Flashed B8.5 ECU Dyno Chart

[well_armed]

So GIAC has started to flash local customers cars, and other tuners are expected to come out fairly soon.

But one thing we are missing, is a new dyno plot of the new SIMOS ecu tune.

Anyone have a plot to share with the community? And no, I am not talking about an A6/A7 plot...I want the real thing.

Happy Friday.


P.S. I would never let a tuner flash my car without at least seeing a dyno plot from our specific car



The software is complete, we are just doing some final testing on it. Since these ECUs must be sent in, we chose to allow local customers get the software. This way, any updates could be done on site and would not result in further down time of vehicles while ECUs were shipped back and forth. We could have easily said nothing about it and there would continue to be a constant influx of threads asking "when will a tune be available for the B8.5." Further, we have already released the A6/A7 software which is widely known to be the same ECU family as the B8.5. Questions would have undoubtedly arose since we are selling that software already, so we chose to give everyone an update up front for it.

Based on the feedback I have received on the software, most are patient and excited that they will be able to enjoy their cars with software very soon. It seems being the first to crack the software and offer it can't please everyone, though.

Lastly, you are in L.A, you can come down and get software installed at anytime. Shoot me a PM if you would like to come down.

[oc cc]

How can you have a dyno plot if no one is the first to install the software?

[well_armed]

So GIAC has started to flash local customers cars


How can you have a dyno plot if no one is the first to install the software?


See above.

[richib86]

are you guys really expecting to see different numbers on an identical motor? id wager SLIGHTLY lower numbers from a lower redline if anything at all but its the same car...

[dii]

are you guys really expecting to see different numbers on an identical motor? id wager SLIGHTLY lower numbers from a lower redline if anything at all but its the same car...

+1

As far as I can tell the only difference is the new encryption which they've obviously already cracked. The dyno numbers on GIAC's website are listed for 2013-2010: http://giacusa.com/images/dynoplots/B8S4Manual_GIAC_stage1_vs_stock_91oct_and_100oct.p ng

Those numbers were good enough to convince me to get my flash :D

[13S4]

I do agree with Richi, but that plot is still for a 2011 S4. It's also the same plot they use for the A6-A7 2013 flash.

[QuattroLife]

I don't think there's plots out yet as they haven't even officially released it yet..

[well_armed]

TAG is doing on site flashes tomorrow at a local Euro show, so I find it hard to understand why they do not release a dyno plot for a product they are actively selling.

[QuattroLife]

TAG is doing on site flashes tomorrow at a local Euro show, so I find it hard to understand why they do not release a dyno plot for a product they are actively selling.

They didn't even state that they're flashing B8.5 software specifically (I know they posted a picture of their B8.5 shop car though, but that's just Facebook advertisement..). They're probably talking about the available OBD-II port programming and available bench flashes (new VW and B8 S4).

I would be willing to bet that TAG and the rest of the dealers wouldn't be able to do dealer flashing anyways. Since GIAC's aiming to be the first ones to release it they wouldn't want other tuners knowing how they're unlocking/flashing the ECU.

But yes Richi is right.. it's the same car with the same tune. I'm not sure if anyone confirmed on the change in gear ratios though. I still agree with you though, well_armed, I'd still like to see dynoplots.

[richib86]

because its the SAME tune on the SAME car with new headlights...
TAG is doing on site flashes tomorrow at a local Euro show, so I find it hard to understand why they do not release a dyno plot for a product they are actively selling.

[Blackhawk878]

because its the SAME tune on the SAME car with new headlights...

Don't the 13s have electronic steering vs hydraulic? Not sure if that equates to much of anything though.

[richib86]

i was being sarcastic, obviously there are a bunch of minor changes here and there but nothing to change the outcome of tunes
Don't the 13s have electronic steering vs hydraulic? Not sure if that equates to much of anything though.

[BzzzBom]

I spoke with GIAC to schedule an appointment for local flash at their shop. I am waiting to hear back from them.

[A4 Centaur]

isn't 13 higher than 12? Means more power, better dyno numbers. LoL!!

[BzzzBom]

isn't 13 higher than 12? Means more power, better dyno numbers. LoL!!
Joke?

[well_armed]

They didn't even state that they're flashing B8.5 software specifically (I know they posted a picture of their B8.5 shop car though, but that's just Facebook advertisement..). They're probably talking about the available OBD-II port programming and available bench flashes (new VW and B8 S4).

I would be willing to bet that TAG and the rest of the dealers wouldn't be able to do dealer flashing anyways. Since GIAC's aiming to be the first ones to release it they wouldn't want other tuners knowing how they're unlocking/flashing the ECU.

But yes Richi is right.. it's the same car with the same tune. I'm not sure if anyone confirmed on the change in gear ratios though. I still agree with you though, well_armed, I'd still like to see dynoplots.


Local 2013 S4 owners CAN get flashed at the show. Official announcement coming shortly.


I think this is pretty specific to our cars.

https://www.facebook.com/TAGMotorsports?fref=ts

[QuattroLife]

I think this is pretty specific to our cars.

https://www.facebook.com/TAGMotorsports?fref=ts

Oops, didn't see that. I understand your need for the dynoplot for your specific model but expect power gains to be the same.

I mean what you can do is simple.. wait 'til GIAC officially releases it and then you can see the dynoplot and decide from there if you want the software. I'm sure the local guys that they already flashed really wanted the tune and were confident in GIAC's tune and that it reflects similar, if not the same, power as the B8 stuff.

[QuattroRocket]

Why is the dyno plot that important ? It always varies between cars, conditions, dyno type, and climate. So in the end you may never see the extra 3hp on your car in your city on your dyno so whats the point ? In the end one tuner is within such a small margin of another that I believe that the real difference is local support and a shop that treats you well. When a product is available from a variety of sources and factors like price and performance are near identical the decision falls on the vendor does it not ?

[well_armed]

Why is the dyno plot that important ? It always varies between cars, conditions, dyno type, and climate. So in the end you may never see the extra 3hp on your car in your city on your dyno so whats the point ? In the end one tuner is within such a small margin of another that I believe that the real difference is local support and a shop that treats you well. When a product is available from a variety of sources and factors like price and performance are near identical the decision falls on the vendor does it not ?

Although relevant, this is off topic to the post.

All I want is a dyno plot for something that is being sold and marketed to B8.5 customers. Pretty simple request. :)

[dparm]

I doubt the tune is any different for a 2013. Same motor, same trans. Not cost-effective to develop an entirely new tune for what's effectively the same car; their resources were spent cracking the new ECM.

I don't understand why we need this thread.

[zamm3k]

I'm more interested in seeing the average WHP on one same dyno for various 13' S4's now that the lower redline and gear ratio change has been confirmed.

[well_armed]

I don't understand why we need this thread.


I'm more interested in seeing the average WHP on one same dyno for various 13' S4's now that the lower redline and gear ratio change has been confirmed.

Zing.

[dparm]

The dyno operator inputs the gear ratio to correct for this.

You are talking about thrust curves....

[richib86]

giac confirmed the tune was the exact same tune. yes the redline may be lower but the gearing most likely was changed to compensate for that resulting in the same performance between 2012 and 2013 thus final product on the tune will yield the same results even if the numbers are different by a little bit

[Vi112]

B5 gearing was far from optimal for a tuned engine, B8.5 is even worse. 6400 RPM shifting makes it awful.

[Stereodude]

I doubt the tune is any different for a 2013. Same motor, same trans. Not cost-effective to develop an entirely new tune for what's effectively the same car; their resources were spent cracking the new ECM.Only the 6MT is the same. The S-tronic is not. Maybe people want to see if the redline moves or any other number of factors?

[Austin@GIAC]

So GIAC has started to flash local customers cars, and other tuners are expected to come out fairly soon.

But one thing we are missing, is a new dyno plot of the new SIMOS ecu tune.

Anyone have a plot to share with the community? And no, I am not talking about an A6/A7 plot...I want the real thing.

Happy Friday.


P.S. I would never let a tuner flash my car without at least seeing a dyno plot from our specific car


Check our software release thread: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/513368-Stage-1-GIAC-software-calibrations-for-the-2012-B8-5-S4-are-NOW-Available!

Happy Friday! [drive]

[Austin@GIAC]

giac confirmed the tune was the exact same tune. yes the redline may be lower but the gearing most likely was changed to compensate for that resulting in the same performance between 2012 and 2013 thus final product on the tune will yield the same results even if the numbers are different by a little bit

I should note that OUR calibration was the same. We actually tested a 6MT vehicle to make a bit less power than the Simos 8.4 models. The plot I posted was the absolute highest stock run I had to post. I could have easily added another 10-15whp to our release numbers if I would have used one of our others...

[Alex@TAG]

They didn't even state that they're flashing B8.5 software specifically (I know they posted a picture of their B8.5 shop car though, but that's just Facebook advertisement..). They're probably talking about the available OBD-II port programming and available bench flashes (new VW and B8 S4).

I would be willing to bet that TAG and the rest of the dealers wouldn't be able to do dealer flashing anyways. Since GIAC's aiming to be the first ones to release it they wouldn't want other tuners knowing how they're unlocking/flashing the ECU.

But yes Richi is right.. it's the same car with the same tune. I'm not sure if anyone confirmed on the change in gear ratios though. I still agree with you though, well_armed, I'd still like to see dynoplots.

All,

We will be flashing all cars tomorrow. Both B8.5's and B8's as well as GTI's. Most everything will be available to be flashed TOMORROW.... Both bench and port flashing.

As far as the B8.5, stay tuned for the official announcement from GIAC. Our black B8.5 S4 has the production file from GIAC and it is quite impressive. It pulls very hard and smooth. Due to some of the DSG tweaks between the B8 and B8.5, the car behaves a bit differently. I will allow GIAC to chime in on their official announcement :)

See you all tomorrow! Remember 10% off all flashes purchased tomorrow. If you cannot make it down, Contact me for more info!

[well_armed]

How about a DSG plot? :-)