CPO S4 local to me

[BAHNSTORMER]

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=53189&endYear=2011&listingType=used&ownerId=71417&listingTypes=used&sellerTypes=d&sellerType=d&maxPrice=43000&listingId=352899425&mmt=%5BAUDI%5BS4%5B%5D%5D%5B%5D%5D&modelCode1=S4&startYear=2010&makeCode1=AUDI&maxMileage=45000&searchRadius=300&minPrice=32000

My current DD is a 2010 A5 Prestige 3.2, but I miss having an S-car. My local dealer has this CPO 2011 PP for sale and it has everything I want, plus the original warranty doesn't expire until 6/15/2015 and then the 24 month CPO warranty starts after that, so 46 months of warranty. The 35K maintenance has been done. I'm sure I can get them under $40K. Decent deal?

[JeffK (B6S4)]

If you can get them under $40k, then yes . . . decent deal. I just picked up a CPOed 2010 S4 Prestige with 28k miles on it for a shade over $38k.

[integroid]

I got mine earlier this year for around $37k CPO with only 25K miles but it was a 6MT. I would say try to get them under $40k.

[saxon]

i just picked up an 11 with 15k miles for 41, so i would say if you can get it around 39 its a good deal being that its cpo

[typer100]

Good find. Fully loaded (ADS or sports diff?). Carbon trim. With the warranty. Try to negociate, but I would not let that one go to another buyer.
Black S4 are the most commun but to find the good option combo is often the most difficult part.

Bought mine about 3 weeks ago. Was looking for over 2 months before that. As of today, only one S4 met my requirements in my area and I bought it.

[BAHNSTORMER]

Good find. Fully loaded (ADS or sports diff?). Carbon trim. With the warranty. Try to negociate, but I would not let that one go to another buyer.
Black S4 are the most commun but to find the good option combo is often the most difficult part.

Bought mine about 3 weeks ago. Was looking for over 2 months before that. As of today, only one S4 met my requirements in my area and I bought it.



It has both, if I read the listing right.

[typer100]

It has both, if I read the listing right.
ADS comes with sports diff (4000$). Sports diff alone is 1500$.
Looks like it has ADS because I can see the individual setting button on the dash. Sports diff control panel has only Comfort, Auto, Dynamic.

With the carbon trim(500$), I don't you could have purchased a more expensive S4 in 2011. Fully loaded.

[alias747]

ADS comes with sports diff (4000$). Sports diff alone is 1500$.
Looks like it has ADS because I can see the individual setting button on the dash. Sports diff control panel has only Comfort, Auto, Dynamic.

With the carbon trim(500$), I don't you could have purchased a more expensive S4 in 2011. Fully loaded.

From the listing I don't gather that it has full ADS, it's a pretty rare option. Having just the sports diff will give you all 4 settings as well, Auto, Comfort, Individual and Dynamic. The only time that it will only time it wont have Individual is when the car lacks Navigation, then the buttons will be down by the shifter.

[BAHNSTORMER]

Took it for a test drive tonight and was impressed with the S-tronic in Dynamic mode. ADS was selectable on the MMI menu. They would not come down to $39K, but the salesman's manager was off and it was the M-B mgr that wouldn't budge. The sales guy off tomorrow, but I may stop by again to see what the mgr can do pricewise. I'd hate to let it slip away, but I'm in no rush. I'd prefer an S5 3.0T and could wait 12-18 months for prices to fall to $40K or less for one.

EDIT: A question if I get this car; It's got the 19" oem summer tires on it and, according to Tirerack the diameter is 26.1". I've got a nearly new set of 17" Goodyear snows on BBS wheels that I used on my previous S4 that are 25.5" diameter. Any idea if they would look stupid with the 0.6" height difference?

[s4buckeye]

They are asking $41.7K and won't come down to $39k? You should be looking to get it for $38-ish or less in the first place. High CPO KBB (which of course you should never come close to paying) with EVERY possible option that exists (unlikely) in PP DSG is $45.4k. KBB high trade is $36.6k, and black book retail is $44.5k with bb trade (clean) at $38.4k, average bb trade at $36.8k. Both the KBB (clean) and BB (clean) trade in values are way higher than auction/wholesale even though the dealer likely did not pay high trade value and went wholesale depending on how clean it is and how much they made on whatever the person drove out in. They probably paid at most a net of $33-$35 for the car.

Ridiculous to even mess with them at this point at that price (unless they give you full book retail on your A5 trade in - which they won't).

Move on, there are plenty of deals to be had better than that, even if not local.

[chillindrdude]

^ agree with buckeye

i got my 2010 S4 Premium Plus with nearly all the options of a Prestige, ADS (lite), Sport Diff, DSG, AWE exhaust, and 24K mile for alittle over $36K.

[BAHNSTORMER]

Thanks for the input, guys. I'm going to try to work them and if they don't meet my numbers, I have no problem walking. I really like my A5 - especially the looks/fuel mileage - but would like more power/handling. It's not a gotta have thing ATM, just wanting to take advantage of a clean CPO that's nicely optioned.

[s4buckeye]

Thanks for the input, guys. I'm going to try to work them and if they don't meet my numbers, I have no problem walking. I really like my A5 - especially the looks/fuel mileage - but would like more power/handling. It's not a gotta have thing ATM, just wanting to take advantage of a clean CPO that's nicely optioned.

Good call man. Don't forget that the dealer needs to sell a car, but you don't need to buy one.

[typer100]

From the listing I don't gather that it has full ADS, it's a pretty rare option. Having just the sports diff will give you all 4 settings as well, Auto, Comfort, Individual and Dynamic. The only time that it will only time it wont have Individual is when the car lacks Navigation, then the buttons will be down by the shifter.

My S4 has sports diff and there is no individual setting available. As for the price I think 40K-41K for a fully loaded S4 with the CPO warranty is about right. 39K good luck.
With this mileage, they should have put new tires and brakes (1500$-2000$).

When I was shopping, all the CPO S4 with around 30000 miles had new brakes and tires.

[BAHNSTORMER]

My S4 has sports diff and there is no individual setting available. As for the price I think 40K-41K for a fully loaded S4 with the CPO warranty is about right. 39K good luck.
With this mileage, they should have put new tires and brakes (1500$-2000$).

When I was shopping, all the CPO S4 with around 30000 miles had new brakes and tires.

The tires look new. Almost, if not full tread depth. From my research, CPO cars usually are priced $1500-$2000 higher than non-CPO.

[typer100]

The tires look new. Almost, if not full tread depth. From my research, CPO cars usually are priced $1500-$2000 higher than non-CPO.

Yes because 1500$ is the price for the CPO warranty. If you can confirm that the car has indeed ADS vs just the sports diff, it does add value to the original purchase price. I think, for the average person/dealer, it does add value too. Here not so much, because suspension mods will be limited in so way, by ADS.

Here's a list of options available in 2011 for the S4 with list price.

http://www.automobilemag.com/am/2011/audi/s4/packages_options.html

[laakness]

Hey, I'll be trading my car in within the next week if you are interested. I'm only 90 miles away.

It will obviously be more expensive but thought I'd give the heads up.

[alias747]

My S4 has sports diff and there is no individual setting available. As for the price I think 40K-41K for a fully loaded S4 with the CPO warranty is about right. 39K good luck.
With this mileage, they should have put new tires and brakes (1500$-2000$).

When I was shopping, all the CPO S4 with around 30000 miles had new brakes and tires.

That is because you don't have Nav.

[BAHNSTORMER]

So, the salesman calls me today and said his manager said they can only move a couple hundred on the price because they paid alot for it [rolleyes]. I told him that there was no point in trying to work a deal unless they gave me a really good price on my A5 trade. I said that if they overpaid for the S4, they could overpay for my car. Then he wanted to know what number I had in mind. I told him they need to give me their best price for mine and then I would decide if we could work something out. I don't think they'll step up with a decent price. Oh, well. There will always be another, but it would have been nice to get one locally.

[TheNewestGuy]

any pictures? Mileage?

[TheNewestGuy]

Hey, I'll be trading my car in within the next week if you are interested. I'm only 90 miles away.

It will obviously be more expensive but thought I'd give the heads up.

Any pictures? Mileage?

[laakness]

4500 Miles, mint, no scratches or stone chips. Rest of stuff is in signature.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l289/laakness/IMG_0992_zpsf4a8602f.jpg

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[coverdrive]

which year is the S4 you are planning to trade in?

[laakness]

It's in my sig, 2013

[BAHNSTORMER]

They are asking $41.7K and won't come down to $39k? You should be looking to get it for $38-ish or less in the first place. High CPO KBB (which of course you should never come close to paying) with EVERY possible option that exists (unlikely) in PP DSG is $45.4k. KBB high trade is $36.6k, and black book retail is $44.5k with bb trade (clean) at $38.4k, average bb trade at $36.8k. Both the KBB (clean) and BB (clean) trade in values are way higher than auction/wholesale even though the dealer likely did not pay high trade value and went wholesale depending on how clean it is and how much they made on whatever the person drove out in. They probably paid at most a net of $33-$35 for the car.

Ridiculous to even mess with them at this point at that price (unless they give you full book retail on your A5 trade in - which they won't).

Move on, there are plenty of deals to be had better than that, even if not local.


Good call man. Don't forget that the dealer needs to sell a car, but you don't need to buy one.

Apparently they don't need to sell a car even though month end is nearly here. They offered (if you can call it that [rolleyes]) me $28K for mine and came down to $41.5K for the S4. Black Book clean trade on my A5 is $32,875. Obviously, I walked.

[s4buckeye]

Apparently they don't need to sell a car even though month end is nearly here. They offered (if you can call it that [rolleyes]) me $28K for mine and came down to $41.5K for the S4. Black Book clean trade on my A5 is $32,875. Obviously, I walked.

Wow, that is weak. You can do better on both ends, just be patient.

[pandi]

Don't forget that the dealer needs to sell a car, but you don't need to buy one.

I try keep this in mind. Sometimes difficult though when I see that new toy just wanting to be in my garage! Btw, I have been using your guide of 15% off but I don't think it's working.

[SwankPeRFection]

Apparently they don't need to sell a car even though month end is nearly here. They offered (if you can call it that [rolleyes]) me $28K for mine and came down to $41.5K for the S4. Black Book clean trade on my A5 is $32,875. Obviously, I walked.

This should have been you before you walked out.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdYPxFMhEkE#t=0m07s

[s4buckeye]

I try keep this in mind. Sometimes difficult though when I see that new toy just wanting to be in my garage! Btw, I have been using your guide of 15% off but I don't think it's working.

All I can tell you is that to get to that point of the 15% it (for me) has been extremely uncomfortable, and at times, acrimonious. However, if you are an adult about it and don't overplay your hand, it can and does work depending on the variables. You have to be committed to buying RIGHT THERE and not be seen as a tire kicker or they won't take you as someone that is for real.

YMMV.

After some very, ahem....contentious negotiations with the MB dealer on the C63 I bought, the SM and I have stayed in touch and I have him keeping an eye out for a matte silver 507. Like this:

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[BMC1975]

I am about a month in on my 2010. I bought it with 44k, but no sport diff (i know). My car had 2 stone chips, not another dimple or ding and was incredibly clean. I paid $34 or $35k (i honestly can't remember) and had the transferrable CPO.

[pandi]

All I can tell you is that to get to that point of the 15% it (for me) has been extremely uncomfortable, and at times, acrimonious. However, if you are an adult about it and don't overplay your hand, it can and does work depending on the variables. You have to be committed to buying RIGHT THERE and not be seen as a tire kicker or they won't take you as someone that is for real.
After some very, ahem....contentious negotiations with the MB dealer on the C63 I bought, the SM and I have stayed in touch and I have him keeping an eye out for a matte silver 507.

I made an offer via text for a Cayenne. I was asked to bring in the trades. We'll see how it goes.

[SwankPeRFection]

I made an offer via text for a Cayenne. I was asked to bring in the trades. We'll see how it goes.

Hope it was a turbo...

[s4buckeye]

Hope it was a turbo...

Until last month I had a 2nd Gen Cayenne S for a few years. After having driven a Turbo at the same day, I didn't really see the difference in speed of one second or so for 0-60 being that noticeable to merit the difference in price based upon what I was using the Cayenne for. The S was crazy fast as it was for an SUV and it handled the same as the Turbo. Straight line the Turbo was silly fast, but again, in the handling department I was willing to only go so fast in the S in the turns. You are talking about a $40k difference between a well optioned S at $90k and the turbo at $130k with decent options.

Now you can get a Turbo S, which STARTS at $145k. Unless you have unlimited cash, or a ton of cash with a four person family that needs to haul stuff and you could only have one car for some strange reason it is hard to justify a Turbo or S. At least for me it was as it is an SUV after all.

[SwankPeRFection]

I can understand that, but my personal preference is FI. That's just me. Besides, an EVOtech flash on the Turbo vs S is a pretty vast difference. Who drives a non-flashed FI car?

[s4buckeye]

I can understand that, but my personal preference is FI. That's just me. Besides, an EVOtech flash on the Turbo vs S is a pretty vast difference. Who drives a non-flashed FI car?

Peeps that don't want to kill their warranty on a $130k - $180k car I believe. You probably would be spending many tens of thousands of dollars on a new block, turbo and other parts on a bricked engine, not to mention the labor. Having paid shop rates at Porsche dealers, I would pass at that point for a 60-80hp gain on either model with the evoTECH.

[SwankPeRFection]

Peeps that don't want to kill their warranty on a $130k - $180k car I believe. You probably would be spending many tens of thousands of dollars on a new block, turbo and other parts on a bricked engine, not to mention the labor. Having paid shop rates at Porsche dealers, I would pass at that point for a 50-60hp gain on either model with the evoTECH.

On the TT it's more like 80/90 and if done from a reputable tuner, there won't be a problem. A good friend has an upgraded 996 with more than just a flash and hasn't had any issues with it. I'm sure you can agree that there's proper tuning and improper tuning for every platform. If you prefer NA, that's fine, just say so. [;)]

[s4buckeye]

On the TT it's more like 80/90 and if done from a reputable tuner, there won't be a problem. A good friend has an upgraded 996 with more than just a flash and hasn't had any issues with it. I'm sure you can agree that there's proper tuning and improper tuning for every platform. If you prefer NA, that's fine, just say so. [;)]


I agree there is good and bad tuning but no problems with the tune vs. Porsche jamming you on a warranty claim are two different things. Ever paid a Porsche dealer for repairs? I didn't think so.

I didn't say I would prefer NA over FI. However when I am paying in excess of $80k for a ride, I like having a warranty and no hassle on the inevitable crap that will go wrong. That being said, big displacement in a NA engine is nice, which will make the SC I will likely be looking at for my wife's M3 that much better this May when the 4 year warranty is up. She is past the third year and only has 22k miles as of right now, and that will be a solid foundation for a ESS or VF setup to get to 650hp. Not a bad return for $15k on a car that will have under 30k miles at the time of install.

[pandi]

Hope it was a turbo...

No. it's just a poor man's Cayenne.

[SwankPeRFection]

I agree there is good and bad tuning but no problems with the tune vs. Porsche jamming you on a warranty claim are two different things. Ever paid a Porsche dealer for repairs? I didn't think so.

I didn't say I would prefer NA over FI. However when I am paying in excess of $80k for a ride, I like having a warranty and no hassle on the inevitable crap that will go wrong. That being said, big displacement in a NA engine is nice, which will make the SC I will likely be looking at for my wife's M3 that much better this May when the 4 year warranty is up. She is past the third year and only has 22k miles as of right now, and that will be a solid foundation for a ESS or VF setup to get to 650hp. Not a bad return for $15k on a car that will have under 30k miles at the time of install.

Never understood the logic when people worry about turning their cars while still having a warranty and something going wrong and having to pay for it. Then they wait until the warranty is up and tune. If something goes wrong in both situations, you run the same likelihood of having to pay out of pocket. I'm not saying what you said about the Porsche applies to your wife's car, but just in general terms about waiting for warranty to expire to do anything to a car.


No. it's just a poor man's Cayenne.

I see what you did there... [;)]

[s4buckeye]

No. it's just a poor man's Cayenne.

Cayenne, Cayenne Diesel, Cayenne S hybrid, Cayenne S or GTS?

I don't know much about the diesel or hybrid, but the S or GTS is the way to go if no turbo. Pass on 6 cyl. regular Cayenne IMO.

[SwankPeRFection]

Or you can buy one of them new Porsche SUVs that's a hybrid and comes with the 3.0T Audi motor in it. [;)] That would be like buying one of the Saab 92-X instead of a WRX. lol

[pandi]

Cayenne, Cayenne Diesel, Cayenne S hybrid, Cayenne S or GTS?

I don't know much about the diesel or hybrid, but the S or GTS is the way to go if no turbo. Pass on 6 cyl. regular Cayenne IMO.

It's for the wife. Or whomever will have to drop off the little one..shit! That's probably gonna be me based on our schedule. That GTS does look good.

[VeryBadman]

It's for the wife. Or whomever will have to drop off the little one..shit! That's probably gonna be me based on our schedule. That GTS does look good.

The ultimate baby hauler. [;)]


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[pandi]

The ultimate baby hauler. [;)]


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Nice of you to show up buddy!

[VeryBadman]

Nice of you to show up buddy!

I definitely won't leave my mate alone.


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[pandi]

I definitely won't leave my mate alone.


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You drove from Bay Area to San Diego?

[s4buckeye]

Never understood the logic when people worry about turning their cars while still having a warranty and something going wrong and having to pay for it. Then they wait until the warranty is up and tune. If something goes wrong in both situations, you run the same likelihood of having to pay out of pocket. I'm not saying what you said about the Porsche applies to your wife's car, but just in general terms about waiting for warranty to expire to do anything to a car.

It makes perfect sense in that 414hp on her car for what she uses it for is plenty for her without a tune. If she does not need or want more power (especially when it is tough to get good gains on a NA w/o a FI bolt on), then why would I risk messing with the block on an $85k car where the replacement engine costs more than your average new car? We didn't buy an M3 to have to mess with modding it to get it to perform the way we want. I would have bought a 335i e93 if I wanted to do that like psmitty did. However, having modded cars for 20 years with countless days, nights and weekends spent in the garage tinkering my priorities and time demands have changed. Kids, work and everything else makes it all change. So if I can buy a M3 off the floor and have it perform as I want it to, or a C63 in the same manner, then why not? It saves me time and effort, and I have no worries on rolling into the dealer and saying "Fix it and call me when it is right" versus sweating some TD1 nonsense. The fact is that the price paid for the M3 was not much more than an S5 convertible that has nowhere near the performance of the M3, and the same goes for the C63 vs. a S4 that I would have to spend a ton of time and cash on to get it to the C63's level of performance. The P31 package gets you what the non P31 with a tune gets you with no warranty issues. Of course I paid more for it, along with better brakes and whatnot, but it is all under warranty. Sure I could add headers and other upgrades, but the gains are minimal on 481hp so why mess with it? (that said, Weistec does make a CARB compliant SC for the C63!)

So if I don't want to spend my time modding a car like I used to and I can afford to get what I want and have enough performance in the cars I bought as stock (for the time being, haha), then why not wait until the warranty is up to go SC and potentially blow the engine? You think the mech unit in your S4 is expensive? How about the replacement cost of the DCT tranny in the M3 when the SA says you are out of pocket because they deny your claim based upon the DCT not being able to handle the increased hp and tq from the SC? Same issue on the Cayenne Turbo or the Turbo S. Not needing more power on those rides it would not therefore make sense to risk so much to lose on a 80hp gain. 500 vs. 550hp is not noticeable if you drive them, and the 0-60 difference is 4.4 vs. 4.3 between the Turbo @500hp and the S @550 hp. So again, why risk it to see a similar gain on a Turbo with a tune? If your car is underwhelming and underpowered from the get go like so many of you say about a non-tuned S4, then I can understand. Keep in mind also that the tuned S4 crowd is an infinitely small percentage of the S4 owners worldwide so that the thought that everyone thinks the stock S4 is underpowered is not reality.

So the question then becomes why only mod the engine when the warranty is up? If the engine could technically go at any moment after the warranty is up and you are on the hook, what is the difference if it goes with a SC (which will have a warranty itself) bolted on? You are still paying either way after the warranty is up, so there is far less to lose at that point. Going SC under warranty when you are still happy with the non-SC performance makes little sense seeing how much you could lose on the denial. This is no Cobb or Vishnu temporary setup, but a full SC with an IC that the dealer is gonna wig out on. The other point is the SC after 4 years is a good refresher and allows me to hold off the 911 purchase one more year. [:D]

I would like to see how many people are going to buy a new $58k S4 and go APR Stage III knowing they are likely going to be out on their ass with the dealer as TD1. Not that APR does't make quality upgrades, but good luck getting AoA to fix your DSG on a SIII car. The good news is the 3.0 TFSI is more readily available and far cheaper than the V8 M3 engine so at least that would not cost as much even though it is still not cheap.

The point is you have to pay to play either way. Pay more and keep your warranty issues to a minimum, or pay less and mod it and hope your warranty holds up. I have all the performance I want while under warranty without making significant powerplant and transmission mods, and for me that works - for now!

[VeryBadman]

You drove from Bay Area to San Diego?

That's right. I came down to visit and hang out with my friend in Pasadena anyway so I decided to drive further to San Diego and will be staying for the whole week since my current client is there. (I come down every week but by plane) After this trip I will put more than 2000 miles onto my brand new S6 in just 2 weeks!

Well, I'm trying to be optimistic thinking that my employer is paying me to break in my car.

[BAHNSTORMER]

I try keep this in mind. Sometimes difficult though when I see that new toy just wanting to be in my garage! Btw, I have been using your guide of 15% off but I don't think it's working.

Yeah, I don't have a problem with them making a reasonable profit, but that was ridiculous trying to rape me on both sides of the deal. And with smile, too...