View Full Version : Eibach or H&R sport springs
TMurt
05-09-2011, 05:46 PM
I think I will lower my car sometime soon. I think I'm going to use Koni shocks (I've heard they aren't too harsh for bad roads) but can't decide between Eibach or H&R springs. I know the H&R spings drop about .5 inch lower but can't see that being too noticeable. I only have 17 inch 5 spoke rims (single spoke not split). Any recommendations or picture with 17s?
Here's the car now
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_Xtq0aAuMVPk/TcVjLgN-HxI/AAAAAAAAAE8/1296ut6gX70/s640/NEWER%20023.JPG
BLopes07
05-09-2011, 05:48 PM
ive seen some H&R's on s4's and come out great.
how much of a drop does the koni's provide?
yayjohnny
05-09-2011, 05:52 PM
I believe Strut/Shocks aren't the ones that provide the low. It's the springs.
If you're doing a Spring + Shock combo, I'd rather suggest going COs.
Freedom of height whenever
TMurt
05-09-2011, 05:53 PM
ive seen some H&R's on s4's and come out great.
how much of a drop does the koni's provide?
The Koni kit drops it about 1.2 inches, same as the Eibach springs. The H&R says its drop is about 1.6-1.7
From what I've been reading (as I am looking to upgrade my suspension soon) the H&R springs are stiffer than Eibach's. As for pictures, look into this thread:
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/269492-Suspension-picture-thread-Coilovers-Springs-Air-ride
Adork4
05-09-2011, 06:10 PM
I personally have never used Eibach but I can tell you that I just put on H&Rs on mine and could not be happier.
TMurt
05-09-2011, 06:15 PM
Yeah I don't want to give up too much comfort. I think Eibachs would be ok especially if I moved up to 18s later. Although H&Rs probably look better with the 17s
Operator
05-09-2011, 06:34 PM
I went with a Vogtland Jr. kit (springs&shocks). I recently put on 19's and just knew I'd have to move on to coils, but after putting them on, the need to move to coils has gone away. I like the look, and doubt I'd want it any lower, of course that's all preference but so far the drop seems to be on the money. And the ride comfort has been very smooth. When I has 18's, I went on a canyon run, and the car handled just right!
4RingRook
05-09-2011, 06:42 PM
I have Eibachs. I've been told they're less harsh than H&Rs... I'm happy with the drop and ride.
TMurt
05-09-2011, 06:48 PM
I went with a Vogtland Jr. kit (springs&shocks). I recently put on 19's and just knew I'd have to move on to coils, but after putting them on, the need to move to coils has gone away. I like the look, and doubt I'd want it any lower, of course that's all preference but so far the drop seems to be on the money. And the ride comfort has been very smooth. When I has 18's, I went on a canyon run, and the car handled just right!
See that's what I'm thinking. I'm not a fan of dropping it so far that the wheel wells are touching the tires basically. I just want only and inch or so of gap. That's why I don't think I'll need to get coilovers
TMurt
05-09-2011, 06:49 PM
I have Eibachs. I've been told they're less harsh than H&Rs... I'm happy with the drop and ride.
That seems to be the common idea so far. Which even though its a lesser drop might be good for the conditions. What size rims are you on?
4RingRook
05-09-2011, 06:58 PM
That seems to be the common idea so far. Which even though its a lesser drop might be good for the conditions. What size rims are you on?
Here's a recent picture of my car: 18" OEM S line wheels, OEM Sport Struts, H&R Trak+ 15mm rear / 12mm front spacers.
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i239/jared818/IMAG0002.jpg
Operator
05-09-2011, 07:04 PM
See that's what I'm thinking. I'm not a fan of dropping it so far that the wheel wells are touching the tires basically. I just want only and inch or so of gap. That's why I don't think I'll need to get coilovers
Yeh, I just installed them last Friday morning, so I don't have detailed pics yet. But the drop is just about spot on. And I was honestly already looking at coils and prepped to buy them over the weekend, but thus far, I don't think I need too.
stevo909
05-09-2011, 07:06 PM
I installed my H&R springs last week, with 19in wheels, looks perfect to me. Ride hasnt changed at all in my opinion. Very happy = me. I have an 07 S-line dolphin grey ti.
TMurt
05-09-2011, 07:25 PM
Here's a recent picture of my car: 18" OEM S line wheels, OEM Sport Struts, H&R Trak+ 15mm rear / 12mm front spacers.
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i239/jared818/IMAG0002.jpg
That looks perfect. 18's would definetely look better than my 17s but that change will be down the road somewhere haha
Thanks for the pic, really helpful
TMurt
05-09-2011, 07:26 PM
Yeh, I just installed them last Friday morning, so I don't have detailed pics yet. But the drop is just about spot on. And I was honestly already looking at coils and prepped to buy them over the weekend, but thus far, I don't think I need too.
I've seen about half the people say that you'll regret not getting coilovers and the rest saying they are fine with spring/shocks. I guess it just depends how much you like to adjust your car
TMurt
05-09-2011, 07:27 PM
Looks like Eibach seem to be the common choice and the less harsh ride with plenty of drop it looks like. Thanks guys!
two.0
05-09-2011, 08:24 PM
Just dropped my car about 2 weeks ago, went with H&R Springs and Bilistein Struts, ride is firm but not too harsh with arount a 2 inch drop all around (looks beautiful), keep in mind that the springs will settle as well over time.
There is a sticky for this...
TMurt
05-10-2011, 04:06 AM
There is a sticky for this...
I did read that but this was more about the ride than anything else. Getting personal opinions rather than just looking at drop height numbers
Inked
05-10-2011, 06:12 AM
There is a sticky for this...
reading through the posts I was wondering when someone would say this....been covered 1,000 times.just search.
I have driven in both. I have seen both. Looks wise, H&R does the trick. Eibach has a more oem feel and isn't as harsh. It kind of sits like a b6 A4, not high but not low.
If I had an A4 again, I would go with Eibach instead of H&R.
yayjohnny
05-10-2011, 11:16 AM
I'm currently deciding between springs too. Eibach vs H&R vs Neuspeed.
I want a smooth ride as well so I guess Eibach gots that, but then the drop is only 1.2". I want something thats like.. 1.5"-1.7"
:S
So hard to decide
TMurt
05-10-2011, 03:05 PM
I'm currently deciding between springs too. Eibach vs H&R vs Neuspeed.
I want a smooth ride as well so I guess Eibach gots that, but then the drop is only 1.2". I want something thats like.. 1.5"-1.7"
:S
So hard to decide
Yeah that 1.6 range pushes you into the H&R springs. It seems like an even split between what people say is better. I'm sure I'd be happy with both.
TMurt
05-10-2011, 03:06 PM
I got a quote today and they said $1600 for parts and installation!!!!! I've found the parts for a total of 800 online. So that means they want 800 for installation not including alignment?
Operator
05-10-2011, 03:14 PM
My Vogtland Jr. kit installed was less than half that.
TMurt
05-10-2011, 03:18 PM
My Vogtland Jr. kit installed was less than half that.
I mean I was expecting $300-$400 for installation. It seems like they're either getting the koni shocks for 800 total and the springs for 400 or trying to rip me off
yayjohnny
05-10-2011, 03:19 PM
Is vogtland jr kit a spring + shock combo?
Hmm I plan on doing the springs myself.
Operator
05-10-2011, 03:36 PM
Yes the Vogtland Jr. kit is a spring/shock combo. I think a site sponsor might have them for sale too.
yayjohnny
05-10-2011, 03:50 PM
I mean I was expecting $300-$400 for installation. It seems like they're either getting the koni shocks for 800 total and the springs for 400 or trying to rip me off
Seems like they're trying to rip you off. Should be roughly 300-400 for installation
Operator, do you know which site sponsor?
Operator
05-10-2011, 04:08 PM
Operator, do you know which site sponsor?
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/418449-ACHTUNING-Vogtland-Spring-Sale!?highlight=vogtland
Cheaper than what I bought it for, if I remember correctly. That is if Cup Kit = Vogtland Jr. kit. Best bet is to just call and find out.
Operator
05-10-2011, 04:11 PM
Though this is a different deal, I believe it's the same as my kit, minus the wheels and spacers: http://shop.achtuning.com/Vogtland-Cup-Kit-Wheels-and-Spacer-Combo.aspx
This is the lowest Vogtland Jr Kit price I've found and with free shipping. This link is for FWD though.
http://www.ultrarev.com/960008-vl.html
By the way, what I usually do to find low prices is google the part (i.e. Eibach Pro Springs) and the car (Audi A4). I get a bunch of links to stores that are never mentioned on Audizine. This same website that has the Vogtland Jr kit also sells the Eibach springs for $248. I think TireRack sells them for less. Buy the parts online unless a shop is welling to match the cheapest prices you find.
yayjohnny
05-10-2011, 04:46 PM
This is the lowest Vogtland Jr Kit price I've found and with free shipping. This link is for FWD though.
http://www.ultrarev.com/960008-vl.html
http://www.ultrarev.com/960011-vl.html
Seems like the one for Quattro whether avant or not.
TMurt
05-10-2011, 04:54 PM
By the way, what I usually do to find low prices is google the part (i.e. Eibach Pro Springs) and the car (Audi A4). I get a bunch of links to stores that are never mentioned on Audizine. This same website that has the Vogtland Jr kit also sells the Eibach springs for $248. I think TireRack sells them for less. Buy the parts online unless a shop is welling to match the cheapest prices you find.
Thats exactly what I did and the total would be around 800 after shipping. However, the place a talked to refused to installed client bought parts. I half expected that after hearing that quote though haha
yayjohnny
05-10-2011, 04:57 PM
Hmmmm! MJM is selling a bunch of springs for cheaper than tirerack. and free shipping too.
Eibach for $229.
H&R for $239
Neuspeed for $199
I think I'm pretty much decided upon a mild drop with smooth ride, the Eibachs.
Thats exactly what I did and the total would be around 800 after shipping. However, the place a talked to refused to installed client bought parts. I half expected that after hearing that quote though haha
When a shop refuses to install parts brought in by you then most likely they will rip you off. They mark up the product price and add a little to their labor and there you go. Go to a different store and try to get the best quote for labor. Suspension installation is nothing special, so it doesn't even have to be the most reputable shop. Any good shop will be able to do it. And with this economy, you'll find someone who's desperate [:D]
The two stores I always look at are www.namotorsports.net and www.mjmautohaus.com
They always have good prices compared to others.
Operator
05-10-2011, 05:05 PM
This is the lowest Vogtland Jr Kit price I've found and with free shipping. This link is for FWD though.
http://www.ultrarev.com/960008-vl.html
The link I posted is $427 with a quote of $30 shipping = total $457
Operator
05-10-2011, 05:05 PM
Hmmmm! MJM is selling a bunch of springs for cheaper than tirerack. and free shipping too.
Eibach for $229.
H&R for $249 (standard price)
Neuspeed for $199
I think I'm pretty much decided upon a mild drop with smooth ride, the Eibachs.
At least grab some shocks too, whomever you fecide to go with. I'm all for saving a buck, but I'd do springs/shocks even if they came from different companies.
Operator
05-10-2011, 05:08 PM
Thats exactly what I did and the total would be around 800 after shipping. However, the place a talked to refused to installed client bought parts. I half expected that after hearing that quote though haha
Find a tuner shop, i.e. a place that is a APR, REVO, GIAC, Unitronic dealer, as they will also normally be able to handle suspension. Also post in your regional section, as you might find a member that can do it, or a member that has friends in the modding industry, that might be able to help you out.
TMurt
05-10-2011, 05:12 PM
When a shop refuses to install parts brought in by you then most likely they will rip you off. They mark up the product price and add a little to their labor and there you go. Go to a different store and try to get the best quote for labor. Suspension installation is nothing special, so it doesn't even have to be the most reputable shop. Any good shop will be able to do it. And with this economy, you'll find someone who's desperate [:D]
I'll try some others like you said, I was disappointed because we've taken our out of warranty German cars there several times but I guess its time to look somewhere new. Do you think that a $400 instal should include alignment? They quotes $135 for the alignment at the place that is a rip off.
TMurt
05-10-2011, 05:14 PM
Find a tuner shop, i.e. a place that is a APR, REVO, GIAC, Unitronic dealer, as they will also normally be able to handle suspension. Also post in your regional section, as you might find a member that can do it, or a member that has friends in the modding industry, that might be able to help you out.
Thanks for the tip, I'll give it a try. Not sure how much luck I'll have in Indiana haha. I've only seen 2 lowered A4s so far but won't hurt to try.
yayjohnny
05-10-2011, 05:14 PM
Vogtland seems to be a legit option for spring + shocks!
yayjohnny
05-10-2011, 05:15 PM
At least grab some shocks too, whomever you fecide to go with. I'm all for saving a buck, but I'd do springs/shocks even if they came from different companies.
Yeah .. I wanna try comboing the Eibachs with my stock sport suspension cuz I'm real tight on my budget at the moment. and I guess if all goes wrong, I'll pick up some shocks later on
Vogtland seems to be a legit option for spring + shocks!
Yeah. For me it's basically down to either the Vogtland Jr kit or a Eibach Pro springs/Koni yellow combo. It all depends on how the stock market treats me this month
mikebo212
05-10-2011, 06:36 PM
http://i966.photobucket.com/albums/ae142/mikebo212/DSC_0064.jpg
im dropped on Neuspeed race springs/ Bilstein Sports if the picture helps...
yayjohnny
05-10-2011, 06:39 PM
http://i966.photobucket.com/albums/ae142/mikebo212/DSC_0064.jpg
im dropped on Neuspeed race springs/ Bilstein Sports if the picture helps..
I'm concerned that the race springs are too much of a drop for me. 2.0" YAOOZAH
Maybe the sport springs. 1.5"
And I guess the $30 dollar difference between Neuspeed and Eibachs can go towards B5 Lowering Caps ... argh so hard to decide
mikebo212
05-10-2011, 06:41 PM
I'm concerned that the race springs are too much of a drop for me. 2.0" YAOOZAH
Maybe the sport springs. 1.5"
And I guess the $30 dollar difference between Neuspeed and Eibachs can go towards B5 Lowering Caps ... argh so hard to decide
your actually very right, if you dont want that much of a drop id deff go with the Eibachs and B5 caps since that combo would still not be as low as the Neuspeeds...
highlandarx
05-11-2011, 11:32 AM
http://i966.photobucket.com/albums/ae142/mikebo212/DSC_0064.jpg
im dropped on Neuspeed race springs/ Bilstein Sports if the picture helps...
lol is that at short hills mall?
mikebo212
05-11-2011, 11:43 AM
Nah its cherry hill mall in south jersey
WalkerT
05-11-2011, 12:14 PM
I have Eibach pro kit on 18's. I love the ride and the drop.
http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/Side28.jpg
Rahbey
05-11-2011, 12:31 PM
http://i966.photobucket.com/albums/ae142/mikebo212/DSC_0064.jpg
im dropped on Neuspeed race springs/ Bilstein Sports if the picture helps...
^^b5 caps on that? Doesn't look like it but the picture could be deceiving, just curious.
TMurt
05-11-2011, 12:59 PM
I have Eibach pro kit on 18's. I love the ride and the drop.
http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/Side28.jpg
hmm it seems like 18s would make up for the difference in drop between the eibachs and H&Rs. That drop looks perfect imo. I think I'll go with eibachs and eventually up it to 18s when I need to tires in year or so.
yayjohnny
05-11-2011, 02:41 PM
My setup is going to be almost like that!
Matte black rs4 reps on 18s. Except I currently have red accent center caps and lug bolt caps
mikebo212
05-11-2011, 08:29 PM
^^b5 caps on that? Doesn't look like it but the picture could be deceiving, just curious.
Nope, no b5 caps on... soon though, or i might pull the trigger and get the ecs coils for the front
DrivTech
05-12-2011, 05:05 AM
I got a quote today and they said $1600 for parts and installation!!!!! I've found the parts for a total of 800 online. So that means they want 800 for installation not including alignment?
Wow that's way too much. If you lived in So. Cal. - I'd be able to get you a Vogtland Jr. Spring/Shock Kit with install and alignment for $675.
hsuray1986
05-12-2011, 12:08 PM
are we all talking about Eibach pro kit vs H&R sport here?
TMurt
05-12-2011, 01:21 PM
Wow that's way too much. If you lived in So. Cal. - I'd be able to get you a Vogtland Jr. Spring/Shock Kit with install and alignment for $675.
Oh if I had a choice I would live there haha. I got another quote from a shop that installs client bought parts that said 400 for install. plus 700 for parts so it will be 1100. I'll keep checking but that beats 1600 for sure
TMurt
05-12-2011, 01:22 PM
are we all talking about Eibach pro kit vs H&R sport here?
For the most part. There have been some neuspeed and Vogtland coments too
crazytex21
05-12-2011, 01:37 PM
i love my neuspeed race springs. they make the car look sick. i am running 19" wheels and my car looks super sexy.
yayjohnny
05-13-2011, 07:59 AM
i love my neuspeed race springs. they make the car look sick. i am running 19" wheels and my car looks super sexy.
But hows the ride? Then again, your opinion might be biased since you love your springs and are running them
TMurt
05-13-2011, 02:05 PM
^^^ I'm sure its a lot more firm but if you live somewhere where the roads don't get destroyed in the winter it would be fine I think. Unfortunately I have a few roads which have been repeatedly patched (badly) and its awful in our TT which gives some idea to what new springs could feel like
Chr1sJohnson
06-03-2011, 05:38 PM
Does anyone have a picture of the H&R Sport Springs? Is 1.7 inches too much of a drop? I want it to look like a factory Rs4 drop, should I go to Eibach's Pro-Kit instead? Which is only 1.2?
TMurt
06-03-2011, 06:20 PM
Does anyone have a picture of the H&R Sport Springs? Is 1.7 inches too much of a drop? I want it to look like a factory Rs4 drop, should I go to Eibach's Pro-Kit instead? Which is only 1.2?
From all the pics I've seen, Eibachs with a set of 18's or 19's will look close to an RS4 drop
yayjohnny
06-03-2011, 08:21 PM
So TMurt, what setup did you end up getting?
I got H&R + Bilsteins. Not sure when I'll install them though. Most likely will tackle it myself ^^
TMurt
06-03-2011, 08:31 PM
Have'nt made a move yet, just got the windows tinted though. I'm having trouble justifying the springs because I'll have to leave the car for a year anyways for freshmen year of college. And there is no gurantee I will be able to have it at all depending on what school I end up at. There's just a lot up in the air. I don't want to blow 1200 dollars and then only use the car for 1 year. If I do make a move, It will be in the next month. If not, then it looks like it won't happen.
But I did decide that if I do go ahead with it, I'll get Eibachs and Koni Sports. I'll keep that .5 inch that the H&Rs would take away to avoid scapring it on parking blocks and my driveway
Let me know how you like the H&Rs though!