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polishdupa
10-19-2011, 08:13 PM
Ok long story short I acquired a 2001 s4 engine that had a timing belt failure. Paid nothing for it. I decided on a 3.0 build. Since this was a spare block, time isn`t a factor in this build. So far I stripped the block and brought it to the machine shop for boring. Just got it back today and this is the break down.
Vast 82.5 mm pistons
Vast connecting rods
Apr wrist pins
3.0 Liter A4 crank shaft

Cylinder boring -$144 ($24 each)
Resurfacing Block - $144
Crank Polishing - $60
Clean Block (include brush cleaning galleys and R&R Frost plugs) - $150
Rod bearing set - $78.80
Main bearing set - $105.98
Head gasket set - $139.91
Thrust bearing - $20.16
Front crank seal - $14.85
Rear seal - $42.70
Rear cover gasket- $12.78
Main cap bolts - $150.56
Main cap screws - $10.76
Time to start putting things together now after I insulate the garage... (winters coming)

polishdupa
10-19-2011, 08:45 PM
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-KZPWzo8quCU/ToOv2Uk6oVI/AAAAAAAAACA/i5-MQo9exaU/s640/IMG00082-20110705-0749.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-FP1Qn_M7Gzk/ToOwc6VkzuI/AAAAAAAAACY/CcvGlSHFkBQ/s640/vast%252520pistons.JPG

dumpedb5
10-19-2011, 10:05 PM
Those rods and pistons are beautiful!

UkuRiSh
10-20-2011, 12:13 AM
Nice start , good luck . What turbos are you gonna use ?

jibberjive
10-20-2011, 02:18 AM
It looks like you got pretty good prices on all of the stuff. I look forward to the build, good luck!

GarbatyA4
10-20-2011, 07:04 AM
To jest wielki projekt kolego.

Powodzenia

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AudiSportB5S4
10-20-2011, 07:42 AM
Haha at your user name... My Polish Grandma always used to threaten to "kick my dupa" if I didn't finish the meal...

Nice pistons and rods ;)

julex
10-20-2011, 08:02 AM
super projekt. Ja tez bede pracowal nad moim silnikiem tylko ze ja wybralem 2.9L konfiguracje bo chce go krecic do ponad 8.5k. To bedzie trudne z ciezkimi tlokami jak u Ciebie. Czy to sa krutkie korbowody z modifikowanymi tlokami? Jakie turba bedziesz uzywal?

DiscoPotato
10-20-2011, 09:14 AM
Hopefully ill be doing the same soon. I just acquired a spare engine.

polishdupa
10-20-2011, 11:52 AM
For turbos I'm thinking gt28 or tial 770
But not decided yet just know that if I go smaller I'd be losing out on the extra displacement

DiscoPotato
11-05-2011, 04:44 PM
Do twin comps

polishdupa
11-08-2011, 10:07 AM
Do twin comps

What do you mean?

SleeperAvant
11-08-2011, 10:08 AM
I think he means two billet turbos by CompTurbo.

UkuRiSh
11-08-2011, 04:30 PM
I would go with new gtx28 [up]

WMi_S4
11-16-2011, 06:53 PM
Hope you don't burn any oil with the VAST pistons/rods. Where did you get all those other parts for so cheap?

polishdupa
11-16-2011, 07:04 PM
Yeah I was wondering why vast was saying it would burn oil, but my machinist said it shouldn't.
As for the pricing thats straight from the machine shop.

polishdupa
02-16-2012, 03:48 PM
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-2LaEwTpRtRQ/Tz2HPDz-p-I/AAAAAAAAADc/avntSWRPols/s512/turbo%252088mm.JPG

something to consider

DiscoPotato
02-16-2012, 04:28 PM
I think he means two billet turbos by CompTurbo.

This.

polishdupa
02-16-2012, 04:35 PM
twins?

polishdupa
02-16-2012, 04:42 PM
Right now the engine is being assembled at Fast Engines in town. Jesse started this week and should be done soon.

2buck
02-16-2012, 04:58 PM
this is going in a b6 a4 not a b5 s4? just wondering.

polishdupa
02-16-2012, 05:57 PM
yeah b6 A4

2buck
02-16-2012, 06:29 PM
thats pretty cool [up].

ready to see it finished

polishdupa
02-17-2012, 12:33 AM
Just up in the air about which heads to use I have a set of damaged 2.7 heads and a working set of 3.0 heads. Just haven't found anyone that figured out the timing issues

polishdupa
03-13-2012, 05:54 PM
http://www.squirrelpf.com/turbocalc/index.php?version=4&target_peak_power=750&pr_ref=24&engine_disp=3.0&engine_disp_factor=0&target_af=11&bfsc=0.47&max_ic_loss=1.7&rpm_redline=7100&rpm_peak_power=6000&rpm_max_boost=4500&rpm_min_boost=3500&vol_1=89&vol_2=93&vol_3=90&vol_4=87&vol_1=89&vol_2=93&vol_3=90&vol_4=87&intake_temp_1=90&intake_temp_2=120&intake_temp_3=135&intake_temp_4=140&turbo_n=2&map_sel0=30&map_sel1=31&map_sel2=32&map_sel3=33&map_sel4=36

Just wondering if anyone has some insight on this page

polishdupa
05-02-2012, 10:39 PM
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-r-nIJBJGOKM/T6IGiaMtU3I/AAAAAAAAAEA/l5BVu-6gG5I/s640/may%25202%2520pic%25201.JPG

Took the car off insurance today. Spent about a half hour on taking the bumper and lights off. Didn't go further today due to having to drain fluids. Looking forward to the next steps maybe this weekend. Keep you updated.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-wjKaO1qNwfU/T6IGo58_V8I/AAAAAAAAAEI/kS5kIYx09Ic/s640/may%25202%2520pic%25202.JPG

Blake2423
05-02-2012, 10:49 PM
I vote gtx28s

Audone
05-03-2012, 08:39 AM
034 Single! If its ready by the end of the summer timing should be right in line for you.

034Motorsport
05-03-2012, 12:43 PM
Nice to see this project is still going on and starting to move forward!

I was a little confused on what you were asking in regards to turbos. Are you asking what turbo you should ideally go for?

Custom manifolds or stock manifolds?

Stock, 770 and call it done. You'll be able to hit over 700whp with proper gas with incredible spool.

Custom, 2868 or similar (basically a 770 with a slightly larger exhaust housing) or something like a GTX2863 (but I wouldn't recommend that unless you plan on running 30+ psi).


034 Single! If its ready by the end of the summer timing should be right in line for you.

Components should be available closer to the beginning of summer, rather then the end. =)

polishdupa
05-03-2012, 04:12 PM
I'm going with custom manifold either make my own or buy... the stock isn't really going to work with the 3.0 heads.

034Motorsport
05-03-2012, 04:17 PM
I'm going with custom manifold either make my own or buy... the stock isn't really going to work with the 3.0 heads.

Ah, I didn't see the part where you decided which heads you were going to do. You are using a 2.7T block right?

What power levels and characteristics do you want? With custom, sky is the limit, but the 30v motors tend to like smaller exhaust housings.

S4 00 2.7
05-03-2012, 05:47 PM
Go for Tial 880R. They are being tested now and hopefully out soon.

OR, just go 770's and be done with it.

polishdupa
05-03-2012, 07:06 PM
Yeah I got the 2.7 block with a 3.0 crank. I'm looking for something to be well rounded on the track (circuit not just 1/4 mile). I was thinking 500 awhp but with my internals I would LOVE 700+ hp.

polishdupa
05-05-2012, 07:05 PM
Today I took off the front rad and support. As I go I'm noticing the broken clips that need to be replace, like the steer cooling coil support. Makes me wonder if anyones ever been in there.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-LTAsxeAHQ1U/T6XKbGQwS7I/AAAAAAAAAEY/4U2QIvbXSs8/s640/may%25205%2520pic%25201.JPG

Tomorrow I'll open up the heads and compare the 2.7 and 3.0 heads side by side, and see what can be done about the vvt.

DevilS4
05-05-2012, 07:15 PM
This looks like it's going to be good. 2.7t swaps are becoming more common now. Sounds like you are going in the same direction I am with my B7 build. I'll watch for the results to help me with my turbo choice.

polishdupa
05-10-2012, 09:28 PM
Just noticed the timing belt difference between the 3.0 and 2.7.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-a8KF1iZ756w/T6yG53UdwCI/AAAAAAAAAE0/QrtLvUr1f4g/s512/audi%2520b6%2520a4%2520timing.jpg
3.0

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-hd5Rk0GqsTw/T6yG5rvYM5I/AAAAAAAAAEs/jLoSYekBpK8/s310/audi%2520b5%2520s4%2520timing.jpg
2.7

DevilS4
05-10-2012, 10:19 PM
Yeah they have the 4 cam gears on the front of the 3.0. I think from looking at them that the block mounted components are all the same so you might be able to use a 3.0 belt setup.

polishdupa
05-11-2012, 06:50 AM
Yeah that's what I was think haven't checked the lengths of the belts but it looks like the 3.0 would be a little longer

DevilS4
05-13-2012, 04:03 PM
Pulled a 3.0 and a 2.7t belt and the 3.0 is longer. You'd want to use the 3.0 belt setup with them if thats the route you go. How are the port sizes between the 3.0 and 2.7?

AudiA4_20T
05-13-2012, 04:14 PM
Pulled a 3.0 and a 2.7t belt and the 3.0 is longer. You'd want to use the 3.0 belt setup with them if thats the route you go. How are the port sizes between the 3.0 and 2.7?

3.0 ports are beast

AudiA4_20T
05-13-2012, 04:16 PM
I'm going with custom manifold either make my own or buy... the stock isn't really going to work with the 3.0 heads.

Both the intake and exhaust manifolds from the 2.7/2.8 bolt up to the 3.0 heads

DevilS4
05-13-2012, 04:34 PM
3.0 ports are beast

Bigger than the 2.8 heads?

polishdupa
05-27-2012, 10:49 PM
Today I finished pulling out the wiring, unbolted the top of the transmission and called it a weekend.

polishdupa
05-28-2012, 10:40 AM
I'm still not pushed to working fast since I'm still waiting on main bearing cap bolts and nothing is ready to be put in yet.

DevilS4
06-02-2012, 08:05 AM
Decide on which heads you are using yet? I'd like to see someone use the 3.0 alloy block to see what kind of boost it can hold ;)

It's a good bit lighter and if it all bolts up, put forged 3.0 pistons and IE rods in it and see what it will take.

polishdupa
06-03-2012, 10:44 PM
Decide on which heads you are using yet? I'd like to see someone use the 3.0 alloy block to see what kind of boost it can hold ;)

It's a good bit lighter and if it all bolts up, put forged 3.0 pistons and IE rods in it and see what it will take.

I haven't removed the heads yet, mostly due to the fact that I think I might have stripped some head bolts trying to remove the heads while the engine was still in the car. The tomorrow I'll fix that.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-HFDTS5uuwFE/T8w4GT3TXnI/AAAAAAAAAGk/tstU0-J5o4c/s640/motor%2520mounts%25202.JPG

Here's the motor mounts comparing the B5 S4 mounts to the B6 A4 mounts they both use the middle holes.

polishdupa
06-15-2012, 08:58 PM
Today I removed the intake manifold and compared it to the B5 S4 intake manifold the bolt pattern matches up exact...but would need to be ported to match ports.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-jcG9o0my4Xs/T9v0XjigfII/AAAAAAAAAHY/OzhkfdWZhw0/s640/intake%2520mani%2520match%25201.JPG

Then I decided to put the B5 intake manifold on the B6 engine to see how it lines up.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-kc-ptV_u_3Q/T9v0SL2Rs0I/AAAAAAAAAHE/2Wojln5wPOI/s640/B6%2520with%2520B5%2520intake%2520mani.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-97CAn9cq0Ak/T9v0VveZiqI/AAAAAAAAAHQ/qnJUXeXQ7-Y/s640/B6%2520with%2520B5%2520intake%2520mani%25202.JPG

Now I'm trying to remove the heads but like I thought I stripped some head bolts. FLM.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-vb3k75PpzDU/T9v0Fy3civI/AAAAAAAAAG0/D5TEOaWWEwo/s640/B6%2520engine%25201.JPG

DevilS4
06-16-2012, 04:56 AM
Are you using the poly drive headbolt tool? Its not a normal torx and the points are squared for more grip. A normal torx will strip but the oem socket should be very hard to slip at all.

polishdupa
06-16-2012, 01:23 PM
Yeah I was trying to remove them earlier when the engine was still in the car and the socket wasn't seating fully in when I was loosening the last two bolts. I got the right socket just my eagerness got the best of me.

polishdupa
06-16-2012, 07:15 PM
As a note hit the socket with a hammer to make sure it's all the way in the bolt before you try to loosen it

polishdupa
06-20-2012, 08:59 PM
Good news I used a HSS drill bit on slow and I got the bolts drilled out.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-wy5xlmwps1s/T-KFu6uUnSI/AAAAAAAAAHo/K6E9gzl2rGI/s640/B6%2520block.JPG

Comparing the heads side to side shows how differnet they really are.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-hmKoZQsLPYU/T-KF1VkJM3I/AAAAAAAAAH4/Jr2tzYxIEqw/s640/head%2520comparison%25201.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-XTJgsaJmkn4/T-KGGdWUy9I/AAAAAAAAAIc/eGEw5Oo6ozY/s640/head%2520comparison%25202.JPG

The B5 heads are on the left and B6 on the right. For starters the Cam position sensor are different and the B6 heads have two seperate sensors per head. Size wise they both fit, gaskets match up and everything.

The exhaust manifold is small and I'll have to go with bigger exhaust to help air flow.
This is the B5 exhaust with the B6 manifold gasket.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-j3gBhiEUssw/T-KFy2PdFGI/AAAAAAAAAHw/laXy99aPqwA/s512/B6%2520gasket%2520on%2520b5%2520exhaust.JPG

polishdupa
06-21-2012, 01:15 PM
Also realized that a B5 exhaust manifold isn't going to work wih the B6 heads as it is about a 1/8" larger in diameter.

AudiA4_20T
06-21-2012, 01:17 PM
Also realized that a B5 exhaust manifold isn't going to work wih the B6 heads as it is about a 1/8" larger in diameter.

no shit which one? The B6 head is actually bigger? No way to mod it to fit?

Maybe just use 2.8 heads and call it a day then...

polishdupa
06-21-2012, 01:35 PM
no shit which one? The B6 head is actually bigger? No way to mod it to fit?

Maybe just use 2.8 heads and call it a day then...

Go BIG or go home and I ain't going home. Just going to get custom headers.

polishdupa
06-21-2012, 01:36 PM
Not so much realized I knew it just screwed up my explanation

What I meant to say is that I can't just buy a high flow s4 manifold, I have to get a B6 exhaust flange and make some custom piping.

polishdupa
06-27-2012, 12:47 PM
I've been cleaning out the engine bay getting some color back in there other then just oil brown. I dropped the heads off to get cleaned and measured up to fit on the block.

Mantis
06-27-2012, 02:12 PM
Looks great, I hope to see you in Red Deer in August, I would love to pick your brain on this project

polishdupa
06-27-2012, 05:11 PM
Judging by how slow my engine build is going it might not be ready by August but I'll come down to Red Deer anyways.

polishdupa
07-13-2012, 09:12 AM
http://www.atpturbo.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=tp&Product_Code=ATP-VVW-224&Category_Code=VVWTK
I think I've decided on turbos.

zadeluca
07-13-2012, 09:30 AM
dont mind me, i may not know what im talking about... but if you are going for custom manifolds anyway, why go with the elim turbos?

Monty23
07-13-2012, 10:35 AM
dont mind me, i may not know what im talking about... but if you are going for custom manifolds anyway, why go with the elim turbos?

X2

polishdupa
07-13-2012, 12:32 PM
dont mind me, i may not know what im talking about... but if you are going for custom manifolds anyway, why go with the elim turbos?

What do you mean

zadeluca
07-13-2012, 01:15 PM
it was my understanding that the elim turbos were not capable of as much power because of the smaller KKK exhaust housing. at least this is/was the case with the 1.8 BT builds

polishdupa
07-13-2012, 07:18 PM
I could find anything about eliminator turbos being different. Anyone have some insight on this I thought its like a brand of turbos like franken turbos.

zadeluca
07-13-2012, 07:45 PM
im gonna stop after this until others chime in because i may just be incorrectly applying 1.8T info to the S4, but this was my thought process for saying what i said. on the 1.8 the elim setups from ATP are designed to maintain the stock manifold and downpipe configuration so you can upgrade to larger turbos at a cheaper cost. but as far as i know the BT 1.8 folks dont use them because the stock manifold and KKK flange are too restrictive.

now obviously S4 people have made big numbers with the stock manifolds, but if you look at the 2.7T Garret kits offered by ASP and ARD for example, they both include custom manifolds that utilize the standard flange on on the hot side of the GT28 series turbos. like this: http://www.ardesign.org/media/Manifolds1.jpg

so i was thinking, since you had stated you would be going custom with your manifolds, why not design them to use something like that in the ARD design above?

or even better yet, what about v-band housings like this?

https://www.himni-racing.com/images/tial_stainless_housing_3.jpg

jibberjive
07-13-2012, 09:48 PM
http://www.atpturbo.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=tp&Product_Code=ATP-VVW-224&Category_Code=VVWTK
I think I've decided on turbos.

Don't do it!

DevilS4
07-14-2012, 08:54 AM
From what I've heard there are issues with the ATP turbos. I'd go with tial 770's if you want the power those atp's are quoted to make.

AudiA4_20T
07-14-2012, 11:00 AM
Just do full GTX28s

DevilS4
07-18-2012, 05:45 PM
If you are having mani's made I'd go with a standard t3/4 flange turbos incase you decide to swap later.

polishdupa
09-01-2012, 09:23 PM
I got my bottom end assembled and back from the builder after he charged my almost $500 for main bearing bolts. First he said he would get me ARP mains for $200, then ordered raceware without telling me, which is BS cause i could have gotten them for $345 from 034.

polishdupa
09-01-2012, 09:24 PM
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_FL7aVE9UnQ/UELLIwR5YgI/AAAAAAAAAJY/ww-80qSGjJo/s657/sept+1+%2C2012+block.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ujPphDRebHI/UELLOWAWJwI/AAAAAAAAAJg/WDtI7CsxoG4/s657/sept+1%2C2012+heads.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-J2e_i7HsEvo/UELLPdk3toI/AAAAAAAAAJo/ki_F4t8LQ_Y/s657/sept+1%2C2012+block.jpg

bigern45
09-01-2012, 10:11 PM
good to see its moving along.. what was the final turbo choice?? still on the fence??

TylerC
09-01-2012, 10:13 PM
Today I removed the intake manifold and compared it to the B5 S4 intake manifold the bolt pattern matches up exact...but would need to be ported to match ports.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-jcG9o0my4Xs/T9v0XjigfII/AAAAAAAAAHY/OzhkfdWZhw0/s640/intake%2520mani%2520match%25201.JPG


Are the newer manifolds variable runner manifolds? At the very least they look like they have much longer and perhaps larger ports then the stock s4 one (probably help out low end torque) Anyone ever tried running one?

polishdupa
09-01-2012, 10:24 PM
good to see its moving along.. what was the final turbo choice?? still on the fence??

yeah still on the fence I do like the gtx28 map though.

somedude
09-02-2012, 09:27 AM
If the 2.7/2.8 intakes are the same as the 3.0 intake manifold does that mean it would share the same pattern with the newer 3.0T supercharger? oh the belts are further back on the newer engine i don't think it would line up with the supercharger

DevilS4
09-03-2012, 09:06 AM
I got my bottom end assembled and back from the builder after he charged my almost $500 for main bearing bolts. First he said he would get me ARP mains for $200, then ordered raceware without telling me, which is BS cause i could have gotten them for $345 from 034.

Did you have custom main caps made or modify 3.0 or 2.7t caps?

polishdupa
09-03-2012, 11:00 AM
Did you have custom main caps made or modify 3.0 or 2.7t caps?

I just used the 2.7 main caps after all clearances were checked

Limey
09-03-2012, 11:16 AM
Good to see another local build, can't wait to see it around the city :)

polishdupa
09-03-2012, 11:21 AM
it's going to blend really well the only way people will think it's different is cause I'm putting a T turbo badge behind the 3.0

034Motorsport
09-03-2012, 11:58 AM
If you are having mani's made I'd go with a standard t3/4 flange turbos incase you decide to swap later.

I suggest not going this route. It is VERY difficult to get a consistent placement of the T3 flange on the manifold in the tight confines of the S4. You need a v-band flange to allow for infinite clocking of the turbine housing. With a v-band, you'll have a far greater chance of getting everything to fit. I've seen people reweld their 4-bolt flanges a good 3 or 4 times before it was perfect. All cars are different, and when you introduce custom turbos and manifolds, you lose the consistency of OEM based eliminator turbos.

Why not just go Tial 770's? If you decide to go v-band manifolds, HTA2868 have been shown to make awesome power on the 2.7T. Anything beyond that, I caution trying to be new. These 5v motors like a very particular wheel and housing combo to remain efficient. GTX turbos do tend to flow more and spool quicker, but that doesn't mean they make any more low end torque and the torque spike is generally much rougher and more abrupt.

Is it really worth spending thousands of dollars extra for just a bit more flow and some loss of low end power for top end gains? Totally depends on the purpose of the build. I used to be a believer in low end torque and response; having now owned both sides of the picture, I'll now take the bigger/laggier turbo any day! But to each his own.

If you are going for +700whp, then I would understand a custom turbo setup, but if the goals are for in the 600's, 770's have been shown to consistently do well in this area. Great response from the high velocity of the stock manifolds. Area for improvement? Of course! But the cost to power increase ratio drops a lot.


If the 2.7/2.8 intakes are the same as the 3.0 intake manifold does that mean it would share the same pattern with the newer 3.0T supercharger? oh the belts are further back on the newer engine i don't think it would line up with the supercharger

No, different casting.

AudiA4_20T
09-03-2012, 12:57 PM
If the 2.7/2.8 intakes are the same as the 3.0 intake manifold does that mean it would share the same pattern with the newer 3.0T supercharger? oh the belts are further back on the newer engine i don't think it would line up with the supercharger

It's FSI but I do believe they are close

EDIT: Max is right, the 3.2 and 3.0T do use separate runners though, I think you could make some billet adapters in place of the runners

polishdupa
09-16-2012, 09:11 PM
I just order some new head bolts today. Went with the eurospec turbo head bolts. I mounted the engine back onto the engine stand and waiting to mount the heads on the block. Trying to figure out how to line up.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-cy_6AoNabyI/UFaU0gJz61I/AAAAAAAAAKA/uYKWELm2zwA/s926/ebahn+cylinder+heads.jpg

polishdupa
09-29-2012, 08:28 PM
So turns out the heads are a perfect fit

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-9uRJ2TgD7Xo/UGeq_lFhLdI/AAAAAAAAAKQ/Ti6hg8sgJUM/w409-h545-p-k/2012-09-29

I already noticed I'm going to have to trim down the front crank seal to run the 3.0 timing belt.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-IslNZappMA4/UGet9jjYL8I/AAAAAAAAAK4/4AEjL1nLbP8/s465/3l+heads+new+block.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-MRQnRuIJL4E/UGetMDAFLjI/AAAAAAAAAKc/g2JLOTUT9jc/s622/crankseal+triming.jpg

haggard69er
10-21-2012, 01:56 PM
Any updates? Love this build btw.

polishdupa
10-21-2012, 07:36 PM
Yeah I painted the block this week and ordered a timing kit from blauparts, when it comes in I'll start putting the front together again. Then I'm looking at getting a clutch from jhm motors

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Oo95F258FCs/UIIE4PyO1GI/AAAAAAAAALU/LRTMNQOoIiM/s657/painted+block+1.JPG

calundeen
10-21-2012, 08:13 PM
Go with the clutchmasters fx850!

polishdupa
10-23-2012, 09:19 PM
http://jhmotorsports.com/shop/catalog/jhm-lightweight-flywheel-and-clutch-combo-for-04-and-up-b6-b7-s4-p-469.html?cPath=21_56_61_105
I was looking into this one

hellrot98m3
10-24-2012, 05:41 PM
thats for a b6/7

polishdupa
10-24-2012, 09:34 PM
it is a b6

Wide-66
01-28-2013, 01:48 PM
Any updates on this I was thinking of doing something similar.....whats your plan on getting around the multiple cam sensors

polishdupa
01-28-2013, 03:21 PM
I installed the 3.0 heads on the S4 block. I had to grind off a little off the head to make the thermostat piping fix.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Ia3fhANGQsA/ULQuQ1VbmoI/AAAAAAAAAOQ/isVCFF3FNJU/s982/3+liter+heads+6.jpg

Then I trimmed the top part of the water pump so the belt wouldn't rub on it.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-bu5Wzy-ngjc/ULQtDmcGp1I/AAAAAAAAANw/O9kgKt1g5ZM/s657/3+liter+heads+1.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-NU_NlYUpsk4/ULQtSBGMtvI/AAAAAAAAAN4/NGeqry2w_Ts/s657/3+liter+heads+2.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-mljCgNMtoWI/ULQtAXsCMBI/AAAAAAAAANo/4P6Q4HG-kEk/s657/3+liter+heads+3.jpg

polishdupa
01-28-2013, 03:24 PM
I wanted to make this more simple not just for me but for other people that are thinking about going this route. I removed the idler pulley and install the eccentric pulley (from the b6 A4) and tried to put the b6 A4 timing belt on (instead of trying to order a custom belt). It worked...So now next time I have to do a timing belt I'll have to order a a b6 A4 kit, But use the B5 S4 timing belt tensioner and tensioner pulley.

haggard69er
01-28-2013, 03:28 PM
awesome!

Wide-66
01-28-2013, 03:34 PM
I get all the mechanical components but how will you go about controlling the 4 cam sensors with the 2.7 ecu or will you use a 3.0 engine harness and ecu.

polishdupa
01-28-2013, 04:46 PM
I'm using the b6 ecu and harness

Wide-66
01-28-2013, 05:04 PM
Nice ....no more nonsense questions carry on

polishdupa
02-02-2013, 07:33 PM
This is what it looks like...

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-afODGUeJoqA/UQ2FHc2STFI/AAAAAAAAAQI/CCR2BBzvYMg/w401-h301-n-k/20130202_133259.jpg

Wide-66
02-02-2013, 07:53 PM
I just got a complete 3.0 today guess what direction im headed in....

NYEuroTuner
02-02-2013, 09:24 PM
Great Build [up] And btw love the Title "Polish Dupa" lol

<-- Married to a Polish chick, so She always yells at the Dog for putting his "Dupa" on the couch lol

polishdupa
02-09-2013, 07:55 PM
Great Build [up] And btw love the Title "Polish Dupa" lol

<-- Married to a Polish chick, so She always yells at the Dog for putting his "Dupa" on the couch lol
Thanks buddy

Alright more up dates... Today I installed the B6 A4 timing belt on the S4 block with the 3.0 liter heads. Had to trim a little of the rear timing cover on the passenger side head. Then putting on the eccentric roller was a little tricky. I used a screw driver to pry it closer to the mounting hole and snapped off a piece of the front crank seal, but it's all one and torqued to specs. I haven't released the tensioner yet just in case I have to trim something else...

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Hu9MBkuVY8E/URcIRPZu_oI/AAAAAAAAARI/FBc-7CsbNfY/s619/20130209_193513.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Cy8oPbn2oRU/URcIHKvGFOI/AAAAAAAAARA/-2cpVhOiKmk/s619/20130209_193529.jpg
here is where I trimmed the rear timing cover

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-dR18dWsBQXA/URcIfCvFxzI/AAAAAAAAARQ/PYtOPskexoU/s619/20130209_193519.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-r42CcziRWXg/URcIr5N4GkI/AAAAAAAAARY/4DCP_W7qY5Q/s619/20130209_193505.jpg

zillarob
02-09-2013, 08:49 PM
I like the 3.0 eccentric idea!

Be careful with the other tension roller though, it can hit that boss right below it. I have seen 1 2.7 and 1 2.8 get hung up on there for god only knows what reason.
Both were pretty fresh tbelt jobs (couple weeks). Makes hellish racket and loose belt when stuck there, but appeared to be fine once you popped it off.
I replaced the hyd tensioner on the 2.7 just to be safe and dude that did the 2.8 wasnt as lucky.

polishdupa
02-09-2013, 09:11 PM
I like the 3.0 eccentric idea!

Be careful with the other tension roller though, it can hit that boss right below it. I have seen 1 2.7 and 1 2.8 get hung up on there for god only knows what reason.
Both were pretty fresh tbelt jobs (couple weeks). Makes hellish racket and loose belt when stuck there, but appeared to be fine once you popped it off.
I replaced the hyd tensioner on the 2.7 just to be safe and dude that did the 2.8 wasnt as lucky.

The tensioner is from the B5 S4 with the tension roller on the B5 S4 front crank flange. The belt was a little snug to put on in the first place with the tensioner pulled fully back.

zillarob
02-09-2013, 09:40 PM
This was on a stock 2.7 and 2.8. Just check how close the tensioner is to the alum boss below it.
The 2.7 had run up onto it and gotten wedged there leaving the tbelt loose. Owner had it towed, I fixed, no prob since.
The 2.8 driver thought he could drive it in even though he was told not to. The bolt on the tensioner broke halfway there, along with most of the valves.

I have a feeling you will be getting back in there with a dremel to clearance that boss.

zillarob
02-09-2013, 10:13 PM
This is the danger zone im talking about.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-i-SAQ1Qo8z4/URcqLMr9vZI/AAAAAAAABWA/ZU8dD0We6v4/s657/tensrol.jpg


With the angles it has and the direction it spins, if it makes contact it will try to ride up on the boss and can get wedged on there.
I would just clearance it a bit and try to leave a steeper edge for it to hit (if it does).

polishdupa
02-09-2013, 10:39 PM
This is the danger zone im talking about.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-i-SAQ1Qo8z4/URcqLMr9vZI/AAAAAAAABWA/ZU8dD0We6v4/s657/tensrol.jpg


With the angles it has and the direction it spins, if it makes contact it will try to ride up on the boss and can get wedged on there.
I would just clearance it a bit and try to leave a steeper edge for it to hit (if it does).

Thanks for the heads up I'll trim it later

polishdupa
02-19-2013, 09:16 PM
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-VZ6jRq8dv34/USLgMufvA-I/AAAAAAAAAR0/3k_Wolm8qYI/s619/20130218_181035.jpg
Alright so I trimmed it.
Now I'm concerned with the belt only being about 3/16" to 1/4" from the water pump piping
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Waa7sqfhdG0/USRNYEUa1ZI/AAAAAAAAASM/8n1V5uPmoC8/s464/20130219_211142.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-jHx4fVRHFeY/USRNjfhd9LI/AAAAAAAAASY/hD4W9iOagLs/s464/20130219_211105.jpg
Just wondering if i should trim off a little

Quattro$4
02-19-2013, 09:37 PM
Powodzenia ...

zillarob
02-19-2013, 11:19 PM
I wouldnt worry, the belts normally sit pretty close there anyway.
Have seen a few tstat housings that had a little wear from the belt there though.

polishdupa
02-20-2013, 07:21 AM
I think I'll trim it down a little just to have some peace of mind

S4ssy
02-20-2013, 08:32 AM
Nice build will definately follow this cant wait to see it done!

polishdupa
03-17-2013, 06:26 PM
http://www.034motorsport.com/turbochargers-and-accessories-turbo-kits-034motorsport-stk-27t-basic-single-turbo-kit-p-23494.html

I think I've decided on the single turbo set up. I'm in the processed of mounting the oil cooler which kind of a pain because the cooler cap off the s4 block is smaller then the hoses from the a4.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-XCbBMcJtoWE/UT_SK6agkaI/AAAAAAAAASw/G1o7u2NV5N8/s619/20130312_174842.jpg

polishdupa
03-31-2013, 10:13 PM
Some more updates... I mounted the power steering pump using the B5 mounting bracket and the alternator is on just not torqued yet.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-tvs8EckU458/UVkFZCudBaI/AAAAAAAAAUI/qvNAqXGibR0/s619/20130331_215420.jpg

britishturbo
06-18-2013, 07:38 PM
updates?

polishdupa
06-19-2013, 07:20 AM
I ordered a single turbo kit from 034 with a clutch kit. I ended up ordering the precision 6262 dropped it done a size because the 6266 didn't come in a 0.64 a/r.

britishturbo
06-19-2013, 09:33 AM
I ordered a single turbo kit from 034 with a clutch kit. I ended up ordering the precision 6262 dropped it done a size because the 6266 didn't come in a 0.64 a/r.

Awesome!
I'm really looking forward to your results...

P.S. I hope it wasn't a SPEC kit lol

Mantis
06-19-2013, 01:52 PM
P.S. I hope it wasn't a SPEC kit lol

I am confused, what's wrong with Spec kits now, I have a 3+ with Fidanza and love it. 9k km no issues

polishdupa
07-12-2013, 02:04 PM
Marco,
It sounds as though you have a pretty radical setup. We have tuned B6 3.0s before, but they have been basic NA tunes on stock hardware.
For this to have a chance, the 3.0 ecu would need to have the MAP sensor in the boost path and an IAT sensor directly in the intake manifold. Given that the vehicle was originally built for NA use, the components might not be present or in the right place. If you use these items from the 2.7T motor and wire them into the ECU, we may have a shot at getting it work.

I'm thinking about getting a B6 A4 intake piping and going from there

xhackerekx
07-12-2013, 09:06 PM
moj b6 3.0 nadal dziala ale silnik od b5s4 czeka na zalozenie ale twoj project jest zajebisty [:D]

ddillenger
07-12-2013, 10:31 PM
Marco,
It sounds as though you have a pretty radical setup. We have tuned B6 3.0s before, but they have been basic NA tunes on stock hardware.
For this to have a chance, the 3.0 ecu would need to have the MAP sensor in the boost path and an IAT sensor directly in the intake manifold. Given that the vehicle was originally built for NA use, the components might not be present or in the right place. If you use these items from the 2.7T motor and wire them into the ECU, we may have a shot at getting it work.

I'm thinking about getting a B6 A4 intake piping and going from there

You're running the 2.7 intake, sensors, and engine management on a 2.7t shortblock with 3.0 heads correct? That won't be any harder to tune than a STK 2.7t.

polishdupa
07-12-2013, 11:23 PM
I'm planning on running the B6 ecu and just the B5 short block. Using the B5 ecu is my back up plan.

ddillenger
07-12-2013, 11:44 PM
I'm planning on running the B6 ecu and just the B5 short block. Using the B5 ecu is my back up plan.

That's a terrible idea. The b6 ecu has no concept of boost, requested load can't exceed 100, etc, etc. There are MANY issues with using the b6 ecu, and no advantages whatsoever. Best bet, run the b5 ecu and engine harness, or if you want to keep it of the same generation, run a BEL a6/allroad ecu and harness.

polishdupa
07-13-2013, 10:16 AM
The whole idea of the build is to do something different. That's why I'm trying the 3.0 heads, if it doesn't work I'll use the 2.8 heads. Same thing with the ecu. And if shit really hits the fan go with a stand alone.

polishdupa
07-16-2013, 11:31 AM
I'm abandoning the 3 liter heads and going with the 2.8 and b5 ecu.

getslideways
07-16-2013, 12:18 PM
I'm abandoning the 3 liter heads and going with the 2.8 and b5 ecu.

what brought about the change?

laserb5
07-16-2013, 12:21 PM
aww man really??

ddillenger
07-16-2013, 12:38 PM
I'd keep the 3.0 heads, just use the 2.7 ecu.

polishdupa
07-16-2013, 01:11 PM
Tuning issues and reliability. I've put to much into the bottom end to be risking it.

polishdupa
08-02-2013, 09:18 PM
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-a9oKbFypzX8/UfxxpNE3EqI/AAAAAAAAAWk/9FkjMieTG_k/w704-h528-no/20130802_173118.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-efu1OzDJsZo/Ufxxx6syR3I/AAAAAAAAAWs/_DY2aHNV55g/w704-h528-no/20130802_173052.jpg

polishdupa
11-07-2013, 05:36 PM
I know it has been some time since i gave some up dates soo here we go...
I ordered B5 A4 2.8 powder coated exhaust manifold and had the turbo piping powder coated in town thanks to Impact Coating.

As a note install the egt sensor before mounting the piping
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-dLsN8ULlq7Q/UmRqAV27OVI/AAAAAAAAAZc/VTTCfAvUxU4/w396-h528-no/20131016_191752.jpg
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-WL_l6-e2hMw/UnwvtXtEjiI/AAAAAAAAAaY/zZJdltmoDLA/w704-h528-no/PB070125.JPG

Piping before powder coating
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-WocDEj_h0F0/UmRq7xuPeGI/AAAAAAAAAZk/AI6GQv1RQ2w/w704-h528-no/2013-10-20+17.43.18.png

and after
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-BqhkVKweBm0/Unwvw5I3PGI/AAAAAAAAAaU/XxBig-ZlmyE/w704-h528-no/PB070126.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-TQCfHuCpTVE/UnwvxzQdbrI/AAAAAAAAAac/51bkfYyxNAo/w704-h528-no/PB070127.JPG

Shhmaudi
11-07-2013, 06:21 PM
Awesome build! Keep going your close! Feels like I just watched all the previous seasons of a "show" and now I'm all caught up and have to wait till next weeks episode...

canadianA4B7
11-07-2013, 06:39 PM
Wow this is inspiring! Ive got a spare 2.7t engine coming out of my allroad as we speak. So im trying to plan something for it while i have it out. The whole 3.0 crank 2.8 heads is somewhat in the plans for mine. Keep up the work from a fellow canadian!

polishdupa
11-09-2013, 06:16 PM
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-eV6H3QvKHt4/Un7WAGssotI/AAAAAAAAAas/btKFIXOfAMQ/w704-h528-no/20131109_173749.jpg

polishdupa
11-10-2013, 03:44 PM
Just picked up a AEM Tru boost gauge/controller and fmic

polishdupa
01-22-2014, 08:10 PM
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-_HyEmdXEs2U/UuCFZ-dU57I/AAAAAAAAAbw/lAzQ1_8tx74/w704-h528-no/20140121_194623.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-zfLBrOkD_IY/UuCFjT5soNI/AAAAAAAAAb4/7KLDycl0aCc/w704-h528-no/20140121_194617.jpg

Just a glimpse of what I've been looking at for cylinder heads, port and polished (polisheddupa) with Ferrera Valve Springs & Retainers.

polishdupa
01-28-2014, 09:48 PM
my ideas for the 2 spare blocks i have

http://www.homecrux.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Engine-Block-coffee-table.jpg

polishdupa
02-16-2014, 10:03 PM
Just drilled and tapped some new bolt holes for the 2.8 exhaust manifold.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-DoXP04QSXPA/UwGWzPJbh-I/AAAAAAAAAcM/QsC3Ma0qMRc/w704-h528-no/P2160408.JPG

polishdupa
04-27-2014, 05:29 PM
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-kCvtrOyNJJo/U12R59bH_zI/AAAAAAAAAdU/d39kW5GldXQ/w704-h528-no/P4270001.JPG

getslideways
04-27-2014, 05:45 PM
http://i.qkme.me/35reep.jpg

polishdupa
04-28-2014, 08:56 PM
now some bad news.... as I was putting the engine in the egt sensor pulled out

fml

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-M2xjRfqjyQ8/U18TT018stI/AAAAAAAAAds/GA0vQisHKTM/w297-h528-no/20140428_204010

any ideas?

bobkatkat
04-28-2014, 09:27 PM
now some bad news.... as I was putting the engine in the egt sensor pulled out

fml

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-M2xjRfqjyQ8/U18TT018stI/AAAAAAAAAds/GA0vQisHKTM/w297-h528-no/20140428_204010

any ideas?

I would just snip ( or use a small pipe cutter like one for brake lines) the metal shield back to the cut wires and re-solder them. Use some high heat sealing shrink wrap and then wrap with insulated tape. I have a few rebuilt egts if you are stuck ( i am just in Calgary)

polishdupa
05-02-2014, 02:58 PM
Thanks man that's exactly what I did. Doesn't look pretty but the connection is solid.

polishdupa
08-22-2014, 10:28 AM
Updates..... I've been taking it easy over the past few weeks after I injured my ankle. But the engine is in and bolted to the tranny. The cylinder heads are all torqued up and rear coolant lines are in place. The turbo y-pipe is going in this weekend and maybe the belts... Then I'm looking into a stand alone ecu

landfill
08-22-2014, 04:18 PM
Looks good you won't regret going standalone.

uponone nogaro
09-03-2014, 09:40 PM
any updates im planning a 3.0 build

polishdupa
09-04-2014, 12:20 AM
Nothing yet been out of town for work

polishdupa
05-25-2015, 06:15 PM
I know it has been a while since my last up date.
So I had the engine in and I noticed a problem with the oil distribution line. After I pulled the engine I noticed the o-ring was pinched. Took off the flywheel and replaced the o-ring. reassembled everything and double checked all my bolts and fittings. I put the engine back in after I replaced the flywheel bolts. Reinstalled the turbo y-pipe and ran the oil lines. Then this happened......

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-TVLfuwIsQMs/VWNDnOkV_nI/AAAAAAAAAg8/gAo6guykiyE/w275-h489-no/upload_-1

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-wWaAqOVy_Rk/VWNDoHoI5hI/AAAAAAAAAhY/AZDe1brMwl4/w869-h489-no/upload_-1

Any guesses?

landfill
05-26-2015, 05:28 AM
Oh shit I was wondering what happened to this awesome build. Spill the beans!

UkuRiSh
05-26-2015, 08:58 AM
Single Turbo Brother :)

S4 00 2.7
05-26-2015, 09:54 AM
034 3.5" catback?

polishdupa
05-27-2015, 08:49 AM
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-hkYSCwJuTdg/VWNDmJF5UyI/AAAAAAAAAg0/EnD6gG9ryEY/w347-h195-no/upload_-1

polishdupa
05-27-2015, 08:50 AM
This is the state it is hibernating at now.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-gMbFtJITe18/VWNDjIWH-HI/AAAAAAAAAgc/JXqZxqIx1r4/w347-h195-no/upload_-1

landfill
05-29-2015, 07:45 PM
NICE![up]

polishdupa
09-20-2015, 07:32 PM
Making noise......

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tmmwl4hetzeq5ss/20150920_190127.mp4?dl=0

bondar1989
09-20-2015, 11:07 PM
props on this build, nice to hear it cranking. Any new updates? videos...[up]

bobkatkat
09-21-2015, 09:13 AM
yeah it lives!!

landfill
09-21-2015, 02:09 PM
Bout time. I wondered what was up with
this build. It has all the right stuff going on.
Post up some more vids please.

polishdupa
11-29-2015, 07:13 PM
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/102211294/audi/20151129_185651.jpg

Installed the oil pressure sensor

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/102211294/audi/20151129_185728.jpg

Mounted the gas pedal, required drilling some new hole and bending the pedal to avoid it from going Toyota on me and getting stuck full throttle.

88ninety9
11-29-2015, 07:19 PM
Dobrze wyglada!

polishdupa
05-26-2016, 09:54 PM
Made a bracket for the throttle cable, ran the fuel lines and installed a fuel gauge. Had to trim the cable, gas pedal is connected to the throttle, and working on the catch can lines.

https://photos-5.dropbox.com/t/2/AADKZNf8NLpDcJjN61I3Rl9SF4-v9IFE3bAhs5uUTqVfDw/12/102211294/jpeg/256x256/1/_/1/2/20160521_210711.jpg/EIeQl08YqgcgAigC/AwC5KNAADvSAJcSc3XSF6pK1qZfyEW6V299liaTiby4%2CFuFW hCbMy5JRHLBMqEUiiWP9ukWpEksOc2Xx2Px1QNU?size_mode= 3&size=2048x1536

https://photos-1.dropbox.com/t/2/AADLNUiP4lVdYh5CGnxzJBcvbzXxGTboigdkcgqh9daSIQ/12/102211294/jpeg/256x256/1/_/1/2/20160526_212024.jpg/EIeQl08YqgcgAigC/EcYjDaFFFpOnQUL_fVvz5yywGIpU2Bne1CESMSIhYoA%2CyZ87 wBt-AtEAU1lmmpbk_A8SbnrmmB3s_3ebZvLeiYs?size_mode=3&size=2048x1536

https://photos-1.dropbox.com/t/2/AABSQ9z0fsl-3pvwbuvzKPIUjER0mGZfbk4Vbj4iuAFIqg/12/102211294/jpeg/256x256/1/_/1/2/20160526_212033.jpg/EIeQl08YqgcgAigC/Gxn9MOK0LWxI30QNFNGKogic4hTAxpDVTLSg4YB4SfI?size_m ode=3&size=2048x1536

https://photos-6.dropbox.com/t/2/AACD0WZhjuyQKCLd7qRgRB2IjbPp_tSJvx8kly53oOWszQ/12/102211294/jpeg/256x256/1/_/1/2/20160526_212131.jpg/EIeQl08YqgcgAigC/BsLTYm8glNq_YhORNpKcpzJ5ZPctPrjUOJxRK1EJw0U%2CC2qb 9ajRO7I8UkEcKmfigcvhBn-R408fCwHhrYpmg4w?size_mode=3&size=2048x1536

polishdupa
05-26-2016, 10:03 PM
https://youtu.be/EArgLH3wFrs

polishdupa
05-29-2016, 11:10 PM
Did some more wiring today. Wired in the injectors, intake air temp, and coolant temp. Working on the ignition coils and finishing up the catch can, trying to find a nice place to mount it

polishdupa
01-07-2017, 11:18 PM
I finished the wiring and trying to fire up. The starter is cranking but engine is not firing up. I think the ecu isn't seeing crank position or the hall sensor.

- - - Updated - - -

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B3370KmhrMZ4QU5nWnJjUmZkWms

jaychen
01-08-2017, 12:21 AM
none of the photos work for me [confused]

oouellette
01-08-2017, 09:11 AM
Ne meither

AudiTechS4
01-08-2017, 09:11 AM
you can right click on the photo and open in new tab

polishdupa
01-08-2017, 01:05 PM
Off my laptop the photos work but when I was on the mobile site nothing.

jaychen
01-08-2017, 06:00 PM
you can right click on the photo and open in new tab

fuck...that.

getslideways
01-08-2017, 06:08 PM
google drive photo links are problematic and dont often embed well

polishdupa
01-08-2017, 09:15 PM
Is there another way to post

JVD
01-09-2017, 06:23 AM
You can just share a folder.

polishdupa
01-09-2017, 08:28 AM
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B3370KmhrMZ4QU5nWnJjUmZkWms

e30mclow
01-09-2017, 08:31 AM
On the edge of our seats here.

Do whatever it was you were doing before, as all those photos worked.

Nice to see an AB build.

Corradovolksb
01-09-2017, 08:44 AM
I thought that 034 dropped support for their EFI but I could be wrong. So you are not able to get it to fire yet?

polishdupa
01-09-2017, 09:53 AM
Yeah I know they dropped it wished they gave me the heads up when they sold me on it that they would be dropping it.

blitz2190
01-09-2017, 10:12 AM
Since you have the wiring done to what I assume is a single plug on the mcu, Have you thought about a megasquirt?, I believe the MS2 Has support for sequential COP up to 6 cylinders, full boost control outputs, with the right addons can also do auto tuning with a wideband. And can conrtol solenoids based on specified criteria such as the cam advance. and if I remember right someone has already done the trigger code for vw, but if not its also not that hard to do.

polishdupa
01-09-2017, 10:24 AM
Yeah I'm not wanted to drop more money on the ecu in hindsight yeah I might have gone with another system now I feeling like I'm, f**ked.

blitz2190
01-09-2017, 10:42 AM
if you decided to change, let me know I still have a spare MS2 V3 from an FI project I did a while back.

polishdupa
01-09-2017, 05:13 PM
Well I got some support... I was told to talk to pantera efi.

Lets try these photos again.

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blitz2190
01-09-2017, 05:53 PM
simple questions first, is the fuel pump getting power? and is the rpm reading anything?

polishdupa
01-09-2017, 08:54 PM
Yeah I have the fuel pump trigger 2 fuel pump relays I hear the surge tank pumping and I got fuel pressure reading on my fuel pressure gauge right At the fuel lines. I'm not getting rpm readings though, one thing I'm wondering is if the crank position sensor is seeing the teeth on the flywheel. The fuel pump turns off after a few seconds of not seeing a rpm reading.

For my cam/hall sensor I'm using the stock sensor.
Pin 1- hall sensor positive
Pin 2- cam shafts TDC trigger index phase angle
Pin 3- hall negative / shield


I'm second guessing the crank position sensor

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On this
Pin 1- VR output
Pin 2-VR Negative
Pin 3- Shield

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Pin 1- (220) Ground connections
Pin 2- blue wire
Pin 3-gray wire

blitz2190
01-09-2017, 10:11 PM
from that diagram going from the crank senor to the efi ecu pin 1 of the sensor (ground) should go to pin 3 (shield), pin 2(blue) of the sensor should go to pin 2 (vr negative), and pin 3(grey) of the sensor should go to pin 1 (vr output), at least that is how i would wire it. shield is definitely to ground.

NOTORIOUS VR
01-10-2017, 06:51 AM
from that diagram going from the crank senor to the efi ecu pin 1 of the sensor (ground) should go to pin 3 (shield), pin 2(blue) of the sensor should go to pin 2 (vr negative), and pin 3(grey) of the sensor should go to pin 1 (vr output), at least that is how i would wire it. shield is definitely to ground.

exactly right... 1 + 3 to sensor ground, pin 2 - to crank in (going from memory). Other wise it would be as said above 1+2 to sensor gnd, 3 to crank in on the ECU.

Remember the crank sensor is a VR sensor (mag). It should not have any power on it (look at the hall sensor note written down on the paper) so you shouldn't have 12V anywhere near the crank sensor!

The Hall sensors are only the 2 cam sensors.

polishdupa
01-10-2017, 09:05 AM
Yeah the 12 v note was on the wrong page and meant to say 5v

NOTORIOUS VR
01-10-2017, 09:07 AM
Yeah the 12 v note was on the wrong page and meant to say 5v

FWIW, most hall sensors will work with 5V or 12V in, and output a 5V square wave regardless of the input.

polishdupa
01-12-2017, 11:06 AM
I'm going to test the sensors this weekend. I'm wondering if maybe the trigger wheel on the fly wheel is not aligning up with the sensor.

NOTORIOUS VR
01-12-2017, 12:23 PM
I'm going to test the sensors this weekend. I'm wondering if maybe the trigger wheel on the fly wheel is not aligning up with the sensor.

even with the crank sensor wired in reverse polarity, usually the ECU will show RPM so if you're not seeing anything at all when cranking obviously there is something wrong somewhere.

You can if you like use a DVM set to AC voltage and put it across the +/- of the crank sensor and crank the car to check the sensor and wiring.. it should have somewhere between 5-20V or so I'd say during cranking.

DeltaAlpha9
01-13-2017, 12:19 PM
Can't wait to see this running around town. There is a severe lack of Audi builds in Edmonton haha.

polishdupa
01-15-2017, 12:46 PM
Good news. The sensor isn't working got no voltage on cranking, no resistance either. I took it off to make sure running it across a metal plate to get the magnet moving, still no voltage. But i did get a look at the trigger wheel and everything seems to be lining up. So the good news is that it its probably just the sensor.

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So this is the photo of the crank position hole with the trigger wheel on the fly wheel.

polishdupa
01-17-2017, 09:00 PM
Thanks to my brother, he gave me a used sensor he had. I tested it and got a voltage reading when cranking. I hooked it but and monitored it. the ecu is reading rpm now. I cranked it a few times and got a back fire that scared me.... the car hasn't made noise for years i wasn't expecting it

NOTORIOUS VR
01-18-2017, 06:52 AM
Thanks to my brother, he gave me a used sensor he had. I tested it and got a voltage reading when cranking. I hooked it but and monitored it. the ecu is reading rpm now. I cranked it a few times and got a back fire that scared me.... the car hasn't made noise for years i wasn't expecting it

well that's good news... that said you shouldn't be attempting to start the car without confirming timing sync...

the back fire means your timing or ignition outputs are not correct/sync'd.

Review the firing order and wiring, if that is correct disconnect power to the coils and grab a friend.. lock the timing in the ECU during cranking and using a timing gun verify the timing you're seeing on the ECU matches at the motor.

polishdupa
01-18-2017, 11:45 AM
I had the timing set advance from the base file... I didn't realize it after I looked at the configuration

JB5
01-18-2017, 03:15 PM
Man i didn't realize this build was going on in Edmonton!!
I'm actually visiting from out of town but leaving on saturday already. this is going to be a beast when it's done.
I can only imagine what the single turbo 2.7t is going to feel like. I got a 2.7t on my B6 but opted for leaving the K03s on for now since it was a budget build. biig difference from 3.0 to 2.7t... love it!

polishdupa
01-21-2017, 12:52 PM
I'm thinking about replacing the 3.0 badge on the trunk with this.

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polishdupa
02-05-2017, 10:31 PM
Well I changed out the crank position sensor and double check the base file.....
Long story short.


It is loud...
Still need to work on the idle but the engine fired up.

polishdupa
02-08-2017, 10:22 AM
I'll upload the video later

NOTORIOUS VR
02-08-2017, 10:52 AM
I'll upload the video later
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polishdupa
02-11-2017, 01:55 PM
https://youtu.be/heWpPDkDESg

I don't have the idle air control motor connected and I tried to control it using the throttle.... Didn't work out.
The other video didn't loaf

Zba
02-11-2017, 02:04 PM
That's a lot of dust lol. Probably feels good 👍

polishdupa
02-11-2017, 02:58 PM
That's a lot of dust lol. Probably feels good 👍

It was like that when I started... Haha.
Yeah that's sad

polishdupa
02-11-2017, 08:55 PM
https://youtu.be/orDpIJz06jc

What a beautiful sound

IronAudi
02-13-2017, 03:18 PM
What do you need to go to have the Tach work? Or are you planning on shifting my engine noise.

NOTORIOUS VR
02-13-2017, 05:56 PM
What do you need to go to have the Tach work? Or are you planning on shifting my engine noise.

The cluster tacho is driven by the CANBUS... that means he will have to either figure out the addresses and offsets on his own and hopefully the 034EFI ECU can output engine speed via the CANBUS to the address the cluster is looking for, or come up with some other way like an external tach option.

polishdupa
02-14-2017, 06:56 PM
right now its going to be a external tach till i figure it out

Mikse
06-24-2017, 02:37 AM
Go for Tial 880R. They are being tested now and hopefully out soon.

OR, just go 770's and be done with it.
Bump from the grave but was there ever a protopype of 880R?

replica_rs4
06-24-2017, 11:49 AM
Bump from the grave but was there ever a protopype of 880R?
I think 880r is just a 770 with 71 mm wheel vs 68 mm .

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Mikse
06-26-2017, 10:28 AM
I think 880r is just a 770 with 71 mm wheel vs 68 mm .

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But that "upgrade" wouldn't make any sence since the coldside/hotside is already a bad mismatch. But if thats the case no wonder they didnt release new product.

replica_rs4
06-26-2017, 11:41 AM
But that "upgrade" wouldn't make any sence since the coldside/hotside is already a bad mismatch. But if thats the case no wonder they didnt release new product.
This is just an assumption on my part . the only mention of 880r I have ever seen is on amd c5 rs6 .

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polishdupa
07-16-2017, 11:59 PM
https://youtu.be/zIPzitNsyFU

It's been a while since my last update.
After having problems with the idle. I ended up finding a plug that wasn't working. Had to disassemble the intake piping cause the hood wouldn't close and welded up my intake piping.

NOTORIOUS VR
07-17-2017, 09:12 AM
^^ In that video it doesn't sound like it's firing on all 6 at all... you should really go over everything something is not right.

polishdupa
07-17-2017, 10:26 AM
I have the acceleration enrichment set too low. I also don't have exhaust. Just a 2 foot pipe off the turbo

polishdupa
07-31-2018, 10:13 AM
I know it has been a long time since I last posted and update. Yeah NOTORIOUS VR you were right I had a fouled plug on cylinder 5. I ended up ripping out all the wiring and soldering everything instead of using crimp on butt connectors. And cleaning up the wiring. Also I installed a water/meth kit and wired in the launch control using a button where the cigarette lighter was.

polishdupa
07-31-2018, 01:20 PM
https://i.imgur.com/XUWvcXz.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/rSLEi3l.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/dOgsmGl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/95bELTd.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ATlQlHZ.jpg

polishdupa
07-31-2018, 01:53 PM
New gun metal finish rims still looking for rubbers
https://i.imgur.com/Uz5K55O.jpg
Brakes that are ready to go in
https://i.imgur.com/aNikaJ1.jpg
And exhaust is done
https://i.imgur.com/dOgsmGl.jpg

polishdupa
11-22-2018, 09:39 AM
After struggling with the tuning and looking for the miss fire, I ended up doing a compression test. I found bank 2 miss fires on cylinders 4 and 6. I did a leak down test and it passed. Things just didn't make sense. I pulled the valve covers off and brought cylinder 6 to tdc and I noticed the cams open when they should be closed. Looked into the intake and sure enough saw that the valves were open. That's when I started looking into the timing. And I found the cam chain timing off by one chain lobe. After getting that fixed I threw it back in, reassembled everything and checked compression. Finally all 6 cylinders reading about 160psi. Loaded my base file and crossed my fingers. She fired up nice. Idled for about 5 minutes. Then I shut her down cause I want to do an oil change, over thinking that I washed my oil down.

christianb5s4
11-27-2018, 08:38 AM
Glad you figured it out, stuff like that happens with such an involved build. Better safe than sorry on the oil change and always good that no damage happened!