven the 8-speed S8, it's fast but not on par with the DSG. It really does make a difference, depends what your looking for though. S6 is a great car regardless, V8T is a beast.

[AudiB8S4]

This is gonna heat up this thread for real.

Bulldog.

[Dr Chill]

It's not just about power my man. I've test driven the S6 twice lately. It's a straight line beast and extremely comfortable. It's not a really "fun" car to drive. It's pretty mushy, floaty, and has quite a bit of body roll. It's not nearly as fun of a car to drive and especially if the S4 has suspension upgrades. The S6 IMHO is a touring car, someone who needs a bigger car & cruises on the freeway 90% of the time. It's a good sized car. If your wanting to zip around and drive on the city roads more than the freeway the S6 is not as fun of a car to drive.

I have both and this post hits the nail right on the head.

[hgparrish]

Do you think you had the fastest sedan on the road two years ago up until recently?

Huh?

No.................While the S4 has never been the fastest sedan, with a Full Stage 2+ is definitely up there. There were several sedans that were faster in 2011, and many more now, that's why I'm considering the change. I have test driven the S6 and was pretty impressed with it. My ONLY apprehension is giving up the 6MT.

[s4buckeye]

No.................While the S4 has never been the fastest sedan, with a Full Stage 2+ is definitely up there. There were several sedans that were faster in 2011, and many more now, that's why I'm considering the change. I have test driven the S6 and was pretty impressed with it. My ONLY apprehension is giving up the 6MT.

Understood, but with the exception of the new M3/M4 and CTS-V, soon you won't be getting a MT in any sedan.

[hgparrish]

In the past two years a lot of 500+ whp 4 door sedans have hit the market, It's awesome just how many options there are now. I just spent a week test driving and pricing the big boys - Audi S6, S7 / BMW 550i and M5 / Merc C63 and E63 / and the CTS-V. To clarify the big boys I can afford - Minus the M5 and E63.

Correction.............Crank HP, not whp (although APR litters their specs as awhp and awtq). I know you have to account for 15% (RWD) - 20% (AWD) loss to the wheels on average.

[hgparrish]

Understood, but with the exception of the new M3/M4 and CTS-V, soon you won't be getting a MT in any sedan.

Yep thats an unfortunate reality.

I know the DSG's and Paddle Shifters out perform my shifting, and will perform near flawlessly in straight line acceleration...............However I like the feel of Manual Stick Shifts. With a Manual I can select the gear I want, when I want it (Dropping from 6th to 3rd, dropping to 2nd or 3rd to corner or accelerate out of a corner). I also just feel fricken clumsy with paddle shifters, and feel like I have to look at the digital display to figure out which gear I'm in. I'm often struggling to use the paddle shifters in manual mode. Automatic DSG shifting, at least in a B8 S4's I test drove shifted prematurely, and took over when I didn't want it to, thats ultimately why I chose the 6MT.

[VeryBadman]

Understood, but with the exception of the new M3/M4 and CTS-V, soon you won't be getting a MT in any sedan.

I would say soon you won't be getting an MT in any performance sedans at all. Unless, well you are willing to drive a Corolla or Yaris.

[AudiB8S4]

I think we all need to upgrade to the upcoming S3, according to you guys, lightweight is the King! The new Chariot is going to be the S3, S4 is gonna be like a porker now.. haha

Well, I guess there will be another car worse than a chariot then. S3, 6, or 8? There will ALWAYS be something wrong with those cars as compared to the chariot. S3 will be too small, S6 too big, and S8 is a giant cruise ship! I don't know why people even waste their time with these S6 vs. S4 threads. The chariot will always be king! Oh, but it has to be a TUNED chariot, i.e. you have to dump money into it and lose your warranty. It just wouldn't be fair to compare a stock chariot to others (except maybe a Yaris). It's almost like saying my girlfriend with a boob job has bigger boobs than yours! Well shit, who's to say yours can't get one either?
You chariot worshippers just need to get over yourselves. The S4 is NOT a race car. If it were such a great car you wouldn't dump you so much money into it with your tunes/chips or whatever the heck you call them, sways, Alu Kreuz blah blah blah! Can you really even tell the difference? Do you really think that your senses are so keen as to be able to differentiate a 4.4 sec. 0-60 time vs. 4.0? (Feel free to change those numbers a bit). Give me a break people! A Subaru can probably get those same times---with a TUNE of course!

Signed,
Bulldog.

[Wusty]

Well, I guess there will be another car worse than a chariot then. S3, 6, or 8? There will ALWAYS be something wrong with those cars as compared to the chariot.

After I read to this point in your post I stopped reading. [:D] Yo but in all seriousness, it's not about saying the Chariot is the one & only. We're not trying to be douches. People need to take a chill pill. It all boils down to driving habits. If you want an Audi that has 4 doors, mid sized, great handling, great power & good comfort the S4 is it. If you want all of those things but a smaller car, the S3 will be it. If you want all of those things with a bit less handling precision, bigger with more body roll but you cruise more so that doesn't really matter....the S6 is your car. Different strokes for different folks but the S4 is probably the best blend of them all. Why do you think it's called the chariot? Get a grip bro.

[AudiB8S4]

After I read to this point in your post I stopped reading. [:D] Yo but in all seriousness, it's not about saying the Chariot is the one & only. We're not trying to be douches. People need to take a chill pill. It all boils down to driving habits. If you want an Audi that has 4 doors, mid sized, great handling, great power & good comfort the S4 is it. If you want all of those things but a smaller car, the S3 will be it. If you want all of those things with a bit less handling precision, bigger with more body roll but you cruise more so that doesn't really matter....the S6 is your car. Different strokes for different folks but the S4 is probably the best blend of them all. Why do you think it's called the chariot? Get a grip bro.

Unfortunately, not all chariot worshippers are as sensible as you. That's a great explanation. We both know that the others here are NOT like you. Look at Pandi's Yaris thread. Most people gave him shit because they thought he had traded his chariot for a Yaris to save money. Now he doesn't want any part of the Chariot forum even though he owns one. What would have been wrong with that anyway if he really bought a Yaris? I'm gripping, bro! [:D]

[s4buckeye]

Saw this modded S4 outside the restaurant last night. Definitely Stage II+

http://www.touregypt.net/images/touregypt/chariot19.jpg

[Leor604]

Nice, but he had to remove the fenders to rock those zero offset 36's without rubbing.


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[s4buckeye]

Nice, but he had to remove the fenders to rock those zero offset 36's without rubbing.

Yes, I wanted to tell the driver but the cheetah would not let me get close enough.

[VeryBadman]

Yes, I wanted to tell the driver but the cheetah would not let me get close enough.

That looks like a horse to me. Are you sure that you didn't drink too much last night?


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[s4buckeye]

That looks like a horse to me. Are you sure that you didn't drink too much last night?

indeed I did, but there is a 'lil cheetah way down low if you look closely

[lapisia]

indeed I did, but there is a 'lil cheetah way down low if you look closely

That's the supercharged v6 brother, the fastest engine in the worldddd

[VeryBadman]

indeed I did, but there is a 'lil cheetah way down low if you look closely

Looks more like a bob cat at best to me. lol


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[AudiB8S4]

Looks more like a bob cat at best to me. lol


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It's an S3 in camouflage!

[s4buckeye]

That's the supercharged v6 brother, the fastest engine in the worldddd

you are correct, Sir! I heard Formula One was mandating the Chariot for all teams in 2015.