APR Presents the Audi S6/S7 4.0 TFSI ECU Upgrade with Program Switching!

[Arin@APR]

THREAD UPDATED - NEW v1.1 UPDATE HERE http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/643783-APR-Presents-a-Free-Update-for-S6-amp-S7-4-0-TFSI-ECU-Upgrade-Customers!




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APR is pleased to present the ultimate ECU Upgrade for the Audi S6 and S7 4.0 TFSI V8!

Product Page
http://www.goapr.com/products/ecu_upgrade_40tfsi_s6s7.html

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After months of long nights and many hours of testing, developing and more testing, we’re pleased to offer you an ECU recalibration that is second to none. APR’s extensive research and development provides you with a powerful ECU upgrade with no loss of drivability or reliability. Expect faster acceleration, improved throttle response and more power across the entire power band.

APR’s 4.0 TFSI V8 ECU Upgrade is an expertly recalibrated engine control strategy that primarily remaps the engine's operating parameters, within the factory ECU, to provide smooth and reliable power as if intended by the OEM. APR’s ECU Upgrade is developed to work within the OEM and Tier 1 Supplier specifications for engine component stress tolerances and performance specifications. Available in octane-specific variations, APR’s calibrations allow you to take advantage of fuel quality available in your area. APR’s patented EMCS functionality puts the control of your engine’s operation at your fingertips and allows for additional features and options to be installed to your OEM ECU.

APR Stage I ECU Upgrade

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The APR Stage I ECU Upgrade gives you higher peak numbers of 560 HP/580 FT-LBS on 93 (R+M)/2 octane and up to 569 HP/605 FT-LBS on 100 (R+M)/2 octane race fuel. As much as 124 HP and 163 FT-LBS of torque are available through the power band! APR’s ECU Upgrade is the best power per dollar modification for the new 4.0 TFSI V8 and gives it just the extra edge these cars lack from the factory without pushing the limits. With factory-like smoothness and drivability, APR’s ECU upgrade will fill the void in an otherwise excellent car.

Acceleration Enhancements:
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Beyond power and torque enhancements, APR’s Calibration Engineers were able to increase the acceleration rate of the S6 and S7 through other calibrations changes. Ignition delay is reduced resulting in a more responsive pedal without altering overall throttle sensitivity.


Launch Control:
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APR's Engineers paid particular attention to torque delivery when using launch control. Through specific ECU calibration and code changes torque delivery is limited until the clutches are fully engaged. This results in blistering acceleration without suddenly over-stressing the S-Tronic clutch packs.


Increased Fuel Economy:
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APR’s Calibration Engineers paid close attention to several parameters directly related to fuel economy, especially while cruising at highway speeds. Depending on your driving style and fuel quality, you may see better miles per gallon!


Speed Limiter:
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APR’s ECU upgrade increases the vehicle's top speed limiter for blistering sprints around the track or across the Autobahn without the speed limiter shutting down your fun!


Left Foot Braking:
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APR's Left Foot Braking feature allows more control over the vehicle’s throttle. The factory equipped S6 and S7’s throttle input is disabled while pressing the accelerator and brake at the same time. Left Foot Braking, a common motorsport driving technique, allows the driver complete control over the vehicle’s throttle and braking system, which may give the S6 and S7 the edge it needs at the track. As is with all features APR adds to the ECU, this feature may be removed upon request.

Dyno Charts

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APR Stage I 91 (R+M)/2 - Power at the Crank (http://www.goapr.com/includes/img/products/dyno/40tfsi_c7_s6s7/40tfsi_c7_s6s7_s0_vs_s1_91_cc.gif) | Power at the Wheels (http://www.goapr.com/includes/img/products/dyno/40tfsi_c7_s6s7/40tfsi_c7_s6s7_s0_vs_s1_91_cw.gif) | Gain over Stock (http://www.goapr.com/includes/img/products/dyno/40tfsi_c7_s6s7/40tfsi_c7_s6s7_s0_vs_s1_91_gain.gif) | Raw Dyno Graphs (http://www.goapr.com/includes/img/products/dyno/40tfsi_c7_s6s7/40tfsi_c7_s6s7_s0_vs_s1_91_raw.gif)
APR Stage I 93 (R+M)/2 - Power at the Crank (http://www.goapr.com/includes/img/products/dyno/40tfsi_c7_s6s7/40tfsi_c7_s6s7_s0_vs_s1_91_cc.gif) | Power at the Wheels (http://www.goapr.com/includes/img/products/dyno/40tfsi_c7_s6s7/40tfsi_c7_s6s7_s0_vs_s1_91_cw.gif) | Gain over Stock (http://www.goapr.com/includes/img/products/dyno/40tfsi_c7_s6s7/40tfsi_c7_s6s7_s0_vs_s1_91_gain.gif) | Raw Dyno Graphs (http://www.goapr.com/includes/img/products/dyno/40tfsi_c7_s6s7/40tfsi_c7_s6s7_s0_vs_s1_93_raw.gif)
APR Stage I 100 (R+M)/2 - Power at the Crank (http://www.goapr.com/includes/img/products/dyno/40tfsi_c7_s6s7/40tfsi_c7_s6s7_s0_vs_s1_91_cc.gif) | Power at the Wheels (http://www.goapr.com/includes/img/products/dyno/40tfsi_c7_s6s7/40tfsi_c7_s6s7_s0_vs_s1_91_cw.gif) | Gain over Stock (http://www.goapr.com/includes/img/products/dyno/40tfsi_c7_s6s7/40tfsi_c7_s6s7_s0_vs_s1_91_gain.gif) | Raw Dyno Graphs (http://www.goapr.com/includes/img/products/dyno/40tfsi_c7_s6s7/40tfsi_c7_s6s7_s0_vs_s1_100_raw.gif)


APR Stage I ECU Upgrade Calibration Report

Horsepower

420 HP - Stock reported by Audi
480 HP - Stock measured by APR
552 HP - APR Stage I 91 (R+M)/2 or 95 RON
560 HP - APR Stage I 93 (R+M)/2 or 98 RON
569 HP - APR Stage I 100 (R+M)/2 or 104 RON


FT-LBS of Torque

406 TQ - Stock reported by Audi
464 TQ - Stock measured by APR
564 TQ - APR Stage I 91 (R+M)/2 or 95 RON
580 TQ - APR Stage I 93 (R+M)/2 or 98 RON
605 TQ - APR Stage I 100 (R+M)/2 or 104 RON


Horsepower Gain over Stock

+90 HP @ 3,900 RPM - APR Stage I 91 (R+M)/2 or 95 RON
+102 HP @ 3,950 RPM - APR Stage I 93 (R+M)/2 or 98 RON
+123 HP @ 4,250 RPM - APR Stage I 100 (R+M)/2 or 104 RON


FT-LBS of Torque Gain over Stock

+126 TQ @ 2,450 RPM - APR Stage I 91 (R+M)/2 or 95 RON
+138 TQ @ 3,750 RPM - APR Stage I 93 (R+M)/2 or 98 RON
+163 TQ @ 3,700 RPM - APR Stage I 100 (R+M)/2 or 104 RON


Acceleration Times - Stock vs APR Stage I 93 (R+M)/2 or 98 RON Software:

0-60 MPH - 4.06 sec vs 3.52 sec

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0-100 MPH - 9.24 sec vs 8.32 sec

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62-124 MPH - 9.56 sec vs 8.51 sec

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60-130 MPH - 11.32 sec vs 9.93 sec

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Data collected at the same location via a Racelogic P-Box with launch control, ESP/ASR off, Dynamic mode and Sport mode. May not be comparable to data collected in other locations.


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Quarter Mile Testing - Stock vs APR Stage I 93 (R+M)/2 or 98 RON Software:


Best 60' Times (http://www.goapr.com/includes/img/products/dyno/40tfsi_c7_s6s7/40tfsi_c7_s6s7_s0_vs_s1_93_timeslips.gif) - 1.713 sec vs 1.656 sec
Best 1/4 Mile ET (http://www.goapr.com/includes/img/products/dyno/40tfsi_c7_s6s7/40tfsi_c7_s6s7_s0_vs_s1_93_timeslips.gif) - 12.216 sec vs 11.628 sec
Best 1/4 Mile Trap Speed (http://www.goapr.com/includes/img/products/dyno/40tfsi_c7_s6s7/40tfsi_c7_s6s7_s0_vs_s1_93_timeslips.gif) - 112.42 MPH vs 117.83 MPH


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APR EMCS Programs and Features

APR’s patented EMCS, Enhanced Modular Chipping System, brings selectable programs and features to your factory ECU, all without the need to purchase external hardware. Other companies have attempted to imitate EMCS with clumsy external switching devices that only replace or multiply portions of a “base” calibration. However, EMCS has the ability to completely rewrite the entire operating map data, giving each map a complete set of calibration changes. APR’s EMCS features and programs modes are activated via your OEM cruise control buttons. Your cruise control will continue to function as normal.


Program Switching:
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Program switching allows the user to cycle through up to four different engine calibrations and operating modes all without the need for external hardware.


Stock Mode:
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By selecting stock mode, the ECU calibration is reset to the factory calibration. The engine will run exactly as it did before purchasing APR software.


APR Performance Modes:
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APR's octane-specific calibrations are available for various premium and race fuels around the world. Each performance mode is a completely new calibration, altered specifically for the characteristics of the fuel quality selected.


Valet Mode:
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APR's Valet Mode protects your vehicle from becoming an expensive toy for unauthorized individuals. By enabling Valet Mode, the vehicle's performance is extremely limited. Launch control is uneventful, the vehicles top speed is limited to roughly 40 MPH and the engine's redline is reduced to nearly 5,000 RPM!


Fault Code Erase:
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Fault code erase allows the user to erase and reset engine related trouble codes and ECU adaptation data without using a specialty tool.


Security Lockout:
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Security lockout prevents unauthorized individuals from using APR's EMCS functionality. When enabled, APR's EMCS features will appear completely invisible until a user specified 2 to 4-digit security code is entered.


Anti-Theft:
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When activated, Anti-Theft prevents the engine from starting even if the factory key is used. The vehicle will be completely immobilized until a user specified 2 to 4-digit security code is entered.




The APR Development Difference

APR ECU Explorer:
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APR’s proprietary ECU Explorer gives APR’s Calibration Engineers unparalleled access to the vehicle’s entire engine management system. Typical commercially available data logging tools, used by most tuners, only allow logging up to 12 engine-operating variables at extremely low data rates. These tools are also limited to a small, specific list of variables. APR’s ECU Explorer is capable of logging every variable found within the ECU. It’s capable of logging well over 100 variables at once with data rates as high as 100 samples per second. Synchronous data logging is available for fine-tuning.


APR ECU Composer with APR Live Tuning:
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APR’s proprietary ECU Composer is used for altering the engine management system. With full access to every table, map and variable within the ECU, APR’s Calibration Engineers are not limited to a handful of maps as is common for most tuning companies. ECU Composer takes calibration to a new level on the 4.0T with APR's Live Tuning. APR’s Calibration Engineers can test calibration changes with a single click of a button to instantly monitor the changes, rather than spending several minutes shutting down the vehicle to reflash the ECU. This allows a level of fine-tuning unmatched in the market.


APR ECU Assembly:
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APR’s Electrical Engineers have the ability to alter the code structure of the ECU to add features not available from the factory. Through code levels changes, APR's Engineers are able to add features designed to protect the gearbox during launch control. Other changes allow higher torque limit than those achievable through only modifying calibration data or using piggyback devices as is the case for many tuners. On the highly modified end, this allows APR to make Stage III Turbo Upgrades operate as if intended by the OEM. For most 4.0 TFSI owners, the advantage of this ability is the addition of APR’s patented EMCS Functions. EMCS puts the control of the engine’s operation at your fingertips and allows for additional features and options to be installed to your ECU.


Pricing and Application Guide

Audi C6 S6 and S7 4.0 TFSI - $1,499.00 - Includes 4 Programs (Stock, 91, 93, 100 or Valet), FCE, Secuity Lockout and Anti-Theft

Two Ways to Purchase

Locate an APR Dealer:
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Use the APR Dealer Locator Tool (http://www.goapr.com/dealer/) to find an APR Dealer near you. The APR Dealer will have the ability to upgrade your ECU while you wait!

Depending on ECU type, some APR Dealers may not possess the necessary equipment to support on site flashing. In this case, the APR Dealer can remove and send ECUs to APR’s headquarters. Typically ECUs are returned the same day they are received. Please inquire about on site availability before visiting a local APR Dealer.

Mail us your ECU (USA Only):
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Remove your ECU and mail it directly to APR. We will upgrade your ECU and send it back typically the same day as we receive it. To remove your ECU, check for a removal guide in our Customer Support section, or give us a call. Then simply fill out an APR ECU Order Form (http://www.goapr.com/includes/forms/orderform.pdf) and you’re ready to mail in your ECU.

Security, Warranty and Money Back Guarentee

All APR ECU Upgrades are fully encrypted to prevent theft of our valuable and proprietary coding information by lesser companies.

30 Day Money Back Guarantee:
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All APR ECU Upgrades include a 30-day money back guarantee with no questions asked. If for any reason you are dissatisfied with the APR ECU Upgrade, return to your place of purchase for a full refund, provided you are within the 30 day period from the time of your initial purchase. Labor or shipping charges are not included in the guarantee and are at the discretion of the place of install.

Limited Lifetime Warranty:
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All APR ECU Upgrades include a limited lifetime warranty against defects in the software, and to provide free updates and reflashes as they become available. Labor or shipping charges are not included in the warranty and are at the discretion of the place of install.

[Jay Slay]

I f(_)cking need this in my life now!!!!

[Arin@APR]

I f(_)cking need this in my life now!!!!

It's ready at dealers today. If you send me your Zip Code I'll find a dealer in your area. : )

[dans]

It's ready at dealers today. If you send me your Zip Code I'll find a dealer in your area. : )

What's the turn around for mail in? I don't have a dealer nearby.

Is there an option to buy a cable and have you remotely control a laptop to do it with gotomeeting or something?

[Jay Slay]

It's ready at dealers today. If you send me your Zip Code I'll find a dealer in your area. : )

I get my work done at Eurotech Motorsports in NJ - Danek is my boy.

Is it available for them too?

[Arin@APR]

What's the turn around for mail in? I don't have a dealer nearby.

Typically if its here by noon it will ship the same day. UPS gets here early. FedEx is usually late.


Is there an option to buy a cable and have you remotely control a laptop to do it with gotomeeting or something?

Unfortunately it must be flashed at a dealer or at APR.

[ImOnABoat]

Soo.. many graphs to explore.

[dans]

Do you have ecu removal instructions? I didn't see them on the support page.

Before I mail it in, do you have any dealers near 99037 that's aren't listed.

Thx.

[Auditude2.0T]

Arin. That was an incredible write up. I wouldn't do it any difference myself, you covered every aspect of performance and released a one of a kind product to the market. I'm very impressed. You're gonna make me buy one now.

[Arin@APR]

Do you have ecu removal instructions? I didn't see them on the support page.

Before I mail it in, do you have any dealers near 99037 that's aren't listed.

Thx.

Uploading them now!

Uploaded:

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[Fonzie@DipYourCar]

The car feels absolutely wonderful :)

[Arin@APR]

The car feels absolutely wonderful :)

[:D]

[SinCityA6]

The car feels absolutely wonderful :)

It's good to be The Fonz! Tuned ECU before it was it was announced on the "Zine".

[Arin@APR]

I get my work done at Eurotech Motorsports in NJ - Danek is my boy.

Is it available for them too?

Calling them now.

[Arin@APR]

I get my work done at Eurotech Motorsports in NJ - Danek is my boy.

Is it available for them too?

I just spoke to Danek and he said to give him a call. :)

[Arin@APR]

Before I mail it in, do you have any dealers near 99037 that's aren't listed.
Thx.

Unfortunately we don't.

[abaileyb]

What doest this do to the factory Audi Warranty?

[FourRingRider]

The car feels absolutely wonderful :)

So jealous! [drool]

[2.7taudi]

What doest this do to the factory Audi Warranty?

Void. Lol.

[CornedOutAPB]

Nice results APR, but why did the earlier speedometer video show a significantly faster S6 than one that's only trapping 116-117 at the dragstrip? Based on your first speedometer video, it appeared the S6 was trapping in the 123-124 range. Was that on race fuel, downhill, or is the speedometer maybe off from the factory? Any light you can shed on this discrepancy is greatly appreciated. I'm not knocking your timeslips, but 116-117 traps is only 1-2 higher than what C&D got bone stock. I was hoping for traps that would be closer to what a stock M5 or E63 runs (123-125).

[Auditude2.0T]

Nice results APR, but why did the earlier speedometer video show a significantly faster S6 than one that's only trapping 116-117 at the dragstrip? Based on your first speedometer video, it appeared the S6 was trapping in the 123-124 range. Was that on race fuel, downhill, or is the speedometer maybe off from the factory? Any light you can shed on this discrepancy is greatly appreciated. I'm not knocking your timeslips, but 116-117 traps is only 1-2 higher than what C&D got bone stock. I was hoping for traps that would be closer to what a stock M5 or E63 runs (123-125).


Not for nothing but how can you judge how fast a car is going to trap from a speedometer video?

I wouldn't compare what car and driver got or so on but compare the delta that has been given, same car, same driver, same track and similar conditions.

6mph gain and .6 seconds in the 1/4 mile, almost 1.5 second gain 60-130 and a linear power band from a reliable safe tuner.


The E63 and M5 are both over 100k vs. 75k for a similarly equipped S6.

Also the above numbers are from a fully loaded heavy S7. The S6 will be quicker.

You're adding a $1500 tune to a 75k car and getting performance that you'd need to spend 100k+ for and not giving up looks or build quality.

[Arin@APR]

Nice results APR, but why did the earlier speedometer video show a significantly faster S6 than one that's only trapping 116-117 at the dragstrip? Based on your first speedometer video, it appeared the S6 was trapping in the 123-124 range. Was that on race fuel, downhill, or is the speedometer maybe off from the factory? Any light you can shed on this discrepancy is greatly appreciated. I'm not knocking your timeslips, but 116-117 traps is only 1-2 higher than what C&D got bone stock. I was hoping for traps that would be closer to what a stock M5 or E63 runs (123-125).

I don't know.

What I do know is when I went to the drag strap I compared my results stock to my results tuned.

I had the same car, on the same day, as the same drag strip, on the same tank of fuel, with the same tires, and the same driver.

There was 1 difference: APR Software vs Stock software.

When I did this, the S7 with our software was faster.

It was so much faster that by the time I crossed the quarter mile finish line, the Tuned S7's front wheels were roughly 108 feet in front of the Stock S7's front wheels.

108 feet roughly translates into 3 BUS LENGTHS at 36-37 feet per bus.

If car and driver (or anyone for that matter) can trap better times than ours, stock, then they need to try it with our software too as it would probably beat our own times too.

[Excelerate]

Looking forward to flashing this software. Anyone who is interested in upgrading to APR software please contact us and we will cover the labor costs.

Keep up the good work APR!! And thank you for all the data Arin.

[Excelerate]

Looking forward to flashing this software. Anyone who is interested in upgrading to APR software please contact us and we will cover the labor costs.

Keep up the good work APR!! And thank you for all the data Arin.

[Chipless]

Unfortunately it must be flashed at a dealer or at APR.
If it's flashed at an APR dealer, can they do it through the diagnostic port, and save the ECU removal and re-installation labor?

[Arin@APR]

For those looking to see what it put down to all 4 on our dyno, here you go. It's actually listed in the links above, but I heard some grumblings on the internet from those who couldn't click on links and just like to complain. ; )

93 Octane:
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100 Octane:
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[Arin@APR]

If it's flashed at an APR dealer, can they do it through the diagnostic port, and save the ECU removal and re-installation labor?

Once flashed back to stock, the ECU needs to be pulled again.

[Chipless]

Once flashed back to stock, the ECU needs to be pulled again.
I mean on the original flash, from stock to APR. Can that be done through the diagnostic port, or is ECU removal required? I just don't want to pay $200 for this if it's not required.

[Arin@APR]

The initial flash requires the ECU to be removed from the car.

[HyperM3]

Subscribed...

[Auditude2.0T]

For Argument sake:

Car and Driver F10 M5 DCT: 560HP/502LBTQ
0-60- 3.7s
0-100- 8.3s
1/4 mile- 12.0@122mph
Weight- 4300lbs

APR C7 S7 DSG: 560HP/580LBTQ
0-60- 3.52s
0-100- 8.32s
1/4 mile- [email protected]
Weight- 4450lbs

[Auditude2.0T]

A Stage 1 S6 will be a VERY good run with a stock M5 and it'll be very close. Similar HP #'s, Similar weight and a nice torque advantage to the S6.

[Ynnekdude]

Good stuff APR. Cant wait to see what S8/RS7 numbers are.

Arin, are us 3.0Ters ever going to get program switching?

[sciblades]

The car feels absolutely wonderful :)

can we run ours??

[noah]

The car feels absolutely wonderful :)

It seems that u already have the tune..can u please detail your impressions of the car with the tune? :)

[Fonzie@DipYourCar]

It seems that u already have the tune..can u please detail your impressions of the car with the tune? :)

Sure. Filming a video so I'll do an express version:

Acceleration: Still quite linear actually- not a "punch you in the face" boost jump like some other turbo cars. It just smoothly and quickly gains speed at a delightfully alarming rate.

Launch Control: Absolutely different. Not violent or jarring, maybe even smoother than it was pre-tune. The car just leaps out and you can actually feel the car pulling harder building speed quicker than before. It's a noticeably different experience.

Longer range speed: I was able to go 0-140 on a closed road. The weirdest thing about the car is that it feels like it continues to pull harder and stronger the faster you go. It doesn't taper off, it gets angrier and angrier. I can't freakin wait to run an 11.5-11.7 depending on getting the right conditions.

Daily driving: The beauty is really the torque. The low end madness is available at almost any city cruising speed. You still have to dig into the throttle a little in D mode to make it jump, but it starts moving and covers distance immediately. In S mode.. forget about it. The car's first instinct in S mode is to pass 3 cars - it's almost comical how much power is available. And this is coming from a guy who thought a Renntech S65AMG (678rwhp/789rwtq) was the ultimate sports sedan.

Oh and the throttle delay is gone.

[maxhawk]

Oh and the throttle delay is gone.

[hail] APR!

[noah]

Hmm...I like the torque portion of your review :) thx

[FourRingRider]

A Stage 1 S6 will be a VERY good run with a stock M5 and it'll be very close. Similar HP #'s, Similar weight and a nice torque advantage to the S6.

I'd bet my money on the tuned S6. In the stock vs stock video shown below you can see that the M5 utilized LAUNCH CONTROL whereas the S6 didn't - skewing the results favoring the M5.

At the end of the video the M5 hit 290 KPH (180 MPH) while the S6 was only at 267 KPH (166 MPH). That equates to a 14 MPH difference. Surely if the S6 used LC it would have likely gained an additional 8 MPH or so at the launch in a fraction of a second. So really in the end the M5 is MAYBE 6 MPH faster than a stock S6 to top speed.

I would imagine with the help of APR's recalibration, which adds 102 hp and 138 tq, we would see these results inverted.




http://youtu.be/lQMdmo_Rq5k

[FourRingRider]

Great review Fonz!

[AwdPwns]

Time to trade in the S4 for this beast LOL!! [hail]

[dlev91]

Subscribed...

How do you subscribe to a thread?
I know it has nothing to do with the tune but ive been trying to figure that out for a while now haha

enjoy your tunes everyone

[SinCityA6]

How do you subscribe to a thread?
I know it has nothing to do with the tune but ive been trying to figure that out for a while now haha

enjoy your tunes everyone

On the top of the page, select thread tools then select subscribe.

[CreoSTi]

Just need an S6 now... [:D]

[monoseanism]

Wow, this is great news. Does anyone know how difficult it is to pull the ECU?

[CALL AAA]

With the B5 S4' didn't the APR software limit the boost in valet mode? It seems like that would be a more effective way to take the joy out of a valet's joyride, since most of them probably have all their fun in a parking structure. They probably don't care if they can make it past 40mph, but they do want to see how fast it can get it TO 40mph.
edit: Or is the boost limited by rpm? I guess it would do the same thing.

[Arin@APR]

Torque, power, rpm and speed are all limited in valet mode.

[Auditude2.0T]

I'd bet my money on the tuned S6. In the stock vs stock video shown below you can see that the M5 utilized LAUNCH CONTROL whereas the S6 didn't - skewing the results favoring the M5.

At the end of the video the M5 hit 290 KPH (180 MPH) while the S6 was only at 267 KPH (166 MPH). That equates to a 14 MPH difference. Surely if the S6 used LC it would have likely gained an additional 8 MPH or so at the launch in a fraction of a second. So really in the end the M5 is MAYBE 6 MPH faster than a stock S6 to top speed.

I would imagine with the help of APR's recalibration, which adds 102 hp and 138 tq, we would see these results inverted.




http://youtu.be/lQMdmo_Rq5k


It doesn't work that way. Either way your not gaining 8mph on the top end bc of launch control. A stock S6 is slightly slower than my B8 S4 and my cousins F10 M5 walks all over me. Stock M5's are running low 9's 60-130.

[FourRingRider]

It doesn't work that way. Either way your not gaining 8mph on the top end bc of launch control. A stock S6 is slightly slower than my B8 S4 and my cousins F10 M5 walks all over me. Stock M5's are running low 9's 60-130.

So are you saying that if the S6 utilized LC that the 14 mph gap would not have been narrowed at all? Please explain.

And there is NO way a stock S6 is slower than a B8 S4 (tuned or not). I own both, and the S6 is significantly quicker all around.

[Ynnekdude]

So are you saying that if the S6 utilized LC that the 14 mph gap would not have been narrowed at all? Please explain.

And there is NO way a stock S6 is slower than a B8 S4 (tuned or not). I own both, and the S6 is significantly quicker all around.

Not true. A healthy stage II should take a stock S6. Apples to oranges obviously but I had to address it.

Also, a GTR will embarrass a stage I S6... They are on a completely different playing field. That's not to say the S6 is a slouch by any means, especially when tuned.

[DeerHunter]

Not true. A healthy stage II should take a stock S6. Apples to oranges obviously but I had to address it.

The video from this thread (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/508656-S6-vs-B8-S4-(Stage-2-)) appears to show otherwise:


http://youtu.be/8rmmdoBD53E


Now that Fonzie has the APR tune, we should get him to re-enact this face-off.

[Fonzie@DipYourCar]

The video from this thread (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/508656-S6-vs-B8-S4-(Stage-2-)) appears to show otherwise:


http://youtu.be/8rmmdoBD53E


Now that Fonzie has the APR tune, we should get him to re-enact this face-off.

Not a bad idea ;)

[FourRingRider]

Also, a GTR will embarrass a stage I S6... They are on a completely different playing field. That's not to say the S6 is a slouch by any means, especially when tuned.

IMHO I feel it's difficult to embarrass a 4,400lb "luxo-barge" sedan that nearly runs neck and neck vs a "super car" that has won so many accolades for its acceleration. I've run against a few R35 GTRs already. From a roll, against two different stock 2009 GTRs (480 hp) the stock S6 stays side by side and once over 100 mph it ever so slowly inches away. I've replicated this several times, always the same result. I will say though the 2012+ GTR Black Edition (530hp) is noticeably quicker than the stock S6... but with this APR software recalibration I know the recalibrated S6 would be FASTER (from a roll) than a 2009-2011 GTR. Once tuned, a run against a 2012+ GTR will likely result in both cars running neck and neck WOT from a roll. At worst, the 12+ GTR would be marginally quicker. I guess when it comes down to straight line acceleration, it sounds like the same playing field to me!

[sciblades]

I think people are getting confused, for the money our cars are amazing. the gtr cost how much? with that extra 20k you can buy a lot of mods for your s6

[Ynnekdude]

I didn't say it would be a definite outcome in the Stage II B8 S4 vs. Stock S6. Just said it "should." By healthy stage II, I'm talking prime/richi (I know they are the fastest of the fast).


IMHO I feel it's difficult to embarrass a 4,400lb "luxo-barge" sedan that nearly runs neck and neck vs a "super car" that has won so many accolades for its acceleration. I've run against a few R35 GTRs already. From a roll, against two different stock 2009 GTRs (480 hp) the stock S6 stays side by side and once over 100 mph it ever so slowly inches away. I've replicated this several times, always the same result. I will say though the 2012+ GTR Black Edition (530hp) is noticeably quicker than the stock S6... but with this APR software recalibration I know the recalibrated S6 would be FASTER (from a roll) than a 2009-2011 GTR. Once tuned, a run against a 2012+ GTR will likely result in both cars running neck and neck WOT from a roll. At worst, the 12+ GTR would be marginally quicker. I guess when it comes down to straight line acceleration, it sounds like the same playing field to me!

Heck, post up some videos. I still don't think an S6 is going to make new GTR sweat. 2012s run 1/4th in 11.2 stock, trap 122mph. 2013s do it at 10.8, trap 125mph.

New S6 is, without a doubt, one hell of a car. Even crazier with a tune. But, I don't see them running with GTRs.

[FuchsB]

I think people are getting confused, for the money our cars are amazing. the gtr cost how much? with that extra 20k you can buy a lot of mods for your s6

+1 IMO I would take a stock or tuned S6 over a GTR anyday. At the end of a day its a Nissan with a big motor in it.

[yas]

Just need an S6 now... [:D]

Holding out for a US version of the RS avant… but damn this is tempting.

[yas]

+1 IMO I would take a stock or tuned S6 over a GTR anyday. At the end of a day its a Nissan with a big motor in it.

I don't get it at all. If you're cross shopping an S6 and a GTR, I think you're doing it wrong. Two very different cars.

But this is AZ. Obviously I'm biased towards the S6.

[FourRingRider]

I don't get it at all. If you're cross shopping an S6 and a GTR, I think you're doing it wrong. Two very different cars.

But this is AZ. Obviously I'm biased towards the S6.

I cross shopped the S6 and the GTR since they are the same price point. My S6 sticker was $90k and a new 2012 GTR was $96k. And it turns out the GTR has more play in the price than the S6. Being a huge car nut, when I shop for a vehicle I don't always have a particular purpose in mind.

[drive]

[The_Transporter]

Arin, are us 3.0Ters ever going to get program switching?

Still waiting for this to be answered myself! I feel like APR treats the A6 3.0T owners like the red-headed stepchild of the 3.0T world....a little bit sad considering the price and brand loyalty.

[Info@EuroCode]

Drove APR's S7 at the distributor confrence this weekend. The power is wonderful. Cannot wait until the file is ready for our S6 (dreaded version 4.0 ECU) [mad]

[Fonzie@DipYourCar]

Drove APR's S7 at the distributor confrence this weekend. The power is wonderful. Cannot wait until the file is ready for our S6 (dreaded version 4.0 ECU) [mad]

Nooooooooo :(

[Chipless]

Drove APR's S7 at the distributor confrence this weekend. The power is wonderful. Cannot wait until the file is ready for our S6 (dreaded version 4.0 ECU) [mad]
I'm confused. Wasn't the purpose of this thread to introduce their new S6 and S7 tunes for the 4.0? [confused]

[Info@EuroCode]

I'm confused. Wasn't the purpose of this thread to introduce their new S6 and S7 tunes for the 4.0? [confused]
Periodically Audi/VW will update ECU's (typically to fix known issue, think of it as a firmware update). Revision 4 on the 4.0T was one that APR had not been presented yet. The expert calibrators are taking care of it right now.

[FourRingRider]

I'm confused. Wasn't the purpose of this thread to introduce their new S6 and S7 tunes for the 4.0? [confused]

Surprised this hasn't been mentioned until now.

APR developed the tune on their S7's ECU. From what I was told, after the official launch they were bombarded with customer ECUs and quickly discovered there were some different firmware revisions of the same ECU, which they don't yet have software for.

I sent my "revision 2" ECU to them last week and just found out today that they do not yet have software for it. APR extracted the OEM software from my ECU and are working on creating a tuned version of it as we speak. I was quoted another 1-2 weeks for completion.

You can check your ECU revision on VAG-COM by clicking 01-Engine> then you should see your revision number where it says "Extra: xxxx" Mine said "Geraet 00200". APR advised this means revision 2.

[Chipless]

Surprised this hasn't been mentioned until now.

APR developed the tune on their S7's ECU. From what I was told, after the official launch they were bombarded with customer ECUs and quickly discovered there were some different firmware revisions of the same ECU, which they don't yet have software for.

I sent my "revision 2" ECU to them last week and just found out today that they do not yet have software for it. APR extracted the OEM software from my ECU and are working on creating a tuned version of it as we speak. I was quoted another 1-2 weeks for completion.

You can check your ECU revision on VAG-COM by clicking 01-Engine> then you should see your revision number where it says "Extra: xxxx" Mine said "Geraet 00200". APR advised this means revision 2.
Appreciate the explanation. I am not sure how I was the only one who had no idea what was going on here. [confused]

Anyways, how does one find/access the "VAG-COM" menu you mentioned here? Is this part of the MMI interface?

[FourRingRider]

Appreciate the explanation. I am not sure how I was the only one who had no idea what was going on here. [confused]

Anyways, how does one find/access the "VAG-COM" menu you mentioned here? Is this part of the MMI interface?

You have to use the Ross-tech VCDS cable & software aka VAG-COM. Once in the software you select module "Engine-01" and the info is displayed right there.

http://www.ross-tech.com/

[Arin@APR]

Every time software comes out on any platform there are always multiple revisions, box codes, etc. I've yet to see a single vehicle with only one revision. We simply need a code extract from each box code to make software. It's a standard process.

[Ynnekdude]

Every time software comes out on any platform there are always multiple revisions, box codes, etc. I've yet to see a single vehicle with only one revision. We simply need a code extract from each box code to make software. It's a standard process.

.

They had to do it for my car. No biggie.

Arin, asked before but you may have missed it: Any plans for program switching on the C6 3.0T? I'm heading to the strip soon. Would love to have a 100 oct tune to go along with me.

[Arin@APR]

I'm not sure yet.

[sciblades]

if you want to log our cars you need the new beta software...

[FourRingRider]

Every time software comes out on any platform there are always multiple revisions, box codes, etc. I've yet to see a single vehicle with only one revision. We simply need a code extract from each box code to make software. It's a standard process.

Makes perfect sense, thanks for the info Arin!

[FourRingRider]

I was just advised that the current wait on the "revision 2" ECU software is 2-weeks but could take longer. Will keep rev 2'ers updated when it's available!

[jason427]

Congratulations!
Nice work...

[DrRodge]

IMHO I feel it's difficult to embarrass a 4,400lb "luxo-barge" sedan that nearly runs neck and neck vs a "super car" that has won so many accolades for its acceleration. I've run against a few R35 GTRs already. From a roll, against two different stock 2009 GTRs (480 hp) the stock S6 stays side by side and once over 100 mph it ever so slowly inches away. I've replicated this several times, always the same result. I will say though the 2012+ GTR Black Edition (530hp) is noticeably quicker than the stock S6... but with this APR software recalibration I know the recalibrated S6 would be FASTER (from a roll) than a 2009-2011 GTR. Once tuned, a run against a 2012+ GTR will likely result in both cars running neck and neck WOT from a roll. At worst, the 12+ GTR would be marginally quicker. I guess when it comes down to straight line acceleration, it sounds like the same playing field to me!

I'll take that race

[dans]

Surprised this hasn't been mentioned until now.

You can check your ECU revision on VAG-COM by clicking 01-Engine> then you should see your revision number where it says "Extra: xxxx" Mine said "Geraet 00200". APR advised this means revision 2.


Thank you for the heads up, i just hooked up my VAG-COM to check before i pulled the ECU, sure enough i have a revision 2 as well...hopefully its only a couple more weeks!

[eyelise]

Arin,

Are you able to flash the newer ECU versions? I'll be receiving my S7 shortly.

[Arin@APR]

It depends on the version you get. We'll only be able to tell when you visit the dealer.

[dans]

It depends on the version you get. We'll only be able to tell when you visit the dealer.

Is the S6 "Geraet 00200" ECU available yet?

[Smile83]

Rev. 4 ECM here. was told it will take at least 6 months.....

[CreoSTi]

Boo...Guess I'll have to make do with just an exhaust for a while...

[Smile83]

APR Representative,

Any updates/progress on exhausts and/or tune for Rev. 4 and 6 ECM?

[Arin@APR]

Yes. We are releasing this today or tomorrow.

[gatorguy]

Will it ever be possible to flash through the OBD port?

[phillyfan1]

Will it ever be possible to flash through the OBD port?

+1

[Arin@APR]

Probably not.

[gatorguy]

Probably not.

Thanks for being honest. I would just say that there are a number of potential customers who are worried about the warranty impact of flashing. The ability to reflash easier would be one way to help deal with these concerns.

[Arin@APR]

I completely understand, but I don't think it's going to happen on these Bosch ECUS.

[CreoSTi]

Arin, is the flash going to happen through the authorized dealer tools? Or do we have to ship the ECU to APR?

[Arin@APR]

At all local APR dealers.

[CreoSTi]

At all local APR dealers.

That shouldn't be a big deal then. My S4's ECU has been shipped twice to you guys, and dealer tool flashed once. [:)]

[Pip]

At all local APR dealers.

Hi Arin :)

I'm keen to do mine ... my local APR dealer (in Singapore) hasn't gotten back to me.

Is my local Singapore dealer equipped to do the ECU pull out upgrade ?

or do I have to send the ECU to the States ?

[Arin@APR]

Updated! The previously unavailable ECU Box Codes and Revisions are now available in North America at all APR Dealers. The ROW will follow.

[Fast4DR S6]

Had my beast tuned at my local APR dealer last week. OMG it is totally mental!!!!

Can not wait to run some 100 octane in its veins soon. Here on the East Coast run 93 octane as my DD.

[S7_UAE]

Had my beast tuned at my local APR dealer last week. OMG it is totally mental!!!!

Can not wait to run some 100 octane in its veins soon. Here on the East Coast run 93 octane as my DD.

Grab your phone n go launch that beast from 0.

[sronin13]

amazing stuff

[sciblades]

Grab your phone n go launch that beast from 0.

X2

Sent from my Z10 using Tapatalk 2

[dpebenito]

Arin, any ill-effects of using simple 91 octane fuel on a daily basis with this tune?

[Arin@APR]

Nope. We have 91, 93 and 100 octane modes. So, run the mode equal less than the fuel quality in the tank. : )

[CreoSTi]

Like Arin said, there's no problem running the 91 octane tune. Make sure you also get the 100 octane tune for those days... [:D]

[dpebenito]

[QUOTE=Arin@APR;8460987]For those looking to see what it put down to all 4 on our dyno, here you go. It's actually listed in the links above, but I heard some grumblings on the internet from those who couldn't click on links and just like to complain. ; )

Arin,

Just tried to have my APR ECU upgrade done but APR dealer told me that APR has not yet done the code for my 2014 S6. Do you know when that will be available?

[dpebenito]

[QUOTE=Arin@APR;8460987]For those looking to see what it put down to all 4 on our dyno, here you go. It's actually listed in the links above, but I heard some grumblings on the internet from those who couldn't click on links and just like to complain. ; )

Arin,

Just tried to have my APR ECU upgrade done but APR dealer told me that APR has not yet done the code for my 2014 S6. Do you know when that will be available?

Anyone else have a 2014 S6 and is going to do the APR upgrade???

[Delurker]

2013, but I'm going to get this tune after I catch up with the TSBs/recalls at my 5K service. That'll give me a chance to get to know my service guy too. Maybe one of my local tuners will give me a deal on reflashes from there on.

[dab]

Like Arin said, there's no problem running the 91 octane tune. Make sure you also get the 100 octane tune for those days... [:D]

Easy way to use the 100 octane setting without race fuel is aces iv fuel additive. My 03 rs6 apr chipped runs the 100 octane setting all the time with a couple of ounces per tank full.

[CreoSTi]

Easy way to use the 100 octane setting without race fuel is aces iv fuel additive. My 03 rs6 apr chipped runs the 100 octane setting all the time with a couple of ounces per tank full.

It depends on the additive/octane booster used, too (i.e. Toluene, Xylene, NOS Racing Formula, Torco, etc.). Just make sure you read the instructions/mixing ratios carefully.

I personally don't like running "octane boosters" on race gas programs (and deal with the hassle of proper mixing), but I'm fortunate in that I have a gas station less than a mile away that sells 100 octane at the pump. [:)]

[dab]

It depends on the additive/octane booster used, too (i.e. Toluene, Xylene, NOS Racing Formula, Torco, etc.). Just make sure you read the instructions/mixing ratios carefully.

I personally don't like running "octane boosters" on race gas programs (and deal with the hassle of proper mixing), but I'm fortunate in that I have a gas station less than a mile away that sells 100 octane at the pump. [:)]

There is no mixology reguired 2.5 ounces per tank full of gas. I have been running it for two years with no ill effects. Multiple rs/6s have done the same with the same smile per mile.

[ecpChris]

I can assure you there is no additive that you add a couple of ounces in that will bring you to 100 octane. Fuel is what I do for a living and we recently did a large study on additives. The best kick we saw on a premium fuel (93 octane) was around 96.8 r+m/2 with additive. NOS was 2nd best from that result. Long way from 100 octane.
Toluene works as well but isn't going to get you much past what the best MMT additive will. Not to mention, the higher concentration you use of toluene and/or MMT additives the worse it is for your car
MMT leaves deposits on the pistons, valves, etc andexcessive toleune puts wear and tear on the fuel components

[ecpChris]

Dab, have you guys logged timing on the 100 octane tune and fuel additive? Either the tune isn't getting the max timing or timing is being pulled due to knock. I'm sorry but additives aren't getting you 100 octane

[CreoSTi]

MMT leaves deposits on the pistons, valves, etc andexcessive toleune puts wear and tear on the fuel components

And that's another one of the major reasons I would rather just fill up 100 octane at the pump. [:)]

[gatorguy]

I can assure you there is no additive that you add a couple of ounces in that will bring you to 100 octane. Fuel is what I do for a living and we recently did a large study on additives. The best kick we saw on a premium fuel (93 octane) was around 96.8 r+m/2 with additive. NOS was 2nd best from that result. Long way from 100 octane.
Toluene works as well but isn't going to get you much past what the best MMT additive will. Not to mention, the higher concentration you use of toluene and/or MMT additives the worse it is for your car
MMT leaves deposits on the pistons, valves, etc andexcessive toleune puts wear and tear on the fuel components

Good to know. Thanks for the info. So which additive did you think was the best performance and best for the car?

[TimTaylor]

Love the tune so far, any plans on a stage 2 tune to be released?

[ecpChris]

Good to know. Thanks for the info. So which additive did you think was the best performance and best for the car?
Infrequent use - the NOS additive. I wouldn't throw that in a tank of 93 and expect to safely run the 100 octane tune though.
The safest - which I have done and still do on my race ski every ride - is toluene blending but I don't use too much. If you are really interested shoot me a pm and I can come up with a calc for you on how much to use

[ecpChris]

Love the tune so far, any plans on a stage 2 tune to be released?

My guess is APR will release an intake, exhaust, and catted high flow downpipes first then maybe we will get a stg 1.5 or stg 2 tune. I don't think our cars will handle above and beyond without better pistons and possibly beefing up the tranny.

[Fast4DR S6]

Stage 1 is all this car needs, perfect family sedan. Once APR gets an exhaust and downpipes released it will be perfect.

[dab]

Dab, have you guys logged timing on the 100 octane tune and fuel additive? Either the tune isn't getting the max timing or timing is being pulled due to knock. I'm sorry but additives aren't getting you 100 octane

No I haven't logged timing and there is no engine knock. Seat of the pants performance. BND automotive very knowledgeable dudes

ACES IV Gasoline Formula chemically changes 87 octane fuel up to a 96 octane effect, 89 to up to 98 and 93 is improved up to a 102 Motor (112 Research) octane effect. It contains a high quality fuel injector/carburetor cleaner for proper spray patterns.

ACES IV also has 5 times the synthetic lead byproduct that produces a copious upper cylinder lubricant that reduces cylinder/bore wear by 600% and valve recession by 360%

[DeerHunter]

ACES IV Gasoline Formula chemically changes 87 octane fuel up to a 96 octane effect, 89 to up to 98 and 93 is improved up to a 102 Motor (112 Research) octane effect. It contains a high quality fuel injector/carburetor cleaner for proper spray patterns.

ACES IV also has 5 times the synthetic lead byproduct that produces a copious upper cylinder lubricant that reduces cylinder/bore wear by 600% and valve recession by 360%

Wow, that sounds just like ad copy.

Everything I've ever read on the subject says that it's just not chemically possible to change the octane rating of gasoline by more than a point or two with a standard-size can of additive. Sorry, I don't buy it.

[ecpChris]

You can actually go a few points with MMT. the ACES thing is surely snake oil. If someone has some I will gladly use my lab to test for free and report the results. I've done that on other forums with other additives. People are typically surprised with the results to say the least.

[dab]

You can actually go a few points with MMT. the ACES thing is surely snake oil. If someone has some I will gladly use my lab to test for free and report the results. I've done that on other forums with other additives. People are typically surprised with the results to say the least.

whatever you guys are the experts. I don't work for this company, just saying I run my apr chip at 100 octane all the time with a huge difference in performance and no issues with knock. This additive was used by multiple rs6s with the same results, in fact the only reason I started using the product was info on rs6.com.

[sciblades]

might as well give him something to test, see where it actually puts you lets you know that with the actual oct level you can get even higher gains

[ecpChris]

Dab,
Not trying to argue but some people just don't know and read this shit and start doing it. Little do they know they are riding the knock sensor and pulling timing or causing buildup on their pistons and valves. Knock isn't always audible and the only way to tell if your car is running at full potential is by logging. Just trying to help man.
If anyone has any questions about the fuel or additive side I'd be glad to help. I've tested most additives and all high octane fuels.

[Arin@APR]

Arin,

Just tried to have my APR ECU upgrade done but APR dealer told me that APR has not yet done the code for my 2014 S6. Do you know when that will be available?

The 2014 showed up today. We've extracted the ECU and are working on the software now. IIRC, you were working with 034. Engineering is keeping them in the loop to make sure you're updated when it's ready to go!

[dpebenito]

The 2014 showed up today. We've extracted the ECU and are working on the software now. IIRC, you were working with 034. Engineering is keeping them in the loop to make sure you're updated when it's ready to go!

yes, that's correct, 034. Ok, thanks. Looking forward to seeing it available. Is that typically a couple of weeks you think? Need to look at the coming weeks and what's available for me to take the day off. thanks!

[CreoSTi]

Engineering is keeping them in the loop to make sure you're updated when it's ready to go!

Update all of us... [:p]

[Arin@APR]

yes, that's correct, 034. Ok, thanks. Looking forward to seeing it available. Is that typically a couple of weeks you think? Need to look at the coming weeks and what's available for me to take the day off. thanks!

Sean said it should be ready next week.

[dpebenito]

Sean said it should be ready next week.

SWEET!

[Info@EuroCode]

For those of you who are in SoCal, come by the SoCal Euro Big GTG on Sunday the 14th. We will be making some 1/8 mile passes with our APR Tuned 2013 S6

[Arin@APR]

The new 4G0906014E S0001 is now ready! Go get updated!

[CreoSTi]

Gotta break the car in first... [;)]

[Arin@APR]

We can help.

[CreoSTi]

We can help.

I know you can, Arin. [:p] 700 miles to go...

[gatorguy]

With GIAC releasing their DSG tune, and stating it isn't compatible with other ECU tunes, will APR be releasing a DSG tune (soonish)?

[Sean@APR]

With GIAC releasing their DSG tune, and stating it isn't compatible with other ECU tunes, will APR be releasing a DSG tune (soonish)?

It's in the works.

[Arin@APR]

With GIAC releasing their DSG tune, and stating it isn't compatible with other ECU tunes, will APR be releasing a DSG tune (soonish)?

We have DSG tuning all planned. However, our smaller engine programs will be releasing first as it's not really much of an improvement on the 4.0T as it can be on other platforms.

[cramazing]

sorry for the newbie question, but what is a DSG tune and how is it different from the regular tune?

[kevinw23]

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[gfc1976]

hello I tried to upgrade my S7 in Chile with the local APR dealer, for some reason he plugged the computer and tells me is impossible to upgrade the ecu, and that the only way is removing the ecu and shipping it to APR USA to have it done there (means having no car for 2 weeks at least). can he be right or is just that he haves no clue of what they are doing?

[S6Jouster]

hello I tried to upgrade my S7 in Chile with the local APR dealer, for some reason he plugged the computer and tells me is impossible to upgrade the ecu, and that the only way is removing the ecu and shipping it to APR USA to have it done there (means having no car for 2 weeks at least). can he be right or is just that he haves no clue of what they are doing?

this is not only a OBD tune. it is a bench tune and for the s6/s7 you will need to pull the ecu.

[CreoSTi]

sorry for the newbie question, but what is a DSG tune and how is it different from the regular tune?

DSG tune is for the transmission only (S tronic gearbox found in the S4/S5/RS5/S6/S7/R8). The regular (ECU) tune is for the engine.

[RSteve]

Dab,
Not trying to argue but some people just don't know and read this shit and start doing it. Little do they know they are riding the knock sensor and pulling timing or causing buildup on their pistons and valves. Knock isn't always audible and the only way to tell if your car is running at full potential is by logging. Just trying to help man.
If anyone has any questions about the fuel or additive side I'd be glad to help. I've tested most additives and all high octane fuels.

Chris,

New to the board. Did you ever have an opportunity to test ACES IV?


Steve

Current ride: 2007 RS4

[ecpChris]

Chris,

New to the board. Did you ever have an opportunity to test ACES IV?


Steve

Current ride: 2007 RS4

I'll have to check the list of additives we tested when I get back to the office thurs. I have the capability to test any though so if I didn't I can


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[lnferno]

Arin -- can you talk to what high elevation testing/tuning you've done with this software for the C7 S6? I'm in Colorado at 6500' altitude, so I'm very curious to what extent that has played into APR's R&D?

[Arin@APR]

Arin -- can you talk to what high elevation testing/tuning you've done with this software for the C7 S6? I'm in Colorado at 6500' altitude, so I'm very curious to what extent that has played into APR's R&D?

The 4.0T uses a Bosch MED17 ECU that's based on speed density. For altitude, it uses closed loop feedback and factory compensational data to adjust for things like ambient pressure. This is pretty different compared to other ECUs, like those found in an Evo, Sti, or other older vehicle.

You can drive your car with our software from below sea level to the top of the mountain without any issues or need to recalibrate the ECU.

[lnferno]

The 4.0T uses a Bosch MED17 ECU that's based on speed density. For altitude, it uses closed loop feedback and factory compensational data to adjust for things like ambient pressure. This is pretty different compared to other ECUs, like those found in an Evo, Sti, or other older vehicle.

You can drive your car with our software from below sea level to the top of the mountain without any issues or need to recalibrate the ECU.

Thanks for your response. That's good to hear. Next question - - when is your next major seasonal sale? [:)]

[eyelise]

I recently had my 2013 S7 flashed. I also purchased the mobile dongle and plugged it into the OBD. I downloaded the iPhone APP but when I try to use the smartphone I get the message that the dongle is offline. If I try the EMCS I get a message EMCS is not enabled on this car. Can anyone help?

[kiku]

Check your Bluetooth setting first. Then launch the app.

Sometimes I have to turn off my car, the power it back on in accessory mode to get it to work.

[Arin@APR]

http://www.goapr.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/s6-s7-release-small.png

Version 1.1 is now available for the S6 and S7 4.0 TFSI offering more power and torque, as well as a smoother, more refined, driving experience. APR’s engineers have unlocked 627 ft-lbs of torque and 563 horsepower with this new Stage I ECU Upgrade with as much as 187 ft-lbs and 125 horsepower over stock on 93 octane! Those looking for even more power can use the 100 octane race fuel mode to boost output to 635 ft-lbs and 578 horsepower! The upgrade is offered for free to existing APR ECU Upgrade customers and is available at dealers worldwide.

http://www.goapr.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/40tfsi_c7_s6s7_s1_v1_vs_s1_v2_93_cc.png

All ECU box codes we have on file are fully updated and ready for a full release:


4G0906014 S0003
4G0906014 S0004
4G0906014 S0007
4G0906014 S0008
4G0906014 S0009
4G0906014A S0004
4G0906014A S0006
4G0906014A S0007
4G0906014B S0001
4G0906014B S0002
4G0906014B S0006
4G0906014B S0007
4G0906014E S0001
4G0906014E S0002
4G0906014E S0003
4G0906014E S0004


Please visit our product page for more details including dyno graphs at the wheels, estimated at the crank and gain over stock for 91, 93 and 100 octane!

Product Page:
http://www.goapr.com/products/ecu_upgrade_40tfsi_s6s7.html

[lnferno]

http://www.goapr.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/s6-s7-release-small.png

Version 1.1 is now available for the S6 and S7 4.0 TFSI offering more power and torque, as well as a smoother, more refined, driving experience. APR’s engineers have unlocked 627 ft-lbs of torque and 563 horsepower with this new Stage I ECU Upgrade with as much as 187 ft-lbs and 125 horsepower over stock on 93 octane! Those looking for even more power can use the 100 octane race fuel mode to boost output to 635 ft-lbs and 578 horsepower! The upgrade is offered for free to existing APR ECU Upgrade customers and is available at dealers worldwide.

http://www.goapr.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/40tfsi_c7_s6s7_s1_v1_vs_s1_v2_93_cc.png

All ECU box codes we have on file are fully updated and ready for a full release:


4G0906014 S0003
4G0906014 S0004
4G0906014 S0007
4G0906014 S0008
4G0906014 S0009
4G0906014A S0004
4G0906014A S0006
4G0906014A S0007
4G0906014B S0001
4G0906014B S0002
4G0906014B S0006
4G0906014B S0007
4G0906014E S0001
4G0906014E S0002
4G0906014E S0003
4G0906014E S0004


Please visit our product page for more details including dyno graphs at the wheels, estimated at the crank and gain over stock for 91, 93 and 100 octane!

Product Page:
http://www.goapr.com/products/ecu_upgrade_40tfsi_s6s7.html

Arin -- this is great news! Do you have info on the gains for the programs over 1.0?

Thanks!

[Arin@APR]

Arin -- this is great news! Do you have info on the gains for the programs over 1.0?

Yup! Right in the release. There's 93 v1.0 vs 93 v1.1.

Here are the gain figures:

http://www.goapr.com/includes/img/products/dyno/40tfsi_c7_s6s7/40tfsi_c7_s6s7_s1_v1_vs_s1_v2_93_gain.png

Moreover the gains, I think you'll notice more consistent performance and smoothness.

[lnferno]

That's awesome, Arin! Thanks!

[Brooklyn]

wowzers! The torque is insane. Poor man's RS6/7+!

[07S6]

Is the 93 vs. 91 octane gas alone enough to create that much difference in torque? i question becausee the variance is so much smaller when you go up to 100 octane.

[Fast4DR S6]

Most important thing above all the increases in HP/TQ is that we are running well over 600HP on our DCT transmission. Does APR have inside spec sheets on the upper threshold limits on the OEM S6/S7 DCT?

No other tuner has even came close to these TQ figures on Stage 1, its a Great Day!




Is the 93 vs. 91 octane gas alone enough to create that much difference in torque? i question becausee the variance is so much smaller when you go up to 100 octane.

[grc]

What is the max torque that DSG can take? It seems that the flash brings the torque to RS7 levels. If I recall correctly Audi decided that DSG cannot take that much torque thus they used ZF transmission.

[LINDW4LL]

I think the trend with Audi/VW DSG gearboxes has been that they are able to easily exceed their factory specified torque limit by quite a bit. Lots of VW guys have done big turbo builds on the DSG without issues.

As more mods become available (turbo upgrades, etc), it's possible that the clutch packs may not be able to hold all of the torque. That could likely be solved by a DSG tune, as they can increase the line pressure/clamping force of the stock clutch packs to allow for more holding power.

[Fast4DR S6]

That has always been the variable, but my assumption was that the newer generation DCT could handle much more as did the previous generation DCT.

Completely my opinion and take it with a grain of salt, but going with ZF may not ALL be about handling increased power but other factors such as fuel efficiency and smoothness of ride. Audi I am sure has certain thresholds that the ZF handled better for a car well over $120K for customers.


What is the max torque that DSG can take? It seems that the flash brings the torque to RS7 levels. If I recall correctly Audi decided that DSG cannot take that much torque thus they used ZF transmission.

[MileMan402]

So speaking of the DSG...how about a tune for that too? [:D]

[grc]

That has always been the variable, but my assumption was that the newer generation DCT could handle much more as did the previous generation DCT.

Completely my opinion and take it with a grain of salt, but going with ZF may not ALL be about handling increased power but other factors such as fuel efficiency and smoothness of ride. Audi I am sure has certain thresholds that the ZF handled better for a car well over $120K for customers.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-shift_gearbox : " It has a torque handling limit of up to 600 N·m (440 lb·ft),[7] and engine power outputs of up to 330 kW (450 PS; 440 bhp)."
This is 2009 data

[BlueSVT]

So speaking of the DSG...how about a tune for that too? [:D]

This!!!!

[ronbars]

Maximum stated torque capacity from this Audi Self Study Program outlining new technology from 2009-2010 is 550Nm (406.6 ft-lbs.) which is what Audi advertises, coincidentally. Though we know it makes a good bit more than that even stock. http://www.ronbars.com/pics/s6/DL501.jpg

[eyeloveteeth]

Maximum stated torque capacity from this Audi Self Study Program outlining new technology from 2009-2010 is 550Nm (406.6 ft-lbs.) which is what Audi advertises, coincidentally. Though we know it makes a good bit more than that even stock. http://www.ronbars.com/pics/s6/DL501.jpg

so why doesn't anyone just call Bosche? my german sucks

[kouzman]

Maximum stated torque capacity from this Audi Self Study Program outlining new technology from 2009-2010 is 550Nm (406.6 ft-lbs.) which is what Audi advertises, coincidentally. Though we know it makes a good bit more than that even stock. http://www.ronbars.com/pics/s6/DL501.jpg

I think the trick here is the 9000 rpm... 550 Nm at 9000 rpm! Who knows that this type of rating means exactly? Given that the 4.0TT does not rev more than ~6500rpm is it safe to assume that the rating at lesser rpm is much greater?

[ronbars]

Good question. Based on them not offering the DSG in anything that makes more than a claimed 406 ft-lbs. of torque, I assumed they were expressing an absolute maximum input RPM (9000) and an absolute maximum input torque (550Nm/406.6 ft-lbs.) It didn't occur to me that the torque capacity might be RPM sensitive, but of course that could be the case.

[eyeloveteeth]

Good question. Based on them not offering the DSG in anything that makes more than a claimed 406 ft-lbs. of torque, I assumed they were expressing an absolute maximum input RPM (9000) and an absolute maximum input torque (550Nm/406.6 ft-lbs.) It didn't occur to me that the torque capacity might be RPM sensitive, but of course that could be the case.

but that wouldn't make sense as the S6/S7 already makes more than 406 ft lb tq stock. What really doesn't make sense is @ 9000RPM... i'm having a hard time understand why higher revs would affect the net force in tq. (not a physicist, just trying to understand).

like, irregardless of the engine's RPM capacity - isn't the torque force a combination of XYZ torque? so isn't 550Nm just 550Nm? why does it matter what the engine is spinning at. shouldn't 550Nm @ 3000 RPM be the same as 550Nm @ 9000?

[ronbars]

Dynos have revealed that the S6/S7 it makes more than 406, but they don't advertise more than 406 and they don't offer it on anything making more than a claimed 406 (i.e. the S8 or RS7) which is what got me wondering to begin with. Obviously it can and does handle more, but there's no way to know how much additional headroom that 406 figure allows for and what price you pay longevity-wise for throwing more at it. I think it's safe to assume it'd handle the stock torque levels (which are higher than 406) for the "lifetime" of the vehicle, so maybe 406 is the lowest limit it will handle with the minimum serviceable clutch friction material left? I'd love to know for sure!

I hadn't even considered that the maximum input torque rating would have anything to do with the RPM, which is why I mentioned I wasn't certain when kouzman brought it up. I suspect that it the two figures are two separate statistics presented on a single line for brevity and that they don't otherwise have anything to do with each other, but I don't know enough about it to completely discount it so I can't be sure.

[kouzman]

I ll do some reading tonight to see if I come up with any useful articles. Interesting stuff!

[VVG]

This is probably why nobody is having transmission failures with a stage 1 tune. The basic formula for converting torque to power is (torque in lb-ft * rpm)/5250=hp. Therefore a motor producing 406lb-ft of torque at 9000rpm is producing 696hp. The mechanical stress is well beyond that caused by the 560-580hp of stage 1 tunes.

Even with 630lb-ft at 3000rpm, that calculates to 358hp. This is also visually seen on the graph. Think of torque as the amount of "push" with each explosion and power stroke in a 4-stroke internal combustion engine. Torque * rpm is an indicator, then, of total mechanical stress.

I would be interested to know what was done that allowed this amount of extra torque to be unlocked SAFELY, that was not known before.

[kouzman]

I would be interested to know what was done that allowed this amount of extra torque to be unlocked SAFELY, that was not known before.

+1 on this.

It seems that they increased boost levels a bit for the torque to jump another ~55 ft-lbs

[Brooklyn]

As a prospective customer I'd certainly appreciate getting more details than a vague "we worked our magic and found a few extra horses" type of announcement. I still can't get over the torque numbers. That's E63 fighting territory!

[siberianwolf]

I thought that S6 was using DL511-7Q, not DL501-7Q [confused]

[grc]

I thought that S6 was using DL511-7Q, not DL501-7Q [confused]

Yes S6 has DL511-7Q.

Post # 5 in the following link has a description of the 4.0 V8 engine. You can see the transmission and differences between some variants of this engine. Interestingly the increased power/torque of the high end models is not coming only from ECU programming. One notable difference is that the higher output versions have air induction for both cylinder banks, while the S6/S7 version has single air induction for both turbochargers. Compression ratio is also different.
http://www.audiworld.com/forums/s6-c7-platform-discussion-199/some-technical-information-v8-biturbo-tfsi-2843920/

Based on that, I am also very interested to know how APR can extract that much performance with only software changes and what are the limits of the powertrain.

[ronbars]

I've seen mention made of the DL511-7Q in that Self Study Program, but I've never been able to find more information on it. Part of me thinks it was a typo in the SSP.

A VCDS scan on my 2013 S6 shows Component: 0B5 40TFSINAR H01 0009 and we know service designation 0B5 is the DL501-7Q. Has VAG ever used one service designation code for multiple (different) items? And has anyone with an S6/S7 seen anything other than 0B5 in a VCDS scan?

[kouzman]

Yes S6 has DL511-7Q.

Post # 5 in the following link has a description of the 4.0 V8 engine. You can see the transmission and differences between some variants of this engine. Interestingly the increased power/torque of the high end models is not coming only from ECU programming. One notable difference is that the higher output versions have air induction for both cylinder banks, while the S6/S7 version has single air induction for both turbochargers. Compression ratio is also different.
http://www.audiworld.com/forums/s6-c7-platform-discussion-199/some-technical-information-v8-biturbo-tfsi-2843920/

Based on that, I am also very interested to know how APR can extract that much performance with only software changes and what are the limits of the powertrain.

The S6/S7/RS7 difference in the induction system is due to space restrictions. Everything in the engine bay is very tight, compared to the A8 which has a ton of room... I am not sure if the engine would perform better in terms of air flow with the two big air boxes compared to the one.

[Arin@APR]

As a prospective customer I'd certainly appreciate getting more details than a vague "we worked our magic and found a few extra horses" type of announcement.

The S6/S7 was the first 4.0T we calibrated. In the years since we've completely reworked our calibration department, hiring new, full time, calibrator only type positions. Those calibrators have then written software, both released, beta, and custom for the S8 Stage 1, and 2, RS6 and RS7 Stage 1, 2, and custom big turbo kits, S6/S7 Stage 1, 2, and OEM Turbo upgrade and A8L. They've spent a tremendous about of time working on the platform and went back and reworked the Stage 1 S6/S7 calibration from the ground up as it was originally written by others in the company. Every change they make is now documented and full explained so everyone in the calibration group can check the work, understand why a change was made, and challenge each other on the changes. With so much work on the platform, they know the stones to turn and knobs to tweak and really how to exploit the awesome features the factory has built into this ECU (both enabled and not enabled in the stock calibration) to get the most out of the platform. They've completely refined the torque delivery and how all of the applications of boost, ignition and lambda are applied. In the end, the result is more power thats more consistent, smoother and stronger.

[grc]

The S6/S7 was the first 4.0T we calibrated. In the years since we've completely reworked our calibration department, hiring new, full time, calibrator only type positions. Those calibrators have then written software, both released, beta, and custom for the S8 Stage 1, and 2, RS6 and RS7 Stage 1, 2, and custom big turbo kits, S6/S7 Stage 1, 2, and OEM Turbo upgrade and A8L. They've spent a tremendous about of time working on the platform and went back and reworked the Stage 1 S6/S7 calibration from the ground up as it was originally written by others in the company. Every change they make is now documented and full explained so everyone in the calibration group can check the work, understand why a change was made, and challenge each other on the changes. With so much work on the platform, they know the stones to turn and knobs to tweak and really how to exploit the awesome features the factory has built into this ECU (both enabled and not enabled in the stock calibration) to get the most out of the platform. They've completely refined the torque delivery and how all of the applications of boost, ignition and lambda are applied. In the end, the result is more power thats more consistent, smoother and stronger.

Hi Arin, I am sure that you have talented engineers by I would still like a more technical explanation of what are "the awesome features the factory has built into this ECU" that they exploit.
Also any comment on the powertrain limits? I assume that your engineers have researches what are the torque and horsepower limits of the transmission and they have stayed within those limits. Is that the case?

[Arin@APR]

Hi Arin, I am sure that you have talented engineers by I would still like a more technical explanation of what are "the awesome features the factory has built into this ECU" that they exploit.

I actually deleted what that was and just listed it the way I have because I don't want to give away too many secrets to our competitors. It's possible they've made some of the same changes, but these changes are not available on all other MED17 platforms, so I'm hesitant to say what they are. For the end user it simply means more consistent power delivery.


Also any comment on the powertrain limits? I assume that your engineers have researches what are the torque and horsepower limits of the transmission and they have stayed within those limits. Is that the case?

The main issue to watch out for is clutch slip. Thankfully, even with nearly 100 ft-lbs of torque more, at all four wheels, we're not seeing any yet.

[eyeloveteeth]

The S6/S7 was the first 4.0T we calibrated. In the years since we've completely reworked our calibration department, hiring new, full time, calibrator only type positions. Those calibrators have then written software, both released, beta, and custom for the S8 Stage 1, and 2, RS6 and RS7 Stage 1, 2, and custom big turbo kits, S6/S7 Stage 1, 2, and OEM Turbo upgrade and A8L. They've spent a tremendous about of time working on the platform and went back and reworked the Stage 1 S6/S7 calibration from the ground up as it was originally written by others in the company. Every change they make is now documented and full explained so everyone in the calibration group can check the work, understand why a change was made, and challenge each other on the changes. With so much work on the platform, they know the stones to turn and knobs to tweak and really how to exploit the awesome features the factory has built into this ECU (both enabled and not enabled in the stock calibration) to get the most out of the platform. They've completely refined the torque delivery and how all of the applications of boost, ignition and lambda are applied. In the end, the result is more power thats more consistent, smoother and stronger.


Hi Arin, I am sure that you have talented engineers by I would still like a more technical explanation of what are "the awesome features the factory has built into this ECU" that they exploit.
Also any comment on the powertrain limits? I assume that your engineers have researches what are the torque and horsepower limits of the transmission and they have stayed within those limits. Is that the case?



I agree. While I understand not giving up everything. It would be nice to know that APR is able to provide sound data - esp to their customers. Better yet, for paying customers so as to provide peace of mind.

[eyeloveteeth]

I actually deleted what that was and just listed it the way I have because I don't want to give away too many secrets to our competitors. It's possible they've made some of the same changes, but these changes are not available on all other MED17 platforms, so I'm hesitant to say what they are. For the end user it simply means more consistent power delivery.



The main issue to watch out for is clutch slip. Thankfully, even with nearly 100 ft-lbs of torque more, at all four wheels, we're not seeing any yet.

Honestly not trying to pick apart the words. I have the APR tune. But how much testing on the new tune (miles, # of cars etc etc) has gone in before the update was released?

[Arin@APR]

Our S6 and S7 software originally released in 2013. The new calibration team applied the new control strategy and most of the critical updates to other 4.0T platforms in early 2014 with the release of the S8, then RS6/7 and finally A8L. We have two S7's in house. One is a company car we're selling and the other is an employee car.

[eyeloveteeth]

Our S6 and S7 software originally released in 2013. The new calibration team applied the new control strategy and most of the critical updates to other 4.0T platforms in early 2014 with the release of the S8, then RS6/7 and finally A8L. We have two S7's in house. One is a company car we're selling and the other is an employee car.

Thanks Arin!

I don't know about the rest of y'all, but clearly they have exposure to the 4.0T plenty.



on the flip side, I would love to hear from APR about their commentary about the DSG vs regular 8speed tiptronic. It is beneficial to know because if you guys do offer Stage 2 for the S6/S7, knowing what we're gonna be up against or what we will also need to upgrade is very crucial :)


thanks for being so vocal on here @Arin

[Arin@APR]

So far we're not even seeing problems, even on stage 3. This echoes our experience with other wet clutch DSG applications. Time will tell though. I suspect if there is an issue, it will be slipping clutches. In such case, if all else fails, we can lower peak torque easily.

[subterFUSE]

What is APR's stance on the transmission and/or engine lag experienced in our S6 cars while attempting to accelerate after decelerating? Some forum members are claiming TSB 2035235/2 is curing the issue. What is APR's experience or knowledge on this issue?

I am planning an APR tune for my 2013 S6 soon. But want to be sure I get any necessary TSB updates first, if necessary.


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[playwithonehand]

Dear APR, Thanks for the awesome news!
Any news roughly stage 2 coming and expected number? Also you guys did 11.6 with 1.0 software can we expect 11.4 for 1.1 software?

Thanks

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[Arin@APR]

What is APR's stance on the transmission and/or engine lag experienced in our S6 cars while attempting to accelerate after decelerating? Some forum members are claiming TSB 2035235/2 is curing the issue. What is APR's experience or knowledge on this issue?

I am planning an APR tune for my 2013 S6 soon. But want to be sure I get any necessary TSB updates first, if necessary.


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If there is a factory TSB, I'd get it first and then get out software. If you check around, most will also note the lag is diminished with this tune. V1.0 did a decent job on it, but V1.1 has more work in that area from what I recall and others are reporting good things.

[MYAUDIS7]

I will be doing this update 1.1 this weekend!

[Arin@APR]

Dear APR, Thanks for the awesome news!
Any news roughly stage 2 coming and expected number? Also you guys did 11.6 with 1.0 software can we expect 11.4 for 1.1 software?

Thanks

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I haven't taken the car to the track so I really can't comment on quarter mile times. I would assume everything equal, it would be better, but I don't have any data to share.

Stage 2 is in the works, but the major delay has been our hardware. We had to scrap a few designs, which has caused the delays. Once the final pieces are in, we can collect and share final numbers.

[chudiddy]

Arin, any idea if the current tune will work for the 2016's ;)

[Arin@APR]

If we have the ECU, yes! If not, we'll just need to get one sent in so we can write software.

[EthanNoah]

Arin -
I have a 2016 S6 on order and am considering the stage 1 tune. I know you've answered similar questions already, but now that it's been over a year since this tune has been for sale, can you tell me if customers have had any issues with reliability/component failure? Specifically, how many of these tunes have you sold and how many customers have come back to report an issue to you? I'm trying to get a feel for the odds I will encounter a problem from the added driveline stress.
Thanks!

[Arin@APR]

We sold a couple hundred of these flashes and I'm not aware of anyone reporting issues.

[kouzman]

We sold a couple hundred of these flashes and I'm not aware of anyone reporting issues.

it would be interesting to get some statistical info for you guys. Like "...we have 200 cars with over 200,000 miles worth of driving on the tune with no issues..." type of thing. If I was a customer I would not mind providing mileage information on the tune to my tuner.

[Arin@APR]

That's actually all part of a plan we're trying to implement. It will not be perfect, but the data would be great to have from those who have volunteered it to us.

[eyeloveteeth]

That's actually all part of a plan we're trying to implement. It will not be perfect, but the data would be great to have from those who have volunteered it to us.

willing to volunteer if APR will throw in 1 free tune removal + reinstall for trip to dealer for software updates!

yes, TD1 is being brought up yet again #sorry

[kiku]

You!

[eyeloveteeth]

You!

hey, we meeting up for lunch or what? we can talk about TD1

[redknight]

What is APR's stance on the transmission and/or engine lag experienced in our S6 cars while attempting to accelerate after decelerating? Some forum members are claiming TSB 2035235/2 is curing the issue. What is APR's experience or knowledge on this issue?

I am planning an APR tune for my 2013 S6 soon. But want to be sure I get any necessary TSB updates first, if necessary.


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The TSB 2035235/2 applied to my 2013 S7 cured my lagged issue. I had this done 3 days ago and it drives like a smooth automatic now. I wanted to make sure this is done first before I went to APR for the 1.1 tune. APR needed to download my current version from Audi and send it to headquarter where they are applying the tune for that specific version from the Audi. I was thinking in and out within an hour but I had to come back in 3 days so I can get my custom tuned ready. Just FYI and hope this help.

[rottley]

question. 2014 S6
Does the APR upgrade make the D mode feel like the stock S mode or better?

thnxs

[eyeloveteeth]

question. 2014 S6
Does the APR upgrade make the D mode feel like the stock S mode or better?

thnxs

D is still VERY smooth - with more power. S mode now feels like a race prepped car - rev matching like it's 2004

[kouzman]

I won't be surprised if at some point audi comes up with a map revision to give more power, since competition is up there in terms of numbers.

I saw the question as to the fitting of the existing software to the 2016 S6/S7. I though from the factory they are making more power. Is it because of hardware changes or just mapping? If it is the first I am not sure how the existing mapping would work on the new cars....

[eyeloveteeth]

I won't be surprised if at some point audi comes up with a map revision to give more power, since competition is up there in terms of numbers.

I saw the question as to the fitting of the existing software to the 2016 S6/S7. I though from the factory they are making more power. Is it because of hardware changes or just mapping? If it is the first I am not sure how the existing mapping would work on the new cars....

now that they are coming in - hopefully one can get strapped onto a dyno to confirm.

[Arin@APR]

I saw the question as to the fitting of the existing software to the 2016 S6/S7. I though from the factory they are making more power. Is it because of hardware changes or just mapping? If it is the first I am not sure how the existing mapping would work on the new cars....

It's typically just a bump in power from software alone. They do it all the time.

[VVG]

That's actually all part of a plan we're trying to implement. It will not be perfect, but the data would be great to have from those who have volunteered it to us.

I'll bite. Volunteer #1. Over 11,000 miles on v1.0 No issue whatsoever except the shit eating grin on my face. Also had my 2007 RS4 tuned with APR software no issues and my Stage 3+ B5 S4 before that. That car went over 100K miles with ZERO issues related to tuning.

[kiku]

Volunteer #2. 26,000 miles on 2014 RS7 with tune since 1,000 miles. Drive on 93 octane tune daily, 100 octane at track. Through all weather types, including a round trip from east coast to west coast and back including track time. I've tracked my rs7 often, driving at my limits and this car never gave me trouble.

Now, only caveat has been a boost surge at part throttle in very cold weather, which has been the mysterious #5 cyl misfires some have had. This is more of an annoyance than a problem, and it's limited to RS7s. APR is aware and working on a fix.

[kenny_l]

For the upcoming S6/S7 Stage 2 tune, what is the difference between stage 1 and 2 in terms of supporting hardware (engine internals? exhaust/intake only?) needed to handle a (presumed) increase in power? What will the cost be for such hardware. Thanks in advance!

[iten]

Arin,

I have been trying to send you a PM, but your inbox is full.

[Sean@APR]

willing to volunteer if APR will throw in 1 free tune removal + reinstall for trip to dealer for software updates!

yes, TD1 is being brought up yet again #sorry

We do it for free. But, we have 0 control over what your dealer charges for labor. They can charge what they want and they keep 100% of it.

[Arin@APR]

Arin,

I have been trying to send you a PM, but your inbox is full.

It's like a daily struggle for me. Empty now. Haha. :)

[eyeloveteeth]

We do it for free. But, we have 0 control over what your dealer charges for labor. They can charge what they want and they keep 100% of it.

haha no! i meant if you would subsidize a free roll back - before our cars goto Audi dealership ;) - and work something out with our APR dealer.

[SteveW]

Is APR upgrade available for 2016 S7?

[Arin@APR]

Yes

[MileMan402]

Long shot, I know, but what are the chances of APR ever offering tune license transfers like this: EPL Flash Licenses Transfer (yes you can resell your EPL tune) (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/646657-EPL-Flash-Licenses-Transfer-(yes-you-can-resell-your-EPL-tune))?

[playwithonehand]

Hi Arin
Any news on stage 2 and what are the required hardware?
I just ran 12.233 - 1.764 60ft - 112.95mph bone stock which is really close to your stock car so I am very excited for stage 2 tune :)

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[SteveW]

Yes

I'm still on waiting list for my APR upgrade. Dealer says that APR is waiting to get new 2016 S7 in for software extract. Any date on when it might happen?

[Arin@APR]

I'm still on waiting list for my APR upgrade. Dealer says that APR is waiting to get new 2016 S7 in for software extract. Any date on when it might happen?

Extracts basically depend on customers wanting software. We need the code first before we can write the software. If you want it, just give us a call and we'll get that arranged.

[eyeloveteeth]

Arin can you comment on the most recent TD1 that happened to Agent47? I mean at this point i really don't care, but has Audi found a new way to flag?

[MileMan402]

Long shot, I know, but what are the chances of APR ever offering tune license transfers like this: EPL Flash Licenses Transfer (yes you can resell your EPL tune) (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/646657-EPL-Flash-Licenses-Transfer-(yes-you-can-resell-your-EPL-tune))?

I'll take that as a "No"

[Arin@APR]

Our TCU Upgrade is now available:

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/665645-APR-Presents-the-DL501-S-tronic-TCU-Upgrade-for-the-4-0-TFSI-S6-and-S7!

[ny_s6]

I bought a 2016 s6 to replace my Cts-V and could not find any P-box data or drag strip results for the 2016 s6 i was wondering if you had anything and i just couldn't find it

To me you guys seem the most popular tune but i want to make sure i am picking the tune that has track data to back up the dyno I posted in here because version 1.0 had data but nothing on version 1.1? Also does the DSG software improve your 1/4 mile times or is this just to smooth out the downshifts?

[fairbird]

I bought a 2016 s6 to replace my Cts-V and could not find any P-box data or drag strip results for the 2016 s6 i was wondering if you had anything and i just couldn't find it

To me you guys seem the most popular tune but i want to make sure i am picking the tune that has track data to back up the dyno

What is you goal ? I had 15 with lots of runs on 1/4


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[ny_s6]

What is you goal ? I had 15 with lots of runs on 1/4


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Isn't that a c7 not a c7.5?
I would naturally want to set a new record, what is the fastest pump car?
Do you have pbox data from your car?

[fairbird]

Isn't that a c7 not a c7.5?
I would naturally want to set a new record, what is the fastest pump car?
Do you have pbox data from your car?

No pbox data , slipping street tires , pump gas , 4400 ft altitude , 11.0 126.5 best . Not the 7.5 , 420 hp stock


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[ny_s6]

No pbox data , slipping street tires , pump gas , 4400 ft altitude , 11.0 126.5 best . Not the 7.5 , 420 hp stock


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I wish you had pbox data, I was not aware just a tuned car could go that fast that is amazing, how many other cars are running that fast?

[fairbird]

I wish you had pbox data, I was not aware just a tuned car could go that fast that is amazing, how many other cars are running that fast?

Not many , few more guys , I know with some tweaking few guys ran 10.7 http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/11/2eb1148db2ffaa4afef5495f8ddcca31.jpg
Here is 2 rams .
I'm selling the turbos btw , if you want save a lil


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[ny_s6]

Not many , few more guys , I know with some tweaking few guys ran 10.7 http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/11/2eb1148db2ffaa4afef5495f8ddcca31.jpg
Here is 2 rams .
I'm selling the turbos btw , if you want save a lil


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Oh that makes much more sense no i meant a car with just a Stage 1 tune, i do too many miles on a car to do bigger turbos.

Well i am excited to see Data for the c7.5

[fairbird]

Oh that makes much more sense no i meant a car with just a Stage 1 tune, i do too many miles on a car to do bigger turbos.

Well i am excited to see Data for the c7.5

St 1 is 11.4 117 or so


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[Brooklyn]

what does doing a lot of miles on your car have to do with not being able to do bigger turbos? Genuinely confused.

[fairbird]

what does doing a lot of miles on your car have to do with not being able to do bigger turbos? Genuinely confused.

I was thinking the same thing


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[VVG]

I was thinking the same thing


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I am guessing he means that he doesn't want to put that kind of money into a high mileage car, or that he is worried about the related mechanical stress with that much use.

[fairbird]

I am guessing he means that he doesn't want to put that kind of money into a high mileage car, or that he is worried about the related mechanical stress with that much use.

I'll accept money as a reason , mechanical stress no , 99% of time the engine at 1600 rpm


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[VVG]

I'll accept money as a reason , mechanical stress no , 99% of time the engine at 1600 rpm


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Agree completely. People forget that just because a car is tuned, it doesn't mean you are tapping that power all the time. Just nice to have when you want it.

[ny_s6]

Agree completely. People forget that just because a car is tuned, it doesn't mean you are tapping that power all the time. Just nice to have when you want it.

The cost doesn't make sense to me, I would rather put that money into repairs down the line or a new down payment.

How long does it typically take APR to get back to you with requested data?

[fairbird]

The cost doesn't make sense to me, I would rather put that money into repairs down the line or a new down payment.

How long does it typically take APR to get back to you with requested data?
look around , why the cost doesn't make sense for you ? MB tune $2600–3000 , BMW tune dinan etc $2500 , porsche $2600 , Rs7 tune is a bit high price from APR , S6 tune is fine price wise .

[Sean@APR]

The cost doesn't make sense to me, I would rather put that money into repairs down the line or a new down payment.

How long does it typically take APR to get back to you with requested data?

It depends what you're requesting. I don't recall that we've ever taken an S6/S7 to the drag strip. I personally own an S6 and want to get it to the track one of these days. But, I'm on the road until March, so it will be spring time.

Here's an acceleration comparison video we did between stock and Stage 1:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMv51PX0-nk

[Arin@APR]

How long does it typically take APR to get back to you with requested data?

We like to get as much data as we can, but sometimes we can't. All we have is track/acceleration data from the slower, older tune. Our customers have provided faster results than our own.