My Build Finally bit the bullet

[master trojan]

I have been "tuning" cars since I was 16 started with my 240sx, to the eclipse, and then fell in love with those Audi's... 4th Audi now and My first turbo upgrade. I am looking for a daily driver with decent gas mileage for the daily work commute with the occasional WOOT factor. So I decided to build a TTS in a Audi A4 shell.

Build:
2007 Audi A4 non sport 6MT with 84k miles.
So far:
First thing I replaced the timing belt and checked the cam follower which was in good shape.
First week went to the Dubwerks and installed GIAC software and 034HFC.
After two month of research and weighing pluses and cons here is my final build to be completed within the next two weeks. Turbo, hpfp and injectors are on their way to arrive this weekend.

Engine:
ATP FMIC 400hp garret core
CTS K04 Borg Warner Kit
Autotech HPFP
034 HFC
Custom 3 inch DP with 2.5 back borla mufflers
TTS Injectors (same as S3 but we doing the TTS theme)
GIAC K04 File

Interior:
RS3 Shift knob
TTS Wheel

Outside:
Just tinted windows
My sleeper ride.

If I decide/find the time to do it myself I will shoot some pictures and give you guys a time estimate.

Otherwise I will post results.

[Jhad]

Cool. I have been happy with my k04 from cts. I am interested to hear how you like the giac file- my buddy is deciding between it or maestro on his k04. Good luck withe the install.

[kloeb2]

Do the build yourself. It's easier than you probably think. Any plans for internals? Looking forward to the build.

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[jsandor91]

I have been "tuning" cars since I was 16 started with my 240sx, to the eclipse, and then fell in love with those Audi's... 4th Audi now and My first turbo upgrade. I am looking for a daily driver with decent gas mileage for the daily work commute with the occasional WOOT factor. So I decided to build a TTS in a Audi A4 shell.

Build:
2007 Audi A4 non sport 6MT with 84k miles.
So far:
First thing I replaced the timing belt and checked the cam follower which was in good shape.
First week went to the Dubwerks and installed GIAC software and 034HFC.
After two month of research and weighing pluses and cons here is my final build to be completed within the next two weeks. Turbo, hpfp and injectors are on their way to arrive this weekend.

Engine:
ATP FMIC 400hp garret core cost:
CTS K04 Borg Warner Kit
Autotech HPFP
034 HFC
Custom 3 inch DP with 2.5 back borla mufflers
TTS Injectors (same as S3 but we doing the TTS theme)
GIAC K04 File

Interior:
RS3 Shift know
TTS Wheel

Outside:
Just tinted windows
My sleeper ride.

If I decide/find the time to do it myself I will shoot some pictures and give you guys a time estimate.

Otherwise I will post results.

everything looks good!
but there are better options for front mounts that will save you alot of $
many have used treadstone tr6 + ebay piping for a good k04 sized intercooler for ~400

[mec]

biting bullets isnt good for any builds

[master trojan]

I did not want to hassle with ebay piping and the tr6 fitment, so I thought to get the pre fitted "tested" kit which had fitting issues anyways. I should have done the tr6 and ebay piping. I do really like the garret core and I can tell a significant difference here in the humid and hot Chicago weather.

Internals I am not touching hopefully, that's why I went with the K04 and milder GIAC K04 tune. If I were to do internals I would slap a GTX on. If Stasis does the K04 with Giac and the warranty covers it I should be save.

I am most likely going to do it myself.

Hey Jsandor do you have a lot of droning with your 3 inch exhaust?

[nan07]

biting bullets isnt good for any builds

i don't think it means what he thinks it means

[mec]

i don't think it means what he thinks it means

Never been a fan of gun sayings, "about to pull the trigger" or "gonna bite the bullet", sounds too cheesy/ suicidal

[jsandor91]

I did not want to hassle with ebay piping and the tr6 fitment, so I thought to get the pre fitted "tested" kit which had fitting issues anyways. I should have done the tr6 and ebay piping. I do really like the garret core and I can tell a significant difference here in the humid and hot Chicago weather.

Internals I am not touching hopefully, that's why I went with the K04 and milder GIAC K04 tune. If I were to do internals I would slap a GTX on. If Stasis does the K04 with Giac and the warranty covers it I should be save.

I am most likely going to do it myself.

Hey Jsandor do you have a lot of droning with your 3 inch exhaust?

i do but only at certain rpms but that comes with the territory of a 3inch exhaust with no resonators and loud ass mufflers [drive]

exhaust clips in my build thread if your curious

[master trojan]

i don't think it means what he thinks it means

I mean making a final decision. I could have named it last call.

And Jsandor I have read your build and listen to those sound clips but they don't do real life justice.

[jsandor91]

I mean making a final decision. I could have named it last call.

And Jsandor I have read your build and listen to those sound clips but they don't do real life justice.

Its hard to capture exhaust sounds on camera. But it sounds quite deep for a 4cyl

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[event]

Lol, from the title I was expecting a failed build, not one that is just getting started.

[master trojan]

Quick question since the community is so split about intakes, should I add one to the build? It seems the only thing it does is make the turbo louder.

I have never seen any real gains if anything I seen slightly higher MAF temperatures from my own logging on my previous Saab 9.3 2.8 with stock turbo, heatshield and cone filter.

Now all the tuning shops recommend/use cone filters. Is that for looks and sound purposes?

[dackler]

Lol, from the title I was expecting a failed build, not one that is just getting started.

+1, it was, the lack of, commas, that messed the whole, thing up.

[shiro1745]

Looking good.
Do not spend money on an intake, it's useless unles you want a louder turbo sound. And if you want one the cheapest way is to just get a cone filter that fits in the engine bay using the rubber oem intake snorkel. I've had a CAI routed down to the fog light for a while and now using the oem snorkel with a K&N cone filter and don't really get heahsoak. It's a few degrees hotter but it doesn't make a difference. I don't even have a heatshield yet, working on that.

[mr shickadance]

Quick question since the community is so split about intakes, should I add one to the build? It seems the only thing it does is make the turbo louder.

I have never seen any real gains if anything I seen slightly higher MAF temperatures from my own logging on my previous Saab 9.3 2.8 with stock turbo, heatshield and cone filter.

Now all the tuning shops recommend/use cone filters. Is that for looks and sound purposes?


if you do decide to go cone filter (no real performance benefit) just do the rigged mount of placing it under the passenger headlight where the stock initial SMIC would have been.

otherwise you are only going to be pulling in air from engine bay using the OEM inlet plus a cone.


again, you will not see any gains, but i'll be damned if going wot at 2k to 5k failed to give me a smile everytime i heard my SAT wind up

[master trojan]

+1, it was, the lack of, commas, that messed the whole, thing up.

... I got excited...

[mec]

I have been "tuning" cars since I was 16 started with my 240sx, to the eclipse, and then fell in love with those Audi's... 4th Audi now and My first turbo upgrade. I am looking for a daily driver with decent gas mileage for the daily work commute with the occasional WOOT factor. So I decided to build a TTS in a Audi A4 shell.


TTS Injectors (same as S3 but we doing the TTS theme)
.

You decided to build a coupe using a sedan?

What about this build resembles the tts?

From what I can tell its a b7 a4 with a k04, but a tts uses a different engine, different transmission, different awd system, engine is traverse, resulting in haldex, etc, so apart from calling the s3 injectors tts injectors it seems to just be b7 with a k04.

[master trojan]

You decided to build a coupe using a sedan?

What about this build resembles the tts?

From what I can tell its a b7 a4 with a k04, but a tts uses a different engine, different transmission, different awd system, engine is traverse, resulting in haldex, etc, so apart from calling the s3 injectors tts injectors it seems to just be b7 with a k04.

TTS Steering Wheel, TTS wheels, same engine as 2007 tts minus orientation. I don't think they had them in the US. Also looking into some TTS seats in the future.

[glissoar]

TTS Steering Wheel, TTS wheels, same engine as 2007 tts minus orientation. I don't think they had them in the US. Also looking into some TTS seats in the future.

Hmmm....... So since I have a ko4 powered a4 with rs4 injectors and fuel pump and rs4 interior that means I really built an rs4.... Man you are so smart, thanks for enlightening me! Where would the audi community be with out you!

[ericpaulyoung]

Somebody is cranky today :/

[mec]

Somebody is cranky today :/

I found out my crank wouldn't be reusable.

[master trojan]

Hmmm....... So since I have a ko4 powered a4 with rs4 injectors and fuel pump and rs4 interior that means I really built an rs4.... Man you are so smart, thanks for enlightening me! Where would the audi community be with out you!

Look who the cat dragged in, glissoar at this point I just feel sorry for you. Looking at all your posts in any threat all you do is talk smack to everybody. You must have alot of friends and a fantastic life. The entire AZ community enjoys your productive posts.

[ericpaulyoung]

I found out my crank wouldn't be reusable.

Ya, that is the same thing that happened to me. Cost me a grand to replace the sucker. It is actually cheaper to find a short block on ebay that has the crank in it.

[master trojan]

Hey I never heard of anyone replacing the fuel return valve. The VWvortex guys and Dubwerks recommend doing the RS4 fuel return valve when you do the hpfp and or turbo upgrade.

[ericpaulyoung]

I think everyone on here has done it with an RS4 or one of John's units. I think mine is a 145 or 150 bar or some shit.

[glissoar]

Look who the cat dragged in, glissoar at this point I just feel sorry for you. Looking at all your posts in any threat all you do is talk smack to everybody. You must have alot of friends and a fantastic life. The entire AZ community enjoys your productive posts.

Im glad to see you researched my posts! your responses let me know Im...........
http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k633/glissoar/thCAYUVF3T.jpg
This is just so much fun!

[master trojan]

Im glad to see you researched my posts! your responses let me know Im...........
http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k633/glissoar/thCAYUVF3T.jpg
This is just so much fun!

I am glad I can make your life a little better.

[BenMTL]

Glissoar, who pissed in your cereal? You sound like a complete idiot. What dealership do you work at again?

[master trojan]

Quick update: Getting my local shop 3inch DP with 2.5 back with resonators and borla exhaust done today. I will post sound clips sometime next week after the mufflers are broken in for a bit.

Still waiting for the k04 and such to come in.

I wonder why nobody but RAI makes 3inch dp. Everybody and their mom runs 3inch dp on their golfs and TT's to reduce bp and even GIAC makes a file for 3inch dp to compensate for the quicker spool.

[master trojan]

Quick update: Getting my local shop 3inch DP with 2.5 back with resonators and borla exhaust done today. I will post sound clips sometime next week after the mufflers are broken in for a bit.

Still waiting for the k04 and such to come in.

I wonder why nobody but RAI makes 3inch dp. Everybody and their mom runs 3inch dp on their golfs and TT's to reduce bp and even GIAC makes a file for 3inch dp to compensate for the quicker spool.

OK just an update for the diy local shop exhaust guys the Borla 40348 will not fit our A4 B7 they are too long. Also the S4 rear valance has about 8 inches of space for tips. That means that 2 3inch tips are ideal for the Quad tip set up. I tried to use 2 oval ones that are 4.5 inches wide and they don't look/fit right.

The shop guy is doing magnaflows with quad tips now. Will be done later today I will post video later this week after it breaks in a bit.

[mec]

How many bullets is the build biting now?

[glissoar]

Glissoar, who pissed in your cereal? You sound like a complete idiot. What dealership do you work at again?

Yes sir I'm an idiot! You know mamma always says stupid is as stupid does! Sometimes for fun i pee in my own cereal! Everybody knows the best Canada is the French Canada! I would call your mother she tends to frequent my dealership she can give you all my info!

Sincerely
One big idiot!

Ok troll is done trolling this thread

[master trojan]

Admin please change my thread name....to whatever you like. Oh well here is my new exhaust 3inch dp 2.5back with resonators and quad tips love it, minimal drone at woot runs but cruising nothing. Sounds just right will see in a week how much louder it will get. http://i1297.photobucket.com/albums/ag22/master_trojan/audiback_zpse7f43e32.jpg

[aluthman]

Pic no worky worky...

[master trojan]

Pic no worky worky...
fixed I hope

[glissoar]

Admin please change my thread name....to whatever you like. Oh well here is my new exhaust 3inch dp 2.5back with resonators and quad tips love it, minimal drone at woot runs but cruising nothing. Sounds just right will see in a week how much louder it will get. http://i1297.photobucket.com/albums/ag22/master_trojan/audiback_zpse7f43e32.jpg

Oh master Trojan how we have had just a rocky start, I can be a little robust at times ill admit, but in all honesty ( no homo of course) you have quite a beautiful ass!

[mec]

Oh master Trojan how we have had just a rocky start, I can be a little robust at times ill admit, but in all honesty ( no homo of course) you have quite a beautiful ass!

needs more trunk flare IMBAMFO

[master trojan]

Thanks! I will post some more pics as the build comes along. Got shipping info K04 arrival on Tuesday next week. I did some logging with the torque app connected to the Bluetooth OBD with the exhaust. It spools about 150rpm quicker I get 15 psi around 2300 rpms and 17 -18 psi around 2600 rpm now its little bit less of a spike in boost which I like.

I took it on some back roads last night and encountered a F150 lighting, we did not get a chance to do a side by side due to single lane but I was able to: not getting totally killed I was following him up to ...mph and he was definitely gaining some distance but not running away.

[glissoar]

Thanks! I will post some more pics as the build comes along. Got shipping info K04 arrival on Tuesday next week. I did some logging with the torque app connected to the Bluetooth OBD with the exhaust. It spools about 150rpm quicker I get 15 psi around 2300 rpms and 17 -18 psi around 2600 rpm now its little bit less of a spike in boost which I like.

I took it on some back roads last night and encountered a F150 lighting, we did not get a chance to do a side by side due to single lane but I was able to: not getting totally killed I was following him up to ...mph and he was definitely gaining some distance but not running away.

Where did you order the ko4 from? I ask because when I did my build not everything for 100% and I had to do a little custom work on the oil return lines and such as well as weld a new flange on my hfc to mate to the k04. I would also look into drop in rods (excuse me if you discussed that earlier and I missed it) you don't want to go through what I had to in my build initially, very costly mistake! Also I would recommend carefully researching tuning options, there are a lot of off the shelf tunes you can get that severely underpower the true capabilities of the ko4, a lot of guys have had good success with maestro but it takes a little more work since your tuning yourself, I had a custom tune made from the ground up by united motor sports and dyno tuned to dial everything in for my exact set up. It cost me a grand for the tune plus dyno time but well worth it considering the extra ponies it squeezed out over getting an off the shelf tune.
Despite what you may hear it is possible to flirt with 300whp on the ko4 with the right tuning and fueling. But with how the ko4 is getting that power rods/pistons are a must! I'm still adjusting a few things with my fueling a hfc set up but have come very close to my 300whp goal on my set up

[master trojan]

I am shooting for 300whp down the line. I want to do the custom/maestro tuning but for now GIAC will have to do. It's less hp but it's only a 100 bucks to upgrade to the k04 file and my rods and clutch should hold up (fingers crossed).

Also doing it in stages 3, 3+,3++, 3+++, S4 will keep me entertained longer with this car, prolonging the inevitable S4 step.

Oh yeah it got the turbo from CTS comes with the HFC and flange. I talked to dubwerks (they are doing my install) don't have time with 2 young kids. They said the CTS kit is pretty straight forward fit.

[glissoar]

I am shooting for 300whp down the line. I want to do the custom/maestro tuning but for now GIAC will have to do. It's less hp but
it's only a 100 bucks to upgrade to the k04 file and my rods and clutch should hold up (fingers crossed).

Also doing it in stages 3, 3+,3++, 3+++, S4 will keep me entertained longer with this car, prolonging the inevitable S4 step.

I crossed my fingers too and it bit me in the ass and doubled my build cost, I never wish any ill will upon anyone to the extent of what I went through, the peace of mind to have with the pistons/rods is well worth the few extra bills upfront. Even though we got off to a rocky start with my sarcastic pampas somewhat asswholic attitude I can have at times, I would never want you to have to go through the financial headache I did with buying a new motor. Build the motor to handle your hp goals upfront there are too many horror stories of snapped/bent rods with the ko4 my speaking from being one of them!

[carguy138]

I crossed my fingers too and it bit me in the ass and doubled my build cost, I never wish any ill will upon anyone to the extent of what I went through, the peace of mind to have with the pistons/rods is well worth the few extra bills upfront. Even though we got off to a rocky start with my sarcastic pampas somewhat asswholic attitude I can have at times, I would never want you to have to go through the financial headache I did with buying a new motor. Build the motor to handle your hp goals upfront there are too many horror stories of snapped/bent rods with the ko4 my speaking from being one of them!

Maybe you could shed some light from your experience...

I bought an APR K04 S3 kit and waiting for it to arrive. I will be running it on the APR software and have been told by APR that I most definitely do NOT need rods with their software. Anyways semantics aside, I will be tackling the turbo install along with timing belt (86k miles) and thinking about rods as well. My extent of engine rebuilding experience is with 2 and 4 stroke dirt bikes. Built a CRF250R motor with new cam, 14:5-1 JE piston, honed the cylinder, new head, and shimmed the valves.

In regards to this motor (2.0T), how difficult is it to install rods? I would assume basically pull the head and drop the oil pan with the engine still in the car. Do you know if it is possible to leave the head on and pull the rods out through the oil pan like on older VW motors? I can't seem to find any DIY guides which would make it MUCH easier.

[glissoar]

Maybe you could shed some light from your experience...

I bought an APR K04 S3 kit and waiting for it to arrive. I will be running it on the APR software and have been told by APR that I most definitely do NOT need rods with their software. Anyways semantics aside, I will be tackling the turbo install along with timing belt (86k miles) and thinking about rods as well. My extent of engine rebuilding experience is with 2 and 4 stroke dirt bikes. Built a CRF250R motor with new cam, 14:5-1 JE piston, honed the cylinder, new head, and shimmed the valves.

In regards to this motor (2.0T), how difficult is it to install rods? I would assume basically pull the head and drop the oil pan with the engine still in the car. Do you know if it is possible to leave the head on and pull the rods out through the oil pan like on older VW motors? I can't seem to find any DIY guides which would make it MUCH easier.

Apr tuning is severely underpowered for what the ko4 is capable of which is why they say you don't needs rods, I have never heard if anyone putting rods in from under the oil pan, I don't think it is possible, get some ie drop in rods and pull the head off and they almost literally drop in place ( hence the term drop in rods) just diagram as you pull everything off so you know how to put it back together! The stock pistons will be ok, they are quite a bit tougher than stock rods, I did pistons as well on my build because I went with a lower compression, it's not too difficult, with your past experience you will be fine, I'm sure there is a DIY on rods here somewhere from some 2.0 build! I will always stand by recommending rods on very turbo build, it sets you up for bigger hp if you want in the future but also gives you the peace of mind, $700 is way more affordable than not doing and having to source a motor after yours is blown rebuild it and put rods in on the new motor, I don't trust APR's word on it!

[master trojan]

ahh just finished reading your build glissoar, really sorry to hear but you came out on top and your signature makes more sense now. I am now really considering those rods. Emailed dubwerks on a quote for drop in rods... the IE rods are only $350 but I am afraid of the labor cost. But I don't want be worried about blowing my motor every time I go woot and it opens up the road for the 300whp mark [evilsmile]

[carguy138]

Apr tuning is severely underpowered for what the ko4 is capable of which is why they say you don't needs rods, I have never heard if anyone putting rods in from under the oil pan, I don't think it is possible, get some ie drop in rods and pull the head off and they almost literally drop in place ( hence the term drop in rods) just diagram as you pull everything off so you know how to put it back together! The stock pistons will be ok, they are quite a bit tougher than stock rods, I did pistons as well on my build because I went with a lower compression, it's not too difficult, with your past experience you will be fine, I'm sure there is a DIY on rods here somewhere from some 2.0 build! I will always stand by recommending rods on very turbo build, it sets you up for bigger hp if you want in the future but also gives you the peace of mind, $700 is way more affordable than not doing and having to source a motor after yours is blown rebuild it and put rods in on the new motor, I don't trust APR's word on it!

One observation about APR's tune for the K04 and I'm not entirely sure that you are right. I had some free time at work earlier to do some calculations and believe APR's listings on their website might be a bit under-rated.

From their website the 2.0T FSI has two different output ratings. Please note that all figures are in crank horsepower unless otherwise noted.

For 93 octane on the B7 A4 section they rate it at 318hp/338tq, 100 octane is unlisted.
For 93 octane on the remaining 2.0T FSI motors, 93 octane: 323hp/335tq, 100 octane: 355hp/368tq

Assuming a stock quattro tip (I'm manual, but unrelated) is rated at 200hp and puts down approximately 160awhp and I am using this ratio 200/160 for all calculations.

Operator put down 273awhp on a tiptronic with the KOR (essentially the same turbo as APR) with APR tuning. The range of seems to be around 260-275 awhp for the 2.0T with K04 and APR tuning.

Using this ratio 273awhp (Operator's KOR) * 200chp (stock) / 160awhp (stock) = 340chp.

This is just food for thought but I've read virtually every APR K04 review I could find (mostly GTI's which weigh a lot less) and almost every one shows pretty significant gains with very happy customers. Hell a GTI with APR K04 S3 will spin the tires through 3rd gear!

I understand this comparison is not entirely accurate but just an interesting observation. It appears that the K04 or K04 variant is capable of about 100chp more than the K03. Seems like a maxed out K03 will make around 270hp on 93 octane and a K04 will make around 375chp.

The best comparison I have found is that from a roll an APR K04 S3 B7 A4 is pretty darn close to stock 335xi, stock STi, and possibly a stock 6spd B8 3.0T S4 (don't know if I believe this) but they SHOULD be close. Sure there are wildcards but I'm talking about your average car. With any bolt-ons or tunes, then it's a totally different game.

Thanks for the tips but with the rods, but if you don't drop the oil pan, how are the rods pulled out? If you only take the head off all you see are the piston heads. Each connecting rod bolts to the crankshaft which would only be accessible from underneath. How would you remove the rod in this case? I believe the name "drop in rods" is more of a marketing name than anything else. From my understanding doesn't each rod need to be properly shimmed on the crankshaft as well? I haven't torn into the internals of a car engine so any help or advice would be much appreciated.

[master trojan]

Here is the email from my tuner: so to do that job we would be taking the head off disassemble of the timing belt/components drop oil pan and pump removal of rod clean block and install new rods, reinstall. adding about 12-14 Hrs of work.

Dubwerks says that they are confident the engine will hold up with the GIAC tune. They said if I wanted to go further then they recommend rods but not necessary with the standard GIAC file. They have great reviews and did tons of k04's and beyond on Audis and tons of golf's.

So they are doing the K04 install, valve cleaning, autotech fuel pump, S3 injectors and tune. They said depending on the valve condition its about 12 hours of labor. I am scheduled for Wednesday. :-).

[glissoar]

Here is the email from my tuner: so to do that job we would be taking the head off disassemble of the timing belt/components drop oil pan and pump removal of rod clean block and install new rods, reinstall. adding about 12-14 Hrs of work.

Dubwerks says that they are confident the engine will hold up with the GIAC tune. They said if I wanted to go further then they recommend rods but not necessary with the standard GIAC file. They have great reviews and did tons of k04's and beyond on Audis and tons of golf's.

So they are doing the K04 install, valve cleaning, autotech fuel pump, S3 injectors and tune. They said depending on the valve condition its about 12 hours of labor. I am scheduled for Wednesday. :-).

Sounds exciting! I'm still skeptical of the rod situation but mainly because of my personal experience, but its also probably due to my tune, we were originally going for 300whp on stock internals

[master trojan]

All the blown rods on the k04's have been with custom tunes if I am not mistaken. Not saying it can't happen with the ots tunes but they produce less power and neither APR or GIAC "require" rods for their kits. Even Stasis uses the GIAC k04 tune for their kit and they warranty it without rods.

Hopefully for a DD it will be enough for a while...I really love my stage 2 right now super fun to drive but I miss just a little more umph. A4 can be pretty quick if you know how to drive her.

Driving a 4 cylinder turbo is like an Art you have to feel your car: know your rpm power-band, feel and time the boost, and shift at the right time.

[master trojan]

Upon further research and discussion with the wife, IE drop ins are going in.

[glissoar]

Upon further research and discussion with the wife, IE drop ins are going in.

Good choice! Like I said better safe than sorry like me!

[shiro1745]

I think we should have a drop-in rods DIY by now

[mec]

I think we should have a drop-in rods DIY by now

Convince Seth (seal66) to let me build his engine and il do it!

[master trojan]

I pulled engines and transmissions before it's not too difficult its just time consuming especially in the garage with the frequent runs to the auto-store or ordering mystic parts for Audis that nobody heard off. I wish I had time to do it. Labor cost would have went to some nice wheels. All things considered I would still be weary about installing rods/internals. If anything I would pull the engine and drop it off.

I would love to eventually drop a 2.5 in the b7. There is definitely enough room, but this might be a sooner reality for vizi [wrench]

And again thanks to everybody for posting, recommending those rods and sharing their experiences.

[mec]

I would love to eventually drop a 2.5 in the b7. There is definitely enough room, but this might be a sooner reality for vizi [wrench]



What?

[master trojan]

What?

The new TTRS and RS3 engine 2.5t 5 cylinder APR pushed that engine to over 600hp http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNklpt8CVW4 Which means that a bit more aggressive tuning will get that thing over 700hp.

I just referencing vizi since he does all the crazy builds like changing fwd to quattro and manual if I am not mistaken. And the BT build of his.

[Charles.waite]

the old 2.2 I5 engines are REALLY hard to fit into a B6/7 engine bay. The VR6 is a VERY tight squeeze and its much shorter than the I5. I'm not sure what the dimensions are like on the TT-RS I5, but I wouldn't be surprised if it required EXTENSIVE modification to fit. Like notching frames, cutting firewalls, and relocating things like the rad support and AC condenser. The 1.8/2.0t are pretty compact engines but they still take up most of the longitudinal space. I mean you can barely fit your hand behind the timing cover, where is that 5th piston going to go?

Also not a knock on Vizi, but the FWD to Quattro had been done long before he did it. As had the Tip to Manual.

[mec]

the old 2.2 I5 engines are REALLY hard to fit into a B6/7 engine bay. The VR6 is a VERY tight squeeze and its much shorter than the I5. I'm not sure what the dimensions are like on the TT-RS I5, but I wouldn't be surprised if it required EXTENSIVE modification to fit. Like notching frames, cutting firewalls, and relocating things like the rad support and AC condenser. The 1.8/2.0t are pretty compact engines but they still take up most of the longitudinal space. I mean you can barely fit your hand behind the timing cover, where is that 5th piston going to go?

Also not a knock on Vizi, but the FWD to Quattro had been done long before he did it. As had the Tip to Manual.

Agreed! The 2.2 20v turbo I was looking at was the 3b engine and the radiator is installed parallel to the block to make room up front. Granted this is on a car that was designed for 5 cyl engine bay, not a chance it would fit in our engine bays without special mounts and removal of the radiator, the firewall and much more.

[Charles.waite]

http://www.nexus6.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/RS2-4.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hdKhW_Gw8Bk/TziAM-2HDQI/AAAAAAAAI6A/T3h7qRwfgWg/s320/audi%2B5000%2Bavant%2Bengine.jpg

http://koti.mbnet.fi/pro-ht/Audi_URS4/exhaust-urs4/k24_engine-bay.jpg

Its definitely a tight fit, and those bays were designed for such a long engine.

I mean an I5 would be awesome, but would require considerable custom fabwork. Not a huge deal if you've got the equipment and knowledge I guess, but still something to be aware of.

[master trojan]

Damn, my logic was if the 4.2 V8 fits the I5 should too. Do the S4 have longer engine bays?

[mec]

Damn, my logic was if the 4.2 V8 fits the I5 should too. Do the S4 have longer engine bays?

nope not b7

[glissoar]

Damn, my logic was if the 4.2 V8 fits the I5 should too. Do the S4 have longer engine bays?

Very different dimensions from a v8 to and inline 5, we have space in our bay side to side but not front to back

[master trojan]

Quick update heading to Dubwerks today to drop off car. So with new rods I need to break in my car for 500 miles before stepping on it right? [:/]

[master trojan]

http://koti.mbnet.fi/pro-ht/Audi_URS4/exhaust-urs4/k24_engine-bay.jpg



This is a beauty!

[ericpaulyoung]

Quick update heading to Dubwerks today to drop off car. So with new rods I need to break in my car for 500 miles before stepping on it right? [:/]

I don't think you have to break in rods. I am sure one could make an arguement that the new journal bearing and thrust washer need to get some break in, but I don't think so. You should be good for the gusto right from the get go.

Now I am a poet.

Eric

[Operator]

Its definitely a tight fit, and those bays were designed for such a long engine.

I mean an I5 would be awesome, but would require considerable custom fabwork. Not a huge deal if you've got the equipment and knowledge I guess, but still something to be aware of.

Sooo looking forward to doctor putting that 2JZ in his B7 shell. Talk about tight fit.

[mec]

Sooo looking forward to doctor putting that 2JZ in his B7 shell. Talk about tight fit.

Isn't the 2jz an inline 6? I always get confused with Nissan an toyota engines. but if it's an inline 6, that will be quite the project...

[master trojan]

Fine, let me get my tape measure out for this then:

Audi’s new 4.0 TFSI is the newest engine in the German automaker’s lineup, and will find itself in the S and RS models in the future. The engine made its debut in the Audi S6, S6 Avant, S7 Sportback, and S8 during the 2011 IAA Frankfurt Auto Show. The 4.0-liter engine features a 90-degree cylinder angle lightweight cast aluminum-silicon alloy cylinder case, and chain-driven camshafts and auxiliary units at the rear to save space. The compact V-8 engine has a length of just 19.57 inches (497 mm) to save space.

What this paragraph misses is that is also sports a twin turbo

P.S. I am just dreaming around here. The K04 will have to suffice for the next year or two.

http://www.goapr.com/products/ecu_upgrade_40tfsi_s6s7.html [drool]

[carguy138]

Quick update heading to Dubwerks today to drop off car. So with new rods I need to break in my car for 500 miles before stepping on it right? [:/]

Has your K04 arrived yet? Ordered mine (showed in stock) two weeks ago tomorrow and still hasn't shipped yet. Still waiting for an "ETA from the manufacture".............

[master trojan]

Yeah it did, actually it came yesterday but i missed the fedex guy who really wanted my autograph. Today my wife signed for it and on the way to dubwerks :) Did you order from CTS?

[mec]

lol a 4.0t will cost you probably 20k atleast.

[mec]

Correction

22.5k for just the longblock
http://genuineaudiparts.com/parts/index.cfm?searchText=079+100+032+l&make=Audi&action=oePartSearch&siteid=214407

add onto that turbos, intake manifold, plumbing, radiator, mounts, etc.

Probably a solid 30k to just have the engine complete.

[mec]

a ttrs engine comes in at 16.5k

http://genuineaudiparts.com/parts/index.cfm?make=Audi&year=&searchText=07k+100+032+c&action=oePartSearch&siteid=214407

[carguy138]

Yeah it did, actually it came yesterday but i missed the fedex guy who really wanted my autograph. Today my wife signed for it and on the way to dubwerks :) Did you order from CTS?

Wow that's awesome, congrats.

I'm getting ticked off that nothing has been done since I ordered apr's kit from a vender on this site 2 weeks ago. If I don't hear anything by the end of this week, I'm inclined to cancel the order.

[master trojan]

Yeah it did, actually it came yesterday but i missed the fedex guy who really wanted my autograph. Today my wife signed for it and on the way to dubwerks :) But i went with the CTS k04 not APR

[master trojan]

Update car at dubwerks but wont get it back until sometime next week :( one of the mechanics went on vacation slowing down the build...Oh well I waited this long.

[master trojan]

Hey, just jumped on a deal I could not let pass a set of Pss9 new for under 2k at tirerack.

[NavySlideby]

Hmmm, now i know im not an Audi guy and i drive a GTI, however im curious as to why you guy are bending rods and and having so many issues at 300whp... many many GTI's on our forums are over 300whp with stock internals (including me at 400whp) and i dont know of too many people that have blown their motors. As long as you dont go too much over 400whp and 340wtq you will be alright with our motors (FSI) i figured you guys were the same.

However I digress. I was actually searching for an IE Drop in rod DIY when i stumbled upon your forum and this thread. my goal with simply the Rods is 500whp and is completely attainable with my Turbo setup (Precision 5558 and all supporting mods) as ive seen in the past.
Nice build though man, nice to see people really taking their cars to the next level...

[glissoar]

Hmmm, now i know im not an Audi guy and i drive a GTI, however im curious as to why you guy are bending rods and and having so many issues at 300whp... many many GTI's on our forums are over 300whp with stock internals (including me at 400whp) and i dont know of too many people that have blown their motors. As long as you dont go too much over 400whp and 340wtq you will be alright with our motors (FSI) i figured you guys were the same.

However I digress. I was actually searching for an IE Drop in rod DIY when i stumbled upon your forum and this thread. my goal with simply the Rods is 500whp and is completely attainable with my Turbo setup (Precision 5558 and all supporting mods) as ive seen in the past.
Nice build though man, nice to see people really taking their cars to the next level...

Maybe there is a difference in the materials for GTI stock internals but there are quite a few B7 guys, myself included that have snapped/bent rods on a k04. Also we are talking different turbo set ups that have different power bands. the k04 spools really fast which is probably leading to the rod issue, so your kind of comparing apples to oranges all fruit but still many differences, percision 5558 to a oem s3 k04

[NavySlideby]

Maybe there is a difference in the materials for GTI stock internals but there are quite a few B7 guys, myself included that have snapped/bent rods on a k04. Also we are talking different turbo set ups that have different power bands. the k04 spools really fast which is probably leading to the rod issue, so your kind of comparing apples to oranges all fruit but still many differences, percision 5558 to a oem s3 k04

But torque is torque.... if you make 300 ft/lbs of tq, it doesnt matter if you make it at 1000rpm or 8000rpm the forces placed upon that rod are the same. its physics man.
But simply to compare K04's to K04's, there are guys making 340whp or so as well. So idk maybe there are some different materials used internally, im not really sure...

[ericpaulyoung]

lol a 4.0t will cost you probably 20k atleast.

Oh, so you mean I could have saved money over building my 2.0 ! :/

[mec]

Oh, so you mean I could have saved money over building my 2.0 ! :/

Lol....don't I owe someone pistons/rods???

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/27/e9ena3u7.jpg

[glissoar]

But torque is torque.... if you make 300 ft/lbs of tq, it doesnt matter if you make it at 1000rpm or 8000rpm the forces placed upon that rod are the same. its physics man.
But simply to compare K04's to K04's, there are guys making 340whp or so as well. So idk maybe there are some different materials used internally, im not really sure...

I would be very interested to see the Dyno numbers and wha they are running on their build with the K04 cars your talking about

[jsandor91]

300whp with quattro is close to 400chp with 22-25 % drive train loss

300whp with fwd is around 330-340 ish with 10-15% dt loss

If you guys can really push 400+ with just rods that's pretty awesome

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[seal66]

I setup my car for the mountains and nice linear power. Which is why I went K04. I am happy with anywhere above 280HP+.

[master trojan]

When I talked to Rich @ Dubwerks he said he only seen people snap rods when they beat on them in the cold or when the car is not warmed up yet. But I rather not take the chance and have him install the IE drop ins(harsh winters in chi-town), since this is my daily and my wife would kill me if I told her a week later that I blew the engine.

I drove my friends evo X yesterday and all i want is my car back...I hope to have similar power to his stock lancer and I will be a very happy camper.

Quick update almost 2 weeks at the shop and still waiting...for them to finish.

Another quick question. My brother just got his A4 b8 2.0t sline. Now he is rated at 211hp and 265tq stock and with a chip apr (conservative tune) they claim 327tq. WTF and the B7 K04 is only around 330 tq. I know they changed the fueling/pump and added the fmic and increased a little boost but where is the torque coming from?

[jsandor91]

I believe the b8 has the tfsi valve lift system which bumps up toque a bit

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[master trojan]

Just an update. Going on to the third week dubwerks is really taking their time...

[glissoar]

Just an update. Going on to the third week dubwerks is really taking their time...

It takes time man, patience is a virtue lol!

[master trojan]

Yeah, I know I just wanted to go to the supercar meet last Saturday and install my Pss9 and Miro111's :-)

[seal66]

My shop did my car in a week even though I gave them 3 weeks. I wish it took them 3 weeks cause I would have added in a bunch more parts, but probably better on my wallet lol

[master trojan]

Tell me about it, I spend another couple K on RS4 sway bar pss9 and miro111 while waiting for the car .....If I don't get to drive it I might as well just buy something for it. [=(] Reflecting back I should have used all that money and bought an S4. But I love "my" A4 I missed my B6 from when I was a teenager and did not have the funds to play with it, now was the time [evilsmile]

[seal66]

I hear ya man. The rs4 and pss9's were the best purchases I have made

[master trojan]

I hear that a lot about upgrading suspension and I have never done this myself. I actually bought them more out of a "safety" feature since the s-line suspension gets little unstable at higher speeds during lane changes. But now I can't wait to drive it...

[master trojan]

So...I got my car back today. And I must say "HOLY SHIT" 3k rpms and up I am in a freaking V8. I can definitely tell that there is a bigger turbo lag but when it hits holy shit. And I have not even really beat on it yet since Dubwerks said to take it easy and let all parts settle in for bit. If anyone tells you K04 is not worth it they have not driven one!!!

Here comes the kicker so Rich @ Dubwerks is good friends with GIAC. So GIAC is writing me a "custom" file (for my setup 3inch DP/exhaust, S3 injectors, the CTS K04 kit, FMIC, (rods "moar boost i assume :)") with their new revision which will make the current tune look like a snail they said. It surpassed all my expectations so far.

I am going back hopefully this week to get my Pss9's and the "extreme" tune.

Since Clay@CTS, Dubwerks, and GIAC are really excited about my build and have been great, I might even make it to the dyno for some numbers.

[glissoar]

So...I got my car back today. And I must say "HOLY SHIT" 3k rpms and up I am in a freaking V8. I can definitely tell that there is a bigger turbo lag but when it hits holy shit. And I have not even really beat on it yet since Dubwerks said to take it easy and let all parts settle in for bit. If anyone tells you K04 is not worth it they have not driven one!!!

Here comes the kicker so Rich @ Dubwerks is good friends with GIAC. So GIAC is writing me a "custom" file (for my setup 3inch DP/exhaust, S3 injectors, the CTS K04 kit, FMIC, (rods "moar boost i assume :)") with their new revision which will make the current tune look like a snail they said. It surpassed all my expectations so far.

I am going back hopefully this week to get my Pss9's and the "extreme" tune.

Since Clay@CTS, Dubwerks, and GIAC are really excited about my build and have been great, I might even make it to the dyno for some numbers.

Do it! I've been trying to find the time to get mine on the Dyno To see the numbers I'm putting out, i havent had a chance since semi completeing my build, with the right supporting mods and tune the ko4 can sneak up on you!

[master trojan]

Do it! I've been trying to find the time to get mine on Tue Dyno To see the numbers I'm putting out, i havent had a chance since semi completeing my build, with the right supporting mods and tune the ko4 can sneak up on you! yeah the k04 sneaks in quiet a few extras. Rule of thumb double your initial build estimate

[glissoar]

yeah the k04 sneaks in quiet a few extras. Rule of thumb double your initial build estimate

Your preaching to the quire lol been there done that almost tripled original build cost and still not done with it!

[seal66]

Glad you like it man. The K04 really does make from 3k to about 6k really fun.

[master trojan]

Everybody is saying that the k04 should have came stock on the A4 but then Audi would have not have sold any S4's :) So I put over 100 miles on it so far and the gas mileage is fantastic 30+ mpg. For me at least until I run into problems(finger crossed) this is an all around winner. I was first skeptical since so many on the forums say its not worth it only a small increase jadajadajada. Love it perfect every day commuter.

While waiting for the build I had too bum cars from friends and family So i got to drive B8 A4 2.0t, Mercedes ML 350, Toyota Corolla, Lancer Evo X. And I must say the Audi B7 A4 K04 does it all. Benz Luxury/comfort, Corolla gas mileage, Lancer power and timeless Audi Styling.

I hope to get back to the shop to install the Pss9 and tune this week I will keep you guys updated.

[glissoar]

Everybody is saying that the k04 should have came stock on the A4 but then Audi would have not have sold any S4's :) So I put over 100 miles on it so far and the gas mileage is fantastic 30+ mpg. For me at least until I run into problems(finger crossed) this is an all around winner. I was first skeptical since so many on the forums say its not worth it only a small increase jadajadajada. Love it perfect every day commuter.

While waiting for the build I had too bum cars from friends and family So i got to drive B8 A4 2.0t, Mercedes ML 350, Toyota Corolla, Lancer Evo X. And I must say the Audi B7 A4 K04 does it all. Benz Luxury/comfort, Corolla gas mileage, Lancer power and timeless Audi Styling.

I hope to get back to the shop to install the Pss9 and tune this week I will keep you guys updated.

Cool story bro......




















I kid I kid I kid lol [drive] glad you are happy with the build, I have thoroughly enjoyed mine!

[master trojan]

Cool story bro......










I kid I kid I kid lol [drive] glad you are happy with the build, I have thoroughly enjoyed mine!

Somewhat knowing you now, I would have been upset if you didn't comment like this. [:D]

[master trojan]

So I just got the GIAC hammer file adjusted to my mods. It feels like an oem+ application, no hard start ups, no spikes, just smooth power delivery. Its great. Also put on my Pss9's and RS4 sway bar on. Car drives and feels awesome.

[aluthman]

Everybody is saying that the k04 should have came stock on the A4 but then Audi would have not have sold any S4's :) So I put over 100 miles on it so far and the gas mileage is fantastic 30+ mpg. For me at least until I run into problems(finger crossed) this is an all around winner. I was first skeptical since so many on the forums say its not worth it only a small increase jadajadajada. Love it perfect every day commuter.

While waiting for the build I had too bum cars from friends and family So i got to drive B8 A4 2.0t, Mercedes ML 350, Toyota Corolla, Lancer Evo X. And I must say the Audi B7 A4 K04 does it all. Benz Luxury/comfort, Corolla gas mileage, Lancer power and timeless Audi Styling.

I hope to get back to the shop to install the Pss9 and tune this week I will keep you guys updated.

My gf has a Corolla S and it's miserable to drive. I feel for ya. I'm currently driving my buddies F-150 while my engine is being built, and while it's not bad to drive, I hate spending $100 a week on gas. I want my car to be done.

[master trojan]

Das Auto
http://i1297.photobucket.com/albums/ag22/master_trojan/20130814_185758_zpsc75e282e.jpg

http://i1297.photobucket.com/albums/ag22/master_trojan/20130814_185828_zpsd2f3f9d4.jpg

[master trojan]

So just a little follow up review. The number 1 mod was the suspension, I never did the suspension or lowered any of my cars, it was not my "thing". From now on my first mod will always be suspension/coilovers even before any engine mods. I am all about the "Fahr Vergnügen" and the bilstein are like the box says: a race car in a box. Love em so smooth and I actually feel that they are more comfortable then the s-line suspension the only time you can tell its little harsher is when you go over bigger bumps.

The K04 and GIAC love it would not change a thing no need for GTX or EFR at least for me this is the best combination of added power reliability and ready out to the box. Also the GIAC tune feels like its something from the factory nice smooth power curve without the big 3k spike you get with the k03. You can feel the big push once the k04 spools up but its not pick up and drop.

Regrets: One thing I do regret the custom exhaust. Stay away from custom exhausts! I had mine made by a highly recommended shop from the AZ community. I believe he did a great job with the tools he had. The tips look great and the car sounds great (I will make some videos). But the drone / vibrations at low rpms drive me crazy. I will try to replace only the custom DP with a techtonics one and see if that helps. My idea was its just pipes...why pay for something you will never see. It's all about engine harmonics and a crush bend pipe just disturbs that yen. And with added air coming through it just vibrates and drones at low rpms crusing is fine and I am probably over sensitive but for me its all about perfection.

[ericpaulyoung]

Put on a 1/4 wavelength branch resonator, and you will love your exhaust. It isn't hard, and both Rogour and JrTrainer did it for less than $200 each! I have had one on my car for over a year, and before that the drone of the STASIS exhaust KILLED ME. Now it is sweet music to my ears.

- Eric

[master trojan]

Put on a 1/4 wavelength branch resonator, and you will love your exhaust. It isn't hard, and both Rogour and JrTrainer did it for less than $200 each! I have had one on my car for over a year, and before that the drone of the STASIS exhaust KILLED ME. Now it is sweet music to my ears.

- Eric

Eric does it again. Thanks! I am looking into get one. Any brand or vendor you recommend? Also did you keep your other two resonators that came with the stasis?