Stage 1 GIAC software calibrations for the 2013 B8.5 S4 are NOW Available!

[Austin@GIAC]

GIAC software calibrations for the B8.5 S4 & S5 will be available at So Cal Euro for 2013 models!


http://www.giacusa.com/images/austin/3.0T/B8_5_simos85.png

GIAC Stage 1 software calibrations, compatible with factory exhaust and intake systems, are now available for the 2013 Audi B8.5 S4 & S5 models that utilize Simos 8.51 ECUs. This software calibration offers dramatic improvements over the factory software, while retaining OEM-like drivability. We are proud to be the first ECU calibrator to offer a true software recalibration for these vehicles utilizing on-the-fly, switchable modes.

* Improved wheel horsepower and torque gains at 65 - 70 HP & 30 - 35 Ft. / Lbs. of torque, on 91 octane fuel.
* Estimated wheel gains as high as 63 horsepower and 51 Ft. / Lbs. of torque in some areas of the power band (up to the OEM rev limiter of 6500 RPM).
* Properly recalibrated air/fuel ratios and maximized boost pressures.
* Improved throttle response for a drive-by-cable system feel.
* Raised speed limiters to factory redline in final drive gear
* Included stock, race and valet modes, in addition to a GIAC Handheld Program Switcher with purchase.

MSRP for all options and a handheld program switcher is $1500.00. GIAC will be on hand to install this software application at the Big SoCal Euro event this Saturday, November 17, 2012. After that and until further notice, all ECUs will need to be sent to GIAC for programming.

Listed below are the ECU part numbers we have currently completed software for:

• 8K5907551C (USDM)
• 8K5907551E (USDM)

Dynamometer test results from an MD-500 Mustang dyno are included here. The graph plots power tests (wheel HP and TQ) for a 2013 S5. The red line denotes a completely stock S5 with OEM software, exhaust, intake and charge cooler, on 91 octane. The blue line denotes the same S5 with GIAC 91 octane Stage 1 software, OEM exhaust, intake and charge cooler, on 91 octane. All runs performed on the same day.


http://www.giacusa.com/images/austin/3.0T/B8.5_S5_6MT_Stg1.png

Here are the power gains across the entire power band over stock. NOTE: Power under the curve across the powerband is only measured up to the OEM rev limiter of 6500 RPM.


http://www.giacusa.com/images/austin/3.0T/2013_S5_stg_1_over_stock.png

[PaperishPlastic]

GIAC software calibrations for the B8.5 S4 & S5 will be available at So Cal Euro for 2013 models!



http://www.giacusa.com/images/austin/3.0T/B8.5_S5_6MT_Stg1.png

Here are the power gains across the entire power band over stock. NOTE: Power under the curve across the powerband is only measured up to the OEM rev limiter of 6500 RPM.


http://www.giacusa.com/images/austin/3.0T/2013_S5_stg_1_over_stock.png

Did you guys dyno the S4 stock? If so what were the numbers?

[Austin@GIAC]

288 whp and 282 wtq on a 6MT vehicle. 91 octane.

http://www.giacusa.com/images/austin/3.0T/B8.5_S5_6MT_Stg1.png

[13S4]

It says OEM GOLF R on your plot

[Austin@GIAC]

It says OEM GOLF R on your plot

Says S5 on mine?!

[PaperishPlastic]

Says S5 on mine?!

ya it just changed

[zamm3k]

Austin, out of curiosity, how does the 2013 B8.5 dyno compare to the B8? Are they similar numbers or is there a difference. On average? Reason I'm asking is due to the confirmed redline and gear ratio change. I'm just wondering what these two do in terms of power to the wheels.

Thanks

[Austin@GIAC]

Austin, out of curiosity, how does the 2013 B8.5 dyno compare to the B8? Are they similar numbers or is there a difference. On average? Reason I'm asking is due to the confirmed redline and gear ratio change. I'm just wondering what these two do in terms of power to the wheels.

Thanks

The DSG numbers were roughly the same stock to stock. 6MT tested lower with the B8.5.

[itzjonjon69]

Good to hear! Maybe we can finally stop hearing about how the b8.5's are sooo much faster... [:p]


The DSG numbers were roughly the same stock to stock. 6MT tested lower with the B8.5.

[zamm3k]

The DSG numbers were roughly the same stock to stock. 6MT tested lower with the B8.5.

Well, this proves Audi did a good job on the redline and gearing to keep performance the same, or so I assume. Nonetheless, that's a good job on Audi's part.

Congratulations on being the first to crack this. Says a lot about your company and motives.

[PaperishPlastic]

Well, this proves Audi did a good job on the redline and gearing to keep performance the same, or so I assume. Nonetheless, that's a good job on Audi's part.

Congratulations on being the first to crack this. Says a lot about your company and motives.
Well actually no. Look at the dyno and see how the power keeps on rising after 6400rpm. Your missing out on a DSG.

[1FastS4.Com]

Been driving my bosses B8.5 around today pulls solid!!

[htoudiee]

Been driving my bosses B8.5 around today pulls solid!!

We gotta do a comparison run ;) (You'll pull on me regardless)

[BzzzBom]

So - does the GIAC tune raise the rev limiter from 6500 to about 7000 as shown on dyno graph?

[well_armed]

Or more appropriately, can we see a dsg dyno plot. :-)

[1FastS4.Com]

That was a 6speed manual in the dyno.

[zamm3k]

Well actually no. Look at the dyno and see how the power keeps on rising after 6400rpm. Your missing out on a DSG.

Longer gear ratios allow the car to stay on that power for longer, similar effect to having a higher rev band(obviously not mechanically similar). Both combined would be awesome. I guess we can't have the best of both worlds.

[htoudiee]

Or more appropriately, can we see a dsg dyno plot. :-)

You will very soon. My b8.5 has been one of the beta test cars and hoprfully will get dynoed next week.

[thedollardoctor]

SUPER EXCITED about this!! But in reality, I am holding out for Stage II with the pulley upgrade....... any ideas on a timeline for THIS?!?

[phillips2024]

SUPER EXCITED about this!! But in reality, I am holding out for Stage II with the pulley upgrade....... any ideas on a timeline for THIS?!?

ha! not even out for the pre-facelift yet

[well_armed]

You will very soon. My b8.5 has been one of the beta test cars and hoprfully will get dynoed next week.


Great, let us know!

[thedollardoctor]

ha! not even out for the pre-facelift yet

With APR it has been for a while........

Already been hinted at by GIAC for the facelift models as well ..... sooooooo [rolleyes]

[phillips2024]

With APR it has been for a while........

Already been hinted at by GIAC for the facelift models as well ..... sooooooo [rolleyes]

???


we arent talking about APR, this thread is about GIAC

[thedollardoctor]

???


we arent talking about APR, this thread is about GIAC

Yeah dude, I'm aware of that.

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/473641-GIAC-AWE-pully-upgrade

[phillips2024]

exactly..its not out yet; what is wrong with you

probably will be awhile..thats what im getting at

[thedollardoctor]

exactly..its not out yet; what is wrong with you

probably will be awhile..thats what im getting at

What's wrong with me?! Hmm, let me think about that, I have a 2013 S4 and I want a pulley upgrade and a tune for it. I happened to give props to GIAC for being the first to crack the B8.5 ECU and then mentioned that I am hopeful of a Stage II and Tune...... (still not quite sure whats "wrong with me")

Besides, if you read through the entire thread I posted a link to you will find this quote "Testing the pulley and holy ******* this is amazing!!!! In love. Sorry I wish more I can tell you but in beta test mode. I will give some rides in the Newport Beach area." So evidently, this is not as far away as you seem to think it is......

I think everyone would appreciate if this thread got back onto the original topic instead of a completely unnecessary internet pissing match. Really?!

So AGAIN..... for the slow people, I am SUPER excited about THIS!!!! It's great news for us 2013 owners who really want more power out of our cars, and am hopeful this means a stage II and pulley upgrade are next on the list........

[phillips2024]

all i said was that the stage 2 isnt even out for the preface lift yet (laughing at the time frame for stage 2 b8.5)

meaning its probably going to be awhile for stage 2



talk about going off on a tangent...ROLLS EYES

[thedollardoctor]

all i said was that the stage 2 isnt even out for the preface lift yet (laughing at the time frame for stage 2 b8.5)

meaning its probably going to be awhile for stage 2



talk about going off on a tangent...ROLLS EYES

1fastS4 is currently running a beta test pulley and GIAC tune for the his 2011 S4....... sooooo, not really sure why you are SO adamant that this is SO far away from being a reality for B8.5 owners. GIAC has already confirmed that their Stage I tune is essentially exactly the same tune for B8.5 as it is for B5. I don't think it's really that big of a stretch to think that this could be a possibility for B8.5 owners.

I'm also still not clear on why my hope for this bothers you so much. If you don't personally think it's going to happen for while, okay, fine, don't really see why how that justifies you pissing all over my party in hoping it will happen sooner than later. Seriously man, to each their own on opinions related to this stuff. I am hopeful something happens sooner than later, that's all.

[phillips2024]

dude it started as a joke.. calm down. i hope they come out with it soon too

[thedollardoctor]

dude it started as a joke.. calm down. i hope they come out with it soon too

It's all good man, not trying to be an asshole or anything, just DYING for a tune like the rest of the 2013 owners on here and also would REALLY like to be able to swap the pulley and go to Stage II instead of Stage I and then having to pay for everything AGAIN to go to Stage II. I really appreciate that GIAC has put the effort into getting this done for us.

The main issue I had with your comments was the notion that it was SO far away. After reading just recently that 1fastS4 is currently running a beta tested Pulley on a GIAC Tune, that got me excited about the possibility that it may not be as far away as previously thought.

Like I said, not trying to be an asshole, its all good.

[phillips2024]

It's all good man, not trying to be an asshole or anything, just DYING for a tune like the rest of the 2013 owners on here and also would REALLY like to be able to swap the pulley and go to Stage II instead of Stage I and then having to pay for everything AGAIN to go to Stage II. I really appreciate that GIAC has put the effort into getting this done for us.

The main issue I had with your comments was the notion that it was SO far away. After reading just recently that 1fastS4 is currently running a beta tested Pulley on a GIAC Tune, that got me excited about the possibility that it may not be as far away as previously thought.

Like I said, not trying to be an asshole, its all good.

ya ive been following the pulley for giac for awhile and its been one teaser after another. Hes a pre-face lift though right? anyways i just laughed bc we cant get it for the preface lift and could only imagine the threads waiting for the stage 2 post face lift. I wasnt laughing or trying to start an argument with you. I dont have a tune right now and am still waiting to see how the game plays out. GIAC with their stage 2...APR and their stage 3...been a lot of waiting around here :)

i also just got tapatalk so i get alerted instantly to replies ha

[thedollardoctor]

ya ive been following the pulley for giac for awhile and its been one teaser after another. Hes a pre-face lift though right? anyways i just laughed bc we cant get it for the preface lift and could only imagine the threads waiting for the stage 2 post face lift. I wasnt laughing or trying to start an argument with you. I dont have a tune right now and am still waiting to see how the game plays out. GIAC with their stage 2...APR and their stage 3...been a lot of waiting around here :)

i also just got tapatalk so i get alerted instantly to replies ha

Agree 100% on all the teasers! Here's a perfect example of one from GIAC just last week:

"Yes, we do. Stage 2 will be available for all 3.0T platforms very shortly. GIAC customers will be very pleased, others not so much."

And I'm sure you've been dealing with that A LOT longer than I have as a recent owner of a 2013. Another issue I have is living in Dayton, OH my local tuning shop options are very limited. There is a reputable APR shop within 30 min of me, however to go with GIAC I'll likely have to ship my ECU, ugh, don't want to do that really. But knowing the way I am, I'll likely break down and just go with Stage I GIAC until something else comes out........ I'm not all that patient about the search for more POWER!! [drive]

[Borti]

Good numbers on 91 octane. Excited to see more developments!

[htoudiee]

........ I'm not all that patient about the search for more POWER!! [drive]

Amen. Get it.

[jfabes]

all this chatter and no comments about the price being $300 higher than the B8? just goes to show you that you can charge more when your the only game in town...like APR did and was critisized about for the B8. good for giac charging more knowing that there are no other options for B8.5 owners LOL....but hope this puts the end to the arguments that APR is/was overpriced and most expensive tune.

[zamm3k]

all this chatter and no comments about the price being $300 higher than the B8? just goes to show you that you can charge more when your the only game in town...like APR did and was critisized about for the B8. good for giac charging more knowing that there are no other options for B8.5 owners LOL....but hope this puts the end to the arguments that APR is/was overpriced and most expensive tune.

I believe the pricing you're referring to is the one for all the options and handheld switcher. If I'm not mistaken that would be the same pricing the B8s get.

[jfabes]

okay, my bad. on awe's site, the B8's are $1195 for 3 programs and flashloader? i just know that a few months ago when i contacted my giac tuner, he quoted me $1195 for stock, 93 and race, plus the hand held switcher. so maybe i'm confused...

[zamm3k]

okay, my bad. on awe's site, the B8's are $1195 for 3 programs and flashloader? i just know that a few months ago when i contacted my giac tuner, he quoted me $1195 for stock, 93 and race, plus the hand held switcher. so maybe i'm confused...

oh then maybe it's my bad. I'm referring to the pricing in the OP, you may be right, the B8.5 software seems to be priced higher.

[Vi112]

I wonder if it makes sense to make a smaller pulley for B8.5 DSG to adjust to 6500 RPM limiter...

[BzzzBom]

This is probably a dumb question but why can't this flash raise the redline? The flashes on my prior cars - BMW 335i and Mini Cooper S raised the redline approx. 500 rpm.

[DLAB]

This is probably a dumb question but why can't this flash raise the redline? The flashes on my prior cars - BMW 335i and Mini Cooper S raised the redline approx. 500 rpm.

The DSG shifts are controlled by the TCU/M (i.e. Software on the mechatronic unit) and not the Engine Control Unit.

EDIT: By the way, congrats to GIAC for cracking the B8.5 first!

[zamm3k]

I wonder if it makes sense to make a smaller pulley for B8.5 DSG to adjust to 6500 RPM limiter...

Not necessarily, the higher (longer) gear ratios allow the car to stay on power longer. So a similar tune/pulley should have a similar effect as in the B8's.

Sent from CM10 Galaxy S3

[autoluxe]

Hey Austin! Whats the added cost going to be if we decide to start at stage 1 and move to stage II down the road?

[thedollardoctor]

Hey Austin! Whats the added cost going to be if we decide to start at stage 1 and move to stage II down the road?

+1 on THIS!!! My thoughts exactly.......

[ilspazzaneve]

Why bother deleting my post which pointed out that it's funny that the plot first said Golf R, and now says 2012 S5? Probably the better thing to do is to remind Austin to change the plot, again, to read 2013 S5.

We've all seen our share of recycled dyno plots, maybe a better idea to fix it, than censor us. I'm just as happy as everyone else that vendors are giving our platform attention.

[bangoman]

Awesome, just in time for thanksgiving! Any Black Friday sales?

http://img4-3.myrecipes.timeinc.net/i/recipes/su/06/11/roast-turkey-su-600619-x.jpg

[BzzzBom]

Got the stage 1 tune yesterday and it is awesome - can't wait for adaptation to be completed.

[htoudiee]

Here is a 0-120mph of a 2013 S4 with GIAC Stage 1 tune:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mNq95lRqQI

[PaperishPlastic]

I tried to calculate the 0-60 in the video but it is tough without a stopwatch

[rs4dreams]

I'm getting 4.4 - 4.5 0-60 and 0-100 in 10.6. Sounds about right for 91 octane.

[thedollardoctor]

^^ Nice video man, thanks for sharing! I assume 6MT?

[13S4]

^^ Definitely not 6MT!

[BzzzBom]

Hey Austin! Whats the added cost going to be if we decide to start at stage 1 and move to stage II down the road?
+2

[htoudiee]

^^ Nice video man, thanks for sharing! I assume 6MT?

S-Tronic, using Launch Control.

[PaperishPlastic]

^^ Nice video man, thanks for sharing! I assume 6MT?

Thats definitely not a Manual, most people cant shift as fast as me[;)]

[thedollardoctor]

S-Tronic, using Launch Control.

Wow, the reason I assumed it was 6MT was not so much the launch as the shifting at 7,000 RPM of 6,500 RPM. Does the GIAC flash adjust this? Didn't shift at 7,500 like I know some would prefer, but it seems 7,000 is much better than 6,500

[13S4]

It didn't cross 6500.

[htoudiee]

Correct. The max I see in the video is 6500RPMs.

[thedollardoctor]

Hmm, I just have missed that, thought I saw shifts at 7,000. Will have to watch again. Doh!

[well_armed]

I am assuming this A6 tune will be similar to our DSG models in gains and RPM profile...are my assumptions wrong?

http://www.giacusa.com/images/austin/3.0T/A7_30Tm.png

[ilspazzaneve]

I'm getting 4.4 - 4.5 0-60 and 0-100 in 10.6. Sounds about right for 91 octane.

Seems to match the high-12 @ 108-ish performance we've seen thus far with GIAC 91. It's a shame about the short shifting. TCU tuning is needed more than ever now.

[htoudiee]

Seems to match the high-12 @ 108-ish performance we've seen thus far with GIAC 91. It's a shame about the short shifting. TCU tuning is needed more than ever now.

Ditto. We need TCU tuning so bad.

[thedollardoctor]

Ditto. We need TCU tuning so bad.

I've reached out to several tuners about this and have been told by one of them in particular, that it IS in their future plans but for now they are focused on the standard ECU tunes..... so at least there is hope for the future. I told aid tuner that I felt there would be a VERY large market for them if they could pull it off effectively, they agreed wholeheartedly with that, but said their focus was on ECU right now, which makes sense.

[BzzzBom]

I've reached out to several tuners about this and have been told by one of them in particular, that it IS in their future plans but for now they are focused on the standard ECU tunes..... so at least there is hope for the future. I told aid tuner that I felt there would be a VERY large market for them if they could pull it off effectively, they agreed wholeheartedly with that, but said their focus was on ECU right now, which makes sense.
Heard same thing from two of the big three tuners - there is hope :)

[htoudiee]

A quick update for those who care about reliability of this tune under stress:

Ran the car with stage 1 at streets of willow all day (1:30.3) and it held up pretty well.

[Austin@GIAC]

Hey Austin! Whats the added cost going to be if we decide to start at stage 1 and move to stage II down the road?

AWE will be releasing that pricing shortly with the pulley pricing as well. I can assure you it will be very reasonable compared to other options available.

[Austin@GIAC]

I've reached out to several tuners about this and have been told by one of them in particular, that it IS in their future plans but for now they are focused on the standard ECU tunes..... so at least there is hope for the future. I told aid tuner that I felt there would be a VERY large market for them if they could pull it off effectively, they agreed wholeheartedly with that, but said their focus was on ECU right now, which makes sense.

Simply increasing the red line might not improve performance numbers due to the gear length in 4th gear on the B8.5. Cars would likely need adequate cooling to take advantage of an even longer powerband. That said, this is something we are looking into.

[thedollardoctor]

Thanks for the update Austin! Now if only I can find a way to be patient .......[drive]

Looking forward to more updates and product announcements! Specifically the GIAC/AWE B8.5 Stage II

[DannyDeez]

Hey Austin, can you reply to the S5 thread about the 93 octane specific files that you mentioned.

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