Meth with k03 turbo

[ericpaulyoung]

Would you see any benefit to running a meth setup if you only have a Stage II+ K03 setup? All these threads have me thinking I may just order a devil's own DVC-30 Stage II to put on my baby.
- Eric

[SykoraA4]

cooler intake, reduced carbon, advanced timing. sounds good to me. plus rai is having a sale on their snow kits.

[Operator]

It can allow you to run APR's 100oct profile if you fill up with 93oct. Or if you only have 91oct, you can run their 93oct program. In the summer it'ss also help keep heatsoak at bay.

[schnell]

Wow, this sounds like a great idea. How easy is the install?

[ericpaulyoung]

Ya, I have tried to resist, but these guys keep talking so much sense that I can't help but want to do it. Plus after seeing the images of how clean the engine is kept by alcohol inject, it just kinda makes sense. Probably order one tonight for next weekend project.
Eric

[GA42.0T]

Ya, I have tried to resist, but these guys keep talking so much sense that I can't help but want to do it.
Eric

Another fair summation of Audizine. Start off just poking around, figuring you'll maybe drop it for looks and try exhaust for sound, but keep the rest stock to save $$ and warranty. 2 years later you're $10K in, chipped, have had 3 sets of wheels, spring/shock set then coils, all the bolt ons, are saving for KOR and swear that that will be the last of your mods.

All together now: I love the 'zine. I love the 'zine. love the 'zine.

[az]

[mr shickadance]

i had a sytage 2+ with water meth, i noticed some great gains, my only regret was not doing it sooner

[jimrobbington]

Would love to run meth, and I plan to by the time I am done with my stage 2 +. Just the gains I got from advancing timing one notch when it was cold out was completely noticable. I built more boost faster, and the car just felt better. Do it!
JR

[ericpaulyoung]

Yup, yup. I have just given in that there will never be a "last" modification, but I am keeping my fingers crossed that they will start costing less. The sad truth of the matter is that as I run out of the obvious mods, they are getting more expensive rather than less!! WTF

The next items on my list (in order)
1. Okada coils. These are spendy, but I have yet to find any documented negatives for them; they just seem to keep performing the more you push your engine. Since I am aiming for a 24 psi peak and 21 hold, a good spark is required. They are on order with Winston's group buy right now.

2. EDIT - RAI Snow Performance Stage II methanol injection -. After finding some hard proof on how well this cleans, and keeps clean, the engine, I really don't need any more reason to add this. Just the added consistency of a clean engine is enough, but I am also going to do as Operator says and run the 100 octane file that I paid for and have never used. I am going to plug in VAGCOM and pull some logs to see if I am seeing any timing pull on my APR stage II+ 93 octane file. I can feel the engine pull back a little after a few spirited runs, so I think this may be happening. I will be surprised if I have exceeded my ER intercoolers with the little K03, but who knows.

3. I have an order waiting with Laszlo at 034 for a) custom fabricated engine mount to fit the newer S3 K04 on my ride, 2) street density motor mounts, 3) adjustable top control arms [fix the damn inner tire wear]. This order is on hold until 15th of next month because I shot past my $800 a month car hobby allowance that my wife gives me. I tried to wiggle through, but she said she is already being nice given that I try to exceed it EVERY MONTH ;-) I love her too much to argue.

4. S3 K04 version 988 with forged compressor wheel and enlarged exhaust path (tax returns are going to get this, if I file my returns this weekend, then likely I will order it next week). This 988 version is likely the same wheel that RAI uses as their "proprietary" wheel for the KOR. Anywho, the forged version of the 988 wheel has slightly better flow characteristics than the older cast wheel designs, and the 988 is also made specifically for the aftermarket in comparison to the OEM S3 turbo, and it has an enlarged exhaust path of the casing that helps on the top end. These forged wheel version are just coming out, but can be found if you are patient, and they are a lot cheaper than the KOR.

5. Secondary branch resonator on the STASIS exhaust to tune out 160 hz sound. I will do this when ever as it is only going to be around 300-400 to get in. I am going for a complete stealth sound with full flow capability of a straight pipe. I want to be able to step on it and people hear nothing...., I just disappear. With the low end grunt of the 988 K04 combined with my new understanding of meth injection, I should safely lay down a powerband of 300 ft-lbs of torque from 3000 right up to 6000 rpms. I am actually turning down my rev limiter (yes I just said lowering my rev limit). The stress on an engine goes as the square of the rotational speed of the crank, and I have no use for a sky high peak number at 8000 bazillion rpms, I want a flat torque curve from 3000-5000 that I can drop out of boost to 2000 rpms for fuel mileage during my daily commutes.

6. BBS CH-R 18" God, what a perfect tire for our cars. These are definitely waiting for summer time for both cost and winter damage reasons.
http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/WheelCloseUpServlet?target=wheelCloseUp&wheelFinish=Black+w%2FPolished+Stainless+Lip&code=yes&partnum=CH114BPO&KEYWORD=wheels_BBS_CH-R_Black_w%2FPolished_Stainless_Lip_Wheels&CAWELAID=712139737&wheelMake=BBS&GCID=C13674x012-wheel&wheelModel=CH-R

And that is the list for now.
- Eric

EDIT - Here is a primer on the K04 types that the serial number actually indicates. The full part number on the K04 turbos is 53049880064

The first two digits '53' indicate 'K' Series
The second two digits '04' indicate a K04 model.
Digits 5,6,7 indicate the production type and there are two designations, '970' or '988'. 988 are turbos destined for aftermarket use which these units are. Turbos with '970' are for OE production. Now the newest version of these has the forged wheel, check out http://www.ctsturbo.com/2012/03/pushin-weight-borg-warner-forged-mill-wheel-technology/ for one pretty recent post about them.

[ericpaulyoung]

I like this guys install for his meth. Given my aversion to anything that sticks out, I will try to hid everything and use my washer fluid tank. I want the engine bay to look clean!!!!
http://golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85181
- Eric

EDIT - Yes, I know it is not for our cars, I just like the approach.

[ericpaulyoung]

i had a sytage 2+ with water meth, i noticed some great gains, my only regret was not doing it sooner

Did you have to change your tune to take advantage of it, or did you just let it adjust? Which tune were you running when you had it in?
- Eric

[jimrobbington]

Did you have to change your tune to take advantage of it, or did you just let it adjust? Which tune were you running when you had it in?
- Eric

Scott had Unitronic, iirc

JR

[mr shickadance]

Did you have to change your tune to take advantage of it, or did you just let it adjust? Which tune were you running when you had it in?
- Eric

apparenlty uni does have a base tune for people with meth for our cars, but i never got it, i only let the car adapt to it

[ericpaulyoung]

Well I am sold on the stuff. The question I have is, I have been staring at the two choices for the sensor all morning and don't know what to do with it. So they offer either a 2.5 bar MAP sensor input or a pressure tap input. I would rather use my MAP sensor so that I know that both the ECU and the meth are getting the same signal (for trouble shooting later). But I think our cars have a 3.0 bar MAP sensor?? So I would have to install a seperate Map sensor just for the meth. That is stupid.
- Eric

[Operator]

Did you have to change your tune to take advantage of it, or did you just let it adjust? Which tune were you running when you had it in?
- Eric

To take full advatage of it with "your" tune, you need to use the 100oct setting. Or use the method I posted in post #3. But you can still take advatage of the cooling properties just by installing it.

[ericpaulyoung]

Small change of plans, couldn't figure out the Devil's Own MAP setup, so I ordered the Snow Performance Stage II instead. I am pumped about this upgrade guys, thank you for talking some reason into me!!
- Eric

[Sales@RAI]

Solid list Eric

[jsandor91]

good luck with your meth kit eric!
i just picked up a vast kit in the classifieds last week and cant wait to install mine!

[ericpaulyoung]

Solid list Eric
Thanks Clint. I look forward to getting the Snow Performance from you and installing it. Thanks again for putting together the sale!
- Eric

[DavidAAG]

Im still learning everything about my car. And have read a lot and learned a shit load from AZ. But now reading about this has me interested. So I ask this, for the w/m kit do I have to keep refilling it with methanol and water (sorry if that sounds dumb) or do I just use my regular 93 oct gas. Also if I use the 100 oct program from my tune. Can I use it as a daily driving program like I do with my 93 oct program. I'm between this snow kit or fmic. So please help me out guys. Thanks.

[NorcalPB]

Im still learning everything about my car. And have read a lot and learned a shit load from AZ. But now reading about this has me interested. So I ask this, for the w/m kit do I have to keep refilling it with methanol and water (sorry if that sounds dumb) or do I just use my regular 93 oct gas. Also if I use the 100 oct program from my tune. Can I use it as a daily driving program like I do with my 93 oct program. I'm between this snow kit or fmic. So please help me out guys. Thanks.

You don't need to keep refilling it if you are running a 93 octane file. It's only if you're running a 100 octane file, and you run out of meth, that you can run into some serious issues. If you have your water/meth always filled you can run the 100 octane program 100% of the time! Meth > FMIC. No need to try and look hard under 300chp

[DRAKLORE]

I don't know about on a KO3 but if you have any questions Eric, I have the same snow performance Stg 2 kit from ray@RAI and am also using the washer tank.

I have specific pictures from my install that coup help you out, +some tips on tapping the tank.

[jimrobbington]

For the cheap guys who want to use meth, but aren't going to tune for it, you can actually just use windshield fluid. I think you just need to make sure it doesn't have any additives like bug cleaners,.and it must be rated to a certain freezing point (directly related to % mixture of meth)

JR

[BlackGecko]

Anybody with Revo who use meth? There isn't a "100 octane tune," but you can increase timing and boost. Does that maximize the potential as much as APR's 100 octane file?

[jimrobbington]

Anybody with Revo who use meth? There isn't a "100 octane tune," but you can increase timing and boost. Does that maximize the potential as much as APR's 100 octane file?

Revo is Better. T-3 =91 oct, T-4= 93 oct, etc...

JR

[BlackGecko]

Revo is Better. T-3 =91 oct, T-4= 93 oct, etc...

JR

I already know Revo is better, I was just asking about w/m tuning [>_<]




















Just teasing [rolleyes]

[ericpaulyoung]

I don't think there is a better, given that is such a subjective term. I can say without doubt that my APR tuning is flawless for me and I dont think you can find an informed and respectable Audi enthusiast that could say they dont respect APR for what they have done, and still are doing, for the Audi community.
Eric

[jimrobbington]

It all depends on your goals. I'll leave it at that. We don't need another REVO vs APR thread. Lol.

JR

[Ed Gein]

whats with all these facking meth threads

[DavidAAG]

You don't need to keep refilling it if you are running a 93 octane file. It's only if you're running a 100 octane file, and you run out of meth, that you can run into some serious issues. If you have your water/meth always filled you can run the 100 octane program 100% of the time! Meth &gt; FMIC. No need to try and look hard under 300chp

Thing is, my car is stage 3 apr with K0R-gt turbo (still have to pick it up) and I don't have an fmic. But if u or drakelore I know u know your stuff and anyone else think I should get meth instead of fmic I will.

[ericpaulyoung]

It all depends on your goals. I'll leave it at that. We don't need another REVO vs APR thread. Lol.

JR

Exactly, cause APR always wins hands down and the poor REVO boys are sitting on the side like "ya, I wish my ride had that go"

- Eric

Happy Saint Patty's

[jimrobbington]

Exactly, cause APR always wins hands down and the poor REVO boys are sitting on the side like "ya, I wish my ride had that go"

- Eric

Happy Saint Patty's

Lol, at least we found our next subject to disagree upon! I &lt;3 Eric.

JR

[ericpaulyoung]

true, keep it safe tonight
Eric

[DRAKLORE]

Thing is, my car is stage 3 apr with K0R-gt turbo (still have to pick it up) and I don't have an fmic. But if u or drakelore I know u know your stuff and anyone else think I should get meth instead of fmic I will.


David- here's my outlook on it, both intercooler and w/m have their gains to be had. I would say that w/m offers better gains for the money, also considering you already have intercoolers (albeit the stock ones) but you do not have a water methanol injection system stock...

[ericpaulyoung]

get both! Each adds potential for power. Nice thing about upgraded intercoolers is they are just there forever in a passive way; no upkeep. The meth you have to actively be aware of and refill etc. to make sure you don't OOPs there goes the motor. If you think filling it up everytime you fill your gas tank is a hassle, then meth likely isn't for you. It isn't a set it and forget it thing.
- Eric

[fordyoz]

lol you love apr so much

[ericpaulyoung]

lol you love apr so much

For good reason my friend ;) because they are a top notch shop with top shelf fear. People getting pissed because they don't want to pay for the APR equipment is like arguing that 18k gold rings suck because 10k gold is cheaper and they are both rings. If you like brand A, then buy brand A, People dont have to try and crap on brand B just to make themselves feel better about getting brand A, but I see this all the time. Crazy.

Eric

[DRAKLORE]

Eric- I'm sorry you overpayed for less HP[up]

Anyways, I don't think the gains from an intercooler upgrade are even slightly comparable tithe gains from adding W/M alone.

And I am stumped at this worry of running out of the stuff, I carry a spare gallon in my trunk, I've refilled once in about 6 months. And highly doubt your engine would be damaged from running 100oct if you just stayed out of boost till you hit a Walmart, gas station, home depot.. Ect

[Mark.]

Im not very knowledgeable when it comes to these kits, how much of a gain do you see if you install this kit but still have a stock turbo?

[DRAKLORE]

It's not all about HP gains

[ericpaulyoung]

Drak, did you just contradict yourself in less then two posts?? :). First post it's about the better hp gains from meth over intercoolers, then next post it's not all about the hp gains. Hehe, that's quicker than most politicians!!
Eric

[ericpaulyoung]

I don't know about on a KO3 but if you have any questions Eric, I have the same snow performance Stg 2 kit from ray@RAI and am also using the washer tank.

I have specific pictures from my install that coup help you out, +some tips on tapping the tank.

I totally down with any pictures and other help you could provide. Thanks drak.
Eric

[DRAKLORE]

Gains can be anything from HP to carbon cleaning, to timing, to lower temps.

That's why when I referred to HP gains I used the prefix HP
Lol

It's not contradictory if you use logic :-)

[ericpaulyoung]

Logic is not enherently correct. There is such a thing as bad logic; just look to all of Bush II logic during his presidency. All that shit was logic, just not good logic.
Eric

[DRAKLORE]

Eric I used the return nipple on the top portion of the washer tank.
Then used a dremel to make a small hole to put that rubber gromet feed at the bottom of the lower washer tank, then fed the line into it.
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[ericpaulyoung]

Right on; I shall follow your lead.
Eric

[jerseybrian]

I'm currently at stage 2+ (but no FMIC) as well and thinking about putting my VAST meth kit in the car no after such a nice day today! Can't wait!

I'm tuned with REVO and also have the SPS switch so I'll be messing around with the REVO settings to have an improved map that can use the advantages of the meth. I wonder if REVO has their own SPS settings for a meth map...

[DavidAAG]

Eric- I'm sorry you overpayed for less HP[up]

Anyways, I don't think the gains from an intercooler upgrade are even slightly comparable tithe gains from adding W/M alone.

And I am stumped at this worry of running out of the stuff, I carry a spare gallon in my trunk, I've refilled once in about 6 months. And highly doubt your engine would be damaged from running 100oct if you just stayed out of boost till you hit a Walmart, gas station, home depot.. Ect

This is exactly what I wanted to know thank u!!! I'll def. be getting the w/m kit and skip on the fmic... Drake do u happen to run on 100 oct program with your meth kit when u add extra meth every 6 months? And does it take a gallon to refill it? Last question lol sorry; how often do u look under your hood to see if u need to refill?

[DRAKLORE]

I never look under the hood seeing how the windshield washer tank has a built in low level sensor that will tell me if it's low, I'm not sure if you understood, I have a specific tune fOr my setup which includes w/m

I run a 60% methanol mixture and because the washer tank is so large I hardly have to refill it.

:-) I'm glad I could help