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hazard860
03-10-2012, 04:17 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Front-Mount-Intercooler-Kit-Audi-A4-B5-1-8T-Quattro-New-/130560281203?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&fits=Make%3AAudi%7CModel%3AA4%7CYear%3A1998&hash=item1e65ffca73&vxp=mtr#ht_3567wt_952


i know how you guys feel about ebay ones, but this one seems to have the most surface area and is bigger than cxracing, anyway i need a good fmic for 400$ or less, is this good? where should i look?

morzechowski
03-10-2012, 04:31 PM
no no no. http://www.maperformance.com/precision-600hp-air-to-air-intercooler.html + your choice of 2.5" ebay intercooler piping kit.

GOODBYNAAIR
03-10-2012, 04:56 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/94-01-Audi-A4-B5-FMIC-Intercooler-Kit-bolt-on-28-x7-x2-5-/140612049142?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item20bd2198f6&vxp=mtr#ht_7023wt_952

http://www.ebay.com/itm/GSP-FMIC-FRONT-MOUNT-INTERCOOLER-KIT-A4-B5-1-8T-350hp-/400217836880?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5d2ed78d50&vxp=mtr#ht_4786wt_1009

what about this? good bad and the ugly??

Seerlah
03-10-2012, 05:13 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Front-Mount-Intercooler-Kit-Audi-A4-B5-1-8T-Quattro-New-/130560281203?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&fits=Make%3AAudi%7CModel%3AA4%7CYear%3A1998&hash=item1e65ffca73&vxp=mtr#ht_3567wt_952


i know how you guys feel about ebay ones, but this one seems to have the most surface area and is bigger than cxracing, anyway i need a good fmic for 400$ or less, is this good? where should i look?

This is good up to a k04. After that, it will be insufficient.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/94-01-Audi-A4-B5-FMIC-Intercooler-Kit-bolt-on-28-x7-x2-5-/140612049142?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item20bd2198f6&vxp=mtr#ht_7023wt_952

http://www.ebay.com/itm/GSP-FMIC-FRONT-MOUNT-INTERCOOLER-KIT-A4-B5-1-8T-350hp-/400217836880?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5d2ed78d50&vxp=mtr#ht_4786wt_1009

what about this? good bad and the ugly??

CX Racing cores suck. Those are good till a GTRS on low boost. You can also ask for the larger core for a cost, which would be beneficial.

ZimbutheMonkey
03-10-2012, 07:53 PM
For $400, I'd check into the Treadstone ones. They appear to be a really good value for the money.

demonmk2
03-10-2012, 08:33 PM
the ebay intercoolers are okay...if you're not putting down 600hp.
i would go with an intercooler with 2" piping. you don't need 2.5" piping unless you have a BAT 450 and up. plus with the 2" piping it will look cleaner than the 2.5" piping when you put the front bumper cover back on.
GL

avantually
03-10-2012, 09:00 PM
I have been toying with the idea of s4 dual intercoolers for my b5. Some piping issues but way more low key.

Seerlah
03-10-2012, 11:23 PM
I was looking into a dual setup a while back, and the general consensus was it will bring extra lag from the velocity drop.

hazard860
03-11-2012, 08:50 AM
no no no. http://www.maperformance.com/precision-600hp-air-to-air-intercooler.html + your choice of 2.5" ebay intercooler piping kit.
Thanks, now all i need is piping from ebay?

hazard860
03-11-2012, 08:53 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/94-01-Audi-A4-B5-FMIC-Intercooler-piping-Kit-2-5-Core-/330594241170?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4cf8f3ca92&vxp=mtr#ht_5607wt_1185

but i dont have a map sensor

hazard860
03-11-2012, 08:56 AM
^would that work?

Avant Nate
03-11-2012, 01:29 PM
no no no. http://www.maperformance.com/precision-600hp-air-to-air-intercooler.html + your choice of 2.5" ebay intercooler piping kit.
Precision intercoolers are 3.5" thick, so probably going to need a sawzall for the install.

Seerlah
03-11-2012, 02:57 PM
Are you really going to purchase a 600hp core?

Nateness
03-11-2012, 04:16 PM
I have been toying with the idea of s4 dual intercoolers for my b5. Some piping issues but way more low key.

I wouldn't recommend it. Assuming that you will be piping the dual SMICs in series, the pressure drop will be DOUBLE what you have now (slower spool/lower peak pressure, less flow) and you will only achieve a marginal reduction in charge air temp since the heat transfer effectiveness will be reduced at the 2nd SMIC with reduced inlet temperatures.

Piping in parallel might defeat the purpose of low key... I'm skeptical that you'd have enough room for all of the piping/joints without making a cluster of it... which may also hurt flow if you have bad fittings.

Nateness
03-11-2012, 04:20 PM
Precision intercoolers are 3.5" thick, so probably going to need a sawzall for the install.

I'd recommend you pick up a dremel... a sawzall may be overkill.

Are you still on the A4 front bumper? 034 mentioned that their 3" core barely fits behind the A4 bumper.... only a thin layer of plastic bumper skin remains after they're done hacking away the rebar/etc. Even then, you'd have to be vary careful since the core is so thick that you may actually see the edges of the FMIC pushing against the bumper, throwing off the natural curve of the original shape. With a 3.5", you'll likely need a larger front bumper.

Crispy222
03-11-2012, 04:27 PM
Precision intercoolers are 3.5" thick, so probably going to need a sawzall for the install.

Cutoff wheel to the bumper bar, aluminum sheet (.100) to box in what you cut out if you want any strength it in, and a tig welder....

biketsai
03-11-2012, 06:04 PM
I'd recommend you pick up a dremel... a sawzall may be overkill.

Are you still on the A4 front bumper? 034 mentioned that their 3" core barely fits behind the A4 bumper.... only a thin layer of plastic bumper skin remains after they're done hacking away the rebar/etc. Even then, you'd have to be vary careful since the core is so thick that you may actually see the edges of the FMIC pushing against the bumper, throwing off the natural curve of the original shape. With a 3.5", you'll likely need a larger front bumper.

Cutoff wheel or sawzall will cut the rebar. You'll be there for days with a dremel.

Avant Nate
03-11-2012, 07:04 PM
Sometimes sarcasm doesn't translate, Sawzall was meant as a joke. Point was, there would be massive amounts of cutting to fit 3.5" under stock bumper.

bmx_a4
03-11-2012, 07:14 PM
Sometimes sarcasm doesn't translate, Sawzall was meant as a joke.

Sawzall makes life more interesting though. lol

Jordan80
03-11-2012, 07:47 PM
Sawzall makes life more interesting though. lol

And so you can really call it "custom"

hazard860
03-11-2012, 08:32 PM
what exactly would i need to cut? pics anyone? maybe i don't comprehend how big this task is....

Nateness
03-12-2012, 12:37 AM
Sometimes sarcasm doesn't translate, Sawzall was meant as a joke. Point was, there would be massive amounts of cutting to fit 3.5" under stock bumper.

Ahh... when I saw "sawzall," I had flashbacks to when I had imported a "half-cut" from Japan and had to dispose of the shell after I swapped the engine out. I ended up using a Sawzall to cut the car shell into small enough pieces to put in a friend's truck to take to the iron recycling yard. Knee-jerk reaction on my part lol. You may need a sawzall or air-powered rotary to handle the rebar.

Crispy222
03-12-2012, 06:38 AM
what exactly would i need to cut? pics anyone? maybe i don't comprehend how big this task is....

I'll take some photos when I get home and get the bumper cover off.

Seerlah
03-12-2012, 06:53 AM
Power drill and metal cutting wheel.

Avant Nate
03-12-2012, 08:22 AM
034 sells a 3 inch thick intercooler. The instructionshttp://www.034motorsport.com/engine-components-18t-intercooler-kit-b5-a4-large-core-p-2399.html will give you a good idea of the task.

morzechowski
03-12-2012, 08:22 AM
no do not get the $300 piping kit. let me be more precise here.

http://www.maperformance.com/precision-600hp-air-to-air-intercooler.html

$384.99

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-5-INCH-ALUMINUM-8PCS-TURBO-INTERCOOLER-PIPING-PIPE-KIT-HONDA-ACURA-BLACK-BLK-/140693910271?hash=item20c202b2ff&item=140693910271&pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr#ht_3401wt_1037

$93.99

Then order a reducer from the 2.5" pipe to your turbo charger outlet from http://www.siliconeintakes.com/

$10

= $488 for an awesome Garrett core intercooler that you will most likely never have to replace again.

Take an angle grinder with a cutting wheel and go nuts.

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/419813_3291789889679_1115708786_33301090_108352595 2_n.jpg

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/166925_3019969254333_1115708786_33175026_141362782 1_n.jpg

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/391343_2490922588497_1115708786_32918097_835039464 _n.jpg

Seerlah
03-12-2012, 08:26 AM
A 600hp core is way too overkill for the stock turbo. That would be lag central.

morzechowski
03-12-2012, 08:36 AM
034 sells a 3 inch thick intercooler. The instructionshttp://www.034motorsport.com/engine-components-18t-intercooler-kit-b5-a4-large-core-p-2399.html will give you a good idea of the task.

LOL 034 just resells Garrett cores with different end tanks on it just like Precision. Only thing is 034 charges $600 more for it, and it will most likely not fit or leak. thanks 034 [;)]

A full Garrett core and end tanks setup for us to by is $400. So 034 is buying just the cores in bulk for probably around $100 a piece, then making mass amounts of end tanks, $50. Ending up with a product they spend $150 or less on then charging you $900 for it. rough estimate, but you get the idea.

morzechowski
03-12-2012, 08:38 AM
A 600hp core is way too overkill for the stock turbo. That would be lag central.

maybe he is not on a stock turbo? or is planning on upgrading soon.

hazard860
03-12-2012, 08:43 AM
maybe he is not on a stock turbo? or is planning on upgrading soon.

Yeah, i'm running a FrankenTurbo

Turbwhistle
03-12-2012, 08:44 AM
Used ractech, or used er.

Avant Nate
03-12-2012, 08:56 AM
LOL 034 just resells Garrett cores with different end tanks on it just like Precision. Only thing is 034 charges $600 more for it, and it will most likely not fit or leak. thanks 034 [;)]

A full Garrett core and end tanks setup for us to by is $400. So 034 is buying just the cores in bulk for probably around $100 a piece, then making mass amounts of end tanks, $50. Ending up with a product they spend $150 or less on then charging you $900 for it. rough estimate, but you get the idea.

I'm not suggesting he get that one, but that the install instructions are pretty thorough and give a good perspective of the job. That kit also includes the charge piping.

melomandn
03-12-2012, 09:05 AM
For $400, I'd check into the Treadstone ones. They appear to be a really good value for the money.


Definitely look into Treadstone. And with a frankenturbo you wont need nearly a 600hp core...

Turbwhistle
03-12-2012, 09:35 AM
Treadstone is a great core, then i am sure you can get piping from 034.

M-Hood
03-12-2012, 10:26 AM
LOL 034 just resells Garrett cores with different end tanks on it just like Precision. Only thing is 034 charges $600 more for it, and it will most likely not fit or leak. thanks 034 [;)]



Cant really blame 034 seeing that it is just a FMIC from ATP and the FMIC is $495 if you want to actually compare apples to apples when comparing it to a FMIC only setup like from Precision.
http://www.atpturbo.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=tp&Product_Code=ATP-INT-003&Category_Code=INT

morzechowski
03-12-2012, 10:58 AM
Cant really blame 034 seeing that it is just a FMIC from ATP and the FMIC is $495 if you want to actually compare apples to apples when comparing it to a FMIC only setup like from Precision.
http://www.atpturbo.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=tp&Product_Code=ATP-INT-003&Category_Code=INT

ATP sells their cores already assembled with end tanks for very well under $400 to bulk buyers/companies like 034. shit even Evans-Tuning was selling the 600hp cores to general public for $400 up until last month when they bumped their price up $85, and they too must of been making good profit on them.

so 034 gets these things for way way under $400, can even get them cheaper if they get the cores and tanks separate, then they add 2 silicon hoses and a 45*pipe and ask for $900??

I'm just sick of companies screwing people over. like when everyone here, and I, got our $400 034 turbo line kits that were not what was pictured on 034's website and not a single line fits. Then when I comment on here about how nothing fits I get a PM from 034 asking me to remove my comment to hide the fact that their products suck from the rest of you guys. [confused]

M-Hood
03-12-2012, 12:10 PM
ATP sells their cores already assembled with end tanks for very well under $400 to bulk buyers/companies like 034. shit even Evans-Tuning was selling the 600hp cores to general public for $400 up until last month when they bumped their price up $85, and they too must of been making good profit on them.

so 034 gets these things for way way under $400, can even get them cheaper if they get the cores and tanks separate, then they add 2 silicon hoses and a 45*pipe and ask for $900??

I'm just sick of companies screwing people over. like when everyone here, and I, got our $400 034 turbo line kits that were not what was pictured on 034's website and not a single line fits. Then when I comment on here about how nothing fits I get a PM from 034 asking me to remove my comment to hide the fact that their products suck from the rest of you guys. [confused]

There is way more to it then just costs of the part and not exactly sure what bulk wholesale prices have to do with anything seeing that means the shop is paying a good amount of money up front to end up with parts collecting dust on the shelf till it actually sells. There are shipping charges and Paypal/CC charges that have to be added in to the cost of the parts which really makes what looked like a good profit to one that is actually very small.

If you dont like stuff a shop sells there is a simple solution, dont buy from them and move on. lol

BTW if someone gets something for $300 and sells it for $400 they are making a whole $50 once shipping costs to get the part to them and PP/CC charges on the customers payment are factored in.

morzechowski
03-12-2012, 12:52 PM
There is way more to it then just costs of the part and not exactly sure what bulk wholesale prices have to do with anything seeing that means the shop is paying a good amount of money up front to end up with parts collecting dust on the shelf till it actually sells. There are shipping charges and Paypal/CC charges that have to be added in to the cost of the parts which really makes what looked like a good profit to one that is actually very small.

If you dont like stuff a shop sells there is a simple solution, dont buy from them and move on. lol

BTW if someone gets something for $300 and sells it for $400 they are making a whole $50 once shipping costs to get the part to them and PP/CC charges on the customers payment are factored in.

I know this, I'm just trying to throw all the cards on the table for argument sake just in case others find interest in this. Don't take me the wrong way mike, friendly arguments are needed every once and while. [:)]

Jkilla71
03-12-2012, 06:44 PM
I have been running that same intercooler for 4 years, install is as easy as an intercooler could be on an A4. Good product, needs a little dremel around the lower grille and the 1 of the 3 lower grilles fit back in place but I don't have any in.(see profile picture) GIAC PC-16 Setup