View Full Version : Had a run with a TT-RS today
Deep Sea S4
08-16-2011, 12:13 PM
Pulled out in front of me with dealer plates on. Audi sales guy was driving. They look pretty decent.
We ran onto a wide open toll road (407 for your Toronto folks) and I think he figured he would just take off on me in my S4 but that wasn't the case, we messed around on the highway but I can safely say that a manual S4 with the 93 APR tune pulled on him at will.
They are fast don't get me wrong but from 80kmh to 150kmh I could close on him in 3rd and 4th. The S4 is so strong till redline with the tune. He was flat out. Sound is pretty interesting from that engine and exhaust. Something different for sure
He seemed pretty surprised at the light that I was able to dispatch him.
I'm not one for racing stories but i figured I would share. Anyone else come across one on the roads?http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa472/jbutcher1975/IMG-20110816-00159-1.jpg
Don Supreme
08-16-2011, 12:18 PM
"dispatch him"
nice..
Turbwhistle
08-16-2011, 12:19 PM
I think i saw one last week, i may be wrong, but cool story.
Deep Sea S4
08-16-2011, 12:20 PM
I was able to snap a picture of it from behind but I cant seem to get it to show here from a flicker account???
NWS4Guy
08-16-2011, 12:52 PM
I was able to snap a picture of it from behind but I cant seem to get it to show here from a flicker account???
Use Photobucket.com
Just wait until those get re-mapped. You will need a lot more then the APR tune to catch one.
Deep Sea S4
08-16-2011, 01:07 PM
Use Photobucket.com
I had an account there and had used them many times, mixed it up with Flickr, that site sucks.
Good advice
ahcow
08-16-2011, 01:23 PM
Not a fan of the spoiler, but I might swing by a dealer to see.
theKB
08-16-2011, 01:41 PM
the 407 is my favorite road in the GTA!!! Although your "street racing laws" much like ours in BC are horribly archaic.
Great to hear although if that car had a tune it probably would have produced a different result! Love the engines in those cars!
Deep Sea S4
08-16-2011, 01:54 PM
Just wait until those get re-mapped. You will need a lot more then the APR tune to catch one.
Ain't that the truth. Perhaps with the pulley and the 100 octane it might be ok.
Their are programs in Europe for this engine correct?
Fonzie@DipYourCar
08-16-2011, 02:13 PM
[QUOTE=Deep Sea S4;6782502]Ain't that the truth. Perhaps with the pulley and the 100 octane it might be ok. QUOTE]
i don't even know if a stage 2 100 s4 will keep up with a chipped ttrs.. i'm not an expert, but based on what's being said.. they are supposed to be scary quick
Dr GP
08-16-2011, 02:22 PM
Anyone else wondering what the mileage of this car will be when the owner takes delivery?
tomh009
08-16-2011, 02:26 PM
Ain't that the truth. Perhaps with the pulley and the 100 octane it might be ok.
Their are programs in Europe for this engine correct?
http://www.goapr.com/products/ecu_upgrade_25tfsi_ttrs.html
106 hp gain on 98 RON (93 RON+MON/2) fuel.
OmaHahn
08-16-2011, 02:42 PM
The U.S. TT-RS will actually have more HP than the Euro version but without Launch Control. Check this out:
None of the U.S. cars will have the dual-clutch transmission. Because of the tiny volume being imported, Audi’s American arm had to choose only one transmission: either a six-speed manual or the seven-speed dual-clutch. They went with the manual, which doesn’t have launch control. But, our TT RS will have 25 more horsepower than the base European version, for a total of 360. (Europe is likely to get an option package that will boost its car to our horsepower total.) We anticipate that the extra horses won’t make up for the launch control’s advantage, and predict a 0-to-60 time of 4.5 seconds with the manual.
This is about the same time for the S4 isn't it?
CJ_S4
08-16-2011, 03:09 PM
C&D Tested this car at 3.6s 0-60; 9.3s 0-100; and 12.1@113 which are all rediculous times. As mentioned, however, this is from the LC enabled DSG box. In the article it the editors guess that without LC in a manual car the 0-60 is more like 4.5s. Still...I can't get over that 113 mph trap speed and the sub 10s 0-100 time. Wow.
So I am very suprised you were able to keep up. That's good news! Especially considering this car is supposed to have 360 HP compared to 335 in the the test mule...
See article here (http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparisons/11q1/2012_audi_tt_rs_vs._2011_bmw_1-series_m_coupe_2011_infiniti_ipl_g_coupe-comparison_tests/2012_audi_tt_rs_page_3)
legbend
08-16-2011, 03:26 PM
Local dealer has one. I saw it, but I think the salesmen were busy trashing it. Sounded nice.
Stereodude
08-16-2011, 04:01 PM
http://www.goapr.com/products/ecu_upgrade_25tfsi_ttrs.html
106 hp gain on 98 RON (93 RON+MON/2) fuel.I'd be nervous about the clutch holding all that torque. There has to be a reason why Audi tuned the car to only deliver about 350TQ across the revs when it could do 500+.
cyberS4
08-16-2011, 04:06 PM
So you smoked the guy? TTRS is suppose to do 3.7 seconds, but maybe you were a better drive.
NWS4Guy
08-16-2011, 04:07 PM
So you smoked the guy? TTRS is suppose to do 3.7 seconds, but maybe you were a better drive.
Well according to his post, this was roll-ons, not from a dig, so 0-60 means jack.
Deep Sea S4
08-16-2011, 04:23 PM
3.7 in 0-60 is not with a 6 speed. I think its mentioned above its more like a 4.5 or so. No doubt quick but sub 4's are pretty tough with the gearing in that car.
It was from a roll at 80kmh to 150 or so.
Ain't that the truth. Perhaps with the pulley and the 100 octane it might be ok.
Their are programs in Europe for this engine correct?
Take it for what it's worth but here is a vid of tuned TT-RS vs. tuned e60 M5.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXuxigqjC30
GameBreaker
08-16-2011, 05:12 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXQMNkNtxfI&feature=related
I think this one is just as telling to it's true capabilities
Deep Sea S4
08-16-2011, 05:15 PM
How would an S4 with software and a pulley run against an R8 4.2?
clochner
08-16-2011, 05:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXQMNkNtxfI&feature=related
I think this one is just as telling to it's true capabilities
Whoa! [o_o][o_o][o_o]
SLYCAT
08-16-2011, 05:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXQMNkNtxfI&feature=related
I think this one is just as telling to it's true capabilities
That was down right RIDICULOUS!!!!
clochner
08-16-2011, 05:31 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXQMNkNtxfI&feature=related
I think this one is just as telling to it's true capabilities
Now that I think about it, I'd be curious to know the weight difference between these two. I mean, it would be pretty insane to pay like $160,000 for something that performs WAY slower than a comparable Audi that's nearly THREE TIMES less expensive!! Craziness.
burrito007
08-16-2011, 06:09 PM
The U.S. TT-RS will actually have more HP than the Euro version but without Launch Control. Check this out:
None of the U.S. cars will have the dual-clutch transmission. Because of the tiny volume being imported, Audi’s American arm had to choose only one transmission: either a six-speed manual or the seven-speed dual-clutch. They went with the manual, which doesn’t have launch control. But, our TT RS will have 25 more horsepower than the base European version, for a total of 360. (Europe is likely to get an option package that will boost its car to our horsepower total.) We anticipate that the extra horses won’t make up for the launch control’s advantage, and predict a 0-to-60 time of 4.5 seconds with the manual.
This is about the same time for the S4 isn't it?
0-60 times are pretty meaningless especially when you get into awd cars. The real metric is 1/4 mile times and traps.
The s4 really comes alive in 2nd/3rd gear especially with the APR93 **- that is why he was easily able to "dispactch" the tt-rs. Stock for stock they should be about the same with the edge MAYBE going to the TT due to weight advantage. In the end of the day they will both be great modding platforms but there is no replacement for displacement and the S4 will probably always outgun the TT mod-for-mod with the basic bolt-ons. When turbo swaps come out for the TT-RS it may be game-over.
Plus the TT in the video is Daytona Gray, which adds 50hp at least.
rayray
08-16-2011, 06:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXQMNkNtxfI&feature=related
I think this one is just as telling to it's true capabilities
[eek][eek] Wow! Scary fast little car there!
CBRmatt600
08-16-2011, 06:29 PM
An S4 with a tune and a pulley would likely keep up with or pull on an R8 V8 as well.
Beast
08-16-2011, 07:08 PM
wow so the TTRS is here now in Tdot? thats the downtown audi right. I usually go to Audi of mississauga
NWS4Guy
08-16-2011, 08:27 PM
An S4 with a tune and a pulley would likely keep up with or pull on an R8 V8 as well.
OP has only 93 tune I believe, and he said he pulled on the TTRS, we just saw a TTRS pull on R8 V8, so....
CBRmatt600
08-16-2011, 08:38 PM
OP has only 93 tune I believe, and he said he pulled on the TTRS, we just saw a TTRS pull on R8 V8, so....
Was the TT-RS in the video stock? I thought it had a tune for some reason.
rugbylion
08-16-2011, 08:49 PM
?....Audi sales guy was driving.....
so that's why so many miles get on these cars....
Anthony
08-17-2011, 01:08 AM
Not a fan of the spoiler, but I might swing by a dealer to see.
A "rear spoiler delete" is a factory option. That's how the available one at my local dealer is equipped.
Take it for what it's worth but here is a vid of tuned TT-RS vs. tuned e60 M5.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXuxigqjC30
This is an impressive video as well, although the guy's voice sounds like the bear on "Cleveland Show".
The TTRS must have been chipped - the R8 got smoked!
Deep Sea S4
08-17-2011, 04:54 AM
I have to believe that TT in the video must have been chipped as it walked that R8.
ahcow
08-17-2011, 06:40 AM
Now that I think about it, I'd be curious to know the weight difference between these two. I mean, it would be pretty insane to pay like $160,000 for something that performs WAY slower than a comparable Audi that's nearly THREE TIMES less expensive!! Craziness.
well, R8 V8 is not $160k (even in Canada, it is $134k, got to be cheaper in US) but that's besides the point. At the end of the day, one is driving a TT, the other is driving an R8. I know which one I rather be in regardless of which is faster. If performance is most important, then you can spend the same money as an R8 V8 on a GTR with mods, it will smoke both of these cars. =\
leviathan18
08-17-2011, 07:00 AM
the sound of that I5 is amazing
NWS4Guy
08-17-2011, 07:55 AM
I have to believe that TT in the video must have been chipped as it walked that R8.
Not necessarily - the Rb V8 is the same 4.2 with the bad CB issues, could easily have been down a few dozen ponies.
OmaHahn
08-17-2011, 07:59 AM
0-60 times are pretty meaningless especially when you get into awd cars. The real metric is 1/4 mile times and traps.
The s4 really comes alive in 2nd/3rd gear especially with the APR93 **- that is why he was easily able to "dispactch" the tt-rs. Stock for stock they should be about the same with the edge MAYBE going to the TT due to weight advantage. In the end of the day they will both be great modding platforms but there is no replacement for displacement and the S4 will probably always outgun the TT mod-for-mod with the basic bolt-ons. When turbo swaps come out for the TT-RS it may be game-over.
You're preaching to the choir! I posted this because some people were saying the S4 would get smoked by the TT-RS which clearly my posts suggest other-wise. Go S4! I absolutley agree and use the same quote all the time, "no replacement for displacement!!!" I can't believe so many people buy the turbo 4-bangers! They're still nice cars and they're part of "the family," but no thanks!
tortoise
08-17-2011, 08:01 AM
Thats a nice one!
I had a run with my buddy's TTS, he had stage 3 maps with Owen Turbo, had a hard time pulling from him. The S4's power is good, but its weight drags down the power as well. The S4's prob like 1750kg, the TTS's prob 1,400 or so only.
jcmiro
08-17-2011, 10:00 AM
It would also kill it...I raced one in my APRed S5 sportback heavy pig no pulley, and had him by about half a car length.
@ race vs V8 R8
BUSAfREAkA4
08-17-2011, 10:39 AM
I think i saw one last week, i may be wrong, but cool story.
not tru. they are not for sale in the US yet. I already tried to buy one. Its 500$ to get on a waiting list. [headbang]
clochner
08-17-2011, 10:44 AM
not tru. they are not for sale in the US yet. I already tried to buy one. Its 500$ to get on a waiting list. [headbang]
Sure they are: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/438401-2012-US-Spec-TT-RS-Priced-56-850?p=6767279&viewfull=1#post6767279
[headbang][headbang]
NWS4Guy
08-17-2011, 10:47 AM
not tru. they are not for sale in the US yet. I already tried to buy one. Its 500$ to get on a waiting list. [headbang]
You are wrong sir. Back a few pages on this thread, I linked to where I saw one in person (albiet one of the first in the West coast), but they are here now.
Want more proof? This was over 3 weeks ago - http://www.quattroworld.com/audi-news/first-audi-tt-rs-delivered-to-veteran-audi-racer-and-quattroworld-member-don-istook/
rugbylion
08-17-2011, 11:10 AM
You are wrong sir. Back a few pages on this thread, I linked to where I saw one in person (albiet one of the first in the West coast), but they are here now.
Want more proof? This was over 3 weeks ago - http://www.quattroworld.com/audi-news/first-audi-tt-rs-delivered-to-veteran-audi-racer-and-quattroworld-member-don-istook/
I also saw one while driving in the South Bay......Dealer plates.....
Nighthawk
08-17-2011, 01:57 PM
An S4 with a tune and a pulley would likely keep up with or pull on an R8 V8 as well.
No pulley, 91 tune only, but as stated here: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/443586-So-time-for-a-little-praise-to-APR-s-tune!
Summary: I agree. Awesome tune and dynamic mode seems to make a big difference.
Long version:
Met an R8 two weeks back on the highway. I passed as normal, but gave him a thumbs up on the car. He then proceeded to pass me after I pulled in and do a hard acceleration or two. Not knowing much how to differentiate between the different R8s out there, I figured I was in the middle of a 4.5 hour drive and could use some fun so I set up behind him and switched to dynamic. He did several more hard accelerations. Every time I saw that tiny puff of smoke from his exhaust, I jumped on it and pulled him in every time. I was very happy with it.
My thoughts:
- Don't know what year it was
- I assume it was the V8
- It was all highway, some hills, and nothing too twisty with light traffic.
- When I passed him later (after following for about 30-45mins) he just kind of shook his head and didn't look to happy.
- I'd be pissed if I spent over 2x as much on a car that couldn't pull away.
- The R8 is still a beautiful car
- Wish I could have seen how hard he was really driving it. I know it was hard enough to give a small puff, and when he let off the accelerator, he slowed pretty quick without using brakes (I had to pretty much every time) so I assume he was high in the range and pushing it hard.
To clarify, he did the hard pulls showing off first... I just decided to play along [:D]
Keith@APR
08-18-2011, 06:49 AM
I'd be nervous about the clutch holding all that torque. There has to be a reason why Audi tuned the car to only deliver about 350TQ across the revs when it could do 500+.
Simply because the OEM wants a nice flat torque curve through the power band. You have to over size the turbo for it to deliver flat torque leaving a lot for us in the aftermarket to take advantage of. Its why VW Group turbo cars are so awesome to mod.
Anyone else wondering what the mileage of this car will be when the owner takes delivery?
That's pretty much what I took from this story. I'd be all kinds of pissed if that was my car that hadn't been delivered to me yet. Sorry but if that was an employee of the dealership driving that car they should be shitcanned.
richib86
08-18-2011, 07:22 AM
I can't believe so many people buy the turbo 4-bangers! They're still nice cars and they're part of "the family," but no thanks!
its a 5 cylinder and id take it in a heart beat. look up some videos of the mtm tt-rs and see all the cars it smokes...
Stopped by Paul Miller Audi last night to check out the black tt-rs they got in - awesome looking car, would love to grab one if we had the garage space. They also had a matte Suzuka Gray R8 GT on the floor (yours for only $219k!), which was unbelievably awesome looking. Love all the new high end sports cars Audi is bringing to the States; if only the RS3 were available here...
OmaHahn
08-18-2011, 08:32 AM
its a 5 cylinder and id take it in a heart beat. look up some videos of the mtm tt-rs and see all the cars it smokes...
Yes, I know it's a 5, I was referring to all the people with the A4, 2.0.
madmadS4
08-18-2011, 11:38 AM
Pulled out in front of me with dealer plates on. Audi sales guy was driving. They look pretty decent.
We ran onto a wide open toll road (407 for your Toronto folks) and I think he figured he would just take off on me in my S4 but that wasn't the case, we messed around on the highway but I can safely say that a manual S4 with the 93 APR tune pulled on him at will.
They are fast don't get me wrong but from 80kmh to 150kmh I could close on him in 3rd and 4th. The S4 is so strong till redline with the tune. He was flat out. Sound is pretty interesting from that engine and exhaust. Something different for sure
He seemed pretty surprised at the light that I was able to dispatch him.
I'm not one for racing stories but i figured I would share. Anyone else come across one on the roads?http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa472/jbutcher1975/IMG-20110816-00159-1.jpg
Sorry man - I just don't buy it. The dealer was taking it easy.
The TT-RS produces the same amount of power (+/- a few hp) as our car but is 800 lbs lighter. No contest.
81bear
08-18-2011, 12:22 PM
Sorry man - I just don't buy it. The dealer was taking it easy.
The TT-RS produces the same amount of power (+/- a few hp) as our car but is 800 lbs lighter. No contest.
I didn't know they were running 400+hp to the crank! Good to know.
Excelerate
08-18-2011, 12:38 PM
I'm amazed to see how well that TT-RS did against the R8. This vehicle has some real potential, especially with software and an exhaust.
Anthony
08-18-2011, 01:53 PM
Simply because the OEM wants a nice flat torque curve through the power band. You have to over size the turbo for it to deliver flat torque leaving a lot for us in the aftermarket to take advantage of. Its why VW Group turbo cars are so awesome to mod.
This Keith guy sounds like he knows what he's talking about... [;)]
Deep Sea S4
08-18-2011, 05:43 PM
I didn't know they were running 400+hp to the crank! Good to know.
What he said. You missed the part about the s4 having software on it
Modded S4 vs stock TT-RS? Yeah, S4 has a chance. Now mod the TT-RS and it's bye bye S4. As for the R8, I wouldn't be dumb enough to try and drag race any moderately fast car these days with it. (If I wanted to be faster than anyone I would've just bought the GT-R). I'm not upset that there are way cheaper cars that are way faster (like any Mustang with bolt ons), the R8 is fun to drive, and it's just dang nice to look at. :P
A4A4A4
08-20-2011, 04:26 PM
You're preaching to the choir! I posted this because some people were saying the S4 would get smoked by the TT-RS which clearly my posts suggest other-wise. Go S4! I absolutley agree and use the same quote all the time, "no replacement for displacement!!!" I can't believe so many people buy the turbo 4-bangers! They're still nice cars and they're part of "the family," but no thanks!
Hmm your post seems somewhat counter intuitive here. A 3.0L forced induction engine is not seen by most people as a large displacement engine by any stretch of the word, especially as much of its class is powered by larger V8's, as well as it's predecessor. In fact, you just witnessed a 2.5L 5 cylinder and (deductively) a 3.0T pummel what would be considered a large displacement engine in the 4.2L V8.
This thread seems to really only have proven how fantastic the 3.0T engine is truly is and the benefits of forced induction systems, something the 3.2 lacks.
I still want one so bad. TTRS is amazing
OmaHahn
08-23-2011, 07:43 AM
Hmm your post seems somewhat counter intuitive here. A 3.0L forced induction engine is not seen by most people as a large displacement engine by any stretch of the word, especially as much of its class is powered by larger V8's, as well as it's predecessor. In fact, you just witnessed a 2.5L 5 cylinder and (deductively) a 3.0T pummel what would be considered a large displacement engine in the 4.2L V8.
This thread seems to really only have proven how fantastic the 3.0T engine is truly is and the benefits of forced induction systems, something the 3.2 lacks.
You just don't get it! My bone-stock B8 with the 3.2 V6 has more power and faster than a stock B8 with a 4-banger turbo! Therefore, displacement wins. And the 4.2L V8 makes all that power just being a NORMAL engine config! Now can you imagine what would happen if you take that 4.2 and add a turbo or SC like these 3.0 or 2.5? Yes, like I said, displacement is everything! You're not comparing apples to apples here.
joe@vwvortex
08-23-2011, 11:18 AM
In reality - this is just a "Stage III" TT-RS engine. 720hp.
Simple bolt on mods (intake, ECU map and full exhaust with larger downpipe and highflow cats )to the 2.5 engine will easily yield 500hp.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df-yU-g6ljE
Vuel Egham
08-23-2011, 04:21 PM
I think that video is really more telling around how weak the 4.2V8 is. Overrated. Sounds like a wet dream, but overrated.
Brick Oven
08-23-2011, 04:37 PM
In reality - this is just a "Stage III" TT-RS engine. 720hp.
Simple bolt on mods (intake, ECU map and full exhaust with larger downpipe and highflow cats )to the 2.5 engine will easily yield 500hp.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df-yU-g6ljE
[o_o] It's like two dragons having sex in a hurricane.
A4A4A4
08-23-2011, 04:45 PM
You just don't get it! My bone-stock B8 with the 3.2 V6 has more power and faster than a stock B8 with a 4-banger turbo! Therefore, displacement wins. And the 4.2L V8 makes all that power just being a NORMAL engine config! Now can you imagine what would happen if you take that 4.2 and add a turbo or SC like these 3.0 or 2.5? Yes, like I said, displacement is everything! You're not comparing apples to apples here.
Adding forced induction to a N/A engine is not nearly as easy as you're making it out to be, you need deep pockets, extra space, and a lot of patience. Adding a chip to the 2.0T however is easy, cheap and will most certainly make it faster than your 3.2, something that you spent an extra 5 grand upgrading to when you ordered your car.
If your argue to me that you bought the 3.2 for the refinement or the sound I certainly wouldn't fault you for that, but to come in and argue a case for the 3.2 based on performance is a bit ludicrous.
titsavant32
08-23-2011, 04:55 PM
great stuff.....the potential on the ttrs is insane.
NWS4Guy
08-23-2011, 05:13 PM
Adding forced induction to a N/A engine is not nearly as easy as you're making it out to be, you need deep pockets, extra space, and a lot of patience. Adding a chip to the 2.0T however is easy, cheap and will most certainly make it faster than your 3.2, something that you spent an extra 5 grand upgrading to when you ordered your car.
If your argue to me that you bought the 3.2 for the refinement or the sound I certainly wouldn't fault you for that, but to come in and argue a case for the 3.2 based on performance is a bit ludicrous.
You mean an engine has to be designed to accept FI? I can't just throw on a Turbinator like the magazine said and go go go!?
Pworld
08-23-2011, 05:25 PM
Wow at that video!! FIRE FIRE FIRE *beavis voice*
jcmiro
08-24-2011, 06:38 AM
You mean an engine has to be designed to accept FI? I can't just throw on a Turbinator like the magazine said and go go go!?
[:D]
Back in the day when I was a kid in my first car. I attached an RC plane ducted fan unit (22lbs of thrust) to my KN intake...Most definitely screwed something up because the car never ran right after that...I dreamed of porting the speed controller software to the ECU....[wrench]
lol the good old days...