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clconversion
04-13-2005, 11:35 AM
just wounder if you guys have seen this new kit available I've heard about this but the stock manifold will not be able to hanlde this kind of power if it can I might just have to sell my K04 and GIAC setup and go with something like this with custom software

STKSKI
04-13-2005, 11:39 AM
what exactly is this??? I have never heard of this kit? explain...links?

MKGIY
04-13-2005, 11:39 AM
What kit?

Mike

IndieRockSteve
04-13-2005, 11:47 AM
eliminators?

Saturnine
04-13-2005, 11:52 AM
New Garrett turbos (http://www.atpturbo.com/root/releases/release041205.htm)

clconversion
04-13-2005, 11:53 AM
go to www.atpturbo.com pricing will not be released till next week

94jedi
04-13-2005, 12:04 PM
Nice, they've had these out for a little while though right? I guess they just have a new way to market them.

IndieRockSteve
04-13-2005, 12:10 PM
so a new company is starting to sell a kit...

clconversion
04-13-2005, 12:22 PM
I don't think they are selling it as a kit they will just be selling the turbo ATP doesn't have any software unless they are going to come up with something for this I guess we will have to wait and see didn't know if you guys maybe had somemore info on this than I did

94jedi
04-13-2005, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by clconversion
I don't think they are selling it as a kit they will just be selling the turbo ATP doesn't have any software unless they are going to come up with something for this I guess we will have to wait and see didn't know if you guys maybe had somemore info on this than I did

I think they have some beta software that they will sell you for $40 or so. They won't stand behind it though....

trakkstar
04-13-2005, 12:52 PM
its not a new kit its just a gt28rs with a custom exhaust housing that atp made so that it can be a stock replacement instead of buying a new manifold and d/p thus cuttin the cost on this kit. ya atp has the software for 90 bux installed.

DRA4
04-13-2005, 01:03 PM
The set up for the 2.7T is crazy, 400hp to 800hp, get ready to see more S4 running 10s.

IndieRockSteve
04-13-2005, 01:06 PM
wow that is crazy. I'd LOVE to see what a RS6 can do with some Garrett turbo's. Maybe I can go in 50/50 with my dad if he can still get the turbo's for free...

clconversion
04-13-2005, 01:08 PM
free turbo's ?????

94jedi
04-13-2005, 01:52 PM
Originally posted by clconversion
free turbo's ?????

k0mpresd
04-13-2005, 01:53 PM
Originally posted by IndieRockSteve
so a new company is starting to sell a kit...


atp is not new, they have been around a long time, they were vwturbo.com for a while before growing and changing to atpturbo.com

they make a lot of stuff other people dont...but their customer service is lacking to say the least

Hassmeister
04-13-2005, 02:04 PM
Originally posted by k0mpresd
atp is not new, they have been around a long time, they were vwturbo.com for a while before growing and changing to atpturbo.com

they make a lot of stuff other people dont...but their customer service is lacking to say the least
That and not a lot of people run ATP turbo stuff.
I'd rather have someone like AWE, APR, PES kits that are very popular and customer supported too.

AB18
04-13-2005, 02:08 PM
Yeah, atps service isnt that great. And there sofware kinda sucks...

94jedi
04-13-2005, 02:11 PM
I keep hearing negative things about atp but it seems to be all hear-say. No one has had any first hand poor experiences. Someone please interject if I'm wrong.

OutkastSL
04-13-2005, 02:44 PM
i saw this yesterday when atp updated their site yesterday. i'm looking into this. i'm tip so i just want a gt25r and tuned at 220-240 whp. atp's software is decent but not great. b5t28 (bought car from vmsturbo) has it and it seems to be running great, but it was tuned at atp. i'm local so i can definately get the chip and have them tune it.

B5T28
04-13-2005, 03:14 PM
Yeah i haven't had any problems yet with the software, the kit itself is holding up better than my old pes t28 kit. AND making rediculous amounts of power. So in general i am overly pleased with they're product.

OutkastSL
04-13-2005, 03:36 PM
but i do believe vmsturbo had the car tuned specifically by atp, so that's probably why it's so great. if someone just got their ecu chipped and did get it completely tuned, they would probably be running 80% of their potential, if that.

B5T28
04-13-2005, 03:48 PM
yeah he said something like 50 hours of dyno time... so your right, but i'm just saying they have the ability to do good work

AFOUR_PLAY
04-13-2005, 05:01 PM
Sounds interesting, would this turbo upgrade work with K04 programing or do you need special programming?

Not talking about the GT28RS turbo but something smaller

quickglx
04-13-2005, 05:09 PM
Originally posted by 94jedi
I keep hearing negative things about atp but it seems to be all hear-say. No one has had any first hand poor experiences. Someone please interject if I'm wrong.

I have. My friend and I put and ATP stage 2 turbo kit on his VW golf at my shop. I'll just say it was a very poorly designed kit and he ended up trading the car in after two months of driving it and is trying to part out the kit. They have VERY poor customer service.

bitterchild
04-13-2005, 06:37 PM
Those cast housings make it so much easier to use the garretts. Course a good pipe job is still sexier. The 2.7t applications are quite interesting

AB18
04-13-2005, 06:51 PM
Talk to tomritt, he has there software with his gt28rs, he will tell you its nothing special.

clouie
04-14-2005, 12:04 AM
so does any one know how much these ko4 eliminators will run?

clconversion
04-14-2005, 05:19 AM
everyone knows ATP's software is garbage but if you just buy the kit spend a little extra and get dalback to tune it and you will be good its going to cost a little extra but its going to be putting out some big #'s too

offroader1006
04-14-2005, 05:31 AM
for the extra $$ for a custom tune you could get a complete GT28RS kit

50 hrs on a dyno aint cheap

clconversion
04-14-2005, 06:04 AM
Originally posted by offroader1006
for the extra $$ for a custom tune you could get a complete GT28RS kit

50 hrs on a dyno aint cheap

but thwen again you need to get tunning for this

docurley
04-14-2005, 06:13 AM
I'm looking in to this kit more so than PES as they have treated me like crap with regards to my software for my SC so not goner use them again although the hardware is good.

So with the GT28rs kit I would be looking at custom software, as the US software would not work with our fuel. So as long as the hardware and the price are right it maybe my next kit.

94jedi
04-14-2005, 06:22 AM
Originally posted by clconversion
everyone knows ATP's software is garbage but if you just buy the kit spend a little extra and get dalback to tune it and you will be good its going to cost a little extra but its going to be putting out some big #'s too

Uh...you sure about that? I was always under the impression that Dahlback won't touch a turbo that isn't made by Borg Warner. I may be wrong about this though.

Monchichi8
04-14-2005, 07:05 AM
IF this new turbo mounts directly to your factory set up.. and Its a KO4 replacement(garret is just built better) Shoudn't we be able to use the software from APR, GIAC,..etc, etc.???????
Need more info...please.

clconversion
04-14-2005, 07:55 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 94jedi
Uh...you sure about that? I was always under the impression that Dahlback won't touch a turbo that isn't made by Borg Warner. I may be wrong about this though. [/QU

O I'm sorry I was not aware of this then I guess it is back to finding custom software

trakkstar
04-14-2005, 08:00 AM
ive got a an aggressive k04 file from upsolute and im gonna see how it works with this turbo. the boost spikes at 20-23 psi and thats the pressure at which u would make 300 whp and ill also use 440cc green tops with and afr. i really dont see why it wouldnt run right but i can alway be wrong. im just gonna try it first before i get another tune. upsolute tunes these gt28rs kits all day long. they actually have files written for this setup so nothin custom u need really

clconversion
04-14-2005, 10:34 AM
really I might just have to give them a call then

Hassmeister
04-14-2005, 10:42 AM
Originally posted by trakkstar
ive got a an aggressive k04 file from upsolute and im gonna see how it works with this turbo. the boost spikes at 20-23 psi and thats the pressure at which u would make 300 whp and ill also use 440cc green tops with and afr. i really dont see why it wouldnt run right but i can alway be wrong. im just gonna try it first before i get another tune. upsolute tunes these gt28rs kits all day long. they actually have files written for this setup so nothin custom u need really

Wow really, I never knew that. Let us know.

I just did a Google search and there are a lot of negatives about the Upsolute K04 program.

bitterchild
04-14-2005, 10:58 AM
just because they can get a garrett turbo to fit in place of a borg warner doesn't mean you can run the same software. The housings, a/r and wheels are completely different. Come on people

trakkstar
04-14-2005, 11:00 AM
no for real...but yet people run k03 software on k04...i just know that it is an aggressive file so like i said im gonna TRY it and if not get it re tuned

Hassmeister
04-14-2005, 11:35 AM
Originally posted by trakkstar
no for real...but yet people run k03 software on k04...i just know that it is an aggressive file so like i said im gonna TRY it and if not get it re tuned

Wish you luck. Let us know.

AB18
04-14-2005, 12:40 PM
Guys, trackstar is audihere, sameguy who scammed the guy over about the chip. Hes just here with a new name.

94jedi
04-14-2005, 01:15 PM
Was he the guy who sold somone just the chip (no deco board) for like $200? And all the legs on the chip were bent to ****?

tsk tsk trakkstar. Shame on you[mad]

offroader1006
04-14-2005, 01:16 PM
thats him

Hassmeister
04-14-2005, 01:35 PM
Zoowy Batman what shall we do now?


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/Hassmeister/rbin476s.jpg

Burntaudi
04-14-2005, 01:37 PM
Dahlbach will only do custom tuning if it's a KKK/Borg-Warner turbo.

clconversion
04-14-2005, 02:05 PM
well that sucks we need to talk them into tunning these GT28RS turbo's

k0mpresd
04-14-2005, 02:36 PM
uplosute software sucks, a lot of people have problems w/ the big turbo upsolute software

if you need software for a big turbo, revo are the people to talk to

the atp hardware kit is a good kit, but its probably cheaper to piece a kit together...

if youre really that worried about software and everything matching, then an apr stg 3 is what you want

keep in mind, it is possible to run big turbos on k03 files, they just take a little tweaking

derek2079
04-14-2005, 02:41 PM
all i can say is that i am glad i waited to do major perfomance mods because this kit may be a really good thing

STKSKI
04-14-2005, 02:46 PM
Very nice! I like this idea of bolt on turbo's! (saves me money on manifold and downpipe)

This is making the big turbo process look alot easier and cheaper now. The only questions i have are 1) will the stock manifold be sufficient enough to flow the air a gt28RS needs? or maybe a ported/polished one? 2) will the stock MAF be enough for this setup too? I know that alot of people use a vr6 maf for a gt28rs setup.

All i know is my car with the turboback 3in exhaust, and new clutch is just needing one of these turbo's, a FMIC, injectors, and a good tune and it will be running nice.

k0mpresd
04-14-2005, 03:05 PM
if youre trying to run a gt28rs on a k03 or k04 file it will probably run better mafless...

i would really worreid about the stocker flowing enough to spool a 28rs...the runners are tiny on the inside

if you want to run a 28rs and a maf you will need to get a vr6 maf housing and swap the sensors, most of the bt software is designed for 440cc injectors and a vr6 housing

i know tomritt has a vr6 housing w/ his 28rs

alot of people on vortex w/ bt set ups run mafless

personally, my t3/t4 car runs a lot better mafless, i installed a vr6 housing and it ran super rich @ idle, to the point of completely fouling the plugs and stalling when warm @ idle or i should say trying to idle

each car is different

edit: pics to show how small the runners/stock manifold is, thats a quarter in the pics btw, the first two are runners, i took the pics looking down into the runners on the head side, the last 3 are of where the turbo bolts to the manifold

http://www.uploadpixels.com/upload/1113517246_uploadpixels.com_DSC_00055.jpg
http://www.uploadpixels.com/upload/1113517262_uploadpixels.com_DSC_00056.jpg
http://www.uploadpixels.com/upload/1113517271_uploadpixels.com_DSC_00057.jpg
http://www.uploadpixels.com/upload/1113517281_uploadpixels.com_DSC_00058.jpg
http://www.uploadpixels.com/upload/1113517290_uploadpixels.com_DSC_00059.jpg

Burntaudi
04-14-2005, 03:40 PM
Originally posted by k0mpresd
if you need software for a big turbo, revo are the people to talk to


That depends on what year you talking about. Revo does not make non-dbw software and last I heard they had no plans to start.

trakkstar
04-14-2005, 03:52 PM
to go mafless do u have to have a custom tune to delete it or an u just unplug it? i know i have a 3" atp maf and larger injectors at cold start it runs rich then when its warmed up it starts to lean out alot. i also have an 01

Enclave
04-14-2005, 03:58 PM
I dont recommend going mafless unless you get a real standalone that uses speed density to calculate fuel. Our ECUs are designed to use a MAFs.

clconversion
04-15-2005, 04:59 AM
1 more concern I have berfore I go and sell my K04 kit is how is this GT28RS going to be for daily driving I do know there is going to be more lag than the K04 but everytime when boost kicks in is it just going to throw me back in my seat still need to be daily drivable ?

offroader1006
04-15-2005, 06:56 AM
you cant just take your MAF off, you have to have some kind of fuel management.

also, there may be more lag, but the gt28rs will still be pushing more air.

so streetability shouldnt suffer, unless you are a heavy footed driver

trakkstar
04-15-2005, 07:01 AM
ya i didnt think u could just delete the maf that easily as that person made it sound. the gt28rs really doesnt spool much later than the k04 and it will deff be still streetable

clconversion
04-15-2005, 07:09 AM
ok thanks for the answer the next question I have sorry is I know trakkstar has a p&p manifold but what are the rest of you guys doing ?

a4rings
04-16-2005, 12:21 AM
How much is this gonna cost? atp sells just the gt28rs for like 1300$, i was thinking, could wwe just buy a gt28rs for cheap from somewhere els and then just buy rest of the kit fromm atp?

trakkstar
04-16-2005, 10:36 AM
ur missing the point on this turbo bc they recasted the exhaust housing so that it mounts to ur stock manifold but hey if u wanna buy a gt28rs from somewhere else ull then need a new manifold, d/p, and v band adaptor

a4rings
04-16-2005, 01:50 PM
Oh i thought they made a bracket or something for the gt28rs, i didnt know that they actually modified the turbo

98a4
04-26-2005, 07:40 PM
Why is everyone focused on the gt28rs... They are making a bunch of turbos in this style, tthey just picture the 28rs. Atleast thats how I read it...

"The flexible range of reliable Garrett turbos available in direct bolt-on form via ATP cast housings. There is a turbo to suit even the most demanding of customers, ranging from the GT2X series which outspools and out flows the K04, to the popular and high power 350HP GT28RS. "
Sounds to me like there will be gt25s and gt28's and others also...

AFOUR_PLAY
04-26-2005, 07:51 PM
yeah, that's how I read it.
Is it possible to run the GT25s on K04 software?

Just a thought since there's a shortage of K04s

98a4
04-26-2005, 07:54 PM
That should work. Size is fairly close. Some agressive ko4 file set for injectors and a FMIC should work fairly well.

AFOUR_PLAY
04-26-2005, 07:56 PM
That's what I have, GIAC programing for FMIC and bigger injectors.

I'm not a fan of the K04 because it's still small and expensive.

98a4
04-26-2005, 07:57 PM
I'd love for a ko3 flanged gt28

Also, ATP willl be offering better designed ko3 flanged exhaust manifolds. So this is not limited to a P&P stock one. They are said to have a full line of tubular manifolds to match....
I'll be picking up one of these this summer for sure.

OutkastSL
04-26-2005, 08:34 PM
that's how i read it too, and i'm considering just a gt25r in the atp housing. just enough hp for my tiptronic, if i don't upgrade it. if i end up upgrading with the level ten i'm definately gonna get the gt28rs.

either way i was going to get the pc-16 software and use some sort of piggy back fuel management to finely tune it as much as possible or just get the atp software and have them tune it for me since i'm only 15 minutes away. [:D]

Enclave
04-26-2005, 08:56 PM
Originally posted by 98a4
I'd love for a ko3 flanged gt28

Also, ATP willl be offering better designed ko3 flanged exhaust manifolds. So this is not limited to a P&P stock one. They are said to have a full line of tubular manifolds to match....
I'll be picking up one of these this summer for sure.

Thats the beauty of these turbos. They allow people to mod in steps instead of dishing out 2-3k on hardware. Most of us already have upgraded downpipes and in the old traditional way, we would need to ditch it in order to get a downpipe that fits some tuner's placement of the turbo. Now its much easier to upgrade. Get an exhaust. Not happy with the power? Drop in a GT28rs with injectors and software. Still not happy with the power? Get a upgraded manifold.

Another scenario is to upgrade your exhaust, get software like Revo where you can upgrade from k03 -> gt28rs for a small fee, get a hi flo cat, get a manifold. Do all of these in steps and still beable to drive your car since it fits the small k03. Then when you are ready to step up, you can drop a gt28rs with injectors/maf/fpr.

Standardization is a beautiful thing. All of the aftermarket support we had for the k03 now becomes compatible with these new line of turbos. The consumer now has more choices to pick and choose their hardware which suits their power needs and their pocketbooks.

We finally have an option which WRXs, DSMs, and Nissans have had for years. [up]

98a4
04-27-2005, 10:24 AM
Well said Enclave. ATP make a good choice with R&D effort into this, they will see alot more business, and if they can get their software in order, they will be a MAJOR contendor with the bigger guys... This is a industry changing step IMO