B8 S4 Revo Stage 1 Dyno Results!

[suffeks]

does the canadian government receive duties on software you email to dealers for port flashing? ;) if they do not, i see it no different than declaring $0 value for physical ECUs

btw waiting on ttrs software, whoever makes it available first gets my money

[yas]

And, we're now officially off-topic. Welcome to AZ.

[LeadToRome]

And, we're now officially off-topic. Welcome to AZ.Hey ~250 on-topic replies is a pretty good run!

[ilspazzaneve]

does the canadian government receive duties on software you email to dealers for port flashing? ;) if they do not, i see it no different than declaring $0 value for physical ECUs

btw waiting on ttrs software, whoever makes it available first gets my money

Well, seeing as the thread is done anyway...

Yes, a dealer would have to pay Canada border services the HST on whatever they paid APR, let's say $899, then they charge you HST at the point of sale. They then have to forward the extra taxes back to the government. There may be duties too, depending on the class of the item in the customs books. Legally you have to declare the correct duty on the item. Companies who cheat this are committing fraud, and I don't think APR is willing to risk an import ban to Canada for a quick sale.

[suffeks]

GST/HST of course, but how do you duty something going across the internet lol you can't

[ilspazzaneve]

GST/HST of course, but how do you duty something going across the internet lol you can't

Ok, bud, whatever, just keep this number handy (403) 299-1111 Associated Cab when you stop by to get your APR or REVO internet tune

[suffeks]

i was referring to tunes which are port flashed

[NWS4Guy]

i was referring to tunes which are port flashed

You have to ship in the ECU no matter what tuner you use the first time. There is no initial port flash for the B8 yet.

[///mpowered]

The US APR operation only sells directly to customers in the United States of America. We did this in an effort to increase customer service as we recognized several customs related issues in the past. The last thing you want is for your ECU to get stuck in customs for several days, or weeks, while it's shipping from a company to an individual. Shipping directly, many customers have asked us to lie about product prices to get around importation duties. We will not do this. It's illegal. We also have agreements with our Canadian dealers in order to protect their brick and mortar operations by not undercutting pricing in their country. Having an APR dealer right around the corner to help with installs, diagnosis and updates is a valuable advantage and an excellent aspect of our customer service. They pay all of the taxes, shipping and exchange rates to legally bring the products into your country and we intend to respect their business as per our business contracts between our company and theirs.

My willingness to answer your questions via PM deep into the night, every night of the week, including weekends, should be a strong indication to you our customer service is top notch. (Re: Hey Arin | Recipient Users: ///mpowered | 04:03 AM)

I'm really upset to see you feel otherwise.

That said, if you send me a PM with the dealer you were working with, I'll make sure they are informed about our sale. To the best of my knowledge, our Canadian dealers are running the same sale, so the person you spoke to may be ill informed.

I apologize for the thread jack, but this needed to be addressed.




First of all OP, sorry your thread got jacked. I did state in my original post that I will be making my own post about my experience with APR. And I haven't changed my mind on that either. It will come shortly!


Arin,

You know I pm'd you thanking you for all the help and insight you have provided me with. This isn't NEW news. In that same PM I did also vent to you my frustration with the way Evan@APR dealt with me on November 28th 2011. And I got NO response from you Arin until I posted in this thread on December 7th 2011, even though I asked for your help/advice if there was anything you could do to help me out via PM...That was on November 29th 2011!!!

Again, i'll be making my own thread and addressing my experience with APR. Nothing against you Arin, But your sales department........... that's another issue in itself!

I will say though, with the way Evan had no care, concern or empathy with the issues I was having with my local dealers, especially treating me as if my business as a paying customer/ Audi Enthusiast is no good to APR "USA" because I am a Canadian resident....... it's enough for me to NEVER put a APR product on any vehicle I own or reccomend APR to any car enthusiasts I know and meet wherever I go.

You don't set peoples expectations out that you can work with them and get them the product/service they need. To only basically tell them "go kick rocks we don't want your business here, your CANADIAN go find a local dealer" that is just unacceptable in my books! Like seriously WTF??

And seriously don't pull the "Customs" BS card. I worked at UPS long enough to know that declaring the value low on a shipment is deffinately does NOT get flagged as illegal! Canada customs doesn't give a shit about our car performance products. They are more after the BIG item stuff, ie. Drugs, weapons etc... I worked together on many projects with the local authorities. I've been doing low value declared shipment probably for 10 yrs now. You'd be surprised howmany Canadian VENDORS do it as well, having their US suppliers declare their shipments with Low Value. Do you really think ANYONE likes giving the Government Free money through taxes?? don't think so! [headbang]

I've been in management now for 5 yrs, and if I treated ANYONE of my customers/clients the way your sales department especially your sales manager Evan handled the situation.......... that's just a whole different shitstorm!![facepalm]

[jran76]

Can you start your own thread please? No reason to crap up a good thread with this stuff.

Do we have moderators on this forum that can clean this up (and maybe get some decent stickies at the same time)? Jeez....

[Proogz]

Regardless of everything both You and Arin are saying..

The one thing that bugs me the most out of all this ECU flashing business is.

You clearly have a "trusted" dealer here in Southern Ontario I am sure. If these were not your trusted dealers then you would not let them install your products, etc etc. Why is it so hard for you guys to lend it to your MOST TRUSTED dealer and have them do all the ECU business for us? I am aware that all ECU flashing like you said is done behind closed doors. But honestly its becoming a bit unprofessional in the eyes of us Canadians when APR, and Now Revo, and I am pretty sure GIAC are all telling us to send our ECUs in to get flashed. Some of us, do not want to get a rental, some of us do not want to have our cars out of commission. It is plain and simple.

I know that other US customers are also sending their ECUs in to you guys also APR, and REVO. But to be frank and honest they are within your own country. We are across a border who honestly likes to give shit to people on random days. The mere idea of having my ECU sitting in a customs port and not being able to drive my car is just downright uncomfortable for me to do, and unprofessional in my eyes to all the companies offering the flash.

Higher Risk for us.. I know 81bear and Kavan and many others in Canada have sent it in. The power to them. But most of us here are not comfortable with doing so. Why are we getting punished?

I think the easiest way I found how to get my car flashed is to drive down to Strat, get a hotel in the area for two or three days. Have them take the ecu and still SEND it to you guys only to have you guys return it flashed. At the end I have to cross the BORDER to still go through the same deal (Sending the ECU in) but at the end. I do not need to worry about it going across the border physically. The cost for all of that wouldnt justify getting it flashed at all. Just some food for thought.

[jimrobbington]

Wow. This just affirms my want to convert to a used B8 S4 in a few years. In the B7 forum, I am known as a REVO fanboy, and this also backs up my REVO love. Good work!

JR

[///mpowered]

Regardless of everything both You and Arin are saying..

The one thing that bugs me the most out of all this ECU flashing business is.

You clearly have a "trusted" dealer here in Southern Ontario I am sure. If these were not your trusted dealers then you would not let them install your products, etc etc. Why is it so hard for you guys to lend it to your MOST TRUSTED dealer and have them do all the ECU business for us? I am aware that all ECU flashing like you said is done behind closed doors. But honestly its becoming a bit unprofessional in the eyes of us Canadians when APR, and Now Revo, and I am pretty sure GIAC are all telling us to send our ECUs in to get flashed. Some of us, do not want to get a rental, some of us do not want to have our cars out of commission. It is plain and simple.

I know that other US customers are also sending their ECUs in to you guys also APR, and REVO. But to be frank and honest they are within your own country. We are across a border who honestly likes to give shit to people on random days. The mere idea of having my ECU sitting in a customs port and not being able to drive my car is just downright uncomfortable for me to do, and unprofessional in my eyes to all the companies offering the flash.

Higher Risk for us.. I know 81bear and Kavan and many others in Canada have sent it in. The power to them. But most of us here are not comfortable with doing so. Why are we getting punished?

ONE DAY, I wish what you just wrote ^^^^ would come true! Why should I have to pay $1700 Canadian "Fall sale special" + HST tax of 13% = $1921 Canadian Dollars..... to get the same tune from APR that our brothers on US soil can get for $1499 USD on a fully loaded ECU? TELL ME THAT'S NOT BS????? [headbang] And the excuse you get from the local dealers "well you know we gotta send it in and pay for shipping, customs etc.." its really a shame! I don't know how my fellow Canadian Audi enthusiasts handle this non-sense.

I have a great respect for Audi, love the looks, performance and handling..... and the INTERIOR OMG hands down kills BMW lol! And this is coming from a guy that PERSONALLY owns a 2004 BMW E46 M3 as well as a 2005 BMW 330i ZHP M Package. My dad has always been the Audi guy (B5 A4, now just got into the 2011 B8 S4) and im looking into picking up a B5 S4 myself as a DD while the ///M sleeps for fall. Coming from the BMW world and this is more so directed to my Canadian bro's locally in Ontario atleast there is far more greater support for BMW in the performance/tuning scene then there is for Audi. I thought I got rapped with Canadian "BMW" tax dealing with local vendors...... well now I can say I have a better appreciation for the deals I've been getting locally for my BMW's. No sending out the ECU's to get flashed, Dollar for Dollar deals...... AND NOW they work the price out so the TAX IN PRICE you pay, is the equivalant of what you would be paying from a US vendor after shipping! So you basically pay THE SAME price for the same product you would get cheaper in the US give or take a few dollars. [drive]

US Vendors on the BMW boards, I don't even have to tell them about declaring the items I buy as "low value" shipment. It's already known and actively practiced by them already when shipping items to Canada! That's GREAT customer service! Putting your customers needs FIRST! and ensuring a smooth positive experience! non of this BS about "ohh your in Canada..........."

[Kay15]

Regardless of everything both You and Arin are saying..

The one thing that bugs me the most out of all this ECU flashing business is.

You clearly have a "trusted" dealer here in Southern Ontario I am sure. If these were not your trusted dealers then you would not let them install your products, etc etc. Why is it so hard for you guys to lend it to your MOST TRUSTED dealer and have them do all the ECU business for us? I am aware that all ECU flashing like you said is done behind closed doors. But honestly its becoming a bit unprofessional in the eyes of us Canadians when APR, and Now Revo, and I am pretty sure GIAC are all telling us to send our ECUs in to get flashed. Some of us, do not want to get a rental, some of us do not want to have our cars out of commission. It is plain and simple.

I know that other US customers are also sending their ECUs in to you guys also APR, and REVO. But to be frank and honest they are within your own country. We are across a border who honestly likes to give shit to people on random days. The mere idea of having my ECU sitting in a customs port and not being able to drive my car is just downright uncomfortable for me to do, and unprofessional in my eyes to all the companies offering the flash.

Higher Risk for us.. I know 81bear and Kavan and many others in Canada have sent it in. The power to them. But most of us here are not comfortable with doing so. Why are we getting punished?

I think the easiest way I found how to get my car flashed is to drive down to Strat, get a hotel in the area for two or three days. Have them take the ecu and still SEND it to you guys only to have you guys return it flashed. At the end I have to cross the BORDER to still go through the same deal (Sending the ECU in) but at the end. I do not need to worry about it going across the border physically. The cost for all of that wouldnt justify getting it flashed at all. Just some food for thought.

I was lucky I got to do it twice! haha SMH. Giac said potential at dealer flashing though.

[vinny.dtw]

ONE DAY, I wish what you just wrote ^^^^ would come true! Why should I have to pay $1700 Canadian "Fall sale special" + HST tax of 13% = $1921 Canadian Dollars..... to get the same tune from APR that our brothers on US soil can get for $1499 USD on a fully loaded ECU? TELL ME THAT'S NOT BS????? [headbang] And the excuse you get from the local dealers "well you know we gotta send it in and pay for shipping, customs etc.." its really a shame! I don't know how my fellow Canadian Audi enthusiasts handle this non-sense.

I have a great respect for Audi, love the looks, performance and handling..... and the INTERIOR OMG hands down kills BMW lol! And this is coming from a guy that PERSONALLY owns a 2004 BMW E46 M3 as well as a 2005 BMW 330i ZHP M Package. My dad has always been the Audi guy (B5 A4, now just got into the 2011 B8 S4) and im looking into picking up a B5 S4 myself as a DD while the ///M sleeps for fall. Coming from the BMW world and this is more so directed to my Canadian bro's locally in Ontario atleast there is far more greater support for BMW in the performance/tuning scene then there is for Audi. I thought I got rapped with Canadian "BMW" tax dealing with local vendors...... well now I can say I have a better appreciation for the deals I've been getting locally for my BMW's. No sending out the ECU's to get flashed, Dollar for Dollar deals...... AND NOW they work the price out so the TAX IN PRICE you pay, is the equivalant of what you would be paying from a US vendor after shipping! So you basically pay THE SAME price for the same product you would get cheaper in the US give or take a few dollars. [drive]

US Vendors on the BMW boards, I don't even have to tell them about declaring the items I buy as "low value" shipment. It's already known and actively practiced by them already when shipping items to Canada! That's GREAT customer service! Putting your customers needs FIRST! and ensuring a smooth positive experience! non of this BS about "ohh your in Canada..........."

There is an easy solution...

Move away from that god awful country and be in merica. JKJK. Just trying to provide some comic relief.

I'm impressed by the REVO numbers. Lets see more cars and get repeated results.

[Arin@APR]

First of all OP, sorry your thread got jacked. I did state in my original post that I will be making my own post about my experience with APR. And I haven't changed my mind on that either. It will come shortly!


Arin,

You know I pm'd you thanking you for all the help and insight you have provided me with. This isn't NEW news. In that same PM I did also vent to you my frustration with the way Evan@APR dealt with me on November 28th 2011. And I got NO response from you Arin until I posted in this thread on December 7th 2011, even though I asked for your help/advice if there was anything you could do to help me out via PM...That was on November 29th 2011!!!


I took my first vacation of the year around thanksgiving and was actually out of the country and out of the office on business related trips till yesterday. I did my best to answer emails when I had Wifi access from hotels but it was very limited. I apologize for any delay in any emails, pm's, im's, forum posts, voicemails, or phone calls, etc. I actually just checked my PM in box and noticed your PM. Judging by the context of the message, there is no way I would forget reading it, but I have no recollection of reading it. All I can assume is I clicked on the PM and it didn't fully load (crappy internet) and it must have been marked as unread. If I'm not mistaken, this took place while I was in Germany, and yes, the internet was not cooperating all of the time. That's the only excuse I can come up with for not responding. Trust me. I respond to almost everything. I know it's important, so I do it. I don't know for sure how it slipped through the cracks so I apologize.


I will say though, with the way Evan had no care, concern or empathy with the issues I was having with my local dealers, especially treating me as if my business as a paying customer/ Audi Enthusiast is no good to APR "USA" because I am a Canadian resident....... it's enough for me to NEVER put a APR product on any vehicle I own or reccomend APR to any car enthusiasts I know and meet wherever I go.

You don't set peoples expectations out that you can work with them and get them the product/service they need. To only basically tell them "go kick rocks we don't want your business here, your CANADIAN go find a local dealer" that is just unacceptable in my books! Like seriously WTF??

And seriously don't pull the "Customs" BS card. I worked at UPS long enough to know that declaring the value low on a shipment is deffinately does NOT get flagged as illegal! Canada customs doesn't give a shit about our car performance products. They are more after the BIG item stuff, ie. Drugs, weapons etc... I worked together on many projects with the local authorities. I've been doing low value declared shipment probably for 10 yrs now. You'd be surprised howmany Canadian VENDORS do it as well, having their US suppliers declare their shipments with Low Value. Do you really think ANYONE likes giving the Government Free money through taxes?? don't think so! [headbang]

I've been in management now for 5 yrs, and if I treated ANYONE of my customers/clients the way your sales department especially your sales manager Evan handled the situation.......... that's just a whole different shitstorm!![facepalm]

Evan has stated to me he simply told you our policies. We do not ship directly to Canada. This applies to all Canadian citizens. We have an official Canadian importer and many Canadian dealers. These are the policies we have in place and we do not stretch and bend the polices. We have legal contracts with these importers stating we will not ship directly into the country and we respect these agreements. If you feel this is poor customer services, then I have nothing to say that will change your opinion. Evan did not give you poor customer service, he told you a policy and unfortunately you did not like the policy. Likewise, if Evan told you the price of our software, and you did not like the price, it would not be poor customer service.

For what it's worth, many other companies have the same policies.

Apple has the same policies. See "Shipping Policies":
http://store.apple.com/us/help/shipping_delivery

[Zed 2.0]

Could a moderator please fork or delete all this Canadian distributor nonsense? This used to be a really helpful thread.

[///mpowered]

I took my first vacation of the year around thanksgiving and was actually out of the country and out of the office on business related trips till yesterday. I did my best to answer emails when I had Wifi access from hotels but it was very limited. I apologize for any delay in any emails, pm's, im's, forum posts, voicemails, or phone calls, etc. I actually just checked my PM in box and noticed your PM. Judging by the context of the message, there is no way I would forget reading it, but I have no recollection of reading it. All I can assume is I clicked on the PM and it didn't fully load (crappy internet) and it must have been marked as unread. If I'm not mistaken, this took place while I was in Germany, and yes, the internet was not cooperating all of the time. That's the only excuse I can come up with for not responding. Trust me. I respond to almost everything. I know it's important, so I do it. I don't know for sure how it slipped through the cracks so I apologize.



Evan has stated to me he simply told you our policies. We do not ship directly to Canada. This applies to all Canadian citizens. We have an official Canadian importer and many Canadian dealers. These are the policies we have in place and we do not stretch and bend the polices. We have legal contracts with these importers stating we will not ship directly into the country and we respect these agreements. If you feel this is poor customer services, then I have nothing to say that will change your opinion. Evan did not give you poor customer service, he told you a policy and unfortunately you did not like the policy. Likewise, if Evan told you the price of our software, and you did not like the price, it would not be poor customer service.

For what it's worth, many other companies have the same policies.

Apple has the same policies. See "Shipping Policies":
http://store.apple.com/us/help/shipping_delivery

Arin,

Ok granted you were away and had limited access to e-mails and PM's no worries there, as I've said before I have had nothing but good communication with you so far. You've been very nice to me and helpful to me Arin.


You see how you came onto this Thread and atleast CARED to ask me to PM you the dealers info that is giving me a hard time?? Evan as a Sale Manager should be doing the same. As I told you in PM my dad ONLY wanted the Stasis tune because of the whole Audi "Warranty" thing. And you shed your insight on what we can do with a fully loaded APR ECU that would prevent Audi from seeing the tune. My problem is Evan did not care for my business. Whether or not he wants to claim he was following company policy or not. There was no EMPATHY or willingness to help in his responses to me. And Ya I did tell him in e-mail "I wonder what my fellow enthusiast on Audizine or any board would have to say about the way I was treated"

IT IS NOT THAT I DO NOT LIKE YOUR COMPANY'S POLICY. The fact of the matter is I contacted APR directly INQUIRING if I could deal with you guys directly. I ADVISED APR SALES REP I WAS A CANADIAN RESIDENT...... and I WAS TOLD YES this should not be a problem! Fill out the order form and send in the ECU. APR Representative SET MY EXPECTATIONS that you guys WOULD deal with me even though I was in Canada........ and then Evan later on comes in and says "No, we can't sell to you go to your local Canadian APR Dealer" and that was that........... So from that standpoint YES my opinion still remains the same in that is very POOR customer service. as I told you in PM Evan was being a Douche with me that day plain and simple! And Please do not tell me that policy applies for ALL CANADIAN's as I know quite a few guys from the local car club that have dealt DIRECTLY with APR.


Don't bring up APPLE's Company policy either! I am a Canadian Resident and got my Iphone 4 directly from Apple USA. They ship to Canada just fine, I can post the shipping labels to prove it! Even Apple was able to recognize the need to bend "Company Policy" in order to best satisfy and MEET THE NEEDS of their paying Customer! Feedback OWNS ALL at the end of the day! Potential Customers rely on POSITIVE feedback to feel confident in dealing Vendors/Manufactures especially cross boarder!

APR has a stand up reputation, which is why I was very interested in the products your company makes/designs. But as I said after this experience i'll take my business and hard earned money elsewhere personally!

Let's not take up any more threads in this "Revo Stage 1 thread" Go REVO the tune #'s are looking Great! Can't wait so see some comparison vid's! [drive]

[///mpowered]

Could a moderator please fork or delete all this Canadian distributor nonsense? This used to be a really helpful thread.

Sorry this thread has turned into this. Deffinately was not my intention!

[PsYkHoTiK]

Funny. You posted nice and long and bolded last sentence to make it semi relevant. [:D]

Make your own thread dude (you said you were going to on your first post)... (but hey this is AZ lol - personally I'd recommend what LOU did and drive down to AL lmao)

[richib86]

Funny. You posted nice and long and bolded last sentence to make it semi relevant. [:D]

Make your own thread dude (you said you were going to on your first post)... (but hey this is AZ lol - personally I'd recommend what LOU did and drive down to AL lmao)damn canadians lol jk

[81bear]

Funny. You posted nice and long and bolded last sentence to make it semi relevant. [:D]

Make your own thread dude (you said you were going to on your first post)... (but hey this is AZ lol - personally I'd recommend what LOU did and drive down to AL lmao)

AKA the WILD WILD WEST! lol!

[jran76]

Serious question.... Are there moderators in this forum with the power to edit threads and change the stickies? What's the deal? This forum has a plethora of great resources, but a lot of it gets lost in the junk. Can we nominate a few people as mods to take care of this?

[///mpowered]

Funny. You posted nice and long and bolded last sentence to make it semi relevant. [:D]

Make your own thread dude (you said you were going to on your first post)... (but hey this is AZ lol - personally I'd recommend what LOU did and drive down to AL lmao)

LOL I know I know! I just get really passionate with this BS Cross boarder sales and experience I had with APR. Moving forward in this thread i'll keep the responses directed to and about the Revo Stage 1 tune! :D

[atombomb33]

Could a moderator please fork or delete all this Canadian distributor nonsense? This used to be a really helpful thread.

Agreed. I sent a note to the mods asking them to remove all the APR/Canada conversation and to place it into a new thread.

[svander]

mothereffing [facepalm] all around here...

[RudeJude518]

Sooooooo when is a Revo stage 2/pulley upgrade gonna happen?

[tribe]

I know this is off topic but I'm really excited to get my REVO S1 on Monday!

Anyone know a good AW Dyno in the DC area?

[Eweezy27]

I know this is off topic but I'm really excited to get my REVO S1 on Monday!

Anyone know a good AW Dyno in the DC area?

I'm up for a ride to Baltimore, RAI has an AWD dyno and Ive been wanting to dyno my State II+ for a while now

[Operator]

^^ Was just going to post that. But wasn't sure if there was a dyno closer than an hour.

[CAA]

I'm up for a ride to Baltimore, RAI has an AWD dyno and Ive been wanting to dyno my State II+ for a while now

Eric - I'm getting my tune the same day and shop as Tribe. I'd run up to B'more with you guys if you go.[:D]

[willyspub]

(and maybe get some decent stickies at the same time)?

I don't understand. What, you don't look at the (locked) carbon build-up sticky all the time, maybe because it just kicks to the separate real thread? And you don't see why, for example, the wheel/tire discussion and the VCDS highlight thread are left to float around in the ether?

But more seriously, that's a interesting question. Blake, what kind of flexibility do you have to realign things?

[jran76]

Haha. It's great having a bunch of useless threads stickied. I just got my Ross-Tech VAGCOM two days ago, and fully expected to find that thread stickied being as it is one of the more useful threads. But, nope???

I vote for the VCDS thread and tire/wheel fitment thread to be stickied at a minimum (in place of the carbon build-up thread, and I think we can do away with the water pump support group thread at this point).

[suffeks]

You have to ship in the ECU no matter what tuner you use the first time. There is no initial port flash for the B8 yet.

ok to be super clear: port flashing cars that can be port flashed from the start, of course not the b8, take older vw gti's for example, yes? no way canada gets duty on soft delivered via internet. done. back on topic now :)

[Symko]

You'll get a faster more appropriate response if you just PM the Revo rep (RevoTechnik-GM). Then you can start a thread in the Q7 forum and go from there...

Tried multiple times but inbox was always full. I got an answer though, thx.

[Symko]

Hey Dave,

Just pick up the phone and call Revo. I had a few questions this week regarding the tune for my S4 and they were very helpful. I would get your confirmation directly from the source. They're at (770) 271-4726 - choose option 1 for sales and they're on EST.

Good luck.



I'll try that as well, thx.

Dave

[tribe]

Eric - I'm getting my tune the same day and shop as Tribe. I'd run up to B'more with you guys if you go.[:D]

I'm in om that one!

[LeadToRome]

Tribe, CAA - where are you getting the tune done? (I'm in MoCo) And excuse my ignorance but don't you have to leave the car whle they ship the ECU back and forth? Are your cars at the shop now? Thanks.

[tribe]

Tribe, CAA - where are you getting the tune done? (I'm in MoCo) And excuse my ignorance but don't you have to leave the car whle they ship the ECU back and forth? Are your cars at the shop now? Thanks.

We're doing it here http://www.drakeauto.net/revoflash.html and yes I leave the car on Monday and pick it up on Wednesday...

[bimmerhead12]

We're doing it here http://www.drakeauto.net/revoflash.html and yes I leave the car on Monday and pick it up on Wednesday...

Can't wait to see the results guys.. I work in Arlington, VA but live in the Baltimore/Annapolis area.. let me know if you guys dyno in Bmore!

Ryan

[Eweezy27]

We're doing it here http://www.drakeauto.net/revoflash.html and yes I leave the car on Monday and pick it up on Wednesday...

Damn, I have never even heard of this place and its right around the corner from me. Let me know when you get the car back so we can do a Baltimore run for some same day dyno numbers.

[r32breeze]

Any results for REVO Stage I vs APR Stage II+?

[RevoTechnik-GM]

Any results for REVO Stage I vs APR Stage II+?

Have you seen this thread? -Official-1-4th-Quarter-Mile-Drag-Strip-Times.?highlight=APR+Time+Slips (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/400241-Official-1-4th-Quarter-Mile-Drag-Strip-Times.?highlight=APR+Time+Slips)

There's a few below it, and a few above it.
It's a VERY respectable result for a Stage 1 tune, with no additional modifications, to beat out soo many others.

I'm sure they'll be plenty more results to share soon, we've been receiving a lot of ECU's over the past two weeks.

[Wizard-of-OD]

Hello Everyone,
incredibly sorry for the thread jack and cudos to Revo for the new B8 3.0S software.Job well done , however, I am going to address the Canadians in here [:)]

does the canadian government receive duties on software you email to dealers for port flashing? ;) if they do not, i see it no different than declaring $0 value for physical ECUs
btw waiting on ttrs software, whoever makes it available first gets my money
If APR runs their business like any NORMAL company (i.e. not one to skimp on pennies....) then they would submit annual reports to their government which in turns submits to your government. Do we charge HST on flashes whether through OBD port or through mailing APR an ECUY?? YES absolutely.
Any dealer that does not charge HST on flashes is asking for trouble because eventually you will be caught , not today or tomorrow but it WILL happen.
That is just the way a proper business runs people.


I hope Revo has better customer service then APR for you brother! APR refused deal with me directly because I am in Canada and only wanted to direct me to my "local dealers" who weren't willing to participate in the current "Fall Sales special APR is offering" Talk about Inflation on the Canadian side of the boarder for APR's product.........not to mention the fact that Carbonio is literally 15 mins away from where I live either!!! The catcher is NOWHERE is it stated on APR website that Canadian customers can only deal with their local Canadian Dealers, its stated "You can obtain APR product through your local dealer, or directly through APR Very disappointed in the customer service I recieved from APR. I will deffinately be making my own thread about this experience shortly!! [headbang]
All APR dealer's (and sub dealers) are offering the fall special. If an APR dealer is not offering this then send me there shop info via PM and I will do my best to assist you. You can order Carbonio products through any APR dealer so not sure what the reference to Carbonio has to do with your post. APR does not refuse to deal with customers in Canada, they simply forward them to a local APR dealer that can assist them. On average we deal with 10-15 customers a WEEK that are sent to us via Evan@APR who have no idea there is an APR dealer in Canada.

And seriously don't pull the "Customs" BS card. I worked at UPS long enough to know that declaring the value low on a shipment is deffinately does NOT get flagged as illegal! Canada customs doesn't give a shit about our car performance products.
FACT : That is illegal
...and when you are caught you create 2 problems.
1. You are flagged FOR LIFE on any package that comes across the border
2. APR is flagged FOR LIFE for any package that enters Canada.

Devaluing packages so you can skimp on GST (5%) is fraud and stating customs does not "give a shit" is incorrect. They do "give a shit" and you risk your cross border privlages every time you do it....unless you prefer staying at the border for 3-4 hours at a time every time you cross.
<**** recieve on average 80-100 boxes / week from the US [;)]


Don't bring up APPLE's Company policy either! I am a Canadian Resident and got my Iphone 4 directly from Apple USA. They ship to Canada just fine, I can post the shipping labels to prove it! Even Apple was able to recognize the need to bend "Company Policy" in order to best satisfy and MEET THE NEEDS of their paying Customer!
And when it entered into Canada you paid the Brokerage Fee + HST.
The only way you paid face value for an Apple product (i.e. was joe blow could walk into Apple store in LA and buy it for) is if you smugled it across. Are you openly admitting on a public forum that you are smuggling components into Canada or that Apple did this for you?? Didnt think so [;)]

CANADIANS WILL ALWAYS PAY USD PRICE + SHIPPING + DUTY + BROKERAGE + HST

If product is made in a preferred trading country (USA, Germany , etc) then Duty = 0
If you have an account with UPS or you have a rep then Brokerage = fixed fee @ $29 - $49 depending on how much volume you do
HST = HST , it is a tax which all Canadians pay which they get back in return IF they do there taxes properly
SHIPPING = SHIPPING ....americans pay that as well


ONE DAY, I wish what you just wrote ^^^^ would come true! Why should I have to pay $1700 Canadian "Fall sale special" + HST tax of 13% = $1921 Canadian Dollars..... to get the same tune from APR that our brothers on US soil can get for $1499 USD on a fully loaded ECU? TELL ME THAT'S NOT BS????? [headbang] And the excuse you get from the local dealers "well you know we gotta send it in and pay for shipping, customs etc.." its really a shame! I don't know how my fellow Canadian Audi enthusiasts handle this non-sense.
I do not mean to lecture anyone and yes it sucks living in Canada at times but do it the legal way and write off the expense as a company or personal expense.

Lets work this out for a minute. If you got a B8 S4 flash through INA Engineering Inc. This is what you would pay:

APR Price (sale price or not) + Shipping ECU to APR + Shipping ECU from APR to INA + $29 brokerage (for UPS) + HST .

Many people forget that shipping value determins insurance value
If the ecu is valued @ $1400 USD (value of the APR tune) you will pay approx : $182
If the ecu is valued @ 100 USD you will pay approx : $13

What will happen if UPS loses the ECU? you will get $100 vs $1400. Is skimping on $170 worth it? If you do your annual taxes properly , you can write off the HST and get it back later on down the road and to be quite honest , if you own a B8 S4 and you are doing a close to $2000 upgrade then HST should be the least of your problems (HST which you will get back anyway).

I am really sorry you are irate about this and I am sorry for the off topic but I get the feeling that you are trying to give out a misconception about what is your reality and what is actual reality.

If you are not satisfied with the service you got with your local APR dealer then please again do not hesitate to contact us. We do house calls for all B8 S4 / S5 and A6 customers who want ECU reflashes (so your car does not stay in some garage's parking lot).

HTH

[ilspazzaneve]

^^^ Lol easy buddy!

I think I stated clearly enough in my original reply about the issues of cheating at the border. Too bad you aren't near Toronto. Your house call offer would please quite a few people here. But you're not in the APR thread...

You have the right idea but your post is full of misinformation on taxes and duty, i.e. when and how duty is charged, what can be claimed as a personal expense, the all-important "country of origin", I don't want to keep on the thread with this, you have good intentions. You can PM if you like but it's not important, so long as people don't use your guide as a bible to Canadian taxes and duty.

I think we're all agreed it's better not to cheat the system - claim fair value for best results, and don't get upset if the AZ vendors don't want to cheat the system for a sale.

[Wizard-of-OD]

You have the right idea but your post is full of misinformation on taxes and duty, i.e. when and how duty is charged, what can be claimed as a personal expense, the all-important "country of origin", I don't want to keep on the thread with this, you have good intentions. You can PM if you like but it's not important, so long as people don't use your guide as a bible to Canadian taxes and duty.
They can absolutely use this as a guide but not as a bible as each situation is different. We do 2 weekly trips across the US / Canadian border brokering parts in for people in Ontario / Quebec and other provinces and have been dealing with UPS for 5+ years now. The above scenario is as simplistic as it gets.
Country of Origin = USA = Preferred trading country / free trade (which was posted above).
This is really off topic and I dont mean to get into this on a public forum but I want Canadians to have a clear understanding of what is going on.

[CAA]

I picked my car up about an hour ago - it now has the Revo 93 flash. The SPS unit is pretty slick as well. I'm coming from a completely stock car and only drove about 10 miles back to the office but HOLY SHIT!!! [drool] The car has been transformed. I'll provide a more detailed write up after I have some more seat time but I feel like I have a new car.

[dawei213]

I picked my car up about an hour ago - it now has the Revo 93 flash. The SPS unit is pretty slick as well. I'm coming from a completely stock car and only drove about 10 miles back to the office but HOLY SHIT!!! [drool] The car has been transformed. I'll provide a more detailed write up after I have some more seat time but I feel like I have a new car.

Nice! I'll be joining the group in a few days. Are you planning to get a dyno? I am.

[CAA]

Nice! I'll be joining the group in a few days. Are you planning to get a dyno? I am.

I think we're (local S4 guys in NoVa) planning on heading up to Baltimore as a group. Tribe's install was delayed a few days so this may wait until the new year with Christmas next weekend.....

[IvanS4]

Nice! I'll be joining the group in a few days. Are you planning to get a dyno? I am.

Excellent - I'm picking up my Revo-equipped car up on Friday. My issue is that I don't know where I'll dyno it, since I'm in Westchester, NY.

[PsYkHoTiK]

If it's possible, get a baseline dyno before the chip. It's the spaces between the lines (stock vs chipped on the same dyno) that's most interesting. Everything else is just a number. [:)]

And equally important, VAG COM logs before and after (any good shop that regularly does Audis should know how to - as it can be done during the dyno too). Stuff like RPM, Timing pull, Boost (specified and absolute) would be very beneficial to the community (and sorely missing).

[madmadS4]

Excellent - I'm picking up my Revo-equipped car up on Friday. My issue is that I don't know where I'll dyno it, since I'm in Westchester, NY.

Hey can I come check it out?

[IvanS4]

Hey can I come check it out?

PMed.

[dawei213]

If it's possible, get a baseline dyno before the chip. It's the spaces between the lines (stock vs chipped on the same dyno) that's most interesting. Everything else is just a number. [:)]

And equally important, VAG COM logs before and after (any good shop that regularly does Audis should know how to - as it can be done during the dyno too). Stuff like RPM, Timing pull, Boost (specified and absolute) would be very beneficial to the community (and sorely missing).

Well, I can use the SPS to set to the stock map, run to get a baseline and then use the SPS again for the optimized 93 tune. I'll be getting the numbers at AWE Tuning so I hope they'll be able to help me get some VAG-COM logs.

If there's anything else that would be helpful to get, please let me know.

[PsYkHoTiK]

Well, I can use the SPS to set to the stock map, run to get a baseline and then use the SPS again for the optimized 93 tune. I'll be getting the numbers at AWE Tuning so I hope they'll be able to help me get some VAG-COM logs.

If there's anything else that would be helpful to get, please let me know.
Be sure to run the car around for a few minutes to allow everything to re-adapt. But if you're running it at AWE, it should be alright. They should know what to do (pretty sure they'll be interested in looking at it too). Thanks! I know a LOT of us will appreciate some good logs. [:)]

[Restless]

[QUOTE=IvanS4;7109973]Excellent - I'm picking up my Revo-equipped car up on Friday. My issue is that I don't know where I'll dyno it, since I'm in Westchester, NY.
Where are you getting it done? I'm getting itchy. Thanks.

[NWS4Guy]

Well, I can use the SPS to set to the stock map, run to get a baseline and then use the SPS again for the optimized 93 tune. I'll be getting the numbers at AWE Tuning so I hope they'll be able to help me get some VAG-COM logs.

If there's anything else that would be helpful to get, please let me know.
Assuming that the SPS setting for stock is really what Audi programmed.

[RevoTechnik-GM]

Assuming that the SPS setting for stock is really what Audi programmed.

Our Stock setting is a 100% TRUE stock file.

[IvanS4]

[QUOTE=IvanS4;7109973]Excellent - I'm picking up my Revo-equipped car up on Friday. My issue is that I don't know where I'll dyno it, since I'm in Westchester, NY.
Where are you getting it done? I'm getting itchy. Thanks.

Rennsport - Bedford Hills, NY.

[steve0827]

[QUOTE=IvanS4;7109973]Excellent - I'm picking up my Revo-equipped car up on Friday. My issue is that I don't know where I'll dyno it, since I'm in Westchester, NY.
Where are you getting it done? I'm getting itchy. Thanks.

I would love to meet with you guys some time and see how the tune is. I'm contemplating it myself.

[NWS4Guy]

Our Stock setting is a 100% TRUE stock file.

Good to know, thanks! [up]

[atombomb33]

Our Stock setting is a 100% TRUE stock file.

Any chance you would be willing/able to provide proof that the stock file is indeed an OEM stock file?

[RevoTechnik-GM]

Our dealers have full access to the Stock files for all of our applications within our server system.

This is for use in the event that the customer wants to remove Revo completely, or if they make a mistake during the flashing process and need to start from scratch.
(IE: Letting the car battery go dead during the process, or disrupting the cable by accident, ect...)
On most applications our Revo Tools will allow you to pick up the flashing process exactly where it left off, but in some instances you may have to flash the car back to 100% stock and begin again.

This same stock file, which is 100% OEM calibration, is used as our "Stock Mode" on our switchable software for the Simos ECU in the 3.0 TFSI motor.

[tribe]

My REVO dealer said that there is a software to allow some tweaking/ fine tuning moving some sliders through the SPS?

[jimrobbington]

My REVO dealer said that there is a software to allow some tweaking/ fine tuning moving some sliders through the SPS?

Typically in REVO tunes, your can adjust 3 parameters. Boost, fuel, and timing. All on a scale of 0-9. This is awesome, because during the winter at my elevation, I can bump the timing up a notch and get better performance through the cold season. You add a FMIC, you can probably turn boost up a notch, etc...

I am only assuming it will be similar for your supercharged platform. REVO FTMFW!

JR

[theKB]

does the car go into a hard limp if it loses battery power much like other revo files?

[jimrobbington]

does the car go into a hard limp if it loses battery power much like other revo files?

Mine has never limped. If battery loses power for too long, settings return to stock, no limp.

JR

[RevoTechnik-GM]

My REVO dealer said that there is a software to allow some tweaking/ fine tuning moving some sliders through the SPS?

That is an added feature on a handful of out software applications, but not the case with the Audi B8 S4/S5.

In this particular application the SPS device will only allow you to switch between Stock and 3 specifically engineered performance options.

91 Octane / 93 Octane / Race Fuel
or
93 Octane / 100 Octane / Valet
or
91 Octane / 100 Octane / Valet

[NWS4Guy]

Typically in REVO tunes, your can adjust 3 parameters. Boost, fuel, and timing. All on a scale of 0-9. This is awesome, because during the winter at my elevation, I can bump the timing up a notch and get better performance through the cold season. You add a FMIC, you can probably turn boost up a notch, etc...

I am only assuming it will be similar for your supercharged platform. REVO FTMFW!

JR

Our platform has intercoolers integrated into the supercharger, it's water to air, so there would be nothing gained from putting the intercooler in the front of the car when the boosted air stays right between the throttlebody and the intake runners.

[tomh009]

Typically in REVO tunes, your can adjust 3 parameters. Boost, fuel, and timing. All on a scale of 0-9. This is awesome, because during the winter at my elevation, I can bump the timing up a notch and get better performance through the cold season. You add a FMIC, you can probably turn boost up a notch, etc...

I am only assuming it will be similar for your supercharged platform. REVO FTMFW!

Apparently not ...


That is an added feature on a handful of out software applications, but not the case with the Audi B8 S4/S5.

In this particular application the SPS device will only allow you to switch between Stock and 3 specifically engineered performance options.

91 Octane / 93 Octane / Race Fuel
or
93 Octane / 100 Octane / Valet
or
91 Octane / 100 Octane / Valet

[jimrobbington]

Hmmm, interesting. Is there a specific reason REVO has left the user tweaking out on this tune? Will it be added in the future?

JR

[NunyaBiz]

I heart the "more info" guys [:)]

[Auditude2.0T]

More results, races, dyno's and track numbers coming in the coming weeks/months! Sorry for ignoring the thread for a little, been busy with work and school. More info and results coming :)

[tsivas27]

More results, races, dyno's and track numbers coming in the coming weeks/months! Sorry for ignoring the thread for a little, been busy with work and school. More info and results coming :)

can't wait !


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[ddaudi]

Gas Mileage??
I had my stock B8S4 dyno'd and the result showed a pretty high A/F ratio. Does the Revo tune, with its lowered A/F ratio cause a drop in gas mileage (I mean when driving sanely!).

[Auditude2.0T]

The average miles per gallon is around 21mpg 60% city and 40% highway. Stock I was around 23mpg.

[IvanS4]

Gas Mileage??
I had my stock B8S4 dyno'd and the result showed a pretty high A/F ratio. Does the Revo tune, with its lowered A/F ratio cause a drop in gas mileage (I mean when driving sanely!).

It hasn't affected my mileage. http://www.fuelly.com/driver/IvanS4/s4-5/ The only thing that affects my mileage is city vs highway and my right foot.

[dawei213]

Hasn't affected my mileage either. Still running around 17 mpg city, 22 mpg mixed and 27 mpg all highway.

[jemarent]

this was a very interesting thread. What happened? Did the tread get moved?

[TKim]

Yes, I second jemarent last post -- what happened to this thread?

In the middle of my "research" on tunes, and all I see are threads of guys getting made fun of for asking and being told to go research.

[Auditude2.0T]

This was my fathers DSG- he switched to GIAC. Check out our Vbox thread and logs thread under my name and Tsivas27

[KayS4]

So you left REVO for GIAC? Guess that DSG Tune helped make the choice?

[Wusty]

This was my fathers DSG- he switched to GIAC. Check out our Vbox thread and logs thread under my name and Tsivas27

I remembered you saying your Dad was going to switch tunes. You never really elaborated on why? Revo Stage 1 is the most potent Stage 1 of the bunch. Did he want less power? Or did he go GIAC stage 2?

[jemarent]

I was going to ask a similar question. I'm considering the revo stage 1 but want to investigate all the options. My main concern is jeopardizing my CPO since i have another 57k of warranty left.

[theKB]

I was going to ask a similar question. I'm considering the revo stage 1 but want to investigate all the options. My main concern is jeopardizing my CPO since i have another 57k of warranty left.

Your extended warranty and warranty will be void with any tune, even stasis.

[jemarent]

yea, i understand that completely. But whatever i can do to protect myself the better. I am considering getting another ECU but not sure how the steelership will react to that request. I assume it's at least $1500 too. Is it true there's no way to flash back to complete stock once an ECU has been tampered with?

[Wusty]

yea, i understand that completely. But whatever i can do to protect myself the better. I am considering getting another ECU but not sure how the steelership will react to that request. I assume it's at least $1500 too. Is it true there's no way to flash back to complete stock once an ECU has been tampered with?

Nope, once your flashed and even if you can flash back, your hosed. It's like getting a tattoo and then getting it removed, it's always gonna leave a mark :-)

[richib86]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4B46fWWr-18/T2UIXYrTweI/AAAAAAAAbsY/XT--4q5luug/s1600/car+exploding.gif

[Ynnekdude]

I remembered you saying your Dad was going to switch tunes. You never really elaborated on why? Revo Stage 1 is the most potent Stage 1 of the bunch. Did he want less power? Or did he go GIAC stage 2?


So you left REVO for GIAC? Guess that DSG Tune helped make the choice?

I will let Auditude respond but one of the reasons for the switch related the extremely aggressive, or as some would say, "dangerous" timing of the REVO tune.


Nope, once your flashed and even if you can flash back, your hosed. It's like getting a tattoo and then getting it removed, it's always gonna leave a mark :-)

Unless there have been some new developments that I am unaware of, so long as the car is flashed to stock prior to visiting the dealer, there will not be an automatic TD1 flag. However, the dealer is still able to manually input TD1 flags.

Still, if one's main concern is jeopardizing their warranty, my advice is to completely abstain from tuning/modding at all.

[theKB]

yea, i understand that completely. But whatever i can do to protect myself the better. I am considering getting another ECU but not sure how the steelership will react to that request. I assume it's at least $1500 too. Is it true there's no way to flash back to complete stock once an ECU has been tampered with?

also only the dealership as of now can reprogram and sync keys and immobilizers as of now. (IIRC)

[NWS4Guy]

also only the dealership as of now can reprogram and sync keys and immobilizers as of now. (IIRC)

yep, if you want to protect yourself as best you can, the answer is this:

Stay stock.

[Wusty]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4B46fWWr-18/T2UIXYrTweI/AAAAAAAAbsY/XT--4q5luug/s1600/car+exploding.gif

[:D] This made me laugh.

I respect the precaution in switching from REVO to GIAC if the explosion was your concern [:D] I wouldn't want to deal with that either, but considering the statistics, we've heard of how many blown engines from their tune? 1? 2? 3? out of how many? Thousands? Let's say 3 engines out of 2,000, meaning 0.00015% chance it will happen. Not bad odds. Maybe I wouldn't worry about it that much.

[jemarent]

i know but it's hard when i jumped to the 3.0t because of all the potential that motor has vs the 4.2 in my last s4. I'll try and be patient.

So there has been reported engine failures with the Revo tune? I asked them the other day when i called Stasis and they said "not that we know of". How about GIAC or APR? Have they been proven to be more reliable?

[wwhan]

....So there has been reported engine failures with the Revo tune? ..... How about GIAC or APR? Have they been proven to be more reliable?

There have been 3.0T S4 engine failures, without a tune.


http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/420515-Oil-Pressure-Warning-Light?p=6339293&viewfull=1#post6339293

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/420869-My-S4-just-gave-me-an-1st-anniversary-gift-New-Engine?p=6339019&viewfull=1#post6339019
(http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/420869-My-S4-just-gave-me-an-1st-anniversary-gift-New-Engine?p=6339019&viewfull=1#post6339019)


http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/399827-Complete-Engine-Failure-857-Miles-on-the-Odometer?p=5935154&viewfull=1#post5935154 (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/399827-Complete-Engine-Failure-857-Miles-on-the-Odometer?p=5935154&viewfull=1#post5935154)

[crazyfool]

I got the Revo Stage 1 reflash and my S4 is putting down 327whp vs 290whp stock on a mustang dyno. Why am I not getting similar results?

[TexasDfwS4]

Dyno is skewed if they straped down differently or any thing the numbers will be affected. I think the best thing I've heard is the trap speed won't lie. I plan to go to the track to see what my efforts are.

[saxon]

I got the Revo Stage 1 reflash and my S4 is putting down 327whp vs 290whp stock on a mustang dyno. Why am I not getting similar results?

on a mustang dyno i would say thats typical, about 20hp less that what i made with my stage 2 car, and our stock hp was almost identical

[crazyfool]

on a mustang dyno i would say thats typical, about 20hp less that what i made with my stage 2 car, and our stock hp was almost identical

I was thinking the same. Another guy with an APR Stage 2 was putting down the same numbers as I was. So I'm assuming that the numbers were consistently off.

[crazyfool]

Wow, I just realized that the dyno tech put my car's weight as 4,750lbs!

I know that strictly speaking weight makes no difference as to what the actual horsepower is, but load dynos like Mustang Dynos use a reference weight (correct me if I'm wrong). Could entering the wrong weight cause the dyno to be off by that much?

[crazyfool]

I just went back and had them retest it. We put my car on load cells and weighed it at 3,975lbs without a driver and a half-tank of gas. The dyno was adjusted to the correct weight and I was much happier with the numbers: 327 AWHP on a Mustang Dyno on 91 Octane and about 335 AWHP on 93 Octane. On a DynoJet that usually translates to about 375 AWHP (12%).