REVO technik and STaSIS are merging!

[yungcotter]

Saw this earlier in the B8 S4 section and thought I would post here too. Never saw or thought about this if any thing I would have thought APR might have bought stasis Out

revotechnik.com/ (http://www.revotechnik.com/)



Daventry, Northamptonshire (March 26, 2012)—Respected automotive software provider REVO Technik announced today the intent to merge its global operations with leading US Audi tuning brand STaSIS. The move will integrate Revo Technik into the American company’s performance technology group, extending its market leadership in braking, suspension, driveline, and engine products to include the finest engine calibration software in the industry. The new multinational organization will deliver performance products through an established network of more than 550 dealerships and independent performance centres in more than 35 countries, reaching Audi and Volkswagen enthusiasts around the world.

Revo Technik, a Daventry, UK-based company that develops performance software products for Volkswagen Group and Porsche vehicles—including Audi, Volkswagen, Seat and Skoda models—brings a proficiency in engine performance software and accessories to the mix that will expand the breadth and quality of STaSIS technology and engineering and allow the company to deliver a broader and more robust product offering. On-track engineering and test centres in both the U.S. and the UK will speed product development and testing, and the European location will improve access to the most current and high-end vehicle models.

STaSIS, based in West Virginia, USA, has an enviable reputation for creating holistic, engineering-led solutions for almost the entire range of Audi cars. In its native America, STaSIS’ market standing and exceptional level of finish, detail and ability mean that it now offers turn-key cars through many franchised Audi dealerships, allowing drivers to truly create an individual, tailored vehicle, with full dealer back-up and support, via its ‘Signature Series’.

“STaSIS and Revo have a common vision—to deliver exceptionally integrated software and hardware products that push the limits of performance and empower enthusiasts around the world,” said Paul Lambert, president and CEO of STaSIS. “Bringing the technologically elite Revo staff on board creates a unique and synergistic mix of racing, OEM supply, and engineering experience that will enable STaSIS to drive our product portfolio to the next level.

“This acquisition is part of the continuing evolution and improvement of our product line, and extends the strategic consolidation of the Volkswagen Group aftermarket that started with our acquisition of Eurojet last year,” said Todd Cope, CFO of STaSIS. “STaSIS now has the most capability and broadest geographic reach of any performance company in the Volkswagen Group space.”

As leaders in their fields, both STaSIS and Revo Technik pride themselves in producing the best performance products on the market. The Revo team has considerable expertise in engine control unit (ECU) software development, programming, and performance car tuning, offering products widely considered to be the most advanced tuning software available. Revo also provides technical support to a number of race teams across the globe, competing in series such as the Targa Tasmania Challenge, U.S. World Challenge, and SCCA race series. In June 2011, Revo joined forces with Skoda UK, offering technical support and calibration that enabled Team Skoda to set a new land speed record at Bonneville Salt Flats, Utah, and win the title of the fastest Skoda in the world. Revo’s ability to provide engine calibrations in the face of extreme climate challenges at Salt Flats reinforces its pedigree as the world’s premier Volkswagen Group vehicle performance enhancement specialist.

“Joining forces with STaSIS blends the power of our engine tuning solution with the best performance hardware in the business,” said James Leng, Chairman, Revo Group Companies. “Together, we can deliver an unbeatable performance advantage to customers across the globe.”

During the week of March 19, 2012, STaSIS and Revo released the first products of their relationship, unveiling the European edition STaSIS S4 and STaSIS S5 signature vehicles to media at the famed Nürburgring race track in Nürburg, Germany, and provided European dealers a personal experience with the new vehicles at the companies Bruntingthorpe Proving Ground test track facility in England.

[Operator]

Smart move for Revo. And to a point STASIS.

[Firefox250]

Maybe thats where Revo got its KO4. Maybe Revo/Stasis can build a better stage 3 set up for our B7's than a K04

[Flexcj5]

Could be very good for the VAG community as a whole.

[Operator]

Sadly the B8 S4 forum, has already allowed the thred to spiral into a bash on Revo thread......... I'm not even a Revo fan, and it's sad to see how things constantly turn out over there.

[yungcotter]

Yea its bad over there your ether with Revo or against them no in between. But is is entertaining them going back and fourth

[reggaemylitis]

They're just lashing out because they can't get over the fact that the B8s look more like a BMW than any car Audi has ever made! [;)]

[marty was here]

They're just lashing out because they can't get over the fact that the B8s look more like a BMW than any car Audi has ever made! [;)]

LOL wut?

[reggaemylitis]

That's just the first thing I thought when I saw the B8 lineup. The rear and side lines look like a BMW to me. Am I the only one that sees that?

http://www.audiworld.com/news/07/b8-s4-exclusive-preview/header2.jpg

http://bmwden.com/wp-content/uploads/bmw3.jpg

[DRAKLORE]

There's a couple articles Revo has posted on facebook.

[swoardrider]

Saw this earlier in the B8 S4 section and thought I would post here too. Never saw or thought about this if any thing I would have thought APR might have bought stasis Out

revotechnik.com/ (http://www.revotechnik.com/)

Sounds like a long, drawn out way of saying Stasis has switched from using GIAC to Revo.

[ericpaulyoung]

Maybe thats where Revo got its KO4. Maybe Revo/Stasis can build a better stage 3 set up for our B7's than a K04


Opposite, it is where STASIS is getting there turbo.
http://www.stasisengineering.com/products/engine-hardware/turbo-20-a3a4a5q5tt

Contacted them today, and they said they cannot comment yet. I am hopeful to see more in the way of the UK development stuff from REVO over here state side.
- Eric

[Arin@APR]

I would have thought APR might have bought stasis Out

What would we buy out?

[ignus99]

Please make a stage 3 tune for BT that you can release now!!! bahaha
*gripe gripe gripe*

[swoardrider]

Opposite, it is where STASIS is getting there turbo.
http://www.stasisengineering.com/products/engine-hardware/turbo-20-a3a4a5q5tt

Contacted them today, and they said they cannot comment yet. I am hopeful to see more in the way of the UK development stuff from REVO over here state side.
- Eric

It's where Stasis will be getting there K04 for the TFSI platform. The Stasis K04 for our FSI motor comes from Mahle.

[ericpaulyoung]

It's where Stasis will be getting there K04 for the TFSI platform. The Stasis K04 for our FSI motor comes from Mahle.

They are both following what APR developed some years back, with a machined casing to remove the baffle and the direct mount diverter valve. That is not a bad thing, this is the way to go. As for the TSI vs FSI turbos; I suggest we get over the "difficulty" of installing a new motor mount, and only use the S3 K04 as finished by APR (or now REVO and STASIS). This is a great turbo for our 2.0, and is just as appropriate for the TSI or FSI platform. APR's spring sale is on right now, and I know where my tax return is going!! ;-) Golf R setup on my A4 mmm-mmm good.
http://www.goapr.com/products/turbo_trans20t_k04.html

- Eric

[pharph]

I've had REVO on my old car and I have APR on my current vehicle. Both are excellent. Personally, I think this is a good move for both REVO and STASiS.

[ericpaulyoung]

They are all top notch shops. Regardless of all the speculation and in-fighting that happens on the forums, I doubt you would be unhappy with work from any of these high quality companies.
- Eric

[yungcotter]

What would we buy out?

I dont know exactly but i thought it would be something like using it to get full package apr cars into show rooms as turn key cars already APR'ified

[Arin@APR]

I dont know exactly but i thought it would be something like using it to get full package apr cars into show rooms as turn key cars already APR'ified

Well, for us to really look into buying a company like the one you mention we'd want to make sure they have real tangible assets, and from our analysis, they don't. Everything is rebranded from third party venders, they don't have machinery and equipment or any proprietary information we find of any value. Perhaps the only asset they own is some assemblance of a name and clients who resell their products.

As for fully loaded APR cars on the dealer lot, it's something some of our dealers currently do, however it was never played up to the degree others chose. Nothing's really stopping us from initiating a similar program if we feel it would be profitable and beneficial to our customers.

[Charles.waite]

They are both following what APR developed some years back, with a machined casing to remove the baffle and the direct mount diverter valve. That is not a bad thing, this is the way to go. As for the TSI vs FSI turbos; I suggest we get over the "difficulty" of installing a new motor mount, and only use the S3 K04 as finished by APR (or now REVO and STASIS). This is a great turbo for our 2.0, and is just as appropriate for the TSI or FSI platform. APR's spring sale is on right now, and I know where my tax return is going!! ;-) Golf R setup on my A4 mmm-mmm good.
http://www.goapr.com/products/turbo_trans20t_k04.html

- Eric

The K04 is a shitty turbo and you know it!!!!








TROLOLOLOLOL! [>_<]

[italia8287]

so does this mean my revo tuned car is not voiding my warranty anymore??

[ericpaulyoung]

As for fully loaded APR cars on the dealer lot, it's something some of our dealers currently do, however it was never played up to the degree others chose. Nothing's really stopping us from initiating a similar program if we feel it would be profitable and beneficial to our customers.

I would totally buy an off the floor APR Stage III A4 with a factory warranty!
!

- Eric

[Arin@APR]

I would totally buy an off the floor APR Stage III A4 with a factory warranty!
!

- Eric

Wouldn't we all?

No company in the US offers a factory Audi warranty with any modifications, including an upgraded air filter.

[marty was here]

That's just the first thing I thought when I saw the B8 lineup. The rear and side lines look like a BMW to me. Am I the only one that sees that?

http://www.audiworld.com/news/07/b8-s4-exclusive-preview/header2.jpg

http://bmwden.com/wp-content/uploads/bmw3.jpg

no you are right, they both have bumpers, trunks, and led tail lights, you are right, they are the same

[jibatnes]

This hopefully will benefit us Europeans as well, nothing is offered over here yet.

http://www.easier.com/101012-revo-stasis-performance-products.html

[swoardrider]

They are both following what APR developed some years back, with a machined casing to remove the baffle and the direct mount diverter valve. That is not a bad thing, this is the way to go. As for the TSI vs FSI turbos; I suggest we get over the "difficulty" of installing a new motor mount, and only use the S3 K04 as finished by APR (or now REVO and STASIS). This is a great turbo for our 2.0, and is just as appropriate for the TSI or FSI platform. APR's spring sale is on right now, and I know where my tax return is going!! ;-) Golf R setup on my A4 mmm-mmm good.
http://www.goapr.com/products/turbo_trans20t_k04.html

- Eric

Not sure what Mahle did to the K04 to make it work, and I will not speculate, as the only way to know is to dissect one. Prior to the release of the S3 K04, the Mahle/Stasis/GIAC K04 was the only longitudinal one that ran worth a shit. The first gen APR one was a joke. To my knowledge, the Stasis/Mahle K04 is still the only one I have seen that has run 300AWHP on 100oct on a Mustang dyno.

Yes, you can run the same turbo on an FSI or TFSI, but fueling and tune are way different. Yes you can run a transverse K04 on a longitudinal engine and visa versa, but why? Companies already modify the S3 K04 to fit the A4. So my question to you Eric, is why do you want to try and keep re-inventing the wheel? Please enlighten me as to why you would want to run the APR Golf-R K04 over the APR A4 K04, when you are limited to running the A4 software anyways?

[Arin@APR]

Not sure what Mahle did to the K04 to make it work, and I will not speculate, as the only way to know is to dissect one. Prior to the release of the S3 K04, the Mahle/Stasis/GIAC K04 was the only longitudinal one that ran worth a shit. The first gen APR one was a joke. To my knowledge, the Stasis/Mahle K04 is still the only one I have seen that has run 300AWHP on 100oct on a Mustang dyno.

Yes, you can run the same turbo on an FSI or TFSI, but fueling and tune are way different. Yes you can run a transverse K04 on a longitudinal engine and visa versa, but why? Companies already modify the S3 K04 to fit the A4. So my question to you Eric, is why do you want to try and keep re-inventing the wheel? Please enlighten me as to why you would want to run the APR Golf-R K04 over the APR A4 K04, when you are limited to running the A4 software anyways?

Just an FYI, Mahle did not improve the k04, that's marketing because the name sounds good. It uses the same compressor and turbine wheels as all the other K04 kits out there, which are all using the OEM Audi/VW S/R model turbo parts. It's no more powerful than any other and without and upgraded HPFP, cannot achieve the same peak numbers as any other kit.

[ericpaulyoung]

Yes, you can run the same turbo on an FSI or TFSI, but fueling and tune are way different. Yes you can run a transverse K04 on a longitudinal engine and visa versa, but why? Companies already modify the S3 K04 to fit the A4. So my question to you Eric, is why do you want to try and keep re-inventing the wheel? Please enlighten me as to why you would want to run the APR Golf-R K04 over the APR A4 K04, when you are limited to running the A4 software anyways?

Fair question. The hybrid turbos with the S3 K04 internals stuffed into a K03 are fine, but I just like the idea of having the casing that was engineered for the internals all in one package from the factory.

There is no big effort to run a transverse K04 on a longitudinal platform. I never understood how people though it was easy to do all the other modifications, but think replacing a $145 motor mount on the right side of the engine was hard and reinventing the wheel. I wasn't trying to insert any confusion with the hardware choice of mine, I just really like it, but that is not to say that I ever was contemplating trying to upload the wrong software onto my ECU. The tune that I am going to run is the off the shelf APR 100 oct file for the B7 A4 2.0TFSI, and this is paired with the S3 K04 version that APR has finished the machine work for the baffle removal and direct DV placement. Nothing more than just a choice of what I would like to use for my build. It isn't any stranger than deciding on a KOR with Uni software, vs a KOR with Meastro; just a choice of what you would like to build. The work APR does on these cases makes them (in my opinion) how they should have been built from the beginning. If you haven't checked out what they do to the case, you should; it is pretty cool.
http://www.goapr.com/media/videos/D69781F1EAEF5601/PLCoH74TbeZ32kvsB6XOXd_dAH98JsT1vA/

- Eric

[iin10ded]

Everything is rebranded from third party venders

<ahem> you mean like carbonio, brembo, tvs, corsa.. etc? Maybe i'm talking out of turn here but i would imagine that outside of your software [and kudos where it's deserved] all of your hard parts are 3rd partied?

people in glass houses and alla that..

[Charles.waite]

<ahem> you mean like carbonio, brembo, tvs, corsa.. etc? Maybe i'm talking out of turn here but i would imagine that outside of your software [and kudos where it's deserved] all of your hard parts are 3rd partied?

people in glass houses and alla that..

APR doesn't pretend that APR makes the Carbonio. They Label it as Carbonio. Stasis would rebrand it as a Stasis Carbon Fiber intake and charge more. Thats all he was saying. Stasis doesn't really produce anything. Including their suspensions, they're just rebranded other people's suspensions (revalved too, which means they at least put some engineering hours into it). Not knocking on Stasis, but they rely heavily on others to produce products so they can rebrand and charge a premium based on their name.

Every company coopts designs or rebrands others works at some point, thats just normal. Stasis just likes to pretend they don't more often than not.

[Arin@APR]

<ahem> you mean like carbonio, brembo, tvs, corsa.. etc? Maybe i'm talking out of turn here but i would imagine that outside of your software [and kudos where it's deserved] all of your hard parts are 3rd partied?

people in glass houses and alla that..

Almost all of our products are made in house or are exclusive through another provider (ie, intakes = carbonio. Exhaust RSC technology is exclusive in the VW/Audi world to APR). We don't own a foundry so we don't cast our manifolds, they are made in the USA and machined in house. We really have no plans to make our own onside carbon fiber manufacturing facility either. Other parts are machined right in house on the 3 CNC machines we own and are prototyped on our in house SLA. This stuff is all developed by our 12 engineers in house too. They spec it out in pro engineer and send the machined mandrels out to casting facilities. All software is 100% made in house down to the tools that log, calibrate, and interface with the ECUs.

Point being, we do almost everything in house. Not so much the other way around. We really don't depend on other people. :)

[RevoTechnik-GM]

so does this mean my revo tuned car is not voiding my warranty anymore??

For The Record...there are NO tunes that are voiding warranties.

[[email protected]]

Not that I want to really enter this discuss, but every "tuner" out there relies on other suppliers/manufacturers. No one who makes a turbo kit produces there own turbos complete in house, nor manifolds, gaskets, injectors, etc. Doesn't seem like either STaSIS or APR makes their own exhaust in house. Manifolds, intercoolers, injectors, silicone hoses, calipers, rotors, dampers etc are all produced elsewhere and are designed in house by a company who needs them.

STaSIS, who also doesn't have a foundry, takes calipers produced by Alcon which have recently had the STaSIS logo cast into them, and someone has to engineer the brackets, hats, spec the brake hoses, etc to make the kit. APR takes a TVS supercharger and engineers/produces machined parts to make it work as a kit for an S5 or RS4, plus adds in items from other manufacturers. So without the work that APR or STaSIS does on these kits none of this product would fit an Audi. It's obvious that Alcon makes STaSIS's calipers and rotors, they don't hide that fact, nor that Ohlins makes their dampers, but we keep hearing that STaSIS hides who supplies some of their items. It's a big stretch to say STaSIS just rebrands, APR has similar ties to companies who produce for them and both of them can easily get hung up by their manufacturers or vendors who supply them items for kits or whole product like exhausts.

Only thing that seems to have been kept quiet was as to who the supplier was that APR did STaSIS's software for the Signature Series program. Who knows what the agreement or arrangements was with that, even if STaSIS was allowed to state it or if they requested APR not state it, only they would know. Oddly though if STaSIS has had any warranty issues with engines/turbos/etc over the last few years caused by software it was actually APR's software that did it, but STaSIS stood behind APR's software with a full concurrent warranty.

This is all common practice in this field and it's common in so many other fields to have a mix of items that are manufactured elsewhere to make a kit. This discussion gets tiresome and it's surprising that APR has even resorted to it now. APR has to rely on vendors as much as STaSIS does to get their product out the door. It's great that APR CNC's in house and produces supporting parts themselves. Hell it's great they produce kits and design items to make other manufacturers parts fit, but it's the same thing. STaSIS items, the Alcon and Ohlins kits are great and they use products from other manufacturers that wouldn't work with their engineered and designed items. The end product is what matters and so much weight has been put on STaSIS's reputation concerning finances, who they source parts from to make kits, warranty confusion even though STaSIS specifically states they provide a concurrent warranty, etc and less is said about the fact that the product is good and unique. Just like APR's product, it's unique and appears to have a lot of happy users.

[Operator]

Wow, an insightful post without bashing or being biased!!!!!! I like it!!!!

[Arin@APR]

APR has to rely on vendors as much as STaSIS does to get their product out the door.

I'm sorry Alex, but I do have to stand up and say this is entirely not true to very extreme levels.

[[email protected]]

Arin- You have to admit you have had delays on product moving out because of your suppliers or companies you contract to do work have delayed you. I remember seeing delays concerning exhausts and tips. Delays on coating supercharger pullies. Probably others but not in recent memory, nor do I really watch for it. If Carbonio, Brembo, TVS, Bosch, Borg Warner, Corsa (or whomever actually builds your exhausts), your foundry, whoever makes your intercooler cores, electric pumps for supercharger cooling, etc is behind or delayed so are your products/kits. Your software can go out any time and I'm not saying you guys don't do a good job on your product/kits, but you have to be honest that your items could easily get hung up by companies you use as suppliers and manufacturers.

[Arin@APR]

Arin- You have to admit you have had delays on product moving out because of your suppliers or companies you contract to do work have delayed you. I remember seeing delays concerning exhausts and tips. Delays on coating supercharger pullies. Probably others but not in recent memory, nor do I really watch for it. If Carbonio, Brembo, TVS, Bosch, Borg Warner, Corsa (or whomever actually builds your exhausts), your foundry, whoever makes your intercooler cores, electric pumps for supercharger cooling, etc is behind or delayed so are your products/kits. Your software can go out any time and I'm not saying you guys don't do a good job on your product/kits, but you have to be honest that your items could easily get hung up by companies you use as suppliers and manufacturers.

Alex, I think you're missing the point. APR Designs, develops and manufactures almost everything in house. That's not true for the other guys. Honestly, take a tour of APR and the other place and you'll clearly see this is true. Heck, don't bother with a tour, just ask for photos.

[swoardrider]

Thanks for posting this Alex, it saves me the trouble of typing a long-ass rebuttal to Arin's crazy statement. I'm not going to stand up and say Stasis is better or worse than APR. Both companies I have a love/hate relationship with, because they have f^*ked me, one way or another over the years, but have also taken care of me in other ways.

Arin, you are claiming that APR is different than Stasis. Just because you have a few more engineers, and an in-house machine shop, doesn't qualify APR's business as being run "unique" to other tuners. Just about every tuner for VAG sources some parts, designs some parts, and manufactures some parts. Guess what? Audi also designs some parts, sources some parts, and manufactures some parts. So are you going to claim that they are not auto makers simply because they do not make and design every single part in-house??

APR exhaust = Billy Boat
APR brakes = Brembo
APR turbo = BW & Garrett

APR, Stasis, AWE, etc, are all designers, re-branders, and once in a blue moon innovators. When you guys start separating yourselves from the pack in the aftermarket auto industry (like Apple did in the computer industry) then you can make all claims you want. Until then, APR is no better and no worse than anyone else.

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Arin- You are missing my point as well or trying to run around it without agreeing. You can easily get hung up on getting your kits out or product you resell because of the manufacturer who makes them.

From my time at STaSIS everything that was needed for a brake kit, except caliper and rotor, were designed by STaSIS. Same went with Ohlins suspension, a whole slew of parts were designed by STaSIS to make those fit Audis. Koni produced dampers which were specifically spec'd out by STaSIS. Parts for the 2.0t engine kit were developed in house. There was plenty going on that involved engineers at STaSIS designing items. It would have been very nice if STaSIS had a CNC machine, or three like you, as sometimes I had to wait on the machine shop who produced the items STaSIS engineered in house to come in so I could sell kits. This is the same as APR designing a manifold and waiting on the foundry to make it so you can sell a turbo kit that uses parts for a variety of manufacturers with your software.

I know that you have more in house equipment than STaSIS. It does not change the fact however that for a huge list of your items you need outside manufacturers to produce, supply or otherwise supplement your product to make it a kit or to make it work at all. I get your point, you say you have more engineers and do more in house manufacturing. Still doesn't negate the fact that I stated above, you can get quickly hung up by outside suppliers, manufacturers or service providers. You rely on those folks to help you get product out that may or may not include items you made in house.

This isn't to hate on APR at all, just to counter what you said above a bit and maybe get people to realize it isn't just one evil company, STaSIS, that uses other manufacturers for items in their kits. Many of your product users like to state this and say that STaSIS doesn't do anything at all, but it's not true. Regardless of how you feel about STaSIS they do design product and items they don't they have input in the design of the product. I know the R8 V10 supercharger kit was built on a car that was from someone who was with STaSIS and now that kit is exclusively sold through STaSIS, can't buy direct from VF last I heard.

Either way, hopefully the new STaSIS/Revo partnership works out and you all continue to make good product.

[tylerS]

All software is 100% made in house

lol

[DRAKLORE]

This is rediculous, it's not some pissing contest here. I look at APR and REVO as two totally different companies. I really don't care where the parts come from, it's about the end result. And Arin it's great that you do all this in house stuff, but clearly that effects end pricing... And I'll try to Leave it at that... Revo has been for the most part a software oriented company (in my mind) and a damn good
One at that. No offense but I have yet to see a APR tune out perform a Revo tune...

I think that this is an awesome venture for Revo, and also Stasis. As
Long as stasis can continue to "outsource" their prices will be very competitive.
Honestly I have had a sour taste in my mouth when I learned my BT couldnt be tuned by the same company that gave me such an awesome 2+ car.
But in reality I've been turned off from APR products and software without ever purchasing any, probably because of sticker shock... Most of the time I find myself reading posts from APR guys and remember why Mike@Vast won't let Andy post on here lmao (just kidding Andy ;-P)

Let's keep this threa about Revo and Stasis, and let the products do the talking

[Charles.waite]

Apple uses LOTS of products they don't create for very good reasons. Intel Processors, Samsung/Toshiba SSDs, Samsung/Micron Memory, I could go on. The one notable exception is the A5 processor, but they bought a ARM design house to get their design expertise to create that proce

Why do APR and Stasis need to create their own dampers from scratch just to be different when KONI can make them to spec. I get the idea that Apple is an innovator, and I wholeheartedly agree, but in the software space and UI space, NOT in the manufacturing space (EXCEPT for their unibody construction methods which ARE groundbreaking). It would be ridiculous for tuners these days to be fabricating and entire turbo from scratch, or CNC'ing a damper from scratch (though that would be awesome). They would go broke reinventing the wheel when they could be leveraging companies who have decades of expertise and be getting a superior product for cheaper than they could ever have gotten had they created the product ENTIRELY in house. A lot of what tuners do is "packaging" and taking a universal product, and tailoring it to the specific needs of a market. In this case the VAG tuning community.

People are getting WAY too worked up about this. Just because a company doesn't design or create EVERYTHING in house, doesn't make them inferior to others who do. [rolleyes]

[Arin@APR]

People are getting WAY too worked up about this.

I agree. This thread was started with the opening post saying "I would have thought APR might have bought stasis Out", and I'll stand by my original comments.


Well, for us to really look into buying a company like the one you mention we'd want to make sure they have real tangible assets, and from our analysis, they don't. Everything is rebranded from third party venders, they don't have machinery and equipment or any proprietary information we find of any value. Perhaps the only asset they own is some assemblance of a name and clients who resell their products.

[Dad A3]

Can anybody out there spell MARKETING?

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Arin- You're sticking by saying everything is rebranded from third party vendors? I guess I'd think better of APR than to try and keep that rumor going. This means Alcon and Ohlins product is rebranded and nothing is designed in house by STaSIS to make those kits? These are really the core product at STaSIS and they require items engineered by STaSIS, nothing is rebranded. You sell Brembo kits and dont make any braking parts in house, but you have your name and logo on parts Brembo designs and makes. Same with Carbonio, it's got an APR logo on it and you don't make it. If it's exclusively made for you it's no different than VF making the R8 V10 supercharger for STaSIS or Koni making dampers to STaSIS specs back in the day or Alcon now making calipers with the STaSIS logo cast in them.

STaSIS has used you and GIAC for software. Someone makes their exhausts for them, someone does for you too. The product in the turbo kits come from same manufacturer as you, minus manifold which you have done elsewhere and finish in house. I'm perplexed at how you stand by a blanket statement that isn't true and your company also does similar things as well. No one from STaSIS has made any disparaging remarks about APR publicly like this.

[DRAKLORE]

http://stasisengineering.com/sites/default/files/images/MainImage/TurboKit.jpg
http://www.avalonmotorsports.com/images/apr_mkv_gti_k04_turbo_kit.jpg

The only
Difference I noticed while searching for these two pics, is the way Stasis rarely throws a large stamp
Or badge on their pics, but when they do its discreet 99% of the time.
APR on the other hand throw a huge badge over anything they can...
http://www.gmpperformance.com/CFJFiles/GMP/15911_b.jpg
http://www.vividracing.com/catalog/genThumb.php?file=images/aprrearswaybar1.jpg&sizex=250&sizey=200
http://www.goaprch.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/carbonio_intake_b830t_stage_2_kit.jpg
http://www.goapr.com/includes/img/products/ms_intake_manifold2.jpg

Not to get nitpickey, clearly
Marketing plays a large piece in this. But let's just say you throw the APR badge all
Over everything because you feel you play a larger role in the manufacturing process...

I don't know you tell me [confused]

[mdma2004]

Really?...
http://www.weblogsinc.com/common/images/3060000000048180.JPG
Do I need to say more?


That's just the first thing I thought when I saw the B8 lineup. The rear and side lines look like a BMW to me. Am I the only one that sees that?

http://www.audiworld.com/news/07/b8-s4-exclusive-preview/header2.jpg

http://bmwden.com/wp-content/uploads/bmw3.jpg

[Solarsuplex]

I think this is a great move from STaSIS and REVO. They are just stepping their game up..

APR sells exhaust systems and tunes as well as other things. Now so does REVO. Smart move on their part.
I have seen videos and dyno runs of tuned cars from both companies. They are so close that neither is officially better than the other at the lower stages. I think its obvious that apr is not the choice if you are going to go BT unless you want to buy all the of the APR products. But in my opinion, what fun is that? I'd rather do my own research and compile my own list of parts that i think are going to work the way i want. Not to mention with my pricetag. I have not done major research on any of this since i have no plans to go farther than stage 2. But its what ive gathered from reading. I will most likely be going apr stage 2 since achtuning is just down the road for me and they are a respectable APR distrubutor. Everything is just preferance. And about the in house machining and what not, a pipe with some mufflers welded on is a pipe with some mufflers welded on. As long as they werent made by slaves in some sweat shop it works for me.
Its almost like compairing mcdonalds to some fancy dinner resturaunt. Mcdonalds gets allt heir stuff from somewhere else, its cheap, people like it. The fancy place gets all their supplies and does the busy work on their own time raising prices while (possibly not) raising the quality of said product.

tl;dr
hi i like that they are doing this and apr is cool too

[devvan]

It´s not the first time I see Arin jumping in to discussions he should avoid.. These types of inputs from him makes me regret I didnt make the 2,5k mile drive to get GIAC/Revo instead :(

[Charles.waite]

It´s not the first time I see Arin jumping in to discussions he should avoid.. These types of inputs from him makes me regret I didnt make the 2,5k mile drive to get GIAC/Revo instead :(

You don't like seeing a guy defend his company? APR gets a ton of shit on here for many things, but when someone spreads misinformation about a shop I would HOPE they would try to dispell the misinformation...

Of course most of the dudes on here would be like "How come APR isn't on here commenting on this thread" in Arin didn't jump in. As a tuner, you really can't win on AZ. We're a tough crowd.

[jimrobbington]

Tbh, there was no reason for Arin to post in this thread. He sees any thread title about REVO and can't wait for an excuse to barge in and
Promote himself, or to slander REVO.

JR

[grassrootz]

For The Record...there are NO tunes that are voiding warranties.

Wait what!?! Do you want to put this in writing to me and my dealer?

[jimrobbington]

He must have meant there are no tunes that are NOT voiding warranties. Too many negatives in one sentence makes his brain fart.

JR

[RevoTechnik-GM]

Wait what!?! Do you want to put this in writing to me and my dealer?

The comment I was responding to stated:
"so does this mean my revo tuned car is not voiding my warranty anymore?".

The point I was trying to make (in possibly too few of words) was that:
TD1 does not automatically void anyone's warranty,... and TD1 is not targeting a specific brand/manufacturer of aftermarket software/hardware.

[Arin@APR]

Tbh, there was no reason for Arin to post in this thread.

The first post talks about APR.

Let me fix your quote.



Tbh, there are plenty of reasons for Arin to post in this thread.

[BlueHiddenSun]

Tbh, there was no reason for Arin to post in this thread. He sees any thread title about REVO and can't wait for an excuse to barge in and
Promote himself, or to slander REVO.

JR

QFT.... Arin's actions in the last couple of weeks and his extreme unprofessionalism on the forum has made my decision to not support APR.

Arin is out to pick a fight and can't wait to talk down Revo at any chance he gets.

[Charles.waite]

I fail to see how Arin is being unprofessional here. I really do. Please show me where Arin flew off the handle about Revo, or said anything untrue or unfair about Revo. I know APR is "uncool" these days, just like RS4 wheels and tinted tails, but I don't understand the vitriol some of you have towards them.

Revo is a competitor, of course they'll talk down about them. Maybe AZ isn't the best venue for that but Jesus, its not like we're talking Democrat or Republican here. Anyone who "will not support APR" based on this thread was just looking for a reason to validate their bias/preconception.

I don't get why people get so damn passionate about this stuff. I don't stand by Pepsi vending machines screaming at the people buying Pepsi that Coke is better and they're supporting a evil corporation. I find the "which tuner" argument not a whole lot different than that.

But as I said above, anyone deciding to never patronize a company SOLELY based on one representatives actions in a forum, on the internet, its really just looking to justify their bias.

Full disclosure: I have an APR Stage 1 tune. I got it because Achtuning is awesome and they're a vendor for APR and I like the ECMS technology APR has for the B6. I am not an APR fanboy, and I have no interest in their success. I just hate seeing people jump all over them because they're no longer as cool as the next big tuner...

[funky_snowman]

oh look, it's one of THESE threads.

[Charles.waite]

oh look, it's one of THESE threads.

I know. I keep finding my self involved in this crap. Trying to out-troll the trolls. I should probably give it a rest. [:D]

[jimrobbington]

I know. I keep finding my self involved in this crap. Trying to out-troll the trolls. I should probably give it a rest. [:D]

Great use of the word vitriol. It should be used more often in conversation.

I never said he was REVO bashing in this thread, but the topic started as REVO MERGES WITH STASIS, and now it's about how APR is the only company that makes all their own stuff? Who cares?

JR

[camoto]

Great use of the word vitriol. It should be used more often in conversation.

I never said he was REVO bashing in this thread, but the topic started as REVO MERGES WITH STASIS, and now it's about how APR is the only company that makes all their own stuff? Who cares?

JR

Clearly you do given how often you mention them. You give them "Charlie Sheen" notoriety. LOL. (Sorry, JR, I had to do it)

[BlueHiddenSun]

Charles, let me clarify a few things.


I fail to see how Arin is being unprofessional here. I really do. Please show me where Arin flew off the handle about Revo, or said anything untrue or unfair about Revo. I know APR is "uncool" these days, just like RS4 wheels and tinted tails, but I don't understand the vitriol some of you have towards them.

Revo is a competitor, of course they'll talk down about them.

I said "unprofessionalism", I never said he was an uncool, lying, lunatic.

The title states Revo/Stasis and just because the OP makes a reference to APR, Arin sees his open door to come and one up Revo. I understand they are competitors but it gets to the point where it seems like all Arin does is take every opportunity to make Revo seem like they are the worst company on the planet and he acts as though he is superior to other tuners. Yes, it is natural to try and portray being the best in the business, but Arin takes it to the next level of proving to be the king of tuners.


Anyone who "will not support APR" based on this thread was just looking for a reason to validate their bias/preconception.

I am not basing it on this thread alone, and I wouldn't call it so much "bias/preconception" as I would opinion. I understand people can't grasp opinions on an open forum, but it happens... a lot.


I don't stand by Pepsi vending machines screaming at the people buying Pepsi that Coke is better and they're supporting a evil corporation. I find the "which tuner" argument not a whole lot different than that. ...

I agree with you 100% on this, and I am not running through the halls of this forum with a REVO Flag screaming APR SUCKS, but it gets to the point where its the same shit everyday over who is the "best". People are going to pick whatever they want, but my choice to not be APR Tuned is my decision and I don't understand why you take such offense to that.


But as I said above, anyone deciding to never patronize a company SOLELY based on one representatives actions in a forum, on the internet , its really just looking to justify their bias....

Once again, let me explain. I have not based it "SOLELY... on one representatives actions in a forum, on the internet" but a combination of how I have been treated by APR on the phone and at APR dealers along with how Arin portrays his image/company on this forum.

Charles, you shouldn't take my opinion of not wanting to support APR as a personal attack on your decision to use APR.

[funky_snowman]

I know. I keep finding my self involved in this crap. Trying to out-troll the trolls. I should probably give it a rest. [:D]

i don't know, there's really no winning here imo. its too bad because stuff like this drives companies away.

frankly, im just happy that two reputable companies are joining forces, regardless of how their products have previously come into existence. hopefully it leads to better products in the future and more options for the rest of us.

in the end, im a fan of all the companies discussed in this thread.

[Leo14]

Mmmmm why your all crying I don't get, but I <3 my revo tune and I like stassis' products, so good shtuff :D

[DRAKLORE]

I hope my comments don't come
Across as biased? I in reality don't like either company after Revo wouldn't release their website advertised "B7 BT software" after I was a loyal company. IN MY OPINION- I choose to not like APR because I constantly see comments in the other sections from "@APR" and almost constantly it's a rep trying to one up the competition, with very vane and conceited comments. It's not just that (cause me being a VAST "fanboy" would make me a hypocrite[confused]) it's the way they advertise, I feel like you can see a lot in how a company markets themselves.

After going to quite a few shows, APR is always their with their battalion of vehicles, busses, show cases, ect last year sowo they had a whole parking lot seperate for themselves while every other company had a small tent.. It wasn't even a large crowd.

Their badge is always bigger and sometimes posted on everything multiple times. What do they do to the Brembo kits where their badge is three times as big? Or the carbonio? They may have changed it but on a few of the intakes the three letters "APR" encompass the almost sub script carbonio...
And to me, all of this pales in comparison to the rediculous pricing, the rediculous " all our parts, or no
Software" mentality I think of when someone mentions APR... I mean Ive read Arin state how they outsell every tuner in tunes on most/all platforms... So why are the prices still so high? If they are such a baller company than how
Come they need to prove it? Perhaps their getting to big to fast? It must be hard with so much overhead, 12 engineers, 3! CNC machines, big ole apr bus, race team and cars, parts, a tooling facility, Brembo engineers and distribution dept, Carbonio dept, their carbon fiber ovens ect. And the "space age NASA carbon fiber" aeronautical engineers, exhaust Dept, milling, machining dept, and sales... Must be pretty crowded!

I only rant because you said you were justified to
Be here, so I suppose I will give you a reason
To
Stay and defend your comments about how self supportive you guys are. What really set
Me off is how
You managed to
Fit
In a snide comment about how
APR doesn't need a
Company like Stasis... Like its so fucking below you!
Get fucking real
Revo is two
Fucking guys in a office here
In the US and look
What They have done
In the market here... No
Wonder your the way you are!

[Operator]

Be glad you didn't post that in the B8 S4 section...... They'd send out a search party for you!!!

[DRAKLORE]

I know I know lol


Honestly all
Of it is kind of dumb, who really cares who has a bigger tuner penis.

I like anyone who contributes to the Audi community. I just hate how most of the time people are so arrogant or full of themselves.
I am a big fan of Vast but they have a lot of horror stories and piss a lot of people off... But notice they stay the fuck off here and out of the threads. They see the posts trust me, but it's all
Apart of being a company.
People will hate you and some
People will support you. Talking with them they feel
They are company number 1! But you wouldn't get anywhere in the buisness without that mentality.. But clearly there are more tactfully and subtle ways of having that mentality and continuing to realize you are not the boss 100% of the time

[SykoraA4]

off topic. shane, you need a computer with a keyboard. i go half retard pausing at each return!

but on topic. arin could use a little more tact. someone should start an APR appreciation thread so he can post all he wants there and leave threads like these ones alone. if he wanted to address the initial APR mention that would have been fine, to exacerbate beyond that is not necessary and reflects poorly.

[Operator]

off topic. shane, you need a computer with a keyboard.


Recently with the way his post have been configured, it's like a reading version of Tetris. [;)]

But it's all gravy!!

[DRAKLORE]

I hear if
You read
It with a William
Shatner voice it makes it a bit
More
Bearable?


It's actually my damn iPhone lol

[Solarsuplex]

I cant type more than 4 sentances on my phone and just give up. Big [up] to you for manning through the touch screen issues. lol

[devvan]

The first post talks about APR.

Let me fix your quote.

Maybe it is just me being swedish, but your actions lately in this and other threads are considered EXTREMELY unprofessional over here. If this was a swedish community you wouldnt have any costumers. Guess it´s another way of making business "over there"

[DRAKLORE]

I've heard everything is more exspensive in Sweden? I'd hate to know how much they charged you for your tune...

:-)

[devvan]

I've heard everything is more exspensive in Sweden? I'd hate to know how much they charged you for your tune...

:-)

Yes, everything car related is much more expensive in sweden. A new Audi is roughly twice as expensive in Sweden as in the US, then again its like 3x as expensive in Norway so I´m not complaining :)

If I should be polite and stay to topic, I´m really happy about Stasis and Revo joining forces as we might get more cool stuff over here :)