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HokieQ5
03-03-2013, 08:03 PM
I have been reading all over the place about brake dust issues (go ceramic?) and possible upgrades for the Audi Q5. I share the frustration about the brake dust but also the desire not to spend 3500 on a BBK. I had seen the S4 (controversial apparently) upgrade from oemplus.com... I have also seen BBKs like Willwood that only offer fitment for A3 and S4.

My question is, does anyone know if the A3 BBK or S4 BBK fit on the Q5? They make decent stuff and the price is MUCH more affordable... Thanks for any help!

Josh

spijun
03-03-2013, 11:56 PM
ThunderDent has upgraded brakes with Brembo new model that comes on the model OEM Q5 2013
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/524795-ThunderDent-Q5-(Ibis-Cinny)-OEM-**build-thread**

subsonique
03-08-2013, 09:51 AM
I have been reading all over the place about brake dust issues (go ceramic?) and possible upgrades for the Audi Q5. I share the frustration about the brake dust but also the desire not to spend 3500 on a BBK. I had seen the S4 (controversial apparently) upgrade from oemplus.com... I have also seen BBKs like Willwood that only offer fitment for A3 and S4.

My question is, does anyone know if the A3 BBK or S4 BBK fit on the Q5? They make decent stuff and the price is MUCH more affordable... Thanks for any help!

Joshhey HokieQ5, to answer your question, yup the S4 BBK will fit directly the Q5, but the A3 will not. my opinion, when it comes to braking, i would try to get the best possible. i had the RS5 8potter by Brembo on my Q5 and it worked wonders!

D_Frost
03-08-2013, 06:11 PM
In this case, you might be better off with semi-metallic brake pads (or even go with a 2013 caliper [by Brembo] like ThunderDent, which comes with a lower dusting compound for pads). S4 brakes are essentially the same as the Q5 with the exception of a different caliper carrier which allows for larger rotors to be fitted (I'm not 100% sure of the rotor offset though). Given that, you probably won't notice much improvement in braking performance. Also, the Q5 doesn't have a large aftermarket for parts and upgrades so choices are limited. A few of us have tried reach out to various manufacturers and only Brembo has something for the Q5 so far.

subsonique
03-12-2013, 07:59 AM
In this case, you might be better off with semi-metallic brake pads (or even go with a 2013 caliper [by Brembo] like ThunderDent, which comes with a lower dusting compound for pads). S4 brakes are essentially the same as the Q5 with the exception of a different caliper carrier which allows for larger rotors to be fitted (I'm not 100% sure of the rotor offset though). Given that, you probably won't notice much improvement in braking performance. Also, the Q5 doesn't have a large aftermarket for parts and upgrades so choices are limited. A few of us have tried reach out to various manufacturers and only Brembo has something for the Q5 so far.AP Racing has BBK for Q5. whatever fits the A4, A5 and RS5, fits our Q5.

Der grosse Mann
03-14-2013, 03:26 PM
Alex at Europrice can set you up with what I feel is the optimal OEM brake upgrade for the Q5. It uses the complete front and rear systems from the Euro 2013 Audi RS4 Avant. All parts are direct bolt on including the splash guards. All the hard brake lines on the Q5 body are in the right locations, and the new calipers come with stock new flexible lines. A note on flexible brake lines: for Audis at least, save your money and donít buy stainless-steel flexible lines. The stock Audi lines are Kevlar reinforced and distend less under pressure than stainless lines. The RS4 Avant system uses Brembo-sourced 8-pot four pad front calipers, with 4-pot two-pad rears. I have this setup on my Q5 and it is awesome. Parts will run about $5,500 and install labor about $1,500. Not cheap, but excellence never is. You can have a look at the brakes here:

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/510652-Recently-Completed-2011-Audi-Q5-2-0T-project-at-EuroTech-MS

spijun
03-15-2013, 01:55 AM
Alex at Europrice can set you up with what I feel is the optimal OEM brake upgrade for the Q5. It uses the complete front and rear systems from the Euro 2013 Audi RS4 Avant. All parts are direct bolt on including the splash guards. All the hard brake lines on the Q5 body are in the right locations, and the new calipers come with stock new flexible lines. A note on flexible brake lines: for Audis at least, save your money and don’t buy stainless-steel flexible lines. The stock Audi lines are Kevlar reinforced and distend less under pressure than stainless lines. The RS4 Avant system uses Brembo-sourced 8-pot four pad front calipers, with 4-pot two-pad rears. I have this setup on my Q5 and it is awesome. Parts will run about $5,500 and install labor about $1,500. Not cheap, but excellence never is. You can have a look at the brakes here:

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/510652-Recently-Completed-2011-Audi-Q5-2-0T-project-at-EuroTech-MS

There is a much cheaper alternative to the larger disks and caliper for the Q5, from models SQ5 prices in Europe

-SQ5 380x36mm price approx 1600Eur = $ 2100

-RS4-standard 365x34mm price approx 2500Eur price = $ 3250

-RS4/RS5 ceramic discs 380x38mm price approx 12.000 Euros = $ 15.600

Prices are only for the front brakes

Rear brakes are the same on all models: RS4 and RS5 and SQ5 Girling TRW 330x22mm, there are no ceramic

D_Frost
03-15-2013, 06:31 AM
There is a much cheaper alternative to the larger disks and caliper for the Q5, from models SQ5 prices in Europe

-SQ5 380x36mm price approx 1600Eur = $ 2100

-RS4-standard 365x34mm price approx 2500Eur price = $ 3250

-RS4/RS5 ceramic discs 380x38mm price approx 12.000 Euros = $ 15.600

Prices are only for the front brakes

Rear brakes are the same on all models: RS4 and RS5 and SQ5 Girling TRW 330x22mm, there are no ceramic

Are the part numbers identical for the RS4/RS5/SQ5 front/rear rotors and brake pads?

spijun
03-15-2013, 09:06 AM
Are the part numbers identical for the RS4/RS5/SQ5 front/rear rotors and brake pads?

For the rear brakes are the same
Send me an e-mail address on PM
I will send you a PDF with all the serial numbers for the RS4, RS5 and SQ5[drive]

HokieQ5
03-15-2013, 01:16 PM
This is a lot of good information, thanks! I'm not looking to pay for a BBK, but I will need brakes in the next year so I'm trying to decide if it's worth replacing the factory brakes or using that as time for an upgrade. The ONLY complaint I have about the stock brakes is the dusting, so braking power is not really necessary and cosmetics are an afterthought as this is my DD so it's not always clean.

Der grosse Mann
03-17-2013, 08:49 AM
There is a much cheaper alternative to the larger disks and caliper for the Q5, from models SQ5 prices in Europe

-SQ5 380x36mm price approx 1600Eur = $ 2100

-RS4-standard 365x34mm price approx 2500Eur price = $ 3250

-RS4/RS5 ceramic discs 380x38mm price approx 12.000 Euros = $ 15.600

Prices are only for the front brakes

Rear brakes are the same on all models: RS4 and RS5 and SQ5 Girling TRW 330x22mm, there are no ceramic

Not sure where you're getting your information about the SQ5, but it most definitely does not have the same rear brakes as the Euro 2013 RS4 Avant, Coupe or RS5.

Here are the front and rear brakes from a Euro 2013 RS5 (the RS4 rear rotors have a slightly different offset):

http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/562/2013_RS5_Front_Brake_System.jpg

http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/2013_RS5_Rear_Brake_System.jpg

Here are several views of the 2014 SQ5 from the Detroit auto show:

http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/SQ5_Detroit_Rear_Brake.jpg

http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/SQ5_Detroit_Front_Brake.jpg

http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/SQ5_Detroit_Side_View.jpg

It's obvious that the SQ5 brakes bear little or no resemblance to the Euro RS kits, and certainly not where the rear brakes are concerned. At the price point at which Audi is expected to offer the SQ5 in the US, it is not within cost parameters for the company to put RS-level brakes on it. S-level customers might also balk at the cost of replacement pads and rotors for the RS brakes -- the eight front OEM pads are in the range of $500, with rotors pushing $1,500 each. Could you post your source for the specs for the SQ5 brake systems, as there is no hard information that I am aware of here in the US. It would be nice to know if the stock SQ5 brakes can be retrofit to earlier Q5 models, and whether doing just the fronts doesn't unacceptably upset front/rear brake balance.

Thanks.

spijun
03-17-2013, 09:15 AM
Sorry but I think that these brake discs are not original from model RS4

The source of information is the Audi spare parts catalog
I writing about the genuine Audi brakes for all models
Good luck

http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee407/junspi/ScreenShot050_zpsacf305c3.jpg
http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee407/junspi/ScreenShot051-1_zpsb8f635b5.jpg

Here to see more models use discs rear brake: Girling TRW 330X22MM (RS4 and RS5 drilled)

http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee407/junspi/Audi_zpsa4203131.jpg

Der grosse Mann
03-17-2013, 01:05 PM
Sorry but I think that these brake discs are not original from model RS4

The source of information is the Audi spare parts catalog
I writing about the genuine Audi brakes for all models
Good luck



Your ETKA information is not the most up to date. There was a "refresh" to the brakes for the MY2013 Euro RS4s and RS5s. What is an 2013 AQ5 that you're showing in ETKA? Is that the MY2014 SQ5 that is expected to start arriving in the US late Q3 2013?

Here are some photos from Audi's own brochure on the 2013 AS4 Avant, which clearly show the brakes that I pictured in my previous post. That the several models you show share the TWR/Girling rear caliper is not that surprising, if it is correct, but the rotors are different between the models, even if they are nominally the same diameter and thickness.

http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/medium/2013_Audi_RS4_Avant_2.jpg

http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/medium/2013_Audi_RS4_Avant_3.jpg

http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/medium/2013_Audi_RS4_Avant_4.jpg

http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/medium/2013_Audi_RS4_Avant_5.jpg

That last rotor on the right is the ceramic one. Real practical option for an SUV like the Q5!

D_Frost
03-17-2013, 05:53 PM
That brochure makes me want an RS4 Avant ;)

Q5 Bob
03-17-2013, 06:23 PM
That brochure makes me want an RS4 Avant ;)

M too! I wish wagons sold better in the U.S. There are some nice ones out there.

spijun
03-18-2013, 12:04 AM
Your ETKA information is not the most up to date. There was a "refresh" to the brakes for the MY2013 Euro RS4s and RS5s. What is an 2013 AQ5 that you're showing in ETKA? Is that the MY2014 SQ5 that is expected to start arriving in the US late Q3 2013?

Here are some photos from Audi's own brochure on the 2013 AS4 Avant, which clearly show the brakes that I pictured in my previous post. That the several models you show share the TWR/Girling rear caliper is not that surprising, if it is correct, but the rotors are different between the models, even if they are nominally the same diameter and thickness.
That last rotor on the right is the ceramic one. Real practical option for an SUV like the Q5!

My ETKA is updated two days ago.Last updated 956.
No difference in the brakes SQ5 M2013 and MY2014

My mistake on the form of disc brakes for RS.

Rotors are not different between the models, different models only for the RS4 and RS5.
Many Audi models use the same rear brake discs 330x22mm: A4, Avant, S4, quattro, A5, S5, Cabriolet, Coupe, Sportback, A6, Avant, AllRoad, A7 Sportback, A8, S8, Q5 [:)]

SQ5 MY2014

http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee407/junspi/ScreenShot064-3_zpsc921700d.jpg


List of Audi models with the same rear brake discs

http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee407/junspi/brake_zps306fc797.jpg

Believe me, a lot of different models use the same parts [o_o]