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tglad5
04-29-2013, 05:32 PM
I posted this on the AW forum as well and wanted to share with members on this forum. Please post your comments. I'd appreciate hearing from anyone who will weigh in. I want to help fellow members avoid the situation but I also would like to let Audi/dealers hear what our community feels about this issue. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has had this happen.

I had my car detailed a few days ago and the detailer pointed out several areas on the car that had overspray and poor quality work (swirl buffing marks on clear coat, overspray, drip marks, and paint tape lines). I researched this a bit over the weekend and it appears that dealers are not required to disclose repairs on new car sales in Virginia unless it exceeds 3% of MSRP. I bought a fully loaded 2013 A6 with an MSRP of nearly $70k. So a 3% threshold would be something like $2,100 which I think is quite significant. I called the dealer and they confirmed that they had repaired the vehicle and that they did not disclose nor were they required to do so. It is also interesting that while the threshold for disclosure is set at a % of MSRP, there are no guidelines on how repair costs should be evaluated except that costs of glass and wheels/ tires are excluded. So with that and a little accounting trickery the threshold for disclosure can be manipulated. This is certainly not something that is consumer friendly.

The dealer said they would send someone to look at the vehicle to discuss how/if they will remedy the repair. I don't think I can trust them to do it right if they didn't the first time.

This practice may be legal but I feel cheated. I would expect that a luxury car dealer would have a more stringent disclosure policy that is better than that of state minimums. Audi should require dealers to adhere to disclosures policies and ethics policies, and a code of conduct that exemplifies some class and sophistication.

Forum members please comment back. What would your reaction be if this happened to you? If anyone had this happen before how did you resolve the issue?

One lesson learned is that everyone buying a new car should ask the dealer if they are aware of any repairs however minor that were made to the vehicle prior to taking delivery. There is no substitute to this and perhaps even get a written statement from the dealer. Caveat emptor.

S4bmwslayer
04-29-2013, 05:36 PM
I would be totally pissed! It shows regardless of the brand, car dealers are crooks.

the1obster
04-29-2013, 06:32 PM
Happens all the time. Was at my regular body shop here in socal and they had 8 brand new cars there. I asked why the new cars are there they said dealers get fender benders all the time and they bring it in there for repair. He said they have accounts with 9 dealers and get about 10-20 cars a week.

rayray
04-29-2013, 07:03 PM
^^^ Agreed.... It happens all the time. Damage usually occurs upon loading or unloading the ship. Dealers have them fixed before they hit the lot. Because they are not officially under the dealers possession and inventory until they hit the lot, they are not subject to the typical damage disclosures as your would get for a CPO or used vehicle.

TheChef
04-29-2013, 07:20 PM
An Audi spends the better part of a month on a boat coming over from Euro. Rough seas exist and many times cars get damaged in transport. I believe the % of MSRP is specific to your state, but in general, any repair or fix or work done at the port before it comes to the dealer is considered part of the "factory". It will not be on a carfax report.

I still would be upset, as you are, but I am not sure what can be done.

Was this work done at the port or once on the dealer lot.

rayray
04-29-2013, 07:34 PM
...

SN: Your car is sex! You need to bring that beast 3 hours west! [drool]

jspy
04-29-2013, 08:17 PM
Mine had fender damage and I was informed prior to anyone touching the vehicle. I was also able to approve the repair prior to acceptance. Your story makes me feel better about my experience.. Dealer also offered up whatever I wanted
to insure an Exceptional feedback report.

JBAeroEngineer
04-30-2013, 04:30 AM
Hey OP, I bought up in Silver Spring, and brought back to VA (Fairfax County).

The left rear quarter panel had been painted and has had paint bubbles since October 2010 (bought in August 2010 as CPO). Still in talks with AoA to get it resolved, just got another email from them yesterday actually.

No documentation, and they even admitted to it being painted [mad]

TheChef
04-30-2013, 06:03 AM
SN: Your car is sex! You need to bring that beast 3 hours west! [drool]

It's for sale. ;) buy it and it can be 3hrs west perminately :)

HyperM3
04-30-2013, 06:23 AM
I understand your frustration but this is more common than you think. EVERY manufacturer has a body shop at port.

A few years ago I visited the BMW facility up in Elizabeth, NJ. Got to take a really cool tour of the whole place. They walked us through the body shop area and there were several cars getting repainted and straightened while we were there.

This is definitely one of those times where "ignorance is bliss". If its not on the carfax, it never happened.

tglad5
05-25-2013, 06:02 AM
All -- an update. After the dealers rep visited and looked at the car they initially suggested and tried to do more paint correction. They left an A8 loaner while they worked on the car. I just didn't like that solution. So I continued to insist on a replacement car as the factory finish on my car had been tampered. I felt they had sold car that had been in some sort of accident which was poorly reconditioned and therefore was not a new car from the factory. To me this was a fraudulent transaction. I consulted a prominent lawyer in Northern VA who reviewed with me the details I had gathered. His advice was that this was a winnable case and the dealer would have had to pay treble damages and possibly punitive as well; however this would take time, cost, and energy. Meanwhile the dealer called back and said a near identical car in the same color had arrived and they would like to swap the bumper and the hood from the new one to switch with mine. This development just completely changed my resolve. After a short discussion with the GM at the dealership they relented and replaced the car. The new car arrived this past Monday and I unwrapped and inspected it before taking delivery! I did pay a small cash payment to cover the five months of use on the original car. I still believe this has left a very bad experience in my mind and this dealer is lucky that I just didn't want to pursue the legal remedy. All new car dealers (especially luxury brands) need and should have codes of conduct and ethics compliance programs in place. Through this ordeal I had called Audi's customer experience/relations department and did not get anyone who understood the gravity of this situation (the call center personnel have no way to escalate quickly to regional or local management a situation that harms the brand reputation). In the end I handled it and am ok with the final outcome. All future car buying will now be different. Caveat emptor.