Coil Packs....Which one is best

[verrico1183]

I need to change the coil packs on my car (a4 b7 2.0t) and as i was looking on ecstuning there are a few different ones for my motor....which one is best???

[AudiNFS]

OEM

[EinSchnellAudi]

Best for . . . Stage 3? Stock? If you are stock then just go OE.

[AudiTFSI3o3]

you mean which revision? "E" and "F" are basically the same. "E" is just red and "F" is the newest revision

[camoto]

Okada Plasma Direct. Dirt cheap too! [rolleyes]

[ericpaulyoung]

Okada Plasma Direct. Dirt cheap too! [rolleyes]

They only list for Mitsubishi.
- Eric

[[email protected]]

They only list for Mitsubishi.
- Eric

Check again: http://www.okadaprojects.com/usa/applications_files/Applications.pdf

They are worth the money if you have a BAT build.

[verrico1183]

Best for . . . Stage 3? Stock? If you are stock then just go OE.

Am chipped stage 3

[kristokes]

Am chipped stage 3

You have a bigger turbo? [confused]

[verrico1183]

You have a bigger turbo? [confused]

No I don't just intake exhaust high flow Cayt

[kristokes]

No I don't just intake exhaust high flow Cayt

So that would be a Stage 2, not Stage 3 as you posted.

[verrico1183]

So that would be a Stage 2, not Stage 3 as you posted.

Oh sorry about that ....so which coil pack is best should I stay stock ??

[ericpaulyoung]

Check again: http://www.okadaprojects.com/usa/applications_files/Applications.pdf

They are worth the money if you have a BAT build.


In your other thread, you said that you can give the AZ community a price break. Is this still true? If so, can you PM me what that is?
Thanks,
- Eric

[kristokes]

Oh sorry about that ....so which coil pack is best should I stay stock ??

http://www.europaparts.com/ignition-coil-pack-07k905715f.html

[ericpaulyoung]

http://www.europaparts.com/ignition-coil-pack-07k905715f.html
that is what i have, but i am still getting some missfire codes.
eric

[DRAKLORE]

If you want the BEST COILS for our engine, there is nothing better than these for our motors...
Plug and play with the 1.8, 2.0 and 2.7 wiring harness
http://px6.streetfire.net/0001/96/23/1956932_600.jpg

034
http://www.034motorsport.com/ignition-solutions-vwaudi-valve-high-output-coil-upgrade-p-449.html

[ericpaulyoung]

If you want the BEST COILS for our engine, there is nothing better than these for our motors...
Plug and play with the 1.8, 2.0 and 2.7 wiring harness
http://px6.streetfire.net/0001/96/23/1956932_600.jpg

034
http://www.034motorsport.com/ignition-solutions-vwaudi-valve-high-output-coil-upgrade-p-449.html

hmmmm, those look interesting. do you know anybody that has tried them out?
eric

[DRAKLORE]

Doctor runs them, And M-Hood

[ericpaulyoung]

Doctor runs them, And M-Hood


Yo Doctor, any feedback on these babies?
- Eric

[camoto]

What data are we using to determine "best"? (Seriously, I am not busting on you.)

[ericpaulyoung]

What data are we using to determine "best"? (Seriously, I am not busting on you.)

I figure we should rank "best" by personal feedback or proven dyno runs, i.e. you only get a vote if you have used them or have back to back dynos. For me that means:
1. OEM Rev D switched out for brand new Rev F and I am still getting some misfire codes. So I rank the Rev F "not best".
2. There are two back to back dyno comparisons of the Okada showing "proven" better running and increased power, so this is a no-brainer to vote as a "best" solution.
3. The 034 seem like a good idea, but I can't find any back to back dyno and have no personal experience, so these don't get a vote until someone using them at least chimes in. We should be careful with this one, as a lot of people on the AZ love to use "rumor" as "fact" ;-)
- Eric

EDIT 1 - I heard the 034 coils use a proprietary copper wire for their winding that conducts electricity better and out-flows the current of common copper wire. The supplier of the copper wire will not confirm or deny this "fact", so you have to take it on faith.

[yungcotter]

Doctor runs them, And M-Hood

Those are both 1.8's it Dosent seam that they work for our 2.0's.

[viziers]

From what I understand the Okada's are the "cream of the crop"! Winston has loggings from stock to these and it clearly shows where they shine.....


However with the price they are not for the faint of heart... I also beleive Winston rents (I could be wrong) the Okadas out for first hand comparison (with deposit of course)....



vizi

[bmc333]

Okada = best. Not cheap at all, but they are the best.

[DRAKLORE]

The 034s are able to be used according to M-hood...

[ericpaulyoung]

Hey Viz, you ever think about upgrading to the Okadas? If not, why? If so, when?
- eric

[viziers]

Hey Viz, you ever think about upgrading to the Okadas? If not, why? If so, when?
- eric


Yes I have been thinking very heavily about using them....



vizi

[ericpaulyoung]

Yes I have been thinking very heavily about using them....



vizi

Well the coils will have to be next month, as I just racked up $755 in 034 custom fabrication parts, new spherical upper control arms, and street density motor mounts. Hmm, I love there stuff, but this hobby consumes all my "play" money every month.

- Eric

[[email protected]]

In your other thread, you said that you can give the AZ community a price break. Is this still true? If so, can you PM me what that is?
Thanks,
- Eric

I have put together another group buy on these if a few people are interested in buying a set.

The group buy details are here: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/475151-podi-Okada-Project-Plasma-Direct-coilpacks-group-buy?p=7369396#post7369396

I know these coil packs work as I tested them out myself ad I do not offer anything I can not put my name behind. While they are not inexpensive they provide much more gains than an exhaust for the money.

If you have the ability to adjust your tune to take advantage of the increased spark output you would be amazed at the gains.

While I can not comment on other coil pack solutions, the Okadas are used in multiple car platforms and I have sold quite a few set to the Subaru guys and they love making big power with them.

[ericpaulyoung]

Do you have any info on how long these babies last? How long have you run them in your car before having to replace?
Eric

[[email protected]]

There is a 1 year warranty from Okada on the coil packs.

Of all the sets I have sold only one customer sent back one coil pack that failed which Okada replaced immediately and then analyzed it to determine why it failed.

I had them in my BAT Avant and I wouldn't say I babied that car when driving it.

[M-Hood]

Those are both 1.8's it Dosent seam that they work for our 2.0's.

Would be a problem if mounting them right on the VC since the 1.8t uses a coil that is shorter then what is used on the 2.0t. This is why a spacer is needed when using FSI/TSI coils on a 1.8t. I am sure that 034 could change the plug part that sits under the DIS coil to allow it to be used on a FSI/TSI, other wise the other option is to mount them off the motor and use spark plug wires like Doctor and I have setup on our cars.

[DRAKLORE]

^exactly, I don't see why you would get these and mount them on the VC anyways.... Just the ability to remove the coils from the hot zone greatly extends coil life.... That and the huge power output these provide...

[M-Hood]

^exactly, I don't see why you would get these and mount them on the VC anyways.... Just the ability to remove the coils from the hot zone greatly extends coil life.... That and the huge power output these provide...

Yes and makes changing spark plugs oh so easy.
http://px6.streetfire.net/0001/96/53/1956935_600.jpg

[ericpaulyoung]

Well Laszlo at 034 was kind enough to put my control arm order on hold so I can get the sweet deal on the Okada coils that is going on right now with Winston. So Okada this month!!! Oh ya, and I will definitely write a review with impressions and results of whether or not they cure the occasional misfire that the brand new Rev F OEM coils are giving me. So some good straight up facts mixed with impressions of how they work. Of course with the multiple dynos, I don't know if anyone needs more evidence that good ignition systems help an engine run correctly. Or there may be some distractors out there that think that spark quality is not part of the old horse power equation fuel + air + spark = boom.

Those 034 coils look pretty sweet too, and everything I have got from 034 is top notch, no questions about that. The only difference I see is that the 034 increase spark energy, and the Okada's increase spark energy and create a multiple spark discharge too. Either way you gonna do good.

- Eric

[Operator]

Has anyone heard about running R8 coils packs? I saw a mention of it on the B8 forum, and didn't know if that was an option for us.

[Derek C. King]

Most experienced are saying that the OEM coils are about as good as it gets in terms of reliability. The only ones I am going to recommend you anything consistently good about are the Weapon X coils. [:d]

[Operator]

Has anyone heard about running R8 coils packs? I saw a mention of it on the B8 forum, and didn't know if that was an option for us.

Found a little info here: http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?5890468-R8-Coil-Packs

[Operator]

And now this conflicts with the above..... http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45050


6) Here is what we were finding as an AVERAGE on the secondary circuit for each of the coils.

Stock: 3.3 M ohms
5 cylinder coils: 4.75 M ohms
R8's: 5.31 M ohms
Okadas: 6.2 M ohms

[jsandor91]

Hmm r8 coilpacks ... Might be worth it to say you have r8 parts In your car. Lol.
Might try em when I start getting misfires on this set.

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[Operator]

Well after further research, I already have them..... I was thinking there were two sets of red coil packs, but I looked at the part numbers, and they are actually the same.

[flyingfish2626]

Interesting for sure....I need new coilpacks.

[Mister W]

Well after further research, I already have them..... I was thinking there were two sets of red coil packs, but I looked at the part numbers, and they are actually the same.
For a second you made me doubt. When searching for Red coils, i have seen them marked for R8.
You just re-confirmed it.

[jsandor91]

so the red coilpacks type e i think is the same as the r8 ones?

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[adamc514]

6) Here is what we were finding as an AVERAGE on the secondary circuit for each of the coils.

Stock: 3.3 M ohms
5 cylinder coils: 4.75 M ohms
R8's: 5.31 M ohms
Okadas: 6.2 M ohms

Thanks for posting this up. I didn't know the red tops were rated any different from stock black tops. I have been running the reds for about 10k miles now. Switched to them when I had misfire issues. They were the same price as the black ones so I figured sure why not.

[Charles.waite]

I'm running the 07k black tops. Latest revision. They support a much larger gap that stock (.044" in both my 1.8t and my 2.0t). I see no reason to go much bigger than that. I was under the impression that the red tops were just a color difference. like the red T.

[:D]

Honestly, seeing as they don't give any part numbers for the coils they give those numbers for I'm not sure what to think about the numbers. The original 1.8t coils were abysmal. The 07k coils I have on them now are worlds better and even improved idle smoothness. so depending on what coil pack part number they bill as "Stock" its nearly impossible to know what coils they're talking about with the "R8". To me it sounds like they are trying to say their coils are more specialer even though they're probably available at any VW dealer...

[adamc514]

That's true Charles, stock is subjective here without more details. For my purposes, Audi installed the 07K905715F when I took my car in for the warranty campaign. I developed a misfire on cylinder 1 after maybe 50k miles use. I am now on 06E905115E red coil packs.

[Charles.waite]

That's true Charles, stock is subjective here without more details. For my purposes, Audi installed the 07K905715F when I took my car in for the warranty campaign. I developed a misfire on cylinder 1 after maybe 50k miles use. I am now on 06E905115E red coil packs.

50k miles on a set of coil packs can be considered a success in my book. I have that revision in both my Audis. Roughly a year in my b6 (only 6k miles though). I'm interested to see how the internals of the 07k and the 06e coil packs is different.

[A410]

Very interesting stuff right here, also somewhat confusing. So are you guys saying the 06E reds are better than the 07K? Or is the opposite true?

[Operator]

I'm running the 07k black tops. Latest revision. They support a much larger gap that stock (.044" in both my 1.8t and my 2.0t). I see no reason to go much bigger than that. I was under the impression that the red tops were just a color difference. like the red T.

[:D]

Honestly, seeing as they don't give any part numbers for the coils they give those numbers for I'm not sure what to think about the numbers. The original 1.8t coils were abysmal. The 07k coils I have on them now are worlds better and even improved idle smoothness. so depending on what coil pack part number they bill as "Stock" its nearly impossible to know what coils they're talking about with the "R8". To me it sounds like they are trying to say their coils are more specialer even though they're probably available at any VW dealer...

They are avail at the dealer, I don't think they are trying to advertise the coils as theirs. They even post the OEM part number at the top of the page............... and the stock coil they are talking about are TSI coils, so I venture they aren't as bad as the original 1.8t coils......


For those of you looking for more technical data on these coil packs, here is what we've found so far with our bench ( oscilloscope ) testing:

1) These coils can be used on your FSI/TSI engine at ANY level of modification. They function just as well on a dead stock car as a highly modified one.

2) They are NOT the same coils with red housings. The secondary circuit on the R8 coils has a higher resistance (more windings) than the stock coils. In fact the secondary circuits were slightly closer to the Okadas we tested than the secondary of the stock coils.

3) We tested these between 12 and 16 volts (remember if your alternator is charging properly the input will be right around 14). We tested them between 200 and 16,000rpm. The stock coils started to misfire at a much lower rpm than the R8's with a stock spark plug gapped @ .032".

4) The spark was visibly brighter and more intense on the R8's when compared to the stock coils @ every rpm we compared in the stock rev range. We didn't compare anything under 1,000rpm.

5) We were able to open the gap on the plugs much further with the R8's than the stock plug with out misfiring at the same rpm/voltage.

6) Here is what we were finding as an AVERAGE on the secondary circuit for each of the coils.