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turbo kraut
03-21-2012, 06:32 PM
I'm hoping to get into the very low 13's to mid 12's at least


quick run down on mods:
gtrs turbo
630cc inj
uni tuned
clutchmasters fx400
test pipe
2.75 exhaust
3in tip
stern street mounts
stern snub
stern left side tranny
stern power ring
fmic


that's all for power i guess or that i can remeber



car's i've beat so far and can remember:
mach1 mustang
grand prix gxp(5.3)
fox body stang w/mods
stage 2 b5 s4
first gen viper
moded talon

DonnieDark0
03-21-2012, 06:36 PM
sounds great man. Got any vids? would love to see this baby in action.

turbo kraut
03-21-2012, 06:38 PM
Going this tue

Seerlah
03-21-2012, 06:47 PM
Best of luck, man.

turbo kraut
03-21-2012, 07:06 PM
Ty

andyrew
03-21-2012, 07:22 PM
What octane and boost? Not sure if your going to break into the 12's unless your running high boost and race gas.

turbo kraut
03-21-2012, 07:29 PM
25psi on 93. I guess I could throw race but not tuned so it'd be a waste

034Motorsport
03-22-2012, 09:36 AM
25psi on 93. I guess I could throw race but not tuned so it'd be a waste

Not a waste, but obviously you won't see anywhere near the full benefit. 93 and 100 ain't that different though.

turbo kraut
03-22-2012, 09:39 AM
Then no point

NeedingAnAudi
03-22-2012, 10:35 AM
car's i've beat so far and can remember:
mach1 mustang
grand prix gxp(5.3)
fox body stang w/mods
stage 2 b5 s4
first gen viper
moded talon

First gen viper?? I'm sorry, I need footage of this before I can believe it.

turbo kraut
03-22-2012, 10:41 AM
1st gen is a mid to high 13 second car. No video though. It was me by myself in my car.

Don Supreme
03-22-2012, 10:41 AM
1st gen viper only made like 450BHP... IIRC

turbo kraut
03-22-2012, 10:48 AM
I googled it afterwards. I was like wtf did I just do. Lol

flynnr
03-22-2012, 10:50 AM
by gtrs, do you mean 2860? if so, you guys are stoooopid lol.

With a good driver, you can run a 12.7's with that setup...

there are a handful of videos of people running great times on elim kits...

I'm not saying its easy, or that you WILL get a number like that, (hell, i ran a high 13 with my setup, but it was my first ever pass, and i didnt launch the car at all), but it is 100% doable to run in the 12's with a 2860.

There is a thread of someone trying to break into the 11's... they hit a 12.3 or something iirc. I will try to find / post it up.

Don Supreme
03-22-2012, 10:53 AM
I vote low 13s............... Its much harder than you think.

In fact, your very first pass will probably in the 14s.

flynnr
03-22-2012, 10:54 AM
Here is a 12.79


http://www.streetfire.net/video/audi2ptzero-driving-gerards-b6-a4-18t-with-a-gt28_26970.htm

and a 12.92


http://www.streetfire.net/video/b6-a4-18t-avant-with-gtrs-elim-kit-racing-a-civic_26966.htm

flynnr
03-22-2012, 10:57 AM
I vote low 13s............... Its much harder than you think.

In fact, your very first pass will probably in the 14s.

My exact guess as well...

turbo kraut
03-22-2012, 12:30 PM
Flynn I mean a gtrs elim. The baby bt. The 350hp rated turbo. Not the disco potato.

flynnr
03-22-2012, 12:35 PM
Meh. Just go out and have fun, nothing to prove. It's all in the launch.

turbo kraut
03-22-2012, 12:44 PM
I know. I'll post times. Good/bad/ugly

M-Hood
03-22-2012, 01:31 PM
Here is a 12.79


http://www.streetfire.net/video/audi2ptzero-driving-gerards-b6-a4-18t-with-a-gt28_26970.htm

and a 12.92


http://www.streetfire.net/video/b6-a4-18t-avant-with-gtrs-elim-kit-racing-a-civic_26966.htm

The Fastest B5 A4 1.8t with Elim kit is 12.439 at 109+ mph. Car was running a C16 TAPP tune and made 318whp. Jeff should be able to run low 13's and even high 12's if he gets a good launch.

BTW on that same day as those 2 vids that you posted, I ran low 13's with G's B6 on our oh so crappy CA 91 octane. lol


Flynn I mean a gtrs elim. The baby bt. The 350hp rated turbo. Not the disco potato.

The GTRS is basically just a Disco in a 2 bolt inlet compressor housing and the ATP exhaust housing.

I actually ran nearly the same ET with a full frame 2871r, a Elim GTRS and a Elim GT2871r. All running the exact same tune and race fuel, all B6's (1 Avant and 2 Sedans) and all at the same track on the same day.


Good Luck at the track on Tuesday Jeff. If you need any pointers while your there you know my number.

turbo kraut
03-22-2012, 02:29 PM
Will do thanks mike. I'll try 1 run then might call or text after that for pointers

Don Supreme
03-23-2012, 10:54 PM
When are you going to the track?

$teady$upreme
03-24-2012, 02:12 AM
cant wait to see this, as we have very similar mods.

Have you ever thought of methanol injection?

turbo kraut
03-24-2012, 05:21 AM
Tuesday weather permiting

Don Supreme
03-27-2012, 12:45 PM
Today is the day.

turbo kraut
03-27-2012, 01:39 PM
Yes it is. Hope the rain stays away and I put on a good show. Will take pix of slips

murdered APR a4
03-27-2012, 02:26 PM
I will put money you will be at a 13.5......or in that area, you would need perfect conditions and everything to get into the high 12's. And I wouldn't doubt what cars he has beaten......all depends on the driver, say the viper misses all his gears or a few of them guess what 450whp doesn't mean shit.

murdered APR a4
03-27-2012, 02:29 PM
And if you read this before you race, blip the throttle for launch ;)

turbo kraut
03-27-2012, 02:34 PM
The first prototype was tested in January 1989. It debuted in 1991 with two pre-production models as the pace car for the Indianapolis 500 when Dodge was forced to substitute it in place of the Japanese-built Stealth because of complaints from the United Auto Workers, and went on sale in January 1992 as the RT/10 Roadster.
The centerpiece of the car was its engine. It was based on the Chrysler LA design, which was a truck engine. The original configuration made it too heavy for sports car use, so Lamborghini, then owned by Chrysler Corporation, revamped Dodge's cast-iron block V10 for the Viper by recasting the block and head in aluminum alloy. Some within Chrysler felt the pushrod two-valve design, while adequate for the truck application, was unsuitable for a performance car and suggested a more comprehensive redesign which would have included four valves per cylinder. Chrysler, however, was uncertain about the Viper's production costs and sales potential and so declined to provide the budget for the modification.
The engine weighed 711 lb (323 kg) and produced 400 bhp (300 kW) at 4600 rpm and 465 lbft (630 Nm) at 3600 rpm, and thanks to the long-gearing allowed by the engine, provided fuel economy at a United States Environmental Protection Agency-rated 12 mpg-US (20 L/100 km; 14 mpg-imp) city and 20 mpg-US (12 L/100 km; 24 mpg-imp) highway.[5] The body was a tubular steel frame with resin transfer molding (RTM) fiberglass panels. Some small bits of the suspension, (tie-rod ends and parts of the front wheel hubs) following the manufacturer's "engine first" mantra, were sourced from the Dodge Dakota pickup. It had a curb weight of 3,284 lb (1,490 kg) and lacked all modern driver aids such as traction control or anti-lock brakes. Car and Driver magazine referred to this generation as "the world's biggest Fat Boy Harley", and likened driving it to "playing ping pong with a Louisville Slugger baseball bat." Despite this, in straight line performance, it completed a quarter mile (402 m) in 12.6 seconds and had a maximum speed of over 180 mph (290 km/h). Its large tires allowed the car to average close to 1 lateral g in corners, placing it among the elite cars of its day. However, the car proved tricky to drive at high speeds, particularly for the unskilled.
The car was spartan, although it featured inflatable lumbar support and adjustable seats. Along with the absence of exterior door handles, the vehicle lacked side windows and a roof. Although a soft top cover was available, it was designed primarily for indoor vehicle storage. Side curtains of fabric and clear plastic operated by zippers could be inserted into the door and hand-bolted when needed. All of these decisions were made to reduce weight. The battery is located in the sealed compartment over the rear wheel well to increase rear-end weight and traction. The car shipped with a tonneau cover and video tape on soft-top assembly (the soft top is removable and folds to fit in the trunk). In 1994 A/C was added as an option.
[edit]Performance
Dodge Viper first generation
0-60 mph (97 km/h): 4.6 sec[6]
0-100 mph (160 km/h): 9.2 sec
quarter mile: 12.9 sec @ 113.8 mph (183.1 km/h)[6]
top speed: 164 mph (264 km/h) reference: http://www.vipercentral.com/specifications/
700 ft (210 m) slalom: over 66 mph (106 km/h)
skidpad average g: 0.96

not really that fast

M-Hood
03-27-2012, 03:39 PM
Wait shouldn't you be at the drag strip?

Seerlah
03-27-2012, 03:47 PM
lol

Mr.Audi
03-27-2012, 04:35 PM
Wait shouldn't you be at the drag strip?

lmmfao

turbo kraut
03-27-2012, 07:09 PM
and the results are in:

good/bad/and ugly, no excuses...... it is what it is(the parenthesis are what i did or results of hot lapping, not excuses)

1st run(stopped short of the beam(haven't been to track in 10yrs, didn't realize till after third run there was a beam "doh")
r/t: .428
60: 1.972
330: 5.848
1/8: 7.571
1000: 11.704
1/4: 13.988
mph: 98.85

2nd(missed 2nd gear)
r/t: .420
60: 2.406
330: 6.833
1/8: 10.160
mph: 76.34
1000: 12.947
1/4: 15.296
mph: 96.28

3rd(knocked it out of 1st gear)
r/t: .047
60: 3.398
330: 7.712
1/8: 11.006
mph: 77.37
1000: 13.758
1/4: 16.084
mph: 96.99

4th run(hot lapping)
r/t: .304
60: 2.232
330: 6.180
1/8: 9.377
mph: 77.45
1000: 12.102
1/4: 14.428
mph: 96.94

5th run(hot lapping)
r/t: .276
60: 2.090
330: 5.976
1/8: 9.141
mph: 78.31
1000: 11.842
1/4: 14.146
mph: 97.91



there you have it folk, w/ a good fmic and w/m and driver mod, i would of had good times

:D

Seerlah
03-27-2012, 07:11 PM
You ever dyno your car?

turbo kraut
03-27-2012, 07:13 PM
when i was having issues.... 220whp.... lol

Seerlah
03-27-2012, 07:14 PM
I am just trying to gauge times on the track with your whp.

turbo kraut
03-27-2012, 07:26 PM
I know I'm not at 220. I'd say closer to 270ish. There was a few stock ish newer cars (factory spec 300+ hp)running high 14's+

Seerlah
03-27-2012, 07:30 PM
Driver mod FTW

I don't plan on dragging my car, but want to do circuit racing in the future.

Shhmaudi
03-27-2012, 07:37 PM
The Fastest B5 A4 1.8t with Elim kit is 12.439 at 109+ mph. Car was running a C16 TAPP tune and made 318whp. Jeff should be able to run low 13's and even high 12's if he gets a good launch.

BTW on that same day as those 2 vids that you posted, I ran low 13's with G's B6 on our oh so crappy CA 91 octane. lol



The GTRS is basically just a Disco in a 2 bolt inlet compressor housing and the ATP exhaust housing.

I actually ran nearly the same ET with a full frame 2871r, a Elim GTRS and a Elim GT2871r. All running the exact same tune and race fuel, all B6's (1 Avant and 2 Sedans) and all at the same track on the same day.
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Very interesting

runvsofme07
03-27-2012, 09:14 PM
Im in for the time sheets, but based on what mike said, it might have changed my mind about going full frame especially since i only want low 13s..

M-Hood
03-28-2012, 12:20 AM
and the results are in:

good/bad/and ugly, no excuses...... it is what it is(the parenthesis are what i did or results of hot lapping, not excuses)

1st run(stopped short of the beam(haven't been to track in 10yrs, didn't realize till after third run there was a beam "doh")
r/t: .428
60: 1.972
330: 5.848
1/8: 7.571
1000: 11.704
1/4: 13.988
mph: 98.85

2nd(missed 2nd gear)
r/t: .420
60: 2.406
330: 6.833
1/8: 10.160
mph: 76.34
1000: 12.947
1/4: 15.296
mph: 96.28

3rd(knocked it out of 1st gear)
r/t: .047
60: 3.398
330: 7.712
1/8: 11.006
mph: 77.37
1000: 13.758
1/4: 16.084
mph: 96.99

4th run(hot lapping)
r/t: .304
60: 2.232
330: 6.180
1/8: 9.377
mph: 77.45
1000: 12.102
1/4: 14.428
mph: 96.94

5th run(hot lapping)
r/t: .276
60: 2.090
330: 5.976
1/8: 9.141
mph: 78.31
1000: 11.842
1/4: 14.146
mph: 97.91



there you have it folk, w/ a good fmic and w/m and driver mod, i would of had good times

:D

I think the timing system messed up on your first run which is why it didn't give you a MPH for the 1/8th, something must have tripped the beams before you got there and why your 1/8 ETA on that run was so low. Not possible for your car to travel from the 330ft to the 660ft(1/8th) in 1.734 seconds and then took 4.113 seconds to go from 660ft to 1000ft. lol
That 1/8th ET should have been around 9.045.

With a good launch you should be in the mid to high 8's which is a low to mid 13.

Seerlah
03-28-2012, 12:33 AM
Im in for the time sheets, but based on what mike said, it might have changed my mind about going full frame especially since i only want low 13s..

Full frame setups are for people wanting to upgrade, or if you live in a place like CA where they aren't that lenient towards modded vehicles. If you will be content with 400chp being your max goal, you will be fine with an eliminator.

M-Hood
03-28-2012, 08:02 AM
Full frame setups are for people wanting to upgrade, or if you live in a place like CA where they aren't that lenient towards modded vehicles. If you will be content with 400chp being your max goal, you will be fine with an eliminator.

The nice thing about the Elim kit is that it is just a simple bolt on kit without having to use a custom TIP or custom down pipe.

Seerlah
03-28-2012, 08:15 AM
PSi Concept kit works in the same fashion.

M-Hood
03-28-2012, 08:22 AM
PSi Concept kit works in the same fashion.

Yes but I meant it bolts to the stock cat and stock manifold. The PSI Concept kit has to be used with a special pipe and comes with its own manifold.

andyrew
03-28-2012, 08:33 AM
Everyone, Notice his MPH. 99mph.. He's not going to get much below 13.25 with that. I ran 13.5 at 100mph with 1.8 60ft. That was my Apr stage 3, aka gt2560 running 19psi and 100 octane mix on a 93 octane file. Also note I was at 255whp with that setup.

Don Supreme
03-28-2012, 02:06 PM
yup.................. not as easy as it looks.

SynapticA4TQM
03-28-2012, 02:47 PM
How did you do your launches? Drop from midrange rpm? Quick fade in, or street start from low rpm's?

turbo kraut
03-28-2012, 03:01 PM
1/4/5, slipped it about 5-6k. 2/3 dumped/bogged at 6-7k

M-Hood
03-28-2012, 03:07 PM
Everyone, Notice his MPH. 99mph.. He's not going to get much below 13.25 with that. I ran 13.5 at 100mph with 1.8 60ft. That was my Apr stage 3, aka gt2560 running 19psi and 100 octane mix on a 93 octane file. Also note I was at 255whp with that setup.

Yeah it is most likely because of his Ebay FMIC which I am going to guess was heat soaked the whole time he was at the track.

BTW I trapped 97 mph with my little K03 and 106.6 with my PES T28 kit. lol


How did you do your launches? Drop from midrange rpm? Quick fade in, or street start from low rpm's?

He was trying to blip the throttle a few times, then went WOT and releasing the clutch up around 6k. Problem is the car kept bogging during the launch.

SynapticA4TQM
03-28-2012, 03:09 PM
Best launch I've ever had was a 3500 drop with a slight blip... This is stock clutch on stock a4 though so its prolly an entirely different situation... If you're bogging your launching to high though...

andyrew
03-28-2012, 05:10 PM
Entirely different situation in a big turbo car.

Best launch i've done was a 5.5k full throttle slip for 1/2 second. 1st gear never went away so fast, this was on street though.. On a track the grip is so much greater its hard to slip properly. You pretty much have to drop it to have the tires spin almost all the way through first in order not to bog. Or slip the shit out of it..

M-Hood
03-29-2012, 09:13 AM
Best launch I've ever had was a 3500 drop with a slight blip... This is stock clutch on stock a4 though so its prolly an entirely different situation... If you're bogging your launching to high though...

As you go bigger in turbo size the higher you will have to launch the car. A K03 will launch best at around 4k, K04 around 4500, GT28r around 5k-5500 and GTRS and larger up around 6K. A car is not going to bog because you are too high in the rpms, you will actually get too much tire spin. Bogging happens when the rpm's are not high enough to over come the traction of the tires. This is why it is even easier to launch a AWD car on a dirty or wet surface.


I have been launching/drag racing AWD cars for 11+ years, everything from a K03 to over 600awhp. I actually drive cars for other shops when it comes to drag racing AWD cars, including magazine events.

To make it easier to launch decreasing the traction helps and can be done by running the tire pressure at around 45psi, decreasing the tire pressure a little at a time if getting too much tire spin.

Seerlah
03-29-2012, 09:26 AM
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