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Blackhawk878

11-11-2012, 12:28 AM

Had decided to take the plunge and go from APR stage 1 to Stage 2 with EuroCode headers while switching from Milltek non-res to resonated a few months back and finally got the time to get the install done. Holy shit what a difference!! Next will be a stopping power upgrade for sure.

First, a little about my experience with Eurocode. I chose to drive to them for the header install for my own comfort. There were other options but none with the level of experience concerning headers that Ecode has, hell they designed them, go to the source whenever possible right. I was in town for business and managed to set everything up well in advance to accommodate my schedule. Took the car in Friday morning, dropped it off with Chris and David. Got to listen to David’s MY13 S4 with headers and Milltek resonated first hand, videos just don’t do the system justice. This is the top reason I chose Ecode for the install, they not only produce very nice products but they also use them on their personal vehicles and through their use, the products and procedures continue to evolve to perfection.

The level of customer care received is second to none. Did everything they should do and then some. They finished up with everything about 4:30pm and it was time for me to head back to Vegas, had very important things to do the next day. He made sure I had their after-hours contact info if a problem should arise and also sent me on my way with some additional coolant in case it was a little low from the refill/purge procedure. For me, attention to detail is where companies make or break themselves. Eurocode’s knowledge and enthusiasm concerning his products and the way they do business is a model I wish more businesses would follow.

There are several reviews of the headers and I can tell you I agree with them all. Of course when you combine them with the simultaneous upgrade to the stage2 pulley the increase in power is ridiculous. The car moves so much more effortlessly now you wonder why everyone is going so slow only to realize you’re just quitely cruising along at 95. I can also comment on the level of cabin noise when coupled with the Milltek resonated system. Cruising at highway speeds, it is actually quieter than my non-res system, absolutely zero drone, and that was with the back seats down during the four hour drive from Torrance back to Vegas ;). Very civilized when it needs to be and visceral at WOT.

Sincere thanks to David, Greg and Chris for helping me through this several month process from procurement to install. If you are considering headers and are in the vicinity or willing to make the drive, you cannot chose wiser.

Will be back for more :)

Sorry I left my camera in Vegas so I don't have any pics, car looks like a stock S4, will be working on that soon as well.....

blackESfour

11-11-2012, 03:41 PM

i agree! i had some complications with my headers and they were Amazing to deal with! And having the headers and and Stg2 is night and day!

well_armed

11-11-2012, 03:53 PM

How many man hours do they charge to install the headers?

Do they have to pull the motor?

Did you baseline dyno your car? I wonder what your HP gains are...

S4charged

11-11-2012, 03:57 PM

How many man hours do they charge to install the headers?

Do they have to pull the motor?

Did you baseline dyno your car? I wonder what your HP gains are...

+1

blackESfour

11-11-2012, 04:17 PM

How many man hours do they charge to install the headers?

Do they have to pull the motor?

Did you baseline dyno your car? I wonder what your HP gains are...

For me they had to pull the motor, apparently you can do it by going through the transmission. my cost was 1200 for the labor. and total hours i think it was 10 or 11. I was the first headers for the shop that did it.

Blackhawk878

11-11-2012, 05:32 PM

How many man hours do they charge to install the headers?

Do they have to pull the motor?

Did you baseline dyno your car? I wonder what your HP gains are...

In my case they did not drop the motor, nor do I think they need to anymore as they have perfected their technique in installing the headers. Although DSG do cost more to install because the DSG is much larger than the 6MT making the process more difficult and time consuming trying to move the parts around with very little clearance. Give them a call they will take care of you.

Unfortunately I have no dyno pulls to measure my gains, wish I did. I barely had time to do get the install done then it was back on the road for me.

well_armed

11-11-2012, 06:35 PM

$2400 for the headers.
$1200 labor.
$260 tax.
$3860 total (without tune)

Nice to have, but No thanks.

Blackhawk878

11-11-2012, 07:23 PM

Yes, they are very nice to have. I made the purchase of the items (headers, pulley, resonators) over the course of several months so I wasn't buying everything at the same time. I figured after stage II there isn't much else you can do without a bunch more money and custom work. Until APR releases stage III of course.

S4charged

11-11-2012, 08:31 PM

$2400 for the headers.
$1200 labor.
$260 tax.
$3860 total (without tune)

Nice to have, but No thanks.

How much would you be willing to pay for headers + install?
Just curious, I also think it's too much cost for gains you get.

PaperishPlastic

11-11-2012, 09:14 PM

The headers are a little pricey but they are definitely worth it. They make a very noticeable difference.

Mtoor

11-11-2012, 11:50 PM

will be moved in 3...2....

well_armed

11-12-2012, 07:17 AM

How much would you be willing to pay for headers + install?
Just curious, I also think it's too much cost for gains you get.

I probably would pay for the headers, if the gains were more than that. My brain looks at the hp delta with a tune and then applies that pricing to the headers and it brings back "too much."

oc cc

11-12-2012, 09:32 AM

$2400 for the headers.
$1200 labor.
$260 tax.
$3860 total (without tune)

Nice to have, but No thanks.

Spoken like someone who has never sat in an S4 with headers.... If you REALLY wanna get into it, you know what's the most retarded? Exhaust systems. They literally provide nothing more than sound, and average systems for the S4 go above $2400. Why would you pay that much just for sound, an no increase in performance???? It's not like you S4 guys get it for the quad tips that us A4 guys get them for, right? But I don't see anyone complaining about the prices of those...

My point is, you can't knock it till you've seen/driven it. Every review raves about it, and truth be told, it is friggen epic. I have been in PaperishPlastic's car, and when we met up 2 days ago he revved it for me and it was unreal. I never thought I'd say this, but that V6 sounds better than most V8s.

S4charged

11-12-2012, 09:51 AM

I would love to hear one in person. I'm curious though if you get more gains going Stage2 + Pulley or Stage 1 + Headers..

I was about to order a pulley... maybe i should wait..

13S4

11-12-2012, 10:12 AM

You will get way more out of Stage 2 + Pulley. One you already have Stage 2, headers is the next step.

S4charged

11-12-2012, 10:22 AM

You will get way more out of Stage 2 + Pulley. One you already have Stage 2, headers is the next step.

I guess I will go ahead and order the pulley then

Blackhawk878

11-12-2012, 06:52 PM

I would love to hear one in person.

What part of the US are you located? Maybe someone on here is in your area with a set on.

DATZ

11-12-2012, 07:55 PM

If you can, I'd love to hear a video of what the headers sound like on your DSG. I know it won't do it justice, but I really want to hear what the DSG shift fart souds like with the headers on (I've ridden in a 6mt with the EC headers so I know how awesome they sound in general). Thanks!

richib86

11-13-2012, 06:12 AM

you should hear it now with my revised exhaust [:D]
If you can, I'd love to hear a video of what the headers sound like on your DSG. I know it won't do it justice, but I really want to hear what the DSG shift fart souds like with the headers on (I've ridden in a 6mt with the EC headers so I know how awesome they sound in general). Thanks!

ENV²

11-13-2012, 06:32 AM

you should hear it now with my revised exhaust [:D]

Rich I want to hear your car in person. I have seen it more than once but always just parked with nobody around. Are you going on any runs ?

Deckdout2

11-13-2012, 08:37 AM

Need some sound clips people.......

oc cc

11-13-2012, 08:51 AM

Don't worry I spoke with David at Eurocode not too long ago, he is readying dynos and sound clips when he gets a chance. Keep an eye on this thread.

richib86

11-13-2012, 09:07 AM

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/410100-eurocode-headers-with-res-and-non-res-miltek-exhaust(updated-2-19-11)?highlight=eurocode+headers
Don't worry I spoke with David at Eurocode not too long ago, he is readying dynos and sound clips when he gets a chance. Keep an eye on this thread.

Blackhawk878

11-13-2012, 09:44 AM

Didn't get chance to do much before I hit the road again for work. Will be back next week and can find a suitable place to get some sound/vid clips.

richib86

11-13-2012, 09:48 AM

should sound exactly the same as the videos i posted
Didn't get chance to do much before I hit the road again for work. Will be back next week and can find a suitable place to get some sound/vid clips.

David@EuroCode

11-13-2012, 12:30 PM

Link to thread covering B8 S4 Dyno info (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/389297-EuroCode-Tuning-B8-S4-3-0T-Dyno-Extravaganza!!!-91-Craptane!?p=5722173&viewfull=1#post5722173)

EuroCode Long Tube headers produce 25 horsepower to the wheels over a tuned B8 S4 and over 15 foot pounds torque higher to the wheels through the entire power band over a tuned B8 S4. In every case the power band is much smoother whenever the headers are being used.

The most gains were achieved on a stock vehicle where we gained over 30 horsepower to the wheels. This would equate to about 38 horsepower at the crankshaft. Most aftermarket exhaust manufacturers advertise less than 9HP gain for a full system with downpipes (which is required for those gains) ranging in price from $2100 all the way up to $2850. We feel that a 30+ horsepower gain over any possible configuration for a B8 S4 3.0 TFSI tuned or otherwise stock at $2395 is a far greater deal than a cat back system for around $2500 any day.

Stock vs EuroCode Tuning Long Tube Headers only
http://www.ecodetuning.com/gallery/B8S4/DynoRuns/Stock_vs_EC_Headers.jpg

Stock vs APR 91 Octane Programming V 1.0
http://www.ecodetuning.com/gallery/B8S4/DynoRuns/Stock_vs_APR_tune.jpg

Stock vs EuroCode Tuning Long Tube Headers with APR 91 Octane Programming V 1.0
http://www.ecodetuning.com/gallery/B8S4/DynoRuns/Stock_vs_APR_tune_w_EC_Headers.jpg

APR 91 Octane Programming vs Eurocode Tuning Long Tube Headers with APR 91 Octane Programming V 1.0
http://www.ecodetuning.com/gallery/B8S4/DynoRuns/APR_tune_vs_APR_tune_w_EC_Headers.jpg

Here is a dyno run submitted by a customer in Las Vegas from March of this year on a mustang Dyno. The vehicle was equipped with APR V2.0 with pulley, Milltek cat back, Carbonio intake and EuroCode headers using 100oct mode. 460 horsepower to the wheels and 384 foot pounds torque to the wheels. We were able to duplicate this result for a magazine shoot out on a Dynapack which will be released in Jan or Feb of 2013 issue of european car magazine.
http://www.ecodetuning.com/gallery/B8S4/DynoRuns/ECheaders_APRV2_100oct.png

Two video clips demonstrating the power of header vs stock manifolds.

http://youtu.be/DPXsg1zbNqc?hd=1

http://youtu.be/K66gNKkCHyM?hd=1

Here are some sound clip videos for you to enjoy!

http://youtu.be/R36E29l4m0I?hd=1

Be sure to check out this comprehensive review conducted by one of our customers (http://circuittested.com/2011/08/29/review-eurocode-long-tube-headers/)

Good read on the performance of EuroCode headers (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/501272-Trip-to-Mexico-Revo-Stage1-VS-Headers)

David@EuroCode

11-13-2012, 12:31 PM

Some more video clips with exhaust sound for you to review

http://youtu.be/3MJJs7G-B5U?hd=1

http://youtu.be/sOLxib0SK4w?hd=1

http://youtu.be/ThvDvHLTST8?hd=1

David@EuroCode

11-13-2012, 12:32 PM

more :)

http://youtu.be/8_O4guDaEpo

http://youtu.be/IqNi62zeW5A?hd=1

http://youtu.be/SKeRID3jbJA?hd=1

Thank you for taking the time to read my long as post, hope it has been informative.

Deckdout2

11-13-2012, 01:25 PM

I have a couple questions David........

Are there any CEL's after install and if there are, how do you resolve them?

Are you able to assist with the details of the install? Do you have any documentation on install procedures? I would think that would definitely incline more sales of these great products. I'd like to think of myself as pretty mechanically inclined, but a guide of some sort, and some tips and tricks would make this more enticing to purchase, as I'm not paying someone over $1000 to install these for me......It's just not happening.

S4charged

11-13-2012, 02:04 PM

PaperishPlastic

11-13-2012, 02:20 PM

David@EuroCode

11-13-2012, 02:38 PM

I have a couple questions David........

Are there any CEL's after install and if there are, how do you resolve them?

We re-locate the O2 sensor far enough back and have only had a few incidents where the lights comes on occasionally. We supply you with the necessary OEM adaptors and extension wires to achive this along with new bungs to be welded on. APR now has a file which will eliminate this issue all together if you have their tune.

Are you able to assist with the details of the install? Do you have any documentation on install procedures? I would think that would definitely incline more sales of these great products. I'd like to think of myself as pretty mechanically inclined, but a guide of some sort, and some tips and tricks would make this more enticing to purchase, as I'm not paying someone over $1000 to install these for me......It's just not happening.

If you are mechanically inclined we can send you the necessary pages from the factory repair manual to help guide you through the R&I of the factory manifolds.

The team @ EuroCode has managed to install the headers without removing the engine from a DSG equipped B8 S4. This also means you no longer have to discharging the AC system. We still would recommend that you drop the engine if you do not have access to an automotive lift.

David@EuroCode

11-13-2012, 02:42 PM

Can you pull the motor? Or the tranny?

You dont need to pull the trans or the motor if you have a lift.

PaperishPlastic

11-13-2012, 02:44 PM

Can you pull the motor? Or the tranny?
why would you want to pull on a tranny? I thought you were from California not Bangkok.

richib86

11-13-2012, 02:53 PM

why would you want to pull on a tranny? I thought you were from California not Bangkok.

lol

oc cc

11-13-2012, 03:42 PM

Here is what I always tell people regarding installing hardware. Sure, why pay someone say $50 to install something like an intake, when you can do it to yourself. However, with parts such as headers, ecu removal, etc, it is worth the money for a professional install because if anything goes wrong, the company who did the install is liable and must fix it. And considering Eurocode team consists of very down to earth people who will do their best to fix problems out of pocket, it is worth the customer service alone. Trust me dude, it is just not worth it to try and do yourself unless you have experience as a tech/mechanic. With Eurocode, you don't even have to think twice about things going right, and IF they don't, you can rest assured knowing they will fix it. I myself follow a philosophy of paying good money for good service. Majority of people who installed these did it professionally and share my sentiments, and will gladly tell you that even though they may be mechanically inclined, it was well worth it. And why not go to the source if you can :)

S4charged

11-13-2012, 04:07 PM

why would you want to pull on a tranny? I thought you were from California not Bangkok.

Lol.

I read that installation requires pulling out the motor or the transmission. Am i wrong?! [headbang]

petrashevsky

11-14-2012, 08:19 AM

Sound wise, have these only been installed and sounding great with Milltek resonated? I remember Richi had them on with Fast Intentions exhaust and that was way too loud. Same goes for Milltek non-res.
Has anyone tried EC headers with AWE exhaust? resonated or stock downpipes?

richib86

11-14-2012, 08:33 AM

the guys at eurotech installed on an AWE car and said it was loud but sounded great, i havent heard it personally yet

Sound wise, have these only been installed and sounding great with Milltek resonated? I remember Richi had them on with Fast Intentions exhaust and that was way too loud. Same goes for Milltek non-res.
Has anyone tried EC headers with AWE exhaust? resonated or stock downpipes?

DATZ

11-14-2012, 02:32 PM

the guys at eurotech installed on an AWE car and said it was loud but sounded great, i havent heard it personally yet

I heard it, but only idling (Danek started it up for me when I was picking up their black trim pieces). It was LOUD on cold start-up but mellowed some when the RPM's dropped. Unlike the Miltek setup which sounds almost stock while idling, you could tell the AWE car had some serious engine mods on it even just sitting there. Can't imagine it at WOT; may be a bit much for everyday driving, although still pretty awesome.

blackESfour

11-14-2012, 02:36 PM

PaperishPlastic

11-14-2012, 03:17 PM

i have this Eurocode headers with my Neuspeed exhaust, Non res. Was wayyyy too loud and raspy and drone was awful. Got awe resonators to quiet it down, still drone, but not as abnoxious now outside the car.

Ya I was running the headers with a Miltek Resonated exhaust and it was perfect. Sounded crisp and clean and 0 drone. I mean no drone at any RPM at any throttle. I have been running the Miltek Non res for the past 3 weeks and it is very very mean sounding but a little too loud for my tastes. I like to stay as low key as I can.

ultra

11-14-2012, 03:27 PM

Ya I was running the headers with a Miltek Resonated exhaust and it was perfect. Sounded crisp and clean and 0 drone. I mean no drone at any RPM at any throttle. I have been running the Miltek Non res for the past 3 weeks and it is very very mean sounding but a little too loud for my tastes. I like to stay as low key as I can.

sarcasm, it's what's for dinner

PaperishPlastic

11-14-2012, 04:42 PM

sarcasm, it's what's for dinner

well as low key as you can get in a green car.

richib86

11-14-2012, 07:02 PM

well as low key as you can get in a green car.
QFT lol

S4charged

11-14-2012, 07:15 PM

I heard Eurocodes orange S4 today, Miltek non res / headers.. Sounds great. Like a V8.. Heard a few revs and WOT..

ENV²

11-15-2012, 05:57 AM

I heard Eurocodes orange S4 today, Miltek non res / headers.. Sounds great. Like a V8.. Heard a few revs and WOT..

Really? I heard that pairing the headers with NON RES makes it unbearably loud for DD.

richib86

11-15-2012, 06:32 AM

not with the miltek. its loud but livable. the FI on the other hand not the case
Really? I heard that pairing the headers with NON RES makes it unbearably loud for DD.

Info@EuroCode

11-15-2012, 06:34 AM

I heard Eurocodes orange S4 today, Miltek non res / headers.. Sounds great. Like a V8.. Heard a few revs and WOT..
If you had heard the car yesterday, we had the Milltek Resonated system on it.

S4charged

11-15-2012, 06:59 AM

If you had heard the car yesterday, we had the Milltek Resonated system on it.

Ah my mistake I meant RESONATED... sorry.
But yeah it sounds awesome, just right.

ENV²

11-15-2012, 07:22 AM

not with the miltek. its loud but livable. the FI on the other hand not the case

You were one of the people I got that feedback from. I always wondered what made you do the resonated rear over the non res, if it is livable.

richib86

11-15-2012, 07:28 AM

my rs4 was stupid loud and attracted way to much unwanted attention. the res system allows you to roll stealth when cruising, i was fed up with getting tickets cus when i got pulled over in the rs4 id get a triple whammy of tint, no plate and exhaust too loud every time. now the only law i break is no plate and they leave me alone haha
You were one of the people I got that feedback from. I always wondered what made you do the resonated rear over the non res, if it is livable.

richib86

11-15-2012, 07:29 AM

its not overbearingly loud, but not civilized either

ENV²

11-15-2012, 07:35 AM

ultra

11-15-2012, 09:29 AM

yeah the non-res Miltek system was too loud, kinda sounded sloppy actually but either way the sound is transformed that's for sure

Deckdout2

11-20-2012, 08:31 AM

Just remembered to come back and check this thread. I hate replies like this cause now I'm more enticed to pull the trigger. Damn you guys!

Ive had my headers for a couple of months now. No Cell's at all.

That's good to hear, I had CEL issues for the longest time with my Maxima, and even though I lived with it I just don't want to deal with it on this car.

We re-locate the O2 sensor far enough back and have only had a few incidents where the lights comes on occasionally. We supply you with the necessary OEM adaptors and extension wires to achive this along with new bungs to be welded on. APR now has a file which will eliminate this issue all together if you have their tune.

If you are mechanically inclined we can send you the necessary pages from the factory repair manual to help guide you through the R&I of the factory manifolds.

The team @ EuroCode has managed to install the headers without removing the engine from a DSG equipped B8 S4. This also means you no longer have to discharging the AC system. We still would recommend that you drop the engine if you do not have access to an automotive lift.

Good! I have a options to my disposal to make sure I don't throw any codes. Having the sensor relocated further downstream, and now the APR file. Will I have to send my ECU in again for the 38th time? blah. I'm use to it by now, so it's alright I suppose.

I can pull this job no problem, with the proper guidance to make my life easier for sure. I have access to a lift (I assume you mean like a 4 post lift) so if that's going to prevent me from pulling the motor then I'm good with that. I'm trying to understand how I would still not have to drop the motor if I have a lift. Is it just clearance to the ground that I need cause I have to pull the OEM manifolds out in some sort of contorted angle? Do I need to shift, drop the motor any for clearance if I use the lift?

Here is what I always tell people regarding installing hardware. Sure, why pay someone say $50 to install something like an intake, when you can do it to yourself. However, with parts such as headers, ecu removal, etc, it is worth the money for a professional install because if anything goes wrong, the company who did the install is liable and must fix it. And considering Eurocode team consists of very down to earth people who will do their best to fix problems out of pocket, it is worth the customer service alone. Trust me dude, it is just not worth it to try and do yourself unless you have experience as a tech/mechanic. With Eurocode, you don't even have to think twice about things going right, and IF they don't, you can rest assured knowing they will fix it. I myself follow a philosophy of paying good money for good service. Majority of people who installed these did it professionally and share my sentiments, and will gladly tell you that even though they may be mechanically inclined, it was well worth it. And why not go to the source if you can :)

I understand this completely and wholeheartedly and this wouldn't be an issue for me if I had more trust in my local shops. That's the very reason I do everything myself, and I mean everything. Unless it's something stupid simple that I'm just doing for convenience, like an oil change at a local performance shop, and even then I go back after them. Or I have to really trust you to do the job for it to be a consideration. I've ensued my trust in too many shops, and would expect them to be as detail oriented as I was and have them treat my car like their own, and I still have yet to be proven wrong with my dissatisfied service I've received. Alot of shops get cars in and out all day, and to get that "personal" one on one care is hard sometimes if it's not your car. I'd rather not have to have a shop fix any that goes wrong, I'd rather have it right the first time.

Now, having said that there is an exception to this rule......there always is. If Eurocode were closer to my location, or any of the "specific" B8 shops were close to me and I entrusted them then I would gladly use them. My issue is experience, and if this is the first time you're installing a mod such as this on my particular model or especially if you've never touched a car like mine, I don't want to be your guinea pig. I'd rather do it myself, and if I mess up it's on me. I wouldn't want to have any animosity towards someone else fubaring my car, cause at the end of the day all I'm going to get is excuses. Didn't mean for this to turn into a non related response, but I do this as a hobby on the side for other people and I'm tired of fixing mistakes of other shops because they rushed and didn't do things right the first time, or cut corners.

the guys at eurotech installed on an AWE car and said it was loud but sounded great, i havent heard it personally yet

I'm really curious to hear how this sounds on the APR RSC's setup! I'm sure I would have to be the first for this to happen as I haven't seen or even remotely heard of anyone else install headers on with this setup.

Alright, going to do more reading and drooling........

richib86

11-20-2012, 11:09 AM

I'm really curious to hear how this sounds on the APR RSC's setup! I'm sure I would have to be the first for this to happen as I haven't seen or even remotely heard of anyone else install headers on with this setup.

eurocode had this setup and said it was far to raspy to be enjoyable

Akrion

11-20-2012, 11:28 AM

eurocode had this setup and said it was far to raspy to be enjoyable

I think with AWE resonated it will sound great ... just cant pull the trigger yet ... main concern is the shops around me ... do not trust them with such install

Deckdout2

11-20-2012, 12:19 PM

eurocode had this setup and said it was far to raspy to be enjoyable

Dammit!

PaperishPlastic

11-20-2012, 12:23 PM

Dammit!

well I heard the RSC with headers it was a little raspy but didnt sound too bad. It didnt have droan and kind of sounded like a V8 M3 but louder.

Deckdout2

11-20-2012, 12:33 PM

I think with AWE resonated it will sound great ... just cant pull the trigger yet ... main concern is the shops around me ... do not trust them with such install

Heard.

Deckdout2

11-20-2012, 12:34 PM

well I heard the RSC with headers it was a little raspy but didnt sound too bad. It didnt have droan and kind of sounded like a V8 M3 but louder.

Raspy has a few different connotations. It ultimately depends on actually doing it and hearing the end result. I'mma prolly have to give it a shot, I might like it.

ENV²

11-20-2012, 12:38 PM

APR is an amazingly awesome company but I have yet to hear any configuration of anything attached to the RSC (or standalone) system that sounds as good as AWE or Milltek.

jdwk

11-20-2012, 02:28 PM

I have long tube headers on my C6 and it was by far the single best mod I've done to that car. It is a total transformation. I am using the stock mufflers and it is still incredibly quiet at idle or cruise, but sounds fantastic when you step on it. The best analogy I've come up with is driving with stock manifolds is like having sex with a condom.

The LG long tubes were good for around 25rwhp and almost 40lb-ft down low, which is a massive difference. I bought them off the forums used, and installed them myself, so after buying cats, I was out $1400. The install was a 3-4 hour job.

I figured I would do the same thing to the S4 when I finally got one, but that was before I realized how much more it would cost. I would love to have headers on the S4, but I just don't see my cheapness being overcome to make this happen. It's just that labor is not recoverable. If and when I sell the Vette, I will pop off the headers and resell them. I'll lose a couple hundred dollars at most and a few hours of my time. But to install or remove the headers on the S4, I would have to rent a lift for a couple days even if could work up the courage to attempt it myself.

I am also with Deckdout2. Part of me does my own work because it is my hobby, part of me does it because I am cheap, part of me does it because of pride, but 90% of it is that I don't trust other people touching my cars. If you want something done right, you have to do it yourself.

I suppose I could make the drive to LA from Phoenix, but tack on gas and hotel etc and the value diminishes further. Perhaps I can time it with the Long Beach Grand Prix next year.

westwest888

12-20-2012, 03:59 PM

Dumb question: do these headers delete the catalytic converters? California CARB is super strict about screwing with the environmental pieces.

well_armed

12-20-2012, 04:06 PM

Yes

David@EuroCode

12-20-2012, 04:14 PM

Dumb question: do these headers delete the catalytic converters? California CARB is super strict about screwing with the environmental pieces.

Yes, and we have downpipes which includes high flow cats upon request. The headers are for off road use only and should not be installed upon a vehicle which is driven on public highways. In fact you are not allowed to install any aftermarket cat (other than OEM), software tune or aftermarket intake as it would be a violation of CARB. Some companies invest in CARB exemption for specific products, but I haven't seen any company in 10 years do that for the Audi product. Neuspeed has been the only company that has invested and mainly VW stuff, and some cross shared parts with the A3.

PaperishPlastic

12-20-2012, 04:16 PM

Dumb question: do these headers delete the catalytic converters? California CARB is super strict about screwing with the environmental pieces.

You dont have to smog yout car for many many years. You'll be ok

westwest888

12-20-2012, 04:25 PM

How much more for the headers with HFC?

PaperishPlastic

12-20-2012, 04:26 PM

How much more for the headers with HFC?

How much you got?

David@EuroCode

12-20-2012, 04:37 PM

How much more for the headers with HFC?

$900 for the downpipes, the headers are on the site.

Blackhawk878

12-20-2012, 05:28 PM

How much you got?

LOL

westwest888

12-20-2012, 06:50 PM

$900 for the downpipes, the headers are on the site.

OK so $3295 total. Any pics of the downpipe with the cat?

David@EuroCode

12-20-2012, 07:01 PM

OK so $3295 total. Any pics of the downpipe with the cat?

No we dont have pictures but they are 2.5" downpipes with 2.5" highflow 200 cell cats. Of all the headers we have sold world wide we have had 0 request for cats so we never even went live with the product. It is only avialble upon request.

westwest888

12-20-2012, 07:49 PM

Dirty world.

David@EuroCode

12-20-2012, 07:52 PM

Dirty world.

Keep your car stock, because even a simple tune increases the pollution output of your motor tremendously filtered or not! Not to mention it is not California approved. ;)

westwest888

12-20-2012, 08:35 PM

David@EuroCode

12-21-2012, 02:39 PM

Even tuned, these cars are so much cleaner than anything from 15 or 20 years ago. The Smog report I had from my 2006 BMW was a 0 in every category except carbon monoxide. Were it not for that, you could breathe the air coming out of the tail pipe.

Although your statement holds truth (only if you are using the factory cat), it still doesn’t change the fact that a horsepower increase from 330HP to 450 will most definitely increase the amount of pollutants exiting the tail pipes of that vehicle. Even if you pass emissions you are polluting the air and are hurting the environment more than you should. If this is enough to justify that what you are doing is not illegal, then so be it, but you are breaking CARB laws no matter how you choose to spin it.

We offer 49 state legal cats for tose who are interested.

dbcperformance

12-21-2012, 03:07 PM

Although your statement holds truth (only if you are using the factory cat), it still doesn’t change the fact that a horsepower increase from 330HP to 450 will most definitely increase the amount of pollutants exiting the tail pipes of that vehicle. Even if you pass emissions you are polluting the air and are hurting the environment more than you should. If this is enough to justify that what you are doing is not illegal, then so be it, but you are breaking CARB laws no matter how you choose to spin it.

We offer 49 state legal cats for tose who are interested.

I like smokes!

David@EuroCode

12-21-2012, 03:18 PM

I like smokes!

Thats Hatada!

PaperishPlastic

12-21-2012, 03:22 PM

Thats Hatada!

Hatada is in Town??

David@EuroCode

12-21-2012, 03:29 PM

Hatada is in Town??

No, Hatada is smoke San!

PCHS4

01-31-2013, 08:41 AM

Didn't get chance to do much before I hit the road again for work. Will be back next week and can find a suitable place to get some sound/vid clips.

Would love to hear what they sound like on a DSG. Can't find any videos of this.

BKS45

01-31-2013, 10:50 AM

David@EuroCode

01-31-2013, 11:50 AM

All this tuning talk makes me miss my C63 :-( We used to complain about the costs of modding on the MB forums but a set of long tube headers and a tune nets you well over +100WHP for about $5K...significantly better value when compared to the these header+tune combos.

Myself, I'm waiting on the AWE pulley to pair with the GIAC tune...I'll make due with my Stasis in the meantime.

APR Tune $1249.00 (The dynos below are without the pulley upgrade)
EuroCode Headers $2395.00
Install $800
Total $4444.00

Total gain 87.98 wheel horsepower or approximately 109.97 crank horsepower on 91octane fuel.

Total gain 122.16 wheel horsepower or approximately 152.70 crank horsepower on 100octane fuel.

Add APR pulley for additional power $549.

Pulley and install along with above parts $5293 which yields the +100 wheel horsepower for $5K. Hope this helps clarify the actual cost of doing these mods. [:)]

APR & EuroCode Headers on 91OCT
http://www.ecodetuning.com/gallery/B8S4/DynoRuns/Stock_vs_APR_tune_w_EC_Headers.jpg

APR & EuroCode Headers on 100OCT
http://www.ecodetuning.com/gallery/B8S4/DynoRuns/Stock_vs_APR_Race_w_EC_Headers.jpg

well_armed

02-06-2013, 07:48 PM

Any installation instructions available?

I just installed a lift and would self perform.

DATZ

02-07-2013, 09:19 AM

Would love to hear what they sound like on a DSG. Can't find any videos of this.

+1. The lack of DSG sound clips is frustrating. I really want to hear how loud the DSG shift fart is with the headers and Milltek Res.

PCHS4

02-07-2013, 09:28 AM

I will be back in LA soon and if things work out I will get the install done. In that case I will post some videos with sound.

richib86

02-07-2013, 09:39 AM

+1. The lack of DSG sound clips is frustrating. I really want to hear how loud the DSG shift fart is with the headers and Milltek Res.

imolamonster has that exact setup

PCHS4

02-07-2013, 09:42 AM

imolamonster has that exact setup

Is there a sound clip/video lurking out there? I couldn't find it.

PaperishPlastic

02-07-2013, 09:50 AM

+1. The lack of DSG sound clips is frustrating. I really want to hear how loud the DSG shift fart is with the headers and Milltek Res.

My buddy has heaers on his DSG but hes running a fast intentions exhaust, I have posted some vids of his car getting on it in the past.

DATZ

02-07-2013, 09:56 AM

imolamonster has that exact setup

Yeah but as far as I know he's only posted vids of his original AWE/Stasis Franken-exhaust which sounded like an angry, dying camel screaming. I asked him for clips of his current Milltek setup last summer but I don't think he ever posted them (nothing on his youtube acct at least)

DATZ

02-07-2013, 10:01 AM

My buddy has heaers on his DSG but hes running a fast intentions exhaust, I have posted some vids of his car getting on it in the past.

Is that the side by side video with your car that Eurocode posted on the first page of this thread?

PaperishPlastic

02-07-2013, 10:29 AM

no thats another friend he had the AWE exhaust with stock headers in that video. He ended up crashing the car and now has a 2013 with headers and miltek but its not a DSG anymore, he ended up getting a manual this time. I posted a side by side of me and him on the freeway, and during one of our canyon runs someone posted a video of us flying by 1 by 1 in the southwest socal section

dbcperformance

02-07-2013, 11:13 AM

No, Hatada is smoke San!

Tobacco San lol, can't wait!

Deckdout2

02-07-2013, 11:32 AM

If anybody knows anyone with these headers and the APR RSC exhaust can you please take and post up some sound clips. I would really love to hear these prior to picking them up.

well_armed

02-08-2013, 03:03 PM

so no digital instructions? :)

David@EuroCode

02-08-2013, 03:28 PM

so no digital instructions? :)

If you have purchased the headers from us or one of our delaers we can provide you with the factory R&I instructions in digital format so you can undertake the install.

well_armed

02-08-2013, 03:34 PM

Thanks for the reply.

I wanted to peruse the instructions to before buying, see if its something I could tackle.

If I cannot self perform, does that mean I have to go to Torrance? Or are their closer shops that can do this for me?

David@EuroCode

02-08-2013, 04:25 PM

Honestly if you need to review the guide to gauge difficulty I would recommend getting it professionally installed. However you are more than welcome to call us and we can discuss with you what is required.

Achtuning in WA can do the install for you.

well_armed

02-08-2013, 05:43 PM

Sent pm

well_armed

02-08-2013, 08:05 PM

Everyone here recommends the Eurocode headers with Resonated Milltek.

How about the AWE option? I love my current exhaust, so I am wondering if anyone has these headers with resonated AWE stuff.

Anyone?

PCHS4

04-21-2013, 12:11 AM

Jones2012s4

04-21-2013, 12:26 AM

Just got the EuroCode headers with the Milltek resonated on Friday. So far I love the sound, not at all harsh and kinda sophisticated. Have not driven a lot, but it seems that the DSG fart is practically non-existent (have not had a opportunity to go WOT). This surprised me and wanted to see if anyone else had this experience.

My DSG fart is like a shotgun with my setup. It sounds phenomenal.

OEM Downpipes
AWE Exhaust
Eurocode Headers

http://youtu.be/vPSxvSphN4c

PCHS4

04-21-2013, 05:58 PM

What tune are you running?

My DSG fart is like a shotgun with my setup. It sounds phenomenal.

OEM Downpipes
AWE Exhaust
Eurocode Headers

http://youtu.be/vPSxvSphN4c

Jones2012s4

04-21-2013, 06:04 PM

What tune are you running?

Audi Tune

:)