Aftermarket Rods/Pistons anywhere?

[itguy]

Anyone know if someone has started making rods/pistons yet for this platform?

[PaperishPlastic]

Anyone know if someone has started making rods/pistons yet for this platform?
Do you have a B8 S4 or are you just curios?

[itguy]

Do you have a B8 S4 or are you just curios?

Wow, off to a flying start. And I thought the b5 s4 section was bad. I have a customer who has given me his car to build a single turbo kit, and your shitty stock pistons and rods will not hold the power I plan on running.

If you have more input you soap box'in MF'er then share, otherwise GTFO of my thread.

[dparm]

Dude, relax. He was just trying to understand why you were asking. It wasn't antagonistic.

[itguy]

Dude, relax. He was just trying to understand why you were asking. It wasn't antagonistic.

Well then, excuse me(if it was innocent) for thinking this was as bad/worse than the b5/s4 section. I just hate replies like that... Its not helpful, if he wants to know the answer to that, start a thread called "why does ITGUY want to know about rods/pistons?"

[Blackhawk878]

No.

Thread/

[itguy]

Thanks!

[apexit1]

You're aware of APRs larger sc?

[motionneon]

Anyone know if someone has started making rods/pistons yet for this platform?

Id be interested as well. Please share if you learn anything. My buddy has a b5 currently reinforcing internals. I see our platform weakness is that if we ever hope to achieve insane output #s. Thanks

[Toecutter]

Wow, off to a flying start. And I thought the b5 s4 section was bad. I have a customer who has given me his car to build a single turbo kit, and your shitty stock pistons and rods will not hold the power I plan on running.

If you have more input you soap box'in MF'er then share, otherwise GTFO of my thread.

Do I understand this right? A customer wants you to convert his B8 from a supercharger to a turbo?

[motionneon]

Do I understand this right? A customer wants you to convert his B8 from a supercharger to a turbo?

Might be a cheaper mod than a new/bigger SC?

[PaperishPlastic]

Wow, off to a flying start. And I thought the b5 s4 section was bad. I have a customer who has given me his car to build a single turbo kit, and your shitty stock pistons and rods will not hold the power I plan on running.

If you have more input you soap box'in MF'er then share, otherwise GTFO of my thread.

You know what you can kiss my ass you dumb shit. I was asking because I wanted to know whether I should get in depth or not waste my time typing 2 paragraphs on this forum. Good luck blowing up your customers car and crying all night while he takes you to court. Have fun asshole and get off the B8 S4 forums troll.

[PitchS4]

Wow, off to a flying start. And I thought the b5 s4 section was bad. I have a customer who has given me his car to build a single turbo kit, and your shitty stock pistons and rods will not hold the power I plan on running.

If you have more input you soap box'in MF'er then share, otherwise GTFO of my thread.

So you own a performance shop and this is how you act? Good luck with ur business sir...

[ENV²]

Looks like B5 guys are starting to buy the CPO B8s.... It was only a matter of time. Hope our forum section doesn't turn to shit.

[IanVr6]

Anyone know if someone has started making rods/pistons yet for this platform?

^Troll

[mdma2004]

Looks like B5 guys are starting to buy the CPO B8s.... It was only a matter of time. Hope our forum section doesn't turn to shit.

It will...when these kids will get their hands on beat up B8s and talk shit about who's car is faster.

[ENV²]

It will...when these kids will get their hands on beat up B8s and talk shit about who's car is faster.

I know. I am not looking forward to that at all. It will be like certain bimmerpost sections. Can we make a forum for mature car enthusiasts? 6speedonline and lux4play cant be the only 2 lol

[itguy]

I know. I am not looking forward to that at all. It will be like certain bimmerpost sections. Can we make a forum for mature car enthusiasts? 6speedonline and lux4play cant be the only 2 lol

I just checked, matureoldfartswithrimsandstance.com is free at godaddy, snatch it up quick and start your own forum!

[itguy]

Do I understand this right? A customer wants you to convert his B8 from a supercharger to a turbo?

Yes you do. Once I find rods/pistons, the engine is coming out and the SC is going in the trash.

[jran76]

Yes you do. Once I find rods/pistons, the engine is coming out and the SC is going in the trash.

Why not use both? The SC would be a nice compliment to a single turbo and you can retain the current intercooler/aftercooler setup. Also, how do you know the limits of the stock internal, or maybe a better question is what sort of power are you talking about?

[itguy]

^Troll

LoL what are you, another old fart trying to use modern internet lingo? Go educate yourself http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Troll

[itguy]

Why not use both? The SC would be a nice compliment to a single turbo and you can retain the current intercooler/aftercooler setup. Also, how do you know the limits of the stock internal, or maybe a better question is what sort of power are you talking about?

Glad someone normal joined in the thread. My friend just picked up a 2013 s4 so instead of destroying the stock internals with a PT 6262 we are going to build the bottom end rather than push the stock to breaking. We are aiming for something around the levels that max@034 is achieving with his single turbo'd b5 550whp and matching torque. Space is at a premium and would rather build a large intake manifold than squeeze everything into the current setup. Once we find pistons and rods, and the engine comes out, ill start a build thread.

The 3.0L should spool a 6262 nicely with a .63 hotside.

[Jacksonbeall]

Glad someone normal joined in the thread. My friend just picked up a 2013 s4 so instead of destroying the stock internals with a PT 6262 we are going to build the bottom end rather than push the stock to breaking. We are aiming for something around the levels that max@034 is achieving with his single turbo'd b5 550whp and matching torque. Space is at a premium and would rather build a large intake manifold than squeeze everything into the current setup. Once we find pistons and rods, and the engine comes out, ill start a build thread.

The 3.0L should spool a 6262 nicely with a .63 hotside.

This may seem like a stupid solution but could you not contact a company like Weistec Engineering and have them create a set for you?

[Blackhawk878]

If you're going to throw it in the trash can I have it and anything you take off of it?

[itguy]

This may seem like a stupid solution but could you not contact a company like Weistec Engineering and have them create a set for you?

A route like this may be my only option however I figured I would check in here first to see if anything had been done already. The custom route may be the only option. I will hit up RPM too as they are the current builders of the h beam rods for the 2.7T block.

[itguy]

If you're going to throw it in the trash can I have it and anything you take off of it?

We will probably post the parts up in the classifieds so keep an eye on that in the next month or 2

[Jacksonbeall]

A route like this may be my only option however I figured I would check in here first to see if anything had been done already. The custom route may be the only option. I will hit up RPM too as they are the current builders of the h beam rods for the 2.7T block.

I assume that the manifold will also have to be a custom piece?

[DATZ]

Odds on this project actually happening? I'll put the opening line at 120-1.

[itguy]

I assume that the manifold will also have to be a custom piece?

Yup, will resemble this style http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w189/domy954/795CFDC0-1ED9-42D7-B7C0-85570A893625-7248-00000B9FC5F4A72B.jpg

[well_armed]

This is helarious, let me put the popcorn in the microwave

[itguy]

This is helarious, let me put the popcorn in the microwave

So is your spelling. Orville Redenbacher's please!

[wwhan]

Deja Vu...... AMG C32 with SC removed and twin turbos added, 2008 Eurocharged; http://mbworld.org/forums/2798828-post355.html

http://www.letmotorsports.com/projects/ttproject/tt03.jpg

[scorchio]

Hey itguy it sounds rather interesting mate and would love to know how this turns out, as I have been having similar thoughts myself regarding the turbo route. Now thats not to say I dont like the supercharger and its nice scream but I grew up on boost especially twins on my skyline gtr , and kinda miss all the sound effects that go with the snails, thats not saying I only would like turbo/s for the noise.................wait why am I kindding myself of course it is. Good luck on the project and keep us informed

[Jacksonbeall]

Hey itguy it sounds rather interesting mate and would love to know how this turns out, as I have been having similar thoughts myself regarding the turbo route. Now thats not to say I dont like the supercharger and its nice scream but I grew up on boost especially twins on my skyline gtr , and kinda miss all the sound effects that go with the snails, thats not saying I only would like turbo/s for the noise.................wait why am I kindding myself of course it is. Good luck on the project and keep us informed

x2 on this, I feel like we've been waiting on Stage 3 for a bit too long now and it's time to start exploring other options.

[PaperishPlastic]

Glad someone normal joined in the thread. My friend just picked up a 2013 s4 so instead of destroying the stock internals with a PT 6262 we are going to build the bottom end rather than push the stock to breaking. We are aiming for something around the levels that max@034 is achieving with his single turbo'd b5 550whp and matching torque. Space is at a premium and would rather build a large intake manifold than squeeze everything into the current setup. Once we find pistons and rods, and the engine comes out, ill start a build thread.

The 3.0L should spool a 6262 nicely with a .63 hotside.


Wait nothing you say makes sense how do you know how much the shitty stock rods and pistons can handle? You drive an old bucket that you claim makes 390 WHP if you dynoed it. Even your imaginary dyno makes way way less horsepower than my car made at the dyno just a couple of days ago. I mean wayyy less. You claim you want to make 550whp? A friend of mine makes that on his daily driven B8 S4 with a completely stock engine and on the stock supercharger. Why would you completely fabricate a turbo setup for that kind of power? Whose gonna tune it, you with your iPad? Please do your homework and stop talking shit about something you obviously don't understand before you destroy this poor customers car.

[itguy]

Wait nothing you say makes sense how do you know how much the shitty stock rods and pistons can handle? You drive an old bucket that you claim makes 390 WHP if you dynoed it. Even your imaginary dyno makes way way less horsepower than my car made at the dyno just a couple of days ago. I mean wayyy less. You claim you want to make 550whp? A friend of mine makes that on his daily driven B8 S4 with a completely stock engine and on the stock supercharger. Why would you completely fabricate a turbo setup for that kind of power? Whose gonna tune it, you with your iPad? Please do your homework and stop talking shit about something you obviously don't understand before you destroy this poor customers car.

FTR, you have no idea what cars I have so making blind statements just makes you look like an even bigger fool.

Oh ya, and please show me your b8 S4 dyno graph of 550WHP and ill leave your geriatric B8 section for good.

[scorchio]

Come on guys give the guy a break, he asked a simple question. We need more guys like this to push the boundaries and just because it has not been done doesnt mean to say it shouldn't

[motionneon]

I like the idea of sc and tc in tandem. Been done on other platforms and may require less mods.

[Kay15]

I think there are a few that are close to making 430-440whp on 100 octane stage 2+ with bolt ons (cat delete) 550whp seems like quiet a bit I suggest you talk to apr about potential ECU configuration and are you doing a single turbo setup? Were you able to pressure test the rods and stuff. I think APR has a good idea of how much boost it maybe able to handle as they are working on a bigger setup but have not mentioned the need to upgrade any internals. If you are using it as street racing car which is going to be at high rpm very frequently then you may look into it..

Will you be using Meth Injection?
Will you be looking at tranny upgrades (I may have missed it is a DSG or 6Speed) ?
What supporting mods will you be using (Intakes, Exhaust, Wheels) Lots of Dyno runs would be great.

Enjoy the project! I know we all started a little hostile but lets see where this goes!

[motionneon]

Let's all chip in for a test mule. Slap an Eaton 1900 SC in there and see how internals hold up ha ha.

[PaperishPlastic]

FTR, you have no idea what cars I have so making blind statements just makes you look like an even bigger fool.

Oh ya, and please show me your b8 S4 dyno graph of 550WHP and ill leave your geriatric B8 section for good.

Your an idiot I don't need to show you anything. The guy lives in Los Angeles and his name is Michael d. Why don't you ask him for dyno graphs in the very nice way you have been asking us for help, I'm sure he'll be more than happy to help someone like you out.

[PaperishPlastic]

I think there are a few that are close to making 430-440whp on 100 octane stage 2+ with bolt ons (cat delete) 550whp seems like quiet a bit I suggest you talk to apr about potential ECU configuration and are you doing a single turbo setup? Were you able to pressure test the rods and stuff. I think APR has a good idea of how much boost it maybe able to handle as they are working on a bigger setup but have not mentioned the need to upgrade any internals. If you are using it as street racing car which is going to be at high rpm very frequently then you may look into it..

Will you be using Meth Injection?
Will you be looking at tranny upgrades (I may have missed it is a DSG or 6Speed) ?
What supporting mods will you be using (Intakes, Exhaust, Wheels) Lots of Dyno runs would be great.

Enjoy the project! I know we all started a little hostile but lets see where this goes!

European car magazine just dynoed my car this week for their GP event and my car made a lot more power than that. I can't say how much it made till the December or January issue of European car magazine comes out and you will all find out and be very impressed. My buddy runs the same setup as me and has a 100 shot of nos so yes there are B8 S4's that make 550whp out there. They just don't like to brag like I do. Also idiots like this guy should not be working on cars like these when they are completely in the dark on how they work and how much power they are capable of making.

[PaperishPlastic]

FTR, you have no idea what cars I have so making blind statements just makes you look like an even bigger fool.

Oh ya, and please show me your b8 S4 dyno graph of 550WHP and ill leave your geriatric B8 section for good.
Btw I know this is 3 posts in a row but, I don't care what cars you have. I'm talking about your 15 year old b5 S4 that you can't make anywhere near as much power as our B8 S4's even with your imaginary dyno that you yourself claim makes "390 WHP" so why don't you actually try making that car somewhat fast before your get in over your head with a car much more advanced than you? I think this is a legit question.

[Info@EuroCode]

Glad someone normal joined in the thread. My friend just picked up a 2013 s4 so instead of destroying the stock internals with a PT 6262 we are going to build the bottom end rather than push the stock to breaking. We are aiming for something around the levels that max@034 is achieving with his single turbo'd b5 550whp and matching torque. Space is at a premium and would rather build a large intake manifold than squeeze everything into the current setup. Once we find pistons and rods, and the engine comes out, ill start a build thread.

The 3.0L should spool a 6262 nicely with a .63 hotside.

We have already achieved in excess of 550WHP on the OEM internals. If you are serious about rods/pistons we can supply you with them. This conversation is a little too in depth for a discussion thread, please feel free to email us at [email protected].

[PaperishPlastic]

We have already achieved in excess of 550WHP on the OEM internals. If you are serious about rods/pistons we can supply you with them. This conversation is a little too in depth for a discussion thread, please feel free to email us at [email protected].

See if this guy wasn't such a douche I was going to explain this all to him yesterday and refer them to you guys, and who knows he could've had a set of internals overnighted to him and be on his way with this project. Some people like to do things the hard way. They like to do it the sleazy way.

[Kay15]

Well hey guys forget about him, how about you tell us these power making puppies and how solid these engines can be!
These are daily drivers on Pump Gas making that kind of power? I guess the NOS has a big thing to do with it.

Can you say if there are specific upgrades beyond the bolt ons you guys must be using?

[Jacksonbeall]

How about less bringing people down and more mature discussion on how to make this platform faster.

[Can_I_Haz?]

Yes you do. Once I find rods/pistons, the engine is coming out and the SC is going in the trash.

Lolz good luck tuning it. No custom tuning software out and if you think putting a stand alone in a car like a b8s4 is as easy or even possible as a b5 well..... You can waste your customer's money ruining his car and getting sued, shot, etc. Adding a turbo is the easy part. Getting the car to run with zero aftermarket support for this sort of configuration is going to be messy.

[PaperishPlastic]

Lolz good luck tuning it. No custom tuning software out and if you think putting a stand alone in a car like a b8s4 is as easy or even possible as a b5 well..... You can waste your customer's money ruining his car and getting sued, shot, etc. Adding a turbo is the easy part. Getting the car to run with zero aftermarket support for this sort of configuration is going to be messy.

That's exactly the point I brought up earlier. Earlier this guy wouldn't be able to tune a B8 no way he's tuning a B8.5 the major tuners who I'm sure are frantically trying to crack and tune the B8.5 havnt been able to do it yet. But I guess they don't have an ItGuy from Sin City tuning it for them [rolleyes]. This guy is the greatest thing that has ever happend to Audi.

[Leor604]

That's exactly the point I brought up earlier. Earlier this guy wouldn't be able to tune a B8 no way he's tuning a B8.5 the major tuners who I'm sure are frantically trying to crack and tune the B8.5 havnt been able to do it yet. But I guess they don't have an ItGuy from Sin City tuning it for them [rolleyes]. This guy is the greatest thing that has ever happend to Audi.

I also question the "customer" who is willing to drop a new $50k+ vehicle off in this dude's driveway and have him perform a heart transplant. He must be either very trusting or very naive/rich/stupid.

If this works, then ITguy is a genius and will be hired by one of the big tuning firms. If it fails, we'll likely never hear about it.

Props for trying this, but I'm guessing the build thread will be short and not-so-sweet. Pass the popcorn.

[Brendon1098]

Euro code, more info on this 550wheel horsepower you guys have made and APR if you need a development car again for turbo or anything crazy let me know before I sell it for a Porsche.

[sciblades]

IE will make you custom rods and pistons, just call them up and order them. I already talked to them when i was thinking of doing the turbo build on my s4, i just went to the s6 because it was much less hassle.

Doing the turbo is much harder then you would think ask rai we already looked into it

[mkato13]

Id love to see where the turbo kit goes if it takes off as I too miss the feeling of a turbo vs S/C. Also cant wait to read the Dec/Jan Eurotuner and learn more about Paerishplastic's 550whp

[PaperishPlastic]

Id love to see where the turbo kit goes if it takes off as I too miss the feeling of a turbo vs S/C. Also cant wait to read the Dec/Jan Eurotuner and learn more about Paerishplastic's 550whp

Hey hey hey I never said my car makes 550whp. Michaels car with the 100 shot of nitrous does.

[phillips2024]

wow, 2nd post in and this op is a total prick


...If you have more input you soap box'in MF'er then share, otherwise GTFO of my thread.


"gtfo" out of our section

[mkato13]

Hey hey hey I never said my car makes 550whp. Michaels car with the 100 shot of nitrous does.

My appoligies. I really am not trying to start sh_t. I look forward to reading article no matter what the power level is. Im so tired of reading about cars I'll never afford or BMW's Any article about Audi's work for me.

[itguy]

Hey hey hey I never said my car makes 550whp. Michaels car with the 100 shot of nitrous does.

Anyone can spray nitrous, 100oct, racegas etc and make higher numbers, im strictly speaking 91-93, ill put down over 550whp on 91 with this setup...

Car is manual trans.

E85 should be well over 600.

[itguy]

How about less bringing people down and more mature discussion on how to make this platform faster.

Sounds like heresy, burn him at the stake!

[apexit1]

So how are you planning on tuning the car?

[DLAB]

^ Hire a cryptologist and a programmer. Pay them each 100k to crack and write the programs. Duh!

[itguy]

So how are you planning on tuning the car?

Know enough people in the tuning world to outsource that.

[itguy]

Btw I know this is 3 posts in a row but, I don't care what cars you have. I'm talking about your 15 year old b5 S4 that you can't make anywhere near as much power as our B8 S4's even with your imaginary dyno that you yourself claim makes "390 WHP" so why don't you actually try making that car somewhat fast before your get in over your head with a car much more advanced than you? I think this is a legit question.

You sure seem to care a lot about something to keep posting ;)

[itguy]

We have already achieved in excess of 550WHP on the OEM internals. If you are serious about rods/pistons we can supply you with them. This conversation is a little too in depth for a discussion thread, please feel free to email us at [email protected].

I can appreciate you achieving the claimed numbers however the torque curve from an SC will differ significantly from that of a turbo. In the end, HP is not what breaks rods, its the torque spike when peak boost is achieved. I dont think anyone regardless of the injected concoction has achieved 550WTQ at 4-5k rpm

[itguy]

Btw I know this is 3 posts in a row but, I don't care what cars you have. I'm talking about your 15 year old b5 S4 that you can't make anywhere near as much power as our B8 S4's even with your imaginary dyno that you yourself claim makes "390 WHP" so why don't you actually try making that car somewhat fast before your get in over your head with a car much more advanced than you? I think this is a legit question.

Honestly I really didn't see this squabble going on this long. I am legitimately sorry about my initial reply, I thought you were just being a prick.

[DannyDeez]

See if this guy wasn't such a douche I was going to explain this all to him yesterday and refer them to you guys, and who knows he could've had a set of internals overnighted to him and be on his way with this project. Some people like to do things the hard way. They like to do it the sleazy way.

It would have been nice if you just shared that information in your original post instead of asking the op if he had a B8. Who cares what car he has? This is the B8 S4 forum. Just because the op doesn't have a B8 that doesn't mean that 100 other people reading this thread don't either. Even if you think you're wasting your time on the op, plenty of us could still benefit from your knowledge/info on the subject. We're all here because of a common interest. I have a 3.0 S5 but I check this forum a lot because you guys have more experience with parts/performance with this motor. You never know who you'll be helping out when you make a post.


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[PaperishPlastic]

It would have been nice if you just shared that information in your original post instead of asking the op if he had a B8. Who cares what car he has? This is the B8 S4 forum. Just because the op doesn't have a B8 that doesn't mean that 100 other people reading this thread don't either. Plenty of us could benefit from your knowledge/info on the subject. We're all here because of a common interest. I have a 3.0 S5 but I check this forum a lot because you guys have more experience with parts/performance with this motor. You never know who you'll be helping out when you make a post.

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the reason I asked is because I was posting from my phone and wanted to know whether I should post then or when I got home. I hate typing on my phone, but I like browsing on it.

[itguy]

the reason I asked is because I was posting from my phone and wanted to know whether I should post then or when I got home. I hate typing on my phone, but I like browsing on it.

Would be cool next time if you added that info :D

[Can_I_Haz?]

Know enough people in the tuning world to outsource that.

The ecu in the 2013 hasn't been cracked. APR, GAIC and Revo all all on a mad dash to get a tune on the market. Its a band new ECU. Also, getting a custom tune which will be required with a turbo wont be easy. You basically would have to pay one of these three companies to do it which would either require transporting the car or flying out one of their tuners assuming they would even entertain that option. Like I said earlier, making a sheet metal intake manifold and slapping on a turbo or 2 is the easy part. The tuning solution is where you really need to spend your time researching.

Good luck with a stand alone with a heavily integrated ecu in modern cars. They usually only make sense on pre-obd2 cars or track/weekend warrior cars.

IMHO I'd love to see it done but its possible your customer and to some extent you yourself probably have no idea what all the options are or what it's going to take. That's why everyone jumped all over your thread.
You either a) dont have a complete picture on what its going to take and making dangerous assumptions or the very unlikely b) a gifted tuner with 50k in tools, lifts, etc at your shop and access to a 4 wheel dyno with a customer who has 20 grand burning a hole in his pocket and can leave the car with you for a few months while you get it sorted.

That's what its going to take if you want to be the first to do something.

[Kay15]

I like where this is going.. So hold up.. I shouldnt look to buy another car ahah?

[itguy]

The ecu in the 2013 hasn't been cracked. APR, GAIC and Revo all all on a mad dash to get a tune on the market. Its a band new ECU. Also, getting a custom tune which will be required with a turbo wont be easy. You basically would have to pay one of these three companies to do it which would either require transporting the car or flying out one of their tuners assuming they would even entertain that option. Like I said earlier, making a sheet metal intake manifold and slapping on a turbo or 2 is the easy part. The tuning solution is where you really need to spend your time researching.

Good luck with a stand alone with a heavily integrated ecu in modern cars. They usually only make sense on pre-obd2 cars or track/weekend warrior cars.

IMHO I'd love to see it done but its possible your customer and to some extent you yourself probably have no idea what all the options are or what it's going to take. That's why everyone jumped all over your thread.
You either a) dont have a complete picture on what its going to take and making dangerous assumptions or the very unlikely b) a gifted tuner with 50k in tools, lifts, etc at your shop and access to a 4 wheel dyno with a customer who has 20 grand burning a hole in his pocket and can leave the car with you for a few months while you get it sorted.

That's what its going to take if you want to be the first to do something.

The car is owned by a shop owner. We have the time and $ to throw at this so if there isn't a tune in 6-12 months, we wont be walking home. You are right though, the tune will be the hardest part.

[ENV²]

Now that it seems this conversation has gone in a better direction I am in to hear the progress ITGuy makes (if any) I hope something does work out for this customer but IMO would it not be easier to build a stroked 2.0T and achieve the HP numbers you want at a lower cost? Or shoehorn the TTRS motor into the S4 and make a truly unique and easy to modify project?

IMO I would take the TTRS heart transplant route. It seems to just make more sense. Pair it up to our tru quattro systems and then throw a Stage 3 full kit on and BAM there you go. I am sure its not that easy but may be easier than putting a turbo on our cars and trying to hack this ECU. Another option (not sure if it fits) is to put a new gen S6 motor in there but I think cost would be astronomical for that motor unless you find one that someone already wrecked. I give it a month or 2 before one gets smashed up.

[apexit1]

As a forth tuning option there is a shop in NJ who has cracked the pre-facelift ecu. They haven't officially made an announcement on the forums but there are a handful of guys running their tunes and pullies. Forget the name, I'm sure a quick search would get you that.

[richib86]

ASP
As a forth tuning option there is a shop in NJ who has cracked the pre-facelift ecu. They haven't officially made an announcement on the forums but there are a handful of guys running their tunes and pullies. Forget the name, I'm sure a quick search would get you that.

[ENV²]

ASP

Any news on whther they are making more power than APR setup and if it is safer etc? Or are they custom tuning each individual vehicle?

[AudiA4_20T]

FWIW there is almost 0 room for a turbo. They did move the secondary firewall back a bit in the middle but the heater core among other things make it a bitch. Finding room for intercooler piping will be a nightmare. However, when there is $$$ there is a way

[AudiA4_20T]

The ecu in the 2013 hasn't been cracked. APR, GAIC and Revo all all on a mad dash to get a tune on the market. Its a band new ECU. Also, getting a custom tune which will be required with a turbo wont be easy. You basically would have to pay one of these three companies to do it which would either require transporting the car or flying out one of their tuners assuming they would even entertain that option. Like I said earlier, making a sheet metal intake manifold and slapping on a turbo or 2 is the easy part. The tuning solution is where you really need to spend your time researching.

Good luck with a stand alone with a heavily integrated ecu in modern cars. They usually only make sense on pre-obd2 cars or track/weekend warrior cars.

IMHO I'd love to see it done but its possible your customer and to some extent you yourself probably have no idea what all the options are or what it's going to take. That's why everyone jumped all over your thread.
You either a) dont have a complete picture on what its going to take and making dangerous assumptions or the very unlikely b) a gifted tuner with 50k in tools, lifts, etc at your shop and access to a 4 wheel dyno with a customer who has 20 grand burning a hole in his pocket and can leave the car with you for a few months while you get it sorted.

That's what its going to take if you want to be the first to do something.

You act like these 3 companies are the one's who actually "cracked" it, don't believe everything you read

[wwhan]

Audi seems to optimize engines in a modular fashion. I wonder if the pistons and rods from the new 4.0T S6 would work on the S4 3.0T? They are the same bore and stroke plus close on static compression - 0.5L/cylinder. Maybe the 4.0T S8, but it has lower static compression, to allow more boost.

4.0T V8, Engine Specifications
Arrangement Front mounted, longitudinal
Bore 3.33 in. [84.5 mm]
Stroke 3.50 in. [89.0 mm]
Type 4.0-liter turbocharged, DOHC V8 gasoline engine with Audi FSI® direct injection and Audi valvelift system
Displacement 4.0 liter [243.6 cu in., 3993 cc]
Fuel Requirement Premium unleaded
Compression Ratio 10.1:1
Horsepower 420 hp @ 5500 rpm
Torque 406 lb-ft @ 1400 rpm

3.0T, V6, Engine Specifications
Arrangement Front Mounted - Longitudinal
Bore 3.33 in. [84.5 mm]
Stroke 3.50 in. [89 mm]
Type 3.0 liter supercharged, DOHC V6 gasoline engine with dual intercoolers, FSI direct injection and variable valve timing
Displacement 3.0 liter [182.8 cu. in. 2995 cc]
Fuel Requirement Premium unleaded
Compression Ratio 10:3:1
Horsepower 333hp @ 5500 rpm
Torque 325 lb-ft. @ 2900 rpm

4.0T S8 Engine Specifications
Arrangement Front mounted, longitudinal
Bore 3.33 in. [84.5 mm]
Stroke 3.51 in [89.5 mm]
Type 4.0 liter DOHC V8 with FSI® direct injection, variable intake valve timing and intake manifold
Displacement 4.0 liter [243.6 cu in, 3991 cc]
Fuel Requirement Premium unleaded
Compression Ratio 9.3:1
Horsepower 520 hp @ 6000 rpm
Torque 481 lb-ft. @ 5500 rpm

[Can_I_Haz?]

You act like these 3 companies are the one's who actually "cracked" it, don't believe everything you read

No I said they are all trying and have publicly stated they were. There are other software tuning companies out there and I won't be surprised if more are trying. IMHO never believe what you read, especially on a forum without backup from multiple sources. Don't take anything I say as 100% fact. You dont know me, my sources, or my experience. Multiple sources doesn't mean multiple threads either, I mean pick up the phone, call around, find people in the same situation, etc. Group think runs rampant on internet forums. It's human nature.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink

[Can_I_Haz?]

FWIW there is almost 0 room for a turbo. They did move the secondary firewall back a bit in the middle but the heater core among other things make it a bitch. Finding room for intercooler piping will be a nightmare. However, when there is $$$ there is a way

I've tuned a vette with twins in the rear quarter panels. I've personally seen a Camaro and 350z with turbo's near the muffler. may not be optimal but like you said money talks, bullshit walks.

[FITZ TITS]

TTRS Transplant sounds like the best option thus far.

[skiracerblah]

Think its time to think about a standalone ECU....

These are popular in the Import world. not so sure about the Euro world
http://www.aemelectronics.com/engine-management-systems-9/infinity-stand-alone-programmable-engine-management-system-90/

http://www.aemelectronics.com/engine-management-systems-9/series-2-plug-play-engine-management-system-30/

http://www.motec.com/m800/m800overview/

If you got a lot of money to blow, Pectel ECU by Cosworth http://americas.cosworth.com/products/motorsport/control-systems/engine-control-units/pectel-eq9/

[apexit1]

I assume one doesnt buy an S4 and then want to deal with any CELs. I'm currently look into motor mounts. Our freaking motor mounts have a sensor that if left disconnected will give a CEL. The car would probably implode if you went with a stand alone system from all the lights

[skiracerblah]

I assume one doesnt buy an S4 and then want to deal with any CELs. I'm currently look into motor mounts. Our freaking motor mounts have a sensor that if left disconnected will give a CEL. The car would probably implode if you went with a stand alone system from all the lights


I know some Evo guys whom changed their Check Engine lights into a shift light when they're running AEM EMS [wrench]

[itguy]

As a forth tuning option there is a shop in NJ who has cracked the pre-facelift ecu. They haven't officially made an announcement on the forums but there are a handful of guys running their tunes and pullies. Forget the name, I'm sure a quick search would get you that.

Been in contact with these guys, building some intercoolers for a few of their rs6 cars. Forget the tuners official name but something like sst or ss tuning, JFonz knows the guy so we are in prelim talks.

[Can_I_Haz?]

Been in contact with these guys, building some intercoolers for a few of their rs6 cars. Forget the tuners official name but something like sst or ss tuning, JFonz knows the guy so we are in prelim talks.

Dude sounds like its gonna happen. You should start a new build thread for all of us to subscribe to once the project starts.

[steve0827]

Paperish, care to pm me about this 550whp B8 S4 on stock internals?

[Brendon1098]

You act like these 3 companies are the one's who actually "cracked" it, don't believe everything you read


Lol wut?