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jones3000
07-07-2005, 04:47 PM
I'm at 98,450 on the A4 now. Runs great, but I keep getting the itch for something new. I've narrowed it down to 2 whips (Audis of course). A B6 3.0L or B5 S4. Both are around the same price.

Now before you answer, consider these +(positive) and -(negative) points.

B6+ .......................................B6-
newer body style...........................It's not an S4
natural aspirated V6(225hp)......... It's not as fast as an S4(250hp)
dual climatronic
full factory warranty
less problems than the B5's

B5S4+ .....................................B5S4-
classic body style.............................turbos(which go bad)
It's an "S4".......................................no warranty or spend $ to get one
250hp stock......................................very problematic
I've always wanted one


please feel free to add any points I didn't think of.

docurley
07-07-2005, 04:54 PM
Question asks, will you want more power?

AB18
07-07-2005, 04:57 PM
Hmm, im going to have to say s4, like u said, "its a s4" are all the words i need to hear.

jones3000
07-07-2005, 05:00 PM
Both cars will get no more than a chip and maybe an exhaust, but not likely. I'll definitely upgrade the suspension, swap the wheels and leave it at that. With me starting my own business, the car will be the least of my concern. So power is not an issue.

^^^^^^^And don't forget to vote.

Kruat
07-07-2005, 05:02 PM
I say S4...nothing like a S4. I'm thinking about upgrading myself.

jones3000
07-07-2005, 05:05 PM
Originally posted by Kruat
I say S4...nothing like a S4. I'm thinking about upgrading myself.

Forget about the "S4" cool factor for a second. That car has TONS of problems. Even under warranty, I don;t like taking my car to the shop every other month. The B6 platform is less problematic and so are naturally aspirated cars in general.

Go drive a B6 3.0 and holla back.

Ben@SpeedBarn
07-07-2005, 05:11 PM
I only see one option.

Kruat
07-07-2005, 05:13 PM
Originally posted by B5Ghost
Forget about the "S4" cool factor for a second. That car has TONS of problems. Even under warranty, I don;t like taking my car to the shop every other month. The B6 platform is less problematic and so are naturally aspirated cars in general.

Go drive a B6 3.0 and holla back.

Your right, and I will prolly go drive a b6 3.0 and a b7 2.0T. But I still really like the b5 s4's. Even though they are very problematic.

TurbousMaximus
07-07-2005, 05:21 PM
someone once told me "with great power comes great responsibilty" lol. Take care of the s4 maybe go 2001.5 if you can for less problems, and the thing will keep a grin on your face. Damn b5s are just sexy, and a chip will make that thing a beast. BTW is that website all about your business? Im an artist myself and was really impressed to see your stuff.

matt719
07-07-2005, 05:31 PM
How about getting a certified S4 with one of those nice Audi certified warrantees?

MR VTEC
07-07-2005, 05:50 PM
after thinking about no warranty i want to change my vote to the b6 and debadge that b!tch

EVIL-AUDI
07-07-2005, 05:52 PM
I just saw a B7 3.0 smoke some other car today. Not sure what that has to do with it, but I say B6 3.0 and try getting the PES SC down the line.

Russ D
07-07-2005, 05:57 PM
Well, i voted B5 S4 even though I like the b6 body style better, just have a softspot for the b5 s4. The line about starting your own business... go with the B6 3.0, I take my vote back!! Less problems, Newer(yes some clients will view that as a plus as shitty as it is), and you stated you only are gunna rim and drop it and drive it. S4 for a fun ride thats fast...

BUT!

Less maintenance, client "flash" if you will, and whatnot.... Definately without a doubt... B6 3.0 (given your situation)

supermario
07-07-2005, 06:11 PM
looks like u prefer the b6 a4.. since u have more positive and less negative then the s4

Daft
07-07-2005, 07:01 PM
B5 S4. Why?

Leather - Standard Feature
HIDs - Standard Feature
250HP with 300+ HP chipability
No black lowers to paint
Avus Wheels....they sell themselves

My biggest reason for wanting one:

Gauges sallute you when engine starts...Priceless feature.


Don't get me wrong, the B6 is a great looking car with a ton of features if you get one that had all the packages on it. But, unless you get the PES S/C kit, you're not reaching 300HP. A chip on the S4 is easier to deal with than a $4K S/C kit for the B6.

The other thing is that you didn't specify what year B6. You could get a 2004 Ultrasport and that would be a bit nicer than say a 2002 B6 3.0.

I still say S4.[s4]

marked001
07-07-2005, 07:06 PM
I voted b6...but on one condition...get an avant [;)]

alen
07-07-2005, 07:07 PM
:werd:

WhippeD
07-07-2005, 07:27 PM
better yet b5 s4 avant... convert it to rs4...yummm...[up] [up]
http://tinypic.com/6tn3ae.jpg

Hassmeister
07-07-2005, 07:37 PM
[s4] [s4] [s4] [s4] [s4] [s4] !

.:AJ:.
07-07-2005, 08:04 PM
Originally posted by B5Ghost
Both cars will get no more than a chip and maybe an exhaust, but not likely. I'll definitely upgrade the suspension, swap the wheels and leave it at that. With me starting my own business, the car will be the least of my concern. So power is not an issue .

im part of the 1/3 that have voted to get the b6 so far, but whatever. don't get me wrong i love b5 S4's, they have the potential to be wickedly fast and are classically sexy but considering your situation (the stress of starting a new business and getting new car at the same time) I think the B6 would be the best choice. here are my reasons, less maintance, i think they look nice, and i'm sure the v6 is powerful enough to have some fun when you want to. good luck with your business!

offroader1006
07-07-2005, 08:20 PM
-------------------[s4] [s4] [s4]


[a4] [hail][hail] [hail]

OverSpun
07-07-2005, 08:52 PM
S4 over 3.0, but why 3.0 and not 1.8T, unless ofcourse you dont plan on modding, a chipped 1.8T is a lot more fun than a 3.0, ive driven a handful of 3.0s tip and 6 speed and im not really a fan of that engine for much more than just cruising.

jones3000
07-07-2005, 08:52 PM
thanks guys.

Turbous yeah that is my business. I've been a designer/artist for many years. I worked as a multimedia designer for a year before being the Internet Manager for audi and then VW. But my heart has always been with design.

You've got a very good point there EVIL.

You too Russ. But I think the B5 can also pull that off. Especially an S4.

I like how you think marked. Especially since I do caricatures, I can fit all my signs and stuff in the back. Though they all fit in my A4 fine for now.

Decisions, decisions. It looks like it will probably come down to something as dumb as color.

I only like the B6 in dolphin dray or denim blue.

If I go S4, it'll have to be Imola yellow or nagaro.

GlryX
07-07-2005, 09:10 PM
If you can afford to keep up with maintenance on the B5... go for it. But the practical side of me says go with the B6.

DRA4
07-07-2005, 09:18 PM
S4, my bro has a 2000 stage 2+ and is been like that for over 2 years now, no problems at all, car pulls like a damn plane. But is your money, i think in your case you will get the B6 3.0.

HotSauce
07-07-2005, 10:16 PM
S4>A4...B5 is classic, and the problems of the S4 are EXTREMELY exagerated.

Mine has been very good, and I got it, with a warranty (CPO) for mid teens.

The 3.0 is a pretty boring car...The 2.7 has tons of personality, and the B5 platform is a driver's platform.

AudiMV
07-07-2005, 10:39 PM
i said b5 s4 (it is a dream of many of us a4'ers) just get one with a cpo like hot sauce.....although the 3.0 is a nice car and more "updated" to some

Mr_You
07-07-2005, 10:59 PM
How about some variety?

I'm not sure if you have a 1.8T or 2.8, but I just got my 99.5 A4 1.8T QMS w/ 71k miles that I will be chipping soon and I'm already thinking about my next ride.

Depending on future life circumstances, I might slap a big turbo on the A4 1.8T QMS for continuing to rack up daily driver miles and eventually add a Porsche Boxster 986 (base or S with GT3 aerokit minus spoiler) which I may consider for an eventual 3.6L conversion (would be sick). I'll always have a bike also, currently have a 2004 Yamaha FZ6. Also own a lifted 1978 Toyota Land Cruiser FJ40 that just needs some body work.

Each vehicle brings its own experience.

Otherwise I would vote to go with what I chose for cost/performance reasons: 1.8T QMS (B5 w/ S4 modified bumper+side skirts or B6 Sport Package).

docurley
07-08-2005, 02:23 AM
I will say B6 as you are starting your new business and as stated the last thing you need is a car that don't work first thing in the morning when you need to get to a meeting.

If things pick up and your doing ok then go and get the S4, hay you may find you can have both and wanting the S4 will give you another goal to achieve.


And one other thing you need focus not a distraction like the S4 as all your want to do is drive it every 5 min and never get any thing done.

imola_Jon
07-08-2005, 02:50 AM
I think Daft summed it up nicely!

quattroanillos5
07-08-2005, 07:21 AM
BI TURBO.... nothing else needs to be said....

jones3000
07-08-2005, 07:23 AM
I was looking at my Europlate this morning"B5 GHOST". I think I may have the answer.

Rosati
07-08-2005, 07:33 AM
^^ yeah

But, at first glance, this post looks like a no brainer to answer .

Then all the other factors come in-- the main thing is what you are going for. Your gonna have your own business? you wana class it up and go elegant? ok 3.0 ultrasport

wanna be bad ass classy? go s4

jones3000
07-11-2005, 07:08 AM
My friend just spent about $3k this weekend on a used 6sp S4 tranny. Syncros went, plus other misc. parts need to be replaced.. . . ouch! S4 not looking good. Maybe down the line when cost of repairs isn't a big deal and when I have 2 cars in the driveway.

I think I'll be going B6. 225 stock hp + a few add ons and I'll be around S4 stock territory. Plus people can comfortably sit behind me.

quickglx
07-11-2005, 08:04 AM
That's 220 Hp stock, 221lb ft, versus 250hp and 258 @ 1850 rpm. And the 2.7's torque stays FLAT until almost 4000 rpm. The 3.0 has over 200 lb ft available from about 2200-5000, but the 2.7 can do 200 lb ft a little over idle all the way to redline! That's just stock too. Add a chip and the 2.7 is about 100 ponies over a stock 3.0, you'll never get that kind of power out of a 3.0 that easily.

And people can sit comfortably behind you? The b6 adds 1.5 inches of rear leg room so don't fool yourself.

The B6 adds alot of fancy new features you absolutely can't get on any B5. Better aerodynamics and less noise. 45% increase in body rigidity. Lighter weight suspension(S4 has aluminum pivot bearings as well), standard aluminum crossmember/ transmission mount(exc auto), better/more airbags and safety equipment, new dual zone a/c control head and variable displacement compressor, solar roof available on 3.0l, electric folding mirrors on 3.0l, symphony II radio, one touch turn signals,a plethora of new control units and modules..... the list goes on.

But not included in that list is a 2.7l bi-turbo. It's a tough decision, I'd consider a chipped 1.8t B6 as well.

jones3000
07-11-2005, 08:55 AM
You're right. It is 220. But other than that, you have no point. Trust me, I know what an S4 can do. I'm not looking to maximize the potential of either car. When people think of an S4, they think of how fast it "can" be. The most I'll be doing is suspension and maybe chip. I think the whole world knows now that a chipped S4 gives you 310hp, but at the cost of your turbos going prematurely.

Fooling myself? What are you just flipping through a catalog looking at facts and figures? Go sit in the back of a B6. There's definitely more room. I didn't say it was an A8. If you read the first post, I do not wish to have my car in the shop every week. Cost of repairs is not the biggest issue for me, plus I'll only have one car.

Come off the "S4 high" for a second.

Ben@SpeedBarn
07-11-2005, 10:13 AM
I would go s4 or VW.

quickglx
07-11-2005, 12:03 PM
Hey man just trying to be helpful since you wanted opinions, but it sounds like you've already made up your mind. My point was that the 2.7 offers more torque and is more fun than a 3.0, plain and simple. Nothing about maximizing potential or anything, just that a chip adds another 70-80 hp... Go drive them back to back you will see. Where can you get a chip for the 3.0 and what can that do?

And yes, I was looking through The 2002 Audi A4 Technical Features SSP, 100 pages highlighting various changes in the design of the car over the previous model. There is definately more rear seat leg room, 1.5" of it.....[rolleyes] And I'm not on an "S4 high", If want to know I didn't vote because a B6 1.8t isn't one of the choices.

fast_audi
07-11-2005, 12:25 PM
b6 3,0, b5 s4 is getting too old.

BananaBoy_S4
07-11-2005, 12:45 PM
B6's are pigs

jones3000
07-11-2005, 01:24 PM
Originally posted by quickglx
Hey man just trying to be helpful . . . .

Yeah, but you're repeating points I already made in my first post.[rolleyes]. I'm starting a business and "power" is not my main concern. To be real, most of the time I just cruise in my car. Gas prices, speeding tickets, etc., don't let you have all the "fun" you want these days.

My mind's not made up yet. But come with another point other than the S4 is faster which I already know. As far as being more "fun", that's just a matter of opinion. With a suspension upgrade, both cars will handle nicely. The upgraded features in the B6 make it a fun car to drive and to look at. And even if you had a point there, is the S4 worth the headaches just to drive a slightly faster car?

Thanks anyway.

Audimarc
07-11-2005, 01:35 PM
BananaBoy_S4 - Ron Jeremy! Thanks for the smile.

B5Ghost - Listen, you want input? Here is what I think. The B6 3.0 is so boring. Why? It just is. I have driven a B6 S4 and frankly, it's the only B6 I would even consider. If you can't afford what you really want, why settle? Get the best of both worlds and get the B6 S4.

jones3000
07-11-2005, 01:44 PM
Originally posted by 1999 Audi A4
BananaBoy_S4 - Ron Jeremy! Thanks for the smile.

B5Ghost - Listen, you want input? Here is what I think. The B6 3.0 is so boring. Why? It just is. I have driven a B6 S4 and frankly, it's the only B6 I would even consider. If you can't afford what you really want, why settle? Get the best of both worlds and get the B6 S4.
It's not a question of being able to afford. The S4 will actually be cheaper. Maintenance wise I just don't want to deal with it. Alot of people have personal attachments to that car, whether they own one or not. It's just not that serious with me. I'll definitely own one when I have another really nice car in the driveway where having the S4 down will not bother me. The S4's really nice, but really annoying at the same time. It's like having a really hot chick that's bi-polar and psycho.

Don't get me wrong. The S4 is still an option. B6 S4 is out of the question. And again people. . .read my post.

Audimarc
07-11-2005, 01:50 PM
LOL! Good answer.

littlewhite
07-11-2005, 05:21 PM
Originally posted by marked001
I voted b6...but on one condition...get an avant [;)]


[up] a must for b6 have to go with u also

DDQ
07-11-2005, 06:22 PM
Well, I recently made the switch, so I can give you my impression.

The A4 (even when fully modded) is not remotely close to an S4, especially interior-wise and all the little things. On top of that, the power is unreal compared to an A4. Granted my car is now Stage 2+, it's in a league of its own for the most part.

Yes, I expect maintenance with this car, but no more than I would with any other high end car, even an A4! The turbo issues occured in earlier models. And there's plented of S4 owners that have been chipped and have over 100k on their stock turbos.

Keep in mind that on the forums, you only read about the problems people have, because problems are what get people to this forum in the first place.

jones3000
07-11-2005, 08:53 PM
Very true and very well put DDQ. I'll have to disagree though. Besides the Recaro seats, the 2.8 and S4 share the same interior. Well the S4 has a marble finish versus the 2.8 wood grain. The S4 white needles, etc definitely make it nicer. I wouldn't say not remotely close though. The reason an A4 (particularly a 1.8T) will never feel like an S4 no matter what mods because you're going from a 4 cylinder turbo to a V6 bi-turbo.

The S4 is still in the running. We'll see.. . . . . . . . .

jones3000
07-19-2005, 08:06 AM
Originally posted by docurley
I will say B6 as you are starting your new business and as stated the last thing you need is a car that don't work first thing in the morning when you need to get to a meeting.

If things pick up and your doing ok then go and get the S4, hay you may find you can have both and wanting the S4 will give you another goal to achieve.


And one other thing you need focus not a distraction like the S4 as all your want to do is drive it every 5 min and never get any thing done.

I agree exactly. B6 3.0 wins it![up]

A few more positive reasons: No more timing belts in the B6, free maintenance, better antitheft system(not to mention how highly the S4 is targeted), and the sport package on the 2002 and 2003 B6's look amazing. These are the three colors I am considering. I kinda like the lowers unpainted on the B6. I'll drop it, throw some wheels on it and call it a day.

http://images.autotrader.com/images/2005/7/7/185/451/1593260215.185451041.IM1.MAIN.565x421_A.562x421.jp g
http://images.autotrader.com/images/2005/6/14/184/198/1527753397.184198414.IM1.MAIN.565x421_A.562x421.jp g
http://images.autotrader.com/images/2005/6/17/178/927/1535292690.178927933.IM1.04.565x421_A.562x421.jpg

Now I just have to find the deal I'm looking for with the options I want. I can afford to be patient since I don't really "need" a new car. But by next summer, I should be in a B6![drive]

Daft
07-19-2005, 08:12 AM
I like the Dolphin Grey. Looks stealthy. Add a set of black wheels with a polished lip and you're all set.

bitterchild
07-19-2005, 03:54 PM
I like the Grey as well but you know I'm a racer so I won't support the b6 beyond saying that the grey looks the best of the three colors you posted. Btw, what's wrong w/ keeping the current car and running it dead? Seems more financially feasible. If the only reason you want to switch cars is the new car itch then I don't even think the b5 s4 is an option...

quickglx
07-20-2005, 07:12 AM
The 3.0 still has a timing belt......

onemoremile
07-20-2005, 08:35 AM
be sure to finance it under your company. if you own a company there is no reason to drive a car you own for work.
this entitles you to some quite lucrative write-offs and if you do encounter a crazy expense you can put it on a high limit corporate card or add it to your small business loan.

also be sure to form a corporation or at least an LLC. the benefits are incredible once you really start getting into it.

jones3000
07-20-2005, 10:01 AM
Originally posted by quickglx
The 3.0 still has a timing belt......

are you sure? I think they have timing chains now.

jones3000
07-20-2005, 10:02 AM
Originally posted by onemoremile
be sure to finance it under your company. if you own a company there is no reason to drive a car you own for work.
this entitles you to some quite lucrative write-offs and if you do encounter a crazy expense you can put it on a high limit corporate card or add it to your small business loan.

also be sure to form a corporation or at least an LLC. the benefits are incredible once you really start getting into it.

thnks for the info.[up]

onemoremile
07-20-2005, 11:44 AM
that's how we did the biturbo s4 avant here at work. i don't remember how the funds were managed internally but i do know that the bigger intercoolers, rs4 turbos and clutch all went on the company credit card.
oh, and if you put your name on the car somewhere you can use it as an advertising write off. it really doesn't have to be all that much either. a 2" tall website address at the top of your back window would do it.

Andrew A4
07-20-2005, 12:16 PM
[hail] [s4] = [race]

sushi_turbo
07-20-2005, 12:21 PM
I would totally take the B5 S4! Either that or an E36 M3 (personally).

derek
07-20-2005, 01:48 PM
Originally posted by Daft


My biggest reason for wanting one:

Gauges sallute you when engine starts...Priceless feature.


[s4]

I have yet to see a S4 that has gauges that salute you when you startup the car. I have a S4 and have been in many S4's and none do that.

HazeJz36
07-20-2005, 01:55 PM
B6 3.0 is definatly the more sensible way to go. Warrenty = God.

quickglx
07-21-2005, 08:11 AM
Originally posted by B5Ghost
are you sure? I think they have timing chains now.

Absolutely sure. You are probably thinking of the 3.2 FSI, which isn't available on the B6, except for one training vehicle I know of in Allentown.

shepherd
07-21-2005, 08:31 AM
That 250ps from S4 is totally different from that B6 of 225ps...dunno if you got my meaning! You can easily make a S4 300ps but you need an extra $5000 to SC the V6 for 100ps more. I will choose S4 unless I plan to SC the V6, which I won't.

Besides horsepower, I think there is quite a large diff. on torque as well.