Someone explain the appeal of the Flat-bottomed Steering Wheel

[Lazy Dog]

I've read about people sparing no expense to add these to their B8's. I know that the new S4's will come with these from the factory, but I don't see what all the hype is about. I like having a round-bottom steering wheel for normal and "spirited" driving. I can lift my legs slightly to support the steering wheel if necessary. Also, while turning beyond 45 degrees, the round wheel is uniform and tracks through my fingers nicely. Is there a specific reason why these would be preferred for competitive tracking? I'm not trying to intentionally bash anyone who has done this to their car, but what exactly do people like about these things?

[jamesj2k]

I have no idea..I don't get it either

[Blake P]

It transforms the whole look and feel of the cabin. You wouldn't understand unless you've experienced it...

[audinepa]

Not sure either, different tastes create different looks whatever make all of us happy when modding but to each his/her own, ok with stock steering wheel for now.

[Lazy Dog]

It transforms the whole look and feel of the cabin. You wouldn't understand unless you've experienced it...

...so basically looks and not necessarily function.

[helix139]

Slightly easier entry and exit would be my guess.

[CONTROL TWO]

because racecar

[Blake P]

...so basically looks and not necessarily function.

If you're asking whether it will make your car faster or handle better, the answer is NO. If you're asking whether I think it's worth it, the answer is HELL YES. The steering wheel is one of the few things on your car that you are constantly using, and having a nice looking/feeling wheel in your hands makes the driving experience that much better (for me, anyway). It's not necessarily the fact that the bottom is flat, but that just makes it look cooler, IMHO.

[dgszweda]

This falls almost into the same category as to why everyone wants a slammed car with concave wheels.

[Blake P]

This falls almost into the same category as to why everyone wants a slammed car with concave wheels.

You're on the right track... it is the exact reason why we mod our cars in the first place: individual preferences and priorities!

[PsYkHoTiK]

because racecar

This.

Damn, my car is not racecar...

[throwaway1]

It depends on what you value in a car. If you are like me and are incapable of seeing the beauty of an object if it does not serve a useful purpose, then the flat bottomed steering wheel won't appeal to you. The S4 is not a cramped car with very low seating and steering wheel, so the flat bottom serves no purpose. If you value looks more than performance though, then you will like it, along with large rear spacers and staggered heavy wheels.

[Lazy Dog]

Remember, I'm not bashing customization of our cars at all. I mod almost every car I buy. However, I see a lot of people upgrading to BBK's, ECU tunes, Alu Kreuz and other items that are specific performance upgrades. I was just wondering what camp the flat-bottomed steering wheel fell into. I was just wondering if there was some sort of a performance explanation of the flat-bottomed steering wheel from some of our competitive weekend drivers that post here.

[Brick Oven]

For me it's more about the thicker, better contoured wheel that's smaller in diameter than it is necessarily about the flat bottom. The hand feel between it and the stock wheel is a night and day difference. I also like the fact that in spirited driving I have a landmark for my hands to find that tells me the orientation of the wheel. That it looks super cool is a bonus.

I don't think it's quite fair lumping it in with purely aesthetic mods that will in fact hinder your performance. It's more of an experiential thing than something you can quantify with lap times. I'm no faster or slower around a course with the flat bottom wheel but if I enjoy interacting with the car more because of it then it's worth it to me.

[Jupiteraudi]

Slightly easier entry and exit would be my guess.

^^ this. With my seat position a flat bottom would help exit and entry. The flat bottom wheels tend to be thicker than those you see being swapped with the addition of colored stitching/options. Some are also contoured more agressively around the hand postions.

I like them but don't own one as I can't justify the cost as I prefer more of an increase in function than looks. If it added 30 whp, I'd but one in a heartbeat!

[Tifosi]

On the street, it will serve as much purpose as the Supercharge badges does for the car.

[nowclickthis]

I know that the new S4's will come with these from the factory, but I don't see what all the hype is about.

Not in the US they don't.


For me it's more about the thicker, better contoured wheel that's smaller in diameter than it is necessarily about the flat bottom. The hand feel between it and the stock wheel is a night and day difference. I also like the fact that in spirited driving I have a landmark for my hands to find that tells me the orientation of the wheel. That it looks super cool is a bonus.

I don't think it's quite fair lumping it in with purely aesthetic mods that will in fact hinder your performance. It's more of an experiential thing than something you can quantify with lap times. I'm no faster or slower around a course with the flat bottom wheel but if I enjoy interacting with the car more because of it then it's worth it to me.

+1. You have no idea how much more enjoyable the car is to drive compared to the ropey, wide steering wheel that at least the 2010-2012 cars come with. Having the "landmark" on the wheel actually is really nice for handling after you get used to it. I'd find it hard to believe someone wouldn't be able to adjust. For me, the flat bottom was a plus because I can keep the wheel lower without having to raise it for entry/egress and not have to worry about scraping up the leather.


^^ this. With my seat position a flat bottom would help exit and entry. The flat bottom wheels tend to be thicker than those you see being swapped with the addition of colored stitching/options. Some are also contoured more agressively around the hand postions.

+1.

[fatboyj711]

Mostly aesthetic but there are small functional benefits such as a thicker, more contoured wheel and air leather depending on which wheel you choose. With that said, the functional benefits can be achieved at a fraction of the cost of any flat bottom wheel with the RS5 wheel since you can reuse your S4 (or Sline) airbag, but that's where preference kicks in.

[evanstonjohn]

I just think they look cool and different. I may eventually spring for one but am having a hard time justifying it in my mind as it would then become the second most expensive mod for my car second only to the exhaust. It is a good thing we don't have to build our own car using individual parts, it would probably cost over $120,000. I think that is why we get better and better deals on the cars since parts and service are so expensive afterwards.

[NWS4Guy]

On the street, it will serve as much purpose as the Supercharge badges does for the car.

I makes it go faster?

It's because it's something you didn't have and others don't have, so another way to stand out and be different.

[Seinsmeld13]

It transforms the whole look and feel of the cabin. You wouldn't understand unless you've experienced it...


I agree 100%. I have one in my GTI, it looks and feels great. Having said that I wouldn't pay hundreds to replace the stock wheel.

[nowclickthis]

This.

Damn, my car is not racecar...

Right. Just like the R8 and TT RS. [rolleyes]

[nick71692]

i think more than just the flat bottom, our wheel in general leaves a lot to be desired. I much prefer the steering wheel in MKVI GTI over ours!

[tryengel]

Slightly easier entry and exit would be my guess.
I did the swap and this is the only real benefit I can see. It does make ingress and egress easier. The feel of the cabin is different with the flat-bottomed steering wheel; not better, just different. Worth it? There are numerous upgrades that would provide more "bang for the buck" but I personally don't regret getting the steering wheel because of the ease of entering the car. I have the OE wheel with less then a 1,000 mi on it, with airbag, if anyone one is interested - really cheap.

[ahcow]

I see some appeal in it, but not enough to make me want to go through the trouble and cost to get it. I tried it on the TT-S, for that car, flat bottom is needed to make it easier to get in and out of car. I don't have that problem with the S4 and if I do make the change, I might go for one that's thicker, but not necessary flat bottom. Thicker feels better on my hands, flat bottom doesn't for me.

[zerinA4]

Had one in my 2008 TT and didn't care one way or another. I don't understand the fascination.

[socfan12]

For me, it's not cosmetic, it's tactile. Flat bottom tend to be thicker than stock. Love the feel of the thicker steering wheel in the hands. Even got it in smooth leather to keep with the understated look of the car. Just wish it was heated for the price![>_>]

[MadConan]

Why a flat bottom steering wheel?

It looks sportier.
It feels better.
It leads to better hand position while driving.


I do not have one and probably never will because I'm not about to pay $1000+ for a steering wheel - at least not one of the OEM ones (the BEST professional racing wheels don't cost that much - not including F1 wheels which cost 10x more, but those are more computer than steering wheel). If the prices were more realistic, I'd buy one in a heartbeat.

[tomh009]

For me it's more about the thicker, better contoured wheel that's smaller in diameter than it is necessarily about the flat bottom. The hand feel between it and the stock wheel is a night and day difference. I also like the fact that in spirited driving I have a landmark for my hands to find that tells me the orientation of the wheel. That it looks super cool is a bonus.

I don't think it's quite fair lumping it in with purely aesthetic mods that will in fact hinder your performance. It's more of an experiential thing than something you can quantify with lap times. I'm no faster or slower around a course with the flat bottom wheel but if I enjoy interacting with the car more because of it then it's worth it to me.

Exactly this.

It's the thick wheel with big thumb grips that makes all the difference. The flat bottom looks cool but I would have happily bought the same wheel even if didn't have a flat bottom.

[tomh009]

On the street, it will serve as much purpose as the Supercharge badges does for the car.

You hold the supercharged badges while you are driving?!?!? I certainly grip my steering wheel while I'm driving ... [confused]

[ilspazzaneve]

Finally found some solid answers to the question.


...the whole look and feel...You wouldn't understand unless you've experienced it...

....tracks through my fingers nicely....

...so basically looks and not necessarily function.

Slightly easier entry and exit would be my guess.

This falls almost into the same category as to why everyone wants a slam...

...the flat bottom serves no purpose. If you value looks more than performance though, then you will like it, along with large rear spacers...

...The hand feel between it ... I have a landmark for my hands to find that tells me the orientation ...That it looks super cool is a bonus.

...I'd find it hard to believe someone wouldn't be able to adjust. For me, the flat bottom was a plus ...without having to raise it for entry/egress and not have to worry about scraping up the leather.

It does make ingress and egress easier.

I see some appeal in it....I might go for one that's thicker, but not necessary flat bottom. Thicker feels better on my hands, flat bottom doesn't for me.

[svander]

Sportier wheel is definitely a great mod. Worth it IMO, within reason. I wouldn't pay more than $800 for one.

[ENV²]

I want one for the thickness feel. I love /M wheels because they are thicker and smaller in diameter they feel better. Flat bottom or not the thick wheel is better

[Ynnekdude]

because racecar

Yup. [up]

[cNEGOTIATOR]

I always thought it was for the passengers convenience. Easier access when receiving road-head.

[Thomas@TAI-VW]

FASHION

[Psalm40]

I want one for the thickness feel. I love /M wheels because they are thicker and smaller in diameter they feel better. Flat bottom or not the thick wheel is better

I want one, but haven't splurged due to the extreme price tag. Both my wife and I LOVE the M wheel in our 135....which is surprising, because her favorite automotive feature is usually how many kids she can haul on field trips while still being able to park at the tennis center...I digress....I really like the feel of the thicker wheel, the S4 has been a disappointment in the steering wheel category.

[Eweezy27]

I wouldn't trade mine for anything. One of my favorite mods and I am Stage II+ dropped on wheels and all. The wheels looks great with the white sticking and I like the contrast of the air leather with the smooth leather. I like the fact that the wheel is thicker and its now easier to turn once you get used to it I sold my OEM S4 to a guy with a B7 A4 and he loves it. I think he paid $800 which brought the cost down significantly.

All of the people that say it serves as much as the supercharger badge or this or that has no idea what this mod can mean to a person. It was worth every penny IMO. That being said spend your money how you want but if you buy it and really don't like it i'm about positive you can sell i and get most of your total cost. Doesn't matter cause you will love it, that wheel is what comes on the real Audis!

[Chestlock]

Personally not for me. I do like the way too overpriced look of it, but, I dunno, too pretend-a-racecar IMO. You're not sitting in an open-wheel single-seater, or even a tight cockpit. The thickness is huge though - if I modded mine, I'd just get a thicker conventional, and maybe very slightly smaller diameter wheel

[Wah]

It transforms the whole look and feel of the cabin. You wouldn't understand unless you've experienced it...

If you're asking whether I think it's worth it, the answer is HELL YES.

For me it's more about the thicker, better contoured wheel that's smaller in diameter than it is necessarily about the flat bottom. The hand feel between it and the stock wheel is a night and day difference.

+1

The feel of a smaller, thicker wheel is just phenomenal in comparison with the stock wheel. As Blake said, the wheel is the one thing in the car that you are constantly using which imo makes this mod one of the most meaningful mods out there.
When you turn the wheel and grab the flat-bottom part of it - its a cool feeling.

The only way to really get a sense of what it feels like is to actually drive a car with a flat-bottom wheel for a day or two. You will really appreciate it then.

And those wheels are expensive... but OH SO WORTH IT.

[svander]

Personally not for me. I do like the way too overpriced look of it, but, I dunno, too pretend-a-racecar IMO. You're not sitting in an open-wheel single-seater, or even a tight cockpit. The thickness is huge though - if I modded mine, I'd just get a thicker conventional, and maybe very slightly smaller diameter wheel

Ironically, thicker non-flat OEM Audi wheels are a lot cheaper...like in the $600 range... ;)

[ibiski]

Ironically, thicker non-flat OEM Audi wheels are a lot cheaper...like in the $600 range... ;)

it's probably because unlike with flat bottomed wheels, you can reuse your stock airbag.

[tomh009]

I want one, but haven't splurged due to the extreme price tag. Both my wife and I LOVE the M wheel in our 135....which is surprising, because her favorite automotive feature is usually how many kids she can haul on field trips while still being able to park at the tennis center...I digress....I really like the feel of the thicker wheel, the S4 has been a disappointment in the steering wheel category.

Back in the 80s, I would readily pay around $400 for a Momo steering wheel (including the hub adapter) - and my wife wanted one, too. That stopped in the mid-90s with the introduction of the airbags, so this is my first airbag-equipped custom wheel.

But cost: that $400 was about 3% of the cost of my '86 GTI. And 3% of the cost of the S4 ... yes, that bought me one of the lovely TT-RS wheels. No performance improvement, but I feel happy every time I sit in the car and grip it.

[CBRmatt600]

Apparently I am one of the few who is perfectly satisfied with the shape and thickness of the stock steering wheel. I think it was a big improvement over my B7, which had a steering wheel that was way too thin. The B8 steering wheel is not as thick as some of the M wheels I have experienced, but I think it is perfectly suitable for spirited driving. I have never had an issue with knowing what position my hands were on the wheel, considering that you are looking at the road and should know what direction you are turning in. I can see the aesthetic appeal and if you have the disposable cash to blow on something cosmetic, go for it. However I can think of a lot of other things I'd rather spend $1200 on.

[Seinsmeld13]

i think more than just the flat bottom, our wheel in general leaves a lot to be desired. I much prefer the steering wheel in MKVI GTI over ours!

Not just the steering wheel, the shifter and metal trim shame the S4 which is very cheap in comparison.

[tomh009]

Not just the steering wheel, the shifter and metal trim shame the S4 which is very cheap in comparison.

I'm actually quite happy with the shifter. The durability of the aluminium trim around the shifter is still an open question for me, though.

[catch]

all the reasons above are true, its about driving feel... i prefer a thicker wheel, and i love the look of flat bottom

[DATZ]

Not just the steering wheel, the shifter and metal trim shame the S4 which is very cheap in comparison.

You should get some sort of award for being the whiniest person on the entire internet.

[PSXBatou]

The only real purpose for such wheels are imo for low seating cars. Years ago when I had a 360 Modena I had a steering wheel very similar to this one http://www.teamspeed.com/forums/458-430-360/61535-carbon-sport-flat-bottom-steering-wheel-modena.html I bought it because it made getting in and out of the car easier, the carbon fiber added to the looks factor, but ultimately it was to make entering and exiting the vehicle easier for me.

The S4 isn't very low as far as seating goes, I can get in and out of the car without the steering wheel interfering much. I can see aesthetically where it could make a difference, but imo its not worth the price. I wish Audi would have put more carbon fiber in the car, I love the carbon fiber trim package but adding some to the wheel and around the nav would have been nice. I'm sure there are kits out there, I just haven't looked hard enough.

Just my .02, to each their own [:)]

[Seinsmeld13]

You should get some sort of award for being the whiniest person on the entire internet.
Thanks Datz, at least Tom agreed with methe metal trim as have others. I see you were happy with your shift knob. I'll take your award.

[ilspazzaneve]

^^^ You're not even close to winning that award, you're all right. There are a few tuneless wonders here that are gunning for the top spot.

[tomh009]

The S4 isn't very low as far as seating goes, I can get in and out of the car without the steering wheel interfering much. I can see aesthetically where it could make a difference, but imo its not worth the price. I wish Audi would have put more carbon fiber in the car, I love the carbon fiber trim package but adding some to the wheel and around the nav would have been nice. I'm sure there are kits out there, I just haven't looked hard enough.

Me, I'd rather spend $1000 on a steering wheel that's thick and well-contoured than $500 (plus whatever the cost of the aftermarket kits) for carbon fibre.


Just my .02, to each their own [:)]

And that's it, really. I understand others like carbon fibre (or whatever) better than steering wheels, I'm not going to slam their choices.

[tribe]

I understand the flat bottom wheel with a MT but with the s-tronic and the stock wheel I can drive with my knee with a donut in the left hand and a cup of joe in the right[s4]

[audiblitz]

Is it possible to replace the shifter on the S-Tronic?

It is a horrible slushstick, that you would find on an Accord or Camry and not a car in this class. The 2013 shifter looks 10000x better. Can it be easily swapped in?

[tomh009]

Yes. The facelift shifter fits, too:

http://data.motor-talk.de/data/galleries/0/127/2039/42950293/dsc01734-kopie-1485849054439005902.JPG

[mhs525]

Yes. The facelift shifter fits, too:

http://data.motor-talk.de/data/galleries/0/127/2039/42950293/dsc01734-kopie-1485849054439005902.JPG

Love the shifter and flat bottomed wheels. Definitely on my "save up for list". There are some great parts for our cars I am interested in, flat bottomed wheel, matching shifter, exhaust, RS pedals, carbon finer lips and diffusers. SO MANY ways to spend money!!!. And there is my sons college tuition... [headbang].

All is not lost... I do have the supercharged badges, the black S4 grill (with looks fantastic on my black car) and BBS CH wheels and SS brake lines that arrived last week.

[MadConan]

Yes. The facelift shifter fits, too:

http://data.motor-talk.de/data/galleries/0/127/2039/42950293/dsc01734-kopie-1485849054439005902.JPGThat is nice. Any idea what it goes for?

[pepsiguy]

Slightly easier entry and exit would be my guess.

So fat people like it ? [:D]

[Beast]

looks better

[Tracker_168]

I never saw the appeal of a Flat bottom steering wheel either. The only functional enhancement is that it is thicker. The racecar argument is...well, I suspect or at least hope you're joking...because a) the only S4 race car (APRs) has a round wheel and b) flat bottom wheels are mimicking the likes of F1 and the LeMans Prototype cars in which the wheel doesn't turn past 90 degrees.

Also, if you're steering wheel is so low that it interferes with your steering because it hits your legs, its probably not the most ideal driving position anyway.

[MadConan]

I never saw the appeal of a Flat bottom steering wheel either. The only functional enhancement is that it is thicker. The racecar argument is...well, I suspect or at least hope you're joking...because a) the only S4 race car (APRs) has a round wheel and b) flat bottom wheels are mimicking the likes of F1 and the LeMans Prototype cars in which the wheel doesn't turn past 90 degrees.

Also, if you're steering wheel is so low that it interferes with your steering because it hits your legs, its probably not the most ideal driving position anyway.To address the text in bold, while it may be true that APR is the only team racing specifically an S4, know that there are other teams around the world racing the B8 chassis. BRT for instance. (http://www.brt.cz/index-en.html) Also note that they are using a two handled steering wheel - - less there than a 270 round.

I agree that for a street car (especially a full size sedan), there really isn't much functional purpose to having a flat bottomed wheel .... for MOST people. However, there would be benefit for those with very long legs as it would give a little more clearance. But you really can't argue with anyone's subjective evaluation of the looks (ok, you CAN but it's pretty pointless).

[dgszweda]

Yes. The facelift shifter fits, too:

http://data.motor-talk.de/data/galleries/0/127/2039/42950293/dsc01734-kopie-1485849054439005902.JPG

Who is selling this?

[helix139]

So fat people like it ? [:D]

Or long-legged people. I'm 6'4 and a flat-bottomed wheel would be nice. Not worth nearly $2000 though when there are things like BBKs, coils, sways, CPS, and pulley to be had, though.

[Tracker_168]

To address the text in bold, while it may be true that APR is the only team racing specifically an S4, know that there are other teams around the world racing the B8 chassis. BRT for instance. (http://www.brt.cz/index-en.html) Also note that they are using a two handled steering wheel - - less there than a 270 round.

I agree that for a street car (especially a full size sedan), there really isn't much functional purpose to having a flat bottomed wheel .... for MOST people. However, there would be benefit for those with very long legs as it would give a little more clearance. But you really can't argue with anyone's subjective evaluation of the looks (ok, you CAN but it's pretty pointless).

I agree that its pointless to argue asthetics. I'm talking about function of a flat-bottomed wheel in our cars.

However, I would argue that in your BRT example, a DTM car has as much in common with a B8 Audi as a NASCAR car has in common with its production counterpart.

My point still stands and I think most people, including those with flat-bottomed wheels, agree it does not enhance the "steering" in any way on a street car. The enhanced feel comes from the contour and grip size but not the "flatness" of its bottom. To me, in any situation were you need to go hand over hand, a steering wheel with a uniform shape (ie circle) and texture (ie: no metal or CF parts etc) would be even slightly better/smoother.

[tomh009]

My point still stands and I think most people, including those with flat-bottomed wheels, agree it does not enhance the "steering" in any way on a street car. The enhanced feel comes from the contour and grip size but not the "flatness" of its bottom.

I have no argument at all with this.

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Dgszweda- Available here and comes with a shift boot, knob not sold separately. The boot comes with silver or black stitching. Also comes in smooth leather if needed.

Flat-bottom wheels are mostly about the thickness and shape of the wheel where your hands grip compared to factory round wheels. Some folks like these for the flat-bottom style, but since 98% or possibly more of the flat-bottom sales are of the thickest and most contoured type I'd say it's mostly about the thickness and the flat portion comes along for the ride.

[OhioRs4]

The flat bottom wheel / euro wheel will make a differnce on how the car feels at least with the b7 rs4. The wheels a smaller diameter which makes the cars turning feel heavier and gives u a lil more talk back from the road. The flat bottom corner gives u a good subconscious memory of where ur at on the wheel as well.

[achilleas101]

first, a couple people said that the flat bottom doesn't come standard now, but um, yeah it does, at least in the US. I have a 13 and didn't pay a dime for the flat bottom wheel. If i didn't have it stock, i wouldn't pay $1k or whatever for it.

Now, as to the appeal. Personally, the looks like i like, functionality of the FLAT BOTTOM itself is negligible. after getting used to it (at first i didn't like it at all during hand over hand turning), it is a nice point of reference.

I DO like the thicker and more aggressive grip, along with the smaller diameter. but if you have those with a round bottom, i'm not sure i'd miss the flat bottom.

As for egress/regress, people with thick legs are the ones that benefit. a friend of mine who is rather hefty got in the car and immediately commented on it.

[shonseb]

The flat bottom wheels were designed to give more room for the driver to perform heel-toe shifting maneuvers.

[ahcow]

first, a couple people said that the flat bottom doesn't come standard now, but um, yeah it does, at least in the US. I have a 13 and didn't pay a dime for the flat bottom wheel. If i didn't have it stock, i wouldn't pay $1k or whatever for it.


This thread is over a year old, 13's weren't out yet. Some random guy raised it from the dead from some odd reason, especially since he doesn't even own a B8 or B8.5

[dparm]

I've read about people sparing no expense to add these to their B8's. I know that the new S4's will come with these from the factory, but I don't see what all the hype is about. I like having a round-bottom steering wheel for normal and "spirited" driving. I can lift my legs slightly to support the steering wheel if necessary. Also, while turning beyond 45 degrees, the round wheel is uniform and tracks through my fingers nicely. Is there a specific reason why these would be preferred for competitive tracking? I'm not trying to intentionally bash anyone who has done this to their car, but what exactly do people like about these things?

I'm with you man. I drove a 2013 before settling on my 2011, and I didn't like the flat-bottom wheel. Yes it looks cool, but I found it awkward to use.

I much prefer the original RS5 "thick" round steering wheel, and I would've swapped it had I not sold the car:

http://www.automobilebox.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/2011-Audi-RS5-Coupe-2.jpg

[drob23]

I know for limit handling training they are pretty adamant about car control coming out of wheel lockup. You're supposed to always keep one hand at the initial 10/2 position while turning (which is not intuitive) so that you can re-center before regaining traction during a slide. The flat bottom would also be a nice indicator that the wheels are indeed straight if you lose one of your reference hand positions. Not that this matters for every day driving...maybe if you lost control in the snow?

[achilleas101]

This thread is over a year old, 13's weren't out yet. Some random guy raised it from the dead from some odd reason, especially since he doesn't even own a B8 or B8.5

huh... somehow didn't catch that.

[brokes4]

I love my flat bottom steering wheel!!! [:)]

[rs4dreams]

I am tall (6'5") so the flat bottom is somewhat helpful for getting in/out and left foot braking. In reality, I don't really care about the flat bottom as much as I like how it's small diameter and thick. Gives me better control and feel because I can hold it just perfectly at 9 and 3 without getting tired.

[b6onboost]

I also found the flat bottom wheel awakward when turing the wheel more than 90 degrees, which happens a lot on a street car.

I'm of the opinion that the appeal is primarily 'because racecar'. They'd still be in high demand even if they were the same size/thickness as stock. Its primarily for the look, they're unique and sporty so people love them.

[Pilfer]

I always thought it was for the passengers convenience. Easier access when receiving road-head.

Best reason so far. The flat bottom wheel is very comfortable to hold and I've noticed myself holding the wheel with two hands predominately since I've had my car. The facelift S4 wheel is substantially thicker than the one in the S6 which I thought to be strange. I would have expected all S and RS model steering wheels to have the same thickness regardless if flat bottom or not.

[MrFunk]

LOLOLOLOLOL!
Just go test drive one with the new wheel and see for yourself.

[SE-Chris]

Did anyone ask a counter question?


Someone explain the appeal of slamming your car to the ground, cambering your rims, and driving around with the look as if someone was pushing down on top of your car at all times? Which, btw makes it so you can no longer hit a bump anywhere, get up a curb/driveway, or take a corner at any reasonable speed....

[Motoduc]

The flat bottom wheels were designed to give more room for the driver to perform heel-tow shifting maneuvers.

I think it's crazy that in a performance car forum it took that long for someone to post the correct answer. Yes, it was standard in my '13 S4. Love the forum and my S4.

[Kandiru]

The R8 V10 for me, the lamexxx dwarf hand grip not for 6'4" XXL glove wearing gorillas
like the undersigned here:
http://pages.suddenlink.net/bobpaule/IMG_3073.JPG

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Best reason so far. The flat bottom wheel is very comfortable to hold and I've noticed myself holding the wheel with two hands predominately since I've had my car. The facelift S4 wheel is substantially thicker than the one in the S6 which I thought to be strange. I would have expected all S and RS model steering wheels to have the same thickness regardless if flat bottom or not.

With the stock Allroad wheel I found I didn't hold the wheel with two hands or feel compelled or comfortable with doing so. The thickness and contour just makes it so easy to drive with both hands at all times. Audi really needs to do a thicker round wheel for the S models.


Did anyone ask a counter question?

Someone explain the appeal of slamming your car to the ground, cambering your rims, and driving around with the look as if someone was pushing down on top of your car at all times? Which, btw makes it so you can no longer hit a bump anywhere, get up a curb/driveway, or take a corner at any reasonable speed....

Because awesome...

http://www.europrice.us/Allroad/allroadt.jpg

Then again this is purely for enjoyment and appearance, though it does have surprisingly good ground clearance for how low it is. It can also take a corner as it would at stock height and has Ohlins that are not fully being utilized to their potential[:D]

[S4morris]

I'm guessing if you end up getting a B8.5 at any point you'll have no problem swapping it with a B8 owner, lol.


I have a 13 so I have it. I think it looks great especially with the contrast stitching and it definitely feels good. Now, would I spend 1k plus if I had a B8 to get it? Not a chance, but I have it and I'm certainly glad I do.

[S4J]

Off topic, do tell what wheels and specs please. Because awesome.


Because awesome...

http://www.europrice.us/Allroad/allroadt.jpg

Then again this is purely for enjoyment and appearance, though it does have surprisingly good ground clearance for how low it is. It can also take a corner as it would at stock height and has Ohlins that are not fully being utilized to their potential[:D][/QUOTE]

[PitchS4]

That is like asking someone to explain the appeal of having sex. Until you have experienced it yourself no one can really help you understand it.

[benben01]

An alternative... http://www.dallassteeringwheel.com

My last two cars, I had the steering wheels rewrapped with extra padding in leather and Alcantera like AMG wheels . ~$400 it's custom, reasonable, and fast turnaround (1 week shipping included).

My 2009 RX8

http://i46.tinypic.com/2ir7jbk.jpg

http://i45.tinypic.com/24v2qrp.jpg

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Off topic, do tell what wheels and specs please. Because awesome.


Because awesome...

http://www.europrice.us/Allroad/allroadt.jpg

Then again this is purely for enjoyment and appearance, though it does have surprisingly good ground clearance for how low it is. It can also take a corner as it would at stock height and has Ohlins that are not fully being utilized to their potential[:D][/QUOTE]

Rotiform LVS 20x10.5"
Three Piece, Concave Center, 2" Step Lip

Wheels could be done in something a tad narrower for the S4 B8 and B8.5 body or with similar specs for the new RS4. If anyone needs help with these or other Rotiform wheels don't hesitate to pop over a PM or email. Also have a couple flat-bottom wheels handy if anyone needs one[cool]

Cheers!

[benben01]

Alex, how much for the flat bottom steering wheel?

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Alex, how much for the flat bottom steering wheel?

You've got many options and the costs will vary:

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/544206-Flat-Bottom-Steering-Wheel-Packages

Stay tuned on that thread as some new offerings are coming up today as well!

Cheers,

[benben01]

Thanks for the link Alex. Adding it to my bday wish list

[will13k7]

I drove a B8.5 S4 as a loner car for a day, although I like the look of the flat bottom, it just left too much of a gap between the bottom of the wheel and my legs due to it being both smaller and flat bottom. In my Wife's 2012 C350, the whole dashboard is much lower, so this car's flat bottom steering wheel fits, like the car's dash was designed with it in mind instead of retrofitted later as an afterthought. Since I'm 5'7 and like to have the seat in its lowest position, it just leaves too much of a gap between my legs and the bottom of the wheel for me, looks nice though! [:)]

[Wilbur]

Slightly easier entry and exit would be my guess.

F1/Indy car uses them so the steering wheel can be mounted lower. Only visual in our cars. Harder to steer with legs now!

[westwest888]

I don't think it would make any difference on a racetrack because your hands never move from 9 and 3. All the turns are relatively wide - no hand over hand movement.

I thought it was for style, and for very overweight people to get in the car.

[shonseb]

The flat bottom wheels were designed to give more room for the driver to perform heel-toe shifting maneuvers.


I think it's crazy that in a performance car forum it took that long for someone to post the correct answer. Yes, it was standard in my '13 S4. Love the forum and my S4.

Should I be surprised that only one other person on the forum actually read the other posts?

[phanker]

For daily use, I actually prefer it. Not so sure how it will fair on the track though. Will find out soon enough.

Upsides:

- Looks cool / feels great
- Easy in/out
- I can comfortably rest my hands on the flat bottom part while cruising
- It gives me more leverage/grip too on certain tight turns

Downside

- Can't steer with my knees anymore when both hands are needed for whatever

[feelgood13]

I've read about people sparing no expense to add these to their B8's. I know that the new S4's will come with these from the factory, but I don't see what all the hype is about. I like having a round-bottom steering wheel for normal and "spirited" driving. I can lift my legs slightly to support the steering wheel if necessary. Also, while turning beyond 45 degrees, the round wheel is uniform and tracks through my fingers nicely. Is there a specific reason why these would be preferred for competitive tracking? I'm not trying to intentionally bash anyone who has done this to their car, but what exactly do people like about these things?

I think it's Audi's way of catering to fat ppl.

[Buckeye_S4]

I think it's Audi's way of catering to fat ppl.

More like PHAT people.
Tss tss.

[stoked_S4]

Flat bottom is actually useful to me. I live in a hi-rise building with a garage and park on 5th floor. I get a good grip on the corner where flat becomes round on the steering wheel when making 90 degree turns between floors. I make the turns using only one hand on the wheel.

[RickFLS4]

I think it's Audi's way of catering to fat ppl.

Perhaps - and certainly tall and / or fat people should like it - but it seems even more beneficial to short people that need to put the seat all the way up or sit on a phone book so there is less room to slide their little legs in.

[In2Bate]

It looks cool to me.
The corners serve as tactile landmarks for my hands when turning.
Greater variety of hand positions when cruising.

[Stevos555]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/18/ahavevu7.jpg
Perhaps it's also the customization of your wheel with 2 reference points for track days when you do wish your car was a "race" car.


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[fast_furious]

literally the only reason is to make it seem more sporty..... just another way to set it aside from an a4. Seriously, think about it

[rs4dreams]

I don't think it would make any difference on a racetrack because your hands never move from 9 and 3. All the turns are relatively wide - no hand over hand movement.

I thought it was for style, and for very overweight people to get in the car.

Flat-bottom actually makes hand-over-hand slightly more annoying. The B8.5 flat-bottom wheel in particular has a great 9 and 3 position, much better than the older steering wheel. It's thicker, smaller, and more contoured. I don't care about the flat bottom one way or the other... I just like the shape/size of the wheel.

[MHSFBay]

I always thought it was for the passengers convenience. Easier access when receiving road-head.

X4 !!!!

That is what I first thought --


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[raudiace4]

When I had the '14 loaner s4, the flat bottom steering wheel was the only thing I wanted more than anything out of that car compared to my 12'. Its feels better in your hand, and makes you want to drive more spiritedly idk. It's wierd. If it wasn't so expensive I would have gotten it.

[b6onboost]

Concur with because racecar.

You can justify some other benefits, but if it wasnt flat on the bottom for that race look very few people would spend the money to upgrade. I agree it looks sporty, but id still prefer a round wheel.

[doug97gxe]

It transforms the whole look and feel of the cabin. You wouldn't understand unless you've experienced it...

i have one and i still don't understand it

[d.p]

I honestly think its just so Audi and owners can say "flat bottom steering wheel." IE it serves no purpose whatsoever.

[Shimmy]

shameless plug

someone sell me their flatbottom

[SteveYem]

I like my B8.5 steering wheel more than my old B8 wheel, but it's more for the grip diameter than it is for the flat-bottom. I don't know whether the diameter of the wheel itself is different. Aesthetically, I prefer the round centerpiece on the B8.5 wheel over the oblong center on the B8.

[Trevor08]

It looks really cool.

[dropshadow]

shameless plug

someone sell me their flatbottom

I just bought one today on eBay. The prices are coming down, and you can find them with an airbag. Look for listings by Sat_Nav_Deals (http://www.ebay.com/usr/sat_nav_deals) and parts4europeancar (http://www.ebay.com/usr/parts4europeancar). I bought an RS4 FBSW from the latter.

[RacrX]

Thicker grip feels better in the hands IMO, better ergonomic grips by the paddle shifters on some of them for use at the track...take a look at these guys, they make some nice ones for not a massive heap of money:

http://www.dctms.com/

[jygesq]

It is not just the flat bottom, it is the way yours hands fit on the wheel, perfect 9 -3 o'clock , but more there is flat spot on the wheels just below those positions, your hands just lay there perfectly as well, and the diameter is just so right.

[Stevos555]

Thicker grip feels better in the hands IMO, better ergonomic grips by the paddle shifters on some of them for use at the track...take a look at these guys, they make some nice ones for not a massive heap of money:

http://www.dctms.com/

You call $1800 per wheel not "massive " heap of money?

Most paid under $500 for these custom wheels. I know I did.

[MerkurRS]

I honestly think its just so Audi and owners can say "flat bottom steering wheel." IE it serves no purpose whatsoever.

I was in this camp for a while, until "the one" showed up on AZ classified and I jumped on it for the sake of upgrading it. Boy am I a believer!!!
The fatter wheel itself is a great reason to swap, it just feels so good in my hands![drool] For me, red threads (to match my upgraded shift boot) and extended paddles were all benefits too...but the smaller diameter and thicker wheel is a huge improvement.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-GF0V9HMOd8E/VEbT6DkuSCI/AAAAAAAAOto/cBCdSRLY4LY/w1534-h865-no/IMAG2991.jpg

[doug97gxe]

It is not just the flat bottom, it is the way yours hands fit on the wheel, perfect 9 -3 o'clock , but more there is flat spot on the wheels just below those positions, your hands just lay there perfectly as well, and the diameter is just so right.

don't you mean 10 - 2 ?

[mr shickadance]

don't you mean 10 - 2 ?

first, holy thread revival.

second, when racing, it;s better to have them at 9-3

[GTItoS4]

Not sure if it was mentioned elsewhere in this old thread... But the flat section on the wheel also gives MT drivers a little more knee room to get their right foot in position to heel and toe.

[kasher_khan]

+1 in favor of the flatbottom

In all honesty it is my fav feature on my 13 s4 (now almost 21/2 years old). The one thing I don't like about the F80 M steering is how the thumb grips are not natural and go over the concave plastic piece with the steering wheel mounted controls. Can't believe how no one at bimmerpost seems to have a problem with that. I am going to miss this steering wheel. Even the 981 steering didn't feel as good.

[doug97gxe]

Not sure if it was mentioned elsewhere in this old thread... But the flat section on the wheel also gives MT drivers a little more knee room to get their right foot in position to heel and toe.

i only heel and toe when i'm dancing reggae

[cNEGOTIATOR]

i only heel and toe when i'm dancing reggae


I only heel and toe on Sundays: when i dress up as a Tranny... not a 6 speed or dsg tranny... a full out Tranny

[eurotic]

Not sure if it was mentioned elsewhere in this old thread... But the flat section on the wheel also gives MT drivers a little more knee room to get their right foot in position to heel and toe.

Only when going straight...or close to straight...which I guess would be most of the time if you practice the recommended teaching of braking in a straight line.

[shonseb]

I like to keep the front half of my seat by my knees fully up while the back of my seat is fully down. This reduces the space between the seat and the steering wheel. The flat bottom makes it easier getting in and out.