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A-FourLO
01-01-2012, 09:49 AM
12/9/13 - 1/8th mile run and vid in mostly stock form (post #815, page#21)
11/11/13 - "3.0 Recipe for Speed!" (post #787, page#20)
11/8/13 - Stock muffler Dyno, FWD, UBI CAI, 3" catalytic, IM spacers, 89 octane. (post # 786, page#20)
3/30/13 - Stock Corner weights, (3/4 tank & spare), True CAI built w/ MAF reloc. (post #783, page#20)
9/10/12 - UltraSport front lip install/mock up. Ready for paint. (post # 731, page#19)
8/27 - Removed sheet metal portion in front of battery for intake elbow clearance (post# 724, page#19)
8/23 - Begin Black interior conversion, E-brake handle, dead pedal (post #723, page#19)
7/21 - Dyed plastic fluid reservoir caps black (post # 719, page#18)
6/15 - Repainted front upper and lower grilles (post #657, page#17)
6/12 - Third 3" exhaust system with stainless tip & changeable test pipe (post #653, page#17)
4/18 - Modified S4 fuel rail to fit RS4 intake manifold, RS4 T/B & Manifold measurements, Airaid 3.5" heat resistant plastic intake to be built (post #640, page#16))
3/24 - Throttle body insulator gasket, Lighter battery, fresher tires, A/C bypass belt (post #586 & 593, page#15)
3/22 - 2.7 manifold dyno, power loss, w/ Video Womp Womp lol (post #563, page#15)
3/20 - Rough port matching of 2.7 manifold complete (post #502, page #13)
3/20 - Pics of Tar Removal & Monster Truck ride height after 280lbs removed! lol (post #491, page#13)
3/18 - VIDEO of 2.7 manifold sound (post #438, page#11)
3/17 - Begin porting of 2.7 Intake manifold (post #428, page#11)
3/16 - 2.7 BI-TURBO intake manifold installed and first idle test w/ VIDEO (post # 411,page#11)
3/15 - FWD CONVERSION!!, Comparison dynos', 1/4 mile, w/ VIDEOS (post #396,397,398,399, page#10)
3/12 - Creating a sealed area for intake air charge. Measured 3.0 Throttle body size (post #381, page#10)
3/09 - Heat Shield for Intake & Maintenance (Trans Fluid, Spark Plugs, Fuel Filter) (post #378, page#10)
2/29 - 1" spacers for rear tires (post#358, page#9)
2/28 - Built a Custom partial 3.5" intake (post #322, page#9)
2/24 - IMPROVED Dyno Graphs & Video, +26 awhp PEAK over stock (post #258, page#7)
2/23 - Front Brakes Overhaul, Beginning front suspension overhaul, Painted interior trim gunmetal color (post #256, page#7)
2/19 - Continuing Weight Reduction (sort of), New Aluminum interior trim to be painted (post #254, page#7)
2/12 - Found Variable Manifold was broken & choking Upper RPM's (post #242, page#7)
2/10 - IMPROVED 1/8th mile & 20-55mph 2nd gear pull times w/ Vids (post # 237, page#6)
2/4 - 3" single exhaust Version-2 w/ Take-off video (post # 172, page#5)
1/29 - Gutting cats beginnings PITA!! (post # 135, 144, & 145, 160, page#4)
1/28 - 3" single exhaust system w/ VIDEOS (post #112, page#3)
1/22 - Bentley Manual (post # 111, page#3)
1/18 - WEIGHT Reduction beginning stages (post #96, page#3)
1/13- Stock 1/8th mile results & VIDEO of Run (post #71, page #2)
1/12 - Complete Exterior Reassembly of color matched lowers & grill (post #58 & 60, page #2)
1/11 - Trunk painted & Received Complete Front Control Arm Kit (post #56 & 57, page #2)
1/2-1/7/12 - Repair 1/4 panel & Painted parts to color of car (post #37 & 39, page #1)
12/31/11 - Dynoed stock 156awhp/182awtq (post#1, page #1)
12/24/11 - Purchased the car (post#1, page #1)

This Audi A4 V6 3.0 6-speed i must say it is a very nice car with lots of potential. It has a clean title and 140k miles. I live in miami and this car was a Boston car for all of its life the owner drove down here to live and sold it to me recently. It has alot of rust underneath the car but i am slowly alleviating all of the oxidation and grime from the car as to me this is the only way to learn by taking apart cleaning and putting things back together. Ok on to the fun stuff.

Pic of stock form:
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/A4LRemblemsfar.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/A4Remblems.jpg

Removed emblems:
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/A4LRclean.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/A4Rclean.jpg

18% tints:
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/A4LFtints.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/A4LRtints.jpg

Badgeless grill:
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0626.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0627.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0628.jpg

Pic of temporary intake & engine bay:
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0611.jpg

Dyno Graph & vid:
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/A4dynostock.jpg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2fdkkG4on0

zz2h33
01-01-2012, 09:54 AM
need painted lowers. what kind of intake is that?? i'm not sure if you are aware but you are missing several covers and seals in the engine bay

A-FourLO
01-01-2012, 09:57 AM
need painted lowers. what kind of intake is that?? i'm not sure if you are aware but you are missing several covers and seals in the engine bay

yea i know i took that pic when i was workin on the engine so i removed all of that stuff but i do have all the stock pieces[up], the intake is just some spare parts i had layin around, its a blox 3 inch velocity stack with pantyhose covering it

Dan[FN]6262
01-01-2012, 10:00 AM
Now get the JHM flash and dyno again at that same dyno

A-FourLO
01-01-2012, 10:42 AM
is their flash available yet? i was looking into unitronic because there is a dealer close by my house so there would be no down time? Any input on these two?

rollerton
01-01-2012, 10:42 AM
It doesn't say 155 Max power does it? 182 Tq? God I hope not. I'm not real great at reading dyno graphs, but ...?

A-FourLO
01-01-2012, 10:57 AM
It doesn't say 155 Max power does it? 182 Tq? God I hope not. I'm not real great at reading dyno graphs, but ...?

sadly yes[headbang], but for a relatively stock car i am optimistic becuz of the strong torque graph, which brings me to a theory, arent The 3.0's rated at 220hp/220tq to the engine? so given that doesnt that mean if the engine is rated at equal horsepower and torque shouldnt it make equal numbers to the wheels? Ok so looking at my graph of 156whp/182wtq there is an approximate 29% loss of horsepower to the wheels and an approximate 17% loss of torque to the wheels. Which leads me to conclude in theory that the torque numbers of this engine are severely under rated. This engine should be rated closer to the 250tq mark becuz 30% less than 250 is 180. Thoughts?

beemercer
01-01-2012, 11:21 AM
sadly yes[headbang], but for a relatively stock car i am optimistic becuz of the strong torque graph, which brings me to a theory, arent The 3.0's rated at 220hp/220tq to the engine? so given that doesnt that mean if the engine is rated at equal horsepower and torque shouldnt it make equal numbers to the wheels? Ok so looking at my graph of 156whp/182wtq there is an approximate 29% loss of horsepower to the wheels and an approximate 17% loss of torque to the wheels. Which leads me to conclude in theory that the torque numbers of this engine are severely under rated. This engine should be rated closer to the 250tq mark becuz 30% less than 250 is 180. Thoughts?

I wouldn't assume drivetrain loss is constant at all engine speeds.

And the JHM tune should be available, lots of guys here with it-> http://*******************/forum/

sandspeed
01-01-2012, 11:51 AM
I'm gonna say you are down on power due to the worn state of the motor. 140k miles worth of worn seals and various other issues. Logging it with VAGCOM would show a lot more insight into what's going on. I'm assuming you flushed all fluids and changed the plugs, but maybe clean the injectors too? I would definitely like to see a run on that same dyno with the same conditions after you get a JHM flash. They are supposedly squeezing a lot of performance out of these engines.

meistah
01-01-2012, 12:07 PM
Would be interested to see a dyno with the JHM flash too... That being said, a healthy 3.0 should dyno around 170, so maybe focus on getting the engine healthy first. And go back to the stock intake, you're only losing power with the one you have.

meistah
01-01-2012, 02:19 PM
I stand corrected, the dyno I was thinking of was 162, thought it was 169. So 155 is reasonable. Still should go back to the stock intake, that one is just slowing you down.

Lout Jnr
01-01-2012, 04:30 PM
Intersting results there.

What year model and build date is your B6. Also you would be better going back to stock intake and doing a Zingo mod, but I see your intake takes a dive down to the bottom of the car, where is it picking up the fresh air from.

A-FourLO
01-01-2012, 06:29 PM
Would be interested to see a dyno with the JHM flash too... That being said, a healthy 3.0 should dyno around 170, so maybe focus on getting the engine healthy first. And go back to the stock intake, you're only losing power with the one you have.

wow 170? thats sounds great that lets me know i have work to do, i would say the catalytics would be the first culprit i would go for as well as the exhaust system, the exhaust is rusted out on the outside and i was able to shine a light in the mufflers and witness rust inside the mufflers as well so there has to be some heavy restriction in there will things dislodging and causing blockage of some sorts, and does anyone have any graphs from other stock 3.0's that they could post so i can compare?

A-FourLO
01-01-2012, 06:36 PM
I'm gonna say you are down on power due to the worn state of the motor. 140k miles worth of worn seals and various other issues. Logging it with VAGCOM would show a lot more insight into what's going on. I'm assuming you flushed all fluids and changed the plugs, but maybe clean the injectors too? I would definitely like to see a run on that same dyno with the same conditions after you get a JHM flash. They are supposedly squeezing a lot of performance out of these engines.

i have not done a full fluid flush yet, i got this thing last weekend christmas eve so i am doing a little bit at a time, i just really wanted to dyno so that way when i make changes i had a baseline so i know if i am doing things rite, i did change the engine oil though and gear lube. The spark plugs are audi brand and the gap is .044 which i believe is in the correct spec. I would like to do the JHM mods in the near future but like i said i have had it for only a week and need to take care of basics first. I just found the front lower control arms are shot and causing noticeable inside tire wear. One of the tires were corded. OUCH!

meistah
01-02-2012, 11:01 AM
Here's the dyno I was referring to... Torque is way lower than yours though.

http://*******************/addons/albums/images/742290107.jpg

Dan[FN]6262
01-02-2012, 11:02 AM
That's on a Dyno Dynamics dyno, they read a lot lower than Dynojet dynos.

Comparing dyno numbers is ridiculous.

A-FourLO
01-02-2012, 11:11 AM
6262;7153158']That's on a Dyno Dynamics dyno, they read a lot lower than Dynojet dynos.

Comparing dyno numbers is ridiculous.

ye i agree but im sure there is a ballpark figure that these cars should make stock

KFizz
01-02-2012, 11:13 AM
Please black out your lower grill. It looks like the chrome fell off the top or something.

A-FourLO
01-02-2012, 11:18 AM
small update just mocked up the lip spoiler yesterday, going in for paint very very soon
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/A4lipspoilerR.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/A4lipspoilerLR.jpg

A-FourLO
01-02-2012, 11:21 AM
Please black out your lower grill. It looks like the chrome fell off the top or something.
lol will do man very soon its hard to keep up with everyone n how nice the cars look on here, my car is a week old and im workin as fast as i can

KFizz
01-02-2012, 12:05 PM
Shit sorry. Missed the part about the car being a week old. Looks like your on a pretty good pace than. Welcome aboard.

A-FourLO
01-02-2012, 05:28 PM
more updates! puttin the parts in for paint this week, my days of multi color are over cant wait for the new look here are some disassembly pics, its my fathers business so gettin it done quick and for the right price
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/A4Lfrontprep.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/A4Leftsideprep.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/A4partsprep.jpg

bondar1989
01-02-2012, 05:35 PM
WOOAHHH put the Audi rings back on the grill it ruins the car.It's an Audi you should be proud to have them on the grill. And what kind of potential are you talking about bc there isnt that much stuff you can do to make that car faster. It's a 3.0 non turbo. unless you turbo that car you will not see much increase in power. But i still do not know what kind of potential you mean. Good luck with it anyway. It's still an Audi keep it clean. welcome to the forums.

bondar1989
01-02-2012, 05:38 PM
sadly yes[headbang], but for a relatively stock car i am optimistic becuz of the strong torque graph, which brings me to a theory, arent The 3.0's rated at 220hp/220tq to the engine? so given that doesnt that mean if the engine is rated at equal horsepower and torque shouldnt it make equal numbers to the wheels? Ok so looking at my graph of 156whp/182wtq there is an approximate 29% loss of horsepower to the wheels and an approximate 17% loss of torque to the wheels. Which leads me to conclude in theory that the torque numbers of this engine are severely under rated. This engine should be rated closer to the 250tq mark becuz 30% less than 250 is 180. Thoughts? Those are crank hp and torque numbers...the dyno tell you wheel hp and torque numbers. For the 3.0 stock that where it should be.

bondar1989
01-02-2012, 05:48 PM
Check over everything underneath again, You say everything is rusted? or just has surface rust.? These cars don't rust that much unless they sit for years in the rain and snow just rotting. Front Control arms should be done, sway bar end links, possibly sway bar bushings, your alignment could be off causing the tires to wear, that is due to camber wear on the inside of the tire like you said but you are not low so it could be something different. How are your engine mounts? does the engine move alot when shifting. If everything o nthis car is stock and was never updated then you will need about everything on this car new. Did this guy you bought that car from tell you if he replaced anything.

I can help you out a lot just ask me any question you might have.

_Brandon Bondar_

A-FourLO
01-02-2012, 05:51 PM
WOOAHHH put the Audi rings back on the grill it ruins the car.It's an Audi you should be proud to have them on the grill. And what kind of potential are you talking about bc there isnt that much stuff you can do to make that car faster. It's a 3.0 non turbo. unless you turbo that car you will not see much increase in power. But i still do not know what kind of potential you mean. Good luck with it anyway. It's still an Audi keep it clean. welcome to the forums.
Lol i kno i kno nothing against AUDI i just wanna do a different look for now, and its a V6 with 10.1:1 compression thats being choked to death by small piping, catalytics, a terrible exhaust manifold design, and not to mention a heavy AWD platform, once i alleviate a few of those things it should be a moderately more pleasureable vehicle IMHO, i can tell you just by the extrememly worn lower control arm bushings that this thing is in need of TLC, once i fix those LCA's and get and alignment i will be off to the drag strip to get another baseline of where i stand in pretty much stock form :)

A-FourLO
01-02-2012, 05:55 PM
Check over everything underneath again, You say everything is rusted? or just has surface rust.? These cars don't rust that much unless they sit for years in the rain and snow just rotting. Front Control arms should be done, sway bar end links, possibly sway bar bushings, your alignment could be off causing the tires to wear, that is due to camber wear on the inside of the tire like you said but you are not low so it could be something different. How are your engine mounts? does the engine move alot when shifting. If everything o nthis car is stock and was never updated then you will need about everything on this car new. Did this guy you bought that car from tell you if he replaced anything.

I can help you out a lot just ask me any question you might have.

_Brandon Bondar_

i can only see surface rust as of now nothing is really through and through,

bondar1989
01-02-2012, 06:00 PM
Yes I understand, but I think the car will look great with the rings on the grill and the outer chrome pieces black, that's what i did and it looks sick. But its your car not mine :)

So what have you done so far, let me know if im wrong... I read you changed coil packs, you changed the oil, have you changed the spark plugs?? a good tune up will help out alot.

I would change the fuel filter, you have alot of miles it will help out alot. Also I would put back the stock air intake and throw a K&N air filter you will gain alot of power and retain stock look.



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check this thread out and this website they have great stuff. good deal o nthe contro larms and coilovers if your looking to improve you ride feel.

A-FourLO
01-02-2012, 06:03 PM
cool man thanks!

bondar1989
01-02-2012, 06:09 PM
Yea the exhaust was the worst with the rust. but with some grease and wd-40 and paint you can get ride of all that rust. It doesnt look that bad I thought it was worse but liek i said these cars do not rust like american cars do. I am a mechanic and see all types of cars with rust you wouldnt believe. our cars are good for rust hold up. Like for those bolts and stuff you can take off and grease them up and underneath spray black rust preventer,but you dont have to go crazy taking off every bolt just spray wd-40 on everything under there and lube up anything that you can lube. Take a wire brush or wire wheel to clean the rust off and spray that and rust will stay away.

A-FourLO
01-04-2012, 10:13 AM
Finally got around to stripping the rear end

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0649.jpg

parts in gettin prepped in the shop!

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0648.jpg

misterjj2u
01-04-2012, 10:22 AM
WOOAHHH put the Audi rings back on the grill it ruins the car.It's an Audi you should be proud to have them on the grill.

I dunno, the no ring look can be pulled off if done correctly: Captain Obvious (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/165269-The-mayhem-begins-My-airride-build-thread.?highlight=captain+obvious)

A-FourLO
01-04-2012, 10:38 AM
I dunno, the no ring look can be pulled off if done correctly: Captain Obvious (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/165269-The-mayhem-begins-My-airride-build-thread.?highlight=captain+obvious)

that grille is alot nicer than the one i have though

A-FourLO
01-04-2012, 06:01 PM
parts primed and ready for paint tommorow! gotta love the family business work gets done quick and done right [up]

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0651.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0654.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0653.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0652.jpg

bondar1989
01-04-2012, 06:42 PM
I dunno, the no ring look can be pulled off if done correctly: Captain Obvious (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/165269-The-mayhem-begins-My-airride-build-thread.?highlight=captain+obvious)Yea exactly if done correctly.

bondar1989
01-04-2012, 06:43 PM
parts primed and ready for paint tommorow! gotta love the family business work gets done quick and done right [up]

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0651.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0654.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0653.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0652.jpg

Damn this car is going to be looking mint when all these parts are done! [up]

A-FourLO
01-04-2012, 07:59 PM
Damn this car is going to be looking mint when all these parts are done! [up]

Well i hope so i still hav to get my rear right hand quarter panel fixed, ill picture that later, it has a nasty bondo crack from a poor repair that has allowed the metal underneath to Rust

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0658.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0659.jpg

A-FourLO
01-05-2012, 08:00 AM
i have been meaning to add a couple examples of "Real World" results:

I noticed when i bought the car that the intake manifold butterfly was broken so i had decided that i would do a couple tests just to see if they really helped as much as they r "supposed" to. First i removed all the dashpots and vaccuum hoses out of the way so i could create something that i could lock the butterflies in place to do the testing, now i learned that initially when the car is started that these cars pull vacuum and lock the butterflies to what i believe is the longer runners because theoretically the longer runners create more velocity and improve torque however they are not ideal for top end power, so given this i first wanted to lock the runners to the long runners first and run some tests. I first did some normal driving to see how the "seat of the pants feel" would be so i could have a basis for the short runner test. Next with the longer runners still locked open i decided to do some timed runs leaving the car in second gear from 20mph to 55mph and i went to find a flat open road. The times i came up with from the average of 3 - 5 pulls was 6.4seconds the lowest being 6.2s and the highest 6.7s. I live in miami so the weather right now is a bit cooler than normal i would say high 50s low 60s rite now and this was the weather when i did the testing and it was at night.

So i stopped and checked to make sure my locking system had not been moved and the runners were still in place and sure enuf they were. So i proceeded to change the runners to the short runner position and lock it in. Ran the same tests again and what do you know there was no change at all to the results the times were very similar. So i stopped to check to make sure the runners were still locked in the short position and yes they were. I even successfully locked the runners in the middle position and ran the test and still no changes in time and feel.

Well you may say ok the times arent accurate well possibly becuz there is a such thing as human error, but i was looking for a bigger change. So you might say well a dyno would show a change for sure. Well not quite....when i dynoed that 156awhp/182awtq i changed the butterflies around several times looking for a change and still not even a miniscule change in the numbers or curves.

I dont know much but i can tell you after these tests i will next be trying to remove the butterflies entirely to get them out of the way so there is some more airflow within the manifold cuz it seems they do nothing other than give a "better seat of pants feel" if that, and just get in the way.

I will try to get some pics of the manifold and how i locked it in. Granted its just a screw that holds the butterfly shaft so its really nothing, looks crappy but hey it works.[up]

a quick shot of how i locked the butterflies in dont mind my professional mastery lol j/k
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0660.jpg


Thoughts?

A-FourLO
01-05-2012, 04:04 PM
oh and got the parts finished lookin fresh paint and glossy!! Install coming soon just gotta give it some overnight flash time,

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0656.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0657.jpg

zz2h33
01-05-2012, 06:05 PM
cant tell in the pic, did you paint the grille body color?

bondar1989
01-05-2012, 06:21 PM
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0660.jpg

I was looking at this and was like [confused] but then i forgot you had a 3.0 .:)

A-FourLO
01-05-2012, 06:54 PM
cant tell in the pic, did you paint the grille body color?

Yes i did i wanted to color code everything

janky1
01-05-2012, 08:42 PM
Did you experience any misfires during the manifold tests?

Lout Jnr
01-05-2012, 09:24 PM
Here is what the actuators are attached to in the manifold

http://*******************/addons/albums/images/977105829.jpg

I have a manifold sitting in my garage if you want more pics of the inside or the vacuum actuators. The manifold is not like the one on the S4 were there is a single flap to change the length in the runner.

It will take a lot more than just locking in the longer runners to see some gain. We might have to create a flap like the S4's

A-FourLO
01-06-2012, 07:20 AM
Did you experience any misfires during the manifold tests?
naw none at all.. i disconnected and capped off the vacuum lines, i also got rid of the air injection system as well so the only small vacuum line i have connected is the fuel pressure Regulator, i do have a check engine light from removing the actuators and plug from the air pump but there are no issues with how the car runs, if anything it runs a bit smoother..

A-FourLO
01-06-2012, 07:37 AM
Here is what the actuators are attached to in the manifold

http://*******************/addons/albums/images/977105829.jpg

I have a manifold sitting in my garage if you want more pics of the inside or the vacuum actuators. The manifold is not like the one on the S4 were there is a single flap to change the length in the runner.

It will take a lot more than just locking in the longer runners to see some gain. We might have to create a flap like the S4's

ok now it makes sense why there was no difference in the actual performance, i thought there was more of an aggressive flap which would have affected the performance i am sure

doogie891
01-06-2012, 09:23 AM
welcome to the Zine! and man moving quick there! wish i wouldve known about this thread earlier. would have talked to you about getting my car done. oh well! see you around if anything.

A-FourLO
01-06-2012, 11:16 AM
PArts are done and now the Car is in for some minor repair work to the rear quarter

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0662.jpg

A-FourLO
01-06-2012, 11:20 AM
welcome to the Zine! and man moving quick there! wish i wouldve known about this thread earlier. would have talked to you about getting my car done. oh well! see you around if anything.

haha its cool man, ye i dint wanna waste much time, i already had a plan before i bought this car, i had some money left over from my previous car i sold so i can do some things to this one to at least get it lookin half nice for now, and the mechanical stuff i do myself so no cost there, but overall this is my fav Audi platform that i can afford right now

A-FourLO
01-10-2012, 07:20 AM
quarter is painted and drivers door repaired of some minor rust

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0674.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0673.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0676.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0675.jpg

Dan[FN]6262
01-10-2012, 07:28 AM
Looking good.

A-FourLO
01-10-2012, 07:43 AM
6262;7174883']Looking good.

Thank you, having the trunk painted as well, had some scratches there too

A-FourLO
01-10-2012, 07:44 AM
also i cant post in the wanted section of the classifieds but does anyone have a spare center diff they want to sell?

DNasty777
01-10-2012, 09:10 AM
I remember David (A4TSCHUSS or something like that) had a couple a little while ago, wouldn't hurt to ask him.

A-FourLO
01-10-2012, 10:19 AM
thanks!

A-FourLO
01-11-2012, 10:46 AM
repaired and painted the trunk

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0678.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0679.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0680.jpg

A-FourLO
01-11-2012, 10:53 AM
also got my control arms in today the complete front end set...

IDK if anyone was aware but i did countless searches with local auto parts stores and online stores and i came across this package on Ebay so i ordered it, i was skeptical at first because the comparison in price was so drastic but i ended up taking a chance to order the pieces and they came in within a timely manner and i inspected the parts and they are in new condition and the quality seems to be A+, granted i still need to install them and verify optimum fitment but visually it looks impressive for the price.

Now IDK how much people pay for control arms and such but i managed to get this whole kit for $150 buks! Here is a link to the ebay search results that have various control arm options including this kit.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=audi+control+arm+kit&_sacat=0&_odkw=audi+a4+control+arm+kit&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1313

Here is a pic of what i received...everything seems to be there [up]

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0681.jpg

A-FourLO
01-11-2012, 05:16 PM
Well i finally reassembled the car with all the color matched parts and i am extremely happy to say the least, i feel like a got a new car back coupled with the fact i havent driven it in two weeks, it still will receive a full wet sand and compound, glaze and polish before it leaves our shop tomorrow but man what a difference! Here is the best pic i could take tonight i will post others during the day once all detailing has been done...[up]

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0687.jpg

n7plus1
01-11-2012, 08:10 PM
Making some damn good progress. cant wait to see the final outcome

A-FourLO
01-12-2012, 06:58 AM
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0688.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0689.jpg

A-FourLO
01-12-2012, 07:00 AM
Making some damn good progress. cant wait to see the final outcome
much appreciated, i feel kinda exhausted after all this i only drove the car for a week and its been sitting longer than i have driven it in the time ive owned it lol

DNasty777
01-12-2012, 07:03 AM
Looks good, the front is missing something though.

A-FourLO
01-12-2012, 07:16 AM
Looks good, the front is missing something though.

yea idk i mite put the Audi badge back on its a little plain but it might just take some getting used to plus i think when i put on a front lip and suspension, rims etc... everything mite come together so i dnt wanna change nethin yet once i get the final look ill assess and start makin changes if i dnt like it, and i havent put the fog lights in yet cuz i need bulbs

Hammie
01-12-2012, 08:05 AM
I vote you put the rings back too.. if you dont like them shiny paint them gray.

A-FourLO
01-12-2012, 12:53 PM
Well since my car is up and running again i want to get a baseline real world result again so im going to Countyline Dragway 1/8th mile 2moro night Friday on US 27 in Miami, FL (January 13th 2012) @ 8pm

Jus seein if anyone wants to come out n do some runs. Feel free to meetup and shoot the shit bout racing or w.e.

Website.

http://www.countylinedragwayinc.com/

Ill post up my results and do my best to get a vid also. I have seen others do low 10s & high 9s so i am hoping to be around there between 9.8 & 10.5, we shall see..Thanks!

Zingo_310
01-12-2012, 01:19 PM
Woah woah woah... High 9s and 10s in what?

Bud, your stock 3.0 isn't going to go near there. I'm tuned and running low 16s.

Welcome to the fast and furious a4.


****Edit. fail on my part. 1/8 mile. Lol

A-FourLO
01-12-2012, 02:00 PM
Woah woah woah... High 9s and 10s in what?

Bud, your stock 3.0 isn't going to go near there. I'm tuned and running low 16s.

Welcome to the fast and furious a4.


****Edit. fail on my part. 1/8 mile. Lol

lol i knew someone would miss that part, its cool bro

Charles.waite
01-12-2012, 02:39 PM
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0688.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0689.jpg

Looks like a caddilac DTS:

http://images04.olx.com/ui/15/88/69/1315602655_130627969_1-Pictures-of--2002-Caddilac-Deville-Houston-In-House-Finance-Car-Dealer.jpg

Lout Jnr
01-12-2012, 05:04 PM
Woah woah woah... High 9s and 10s in what?

Bud, your stock 3.0 isn't going to go near there. I'm tuned and running low 16s.

Welcome to the fast and furious a4.


****Edit. fail on my part. 1/8 mile. Lol


HAHAHAHA I missed that part to.

Go to http://*******************/forum/index.php and post up your results, we have a strong 3.0 group there

A-FourLO
01-12-2012, 08:37 PM
HAHAHAHA I missed that part to.

Go to http://*******************/forum/index.php and post up your results, we have a strong 3.0 group there

i have been on there reading but i havent registered yet, n u guys got JHM holdin it down, im sure they will surpass any kinda mods etc... i will do lol

on a side note my damn bolt is seized up for the front upper control arms the one that bolts the two arms to the spindle FML!, i hav a couple things in mind to break it free but damnit[headbang][headbang][headbang], any suggestions are greatly appreciated BTW [up]...

A-FourLO
01-14-2012, 08:09 AM
Went to the 1/8th mile last night and it was about what i expected, average time was ~10.4 and average speed ~67mph, best run was 10.369(see slip below) worst time was 10.6. I have never launched an AWD car before its a bit challenging to say the least and requires just the right throttle and clutch combo to get it right. I by no means have it mastered lol. The clutch overheats almost immediately seems like it although i do not know the condition the previous owner left the clutch in. You can hear in the video the clutch slip into second and a bit into third. IDK if thats normal or what but it definitely is the weak link when trying to launch and aggressively shift this car. Other than that i still am learning what this car is capable of and glad i have pretty much all the baselines covered. Had a fun night with a few friends and locals at the track im all about the competitive racing environment so this is just fun for me. [up]

Any thoughts criticisms tips etc... are much appreciated Thanks!


Video of action 156awhp/182awtq ~3550lbs with driver, Run starts @ 1:20


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eynefDdy0Zs

Timeslip, I am left lane of course 10.369 @ 67.1 [facepalm]

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0696.jpg

vteckiller2000
01-14-2012, 08:41 AM
Now get some more power!

For reference, cars I had with comparable 1/8 mile times:
1998 Ford escort ZX2-10.2 sec
1993 Ford Probe GT-9.8 sec
1990 Mazda Miata 5 spd-10.5 sec

EBG 18T
01-14-2012, 09:29 AM
It's nice to see someone having fun with the 3L instead of bashing it.

vteckiller2000
01-14-2012, 09:35 AM
You should change the manifold runner solenoid(s) and make that work correctly again then do catless dp's, exhaust and a tune to show if the engine really has as much potential as everyone says it does.

Also, stock airbox and clutch....

A-FourLO
01-14-2012, 09:55 AM
It's nice to see someone having fun with the 3L instead of bashing it.

yep well this is my daily driver but i think if you have money in something no matter what that object is you should maximize your use outta of it and always try new and creative things with it because honestly arent most objects replaceable? so why be afraid to get down and dirty and break somethin because its the knowledge that counts and no one can take that away from you :) [up]

A-FourLO
01-14-2012, 10:01 AM
You should change the manifold runner solenoid(s) and make that work correctly again then do catless dp's, exhaust and a tune to show if the engine really has as much potential as everyone says it does.

Also, stock airbox and clutch....
well its a V6... in theory it should be significantly more powerful when you let it breathe, and the manifold butterflies IMHO based on my dyno tests did absolutely no difference. The ECU tune will be the very very last change i make, i have faith in factory ECU's due to their ability to account for an infinite amount of variables [up]

vteckiller2000
01-14-2012, 10:27 AM
well its a V6... in theory it should be significantly more powerful when you let it breathe, and the manifold butterflies IMHO based on my dyno tests did absolutely no difference. The ECU tune will be the very very last change i make, i have faith in factory ECU's due to their ability to account for an infinite amount of variables [up]

It is hard to say what you will get power from since so few mod the 3.0. Dyno numbers aside, trap speed is the only thing I would use for reference. I believe the butterflies will make a difference if you do a stage 0 and get everything all up to par and fresh.

vteckiller2000
01-14-2012, 10:30 AM
Also, the ecu's range of variability is more finite than you think. [up]

Lout Jnr
01-14-2012, 03:09 PM
Also, the ecu's range of variability is more finite than you think. [up]

+1, if you say went catless Dp's, the car would be a little quicker, but the stock computer can only do so much to adapt to the extra flow. This is were the JHM tune works its best as it is constanly adapting to the new things that you ad to the engine.

vteckiller2000
01-14-2012, 03:13 PM
+1, if you say went catless Dp's, the car would be a little quicker, but the stock computer can only do so much to adapt to the extra flow. This is were the JHM tune works its best as it is constanly adapting to the new things that you ad to the engine.

It is not that it can't adjust for more flow, the problem is that it usually doesn't know to look for it or it sees the change as a malfunction so it ends up fighting with itself back and forth and you don't get as much as you could from your combo (abbreviated explanation).

A-FourLO
01-14-2012, 11:53 PM
It is not that it can't adjust for more flow, the problem is that it usually doesn't know to look for it or it sees the change as a malfunction so it ends up fighting with itself back and forth and you don't get as much as you could from your combo (abbreviated explanation).
well i cant explain what the OEM ECU can and cannot compensate for as i am not an AUDI engineer. I just pay attention to the air/fuel ratios and as long as they are within range and linear i am ok with that and i see no need to alter the parameters until the very last mod after i cannot possibly do anything further so when i get to that point i will consider one of the aftermarket companies to do some testing with their ECU's

A-FourLO
01-15-2012, 12:00 AM
Small update, i decided the front was a bit plain for now so i made a little change, I took the rear rings off and created a brushed look as opposed to a shiny chrome and IMO the smaller rings are a bit more classy and subtle, and installed them on the front grill. LMK wut u think!

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0702.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0703.jpg

zz2h33
01-15-2012, 06:36 AM
looks weird with the small rings

Zingo_310
01-15-2012, 06:44 AM
Looks odd..

Looks like the car is on steroids and well, it's balls shrunk..

A-FourLO
01-15-2012, 08:06 AM
lmao on tht one^^, well i feel more like the exact opposite, like my car is a fatboy with fat balls underneath the hood but a tiny EGO displayed on the grille

Zingo_310
01-15-2012, 08:26 AM
lmao on tht one^^, well i feel more like the exact opposite, like my car is a fatboy with fat balls underneath the hood but a tiny EGO displayed on the grille

Lol well our balls still have some growing to do before we can say we have something under the hood. Hopefully those dps will be out soon and let her breath better. If you are happy with the car now, you'll LOVE the ecu tune.

A-FourLO
01-15-2012, 05:25 PM
Lol well our balls still have some growing to do before we can say we have something under the hood. Hopefully those dps will be out soon and let her breath better. If you are happy with the car now, you'll LOVE the ecu tune.
i agree, i am lookin forward to the future thats for sure

A-FourLO
01-15-2012, 05:40 PM
took a little better pic today of the overall car
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0704.jpg

bondar1989
01-15-2012, 07:10 PM
WOW looking good brother. I am 50/50 on the smaller rings on the front grill I think the stock ones would look better but thats up to you. any plans for coilovers and wheels in the future.

also where are your fog lights?

meistah
01-15-2012, 08:04 PM
Hmm interesting look. It reminds me of a TT front with the smaller rings for some reason. As far as aesthetics, aside from an obvious drop being needed I'd get rid of the orange reflectors.

A-FourLO
01-16-2012, 08:29 AM
yes i agree with all of you, i am still 50/50 on the small rings but ill leave it for now, ne how the fog lights i havent put in yet cuz i need bulbs and im lazy n havent gone to buy them yet lol, and the headlights i do like those E-Code ones on EBAY that have a black housing, however i still need to learn how to adapt the HID's to them becuz i read they accept only halogen bulbs and something about the parking lamp that needs to be wired in or something like that

Hammie
01-16-2012, 09:42 AM
did you install that ebay control arm kit yet?

A-FourLO
01-16-2012, 05:58 PM
did you install that ebay control arm kit yet?
not yet unfortunately i received one of the front lower arms that was not compatible but i am in communication with the seller and he is working to get me the correct part, plus i still have not made an attempt to loosen the top spindle bolt, so those two things have delayed me for a bit

High4
01-18-2012, 09:05 AM
Just saw your thread. My wife has a 2004 3.0 that has just passed 100k (and out of warranty). I've been looking for some easy and inexpensive mods for better performance. I'm looking forward to seeing what you do! Thanks for posting all your work.

A-FourLO
01-19-2012, 11:39 AM
Just saw your thread. My wife has a 2004 3.0 that has just passed 100k (and out of warranty). I've been looking for some easy and inexpensive mods for better performance. I'm looking forward to seeing what you do! Thanks for posting all your work.
well you will be going no where fast if you do not replace that timing belt ASAP so if you have not please please do that dont wait another minute, oh and i will do my best to keep this thread updated with my progress [up]

A-FourLO
01-19-2012, 05:53 PM
OK just wanted to share some weight reduction i started, now im sure i am about to piss off alot of people and bring on criticism by my next post but to me weight reduction equals free horsepower now i know its not much but weight i have taken off so far but in time those small things will equal a big number, so here goes:

Started with all the plastics from the engine bay

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0733.jpg

then i looked underneath the car and found a hella lot of plastic covers plus splash shields

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0732.jpg

then went into the trunk and this was by far the biggest chunk of weight removal with the spare tire and jack etc.., i also removed the sound suppression Tar

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0729.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0730.jpg

did some little odds n ends such as the rear headrests and underneath the drivers footwell, also have no rear floormats
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0726.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0725.jpg

other things not pictured are the Secondary air injection system and pump good for 5 lbs, engine belly pan and Evap canister cover


How much weight could i have possibly taken off? well so far i have documented 125 lbs of weight removed in total, i have not accounted for the added weight of the paint and primer i recently had done to the car but in conclusion the curb weight of the a4 3.0 quattro is 3583 this is calculated with full fluid weight (full gas tank, oil, a/c, p/s, etc....) so this puts me at about 3460 with a full tank of gas. Now i never fill the tank up because i work less than 5 mins from home also when i do any form of straightline racing i run a 1/4 tank or less. so the tank is 17.4 gallons and a gallon of gas weighs 6.5 lbs so that equals 113. Now i am guessing less than a 1/4 tank is about 3 - 4 gallons so thats about 26 lbs of added gasoline weight so 113 less 26 is 87 so 3460 less 87 is 3373 and i weigh 150 lbs and that is a grand total of about 3523 total race weight. :)

A side note all this weight reduction was done prior to me running the 1/8th mile.

Again i know i may be a little crazy and i over think the weight reduction aspect but given the low horsepower and the high weight of these cars the only way to balance the performance is to do some serious weight reduction becuz increasing the power is a rather difficult task at this point.

Please do not hesitate to give me your thoughts/brutality lol [up]

zz2h33
01-20-2012, 06:28 AM
added weight of paint and primer? lol

A-FourLO
01-20-2012, 07:11 AM
added weight of paint and primer? lol
yup i try to account for everything i also had some body filler on certain parts, i would say all the paint and body work could have added ~10 lbs, but i dont know for sure so i am just listing what i know i accounted for and documented

motorsports916
01-20-2012, 07:59 AM
Not bashing here, just curious... Your doing all this without tuning your ecu?

Props for going for it tho. Keep up the work!

A-FourLO
01-20-2012, 12:06 PM
Not bashing here, just curious... Your doing all this without tuning your ecu?

Props for going for it tho. Keep up the work!

not sure what you mean by "all this" becuz i have only removed the airbox for mods....if you mean i plan to keep modding and not alter the ECU then yes the ECU will be the very last thing i do

Zingo_310
01-20-2012, 12:11 PM
not sure what you mean by "all this" becuz i have only removed the airbox for mods....if you mean i plan to keep modding and not alter the ECU then yes the ECU will be the very last thing i do

The ECU should be the number one thing on your list.. You can build from there on out without any restrictions.

A-FourLO
01-20-2012, 12:27 PM
The ECU should be the number one thing on your list.. You can build from there on out without any restrictions.

i see both of you who asked about the ECU have the Tune already lol, i hear you guys trust me.... i just do things a bit different, not claiming its right but just different. BTW do you or "Motorsports" have any comparison vids from before and after the ECU tune with no other changes? such as dyno, or track times? you may convince me then [up]

Zingo_310
01-20-2012, 12:38 PM
i see both of you who asked about the ECU have the Tune already lol, i hear you guys trust me.... i just do things a bit different, not claiming its right but just different. BTW do you or "Motorsports" have any comparison vids from before and after the ECU tune with no other changes? such as dyno, or track times? you may convince me then [up]


I don't have a comparison video, but the first video on this page http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/443700-Zingo-s-3.0-Project-amp-More
I have a video of the first day I got the tune. You can compare it to what you drive everyday. Deffineatly a noticeable difference

A-FourLO
01-20-2012, 01:01 PM
I don't have a comparison video, but the first video on this page http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/443700-Zingo-s-3.0-Project-amp-More
I have a video of the first day I got the tune. You can compare it to what you drive everyday. Deffineatly a noticeable difference
ok cool i have seen those vids on AudiRev and its impressive i was just wondering if you ever dynoed stock to compare that to your current setup, or a track time slip or somethin like that, also you are automatic so that TCU tune in itself could account for alot of the power you are feeling IDK just observing, thats why i was askin also, but not bashing thats some great work they do at JHM and seems like your car really woke up

meistah
01-20-2012, 01:07 PM
In mine and zingos case the ecu and tcu tune were done separately. The video of motorsports shows pretty clearly the difference between stock and tuned, and puts it against another car as well. As a manual car you would benefit from more power under the curve due to not having a torque converter. It would be interesting to see you get the tune and dyno again, now that you have a base line. I havent dynoed myself as I'm not going to until all my mods are done, I'm not looking to see the number difference as I can feel and prove it in real world situations.

I only want the dyno number personally so I have a valid answer when someone asks how much hp my car has. As opposed to spending 10 mins explaining why it doesnt matter lol

Zingo_310
01-20-2012, 01:10 PM
ok cool i have seen those vids on AudiRev and its impressive i was just wondering if you ever dynoed stock to compare that to your current setup, or a track time slip or somethin like that, also you are automatic so that TCU tune in itself could account for alot of the power you are feeling IDK just observing, thats why i was askin also, but not bashing thats some great work they do at JHM and seems like your car really woke up
I wish I would have dynoed before and after but I didn't. The first video is with JUST the ECU. I've tried uploading a vid with the TCU but it won't upload. The tcu felt like I chipped again. Having a 6 speed you will see more from the ECU tune than someone with a auto because you won't have the tranny to hold it back

A-FourLO
01-20-2012, 01:13 PM
i only asked for the dyno for reference purposes, i know numbers are just that numbers however it may give everyone a better grasp as to what the ECU tune is actually doing in relation to the TCU tune, so a valid test would be on the dyno or strip run the first few runs and get a baseline, then upload the TCU tune and run a few times more, then upload the ECU tune then run a few times more, or even do a similar test like i did (for the manual guys) and lets say you are on the street and you do a 3 gear pull from idk 40 - 80 mph then take some times to get an average... Just my 2 cents on the subject [up]

meistah
01-20-2012, 02:30 PM
I have a couple videos like that, ecu pulls, and ecu + tcu pulls. If I find the time maybe I'll throw them together, would be kinda cool to see side by side. There's a noticeable difference between ecu and ecu + tcu just from the clips, it would be awesome if I had a stock pull to compare to. (they were basically 0-60 pulls) I know JHM has a lot of these videos, they just won't likely surface until the products are released to the general public.

It's cool that you are kind of going a different route and trying some things that haven't been done, experimenting and whatnot. We are just recommending the ECU tune for your benefit. You'll get an immediate performance bump, and it will make the results of each mod (provided they are a good mod) that much more noticeable as opposed to working with the stock ECU.

As far as videos though, again, I think the stock 3.0 vs stage 2+ 1.8, and tuned 3.0 vs 2+ 1.8 are pretty good comparison videos. I've done some runs myself against friends cars like that with interesting results, just didn't film them. The most notable being against an A3 with a custom eurodyne tune.

A-FourLO
01-20-2012, 02:42 PM
Sounds good man i would like to see them. MY basic theory for the auto guys is that the TCU tune is basically what you are feeling. Again idk if i am confused but did anyone get just the TCU tune then the ECU tune? Becuz the ECU tune on an auto would likely not show up to be beneficial due to the sluggish nature of the auto trans. Again i could be way off here but thats 3 people already that have both tunes not just one or the other.

LAstly, i just wanna give a disclaimer here. If i come off to anyone as a know-it-all or i type to "properly" etc... just know i am really a normal guy i just find it easier for people to read and comprehend when you type in complete sentences and proper wording/speaking. :)

meistah
01-20-2012, 02:58 PM
Maybe I made it a bit confusing. I was stock. Then I got the ECU tune, I ran that for 4-5 months. That's almost half a year running just the ECU tune on an otherwise bone stock car, didn't even do the airbox mod. Then I got the TCU tune. The ECU tune is great, I wrote a pretty detailed review explaining how the tune is better, not just a seat of the pants thing. A local forum member who has a 6speed 3.0 thought it was awesome, if that helps...:

http://*******************/forum/index.php?topic=153.0

(I wrote this review running the tune on 91 (its a 93 tune), I now run it only on ethanol free 94, which provided a noticeable gain on top of that)

The hangup of the tune on the auto is you get this big rush of additional power all the way to redline, which feels great and is very noticeable. then a slow and weak shift as the transmission crawls from first to second. TCU tune takes care of that by punching you from first to second, drops revs quicker, and doesn't drop them as low to keep you in the power band. The car in JHM's test videos is an auto, and it clearly benefits going from stock to just the ECU tune (an ecu tune on 91 and in a dialed down form).

If you want to know more or are still unconvinced PM me, I don't want to get off topic from your thread.

A-FourLO
01-22-2012, 07:48 AM
just got my Bentley Manual in today and i must say i was less than impressed but its an overall good manual for the Do-it-Yourselfer, maybe someone could point me in the direction of a more comprehensive form of literature that involves engine/transmission/differential disassembly and reconstruction, basically more detail...idk if any books like that exist but i would prefer that over the generic Bentley book.

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0736.jpg

A-FourLO
01-28-2012, 11:13 PM
Ok got my 3 inch single exhaust done today, and i am absolutely in love with the sound, i did my best to capture the sound even though the videos are crappy, the power hasnt changed much if at all im sure becuz i added a 3rd cat becuz i plan to remove the first two cats...so i will add flanges to the current 3 inch cat and create a test pipe so i can interchange between "race" mode and "street" mode lol. This is just a preliminary exhaust test to get a sound check and i will change it at a later date i just wanted to c wut the 3 inch single would sound like and i would call it a success [up].

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0745.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0746.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0744.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0748.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0749.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0751.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqAZB72vmyM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdboC5OZObo

zz2h33
01-29-2012, 07:03 AM
no

vteckiller2000
01-29-2012, 07:03 AM
Did Stevie Wonder build that exhaust?

sandspeed
01-29-2012, 12:12 PM
Did Stevie Wonder build that exhaust?

Yeah, that looks like shit man, and the slash cut tip is not a look I would associate with a european car at all. Not sure why you went with single exhaust either. But really, the "craftsmanship" of that exhaust is horrible. Welds are hideous.

vteckiller2000
01-29-2012, 12:19 PM
Beyond the shit welding and lack of overall fab quality, that cat is not going to do anything that far downstream. Cats work by being REALLY hot.

Also, your "Y-pipe" is terrible.

Lout Jnr
01-29-2012, 03:20 PM
I don't mind the sound, it doesn't have that rasp or tiny sound like some 3.0 have. Would like to hear an acceleration vid.

Also the further downstream you put a restriction in the exhaust the more it will affect the power you make, I only ask cause I can't work out how much further after your Y pipe your cat is. Also on the point of the welds did you make sure that they did not penetrate through if it is not smooth inside the exhaust you will disrupt the pulses.

Did you do any research to see if the 3" single flows more or the same as stock, if it flows more great

+1 for being different.

vteckiller2000
01-29-2012, 03:24 PM
on the point of the welds did you make sure that they did not penetrate through if it is not smooth inside the exhaust you will disrupt the pulses.



The hell are you talking about?

A-FourLO
01-29-2012, 03:50 PM
thanks to all for your comments/criticisms, i dont take nethin personally so dont worry bash away lol, and i put the cat downstream to be able to interchange in the future between a test pipe for when i want a bit more performance, i dont mind the sound its the smell that bothers me cuz its my daily, and yes i am aware the welds are average but i can fix that if i wanted to by dropping the whole exhaust and smoothing/grinding but they dont leak and the exhaust is underneath the car so what does it really matter what they look like? one thing i am going to do is paint it all black so the pipes and muffler is not visible. I am not sure if you guys were aware that this is a test to see what the single exhaust sounds like, so in that department i would say i succeeded. As far as flow characteristics? i cant tell you that i have no idea, i am just basing the 3" single off of a few other sources thats all really.

So pluses from this test are:

~30lbs weight reduction (compared to stock exhaust)
-Great sound
-Power is yet to be determined
-catalytic will be flanged for test pipe interchangeability (this is almost impossible with dual exhaust [up])

Lout Jnr
01-29-2012, 05:36 PM
The hell are you talking about?

exhaust gases come out of the engine in pulses (i.e. every time the exhaust valves open a pulse of gas comes out) with a proper exhaust each pulse helps pull the next one along. if you have welds in your system and they penetrate through the metal it creates an obstacle for the pulse and it then gets disturbed (think of a flowing stream and then you standing in the water). Thats why I was asking if he had checked if on the inside of the exhaust where the welds are they were smooth.

I know it might sound a bit extreme to make sure that the welds are good and the bends are not sharp and cats are in the right place, but on a NA a motor you need all the help you can get to make the intake and exhaust as efficient as possible. An efficient exhaust will help your intake pull more air in.

vteckiller2000
01-29-2012, 05:41 PM
exhaust gases come out of the engine in pulses (i.e. every time the exhaust valves open a pulse of gas comes out) with a proper exhaust each pulse helps pull the next one along. if you have welds in your system and they penetrate through the metal it creates an obstacle for the pulse and it then gets disturbed (think of a flowing stream and then you standing in the water). Thats why I was asking if he had checked if on the inside of the exhaust where the welds are they were smooth.

I know it might sound a bit extreme to make sure that the welds are good and the bends are not sharp and cats are in the right place, but on a NA a motor you need all the help you can get to make the intake and exhaust as efficient as possible. An efficient exhaust will help your intake pull more air in.


Nope. That is just preposterous.

AudiA4_20T
01-29-2012, 05:45 PM
Why not save up a little more and actually have a decent setup?

Lout Jnr
01-29-2012, 07:42 PM
Nope. That is just preposterous.

Why is that, I am always open to learn stuff

vteckiller2000
01-29-2012, 07:48 PM
How would weld bead penetration obstruct flow in any way? Have you ever welded or watched anything be welded? Proper penetration is vital for any joint to stay together under stress, but it doesn't magically form a bead on the other side of the pipe. You would be able to see heat marks and maybe a slight bit of pooling from penetration, but nothing more. Any expanded joints, flanges, gaskets, and bends would have an exponentially greater effect than any weld penetration.

Lout Jnr
01-29-2012, 07:53 PM
ahhh yes I see what you mean by that, poor wording on my choice - my bad.

what I was trying to get across was that if is not smooth on the inside around the welded area it will have an effect on the exhaust flow, that was all.

vteckiller2000
01-29-2012, 07:59 PM
ahhh yes I see what you mean by that, poor wording on my choice - my bad.

what I was trying to get across was that if is not smooth on the inside around the welded area it will have an effect on the exhaust flow, that was all.

There are other things about that exhaust that he should be more worried about.

motorsports916
01-29-2012, 08:43 PM
I'm confused.

vteckiller2000
01-29-2012, 08:46 PM
I'm confused.

About?

motorsports916
01-29-2012, 08:48 PM
3 cats, one pipe.

vteckiller2000
01-29-2012, 08:56 PM
3 cats, one pipe.

OP clearly stated that he was going to remove the stock cats in the dp's.

Lout Jnr
01-29-2012, 08:57 PM
There are other things about that exhaust that he should be more worried about.

Very true the cat placement being one of them, but the little things also hurt as well.

motorsports916
01-29-2012, 09:01 PM
But is having one exhaust more beneficial then having duals? Please excuse my ignorance, just trying to gain some more knowledge.

vteckiller2000
01-29-2012, 09:04 PM
But is having one exhaust more beneficial then having duals? Please excuse my ignorance, just trying to gain some more knowledge.

If the flow area is not restrictive compared to stock then it wouldn't hurt. Single can sound different and is simple and lighter than dual.

A-FourLO
01-30-2012, 07:28 AM
i agree that the welds inside should be as smooth as possible, but aside from maybe the y-pipe all the other pipes were slipped inside the other so the welds were not in the airstream, idk of neone beside TIG welders that weld exhausts using "BUTT" joints... A side note one person said to save up and get a "decent" exhaust, consider this, where can i find a decent 3" single exhaust if i dont find someone to custom make one? Also if i could find a place that has headers for this car i would buy them no question...

A-FourLO
01-30-2012, 02:05 PM
Started to gut the cats the day after i got the 3" exhaust. I dont wish this kind of work upon my worst enemy! (not that i have enemies but IJS Lol)...IDK if neone has attempted this but this is not your ordinary ceramic core cat, this is a metal core Pain in the frikin ASS. I am using an air hammer and a foot long drill bit, hammer and screwdriver and every other tool of destruction i could think of. I know a torch would have solved this in minutes but i would rather not burn down my house or myself. This is supposed to be a free mod!!

Also noted some sizes of openings in the exhaust that are other limiting factors as to why this thing is so restricted especially in the upper RPM's


Cat overview


http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0752.jpg

Manifold outlet size


http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0756.jpg



Downpipe Size


http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0757.jpg


Cat material


http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0760.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0758.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0759.jpg

Lout Jnr
01-30-2012, 04:12 PM
Looks like you have the shit manifold there, if you had the good one it would have had a 2.5" opening. You can take a dremel to your exhaust manifolds and open it up, could do this to the DP's as well.
http://*******************/addons/albums/images/754448153.jpg

What are you going to do with your o2's, are you going to put spacers in them. I would also consider looking at getting a new set as the extra flow will shorten their life depending on how old they are

A-FourLO
01-30-2012, 05:14 PM
Looks like you have the shit manifold there, if you had the good one it would have had a 2.5" opening. You can take a dremel to your exhaust manifolds and open it up, could do this to the DP's as well.
http://*******************/addons/albums/images/754448153.jpg

What are you going to do with your o2's, are you going to put spacers in them. I would also consider looking at getting a new set as the extra flow will shorten their life depending on how old they are

Those r nice headers! Where do i get a set?

motorsports916
01-30-2012, 05:57 PM
IIRC they are super sprints

Lout Jnr
01-30-2012, 06:37 PM
Yep they are supersprint, and personally they are not worth the money.

vteckiller2000
01-30-2012, 06:39 PM
Yep they are supersprint, and personally they are not worth the money.

Because?

A-FourLO
01-30-2012, 07:59 PM
Yep they are supersprint, and personally they are not worth the money.

hmmm where did you find them? i only found them for the C5 A6, and they look awesome, but if they r 1700 buks ima have to wait on that, i think i will perfect my current exhaust then do that as a second to last mod, right before i do the ECU tune test

Lout Jnr
01-30-2012, 09:14 PM
That's how much I paid for them, and if you want to upgrade to them it is an engine out job.

In terms of design, they are a short tube header. For 1700 you would hope to get long tube equal length headers.

Also with the research we have done with JHM, 2.5 inch dp's and exhaust are the best for our cars. The opening on the headers are 2" and the DP's that came with them are rubbish. So now I have to make some customer DP's and modify the collectors. Theres other little bits on the headers which could have been done better as well

If I were to do it again I would put the 1700 towards a Fast Intentions catback

A-FourLO
01-31-2012, 07:46 AM
That's how much I paid for them, and if you want to upgrade to them it is an engine out job.

In terms of design, they are a short tube header. For 1700 you would hope to get long tube equal length headers.

Also with the research we have done with JHM, 2.5 inch dp's and exhaust are the best for our cars. The opening on the headers are 2" and the DP's that came with them are rubbish. So now I have to make some customer DP's and modify the collectors. Theres other little bits on the headers which could have been done better as well

If I were to do it again I would put the 1700 towards a Fast Intentions catback

ah man that sounds like alot right now...i dont think i am ready for that yet....i will prolly ride around with the gutted cats for a bit and gather some data first, then save up and plan a bit more then go from there

A-FourLO
01-31-2012, 07:48 AM
Ok finally got the driver's side cat gutted went a bit quicker because i cut off the downpipe to access the second cat from the back side

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0762.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0761.jpg

A-FourLO
01-31-2012, 10:12 AM
Got the downpipe welded back on today....on to the next side [headbang]

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0763.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0764.jpg

bondar1989
01-31-2012, 10:41 AM
damn that is alot of work for nothing. I dont think you will c a difference.

itsmatt33
01-31-2012, 10:42 AM
wow those are some of the best welds i have ever seen

Zingo_310
01-31-2012, 11:20 AM
damn that is alot of work for nothing. I dont think you will c a difference.

He is going to see a big difference. The only question is if his stock ECU program can put the better flow to use. When JHM gutted motorsports cats it was like another bolt on. If the release date were set for the dps from JHM before hand I would have done the same.

motorsports916
01-31-2012, 11:21 AM
damn that is alot of work for nothing. I dont think you will c a difference.

You actually can tell a difference in the car. Not a "wow" type of improvement, but better none the less. And hey, it's a free mod.

Op, did you Dremel your manifolds while you were down there? Also, how do you plan on running your o2 sensors and not getting a CEL? Guess there is always VAG for that.

motorsports916
01-31-2012, 11:22 AM
Damnit Nick! Always gotta beat me to the punch!

meistah
01-31-2012, 11:28 AM
Good free mods with a tune, but stock he won't see a difference. Lots of people have done this before (aside from the single exhaust).

A-FourLO
01-31-2012, 12:06 PM
i figure why bothr porting the manifolds if the DP's cant go any bigger...

A-FourLO
01-31-2012, 12:08 PM
and i prolly wont c a difference rite now becuz i still have the cat i installed underneath, so until i get a test pipe made the gains as of now would be negligent

also i already have a check engine for a while now becuz i removed the Air injection system and the butterflies soooo

Lout Jnr
01-31-2012, 03:13 PM
Are you talking about the butterflies on the intake manifold

A-FourLO
01-31-2012, 06:20 PM
Are you talking about the butterflies on the intake manifold

well the butterflies are still in the manifold but i have the solenoid unplugged

Lout Jnr
01-31-2012, 07:40 PM
Interesting....

I remember you tried locking it in both directions and found no appreciable gains, why would you disconnect it? have you found any improvements with the butterflies disengaged?

viceprp
01-31-2012, 08:29 PM
damn that is alot of work for nothing. I dont think you will c a difference.

For someone that works on their own car, you should know that your cats are the most restrictive part on your exhaust. Not only is there an audible gain but all a more responsive feel. My HFC vs my buddy's TP isn't much different.

Also, why do you lie on your dyno numbers?

vteckiller2000
01-31-2012, 09:23 PM
Oh snap.

A-FourLO
02-01-2012, 07:06 AM
Interesting....

I remember you tried locking it in both directions and found no appreciable gains, why would you disconnect it? have you found any improvements with the butterflies disengaged?

no gains i just wanted to remove it to free up some space under the hood, we all know these engines are crammed in there and any extra inch i can get ima take it [headbang]

A-FourLO
02-02-2012, 07:55 PM
finally finished guttin the cats, it was significantly easier this time, i learned that u jus get a huge drill bit and go to town on that sukr then just start yankin pieces out, i cut this thing in half which was the best idea

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0766.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0768.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0769.jpg

bondar1989
02-02-2012, 09:13 PM
For someone that works on their own car, you should know that your cats are the most restrictive part on your exhaust. Not only is there an audible gain but all a more responsive feel. My HFC vs my buddy's TP isn't much different.

Also, why do you lie on your dyno numbers?

Yea I guess your right. but how are you still on that shit about me lying about my dyno numbers.?? why the fuck do i need to lie like are u serious. that is what i made did you not see the dyno graph check the b6 dyno thread. and tell my what the fuck im lying about. like what don't u understand about that is what i made on the dyno at ICS it was an audizine dyno day there were alot of members on here to confirm. tell me how i am lying please.

bondar1989
02-02-2012, 09:25 PM
And yea he should get more power with no cats now yes deff. more flow=more hp. And here are my dyno graphs from the isc performance dyno day. since you say I am lying and I do not lie there is no need to.

http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k605/bondar1989/RunFile_22199HP248T-1.jpg
http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k605/bondar1989/RunFile_23192HP230T-1.jpg
So can you read?? viceprp

Lout Jnr
02-02-2012, 10:33 PM
i learned that u jus get a huge drill bit and go to town on that sukr then just start yankin pieces out, i cut this thing in half which was the best idea


Yeah thats the best way to kill a cat.

Are you going to go do the 1/8th mile again now.

viceprp
02-03-2012, 04:00 AM
I can read.. Dynojet. Makes sense now.

A-FourLO
02-03-2012, 08:02 AM
Yeah thats the best way to kill a cat.

Are you going to go do the 1/8th mile again now.

yes thats my intention, i need to re-install the gutted cat first and drive the car around for a bit to clean out the engine and let the ECU adjust, i mean this engine has had those things chokin it for 140k miles!! lol, also i want to do another street test, idk if you remember from my earlier posts i did a 20-55 mph pull and i averaged 6.5s average time, so i want to do a few of those before anything. That test alone will indicate if i will even go spend money on a DYNO or the 1/8th mile, also the butt dyno should let me know too haha [up]

A-FourLO
02-03-2012, 10:36 AM
got the gutted cat from the driver side all welded back to normal and install should be soon! i took the best pics i could of the welded parts.

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0770.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0771.jpg

A-FourLO
02-03-2012, 10:46 AM
ok so for fun if anyone wants to predict the gains in numbers or time measurements please feel free, even if you predict no change i would like to hear about it [up] LMK! Ill go first the conditions are : I now have gutted cats and 3 inch single exhaust and ~30lbs weight reduction since my previous stock setup. So i predict i will now be within the 170whp - 175whp range and the torque will be between 190wtq-195wtq. Yea its optimistic but thats jus the kinda person i am [up]. In the 1/8th mile i would like to be witin the 10.0 to 10.1 range. Lmk your thoughts/brutality! Would really like to get a bunch of predictions and input here. I may or may not go to the dyno this weekend not sure. I think waiting a week would be better to give the car a chance to calibrate.

vteckiller2000
02-03-2012, 10:58 AM
I am gonna guess 163/185. Maybe around a 10.0 or a 9.9 since you will have a little practice launching it now.

Though I also think you would get better times repairing the intake actuator and replacing the stock airbox and air scoop.

A-FourLO
02-03-2012, 11:51 AM
I am gonna guess 163/185. Maybe around a 10.0 or a 9.9 since you will have a little practice launching it now.

Though I also think you would get better times repairing the intake actuator and replacing the stock airbox and air scoop.

cool, u know i may look into moddin the airbox and just slappin it on while im on the dyno to do a comparison test becuz it seems everyone is having great results with it [up] so thats a good suggestion, but the intake actuator is kinda broken but i will mess with it on the dyno when i go again to do some runs also thanks! Keep the predictions comin

vteckiller2000
02-03-2012, 12:01 PM
You could probably find a salvage yard or audi salvage specialist to get you another tumbler/actuator to return that to operation. There is one local to me which has had several 3.0 b6's over the past few months.

Lout Jnr
02-03-2012, 10:51 PM
Your not going to see any gains on the dyno with the stock air box, as the fans wont pressurize it. You will see an increase on the street and track though. A stock v8 s6 decreased its 0-60 time by .7 of a second.

I think with the stock computer you will see some improvement in power but not much I am thinking 165whp.

A-FourLO
02-04-2012, 05:25 PM
ok i decided to re-do the exhaust becuz it was too loud and i had to add another muffler. I basically decided to not buy a separate y-pipe and muffler so i just decided to put on a muffler that would act like a collector, a dual in single out. Anyhow this is exhaust setup Version 2! And i will probably change it in the future.

I have gone to this shop before and this guy is a one man show with all the fabrication tools and skill necessary to build a quality exhaust. Sometimes i get so disappointed in myself for trying to deviate from a higher standard just to try and save some money. Lets jus conclude that i wont be using neone else for exhaust work.I even managed to get a TIG welded piece done. This exhaust allows me to switch the catalytic converter in and out with slip fit connections that the shop owner fabricates in house. Ill let the pics speak for themselves.

Also managed to get a take off vid of this new exhaust.

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0780.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0781.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0784.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0785.jpg



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3d5eHQs6BY

Lout Jnr
02-04-2012, 07:30 PM
I'm not sure what to think of it......it's definitely different....

I would be interested in see the results with both cat in and cat out.

A-FourLO
02-05-2012, 09:15 AM
I'm not sure what to think of it......it's definitely different....

I would be interested in see the results with both cat in and cat out.

yes i agree, i want to drive it around for a bit before i go to the dyno, i already felt a difference from when i drove it home from the exhaust shop to later in the day, even the smell was different, so i am hoping by next weekend the ECU would have compensated a bit, i am still interested in testing the stock airbox, street testing and dyno testing

vteckiller2000
02-05-2012, 10:39 AM
You have exhaust leaks.

A-FourLO
02-05-2012, 03:17 PM
Idk why u would think i hav leaks but....neway i did some testing and its dissapointing to say the least in my 20-55mph test i did 6.6s consistently, now this could b a couple reasons tht i averaged 1 tenth slower than stock, first human error, second its about 20 degrees warmer than when i was stock, third the single bigger exhaust could b more of an upper RPM exhaust which would influence the low RPM pull and the results, IDK i guess once i dyno and/or go to the 1/8th mile ill know for sure wuts goin on

vteckiller2000
02-05-2012, 03:24 PM
Idk why u would think i hav leaks but....neway i did some testing and its dissapointing to say the least in my 20-55mph test i did 6.6s consistently, now this could b a couple reasons tht i averaged 1 tenth slower than stock, first human error, second its about 20 degrees warmer than when i was stock, third the single bigger exhaust could b more of an upper RPM exhaust which would influence the low RPM pull and the results, IDK i guess once i dyno and/or go to the 1/8th mile ill know for sure wuts goin on

It sounds like leaks from your video. You may just need to drive it a couple hundred miles and let the computer learn the mods.

Lout Jnr
02-05-2012, 04:12 PM
Idk why u would think i hav leaks but....neway i did some testing and its dissapointing to say the least in my 20-55mph test i did 6.6s consistently, now this could b a couple reasons tht i averaged 1 tenth slower than stock, first human error, second its about 20 degrees warmer than when i was stock, third the single bigger exhaust could b more of an upper RPM exhaust which would influence the low RPM pull and the results, IDK i guess once i dyno and/or go to the 1/8th mile ill know for sure wuts goin on

The tests that you did, did you have the cat in place?

I would move your cat closer to your DP's, the location of it is to far back. If you ran the car back to back then I would say you heat soaked the intake manifold, might want to look into IM spacers.

Increasing the exhaust size might give you more power, but will shift the torque band. Does the car pull all the way to redline or does it still get to about 3500 RPM and then just feel like it is all noise after that.

At least you are not dramatically slower so your exhaust sizing is flowing enough for stock, so that is a good sign.

A-FourLO
02-05-2012, 05:11 PM
The tests that you did, did you have the cat in place?

I would move your cat closer to your DP's, the location of it is to far back. If you ran the car back to back then I would say you heat soaked the intake manifold, might want to look into IM spacers.

Increasing the exhaust size might give you more power, but will shift the torque band. Does the car pull all the way to redline or does it still get to about 3500 RPM and then just feel like it is all noise after that.

At least you are not dramatically slower so your exhaust sizing is flowing enough for stock, so that is a good sign.

i did not hav the cat on for the tests i did with my new single exhaust, n its not easy to tell but the powerband feels a bit more even from low end to redline so its possible the torque dint move in numbers but the torque curve could hav shifted and maybe i did pickup some horses but its hard to tell since the torque numbers r highr than horsepower hence the flat feeling

vteckiller2000
02-05-2012, 05:52 PM
OP, for your reference I just clocked my 20-55 without brake boosting and my Stage 2+ car does it in 4 seconds flat.

Staz
02-05-2012, 06:16 PM
cf hood and cf trunk if youre looking for more weight reduction !

Lout Jnr
02-05-2012, 06:51 PM
OP, for your reference I just clocked my 20-55 without brake boosting and my Stage 2+ car does it in 4 seconds flat.

Cool.

Have you ever done the 1/4 if so what was your time

vteckiller2000
02-05-2012, 06:53 PM
Cool.

Have you ever done the 1/4 if so what was your time

No, I will this spring though.

A-FourLO
02-05-2012, 07:56 PM
OP, for your reference I just clocked my 20-55 without brake boosting and my Stage 2+ car does it in 4 seconds flat.

thats awesome! that was only second gear without shifting i assume? It would be nice to get some times from other 3.0 V6's though, but cool man thats a good reference point and goes to show just how underpowered i am [headbang]

A-FourLO
02-05-2012, 07:57 PM
cf hood and cf trunk if youre looking for more weight reduction !

thats money lol but thanks for the tip, if anyone thats local to me is sellin i may have to consider it though

bondar1989
02-05-2012, 08:09 PM
I can read.. Dynojet. Makes sense now.
Well I am kinda new to the dyno part of things So this dynojet is called a happy dyno? so they are not good ? and a nice calibrated mustang dyno would be more accurate?

Staz
02-05-2012, 08:10 PM
thats money lol but thanks for the tip, if anyone thats local to me is sellin i may have to consider it though

start saving up . it makes THAT much of a difference

vteckiller2000
02-05-2012, 08:41 PM
thats awesome! that was only second gear without shifting i assume? It would be nice to get some times from other 3.0 V6's though, but cool man thats a good reference point and goes to show just how underpowered i am [headbang]

I couldn't do one gear because I was at like 2k rpm at 20mph. Our gears must be longer then you 3.0 guys. I dont know if the shift helped or hurt me because you can't really shift these too hard into second and keep them happy.

viceprp
02-05-2012, 08:51 PM
Well I am kinda new to the dyno part of things So this dynojet is called a happy dyno? so they are not good ? and a nice calibrated mustang dyno would be more accurate?

Not trying to sound insulting so take no offense. The dynojet is a happy dyno and will read roughly 8% higher the a mustang (more street accurate). On a k03, you won't see much difference but when we talk the difference between 400 vs 430 it does.

Lout Jnr
02-05-2012, 10:54 PM
I couldn't do one gear because I was at like 2k rpm at 20mph. Our gears must be longer then you 3.0 guys. I dont know if the shift helped or hurt me because you can't really shift these too hard into second and keep them happy.

Yeah 3.0 do have different ratios, the op should have the 01e 6speed. What box do you have

vteckiller2000
02-05-2012, 10:57 PM
Yeah 3.0 do have different ratios, the op should have the 01e 6speed. What box do you have

Stock 5 speed 2003 trans.

bondar1989
02-05-2012, 11:44 PM
Not trying to sound insulting so take no offense. The dynojet is a happy dyno and will read roughly 8% higher the a mustang (more street accurate). On a k03, you won't see much difference but when we talk the difference between 400 vs 430 it does.

Yea I see what you mean. It was my first time getting the car on the dyno and I was just trying to see where I was at. So now I know there is differences between different dyno's

vteckiller2000
02-05-2012, 11:48 PM
Cool.

Have you ever done the 1/4 if so what was your time

I went and did the 1/8th and 1/4 mile with the gps box so the OP can have some numbers to compare to.
Stage 2+ car with every external bolt on.

1/8th 9.176@76.01
1/4 14.448@93.75

I didn't launch it hard because it has a new clutch that isn't broken in yet.

Lout Jnr
02-06-2012, 12:31 AM
I know it's a vbox time, but that 1/4 is very optimistic, stage 2+ are a mid 15 second car.

A-FourLO
02-06-2012, 07:31 AM
I couldn't do one gear because I was at like 2k rpm at 20mph. Our gears must be longer then you 3.0 guys. I dont know if the shift helped or hurt me because you can't really shift these too hard into second and keep them happy.

Oh ok well i am about the same RPM in second gear at 20mph, thts why i time it tht way to eliminate the shifting factor becuz everyone shifts differently, also this kinda acts like a street dyno test in a way becuz u start from a low RPM then pull to redline

vteckiller2000
02-06-2012, 08:10 AM
I know it's a vbox time, but that 1/4 is very optimistic, stage 2+ are a mid 15 second car.

I have reason to trust the measurement.

vteckiller2000
02-06-2012, 08:11 AM
Oh ok well i am about the same RPM in second gear at 20mph, thts why i time it tht way to eliminate the shifting factor becuz everyone shifts differently, also this kinda acts like a street dyno test in a way becuz u start from a low RPM then pull to redline

I can redo the test in second, but I also feel like I am derailing this thread.

vteckiller2000
02-06-2012, 08:50 AM
Just ran it again in only second, 4.08 sec.

A-FourLO
02-06-2012, 08:53 AM
I can redo the test in second, but I also feel like I am derailing this thread.

naw man i asked if anyone has comparisons so go right ahead and give your data, also if neone else wishes to contribute please feel free to post your comparison data, i mean yea im sure we will discuss your setup after the tests and so on for ne one else we may discuss their setup after their comparisons also but its cool

A-FourLO
02-06-2012, 08:54 AM
Just ran it again in only second, 4.08 sec.

thats interesting, did you brake boost this time?

vteckiller2000
02-06-2012, 08:56 AM
thats interesting, did you brake boost this time?

Nope, it felt really slow since it took a bit to spool too. The car won't let you brake boost, it cuts throttle if the gas and brake are on at the same time.

A-FourLO
02-06-2012, 08:59 AM
Nope, it felt really slow since it took a bit to spool too. The car won't let you brake boost, it cuts throttle if the gas and brake are on at the same time.

so when you did the prior test using first gear from 20-55 you got the same result as only a second gear pull from 20-55?

Sales@RAI
02-06-2012, 09:01 AM
Wow 14.4 is really good. What was your 60' if you say the launch was bad?

meistah
02-06-2012, 09:18 AM
Wow 14.4 is really good. What was your 60' if you say the launch was bad?

14.4 is k04 with a gutted car good.... But you would know since you set the stage 2+ record with mid 15s, lol

vteckiller2000
02-06-2012, 09:26 AM
so when you did the prior test using first gear from 20-55 you got the same result as only a second gear pull from 20-55?

Yeah, I am assuming it was from the shift. My car shifts really clunky.

vteckiller2000
02-06-2012, 09:28 AM
Wow 14.4 is really good. What was your 60' if you say the launch was bad?

It was 1.977 sec. I held it at 3500 and quickly fed out the clutch. It was pretty jerky, I was just concerned to not slip it too much and get the clutch hot.

To be fair, ambient temp was around 28 degrees and I am running the high octane map.

A-FourLO
02-06-2012, 10:25 AM
It was 1.977 sec. I held it at 3500 and quickly fed out the clutch. It was pretty jerky, I was just concerned to not slip it too much and get the clutch hot.

To be fair, ambient temp was around 28 degrees and I am running the high octane map.

holy geez 28 degrees! you would never catch me in that kinda weather.... South Florida FTW lol, but thanks for testin it out

A-FourLO
02-06-2012, 10:28 AM
14.4 is k04 with a gutted car good.... But you would know since you set the stage 2+ record with mid 15s, lol

hey can you do a 20-55mph test so i can compare? i know an auto has longer gears but its all in fun just as a reference point, and do a first gear pull from 20-55mph, then a second gear only from 20-55mph and give us your results [up]....

meistah
02-06-2012, 10:44 AM
hey can you do a 20-55mph test so i can compare? i know an auto has longer gears but its all in fun just as a reference point, and do a first gear pull from 20-55mph, then a second gear only from 20-55mph and give us your results [up]....

Me?? That's what... 30-90km/h? Lol. Sure I'll do it after work... Weird test but I'm up for it.

EDIT: your time was 6.6? Somethings up... I took some videos of myself doing 0-60 pulls (not brake launching or anything) and IIRC It was a bit under 7 seconds.

A-FourLO
02-06-2012, 11:05 AM
Me?? That's what... 30-90km/h? Lol. Sure I'll do it after work... Weird test but I'm up for it.

ye you lol, oh uh IDK what kilometers that is but yea that would be cool

vteckiller2000
02-06-2012, 11:08 AM
ye you lol, oh uh IDK what kilometers that is but yea that would be cool

32-88 kph I believe.

meistah
02-06-2012, 01:08 PM
Lol I'm guessing 4.0 tops... we'll see though

Zingo_310
02-06-2012, 01:09 PM
I might go out in a little and try.. Need to get gas anyway

meistah
02-06-2012, 01:17 PM
I might go out in a little and try.. Need to get gas anyway

Do eeet. I have a meeting after work so I won't be able to until later tonight

A-FourLO
02-06-2012, 01:36 PM
I might go out in a little and try.. Need to get gas anyway

awesome

meistah
02-06-2012, 02:06 PM
20-55 is the new 60-130

A-FourLO
02-06-2012, 05:13 PM
20-55 is the new 60-130

lol hey well with this test you can gather some data and still be under or at the speed limit [up]

Lout Jnr
02-06-2012, 06:13 PM
20-55 is the new 60-130

HAHAHA soon we will be talking about FATS.

Zingo hurry up and get gas

vteckiller2000
02-06-2012, 06:16 PM
HAHAHA soon we will be talking about FATS.


LOL you mean CAPS?

Zingo_310
02-06-2012, 06:29 PM
HAHAHA soon we will be talking about FATS.

Zingo hurry up and get gas
I don't want to now [:(]
I just rode to gander in my buddies 5.0 Lol..

vteckiller2000
02-06-2012, 06:49 PM
I don't want to now [:(]
I just rode to gander in my buddies 5.0 Lol..

Insert gloating smiley here... [:D]

Zingo_310
02-06-2012, 06:55 PM
Insert gloating smiley here... [:D]

I love his car, so sick.


but anyway, I broke down and went out for a quick spin. I did about 5 or 6 pulls and was getting 5.3s. That was with about 3/8s tank of gas and added weight of a passenger. (180lb brother) lol

I'm JHM tuned both ECU & TCU auto 5 speed with the modded air box. I was running 6.2s going 20-60 then I realized it was to 55. So I was still quicker going to 60

Lout Jnr
02-06-2012, 07:32 PM
I love his car, so sick.


but anyway, I broke down and went out for a quick spin. I did about 5 or 6 pulls and was getting 5.3s. That was with about 3/8s tank of gas and added weight of a passenger. (180lb brother) lol

I'm JHM tuned both ECU & TCU auto 5 speed with the modded air box. I was running 6.2s going 20-60 then I realized it was to 55. So I was still quicker going to 60

We know that the cats are killing your car Zingo, after seeing the video between Keaton's and motorsports car your 20-60 time will dramatically decrease I'm thinking high 3's maybe a dead 4 seconds

Zingo_310
02-06-2012, 07:39 PM
Yeah I know, really can't wait to get those out and gone for good. Having my "little" brother in the car doesn't help either. Still, over a second quicker than ops

Lout Jnr
02-06-2012, 07:45 PM
Yeah that does show that the stock computer isn't going to do much to adapt to the extra flow of the op catless dp's

Zingo_310
02-06-2012, 07:47 PM
That's why I feel like the dps are going to be a huge difference. I'm running stock exhuast up to the mufflers too.

A-FourLO
02-06-2012, 09:26 PM
That's why I feel like the dps are going to be a huge difference. I'm running stock exhuast up to the mufflers too.

were your runs only a second gear pull? or did u pull from first?...regardless i still suck[headbang][facepalm]....i think ima put that stock airbox on an go for a spin sooner than later

motorsports916
02-06-2012, 10:12 PM
I'll do a pull tomorrow and see what's good

Zingo_310
02-06-2012, 10:33 PM
were your runs only a second gear pull? or did u pull from first?...regardless i still suck[headbang][facepalm]....i think ima put that stock airbox on an go for a spin sooner than later

I was pulling from first gear. I didnt really pay attention to rpms really. I might go out and get a video here tomorrow or something. Torque converter kicked in nicely when I punched it.

Def try the modded stock air box. Not just because it is "my" mod, and I use that very lightly. The math and results from it are impressive for something thats "free". While air is being forced into the TB could be reason your car might be sluggish, kind of gasping for air to where some of us the TB is getting air forced down its throat.

Interested in seeing what Mike pulls, as we have identical set ups besides the gutted cats in his. Unless you have the Dps still from test fitting? bastard...

motorsports916
02-06-2012, 10:42 PM
Unless you have the Dps still from test fitting? bastard...


Lol. I wish. I'll get a whole dps back set up here shortly. Just waiting for more moneys.

Zingo_310
02-06-2012, 10:52 PM
Lol. I wish. I'll get a whole dps back set up here shortly. Just waiting for more moneys.

I'm hoping to get a six figure tax return back... lmfao [rolleyes]

I'm going to have a blast taking mine out for the first time alone. I might actually take my cats and shoot them once the dps are installed.

motorsports916
02-06-2012, 11:12 PM
Kill em with fire!

Zingo_310
02-06-2012, 11:13 PM
Kill em with fire!

Whatever I do, it will be on film, and it will be very pleasing.

Lout Jnr
02-06-2012, 11:18 PM
Well you have two so there better be more than one torture method lol

amkmeco
02-07-2012, 12:46 AM
2/4 - 3" single exhaust Version-2 w/ Take-off video (post # 172)
1/29 - Gutting cats beginnings PITA!! (post # 135)
1/28 - 3" single exhaust system w/ VIDEOS (post #112)
1/22 - Bentley Manual (post # 111)
1/18 - WEIGHT Reduction beginning stages
1/13- 1/8th mile results & VIDEO of Run
1/12 - Complete Exterior Reassembly of color matched lowers & grill!
1/11 - Trunk painted & Received Complete Front Control Arm Kit
1/2-1/7 Repair 1/4 panel & Painted parts to color of car
12/31/11 Dynoed 156awhp/182awtq
12/24/11 Purchased the car

This Audi A4 V6 3.0 6-speed i must say it is a very nice car with lots of potential. It has a clean title and 140k miles. I live in miami and this car was a Boston car for all of its life the owner drove down here to live and sold it to me recently. It has alot of rust underneath the car but i am slowly alleviating all of the oxidation and grime from the car as to me this is the only way to learn by taking apart cleaning and putting things back together. Ok on to the fun stuff.

Pic of stock form:
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/A4LRemblemsfar.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/A4Remblems.jpg

Removed emblems:
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/A4LRclean.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/A4Rclean.jpg

18% tints:
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/A4LFtints.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/A4LRtints.jpg

Badgeless grill:
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0626.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0627.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0628.jpg

Pic of temporary intake & engine bay:
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0611.jpg

Dyno Graph & vid:
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/A4dynostock.jpg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2fdkkG4on0

i also have the same car and i really like it. i've a question for you: what did you use to remove the rust underneath the car? and if i'm going to do it by myself, how to do this?

A-FourLO
02-07-2012, 05:40 AM
I was pulling from first gear. I didnt really pay attention to rpms really. I might go out and get a video here tomorrow or something. Torque converter kicked in nicely when I punched it.

Def try the modded stock air box. Not just because it is "my" mod, and I use that very lightly. The math and results from it are impressive for something thats "free". While air is being forced into the TB could be reason your car might be sluggish, kind of gasping for air to where some of us the TB is getting air forced down its throat.

Interested in seeing what Mike pulls, as we have identical set ups besides the gutted cats in his. Unless you have the Dps still from test fitting? bastard...

oh ok maybe you could do a second gear pull just for reference and make sure you are alone in the car, and yes i was thinking of making a vid too but i am uber slow so its nothin special lol, plus in my 1/8th mile Vid you can calculate 0-60 becuz i take second gear deep so when i shift third i was at 60mph.

A-FourLO
02-11-2012, 12:48 PM
Ok got some improved results from the 1/8th mile last nite, and also managed to re-time my 20-55mph 2nd gear pull and improved there as well. IT seems that there was some ECU re-learning necessary. Which makes sense since for 140k plus miles this ECU has been doing the same thing lol.

My 1/8th mile time improved from a previous 10.369 @ 67.1 in stock trim.
I managed to run a 10.156 @ 69 mph last nite with the 3" single catless exhaust. I am def satisfied with the results given the MPH is ~ 1.9 mph improvement and time improved by slightly over .2 tenths, also as a side note the ambient outside temperature was a good 20 degrees warmer than my previous time when i was stock. (Still was 73 degrees outside though).

I did a 2nd gear pull today and had an average time of 6.0s. With some times being as low as 5.8s but that could be attributed to human error IDK. So i knew the 1/8th mile was a def improvement but when i clocked in a 20-55mph 2nd gear pull over .5 tenths quicker than stock that was the "icing on the cake".


Thanks,

Time slips:

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0810.jpg


Video of run action begins at 1:40


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcnMNQOjCgA


20-55mph 2nd gear pull ~6.0s:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGytSzKXqLw

Lout Jnr
02-11-2012, 04:02 PM
Nicely done, that is a good time for stock computer and gutted cats. If you work it out your 1/4 time would have been 15.7, which is great.

bondar1989
02-11-2012, 04:07 PM
winner

motorsports916
02-11-2012, 04:54 PM
Do work, congratulations man. Solid gain.

A-FourLO
02-12-2012, 08:49 AM
jus tryna improve thats wut its all about rite?....but thanks for the support.[up], i had a question what is the best 1/8th mile time that anyone has done with a naturally aspirated 3.0 B6 chassis? I think i have seen a 9.8?

A-FourLO
02-13-2012, 08:45 AM
Well i made a shocking discovery yesterday while removing the intake manifold to do some cleaning and maintenance to the T/B etc...I found a piece of plastic inside one of the cylinder intake ports, and if that was not bad enough i learned that the actuator for the variable intake manifold mechanism inside the manifold was broken, so all my previous testing is null and void becuz i was never able to manipulate the variable length runners. (also there were pieces of plastic broken off of the mechanism that could have been pulled through my motor...What a relief!!) This was so important that I found this becuz the actuator was stuck on the LONG Runners only hence my dyno graph and feeling of the car being choked as the RPM's increase and the inability to rev to redline. Not to mention the dirtiness of the manifold and intake ports i managed to clean a bit of it also the injector tips were filthy and i cleaned them off also.

Conversely i cannot even explain the gain in upper RPM power i am experiencing now. This car wants to pull to redline and then more. I have not done any testing of times as of yet. But i feel i have just breathed new life back into this car so i am very optimistic for the next round of tests. I may try to make back down to the dyno and just so i can get new DYNO numbers becuz i have no idea whats going on with the engine now. Also the 1/8th mile should be sub 10.0s and the street test 20-55mph 2nd gear pull should be sub 6.0s for sure. Anyhow i could go on and on about how excited i am for this find becuz it really changed the whole feel of the car just made it alot more pleasant to drive. On to the pics......

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0828.jpg

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0827.jpg

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0826.jpg

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0825.jpg

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0824.jpg

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0829.jpg

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/IMAG0822.jpg

A-FourLO
02-15-2012, 02:15 PM
Small update, since i did the T/B coolant bypass i decided to flush out the original coolant and add some of this stuff to try and reduce the engine temps a bit. I used a water hose and sprayed it throughout the engine coolant passages and expansion tank to ensure no G12 was left behind. I added one gallon of "Water Kooler" and half gallon of distilled water. I did not notice any fluctuation in the needle though. Suks... ima have to try other ways to cool down this engine becuz i notice it is a bit more responsive when the needle is less than half and gets more sluggish when the needle stabilizes at half (normal Operating temp)

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/waterkooler.jpg

vteckiller2000
02-15-2012, 02:38 PM
Small update, since i did the T/B coolant bypass i decided to flush out the original coolant and add some of this stuff to try and reduce the engine temps a bit. I used a water hose and sprayed it throughout the engine coolant passages and expansion tank to ensure no G12 was left behind. I added one gallon of "Water Kooler" and half gallon of distilled water. I did not notice any fluctuation in the needle though. Suks... ima have to try other ways to cool down this engine becuz i notice it is a bit more responsive when the needle is less than half and gets more sluggish when the needle stabilizes at half (normal Operating temp)

You don't need it to be cooler, it is actually not good for it to a point to run it cool. The reason it feels punchier is because it is in fuel-enrich for warm up and it is running rich and with more timing. If you get a proper tune it will give you the same effect, but with properly and finely modulated fueling. Also, are you supposed to run that stuff in lieu of coolant? I am scared of running anything but g12 in an audi...[o_o]

bondar1989
02-15-2012, 02:50 PM
yes always use the g12 with water. anything else is tragic.

Charles.waite
02-15-2012, 03:12 PM
Small update, since i did the T/B coolant bypass i decided to flush out the original coolant and add some of this stuff to try and reduce the engine temps a bit. I used a water hose and sprayed it throughout the engine coolant passages and expansion tank to ensure no G12 was left behind. I added one gallon of "Water Kooler" and half gallon of distilled water. I did not notice any fluctuation in the needle though. Suks... ima have to try other ways to cool down this engine becuz i notice it is a bit more responsive when the needle is less than half and gets more sluggish when the needle stabilizes at half (normal Operating temp)

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/cubanob247/waterkooler.jpg

That is an absolutely turrible idea.

You seriously WANT your car to run rich and cold??

You can achieve the same thing with proper tuning...

My mind boggles...

ANDROID184
02-15-2012, 04:34 PM
http://i878.photobucket.com/albums/ab342/AUDIDROID/DSC05277.jpg

I had the same problem, make sure yor pcv is good...all my stuff looked like yours when it came apart
I put the intake manifold in the dishwasher, when I knew my roomie would be gone for few hours

Lout Jnr
02-15-2012, 09:00 PM
I put the intake manifold in the dishwasher, when I knew my roomie would be gone for few hours

Hahaha that is awesome, did he ever find out.

OP the only reason it is getting sluggish when it is hot is because your IM is heat soaked.

You need to get some intake manifold spacers, it increases the runner lengths and can drop your IA temps after abuse. JHM has developed some for our cars with noticeable results, but since you like doing things yourself - get yourself some g10 plastic polymer and machine it or buy the JHM kit.

bondar1989
02-15-2012, 10:22 PM
Damn brother you dodged a bullet with that plastic piece in your intake ports. And wow those injectors are yacked. Good stuff though opening it up and cleaning it and finding that piece of plastic. KUDOS to you my friend[up]

bondar1989
02-15-2012, 10:23 PM
And with that water kooler stuff. flush that crap out I hurd only bad shit about that from a wide variety of people who use that in several diff cars I know of. Get some G12 from the dealer or volkwagen. mix it kinda halfway with distilled water and you wil be fine. If you want your IAT's to be lower get a water meth kit and then you will be making moves. you will see a big difference with that more that the water kooler stuff.