(Firefox250's) - HTA3073 Build

[Firefox250]

Hey another Coloradoan build! My name is Carl and like everyone on AZ I went going BT. Here are some pictures and my current status.

Current picture April 2015
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/09/d9ec625894c7b51a1eff2e40476f9850.jpg

Current modifications:

Engine/Transmissions:
•United Motorsport Stage 3 custom Golf R tune
•ARD top mount Exhaust Manifold
•Forced Performance HTA3073 turbo
•Tial .63 A/R housing
•IE CNC Ported cylinder head w/ 1mm Ferrea over-sized valves
•Integrated Engineering Intake Manifold
•Custom 3" exhaust with Vibrant resonator and mufflers
•Tial MVS wastegate
•Tial QRJ DV
•IE Billet Adjustable Camshaft Gear
•Integrated Engineering 144x20 Connecting Rods
•JE pistons 83mm w/ 9.5:1 Compression ratio
•AWE Front Mount Intercooler
•APR High Pressure Fuel Pump
•RS4 Injectors
•HPFPupgrade 145lbs. Pressure Rail Valve
•Bluewater Performance modified LPFP
•Integrated Engineering Ultimate Rod install kit
•Calico rod bearings
•ARP Head Studs
•ARP Main Studs
•ARP Tower bolts
•Integrated Engineering Dowel pin Kit
•Fluidampr
•JHM 4:1 Center Differential
•Clutch Masters FX400 02025-HDCL
•Clutch Masters flywheel FW-025-SF
•USP Metal Slave with Stainless steel line
•Apikol Snub Mount
•Apikol Transmission Mount
•Apikol Rear differential Mount
•034 Street density engine Mounts
•IE Catch Can

Suspension/Brakes:
•Stasis Street Sport Coilovers
•034 Rear Sway Bar
•034 Adjustable end links
•Stern Adjustable Upper Control Arms
•StopTech ST-60 355mm BBK (Front)
•Power Slots Slotted rotors (Rears)
•Hawks HPS brake pads (Rear)
•Goodridge Stainless Steel lines (Rear)

Other:
•RS4 Cluster
•RS4 Front seats
•RS4 Pedals
•RS4 Shifter Boot
•Bi-xenon's with Clear Corners lens
•S-line front bumper w/ titanium grill

Future Plans:
•Water/methanol




I Bought the Audi in October 2009 in upstate NY, when I was stationed in Jacksonville, FL.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h198/Aderlinrsx03/iphonepic010_zpsc925f977.jpg

After a month of ownership and I found some used RS4 reps while rocking 4x4 status
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h198/Aderlinrsx03/iphonepic0153_zps08a308cf.jpg

My last day in the Navy (2010)
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h198/Aderlinrsx03/DSC05222_zps8527a1c5.jpg

Moved back to Colorado and installed some Stasis SS coilovers
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h198/Aderlinrsx03/IMG_0741_zpsb25c86a8.jpg

With the very generous help of Mec, we installed Fly's Bi-xenon, PRV, and a AWE FMIC
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h198/Aderlinrsx03/photo-24.jpg

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h198/Aderlinrsx03/pic1.jpg

Dyno Day, and it left me wanting MOAR!!
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h198/Aderlinrsx03/Dyno1.jpg
226 AWHP/ 271 TQ corrected

Now the car is at Blue Water Performance getting IE Rods amd JE pistons and a bunch of other parts!
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h198/Aderlinrsx03/clutchflywheel_zps48908194.jpg

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h198/Aderlinrsx03/Auto-xparts_zps44c138aa.jpg

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h198/Aderlinrsx03/20130219_115915_zps603fdd38.jpg

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h198/Aderlinrsx03/20130220_174227_zpse4a02812.jpg

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h198/Aderlinrsx03/20130220_174214_zps06dc2582.jpg
As of 02/23/12 this is how the car is sitting. Waiting for the block to come back from the machine shop.

The Audi will be getting:
IE 144X20 Rods
83mm JE pistons with a 9.5:1 CR
Ultimate Rod install kit
ARP Head Stud kit
ARP Main Stud Kit
Dowel pin Kit
Machine shop: Bore the block and plane the head, Valve job, carbon clean.
Fluidampr
JHM 4:1 Diff
Stage III clutch
Clutch Masters flywheel
USP Metal Slave w/ SS line
Apikol Trans Mount
Apikol Rear diff Mount
034 Street density engine Mounts

[drumnjuny]

Awesome!!! And a long time coming for you. I'm stoked to see what you can do with the k03 over the next couple months [up]

[Operator]

Things are looking good!!! Shoot me a pm sometime, all these trips to Denver, and we've yet to meet up, shameful!!!

[seal66]

About damn time you put a build up. Man I am excited for you on this. Can't wait to see what all that does to the car even with the little ko3 there still.

[Flexcj5]

Nice work, should be a good build, very similar to mine. If you need a torque plate for boring the motor we've got one being passed around.

[Operator]

It's a good thing your "goal" is an EFR, as those baddies are dang near on eternal backorder.

[Firefox250]

Things are looking good!!! Shoot me a pm sometime, all these trips to Denver, and we've yet to meet up, shameful!!!

Dave, are talking to Arjun or me? I've met you twice now. Thank you for the complements.

[Firefox250]

Nice work, should be a good build, very similar to mine. If you need a torque plate for boring the motor we've got one being passed around.

Hey thanks Flex, I'm actually have a machine shop Bore, plane, my engine.

[Firefox250]

It's a good thing your "goal" is an EFR, as those baddies are dang near on eternal backorder.

Are all the EFR turbos on back order? I'm hoping to buy the RAI Red label kit by the Fall 13'.

[Flexcj5]

No problem man, one thing to consider if you plan on going to a much bigger turbo you may want to go ahead with boring to 83.5 and doing pistons/rods at the same time. Its easier to do all at once.

[Operator]

Dave, are talking to Arjun or me? I've met you twice now. Thank you for the complements.

I know, but for being in the same town we need to kick off a monthly thing at least!! Rist Canyon is calling us!

[Operator]

Are all the EFR turbos on back order? I'm hoping to buy the RAI Red label kit by the Fall 13'.

Excecpt for the smallest one (6258). And the one you'll really want (7163) won't be avail until the Fall at the earliest. If you can put off the turbo until Early 14' I think it'll be there for you.

[Firefox250]

No problem man, one thing to consider if you plan on going to a much bigger turbo you may want to go ahead with boring to 83.5 and doing pistons/rods at the same time. Its easier to do all at once.

I was wonder about that, but how much would that change the car, with just running a K03? What does the compression ration change to? What pistons are you going with?

[mec]

I was wonder about that, but how much would that change the car, with just running a K03? What does the compression ration change to? What pistons are you going with?

Looking forward to this!!! Definitely sub'd!


I'm a bit confused though. You said you are getting drop-in rods but also you are getting bored? To my knowledge there aren't any pistons for the FSI that work with drop in rods. I may be wrong but definitely look into piston rod combo's before you go further. I ran into a similar issue.

Integrated will sell you 1 of 3
1.) Drop in rods - for use with only stock pistons
2.) H beam rods - capable of 700hp and works with aftermarket pistons
3.) I beam rods(tuscan) - capable of over 1000hp and works with aftermarket pistons.


#1 has the same design as #2, the differentiating factor is that #1 has a tapered entry where the rod connects to the piston. If you look at a stock piston, the area where it connects to the stock rod is not exactly a flat fit, it is more like a wedge, this is why our stock rods are also wedge shaped to fit. Most Piston manufacturers use a square entry, meaning not shaped for a wedge entry, which means that drop in rods will not work with aftermarket pistons.

What it means is that if you choose:
#1 : you can only run stock pistons, or you will have to get new rods and pistons.
#2 : You will have to buy the rods and pistons because stock pistons won't work in a #2 rod.
#3 : Same as #2, but with more strength, and also has rifle drilling for extra oiling to the bearings.

Not sure what you did and we haven't spoke in a while, but I hope you did your research! I ran into quite a lot of problems fitting my wossners into IE's tuscan rods because I was not prepared. Luckily Wossner had shipped me incorrectly labeled pistons and everything worked out beautifully in the end.

[Flexcj5]

I was wonder about that, but how much would that change the car, with just running a K03? What does the compression ration change to? What pistons are you going with?

You might notice less power with the k03 because of a slightly lower (9.5to1) compression ratio. With a lower ratio you can push the turbo harder. Im going to be breaking my motor in with a k04, then swapping up to something bigger.

Drop in rods will only work with stock pistons, if youre boring the block instead of just honing it, you will need new pistons and rods. I went with mahle pistons and IE rods.

[Firefox250]

My bad guys, I meant hone. Since I will be running a K03 until I get a bigger turbo, I'll stick with just drop-in-rods. Maybe upgrade the valve train next time.

[flyingfish2626]

Would love to meet another Fort Collins Audi nut.

[Operator]

Would love to meet another Fort Collins Audi nut.

What are you two up to on Sat.

[Firefox250]

Would love to meet another Fort Collins Audi nut.


What are you two up to on Sat.

I'd be down to meet up. I'll be driving my awesome civic though.

Side note, change of plans I'll be putting in IE 144X20 Rods and 83mm JE pistons with a 9.5:1 CR and boring the block.

[drumnjuny]

[:p] that's how it starts!!!! all you need now is valvetrain and you're ready to shoot for the stars! haha so funny, exactly the same thing happened to me.

[mec]

[:p] that's how it starts!!!! all you need now is valvetrain and you're ready to shoot for the stars! haha so funny, exactly the same thing happened to me.

if you do valvetrain you gotta delete that balance shaft shit too ;)

[Firefox250]

^^ Exactly. This whole build is based on "oh since you are doing this you might as well put this other part in".

This stage of the build is as far as I can go without blowing through my contingency budget.

[Firefox250]

Got some MOAR parts in!

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/06/ahu5eqy7.jpg

[mec]

^they are so small!!! lol

What ARP's are those?

[Firefox250]

^they are so small!!! lol

What ARP's are those?

They are Cam tower bolts.

[ericpaulyoung]

I don't think cam tower, as the shoulders On them won't fit the three bolts nearest the vacuum pump.
Eric

[Firefox250]

I don't think cam tower, as the shoulders On them won't fit the three bolts nearest the vacuum pump.
Eric

There are, I just called to confirm. I wonder if the three bolts in the middle of the package are the specificity ment to go near the vacuum pump?

[drumnjuny]

interesting

[mec]

I hate that integrated called them that! Cam girdle bolts sounds so much more appropriate. I bought three sets of these bolts, definitely could have used some reusable ARP's if I knew they existed.

[drumnjuny]

yeah haha i remember having that conversation like whaaa?

[ericpaulyoung]

Pull them out and check for us. I like them!

[Firefox250]

Excecpt for the smallest one (6258). And the one you'll really want (7163) won't be avail until the Fall at the earliest. If you can put off the turbo until Early 14' I think it'll be there for you.

Operator you have me intrigued. I really hope I can get a EFR 7163 now!

[Operator]

Operator you have me intrigued. I really hope I can get a EFR 7163 now!

Yeh, it's the best of both worlds!!!!! Ideally the best EFR for our car!!!! Better find a shop to get 1st in line with though. AGP, Full-Race, RAI, and I think Treadstone would be good places to start.

[Firefox250]

I really appreciate your input Dave! I'll email those companies to see if they can help me.

[ericpaulyoung]

EFR are for girly men. Real men run GTX!

$$

[mec]

EFR are for girly men. Real men run GTX!

$$

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[Operator]

http://sedition.com/img/s/f/y/sedition-fuck-yeah.png


EFR's are the Shizzzille

Truth!!!!

[mec]

EFR are for manly girls. Real men run GTX!

$$

And pick up your posters Dave!

[mec]

I feel like everyone is under the impression that the gtx won't work under 20 psi, but to be fair, at 20 psi a gtx will blow a k03 out of the water. The issue is that a gtx is most efficient at higher boost such as 25psi, that's where the juice starts flowing, but the turbo is solid, it's still will put down a good amount of power below 25 psi. Much more than any k03 would. It's not like the CHRA is just frozen until 25psi builds, its all progressive.

[ericpaulyoung]

The thing people miss is that the GTX isn't just more efficient at higher boost levels, check the compressor charts, it is more efficient EVERYWHERE.

:)

[Operator]

The thing people miss is that the GTX isn't just more efficient at higher boost levels, check the compressor charts, it is more efficient EVERYWHERE.

:)

Says you...... I won't derail his thread with back and forth. But I'm happy you like your GTX. But I've done my own research enough to know that if I take another step-up, it'll be EFR hands down.

[ericpaulyoung]

This is the famous comparison of the GT2871 and a GTX2863




http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/w381/ericpaulyoung/gtx2863rvsgt2871r.jpg

[mec]

The thing people miss is that the GTX isn't just more efficient at higher boost levels, check the compressor charts, it is more efficient EVERYWHERE.

:)

Any luck on those valves?

When are you making a How to Maestro guide?

[ericpaulyoung]

Ah, I was saying the GTX was better everywhere compared to the GT. I wasn't saying better than EFR

My bad.




Still EFR = Girlcar ;-)

[ericpaulyoung]

Ya, stopped by the shop this morning. Two intake valves were definely being cooked. Don't know if they need replacement yet. Will stop by tonight and see if they are done.

Eric

[Operator]

Still EFR = Girlcar ;-)

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-DT3dl_SaM_0/T_nQxlaR3II/AAAAAAAADjk/nTDak_DD7hg/s1600/Haters-gonna-hate-7.gif

[ericpaulyoung]

It's a joke Operator! Geeze :) I am a big fan of the EFR, though I do question it's ability to walk on water or "blow away" a similarly configured GTX car. We are in great times right now with having a choice with both the GTX and EFR available to us. I definitely would not get on a waiting list for months just to get an EFR over a GTX though.

[Operator]

It's a joke Operator! Geeze :) I am a big fan of the EFR, though I do question it's ability to walk on water or "blow away" a similarly configured GTX car. We are in great times right now with having a choice with both the GTX and EFR available to us. I definitely would not get on a waiting list for months just to get an EFR over a GTX though.

Uh..... I took it as a joke, I saw the smiley emo-cons and got the e-sarcasm. Thus my gif above, that I've thought was funny for quite some time..... And I've been on these forums long enough to know everyone has their preference. Some prefer GTX, some EFR's, some Precision, some Comp Turbo, some Holset, some PSI Concepts, etc....... And to me it'd be a turbo worth waiting for. But that's my preference.......

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[ericpaulyoung]

Bro fist bump :)

You have to forgive me; I fail interwebs daily!

[Firefox250]

Oh how [az] hahaha!

I need a to wait 6-8 months just to save up for a Turbo upgrade anyway.

[Firefox250]

Saw this as a comparison

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/07/rena4ada.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/07/avy9amun.jpg

Source: http://blog.perrinperformance.com/borg-warner-efr-7163-test-and-tune/

[ericpaulyoung]

I like the green line better. Which one is that?

[Firefox250]

I like the green line better. Which one is that?

Sorry it took awhile to load the images

[ericpaulyoung]

They look similar enough that you may not tell the difference unless on a dyno.



http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/w381/ericpaulyoung/464BA305-341B-4BE4-8835-AE2470EBEEEB-8402-0000077B0D04DDAD_zps732af9b2.jpg

[ericpaulyoung]

That is to say they both looke awesome ! :)

[drumnjuny]

transitive boost comparison diagram prease

[ericpaulyoung]

I like the green line better. Which one is that?

In that graph I like the EFR response better.

[ericpaulyoung]

http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/w381/ericpaulyoung/464BA305-341B-4BE4-8835-AE2470EBEEEB-8402-0000077B0D04DDAD_zps732af9b2.jpg



In this graph I like the GTX response better. Really is a toss up between them.


Eric

[mec]

The gtx will take a better beating than the efr though.

[drumnjuny]

The gtx will take a better beating than the efr though.

true story? i beat on my bitch daily

[ericpaulyoung]

I like them both.

[Operator]

The gtx will take a better beating than the efr though.

Not to continue this much longer..... But we know this because of the abundent amount of cars pushing EFR's?!? BW made our K03's which take quite the beating at StageI, II, II+ levels. And the K04's that the Golf R and TTS, S3, etc... beat on. And their EFR's were designed for the Indy car circuit (not saying the commercial ones are the same) where I believe they get a pretty good beating. Like I said, it's all preference. Not nearly enough info out there to say one is clearly better than the other. Either turbo I'm sure will leave a smile on the owners face!!!

[Firefox250]

transitive boost comparison diagram prease

I haven't seen one yet, but I'll keep looking.

I wanted an EFR since I saw Fordyoz (Andrew) get one. Its just something different, and I agree with Operator statement above.

[ericpaulyoung]

Potato potato!!

[Operator]

Tamato, tamato!!

[Firefox250]

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/5366038784/h1D77DCB9/

[mec]

But the brunette is scrappier and beats the shit out of the blonde one

[ericpaulyoung]

http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/w381/ericpaulyoung/69CF5F6C-739D-4D87-9C0C-FEF9953679E7-8666-0000079D9C8DB919_zps48f9a062.jpg

[ericpaulyoung]

http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/w381/ericpaulyoung/85AA40C0-606F-4606-BC72-75756AE8EB49-8666-0000079DA3B24214_zpseed633a3.jpg

[ericpaulyoung]

Pretty clear; at least for the 30 series, the GTX provides quicker power but the EFR picks up on the back end real solid.
Eric

[jsandor91]

thought this was a interesting comparison a standard 3076 with .64
i think a gtx3071r would be interesting to see how it compares to the 7163

http://blog.perrinperformance.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/efr7163vsgt30766317bar.jpg

[Operator]

Pretty clear; at least for the 30 series, the GTX provides quicker power but the EFR picks up on the back end real solid.
Eric

Not when compared to the 7163, which is what I recommended to Carl.

And even still these results aren't black and white. Especially when dealing with our cars. The test car was a 2.5l. Which can factor in on how each turbo will respond to our cars. Also not the main thread, but even here some question the testing methods: http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1643932

All that and even the tester said:


My conclusions are this. The dyno conclusions do not match what I "feel" on the road. On the road, I feel like this is much more lively than the GT or GTX3076R. Its interesting as in some road tests the EFR7670 shows the same spool up RPM as the GTX3076 w.82ar, but it feels so much snappier between shifts light load low RPM shifts. Meaning the normal day to day 2000-4000RPM shifting is about 50% better than it was before. In some logs I notice that the GTX would show say 2-3psi of boost at these really low RPM's, where the EFR is showing about 5psi. Its only a couple PSI but that makes huge difference in how it feels. You can see this on the dyno graphs where the EFR is making more TQ at 2000-2500.


Again, both turbos are great options for the B7. From the amount of GTX builds you can see it's a popular option, and will provide the results most are looking for.

[ericpaulyoung]

I love the low end performance, so if I was rolling with a large frame build, I would definitely go EFR. For mid frame builds like my GTX2863, the thing already starts building boost at 2k. So I don't think you can get faster then that. Wouldn't mind trying though. :)
Eric

[drumnjuny]

they are very similar for the same size turbo i agree you'd have to be looking at a map to feel the difference. i never argued that!! but the EFR's transient boost response is unparalleled

[Firefox250]

More in process pictures!

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/08/yhagybys.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/08/yhysemyq.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/08/gype3era.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/08/7e9y9u7a.jpg

[ericpaulyoung]

Those billet main caps?

[mec]

Those billet main caps?

too small to tell. Hopefully not. Unless he lost his caps or they were damaged there is no reason to buy them.

I'm pretty sure They are the stocker's with mahle/vandervall race main bearings.


edit: big picture

http://www.audizine.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=16671&d=1362702720

[mec]

I love the low end performance, so if I was rolling with a large frame build, I would definitely go EFR. For mid frame builds like my GTX2863, the thing already starts building boost at 2k. So I don't think you can get faster then that. Wouldn't mind trying though. :)
Eric

Enter the garret gt2252
http://www.theboombopshop.com/v/vspfiles/photos/garrett/GT2252-C.jpg

[Firefox250]

Those billet main caps?

Nope just stocker caps with CALICO COATED ACL RACE MAIN BEARING

[mec]

Nope just stocker caps with CALICO COATED ACL RACE MAIN BEARING

no need to yell ;)

[Firefox250]

Whooops, didn't mean that. A quick copy and paste from IE website

[ericpaulyoung]

Enter the garret gt2252
http://www.theboombopshop.com/v/vspfiles/photos/garrett/GT2252-C.jpg

I see the first every twin turbo 4 cylinder ! :)

[CorneliusRox]

Someone just get a gid ass turbo and put it over the K03 and compound please! Very cool temps, lots of up top power.

[Firefox250]

I finally got the Audi back yesterday! Wow what a different car it is now. DRAKES-PERFORMANCE Clutch has an awesome feel, and the clutch engages really quick. The clutch pedal feels a lot stiffer now because the USP metal slave and SS line. Ive been only able to slowly accelerate and then let off the throttle to properly get the new piston rings to set. On my hour and half trip back home I saw boost peak and hold at 20psi, but I only went to 5k. The engine defiantly has a different sound now, I can't wait to drop the hammer in 500 miles. Gabe, Ben, and Hollywood at Blue water performance did an awesome job! Now I just wish I could get a EFR turbo for this built motor. Keep a look out for Blue water Performance there are about to become huge! They are the only IE wholesaler in Colorado.

16722

On a side note my DD civic decided to act up literally on the exit ramp to BWP. It gave me a MIL for P0302, which is misfire in in cylinder 2. I hoping its just a faulty spark plug.

[Firefox250]

Oh I forgot to add, after 300 miles I have to go back down to have the ARP studs retighten and have the oil changed. I also realized there is a bumper gap, so I'll take it off and fix it.

[mec]

You'll have to check your arps a few times. It's recommended after a few heat cycles. You can do it yourself though. Pop the valve cover off, and then tighten all 10 nuts to 80Nm using a 12pt 12mm socket. Goodbye polydrive

[Firefox250]

Good to know thanks, and I'll go get some polydrives.

[mec]

Good to know thanks, and I'll go get some polydrives.

No you don't need a Polydrive socket anymore. That's what the stock bolts use. Arp nuts use a 12mm 12pt socket.

[mec]

Good to know thanks, and I'll go get some polydrives.

Duplicate post

[Firefox250]

No you don't need a Polydrive socket anymore. That's what the stock bolts use. Arp nuts use a 12mm 12pt socket.

Ooops.

Mec 2, Carl 0

[ericpaulyoung]

I never did recheck my ARP bolts. Will do this next time around though for good measure.

Eric

[seal66]

damn carl about time. I can't wait to do some runs against your car to see how much it has changed now. Good to hear it is running good

[Firefox250]

damn carl about time. I can't wait to do some runs against your car to see how much it has changed now. Good to hear it is running good

Is your car done yet?

[seal66]

Is your car done yet?

Lets not talk about my car.... its depressing.

[Operator]

Let me know if you want to cruise next Sat. I plan to take some vids, so let me know!

[seal66]

Wait, you are going to cruise with fox and not invite me! Ill be in town next week from wednesday night to the following tuesday

[Operator]

You're not up in FoCO.

[seal66]

So, you of all people know I will drive where ever for a drive lol

[Firefox250]

I'd be down for a cruise! I need to put some milage on the Audi.

[seal66]

lets do it. I am tagging along whether you like it or not lol

[mec]

Bro efr it right now!

[Firefox250]

Dude I know, but I have two things against me. 1.) credit card is close to being maxed out and 2.) EFR turbos are unavailable till end of April. Full-race told me the 7163 will be released in June/July so hopefully they will have some in stock by then. Maybe Blue Water Performance could help me.

[ericpaulyoung]

EFR not much different from GTX.



Really; that is pure truth. Don't listen to the propaganda too much.

[mec]

Let me know if you need install help. Installing turbos is a good time

[Firefox250]

DRAKES Performance clutch feels awesome with early engagement and stiffness of the pedal with the SS lines on the metal slave. I should of put this set up on a long time ago! 200 miles on the new set up so far.

As for the turbo decision I'm going to stay with EFR. I need to save anyway and by the time the 7163 comes out I'll have the money for one.

[mec]

I assume drakes and vast are similar. Mine has ridiculous engagement. Lift like .25" and it's already engaging

[Firefox250]

Yep mine has the same engagement point. How many miles have you put on your new set up?

[mec]

Yep mine has the same engagement point. How many miles have you put on your new set up?

67miles. Lol I want to drive more but it's had a massive oil leak from my oil cooler, and a coolant leak from the turbo inlet and outlet. I replaced everything wit aero quip fittings and I'm going to go on a 500 mi drive so hopefully it's all good!

[drumnjuny]

haha. trust me on this one: take plenty of extra oil & coolant

[Firefox250]

Ohhh yeah look what I snagged last night, Front driver and passenger Black leather RS4 seats!

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h198/Aderlinrsx03/c5835745-a173-47b0-9c2c-daf1f1f1f155_zpsbb463d98.jpg

I only saved one picture before the seller took down the add, but I'll take more when both seats are installed.

[drumnjuny]

nice snag!! looks like its in great condition [up]

[Operator]

Ohhh yeah look what I snagged last night, Black leather RS4 front seat!

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h198/Aderlinrsx03/c5835745-a173-47b0-9c2c-daf1f1f1f155_zpsbb463d98.jpg

I only saved one picture before the seller took down the add, but I'll take more when both seats are installed.

Make me feel even worse........ How much did you get it for?

[Firefox250]

Make me feel even worse........ How much did you get it for?

$1200, did you see the add last night?

The EFR turbo is going to have to wait till January because the credit card is maxed out now, so I need to save up.

[mec]

$1200, did you see the add last night?

The EFR turbo is going to have to wait till January because the credit card is maxed out now, so I need to save up.

Wait it's just one seat?

[drumnjuny]

he got both fronts

[Firefox250]

The RS4 seats are on there way to me. Damn seats are heavy, 178lbs total shipping weight.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/04/04/a5aze7y3.jpg

[mec]

Why is the palate oily?

[Firefox250]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/04/14/zamede3a.jpg

Whelp I got the front RS4 seats in and VAG-COM'd the car the clear the Air bag light (Thank you Seal66), and I was curious if I need to recode the RS4 seats? Will the ECU adapt to the new seats? I tried to access each air bag and I kept getting ERROR Not Accessible.

Here is the fault:

02511 - Control Module for Seat Occupied Recognition (J706)
005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation - MIL ON
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 11100101
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Mileage: 1048575 km
Time Indication: 0

[seal66]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/04/14/zamede3a.jpg

Whelp I got the front RS4 seats in and VAG-COM'd the car the clear the Air bag light (Thank you Seal66), and I was curious if I need to recode the RS4 seats? Will the ECU adapt to the new seats? I tried to access each air bag and I kept getting ERROR Not Accessible.

Here is the fault:

02511 - Control Module for Seat Occupied Recognition (J706)
005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation - MIL ON
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 11100101
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Mileage: 1048575 km
Time Indication: 0

The seats look great man. No worries on the cable. I have not recoded seats yet so I can not help you on that one.

http://www.ross-tech.com/vag-com/cars/airbag-coding.html

you can try reading this page.

[flyingfish2626]

So jealous of those seats. Worst part of my car right now. Glad you got your car back.

[Firefox250]

So jealous of those seats. Worst part of my car right now. Glad you got your car back.

Thank you, yeah I got stupid lucky finding these seats. I've been stalking the B7 S4/RS4 classified section since I joined to get these seats. I defiantly agree A4 stock seats are HORRIBLE for anything other than just go straight. As expensive as these seat are, this modification should of been one of the first on list to do. It feels like a completely different car now. We all put in this money into the car but not are own comfort.

Fixed the Air bag light issue too, thanks to Glissoar
http://http://nickscarblog.com/diy/how-to-install-b6-s4-recaro-seats-into-a-b7-a4-with-no-airbag-warning-light

[flyingfish2626]

Glad you got the air bag issue figured out. Just picked up my avant from the shop after some coilovers. We need to go for a drive.

[Firefox250]

Glad you got the air bag issue figured out. Just picked up my avant from the shop after some coilovers. We need to go for a drive.

Sounds like a plan. Do you want to go to the CUSCC show this Sunday?

[Operator]

I keep telling myself I'm done. And in my opinion, the OEM seats are just fine, but the more and more I see people put in Recaro's and RS4 seats the more you guys push me to spend more money. Not to mention the BBK troll that keeps knocking on my garage door!!!!!!!!!

[Firefox250]

Here's a much needed update. I've been patiently waiting for Borg Warner to release the EFR 7163, and I was told by Full-Race.com that it would be June/July. So I called Full Race yesterday and talked to a tech rep to see even if a 7163 is possible for my bottom end built motor. Also Borg Warner has this neat tool called Matchbot (http://www.turbodriven.com/performanceturbos/matchbot/index.html#version=1.2&displacement=2&CID=122.04&altitude=500&baro=14.502&aat=75&turboconfig=1&compressor=70s75&pt1_rpm=2000&pt1_ve=85&pt1_boost=5&pt1_ie=99&pt1_filres=0.08&pt1_ipd=0.2&pt1_mbp=0.5&pt1_ce=66&pt1_te=75&pt1_egt=1550&pt1_ter=1.18&pt1_pw=NaN&pt1_bsfc=0.43&pt1_afr=11.5&pt1_wts=300&pt1_wd=83&pt1_wd2=74&pt1_wrsin=69033&pt2_rpm=3000&pt2_ve=95&pt2_boost=10&pt2_ie=95&pt2_filres=0.1&pt2_ipd=0.2&pt2_mbp=1&pt2_ce=70&pt2_te=73&pt2_egt=1600&pt2_ter=1.36&pt2_pw=NaN&pt2_bsfc=0.45&pt2_afr=11.5&pt2_wts=320&pt2_wd=83&pt2_wd2=74&pt2_wrsin=73635&pt3_rpm=4000&pt3_ve=100&pt3_boost=15&pt3_ie=95&pt3_filres=0.12&pt3_ipd=0.3&pt3_mbp=1.3&pt3_ce=74&pt3_te=72&pt3_egt=1650&pt3_ter=1.61&pt3_pw=NaN&pt3_bsfc=0.48&pt3_afr=11.5&pt3_wts=340&pt3_wd=83&pt3_wd2=74&pt3_wrsin=78238&pt4_rpm=5000&pt4_ve=100&pt4_boost=17&pt4_ie=92&pt4_filres=0.15&pt4_ipd=0.4&pt4_mbp=1.5&pt4_ce=76&pt4_te=71&pt4_egt=1650&pt4_ter=1.81&pt4_pw=NaN&pt4_bsfc=0.5&pt4_afr=11.5&pt4_wts=368&pt4_wd=83&pt4_wd2=74&pt4_wrsin=84681&pt5_rpm=6000&pt5_ve=105&pt5_boost=17&pt5_ie=90&pt5_filres=0.18&pt5_ipd=0.5&pt5_mbp=1.8&pt5_ce=72&pt5_te=70&pt5_egt=1650&pt5_ter=1.98&pt5_pw=NaN&pt5_bsfc=0.52&pt5_afr=11.5&pt5_wts=400&pt5_wd=83&pt5_wd2=74&pt5_wrsin=92044&pt6_rpm=7000&pt6_ve=105&pt6_boost=17&pt6_ie=90&pt6_filres=0.2&pt6_ipd=0.6&pt6_mbp=2&pt6_ce=66&pt6_te=70&pt6_egt=1650&pt6_ter=2.18&pt6_pw=NaN&pt6_bsfc=0.55&pt6_afr=11.5&pt6_wts=400&pt6_wd=83&pt6_wd2=74&pt6_wrsin=92044&) to see what turbo would work for you. Apparently the the EFR 7670 has a similar compressor map as the EFR 7163 or enough to at least get an idea. The tech rep from Full Race took down my spec and punched in a few number and voila, check it out. I'm also going to check with my tuner Gabe from Blue Water Performance on running E85 flex fuel, so that's why this map shows a peak boost of 30 psi.

http://www.turbodriven.com/performanceturbos/matchbot/index.html#version=1.2&displacement=2&CID=122.04&altitude=5000&baro=12.666&aat=80&turboconfig=1&compressor=76s75&pt1_rpm=2000&pt1_ve=85&pt1_boost=2&pt1_ie=99&pt1_filres=0.08&pt1_ipd=0.2&pt1_mbp=0.5&pt1_ce=66&pt1_te=75&pt1_egt=1550&pt1_ter=1.11&pt1_pw=21.24&pt1_bsfc=0.43&pt1_afr=11.5&pt1_wts=300&pt1_wd=83&pt1_wd2=74&pt1_wrsin=69033&pt2_rpm=3000&pt2_ve=95&pt2_boost=8&pt2_ie=95&pt2_filres=0.1&pt2_ipd=0.2&pt2_mbp=1&pt2_ce=70&pt2_te=73&pt2_egt=1600&pt2_ter=1.35&pt2_pw=13.1&pt2_bsfc=0.45&pt2_afr=11.5&pt2_wts=320&pt2_wd=83&pt2_wd2=74&pt2_wrsin=73635&pt3_rpm=4000&pt3_ve=100&pt3_boost=30&pt3_ie=95&pt3_filres=0.12&pt3_ipd=0.3&pt3_mbp=1.3&pt3_ce=74&pt3_te=72&pt3_egt=1650&pt3_ter=2.39&pt3_pw=18.16&pt3_bsfc=0.48&pt3_afr=11.5&pt3_wts=340&pt3_wd=83&pt3_wd2=74&pt3_wrsin=78238&pt4_rpm=5000&pt4_ve=100&pt4_boost=30&pt4_ie=92&pt4_filres=0.15&pt4_ipd=0.4&pt4_mbp=1.5&pt4_ce=76&pt4_te=71&pt4_egt=1650&pt4_ter=2.62&pt4_pw=25.79&pt4_bsfc=0.5&pt4_afr=11.5&pt4_wts=368&pt4_wd=83&pt4_wd2=74&pt4_wrsin=84681&pt5_rpm=6000&pt5_ve=105&pt5_boost=30&pt5_ie=90&pt5_filres=0.18&pt5_ipd=0.5&pt5_mbp=1.8&pt5_ce=72&pt5_te=70&pt5_egt=1650&pt5_ter=3.03&pt5_pw=29.65&pt5_bsfc=0.52&pt5_afr=11.5&pt5_wts=400&pt5_wd=83&pt5_wd2=74&pt5_wrsin=92044&pt6_rpm=7200&pt6_ve=105&pt6_boost=30&pt6_ie=90&pt6_filres=0.2&pt6_ipd=0.6&pt6_mbp=2&pt6_ce=70&pt6_te=66&pt6_egt=1650&pt6_ter=3.49&pt6_pw=30.35&pt6_bsfc=0.55&pt6_afr=11.5&pt6_wts=400&pt6_wd=83&pt6_wd2=74&pt6_wrsin=92044&

Again this is just a guess and I still dont know if I'll be able to run a 7163 or E85, I'm just throwing it out there. I'll know more if/when the 7163 is released.


I've been following this Subaru forum closely about the 7163.
(Clicky) (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2394879&page=17)

[ericpaulyoung]

Damn, 64 lbm/min !!!!

[viperdsa]

Found this a long time ago, they have since made it public and it should give you some good info.
http://blog.perrinperformance.com/borg-warner-efr-7163-test-and-tune/

[Firefox250]

Damn, 64 lbm/min !!!!

Yeah I wish but Geoff from Full Race said at full tilt the 7163 should get up to 60lbs/min and there Evo test car got up to 51lbs/min if I remember correctly. Like I said before, it would be more accurate when the 7163 map comes out.

[Firefox250]

Found this a long time ago, they have since made it public and it should give you some good info.
http://blog.perrinperformance.com/borg-warner-efr-7163-test-and-tune/

Yeah Operator showed me that link last night, good stuff!

Hurry Up Borg Warner!!

[ericpaulyoung]

Ya, I max out at 42 lbm/min in my GTX2863, so 51 sounds damn nice to me!

Eric

[aluthman]

Dude, I'm basically doing your exact build. On the same car... And I wear that same uniform... Fucking weird. Today is my first time looking at your thread too. I'm not an Airdale though [:D]. Did you line hone the main bearing caps with the ARP studs? I think I'm going to, but I'm not sure if it's needed.

[drumnjuny]

^^ this man will butt rape you. stranger danger!!!

[Firefox250]

Dude, I'm basically doing your exact build. On the same car... And I wear that same uniform... Fucking weird. Today is my first time looking at your thread too. I'm not an Airdale though [:D]. Did you line hone the main bearing caps with the ARP studs? I think I'm going to, but I'm not sure if it's needed.

Whoa that's crazy! I think the main bearing caps were honed to fit the ARP studs, but looking back at the pictures it doesn't look like it. Is the KOR just temporary? I just checked out your build page and DUDE you've dropped some major coin!! You need a bigger turbo with what you've done. What an exhaust system? Go 3", I wish I did.

What's your EAOS? I was a 9402 from 2005-2010. Have you ever played cat and mouse with a P-3 Orion?

[aluthman]

I did the underwater portion of the ASW games. I don't recall ever losing to anything but another submarine. I'm a 3356/3376 (nuke) but I get out next April. Maybe EPY can get me a job lol. Yea, the K0R is temporary. I'll go bigger down the road, but I haven't decided what I want yet. It'll be after I get out, finish school and get a job though. I'm going to run with the RAI DP/HFC and the stock catback for a while, but I'll get a catback eventually.

[Firefox250]

Yeah I cant say the P-3 was very good at finding any US subs. As for your Nuke rating, damn, good job man! That's a tough job! Its a whole different world being a civilian again, sometimes I still feel like I'm just on leave, but I've been out for 3 years. At least when you go to school you will get more credits that transfer (depending on your school).

Oh yeah this is what school feels like.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/08/02/uzuhybyj.jpg

[aluthman]

I'm already taking night classes and thats pretty much how it feels. There is a lot of 18-19 y.o. eye candy walking around though.

[Firefox250]

Oh buddy it's starting!!!

http://www.treadstoneperformance.com/product.phtml?p=43888&prodname=%28Pre-Order%29+Borg+Warner+EFR+7163+Turbocharger+400-600+HP

[mec]

Damn Carl, that's a big turbo. I can't remember but thats an entry level b2 turbo right? I thought you would have ended up in a 6758 or a k04 and called it a day.

[Firefox250]

I know but I was told it was a B1 size (same housing as the 6758 but different internal). I'll find out if its even possible.

[mec]

I know but I was told it was a B1 size (same housing as the 6758 but different internal). I'll find out if its even possible.

Hmm that's crazy. I know nothing about efr's but I'm looking forward to a ride :) that must be the biggest b1 then, full spool by 3500ish probably tops out at 5500-6000? What do you estimate?

[Firefox250]

What do you estimate?

A big fucking smile! I'm not sure but I bet it will be a blast to drive!

[seal66]

Ya ya I can be faster than you for a few more months lol.

[mec]

Ya ya I can be faster than you for a few more months lol.

hahah, you're going to have to go BT if you want to keep up with the other Coloradans!

We've got a enough to start a BT gang!

David(atleast for another month)
Carl
Arjun
Joe
Myself
Flyingfish
who am I missing?

[Operator]

I know but I was told it was a B1 size (same housing as the 6758 but different internal). I'll find out if its even possible.


It is.

[Operator]

Hmm that's crazy. I know nothing about efr's but I'm looking forward to a ride :) that must be the biggest b1 then, full spool by 3500ish probably tops out at 5500-6000? What do you estimate?

Should be somewhat inline between the GTX3071 and GTX2867. But with spool similar to the GTX2863. Though if you go off Treadstones specs, it's more on par with the GTX3071. I've read different flow rates though.

[Firefox250]

Comparison dyno today Revo 2+ vs. United Motorsports stage 1. First step in going BT!

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/08/08/eru5ajav.jpg

[jsandor91]

Numbers!?

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2

[seal66]

His number are not bad for a ko3 car with a lower compression ratio for sure.

[Firefox250]

Click on picture for video
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h198/Aderlinrsx03/th_AudiDyno_zps2613c0a7.jpg (http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h198/Aderlinrsx03/AudiDyno_zps2613c0a7.mp4)

UNCORRECTED REVO 2+ vs UNITED MOTORSPORT STAGE 1
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h198/Aderlinrsx03/AudiFSIUncorrected_zps58c37c84.jpg (http://s64.photobucket.com/user/Aderlinrsx03/media/AudiFSIUncorrected_zps58c37c84.jpg.html)

CORRECTED with SAE 1.22% REVO 2+ vs UNITED MOTORSPORT STAGE 1
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h198/Aderlinrsx03/AudiFSIcorrected_zpsfe857a6f.jpg (http://s64.photobucket.com/user/Aderlinrsx03/media/AudiFSIcorrected_zpsfe857a6f.jpg.html)

I was running 91 Octane and elevation was at 5280ft (ish)

Pretty shocked how much of a gain from just a tune! UNITED MOTORSPORT for the win! Thank you Jeff and Blue Water Performance!

[Firefox250]

More good news! Hollywood from Blue Water told me in about 30 days the 7163 should be out. Also matchbot is showing the compressor map for the 7163!

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h198/Aderlinrsx03/EFR7163Matchbot_zpsa8b96b8f.jpg (http://s64.photobucket.com/user/Aderlinrsx03/media/EFR7163Matchbot_zpsa8b96b8f.jpg.html)

http://www.turbodriven.com/performanceturbos/matchbot/index.html#version=1.3&displacement=2&CID=122.04&altitude=500&baro=14.502&aat=75&turboconfig=1&compressor=71x80&pt1_rpm=2000&pt1_ve=85&pt1_boost=5&pt1_ie=99&pt1_filres=0.08&pt1_ipd=0.2&pt1_mbp=0.5&pt1_ce=66&pt1_te=75&pt1_egt=1550&pt1_ter=1.18&pt1_pw=1.89&pt1_bsfc=0.43&pt1_afr=11.5&pt1_wts=300&pt1_wd=83&pt1_wd2=74&pt1_wrsin=69033&pt2_rpm=3000&pt2_ve=95&pt2_boost=10&pt2_ie=95&pt2_filres=0.1&pt2_ipd=0.2&pt2_mbp=1&pt2_ce=70&pt2_te=73&pt2_egt=1600&pt2_ter=1.36&pt2_pw=9.18&pt2_bsfc=0.45&pt2_afr=11.5&pt2_wts=320&pt2_wd=83&pt2_wd2=74&pt2_wrsin=73635&pt3_rpm=4000&pt3_ve=100&pt3_boost=15&pt3_ie=95&pt3_filres=0.12&pt3_ipd=0.3&pt3_mbp=1.3&pt3_ce=74&pt3_te=72&pt3_egt=1650&pt3_ter=1.61&pt3_pw=22.16&pt3_bsfc=0.48&pt3_afr=11.5&pt3_wts=340&pt3_wd=83&pt3_wd2=74&pt3_wrsin=78238&pt4_rpm=5000&pt4_ve=100&pt4_boost=17&pt4_ie=92&pt4_filres=0.15&pt4_ipd=0.4&pt4_mbp=1.5&pt4_ce=76&pt4_te=71&pt4_egt=1650&pt4_ter=1.81&pt4_pw=30.66&pt4_bsfc=0.5&pt4_afr=11.5&pt4_wts=368&pt4_wd=83&pt4_wd2=74&pt4_wrsin=84681&pt5_rpm=6000&pt5_ve=105&pt5_boost=17&pt5_ie=90&pt5_filres=0.18&pt5_ipd=0.5&pt5_mbp=1.8&pt5_ce=72&pt5_te=70&pt5_egt=1650&pt5_ter=1.98&pt5_pw=34.33&pt5_bsfc=0.52&pt5_afr=11.5&pt5_wts=400&pt5_wd=83&pt5_wd2=74&pt5_wrsin=92044&pt6_rpm=7000&pt6_ve=105&pt6_boost=17&pt6_ie=90&pt6_filres=0.2&pt6_ipd=0.6&pt6_mbp=2&pt6_ce=66&pt6_te=70&pt6_egt=1650&pt6_ter=2.18&pt6_pw=36.06&pt6_bsfc=0.55&pt6_afr=11.5&pt6_wts=400&pt6_wd=83&pt6_wd2=74&pt6_wrsin=92044&

[aluthman]

Do you have any regrets about going with a 2618 alloy piston vs a 4032 piston? Do you get any noticeable piston slap when the engine is cold? How many miles do you have since the engine build? I'm starting to second guess my piston choice and need reassurance [:|]

[Firefox250]

Do you have any regrets about going with a 2618 alloy piston vs a 4032 piston? Do you get any noticeable piston slap when the engine is cold? How many miles do you have since the engine build? I'm starting to second guess my piston choice and need reassurance [:|]

I don't have any regrets, and I've never heard any piston slap. I've put on about 2,000 miles since the build. I only drive the car on the weekends. I'll ask my tuner tomorrow if there is a significance difference.

[viperdsa]

Do you happen to remember/have the part number for your wrist pins from JE?

[aluthman]

My wrist pins came with my pistons.

Edit: The only place I found wrist pins by themselves for a 2.0 FSI was APR

https://store.goapr.com/products/APR-Mahle-German-Tool-Steel-Wrist-Pins-%252d-EA113-2.0T-FSI-%252d-20mm.html

They are tool steel Mahle pins, but I don't see why you couldn't use them.

I found some JE wrist pins on ebay that were 20mm, but I'm not sure if the length is right. That and they are sold in a set of 8 (still cheaper than APR though)

http://compare.ebay.com/like/370873415786?var=lv&ltyp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar

[Firefox250]

Do you happen to remember/have the part number for your wrist pins from JE?

I don't have any part numbers but I'm sure IE would know.

[mec]

Do you happen to remember/have the part number for your wrist pins from JE?

Contact the place where you bought them, that way they can look up your order to make sure you get the right wrist pins

[viperdsa]

I have the part number for the pins I have, the issue is I bought these pistons so long ago it looks like they have since discontinued the pins I have. Looks like gonna contact JE and see what the power limit is on these pins.

[mec]

I have the part number for the pins I have, the issue is I bought these pistons so long ago it looks like they have since discontinued the pins I have. Looks like gonna contact JE and see what the power limit is on these pins.

When did you build your engine?

You could also call a machine shop, drop off the pins you have now and ask them to reproduce them using tool steel

[viperdsa]

I still haven't yet lol, just been collecting parts for a while

[mec]

oh ok. Usually they say for under 400awhp you can get away with the usual 20mm wrist pins that come with aftermarket pistons, anything above that you want tool steel wrist pins!

Give me a call when you start building the engine, I would love to come take a look :)

I believe you still have my number from when we met up for the motor mounts.

[viperdsa]

Yup i still have it.

It's more than likely going to get built at a shop though, since I don't have a hoist or engine stand or enough engine internal know how to feel confident doing it myself.

Which is one reason my build has basically been stalled out over the past year or so, cost for labor is a ton.

Edit: just got an email back from JE they are suggesting a pin with .180 wall thickness as opposed to the .140 that I have, same material though.

[mec]

Yup i still have it.

It's more than likely going to get built at a shop though, since I don't have a hoist or engine stand or enough engine internal know how to feel confident doing it myself.

Which is one reason my build has basically been stalled out over the past year or so, cost for labor is a ton.

Edit: just got an email back from JE they are suggesting a pin with .180 wall thickness as opposed to the .140 that I have, same material though.

I just finished building mine, I'd love to help you with yours. I've got the tools and the stand necessary.

What turbo setup are you planning to run?

[Firefox250]

Yup i still have it.
It's more than likely going to get built at a shop though, since I don't have a hoist or engine stand or enough engine internal know how to feel confident doing it myself.
Which is one reason my build has basically been stalled out over the past year or so, cost for labor is a ton.
Edit: just got an email back from JE they are suggesting a pin with .180 wall thickness as opposed to the .140 that I have, same material though.


Well when you drop off your car make a build thread.

[mec]

Hows the car feel Carl? and what PSI is it at now?

[Firefox250]

Status update. Still waiting on Borgwarner to release the 7163[mad]

I'm hearing maybe around SEMA (November 5th-8th).

[viperdsa]

I just finished building mine, I'd love to help you with yours. I've got the tools and the stand necessary.

What turbo setup are you planning to run?

Planning on the 7163 like Carl is. Overall our builds are going to be nearly identical.

[mec]

Planning on the 7163 like Carl is. Overall our builds are going to be nearly identical.

I hope you and Carl have your names down on a list already, because I'm sure there is a long waitlist for the turbo, that this is going to be one serious beast.

So you're also running IE rods, JE pistons. Any Valvetrain work?

[Firefox250]

Hows the car feel Carl? and what PSI is it at now?

The car feels great! In between shifts it holds power better than the Revo tune, and the butt dyno feels a harder pull. Just looking over while driving I'm seeing 16-17psi at WOT (awe boost gauge). I should do some logs, now that I have vag-com cable.

[mec]

The car feels great! In between shifts it holds power better than the Revo tune, and the butt dyno feels a harder pull. Just looking over while driving I'm seeing 16-17psi at WOT (awe boost gauge). I should do some logs, now that I have vag-com cable.

Great to hear!

Yeah so apparently our ECU's have a map for programming power between shifts, so you could ideally hold boost through your shifts, that would feel much more DSG-like.

Good call on getting UM to do your tune too, Maestro is a pain in the dick to learn, and there are not many people willing to teach you...well more like 0 people.

[viperdsa]

I hope you and Carl have your names down on a list already, because I'm sure there is a long waitlist for the turbo, that this is going to be one serious beast.

So you're also running IE rods, JE pistons. Any Valvetrain work?

That's why I'm not really in any rush to get my motor built, gonna be a while the turbos are readily available anyway.

I'm going to be running DM Forged rods with JE pistons, but they are 82.5mm instead of 83, same compression though. Have a full stock size Ferrea valvatrain as well.

[Firefox250]

I hope you and Carl have your names down on a list already, because I'm sure there is a long waitlist for the turbo, that this is going to be one serious beast.

So you're also running IE rods, JE pistons. Any Valvetrain work?

Yeah I've been on Full-race list since March and Bluewater has me on a list with there supplier. I would like to get the turbo first and then valvetrain work. Just because of how hard its going to be to get this turbo.

[mec]

Yeah I've been on Full-race list since March and Bluewater has me on a list with there supplier. I would like to get the turbo first and then valvetrain work. Just because of how hard its going to be to get this turbo.

You should get some head porting done! But nice work getting on two lists, if this thing is as good as it has hyped up to be, then it will be tough to get your hands on one, especially since BW manufactures EFR's in such small batches.

[viperdsa]

What exhaust manifold are you planning on running Carl? I think I asked you at DATR but I don't remember the answer. Is Bluewater just going to build you one?

[Firefox250]

Good call on getting UM to do your tune too, Maestro is a pain in the dick to learn, and there are not many people willing to teach you...well more like 0 people.

Thanks man, and yeah after seeing everyone struggle on how to tune Maestro, I was not going to follow suite. I'm no engineer programmer, but Jeff at UM is and he's really good at it! Its more money but totally worth it.

[Firefox250]

What exhaust manifold are you planning on running Carl? I think I asked you at DATR but I don't remember the answer. Is Bluewater just going to build you one?

Bluewater said they could make one. However after seeing the teaser picture from IE, I think they are going to make one. Hopefully IE releases there setup when Borgwaner does with the 7163.

[mec]

That's why I'm not really in any rush to get my motor built, gonna be a while the turbos are readily available anyway.

I'm going to be running DM Forged rods with JE pistons, but they are 82.5mm instead of 83, same compression though. Have a full stock size Ferrea valvatrain as well.

Interesting! I don't think we have any b7 guys running DM rods yet, I know they are a bit more popular in the b5 build threads. I believe they are very similar to the IE rods though, basically all the lower end stuff is incredibly similar, I think IE even gets their rods from China...except the I beams, I think they make those in the US....my memory is fuzzy, but any upgrade to the rods will make a huge change, the stockers are spaghetti rods. As far as the pistons, it's nice to get a bigger bore, even if it is just slightly because you can run much higher piston to wall clearances than Audi has setup. You don't get much hp gains from boring out since the overall CC's of the combustion chamber don't change much, but you get a much tighter fit, less oil consumption, less blowby, which is where you can see a bit higher hp numbers.

Also if you haven't purchased your rods yet, make sure to get rifle drilling, it helps with cooling quite a bit and oils up your wrist pins to help with wear.

If you are just installing replacement valves without any other headwork you can do that yourself fairly easy, you just need to get a recessed valve spring compressor. Otherwise if you are running lifter shims or are getting any other kind of work done it's usually easier to just have the machine shop do it for marginal cost.

Make sure you run bearing assembly lube, or just regular engine oil on your main and rod bearings too, I made the mistake of gooping on regular assembly lube, which can actually cause issues on startup, since the crank is suspended with such a fine layer of oil, and you gunk on thick assembly lube you can sometimes spin a bearing. What else?? Make sure the pistons are oriented to the right side, there is usually a marker on them, the rods have tangs on the intake side of the engine. Avoid running coated bearings if you can, they are really just an expensive overkill, stock bearings will do just fine. ARP's are not necessary, but if you see yourself removing the head various times then it may be a good purchase. a stock set of head bolts is roughly $25, ARP's are $160 I believe, so if you plan on removing the head multiple times then it may be worth the money. Remember that ARP's while they are a much higher quality bolt, do also stretch out over time and use, so they also end up needing to be replaced in the long run assuming you work on the engine frequently.

I think thats the general picture but if you want any more advice on building the engine let me know! I've done it twice on mine now haha

[Firefox250]

You should get some head porting done! But nice work getting on two lists, if this thing is as good as it has hyped up to be, then it will be tough to get your hands on one, especially since BW manufactures EFR's in such small batches.

Yeah with the 7163 being such a beast I deffently want to have IE CNC my head with 1+ Ferrea valvetrain.

[mec]

Thanks man, and yeah after seeing everyone struggle on how to tune Maestro, I was not going to follow suite. I'm no engineer programmer, but Jeff at UM is and he's really good at it! Its more money but totally worth it.

I've heard so many great things about Jeff, and the work he has done proves it, definitely worth the money.


Bluewater said they could make one. However after seeing the teaser picture from IE, I think they are going to make one. Hopefully IE releases there setup when Borgwaner does with the 7163.

If you are trying to get every ounce of power out of the engine go for a tubular manifold, BSH makes one and RAI does too( though you will need to modify the RAI one to work, $100 extra to fix it). Tubular mani's can help a bit more with flow and you can get a bit more power out of them.

But if you are going for a casual DD build stick with a Cast log manifold, you will save like $600, and it will still work beautifully, plus they take up less space in your engine compartment. Make sure to get it ceramic coated to help with engine bay temps and to keep thermal energy inside the runners.

[Operator]

Yeah with the 7163 being such a beast I deffently want to have IE CNC my head with 1+ Ferrea valvetrain.

You guys are BIG MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mec]

You guys are BIG MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

says the guy with carbon fiber wheels, a full dtm package, a carbon fiber hood, and a $1500 turbo. Who is also the guy who has gone through three turbos, two exhaust systems, 2 intercoolers, care to add on Dave ;)

[CorneliusRox]

oh ok. Usually they say for under 400awhp you can get away with the usual 20mm wrist pins that come with aftermarket pistons, anything above that you want tool steel wrist pins!

Give me a call when you start building the engine, I would love to come take a look :)

I believe you still have my number from when we met up for the motor mounts.

And with tool steel you can taper the outside of the wrist pin in to save weight ;-) But that's full racecar junk.

Carl, do you still live in CO? I havent seen you in years!

[Operator]

says the guy with carbon fiber wheels, a full dtm package, a carbon fiber hood, and a $1500 turbo. Who is also the guy who has gone through three turbos, two exhaust systems, 2 intercoolers, care to add on Dave ;)

Wheels were a local hook-up (Wellington folk represent!!!), DTM and hood, was all insurance ;-) Ya got me on the turbos. And the original exhaust was hecka inexpensive same with the custom intercooler. But yeh, I don't like to add things up, as I'd probably cry......

[Firefox250]

Carl, do you still live in CO? I havent seen you in years!

Yes I live in CO. I moved up to Fort Collins last year. You saw me at the CU car show this last summer.

[mec]

Yes I live in CO. I moved up to Fort Collins last year. You saw me at the CU car show this last summer.

I feel that way about Seth, I see that guy once every year maybe lol seems like he doesn't live here.

[Firefox250]

I feel that way about Seth, I see that guy once every year maybe lol seems like he doesn't live here.

We all need to meet up for another cruise.

[mec]

We all need to meet up for another cruise.

Indeed. Dave will make the trek out too. Right Dave?

[drumnjuny]

my car sucks but i will ride with martin and take photos!

[mec]

my car sucks but i will ride with martin and take photos!

Your car will be running by the time we get something organized.

[drumnjuny]

lmao. somehow i doubt that! but we have some work to do before i need more money to continue to fix it, anyhoo. time to rip out the BMP bypass, and install the rs4 lpfp controller. and i need to take it to a shop to inspect front end... and then try to figure out wtf is going on with my startup issue haha. and install the vfiz. then new tires for the new wheels, new front rotors & pads, aaaaand that pesky oil leak and we are ready for tuning again lmao

[seal66]

I feel that way about Seth, I see that guy once every year maybe lol seems like he doesn't live here.

I was in town all last week and still this week. But, yes I am always gone for work.

A cruise sounds great to me. My final tuning for the ko4 hopefully well be done in a week and half so.

[CorneliusRox]

Yes I live in CO. I moved up to Fort Collins last year. You saw me at the CU car show this last summer.

lol I may have been exaggerating just a bit.


I feel that way about Seth, I see that guy once every year maybe lol seems like he doesn't live here.

Agreed. He's out getting rich though. I'm a little jealous.


We all need to meet up for another cruise.

^This.


Indeed. Dave will make the trek out too. Right Dave?

He better!

[seal66]

Agreed. He's out getting rich though. I'm a little jealous.



Idk about that lol. This time of year always hurts me. Plus with working in Utah now I have lost another 20K since last year. It sucks

[CorneliusRox]

Idk about that lol. This time of year always hurts me. Plus with working in Utah now I have lost another 20K since last year. It sucks

Down to 430k a year I bet. :-P

[seal66]

Down to 430k a year I bet. :-P

Take the 3 out and you would be right lol.

[CorneliusRox]

Take the 3 out and you would be right lol.

400? ;-) jk jk

[drumnjuny]

yeah i really need to make more money haha but my job is too dope for me to quit. startup life ftmfw! i feel lucky as hell i had offers from big corps and startups so i got to really weigh out what i wanted. turns out bringing my dog to work and loving the people i work with trumps money + running car lol!!

[seal66]

400? ;-) jk jk

$400.00 dollars sir you are correct. I'm a poor bastard lol

[CorneliusRox]

$400.00 dollars sir you are correct. I'm a poor bastard lol

ha ha whatever. I'll see you this weekend man!

[seal66]

Ha ha. Sounds good bro

[Operator]

Who's coming to chill with me this weekend?!?

[seal66]

Who's coming to chill with me this weekend?!?

you are way to far away

[Operator]

you are way to far away

Bollocks!!!!

[seal66]

Bollocks!!!!

How about you come visit us

[Operator]

How about you come visit us

Cause I'm the one that requires a Kitchen Pass......

[mec]

Cause I'm the one that requires a Kitchen Pass......

Just come out, tell her that you friend is looking at buying a plane and needs advice

[CorneliusRox]

Just come out, tell her that you friend is looking at buying a plane and needs advice

genius

[mec]

Cause I'm the one that requires a Kitchen Pass......

Also PM me your shipping address!

[drumnjuny]

i think it would be most believable if i was the one buying a plane.

[CorneliusRox]

i think it would be most believable if i was the one buying a plane.

racist

[drumnjuny]

lmao

[Firefox250]

http://youtu.be/EIHQDw0mBV0

Oh yeah! Getting closer!

Still not sure about the 7163, just because is so big and it seems to be designed for bigger motors. So I'll just keep waiting for IE tests results look like.

[mec]

http://youtu.be/EIHQDw0mBV0

Oh yeah! Getting closer!

Still not sure about the 7163, just because is so big and it seems to be designed for bigger motors. So I'll just keep waiting for IE tests results look like.

You've got a fully built engine, she deserves a big turbo! Have you considered going 6758? That seems like the ideal turbo for instant spool. Has drivability in town that no other turbo has shown on the b7 platform, and has more top end than the tiny turbos(k03,k04, hybrid)

[Firefox250]

You've got a fully built engine, she deserves a big turbo! Have you considered going 6758? That seems like the ideal turbo for instant spool. Has drivability in town that no other turbo has shown on the b7 platform, and has more top end than the tiny turbos(k03,k04, hybrid)

I have considered the 6758, but I want see what the results are from IE before I pull the trigger. I'm also hoping for a twin scroll.

[mec]

I have considered the 6758, but I want see what the results are from IE before I pull the trigger. I'm also hoping for a twin scroll.

That's a good call. Does anyone have a prototype 7163 on a 2.0t yet? All I've seen are subarus and mazdas

[Firefox250]

Nope, and the 7163 has not been released yet either.

[ericpaulyoung]

Ya, just buy a GTX :) there is no magic, just small improvements. EFR won't shoot lightening from your butt.

EPY

[seal66]

Correction there is a 7163 on a 2.0t

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[mec]

Ya, just buy a GTX :) there is no magic, just small improvements. EFR won't shoot lightening from your butt.

EPY

Electricity definitely won't shoot out our rear end, but when you are looking at droppinh $1500 on a turbo you want to make sure you buy the best! And BW has garrett beat 9 ways, npt to mention its a modern take on turbos, how old is thew gt setup? 19 years? and the gtx series, like 8 years?

[mec]

Correction there is a 7163 on a 2.0t

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video/ dyno!

[ericpaulyoung]

Electricity definitely won't shoot out our rear end, but when you are looking at droppinh $1500 on a turbo you want to make sure you buy the best! And BW has garrett beat 9 ways, npt to mention its a modern take on turbos, how old is thew gt setup? 19 years? and the gtx series, like 8 years?

You can't fix what ain't broke. The GTX performs plenty well and doesn't have a Ti blade that likes to blow up. Adding LED lights to a Honda won't make it faster. Bells and whistles are only good for show. I say get whichever is cheaper and fits (the EFR is a beast for size).
EPY

[mec]

You can't fix what ain't broke. The GTX performs plenty well and doesn't have a Ti blade that likes to blow up. Adding LED lights to a Honda won't make it faster. Bells and whistles are only good for show. I say get whichever is cheaper and fits (the EFR is a beast for size).
EPY

Innovation is the name of the game. Is the Garrett line defective? Nah but it is older than old! Bw added benefits that I guarantee you that Garrett will use in their next generation turbos.

But realistically, are you telling me you wouldn't get the best you can for yor dollar. Buying a Garrett over a Bw is like buying a pabst blue ribbon instead of a microbrew during happy hour. The microbrew might cost a dollar more but you get far more utility out of a microbrew than out of a pabst.

[ericpaulyoung]

I would not actually buy the new EFR because it isn't necessarily the best. There are comparisons that go either way depending on the setup, so an EFR is not default the better option and it costs more but you don't necessarily get more. One thing they do have is the drawback of the Ti wheels falling apart, they are hard to get ahold of and as a result hard to get fixed if broke. You think it was hard getting a Garrett fixed, try an EFR. With Garrett you can replace the parts at any time if you pay for them. With an EFR you get promises that a replacement will be available some day.
EPY

[viperdsa]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI1ep7zFtZY

[Operator]

Eh, I'm not going to try to Champion one over the other. I just know that with the research I did, an EFR was the better route for me. I waited 4+ months after my purchase before I even got the turbo, at any time, I could have grabbed a GTX. Heck I could have grabbed a 6258 or 7064, but for what I wanted the EFR 6758 was my ideal choice. If someone else chose Garrett, or Comp, or Precision, I've got no beef with that. But it's just not the choice I wanted.

[Firefox250]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI1ep7zFtZY

Oh yeah I forgot about that guy.

I did hear about the earlier versions of EFR Gama Ti wheels not liking heat, but that was a rumor from a Garrett rep response to the EFR line at SEMA.

[Operator]

Eh, the EFR lineup fared well in the Indy Car Circuit the past couple years, so I'm not worried about durability..............

[ericpaulyoung]

I am not saying they are bad at all. The EFR is the latest advancement in design. It is just that the only direct comparisons I have seen didn't blow me away enough to say I would pay more or wait longer, and most important for me is size. They are big and there is no way I could fit one along side a GT in the sequential, and definitely could not fit two of them. So even though I really like them, the performance increase is not enough to justify the drawbacks. I would however love to get my hands on that variable drive supercharger. That thing is really a game changer.

[seal66]

video/ dyno!

We all have to wait lol I don't even know about it yet lol


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[Firefox250]

We all have to wait lol I don't even know about it yet lol


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Seal and his damn secrets...

[Operator]

RAI, has had a 7163. They get BW turbo's alot earlier than most. Just look at their EFR post in the B6 section.

[Firefox250]

I'll take a look. I did call RAI in March and they said they had tested one but wouldn't give me any details.

[drumnjuny]

pretty sure it went into this dude's mkVI

[Firefox250]

RAI, has had a 7163. They get BW turbo's alot earlier than most. Just look at their EFR post in the B6 section.

No link Operator? I've seen 6758 but no 7163

[Operator]

My bad, I didn't mean for sale. RAI gets BW and Garrett turbos to do field R&D for each respective company.

[Firefox250]

Ohh one day I'll get my EFR

http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu360/RAImotorsport/IMG_1351.jpg

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/444526-Some-Eye-Candy-%28EFR-CONTENT%29

[viperdsa]

Maybe the 7163 will take so long to come out you will end up having to go with a twin scroll 7670 [:D]

[Firefox250]

The 7670 is a huge B2 framed turbo, but that would be Sweeeeet! Some how this guy with Audi TT 1.8T stroked out to a 2.0T put 7670 in!

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/16/ugy6epad.jpg

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?5631859-My-Build-2-0T-Stroker-EFR-7670-Audi-TTquattro/page3&

[Firefox250]

Well the EFR 7163 is for sale on IE and Full-race website, but I have no extra funds since it's the holidays. Anyways I just saw this.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/14/purety2e.jpg

[viperdsa]

Looks like you can get it with a full v-band housing and still keep the internal wastegate?

Part #11639880006
http://www.treadstoneperformance.com/product.phtml?p=43888&cat_key=578&prodname=Borg+Warner+EFR+7163+Turbocharger+400-600+HP

[mec]

Looks like you can get it with a full v-band housing and still keep the internal wastegate?

Part #11639880006
http://www.treadstoneperformance.com/product.phtml?p=43888&cat_key=578&prodname=Borg+Warner+EFR+7163+Turbocharger+400-600+HP

WTF??? $1400? Why is the first one so cheap?

[Firefox250]

I'm planning on going with the T4 twin scroll.

[mec]

or the .85 non twinscroll and save $600 dollars!

[viperdsa]

Wonder if that first one doesn't come with an exhaust housing.

[derrek]

Wonder if that first one doesn't come with an exhaust housing.

that's what i was thinking

[mec]

says its a .85 AR so it should include a housing.

[derrek]

says its a .85 AR so it should include a housing.

Maybe because its an external wastegate?

[mec]

Maybe because its an external wastegate?

Idk...god someone needs to buy this turbo and come gloat to us. This thing is gonna be a beast!

[Firefox250]

It will happen and it will be Viperdsa or me. More importantly we need a cast exhaust manifold that fits the EFR turbo. I don't want a custom tubular one.

[viperdsa]

Old thread but post #17 and 28. They needed to tweek the coolant adapter and wastegate actuator but it fit, and it's a 6758 so the external dimensions should be exactly the same.
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?5163852-EFR-Anatomy

Wouldn't be able to do a TS though since it's a v-band manifold [:/] Other than that idk, ATP doesn't have a T4 manifold.

[mec]

Old thread but post #17 and 28. They needed to tweek the coolant adapter and wastegate actuator but it fit, and it's a 6758 so the external dimensions should be exactly the same.
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?5163852-EFR-Anatomy

Wouldn't be able to do a TS though since it's a v-band manifold [:/] Other than that idk, ATP doesn't have a T4 manifold.

actually they do sell vband twinscroll not sure if BW offers it though, this is a garrett

http://www.dwperformance.com/storeimages/products/performance/GAR700213-0005.jpg.

And you could always get a tubular manifold and ask for a t4 flange to be put on, but vband is the bees knees.

I'm assuming you would want a twinscroll t4 though right? Otherwise it would seem that you would lose a ton of exhaust velocity by allowing the exhaust flow to expand through such a large outlet, t4 is pretty monstrous for a 2.0L, Isn't that the type of flange that most big diesel guys use? as in 6.0L and up usually?

What about wastegates? BW seems pretty adamant about their internal gates, do they use a good enough wastegate to keep up PSI at high RPM?, or are most BW guys running externals?

The DV that comes with the turbo also seems pretty janky, looks like a piece of rubber and a spring.

These are just my observations, I don't really know what BT BW guys are doing but I am definitely curious!