APR vs GIAC

[m4ttt0]

which one do you have and why?

both are prices somewhere near the same, i see more people with the APR why is that? is the GIAC upgrade no good? how about the REVO please guys let me know what you think.

[surfpunk]

I love my giac tune. I got it because of the only local tune being my Audi dealer with giac. The only downside is the lack of mil delete for the test pipe. I went with the 034 high flow cat, which works great, minus the unburnt gas smell of the test pipe:-)

[srcrash715]

Just to let you know people may or may not bombard you with why didnt you search posts, but there are tons of threads out there covering the issue. Im not trying to be an ass just letting you know, but I have a revo tune pm me and I will give you the ups and downs on it

[Operator]

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=85612&highlight=apr+revo+giac
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=188336&highlight=apr+revo+giac
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=232620&highlight=chip
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=292014&highlight=chip
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=236854&highlight=chip
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=246145&highlight=chip
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=214571&highlight=chip
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=291371&highlight=apr
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=282211&highlight=apr
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=273301&highlight=apr
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=233524&highlight=apr
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=267631&highlight=giac
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=175958&highlight=giac
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=112237&highlight=giac
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=290509&highlight=revo
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=218768&highlight=revo
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=207875&highlight=revo
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=201502&highlight=revo
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=188336&highlight=revo
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=140148&highlight=revo
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=105830&highlight=revo
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=85156&highlight=revo
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79345&highlight=revo

[m4ttt0]

oh yeah what turbo does this car come with?

like revo has a difference between a k04 and k03 tune. whats the diff?

[m4ttt0]

my thing was a personal note. not the actual specs. the specs are on each of their websites i was jw if anyone has driven 2 or more and what the difference is between the 3 in a real life situation.

[papadelogan]

DAYUM Operator!!! That's THOROUGH!!!

I went APR because 1) the had it on sale, 2) multiple tunes, 3) many people have been very pleased with their offerings, 4) I had a good shop reasonably close by, and 5) canned tunes will be good enough for me since I'll be swapping the whole drivetrain in a year or two.

[srcrash715]

I have seen operator use that list before lol, its almost like he has it on "speed dial"(couldnt think of a better thing to call it)

[Operator]

DAYUM Operator!!! That's THOROUGH!!!



Swing up to FOCO for the meet this Saturday.


I have seen operator use that list before lol, its almost like he has it on "speed dial"(couldnt think of a better thing to call it)

Believe it or not, I do a quick search for it and boom!! But yeh, I think I started using that a year or 2 ago. Don't know how much more info people are looking for...

[daudic]

APR because it is local, I got to test it for 6 hours for free, and it got good reviews.

[b7kevin]

http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/DumbThread.jpg

[DRAKLORE]

Whether or not your car is lower or higher on audis color gravity scale determines I'd you have a KO4 or KO3, I think it has something to do with the specific density of what hemisphere or your in?! Someone correct me, I'm sure a simple search will show if it's density or gram/mass calculations..
Good luck

[A4A4A4]

Whether or not your car is lower or higher on audis color gravity scale determines I'd you have a KO4 or KO3, I think it has something to do with the specific density of what hemisphere or your in?! Someone correct me, I'm sure a simple search will show if it's density or gram/mass calculations..
Good luck
Close but not quite Shane. I believe in order to have the KO4 you need to be over 1000 kg/m*3 and have an electromagnetic frequency above 10 *14 Hz (Right around light blue I believe), if you're under either of those you're stuck with the K03. Obviously this is only if you're east of the international date line though, those west have K05's standard.

[blazeblunts4]

APR is more prominent in the US, but GIAC is more popular in other countries, but in the end, they will both work. I would say if you want a Ko4 go GIAC, but if you want bigger, go APR stage 3

[A42007]

Close but not quite Shane. I believe in order to have the KO4 you need to be over 1000 kg/m*3 and have an electromagnetic frequency above 10 *14 Hz (Right around light blue I believe), if you're under either of those you're stuck with the K03. Obviously this is only if you're east of the international date line though, those west have K05's standard.

Haha... Well played..

[Solarsuplex]

Shane and A4A4A4 got it before me.

Go with whoever is closest to you.
And to find out what turbo you have, just follow their instructions and do the calculations. Any questions can be answered at the top right of this page.

[m4ttt0]

thanks guys!!! ok next question.... MPG i drive ALOT so this does matter to me, out of the 3 tunes which produces the highest mpg to the lowest?

[papadelogan]

The one you keep your foot out of the most. Honestly I think they're all so close at the Stage I that it's more up to you, not the tuning. That, and how good your plugs are, how clean is your air filter, etc. etc.

[Ed Gein]

My local VW/Audi shop has either GIAC or REVO and they recommended REVO so thats what I'll be getting real soon, can't wait.

[Ed Gein]

I love my giac tune. I got it because of the only local tune being my Audi dealer with giac. The only downside is the lack of mil delete for the test pipe. I went with the 034 high flow cat, which works great, minus the unburnt gas smell of the test pipe:-)

Did you get a CEL with the test pipe? I want to run a test pipe on mine since they are cheaper than high flow cats and theres no emmisions testing in my state. Does anyone know if there is a "test pipe file" on the REVO stage 1s? And if so will they reflash it free after I get one? (not trying to thread hijack)

[wootwoot]

m4ttt0 you might want to check your blinker fluid before getting flashed. Guys with low or old blinker fluid have been running into problems. You'd have to search but I know there is more info on this forum.

[srcrash715]

Is this thread really happening?

[Hugh@EuropaParts]

m4ttt0 you might want to check your blinker fluid before getting flashed. Guys with low or old blinker fluid have been running into problems. You'd have to search but I know there is more info on this forum.
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS_TsO6gNg3QXQ4v0gSaiC2sejBzm_0x p26O4VAGTaED0-g4jJ3PlbkBSlPcw
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSREu7WIPSmQ1fbpob1C3pjac5SJWlCN yYURsNtadlA2MoIGU_xaOHHwYqaxw

[Operator]

Did you get a CEL with the test pipe? I want to run a test pipe on mine since they are cheaper than high flow cats and theres no emmisions testing in my state. Does anyone know if there is a "test pipe file" on the REVO stage 1s? And if so will they reflash it free after I get one? (not trying to thread hijack)

A "quick search" of their site says yes: http://www.revotechnik.com/index.php?mod=audi#stage2


Stage 2 allows you to run a de-cat or sports cat without having a CEL (Check Engine Light) come on. It also gives you more flexibility with settings over stage 1 to make the most of the additional potential from the up-rated hardware. For details of required hardware specification please the specific product page for your vehicle or consult your local Revo dealer.

[CorneliusRox]

Hugh, no link?! what kind of advertiser are you! ha ha

[eMacPaul]

Close but not quite Shane. I believe in order to have the KO4 you need to be over 1000 kg/m*3 and have an electromagnetic frequency above 10 *14 Hz (Right around light blue I believe), if you're under either of those you're stuck with the K03. Obviously this is only if you're east of the international date line though, those west have K05's standard.

So drive into a lake and see if you float?

[DRAKLORE]

Its officially trollvember now.. I love this thread haha

[Hugh@EuropaParts]

Hugh, no link?! what kind of advertiser are you! ha ha
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSREu7WIPSmQ1fbpob1C3pjac5SJWlCN yYURsNtadlA2MoIGU_xaOHHwYqaxw
(http://www.europaparts.com/)
FIXED!

[jimrobbington]

Since this is the 100% opinion thread,

Apr is the most generic, well known, off the shelf tune. It's basic, but most common.

Giac is dumb. First chip I ever put on my Jetta and blew my turbo within 5k miles. Also a very shady shop installed it at the time.

Revo it's the clear winner in this case. Peak torque on my stage 2 file of 385 at the crank. Beat that, APR!

JR

[Operator]

Revo it's the clear winner in this case.


Since this is the 100% opinion thread,


[;)]

[jimrobbington]

[;)]

Lol, it may be 100% opinion, but somebody show me better stage 2 numbers on stock ICs!

JR

[surfpunk]

Did you get a CEL with the test pipe? I want to run a test pipe on mine since they are cheaper than high flow cats and theres no emmisions testing in my state. Does anyone know if there is a "test pipe file" on the REVO stage 1s? And if so will they reflash it free after I get one? (not trying to thread hijack)
I never ran a test pipe because of the lack of MIL eliminator for the GIAC tune. The high flow cat has been great though.

[srcrash715]

Revo FTMFW!I would be a little more enthusiastic if the car didnt take a turn for the worse, but still revo ftw... for those who like it aggressive [:D]

[Avantageous]

I would have went with Revo if my ride was a MT and if my SPS 3 would have worked with
the 2.0T software, but the ride is an TIP, so I went with APR and I am very happy.

[Meteoro]

I am going to try APR, Do someone know if will be a sale soon?

[Excelerate]

We chose APR as our sole software company for the following reasons:

1. Reputation
2. Customer Service
3. Ease of installation
4. Driveability
5. Range of platforms

etc etc

And I believe that many retail customer choose them for the same reason. The quality of their software is second to none. The driveability and tip in is seamless and the customer service is great. They put a lot of time into manufacturing hardware and developing software and they do a great job.

[DRAKLORE]

A little insight-
After trying to get revo to share their BT file I found a lot of shops had swapped to Apr from revo. And I'm not trying to cause any issues so feel free to take this with a grain of salt...

Apr software is easier to access and profit from if you are a distributor.
Revo on the other hand requires you (as a distributor) to purchase the software, sell it to the customer and revo will pay you back upon confirmation of the sale. So in turn you have money sitting invested into someones tune tha you may or may not get back. Apparently (personal experience as well) revo support stateside is just two guys in an office (Paul) and it's hard for them to provide tech support and distribute flashes for each ecu part # on a daily basis.
^I may have some of the fine details qrong^
but I'm Bassically saying is Apr isn't necessarily a better tune, just a better company. (stateside at least) with better support

[schnell]

I am going to try APR, Do someone know if will be a sale soon?

They have a sale every quater, so you just missed it!

[yungcotter]

They have a sale every quater, so you just missed it!

There's one during Christmas last year it was 2nd week in December to 2nd week in January I think

[b7kevin]

Revo 2010 Holiday sale was $400 stage 1. plus free SPS.

You would be stupid not to pull the trigger on that. Thats $150 off from APR's full loaded ecu sale. The SPS provides the same functionality as APR.

[wootwoot]

Revo 2010 Holiday sale was $400 stage 1. plus free SPS.

You would be stupid not to pull the trigger on that. Thats $150 off from APR's full loaded ecu sale. The SPS provides the same functionality as APR.

For that price it is tempting for me to switch from APR to Revo...

[srcrash715]

For that price it is tempting for me to switch from APR to Revo...

Turn to the dark side and feel the power

[m4ttt0]

Thank you to those who actually left useful information.

For those of you who didnt i was using this as a conversation. i have read no where about MPG everyone only talks about power. No offense mod but i saw those posts but the guy who did all 3 tunes only drove each tune for about 100 miles... to be honest that isnt much driving.

[Ed Gein]

Revo FTMFW!I would be a little more enthusiastic if the car didnt take a turn for the worse, but still revo ftw... for those who like it aggressive [:D]

Why did the car take a turn for the worst?

[fammd]

Just had a GiAc stage 1 tune last week. I've driven the car for about 300 miles now and I can certainly say that the car came to life. Now I can feel and hear the turbo spooling. I love the torque I get even at low rpms. I don't drive aggressively, but the tune makes everyday driving fun. I cannot compare it to Apr or revo since I have never tried them, but giac as is for stage 1 in my opinion is pretty solid. I have not dynoed my car yet, so I can't say how much I have gained.

[papadelogan]

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSREu7WIPSmQ1fbpob1C3pjac5SJWlCN yYURsNtadlA2MoIGU_xaOHHwYqaxw
(http://www.europaparts.com/)
FIXED!

WINNING!

[papadelogan]

Revo 2010 Holiday sale was $400 stage 1. plus free SPS.

You would be stupid not to pull the trigger on that. Thats $150 off from APR's full loaded ecu sale. The SPS provides the same functionality as APR.

Wish I'd have see that.... might have saved myself $200! The APR "fully loaded" sale was $599 plus tax. Ah well, I just sold my Excursion so maybe the diesel swap is closer than I'd thought (still spring/summer at earliest though). Tuning for that will be $$$

[srcrash715]

Why did the car take a turn for the worst?

The camshaft is toast, so I have to get a new camshaft put in

[srcrash715]

Thank you to those who actually left useful information.

For those of you who didnt i was using this as a conversation. i have read no where about MPG everyone only talks about power. No offense mod but i saw those posts but the guy who did all 3 tunes only drove each tune for about 100 miles... to be honest that isnt much driving.

Ok,

Your car is now making more power, and using more fuel. If you drive it like a grandma you will get around the same, if you drive it like you stole then you will get less pretty simple. I have revo and when I drive conservatively I get the same mileage when I drive it like I stole it then the mpg goes down. Pretty sure it will be the same with all of em. Am I 100% on what the mpg is no, but I am pretty sure most people will agree with me on its how you drive it.

[RAudiB7A4]

MPG only goes up on highway driving. It's impossible to get better milage in town with a K03. It spools to quickly. Almost impossible to stay out of boost, which is exactly what's needed to get better mpg's. You can do it, but you'll be getting passed by lawn mowers and granny's. You won't be able to keep up with regular traffic out of boost in town.

I have gotten 35-36 mpg's on the highway with chip, intake, test pipe, and down pipe. No change in town mpg's.

[wootwoot]

MPG only goes up on highway driving. It's impossible to get better milage in town with a K03. It spools to quickly. Almost impossible to stay out of boost, which is exactly what's needed to get better mpg's. You can do it, but you'll be getting passed by lawn mowers and granny's. You won't be able to keep up with regular traffic out of boost in town.


^ truth

[m4ttt0]

MPG only goes up on highway driving. It's impossible to get better milage in town with a K03. It spools to quickly. Almost impossible to stay out of boost, which is exactly what's needed to get better mpg's. You can do it, but you'll be getting passed by lawn mowers and granny's. You won't be able to keep up with regular traffic out of boost in town.

I have gotten 35-36 mpg's on the highway with chip, intake, test pipe, and down pipe. No change in town mpg's.


Thank you!!! thats what i was looking for. The whole euro thing of having chips just put into cars is new to me. i was an EVO 9 owner and tuning was completely different.

[m4ttt0]

The camshaft is toast, so I have to get a new camshaft put in

tune fault or....????

[Solarsuplex]

This makes me wanna see where the closest revo dealer is.

[srcrash715]

tune fault or....????

Audi design fault

[RAudiB7A4]

Thank you!!! thats what i was looking for. The whole euro thing of having chips just put into cars is new to me. i was an EVO 9 owner and tuning was completely different.

Your welcome. Glad to help.

[m4ttt0]

Audi design fault

Alright!!! i now got what i wanted. now just gotta wait for the sale LOL [:D]

[Ed Gein]

The camshaft is toast, so I have to get a new camshaft put in

Burn up the follower?

[DRAKLORE]

And to actually answer the OPs question (as opposed to continue trollin)

I have neither because APR is extremely overpriced and personally you are paying for a name and that larger company overhead, and giac, I've heard good and bad about them but mostly they are too small lol
Kinda that ones too big, ones too small!
And vast performance is Just right!!! Great support, they have great products to offer along with tuning, and most of all for me, offer remote tuning alongside their facilities and shops that distribute their flashes.
Combine all that with Big Turbo support, which Apr, giac, and revo do not offer (on our platform) you have a winning solution!!
Oscar Mike

[Mark.]

MPG only goes up on highway driving. It's impossible to get better milage in town with a K03. It spools to quickly. Almost impossible to stay out of boost, which is exactly what's needed to get better mpg's. You can do it, but you'll be getting passed by lawn mowers and granny's. You won't be able to keep up with regular traffic out of boost in town.

I have gotten 35-36 mpg's on the highway with chip, intake, test pipe, and down pipe. No change in town mpg's.

fact

[srcrash715]

Burn up the follower?

The follower on the car was the original and had 96k miles on it, the cam looked fine but when I swapped it but I just checked the new follower after 500 miles and its extremely worn zero black surface left.

[SEXICÄN]

how about a VID showing 1 vs the other!

[B72.0T]

Here's a APR pull done tonight by me merging on the highway (2nd gear, 35 MPH-110) [evilsmile]

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k257/Elmedin1320/th_IMG_0166.jpg (http://s90.photobucket.com/albums/k257/Elmedin1320/?action=view&current=IMG_0166.mp4)

[Solarsuplex]

ohhh racekor

[NIKS07B7]

Did you get a CEL with the test pipe? I want to run a test pipe on mine since they are cheaper than high flow cats and theres no emmisions testing in my state. Does anyone know if there is a "test pipe file" on the REVO stage 1s? And if so will they reflash it free after I get one? (not trying to thread hijack)

I have a test pipe with no tune (right now waiting for APR sale) and no engine light. The shop that did the tp put some "spacer" (what they called it) and it worked no lights on the dash and car runs fine.

[m4ttt0]

I have a test pipe with no tune (right now waiting for APR sale) and no engine light. The shop that did the tp put some "spacer" (what they called it) and it worked no lights on the dash and car runs fine.

weird i have that spacer as well and my light pop up.... i wonder why