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Buckle
02-26-2013, 11:25 AM
I'm looking into getting some coil overs and I don't want to deal with compressing the springs to grab my stock top hats ( or strut mounts if you will) and I can not find anything for the life of me online after looking for over an hour. All I can find is what looks like this;

http://image2.jcwstatics.com/sites/jcwhitney/design/s7/Images/spacer.gif

Nothing that includes the top which will bolt to the chassis. Can anybody help me out? Or am I doomed for compressing and using my stock ones?

Thanks

Seerlah
02-26-2013, 01:41 PM
Once you have the strut mount on the top hat just bolts on. There is a nut that goes through the middle of the strut mount and this is what keeps the coil compressed. I placed on my coilovers without removing my top hat (stayed bolted to the car, along with upper CAs and tie rod).

http://www.034motorsport.com/chassis-components-audi-a4s4a6s6-strut-mount-front-density-line-b5-a4s4-c6-a6s6rs6-a8-p-18318.html (or get the cheaper stock unit)

Buckle
02-26-2013, 01:49 PM
That's cool, but my new coilovers have no tophats.

walky_talky20
02-26-2013, 01:51 PM
If we are talking about the front suspension, it is a multi-piece affair:

Washer: http://www.ecstuning.com/Search/4D0_412_369_A/ES11943/
Upper Spring Seat: http://www.ecstuning.com/Search/ES8195/ES8195/
Upper Mount: http://www.ecstuning.com/Search/4D0_412_377_F/ES2549764/

As you can see, the only part of that equation that has any aftermarket support at all is the 3rd item: the mount. All the rest is Dealer Only (read: $$$), which is why 100% of people break down the factory suspension to harvest those items, 100% of the time.

The rear suspension on the quattro models is basically the same story (with much less spring pre-load!).

Seerlah
02-26-2013, 01:54 PM
That's cool, but my new coilovers have no tophats.

I know. They never come with them. Do you know how your suspension is configured?

Buckle
02-26-2013, 01:56 PM
Front is correct. ^^^You sir are very helpful.

Exactly what I was looking for;
http://c1552172.r72.cf0.rackcdn.com/23577_x600.jpg

I wanted to avoid dealing with the hassle of compressing my stock ones to get the hats off, but to save $120 I'll deal with the hassle.

Seerlah
02-26-2013, 01:59 PM
That is not the top hat or strut mount. That is the coil spring seat.

Buckle
02-26-2013, 02:00 PM
Is that not what bolts it to the chassis?

Seerlah
02-26-2013, 02:05 PM
Both the top hat and that coil spring seat do. The coil seat is held in by 2 nuts that hide under plugs in the engine bay. The top hat bolts are those bigger bolts in the engine bay easily seen. These 2 (seat and hat) are not bolted together, but rather rest on each others. They bolt to the vehicle sovereign from each others.

Buckle
02-26-2013, 02:07 PM
I would need all 3 basically. I'll deal with the hassle regardless.

Seerlah
02-26-2013, 02:14 PM
No, you don't. Leave your top hat (the triangle shaped part that your CAs are attached to) bolted to the car. No need to remove this at all. Don't even touch your pinch bolt or tie rod. Remove the plugs that reveal the nuts for your coil spring seat and take your struts/springs out that way (remove those 2 nuts, remove your sway bar link from the CA and leave it bolted to the sway bar, drop your lower CA that the strut sits on from the sub frame end and leave the knuckle end bolted in, and it will slide right out). You really don't want to buy 2 coil seats and 2 top hats.

Buckle
02-26-2013, 02:18 PM
1. What's the CA's?

2. Is this not what I want to do since the new coils don't come with any? (below)
http://www.audiworld.com/tech/pics/wheel28-front16.jpg

New Coils (not the ones I'm buying, just 1st picture from google);
http://image.eurotuner.com/f/news/eurp_1202_raceland_audi_coilovers/36035581+w620/eurp-1202-01+raceland-audi-coilovers+cover.jpg

BaseDrifter
02-26-2013, 02:19 PM
When I replaced my front suspension I opted not to remove the two painted plugs covering the spring seat bolts (purely for aesthetic reasons.) I unbolted the 3 bolts holding the shock mount to the body, dropped it an inch or two and that gave me the clearance to get to the two smaller bolts.

walky_talky20
02-26-2013, 02:23 PM
Both the top hat and that coil spring seat do. The coil seat is held in by 2 nuts that hide under plugs in the engine bay. The top hat bolts are those bigger bolts in the engine bay easily seen. These 2 (seat and hat) are not bolted together, but rather rest on each others. They bolt to the vehicle sovereign from each others.

Actually, they are bolted together. The "plugs" in the engine bay merely give direct access to the nuts which hold the spring seat to the upper suspension bracket ("hat"). You can see in this photo how those nuts are just attaching it to the upper bracket:

http://home.comcast.net/~hhong4/images/KMAC/camberkit08.jpg
*Note: This photo is showing a B5 Passat upper bracket, which is steel. The A4's use one made of aluminum instead.

He would still need to break down the spring/shock assembly using a compressor in order to harvest the upper spring seats, washers, and rubber mounts.


When I replaced my front suspension I opted not to remove the two painted plugs covering the spring seat bolts (purely for aesthetic reasons.)

Same here.

Seerlah
02-26-2013, 02:27 PM
Didn't thing about it. Whoops.

Buckle
02-26-2013, 02:34 PM
looks like I won't go this route

walky_talky20
02-26-2013, 02:43 PM
Yep. Just break it down and harvest the stuff. Like I said: 100% of people. Resistance is futile.

Buckle
02-26-2013, 02:55 PM
http://blogs.sfu.ca/departments/continuingstudies/wiredreporter/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Borg1.jpg

silverman
02-26-2013, 03:18 PM
^^^ HAH!

Sifi references are the best.

ECS Tuning-Audi
02-27-2013, 12:34 PM
It's really not all that much more work. Just compress the springs enough to take the tension off the top spring seat and loosen the center nut. You wont need to use a spring compressor on the coilovers since the springs are much shorter and wont compress until they're loaded up with the weight of the car. Or you'll have helper springs that you can easily push down with your own two hands.

Jason

b5a4gt28
02-28-2013, 09:37 AM
I can get a set like I have before for a guy local to me. If its something you're serious about I can get both front ones for $45 and they are used.