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NOTORIOUS VR
04-02-2011, 04:15 PM
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Well today is the day things start to happen....

Started @ 2pm.... working by myself, so I'm taking it slow since I never pulled a motor from an S4 before... RONDAL's thread has been my goto thread for pics of tricky situations like the damn AC compressor [facepalm], took me almost an hour to find the 3rd bolt in the rear, but after that it's been pretty smooth...

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TZeqln-n2bI/AAAAAAAAALc/OasNYxW33iM/s720/2011-04-02%2013.44.38.jpg

Front end is off...

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TZeqheV481I/AAAAAAAAALU/140-1kG-LSY/s720/2011-04-02%2014.51.59.jpg

Damn AC compressor finally out...

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TZeqd8wmN7I/AAAAAAAAALQ/FJgsfRxkgrM/s720/2011-04-02%2018.26.26.jpg

The engine harness all pulled and such form the firewall and tied to the top of the motor... Power steering, fuel and evap lines all disconnected as well.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TZeqWiMWHwI/AAAAAAAAALI/yD79EPN3wmY/s720/2011-04-02%2018.27.05.jpg

at that point did a few more small things like disconnected the heater core, took out the axle bolts from the hubs... and then decided it was break time and went to get a good old Combo #1 from McD's.... and create this thread...

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TZeszJTwxqI/AAAAAAAAALo/lGCrQfyD4DU/s720/2011-04-02%2019.09.10.jpg

Next up, get the axles out completely then drop the exhaust from the DP's and drop the drive shaft, shift linkage and loosen all the mounts. Hopefully by then I'll be able to lift the motor and pull it out a bit to get the slave and anything else in the way out and get the motor out onto a pallet by tonight. Might have to wait till a buddy will come by for that not sure if I feel like risking to break anything by trying to pull the motor on my own.

csosnowski
04-02-2011, 04:23 PM
looks good man, keep the photos comin. always love a good engine pull/build thread. keeps me inspired.

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Fiyacracka
04-02-2011, 04:34 PM
Where in toronto are you doing this??? Sounds exciting!

Reich
04-02-2011, 04:49 PM
Looks good notorious. That's good news. Keep the updates.

gearhead1186
04-02-2011, 04:56 PM
excellent. subscribed.

RusS4
04-02-2011, 05:06 PM
I have the same setup you have and you are going to love it man. It pulls like a freight train just off the base tune. Whose fueling kit did you go with. I went with EPL and it is going great.

michael66899
04-02-2011, 05:07 PM
Looks like fun, should be sweet set up. Are you going to tune it all yourself? Also I wouldn't worry too much about actually pulling the motor out yourself, there isn't too much you can mess up. I've done it numerous times, in and out by myself no problem.

NOTORIOUS VR
04-02-2011, 05:09 PM
Where in toronto are you doing this??? Sounds exciting!

Mississauga... Dixe/Derry area.

Minor update since I have to clean up my hands and replace the broken gloves before dropping the shifter... it's like real time updates LOL

Exhaust is out, and Drive shaft is disconnected....

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TZe5qsP1ZkI/AAAAAAAAAL0/s2F5XT2KPro/s720/2011-04-02%2020.04.01.jpg
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TZe5teQEbkI/AAAAAAAAAL8/OSuKqiBfQk8/s720/2011-04-02%2020.03.42.jpg

Time to go drop the shifter and undo the axles from the tranny... tune in for more updates [:)]

NOTORIOUS VR
04-02-2011, 05:10 PM
I have the same setup you have and you are going to love it man. It pulls like a freight train just off the base tune. Whose fueling kit did you go with. I went with EPL and it is going great.

I'll be self-tuning actually


Looks like fun, should be sweet set up. Are you going to tune it all yourself? Also I wouldn't worry too much about actually pulling the motor out yourself, there isn't too much you can mess up. I've done it numerous times, in and out by myself no problem.

Yeah, but I'll be using a forklift so a little more finesse will be required.... We'll see how I feel about it lol.

RONDAL
04-02-2011, 06:27 PM
NICE!
glad to hear i can help.

if you have questions shoot me a PM

NOTORIOUS VR
04-02-2011, 07:36 PM
Out she comes!

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TZfbqgvssyI/AAAAAAAAAMM/nJTSy-immZk/s720/2011-04-02%2022.14.21.jpg
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TZfbv_yeRAI/AAAAAAAAAMY/0gRJQe2b36U/s720/2011-04-02%2022.13.54.jpg
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TZfbtKD8atI/AAAAAAAAAMU/XmT8Tqm1_aE/s720/2011-04-02%2022.14.04.jpg

Safe and sound..

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TZfboGIaVHI/AAAAAAAAAMI/DjR4qIl8tfU/s720/2011-04-02%2022.25.57.jpg
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TZfblwr-ZNI/AAAAAAAAAME/1k_AKwvc9jY/s720/2011-04-02%2022.27.45.jpg

tosh2.7
04-02-2011, 07:48 PM
looking good

Angular
04-02-2011, 08:45 PM
Started @ 2pm.... working by myself, so I'm taking it slow since I never pulled a motor from an S4 before... RONDAL's thread has been my goto thread for pics of tricky situations like the damn AC compressor

That is absolutely my plan for next month when I start ripping apart my S4. Now I have a feeling I'll be referencing this thread as well. [:)]

For taking it slow, you're making incredible progress! Nice work. [up]

RONDAL
04-02-2011, 08:45 PM
i wish i had a forklift..........and a heated shop

Vegas34
04-02-2011, 09:00 PM
looks good man, keep the photos comin. always love a good engine pull/build thread. keeps me inspired.

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Ditto, I need to do it soon and threads like this help my shitty motivation to be less shitty. Looks good man

bigern45
04-02-2011, 09:46 PM
bro, youve bragged for so long about your hot stage 2 setup. im so happy to see you ready to go stage 3. im so prepped to see the outcome. gl..

yuriy
04-02-2011, 09:51 PM
Nice, looking forward to seeing the finished product.
Ive seen you around a few times, beautiful car man.

TN99
04-02-2011, 09:58 PM
Starting this exact same build this week, will be referring to this thread as well/shoot you some questions if they arise.

NOTORIOUS VR
04-02-2011, 10:09 PM
Last update for the day.... tomorrow it's back to business though!

Driver side turbo out:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TZf_oPabmgI/AAAAAAAAAM4/iinICQlwVHo/s720/2011-04-03%2000.20.30.jpg

DS Turdbo (actually still looks good and no excessive play:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TZf_lFwQEHI/AAAAAAAAAM0/yMkxh7HUve8/s512/2011-04-03%2000.20.44.jpg

As RONDAL said, you will be cursing every known word to get this stupid 19mm out... agghhhhh!!!

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TZf_iknfTlI/AAAAAAAAAMw/q6NnFI5r6hI/s512/2011-04-03%2000.54.08.jpg

Passenger side out:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TZf_c9tYpJI/AAAAAAAAAMk/Q5FNGuPbOgw/s720/2011-04-03%2001.01.13.jpg

PS Turdbo (also looks good with no play):

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TZf_fu30tOI/AAAAAAAAAMo/ak4kXy2MQKI/s720/2011-04-03%2001.00.58.jpg

I have no idea why my turbo(s) sounded like they did, they really seem fine in regards to play and all the fins are there with little to no chipping... strange... but on to bigger and better things!

NOTORIOUS VR
04-02-2011, 10:12 PM
That is absolutely my plan for next month when I start ripping apart my S4. Now I have a feeling I'll be referencing this thread as well. [:)]

For taking it slow, you're making incredible progress! Nice work. [up]

I'm not doing too many detailed steps because if you really need help RONDAL's thread is pretty much all you will need along with some common sense and patience.



i wish i had a forklift..........and a heated shop

Yeah I hear ya, working in a cold garage is no fun. Been there done that many times, so I feel your pain man!


bro, youve bragged for so long about your hot stage 2 setup. im so happy to see you ready to go stage 3. im so prepped to see the outcome. gl..

hehehe... well I had to be proud of what I had... but now it's time to show what a 2.7T can really do [:)]

RONDAL
04-02-2011, 10:19 PM
some of these pictures take me back haha.

god those bolts SUCK

judeisnotobscur
04-02-2011, 11:28 PM
You are so lucky, access to a shop and forklift. I have a dirt driveway and i hate rolling around in the dirt.
good luck.

mikehawk666
04-02-2011, 11:39 PM
making great time, good luck should be a beast.

Dutchsider
04-02-2011, 11:41 PM
Nice work Notorious. You get things done quick. Detailed pics certainly aren't necessary as Rondal's thread is hard to top. The forklift lift certainly is interesting. Have fun cleaning up all of those heat shields and the bay :)

JackalS4
04-03-2011, 12:29 AM
Very nice - good luck with everything! [up]

philly-s4
04-03-2011, 04:30 AM
This looks awesome!!! Good luck and can't wait to see more updates.

CONTROL ONE
04-03-2011, 05:24 AM
NVR, I'm surprised you are going Stage III, you had one of the strongest Stg II+ cars out there.

I guess this means you aren't selling any more?

What's your ETA for this? I'll be in Mississauga next Sunday if you are still at it.

Ribbie
04-03-2011, 06:08 AM
Hmmm, this might require a trip to the GTA to see a Tial 605 car. Good job, sounds like a relatively painless process.

Are you using the Maestro software to tune?

AudiSportB5S4
04-03-2011, 06:25 AM
Nice man, good luck with the project.. Can't wait to see your results.

How many miles on your engine?

tosh2.7
04-03-2011, 06:57 AM
I'll be self-tuning actually

I really cant wait to see the number you pull out of your ass with your tune on theses babies. GL meng

NOTORIOUS VR
04-03-2011, 07:12 AM
NVR, I'm surprised you are going Stage III, you had one of the strongest Stg II+ cars out there.

I guess this means you aren't selling any more?

What's your ETA for this? I'll be in Mississauga next Sunday if you are still at it.

Don't be surprised... Stage II will only hold you off so long until you get the itch [evilsmile]

I pulled the car off the market a long time ago when I realized that all I was going to do is give away my car that is really clean and needs nothing and buy someone elses headache lol.


Hmmm, this might require a trip to the GTA to see a Tial 605 car. Good job, sounds like a relatively painless process.

Are you using the Maestro software to tune?

Nope... pure tuning with WinOLS or tunerpro.


Nice man, good luck with the project.. Can't wait to see your results.

How many miles on your engine?

Under 93k Miles on the engine/chassis.


I really cant wait to see the number you pull out of your ass with your tune on theses babies. GL meng

Once I fully break in the clutch and get my tune some what dialed in I will hop on the dyno for all to see [:)]

Audi_S4
04-03-2011, 07:15 AM
Good luck with the build! Looks like you know what your doing !

Pm'd you [;)]

DiscoPotato
04-03-2011, 07:15 AM
Those 19mm bolts can go to hell!!!

NOTORIOUS VR
04-03-2011, 07:25 AM
Good luck with the build! Looks like you know what your doing !

Pm'd you [;)]

Replied


Those 19mm bolts can go to hell!!!

Yes, yes they can. How my friend changed his K03's for K04's without taking the motor out after seeing what kind of f*$kery is needed to get that one bolt out is boggling my mind.

DonnieDark0
04-03-2011, 07:46 AM
this thread is awesome! dude goodluck and the progress looks great! Bookmarked along with RONDALS thread.

CONTROL ONE
04-03-2011, 08:07 AM
How do you like that new Molson beer? Saw it on sale at the Beer Store on Friday.

NOTORIOUS VR
04-03-2011, 08:42 AM
Molson M is actually very good... smooth and doesn't bloat you

RONDAL
04-03-2011, 09:53 AM
im loving the M

s4nicetry
04-03-2011, 10:09 AM
Interesting to see you dropped the whole shifter box, saves you from the PITA of realigning everything though. You should replace the spider hose while everything is out if you haven't already and double and triple check all the turbo's fittings are torqued down before you drop the engine back in. Looks good though just take your time and it will all work out nicely, and polish up that engine bay.[:)]

flyingfish2626
04-03-2011, 11:16 AM
Good luck with the build....Tial 605's FTW!

NOTORIOUS VR
04-03-2011, 11:30 AM
Today's updates are brought to you by.... Molson M & Utopia London House....

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TZi7pEmP9vI/AAAAAAAAAOM/17j-z1MTPIg/s512/2011-04-03%2014.24.26.jpg

Tranny's off... dry and clean so I'm happy:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TZi7muDmaHI/AAAAAAAAAOE/iLOD9gV1DQE/s720/2011-04-03%2014.06.38.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TZi7jzyXtzI/AAAAAAAAAOA/gM7xvSvcbww/s720/2011-04-03%2014.06.46.jpg

Clutch, FW, and PP off:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TZi7hRthZCI/AAAAAAAAAN8/fPx9EVOpk9o/s720/2011-04-03%2014.21.45.jpg
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TZi7em_2pmI/AAAAAAAAAN4/hGnpsHOc0pM/s720/2011-04-03%2014.21.56.jpg
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TZi7bSmC6wI/AAAAAAAAANw/mKWYBpI5TgA/s720/2011-04-03%2014.22.18.jpg
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TZi7YmqHRHI/AAAAAAAAANs/aipJbrXaQW8/s720/2011-04-03%2014.22.29.jpg

Rear main looks good and new so I ain't touching that.. this motor is in great shape!

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TZi7V1N6CLI/AAAAAAAAANo/oHF5H5CIpe0/s720/2011-04-03%2014.22.42.jpg

NOTORIOUS VR
04-03-2011, 11:34 AM
Interesting to see you dropped the whole shifter box, saves you from the PITA of realigning everything though. You should replace the spider hose while everything is out if you haven't already and double and triple check all the turbo's fittings are torqued down before you drop the engine back in. Looks good though just take your time and it will all work out nicely, and polish up that engine bay.[:)]

I will inspect the spider hose to see if it is damaged in any way, but I probably won't be replacing it... Everything on this motor is in really good shape, plus if it does decide to break eventually I will design something else.

Yeah the engine bay will get some loving too for sure.

J-b5
04-03-2011, 11:46 AM
how much oil was in the spider assembly?

NOTORIOUS VR
04-03-2011, 12:15 PM
how much oil was in the spider assembly?

Nada... All of the intake plumbing and turbo boost pipes had no oil, just a very light film on the walls actually.

NOTORIOUS VR
04-03-2011, 01:07 PM
Alright, update time...

Spider hose out in one piece...

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TZjMa16cCWI/AAAAAAAAAOw/-oMYkfD0dVY/s720/2011-04-03%2014.55.19.jpg

Old junk:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TZjMYJeCWzI/AAAAAAAAAOs/t7E3WW-JYWE/s720/2011-04-03%2015.09.57.jpg

Old junk removed from (went very well actually, only took about 10 min to get everything out):

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TZjMU0soNBI/AAAAAAAAAOk/BxI-3Oj_Ldo/s720/2011-04-03%2015.10.07.jpg

Passenger side engine mount modification and trimming of the tab on the coolant line:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TZjMPScDzkI/AAAAAAAAAOc/AmArNmK-Ilc/s720/2011-04-03%2015.35.22.jpg

Tools of choice:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TZjMSF4ARpI/AAAAAAAAAOg/HqOJUjedaE4/s720/2011-04-03%2015.35.05.jpg

Did a test fit of the PS turbo and inlet, wasn't happy with the fitment so took it off again and went back at the mount with the angle grinder now that I know where to grind. Final result of mount:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TZjSCxqvPyI/AAAAAAAAAPE/El7nLGRmT4A/s720/2011-04-03%2015.55.51.jpg

Test fit the beautiful TiAL turbos and pipes once again and be happy with the results:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TZjR_-3i2MI/AAAAAAAAAO8/DUU9CbQtX8U/s720/2011-04-03%2015.58.38.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TZjR9I4aJjI/AAAAAAAAAO4/Q8KfpwnZDaA/s720/2011-04-03%2015.58.45.jpg

Intermission time... time to feed the belly...

Jurjen
04-03-2011, 01:11 PM
Nice progress so far!

What clutch are you going with?

Once you get it up and running the way you want, I think we should call Spa and get together for some friendly runs :)

Also, was thinking about organizing a Dyno Day for the middle-end of May, so we could get some same-day, same-dyno results :)

NOTORIOUS VR
04-03-2011, 01:43 PM
Nice progress so far!

What clutch are you going with?

Thanks!

I have a Stage 4 (hybrid disc feramic/organic) Southbend with the upgraded Sachs race PP which will be mated to a steel single mass flywheel from TTV Racing:

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TZTvPmeqOLI/AAAAAAAAAKA/siXADY-B-eQ/s800/2011-03-31%2017.14.34.jpg


Once you get it up and running the way you want, I think we should call Spa and get together for some friendly runs :)

Also, was thinking about organizing a Dyno Day for the middle-end of May, so we could get some same-day, same-dyno results :)

I'm game [:)]

jasonsowers
04-03-2011, 02:28 PM
Any reason you didn't do rods?

Looks good.

WMi_S4
04-03-2011, 02:54 PM
Any reason you didn't do rods?

Looks good.

Because it is another $3k maybe? Now that I am getting into my GT build, I am really wishing I just stuck with RS6s.

NOTORIOUS VR
04-03-2011, 03:49 PM
So did a little spring cleaning under the DS part of the motor, it was covered in caked on oil from my previously leaking cam seals, etc... Nothing crazy it's not a show car but it's nice to be able to touch stuff without getting covered in muck all the time.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TZj1UyF6AiI/AAAAAAAAAPo/stetoVzIV8Y/s720/2011-04-03%2018.17.25.jpg

Then off to modifying the DS mount, did a little more then necessary but I'd rather have more clearance then too little:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TZj1YmjwEII/AAAAAAAAAPs/4Ao5wW2ATEs/s720/2011-04-03%2018.17.07.jpg

Fitment of inlet pipe on DS:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TZj1bgX9JlI/AAAAAAAAAP0/RrI92Z_BG_Q/s720/2011-04-03%2018.16.39.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TZj1elfgrWI/AAAAAAAAAP4/9GSdfhJgA0U/s720/2011-04-03%2018.16.22.jpg

Then I decided to put the Y-pipe on and connect both of the inlets and fasten the Y-pipe into place so I can get an idea of where to weld on the tabs to secure the inlets to the original spots on the head. I really wish TiAL would have done this already and then cut the pipe in two. I seen someone do that in another build thread and it only makes sense as it's going to be a real PITA to remove/move the inlets if you need to so some servicing later if they're one piece.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TZj1IBPfiNI/AAAAAAAAAQI/hFlxDRwi0pM/s512/2011-04-03%2018.27.36.jpg
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TZj1RikL9KI/AAAAAAAAAPk/IFL5SxtibGg/s720/2011-04-03%2018.26.18.jpg
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TZj1ERzeXII/AAAAAAAAAPQ/Try3PFBFwMQ/s720/2011-04-03%2018.27.58.jpg

Starting to loose steam though and I have a lot of cleaning up to do so that the shop doesn't look like a war zone on Monday. Need to keep people happy [;)]

Engine bay cleaning will probably happen during the week sometime along with getting the tabs welded to the inlets.

Next weekend it will be back to finishing up the lines and making all the connections, getting the clutch kit installed and hopefully the motor back in and a few things buttoned up before the day is over on Sunday. [wrench]

drkenan
04-03-2011, 07:53 PM
Awesome work man! This thread takes me back and also makes me seriously regret selling my car. I also did my Stage 3 swap by myself except it took much longer.

034Motorsport
04-04-2011, 09:10 AM
Then I decided to put the Y-pipe on and connect both of the inlets and fasten the Y-pipe into place so I can get an idea of where to weld on the tabs to secure the inlets to the original spots on the head. I really wish TiAL would have done this already and then cut the pipe in two. I seen someone do that in another build thread and it only makes sense as it's going to be a real PITA to remove/move the inlets if you need to so some servicing later if they're one piece.[wrench]

Its not as bad as you think Notorious. Since the inlets attach to the compressor via a slip on o-ring, you can rotate them out of the way to do valve covers. Not easy, but its not super terrible.

Keep up the good work!

gearhead1186
04-04-2011, 09:33 AM
Its not as bad as you think Notorious. Since the inlets attach to the compressor via a slip on o-ring, you can rotate them out of the way to do valve covers. Not easy, but its not super terrible.

Keep up the good work!

yea, the pass side is cake since you have more room to swing. the driver side requires some finesse but Ive done it multiple times.

NOTORIOUS VR
04-04-2011, 10:03 AM
Its not as bad as you think Notorious. Since the inlets attach to the compressor via a slip on o-ring, you can rotate them out of the way to do valve covers. Not easy, but its not super terrible.

Keep up the good work!

Hey thanks guys! I didn't even think about it that way to be honest!

Also is it just me or are the inlets coated on the outside? Mine look like they are?

RONDAL
04-04-2011, 10:32 AM
I think they are powder coated or painted silver.

NOTORIOUS VR
04-04-2011, 11:12 AM
I think they are powder coated or painted silver.

It almost looks like a ceramic coating to me...

If they're not I'm thinking of getting the pipes coated to keep some of the heat away coming from the exhaust manifolds

julex
04-04-2011, 11:43 AM
Hey thanks guys! I didn't even think about it that way to be honest!

Also is it just me or are the inlets coated on the outside? Mine look like they are?

I would (and will) still cut mine in half and use silicone coupler when time comes to commence my own install. I am extremely iffy about rotating inlets and having a very real possibility of breaking o-ring or dislodging the inlet while doing this. I like your idea of welding on tabs, I think Tial cheaped out on this.

spa
04-04-2011, 12:28 PM
Awesome, you're making great progress!

RONDAL
04-04-2011, 12:42 PM
Adding a silicone coupler in the inlet is simply one more spot for a leak and failure. Honestly its not difficult accessing things like the valve cover and coilpacks. people make it out to be much worse than it really is, i think simply ebcause they have never used them and its pure speculation

Haenszel20v
04-04-2011, 12:47 PM
is it a v-band style clamp like on the tial MVS's and v44's at the turbo inlet? If so there's no way its going to rotate without loosening it.

NOTORIOUS VR
04-04-2011, 01:05 PM
^^^The inlets just slip on the compressor housing.


Ordered a few things from Audi today... new turbo crush o-rings, new DP gaskets, flywheel bolts, and both coolant hoses going to the oil cooler (they were really squishy/soft from the oil leaking all over them).

Some time this week I will clean the engine bay, and start assembling the clutch/FW and leave the turbo oil/coolant lines for Sat, and hope the have the car running by Sunday [:)]

Reich
04-04-2011, 01:12 PM
Looking good. You're doing good of keeping us updated with nice pictures.

RONDAL
04-04-2011, 01:26 PM
correct its just a rubber vitton ring that you can rotate the inlet on the compressor housing. as long as you dont yank on it you're fine

flyingfish2626
04-04-2011, 01:58 PM
I havent tried to do plugs with my 1-piece inlets yet, hopefully it will turn/pivots like Gearhead Mike says. I thought about cutting mine when I installed them and even bought silicon couplers but decided not to cut them. Hopefully I will not regret that decision. Good work with the build, looks great!

truls000
04-04-2011, 02:23 PM
Amazing build, please provide us with more photos :)

AudiSportB5S4
04-04-2011, 03:45 PM
The reason I asked about the mileage on the engine on the first page is do people consider the age of these engines at this point that they do builds, or is that a non-issue when doing these builds that will be stressing the stock rods more? Just curious, I mean even on my K04 car with 127K on engine, 40K on stage 3 I don't think I'd go bigger even on stock block without a refresh.

Looking good though you are motoring through this! I bet you're excited to have all the top end the K03s don't have :)

fatezero
04-04-2011, 04:04 PM
I havent tried to do plugs with my 1-piece inlets yet, hopefully it will turn/pivots like Gearhead Mike says. I thought about cutting mine when I installed them and even bought silicon couplers but decided not to cut them. Hopefully I will not regret that decision. Good work with the build, looks great!

I have on mine and I had no issues at all. Plenty of room to swap the plugs

gearhead1186
04-04-2011, 04:29 PM
The reason I asked about the mileage on the engine on the first page is do people consider the age of these engines at this point that they do builds, or is that a non-issue when doing these builds that will be stressing the stock rods more? Just curious, I mean even on my K04 car with 127K on engine, 40K on stage 3 I don't think I'd go bigger even on stock block without a refresh.

Looking good though you are motoring through this! I bet you're excited to have all the top end the K03s don't have :)

Only thing to really consider on an otherwise well running high mileage motor is slightly lower compression. Easily made up with timing. It would be silly to crack everything open just to hone and re-ring the motor. Might as well do rods at the point.

Matt Danger
04-04-2011, 05:05 PM
Just curious, I mean even on my K04 car with 127K on engine, 40K on stage 3 I don't think I'd go bigger even on stock block without a refresh.

That's silly. Just do a compression test to verify and maybe an oil analysis if you're worried. Mileage is not necessarily an indicator of an engine's condition. Mine has 160k and tests ~180 psi across all cylinders. I bet there's a lot of 200k mile cars that test the same.

Yesmar
04-04-2011, 05:34 PM
nice work, good luck with your project!

AudiSportB5S4
04-04-2011, 06:03 PM
That's silly. Just do a compression test to verify and maybe an oil analysis if you're worried. Mileage is not necessarily an indicator of an engine's condition. Mine has 160k and tests ~180 psi across all cylinders. I bet there's a lot of 200k mile cars that test the same.

You're silly.. Haha I was just wondering you mofos have to jump down my throat? I'm a salesman... [:p] Just kidding..

I'm interested to see the results of the self tuning too.. Going to be interesting. 605s is at the power level I'd want to stop for a daily driver so it's a turbo setup I would consider come time.

RONDAL
04-04-2011, 10:23 PM
if you want to see results of self tuning pay attention to my thread tomorrow afternoon or wednesday. should have some dyno graphs to finally post

Raacerx
04-04-2011, 10:34 PM
I think Tial cheaped out on this.

Cheaped out? On a "not simple" mandrel bent piece like these inlets? They are quality work and well worth the money. There is no need for a mounting tab due to the 1 piece design. Everything is in there tight and I've never seen or heard of them rattling. I'm running 2 piece inlets only because it was cheaper for me, lol. I'd prefer a 1 piece design like the Tial.

RONDAL
04-04-2011, 10:40 PM
the only need for a tab is for pressure testing as you pressurize with positive pressure the inlets which are only held on with vitton rings and usually dont see positive pressure.
this can be solved with a 2x4 wedged at the end to stop it shooting forward or using a very low 5psi to test for leaks

julex
04-05-2011, 06:06 AM
Cheaped out? On a "not simple" mandrel bent piece like these inlets? They are quality work and well worth the money. There is no need for a mounting tab due to the 1 piece design. Everything is in there tight and I've never seen or heard of them rattling. I'm running 2 piece inlets only because it was cheaper for me, lol. I'd prefer a 1 piece design like the Tial.

Without a tab there is a real potential of inlet backing out and letting unmetered/unfiltered air in?

GarbatyA4
04-05-2011, 07:21 AM
Good luck with the build.
It's exciting to see another fast S4 in Ontario.

I'd love to go for a spin in this one day so I can make up my mind.

Jurjen,

You have someone to compete with you at the track.

S4evr
04-05-2011, 09:30 AM
I'd recommend heat wrapping the inlets while the engine is still out

SleeperAvant
04-05-2011, 09:36 AM
Wow, how did I miss this thread! Subscribed!

NOTORIOUS VR
04-05-2011, 10:00 AM
I'd recommend heat wrapping the inlets while the engine is still out

Already asked Jonathan about that... He said it won't matter much.... I believe him.

NOTORIOUS VR
04-05-2011, 01:50 PM
The reason I asked about the mileage on the engine on the first page is do people consider the age of these engines at this point that they do builds, or is that a non-issue when doing these builds that will be stressing the stock rods more? Just curious, I mean even on my K04 car with 127K on engine, 40K on stage 3 I don't think I'd go bigger even on stock block without a refresh.

Looking good though you are motoring through this! I bet you're excited to have all the top end the K03s don't have :)

After what I've seen most european engines take I don't have a doubt in my mind that even a high mileage 2.7T will be just fine @ 600chp.

That said, I did a compression test mid last year sometime... 180 across the board... and the last Blackstone report looks great as well. I'm really not worried at all about the condition of my motor.

SleeperAvant
04-05-2011, 02:14 PM
These motors take 450-500whp easy anyway if it's healthy.

Audi_S4
04-05-2011, 02:19 PM
Engine does look very clean and well maintained from the pics!

Hope for you everythings turns out the way you expect it! Build like these deserve that and the S4's should be grateful we put so much time/money/effort in them !!!

Doug@FrankenTurbo
04-05-2011, 05:22 PM
Great build thread! I love those chunky inlets. With all the air moving around and through them I doubt ceramic coating is needed. Plus it's ahead of the intercoolers there.

NOTORIOUS VR
04-09-2011, 09:41 AM
So back to work as promised!

Started off with a bunch of new parts from Audi... 2x crush turbo seals, 2x DP gaskets, 8x Flywheel bolts (need to be cut down for my single mass FW), 2x oil cooler coolant lines, 1x Audi V8 FP basket + strainer:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TaCKyHvNGrI/AAAAAAAAAQg/hP0RaDQ77os/s512/2011-04-09%2012.31.04.jpg
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TaCKTYJuEFI/AAAAAAAAAQc/DqCAToiJgg4/s720/2011-04-09%2012.31.43.jpg

First order of business, swap coolant lines for oil cooler and reattach the hard lines and snub mount bracket:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TaCK1GYJmMI/AAAAAAAAAQo/W-F3gFt0IwY/s720/2011-04-09%2012.29.59.jpg

Next, finish assembling the coolant and oil lines for the turbos from the kit:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TaCK3v0fD6I/AAAAAAAAAQs/2JIZKQYZLD4/s720/2011-04-09%2012.29.41.jpg

And while I'm waiting on my buddy to bring me his dial indicator for setting the WG preload, I will be measuring the difference needed in the bolts for the flywheel bolts from dual to singlemass. I've read it's ~10mm less but I'd rather measure myself to be sure, then i'll probably shop them off with a hacksaw and clean them up on the lathe.

Stay tuned....

Jurjen
04-09-2011, 09:49 AM
Nice work so far!

sherbet
04-09-2011, 10:41 AM
nice! this build is coming together relatively quick!

chinaren
04-09-2011, 11:13 AM
I lost steam on my stage 2 rebuilt 4 month ago, my garage is a mess, I am so glad to see this project is going strong and fast. keep up the steam and the good work.

NOTORIOUS VR
04-09-2011, 04:08 PM
Thanks guys... My plan is to have the motor in by Sunday.. maybe even tonight...

That said there is a few things I didn't take pics of like setting the wastegates on the bench... sorry.

Onwards with cutting down the flywheel bolts.

With the Dual Mass they protrude 10.45mm, on the Single Mass 15.05mm, so I have to take off 4.6mm to get them to stock length for the TTV Steel Flywheel.

On the lathe:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TaDjpAiaUAI/AAAAAAAAARg/pp1bKFPJtA0/s640/2011-04-09%2015.28.47.jpg
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TaDjme_0z5I/AAAAAAAAARk/ePQ9xSVw1nM/s640/2011-04-09%2015.28.54.jpg

The difference:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TaDjjgaKMWI/AAAAAAAAARo/a2ZDAKUvOhs/s640/2011-04-09%2015.34.09.jpg
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TaDjgnlK4rI/AAAAAAAAARs/kYIQqO-_DPw/s640/2011-04-09%2015.34.24.jpg

Flywheel mounted... I improvised on the TQ specs because if the shortened bolts... I did 50 ft lb (lowest setting on the TQ wrench) + 90 deg. It's tight as hell, so not worried about them coming loose. Applied a fresh dab of blue loctite before inserting as well.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TaDjbPVZGRI/AAAAAAAAAR0/OX1vnQfk-yc/s640/2011-04-09%2018.33.28.jpg

Clutch disk and PP on:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TaDjYNpTSLI/AAAAAAAAAR4/iqHh05-y1Nc/s640/2011-04-09%2018.45.34.jpg

At this point both turbos are on, all the lines (except for the reference lines) are on and tight, pic of the passenger side:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TaDjd0UXCYI/AAAAAAAAARw/cLqQpdONr8g/s640/2011-04-09%2018.01.25.jpg

Next up, get the reference lines on, double check everything and then put the tranny back on and the DP's and all the misc hoses (spider, N75, etc)....

gearhead1186
04-09-2011, 04:25 PM
moving right along..

NOTORIOUS VR
04-09-2011, 05:47 PM
Tranny is on...

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TaD9AjstEAI/AAAAAAAAASM/6H7mFI8Fb8U/s640/2011-04-09%2020.33.50.jpg
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TaD89XmfBXI/AAAAAAAAASQ/0X3N-Hpmb1w/s640/2011-04-09%2020.34.36.jpg

Boost is made here...

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TaD9KKjqU8I/AAAAAAAAASE/osHrqOuG1So/s640/2011-04-09%2020.34.19.jpg

I think I'm about done for the night... Gonna party it up tonight..

Tomorrow, fit the DP's and modify the boost pipe as per the manual, connect all the lines clean the drive shaft flanges and rebuild the inners and slap the lump back in... good times to be had...

Ribbie
04-09-2011, 06:41 PM
Wow just so fast coming together. Party you have earned it.

Or spent enough money else where to justify it!!

4ringsonthagril
04-09-2011, 07:45 PM
hell yeah nice work so far. good luck with everything and enjoy that well deserved partying

NOTORIOUS VR
04-10-2011, 12:16 PM
So modified the boost pipe..

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TaIAIF5I2OI/AAAAAAAAASk/lE8QvmZA8Tc/s512/2011-04-10%2013.51.25.jpg

Did the DIY bead trick ala Mike:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TaIAM-_dwaI/AAAAAAAAASw/PQw9AfCi-JY/s720/2011-04-10%2013.47.36.jpg
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TaIAKdZU3qI/AAAAAAAAASs/Xv5Ks2p6wNw/s512/2011-04-10%2013.48.06.jpg

Passenger side:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TaIACwVYfuI/AAAAAAAAASc/wTq3nro7cb8/s720/2011-04-10%2014.36.27.jpg

Driver side:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TaIAAcJOWNI/AAAAAAAAASY/-2FyvUt2PyQ/s720/2011-04-10%2014.36.42.jpg

Degreased engine bay and subframe:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TaIAFaHv2_I/AAAAAAAAASg/VuV8zSJDglE/s720/2011-04-10%2014.36.16.jpg

At this point, waiting for my buddy to arrive to help me guide the lump back in! [evilsmile]

jay340S4
04-10-2011, 12:41 PM
damn your just flying along. Looking real nice. To bad I am on the opposite side of the country because I would love to see that car.

NOTORIOUS VR
04-10-2011, 04:56 PM
Well motor is in and mounts are secured...

Sometime during the week I will rebuilt my front shafts and hook up the exhaust etc...

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TaI8h6GP7rI/AAAAAAAAATc/U5tgu4PumXE/s912/2011-04-10%2016.52.14.jpg
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TaI8ZPKSA2I/AAAAAAAAATU/BDE3UB7LTdw/s912/2011-04-10%2016.52.26.jpg
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TaI8VCSJSlI/AAAAAAAAATQ/9_FgXrm6SEI/s912/2011-04-10%2016.52.37.jpg
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TaI8PDzFhDI/AAAAAAAAATM/OKJa5EKfCDw/s912/2011-04-10%2016.52.47.jpg
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TaI8JlmooeI/AAAAAAAAATI/wRvVBp9j5zE/s912/2011-04-10%2017.24.58.jpg
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TaI8Bp24nOI/AAAAAAAAATA/pta5kfKzK7Q/s912/2011-04-10%2017.25.08.jpg

And done...

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TaI78A4itTI/AAAAAAAAAS8/vHKZMJGtYXA/s912/2011-04-10%2019.04.18.jpg

gearhead1186
04-10-2011, 05:19 PM
Did the DIY bead trick ala Mike:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TaIAM-_dwaI/AAAAAAAAASw/PQw9AfCi-JY/s720/2011-04-10%2013.47.36.jpg
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TaIAKdZU3qI/AAAAAAAAASs/Xv5Ks2p6wNw/s512/2011-04-10%2013.48.06.jpg


[;)]

looking forward to results.

mikehawk666
04-10-2011, 05:50 PM
Wow. You work fast!

Danza
04-10-2011, 07:53 PM
coming along nicely.

What mounts are those? 034 or rs4?

NOTORIOUS VR
04-11-2011, 04:59 AM
coming along nicely.

What mounts are those? 034 or rs4?

034 Track density motor mounts... bought them over 1.5 years ago lol but never put them in because they're a PITA. I did put in the Street density Tranny mounts though :P

RusS4
04-11-2011, 05:34 AM
Are you sticking with the fmic or are you going baller on us with some ER's?

NOTORIOUS VR
04-11-2011, 05:44 AM
Are you sticking with the fmic or are you going baller on us with some ER's?

I have faith in my FMIC + Meth setup.... Not to say ER's or something of the like isn't in my future.... but I'm confident that my FMIC will be sufficient.

RONDAL
04-11-2011, 08:56 AM
its not running yet?
what the hell.........



;)

034Motorsport
04-11-2011, 09:11 AM
Nice dude!!! Coming along real well.

TN99
04-11-2011, 07:28 PM
Are those V708's ?
Is there a distributor in Ontario for VMR, I am looking at getting some 708's pretty soon once I get my Tial's in.

Looking good, I am starting tomorrow on pulling my front end, so I will be shooting you some pm's if anything goes wrong and I have some questions.

blackjak
04-11-2011, 08:49 PM
I feel like I am reading tesla's journal...I only wish I could do all this and had the knowledge. Good job notorious your flying through this likes its no big deal keep up the good work!

NOTORIOUS VR
04-12-2011, 05:19 AM
^^^^ Thanks :)


Are those V708's ?
Is there a distributor in Ontario for VMR, I am looking at getting some 708's pretty soon once I get my Tial's in.

Looking good, I am starting tomorrow on pulling my front end, so I will be shooting you some pm's if anything goes wrong and I have some questions.

Yes they're V708's, I got them on a group buy through Allen @ SimplyTire in NorthYork... he recently had one again so check with him.

Good luck with the install! It's not as bad any people think or make it out to be. It is a lot of work installing this kit but take your time and do things step by step. Everything fit's just like OEM on my TiAL kit. It's very impressive the level of detail and care they've put into it.

Jurjen
04-12-2011, 07:11 AM
How will you be rebuilding your front shafts? Are you rebuilding them because your ABS is acting up?

NOTORIOUS VR
04-12-2011, 07:40 AM
How will you be rebuilding your front shafts? Are you rebuilding them because your ABS is acting up?

Well it's more just like I'm installing a boot kit on the inners lol... but I'm gonna dump them into the parts washer and clean them up real nice and then install the boot kit.

AudiSportB5S4
04-12-2011, 07:48 AM
Goal should be to get the car running before this thread is moved to the build section. Now that would be impressive!

NOTORIOUS VR
04-12-2011, 07:51 AM
Goal should be to get the car running before this thread is moved to the build section. Now that would be impressive!

that's the plan :P

s4nicetry
04-12-2011, 08:55 AM
Nice work, this build moved very fast!

NOTORIOUS VR
04-12-2011, 08:17 PM
Small update tonight... connected all the wiring, shifter box is in, drive shaft is in, exhaust is up and connected, A/C compressor in and rebuilt the two front shafts...

Tomorrow I'll get the shafts in, go over a few things and slap the front end on and start to fill the fluids...

pic of the fresh inners:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TaUVVTgH3fI/AAAAAAAAAUo/NQ-WUWa3XMo/s720/2011-04-12%2022.21.06.jpg

had some buddies drop by:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TaUOn5dwgCI/AAAAAAAAAUU/prfMDemKhyE/s720/2011-04-12%2022.40.17.jpg

460whp E30 Cab, in the next few weeks we will be building a 2.8L stroker motor, cammed with a Schrick 288, etc:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TaUOkrd3P9I/AAAAAAAAAUQ/Hx-s5n6_g48/s720/2011-04-12%2022.40.28.jpg

zakario
04-12-2011, 10:24 PM
fuggers are nice man. You're build is sick too but I freaken love turbo E30's. Whats the story on the coupe?

SleeperAvant
04-13-2011, 05:24 AM
Fun times!!!

NOTORIOUS VR
04-13-2011, 05:28 AM
Thanks!

Yeah I have a serious soft spot for E30's as well (doesn't help that I've owned two of them in the past).

Here is a quick vid of the green one... I was just finishing up some tuning and decided to try my phones video camera [:p]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZZ3ta6UnmA

The silver one is my buddies work colleague... he's got another E30 (also a cab) in the works where he will be building and turbocharging a 2.8L stroker, just not as crazy as the green one.

Quattro_2.7tt
04-13-2011, 08:29 AM
THis is coming along very nicely! Love E30s, I just sold my 90 325is with tons of money dumped into it.

NOTORIOUS VR
04-13-2011, 09:08 PM
Well I'm happy to say the car is done... Drove it around the block... the ECU hates these turbos lol... hit's 10psi and just cuts... but everything sounds and feels good... Clutch and FW is AMAZING. Super easy, not chatter at all.... very impressed. 034 Motormounts also feel nice and tight...

I need to get my fueling in place and start tuning... oh an get my v-bands and flexes welded in because I have a major exhaust leak now @ the SSAC olive clamps (needed to adjust the exhaust a little).

Two quick pics of it before and after the drive...

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TaZuhyw2PrI/AAAAAAAAAVA/TG62ZFUaG9o/s912/2011-04-13%2021.57.27.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TaZuXy8YrbI/AAAAAAAAAU4/m-xPSAwASoU/s912/2011-04-13%2023.06.00.jpg

Thank you all for viewing... Next updates will be for fueling and tuning advancements [evilsmile]

sherbet
04-13-2011, 09:24 PM
sweet! That was super quick lol its cool seeing builds go together so fast! cant wait for updates in the future

AudiSportB5S4
04-14-2011, 05:38 AM
YES !!!!!! It was completed before moved into the build section!

Good job man, I'll get you that file later on I've been crazy busy with school this week. Can't wait until you get those injectors and start tuning.

NOTORIOUS VR
04-14-2011, 06:00 AM
YES !!!!!! It was completed before moved into the build section!

[:p]


Good job man, I'll get you that file later on I've been crazy busy with school this week. Can't wait until you get those injectors and start tuning.

Thanks!

Danza
04-14-2011, 06:25 AM
very impressed with how fast you got it done. It'll be good to have you around to help other people finish their installs.

Jurjen
04-14-2011, 06:48 AM
Impressive!

Amazed at how quickly and trouble free this seemed to go for you!

Its got me motivate work on my car all weekend and it get ready for the summer! :)

NOTORIOUS VR
04-14-2011, 07:15 AM
Yeah pretty much to my surprise as well, everything went apart and back together without a hitch... believe me I'm thankful for that LOL

Git 'er done! [:p]

ColinAndrews
04-14-2011, 07:27 AM
Yeah pretty much to my surprise as well, everything went apart and back together without a hitch... believe me I'm thankful for that LOL

Git 'er done! [:p]

This is a fantastic indication that the car has been cared for and serviced properly. If you don't have to fight with parts/bolts/corrosion/etc., along with how clean most of your parts looked, it shows that it's healthy.

Good stuff. I wish I could say the same for my car and it's previous owner.

AudiSportB5S4
04-15-2011, 11:38 AM
Ultimate insult.. You not only finished your entire build before making it into the build section, but Agron's build thread was moved before yours and his isn't near completion. [:p]

I meant to ask, are you N75 tuning this car, or MBC?

NOTORIOUS VR
04-15-2011, 11:43 AM
Ultimate insult.. You not only finished your entire build before making it into the build section, but Agron's build thread was moved before yours and his isn't near completion. [:p]

I meant to ask, are you N75 tuning this car, or MBC?

I know... I don't get it... lol... I even posted in the proper thread to have it moved... WTF...

N75 for sure... MBC's are very meh to me... last resort kinda thing in my eyes...

but who knows, I might not put much time/effort into the ME7 tune at all and might just go straight to standalone... but a very special one :)

JackalS4
04-15-2011, 02:57 PM
Time to update your sig! ("Install is underway!") [:p]

Congrats!

VERY encouraging to hear the Tial stuff fits well. Good luck with your tuning.

Jurjen
04-18-2011, 04:08 PM
Still not in the build section! [confused]

RONDAL
04-18-2011, 04:24 PM
glad to see it went in issue free. oh how i wiiiiish that was my story

GURUMAN
04-18-2011, 05:17 PM
When you finish a project that hasnt got time to be transfered to the build section, that means you did it fast as hell !

Angular
04-18-2011, 05:19 PM
Still not in the build section! [confused]

Mine either! Then again, I haven't even pulled the front bumper off. [>_<]

034Motorsport
04-20-2011, 10:40 AM
Wait you are done?

NOTORIOUS VR
04-20-2011, 10:43 AM
Wait you are done?

yeah man.. long time ago.. car is back home since last week lol...

waiting on fueling now [:)]

RusS4
04-20-2011, 02:09 PM
Decided which route your going on tuning? (Standalone or ME7)

NOTORIOUS VR
04-21-2011, 06:53 AM
Decided which route your going on tuning? (Standalone or ME7)

both i think... gonna make a base map on ME7 with the ID1000's and an 85mm MAF... tuned to about 22-23psi...

and then swap to standalone... especially since I just found out integrating the Zeitronics E85 meter to do on the fly adjustments is cake... so fuck yeah!

Raacerx
04-21-2011, 10:13 AM
Ah, well, I wouldn't consider that "done" then. Proper running tune is still half the battle!

NOTORIOUS VR
04-21-2011, 10:20 AM
Ah, well, I wouldn't consider that "done" then. Proper running tune is still half the battle!

Well nothing is really ever 'done' lol

jibberjive
04-21-2011, 03:39 PM
especially since I just found out integrating the Zeitronics E85 meter to do on the fly adjustments is cake... so fuck yeah!
Did I spark something with the Zeitronix E85 meter talk[:d]

NOTORIOUS VR
04-22-2011, 06:08 AM
Did I spark something with the Zeitronix E85 meter talk[:d]

yup... made me go back an take a 2nd look... low and behold I found it has two analog outputs lol (one for ethanol quantity and one for fuel temp), so I checked with the guys that make the hardware/firmware of the ECU I sell and yeah... ign and full range inj. pw adjustments are possible. [:)]

Good by the need for two separate maps (although I can still do map switching if I wanted to).

NOTORIOUS VR
04-26-2011, 10:54 AM
Ordered these yesterday:

ID1000's
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/6159/id7253.jpg

Should have them at my company by the time I get to ATL on Thursday, latest Friday [:)]

AMC
04-26-2011, 11:10 AM
Ultimate insult.. You not only finished your entire build before making it into the build section, but Agron's build thread was moved before yours and his isn't near completion. [:p]

I meant to ask, are you N75 tuning this car, or MBC?

hey that hurts lol

spa
04-26-2011, 12:05 PM
man you work fast, my hat is off to you!

AudiSportB5S4
04-26-2011, 12:13 PM
Nice injectors! Can't wait until you start playing with this tune because I'm dying to see what these 605s are capable of. If Rich/Bigern trapped 124, and these are promoted as more top end than RS6s I'd imagine these can get a few extra mph. Everyone on here takes my comments as I don't believe in these Tial setups. That's not the case in the least, I just am anxious to see faster S4s with all these builds taking place. Everyone seems to post up these numbers that seem awesome but I just want to line it up with something I know translates into true power potential. [up]


hey that hurts lol

Lol.. I wish you'd finish yours ASAP so I can watch you go into the 10s [:D]

NOTORIOUS VR
04-26-2011, 12:41 PM
I'll be honest.. I'm not sure how far I will take the stock ECU tuning thing... I do want to get a solid base tune going for 605's that's for sure... but I doubt I will be doing past 22-23 psi on ME7 (but who knows, if I like what I'm seeing I will upgrade to a proper MAF setup and continue to tune). At some point in the near future it will be standalone all the way.

AMC
04-26-2011, 08:11 PM
Nice injectors! Can't wait until you start playing with this tune because I'm dying to see what these 605s are capable of. If Rich/Bigern trapped 124, and these are promoted as more top end than RS6s I'd imagine these can get a few extra mph. Everyone on here takes my comments as I don't believe in these Tial setups. That's not the case in the least, I just am anxious to see faster S4s with all these builds taking place. Everyone seems to post up these numbers that seem awesome but I just want to line it up with something I know translates into true power potential. [up]



Lol.. I wish you'd finish yours ASAP so I can watch you go into the 10s [:D]

haha thanks bud youll like the s4 in my garage then. im building a 605 car with rods and 2.8 heads

NOTORIOUS VR
04-27-2011, 05:28 AM
ordered the last of my shit last night... hope to have everything here by the time I get back from ATL...

Got these on ebay since I couldn't fathom paying $75 for just the elbow @ 034:
http://www.siliconhose.com.hk/ebay2009/Zenaracing/nologo/elbow45/Black-elbow45-114_102.jpg
http://www.siliconhose.com.hk/ebay2009/Zenaracing/nologo/straight/Black-Straight-60_64_70_76.jpg

and of course:
http://esm.logic.net/gallery/d/3305-2/bosch-044-2.jpg

diabolical1
04-27-2011, 05:35 PM
congrats on getting to where you are without issue. only 3 pages? i think you should be eligible for some kind of an award or something. i hope tuning goes relatively drama-free as well.


At some point in the near future it will be standalone all the way.
a man who's seen the light.

bigern45
04-27-2011, 09:16 PM
If Rich/Bigern trapped 124, and these are promoted as more top end than RS6s I'd imagine these can get a few extra mph. [:D]

.. on an improper injector setup..[;)][;)][>_<][>_<]

NOTORIOUS VR
04-28-2011, 06:21 AM
congrats on getting to where you are without issue. only 3 pages? i think you should be eligible for some kind of an award or something. i hope tuning goes relatively drama-free as well.


a man who's seen the light.

Thanks [:)]

Also I've been selling/installing and tuning standalones for over 6 years now... Only makes sense to get ME7 our of the way and make some real power.

diabolical1
04-29-2011, 11:55 AM
6 years with standalones, eh? well, that certainly explains your clarity. i find it refreshing around here; that's all.

julex
04-29-2011, 07:49 PM
Please do tell about standalones!

One thing awlays sits in the back of my mind. How legal are standalones, e.g. do they completely fool DMV emissions?

Thanks.

Turbo Nerd
04-30-2011, 12:17 AM
I'm no tuner but I'll tell you with full standalone (not piggy back) that your DLC and VAG COM is completely useless. So if you have emissions or whatever and they hook up the cable to the DLC it won't communicate with the ecu therefor you fail. Correct me if I'm wrong.

jibberjive
04-30-2011, 12:59 AM
I'm no tuner but I'll tell you with full standalone (not piggy back) that your DLC and VAG COM is completely useless. So if you have emissions or whatever and they hook up the cable to the DLC it won't communicate with the ecu therefor you fail. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I remember Max@034 saying in another thread that you can completely pass readiness and emissions with their standalone, so I think there's a way.

Turbo Nerd
04-30-2011, 09:20 AM
Can't believe I missed that, I looked intensively into IIc when I was going to throw a VR in my B5 but I guess since I don't have emissions or anything like that I never paid attention. Man I was so close to build my 12V VR but when I did like 18 hours of research I knew I was going to get in a hole quick with all the custom things you need. That's good info though.

NefMoto
04-30-2011, 01:03 PM
You can disable all of the readiness tests in the ME7 fairly easily.

flyingfish2626
04-30-2011, 09:10 PM
You can disable all of the readiness tests in the ME7 fairly easily.
Great info there... Thank you

splatt
05-02-2011, 06:15 AM
Now that I would assume you have some decent miles on it, how are you liking that flywheel? I know you said it didn't chatter, but has it started? Any sort of peculiar aspects pop up that weren't there initially? I'm hoping this thing turns out to be a comfortably streetable, non annoying LWFW :)

NOTORIOUS VR
05-04-2011, 10:58 AM
^^^ I haven't driven the car really at all.. Just from the shop to home. No fueling done yet. But that is going to change soon! [:)]

What almost $900 looks like [facepalm]

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TcGRq8VPVRI/AAAAAAAAAXI/ACZwqsyPo68/s640/2011-05-04%2013.48.22.jpg

jibberjive
05-04-2011, 07:50 PM
^^^ I haven't driven the car really at all.. Just from the shop to home. No fueling done yet. But that is going to change soon! [:)]

What almost $900 looks like [facepalm]

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TcGRq8VPVRI/AAAAAAAAAXI/ACZwqsyPo68/s640/2011-05-04%2013.48.22.jpg

Nice, I feel your pain on that ha.

NOTORIOUS VR
05-12-2011, 10:02 AM
^^ :P

Smallish update... finished off my MAF housing... completely plastic welded all the way around to it's nice and strong and finished it off with a nice bead of silicon to ensure no leaks.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TcwRXqWDvvI/AAAAAAAAAYg/O4x3rkzq_HM/s720/2011-05-12%2012.49.32.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TcwRRSzdS-I/AAAAAAAAAYc/Beb0aIZcqto/s720/2011-05-12%2012.53.48.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/TcwRJ1IzgaI/AAAAAAAAAYU/giTBv0LtXbM/s720/2011-05-12%2012.54.11.jpg

NOTORIOUS VR
05-13-2011, 12:32 PM
Fueling install to commence in t-30min... then load my base tune... and see what happens :)

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/Tc1klkE7T5I/AAAAAAAAAY8/eCeDtxFTbys/s800/2011-05-13%2013.03.32.jpg

NOTORIOUS VR
05-14-2011, 06:17 AM
Well starting to install the fueling after work didn't pan out as I forgot my crimp tool @ home for the injectors... so... had to go home (after already pulling shit apart) and by the time I got around to coming back it was 9pm lol...

Anyway's onwards with the pics...

Old inj out...
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/Tc4WS7BJzNI/AAAAAAAAAao/C-Zdj5tisGk/s800/2011-05-13%2021.29.26.jpg

Made 6 pigtails...
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/Tc4WNl7Wj9I/AAAAAAAAAak/_IV8vBNMWI4/s800/2011-05-13%2021.12.19.jpg

Pigtails are now a part of the harness...
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/Tc4WIAUoDCI/AAAAAAAAAac/U5aQZ_KG5KA/s800/2011-05-13%2022.29.34.jpg
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/Tc4WCxhStiI/AAAAAAAAAaY/FOGTTIOJyEo/s800/2011-05-13%2022.30.10.jpg

Oh so sweet ID1000's, all assembled and o-rings greased... no pic of them installed tho since I couldn't see shit anyway.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/Tc4V9asxDDI/AAAAAAAAAaU/YMTY1k6EVLI/s800/2011-05-13%2022.40.05.jpg

And of course... the first flash...
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/Tc4V4BFEdII/AAAAAAAAAbE/tDtjGddjT5c/s640/2011-05-13%2023.52.18.jpg

Then I did some playing around with the tune just so I could drive it home (was getting late)... and ended up getting a log...

Can follow the tuning specific progress here:
http://www.nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php/topic,617.0title,.html

RusS4
05-14-2011, 07:02 AM
Nice... Im having a running rich issue myself. It keeps putting me into limp mode around 4500 but if I unplug my maf it dosent do it. Im chasing down the issue to see if maybe its my o2's or maf or something else.

NOTORIOUS VR
05-14-2011, 07:20 AM
Yeah I don't get a limp mode or anything like that... the car after 15psi just hits a wall (of fuel)... but otherwise seems to run fine. So I'm going to try to work that all out before I go any further... probably go up to my buddy Marco @ Magnus Motorsports (http://magnusmotorsports.com/) and put the car on the dyno and start playing.

NOTORIOUS VR
05-14-2011, 06:30 PM
Welp, hit the dyno today... having some issues with the tuning... trying to lean it out, and sometimes it does other times not so much... also runs pretty lean during cruse and oscillates a bit... Otherwise the car is in top shape and pulls like a damn freight train even with just this base tune and super rich AFR (sometimes).

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/Tc8sMO_jICI/AAAAAAAAAbk/1Pv_vDSYJTo/s800/Tial_650_dyno_final.jpg

Angular
05-14-2011, 07:23 PM
Not bad! And even more power to be had for sure with some additional tuning. Nice work. [up]

SleeperAvant
05-14-2011, 07:27 PM
Good shit! What MAF sensor are you using?

NOTORIOUS VR
05-15-2011, 07:33 PM
Not bad! And even more power to be had for sure with some additional tuning. Nice work. [up]

More power for sure... I haven't even touched ign. advance at all, and running 10:1 AFR isn't helping things [:p]


Good shit! What MAF sensor are you using?

Hitachi

AudiSportB5S4
05-16-2011, 07:45 AM
Nice man... 10s will certainly slow the car down, once you get that AFR correct then start upping the boost you'll be way up there. Congrats!

bigern45
05-16-2011, 12:45 PM
Nice man... 10s will certainly slow the car down, once you get that AFR correct then start upping the boost you'll be way up there. Congrats!
is that in general yusko?? im thinking id up the boost a little now as far as tuning, depending on the fueling curve that may correct itself.

idk.. i may be looking at this bassackwards..

AudiSportB5S4
05-16-2011, 01:03 PM
Well I'm just saying in his case I'd start with correcting AFR, getting more power out of just that being ironed out.. He put down a good number being bogged down by 10.0AFR, so there's power just in leaning out the mixture for sure. Once that was set and he wanted more power he could then do so by increasing boost and making fueling changes from there. Not sure how he's going to approach it but being on stock engine I would want the AFR correct before increasing boost.

NOTORIOUS VR
05-16-2011, 01:09 PM
Well I'm just saying in his case I'd start with correcting AFR, getting more power out of just that being ironed out.. He put down a good number being bogged down by 10.0AFR, so there's power just in leaning out the mixture for sure. Once that was set and he wanted more power he could then do so by increasing boost and making fueling changes from there. Not sure how he's going to approach it but being on stock engine I would want the AFR correct before increasing boost.

You're right I will be correcting the AFR before anything... Turning up the boost is not the right way to go about this. Either way I'm making good progress on info with the guys over @ NefMoto and I hope to have my Wideband in this week so I can start tweaking again...

I will most likely pick up HP/TQ just by leaning it out.

NOTORIOUS VR
05-23-2011, 05:56 PM
Well starting to get somewhere with the tuning... finally...

Got my wideband installed, and my black S4 badge.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/Tdr94g99doI/AAAAAAAAAek/S-aQFPuBhVQ/s800/2011-05-17%2018.04.28.jpg
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/Tdr9yCYzoiI/AAAAAAAAAec/A8Q1ivgCxH8/s640/2011-05-17%2018.04.18.jpg
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/Tdr9lkLrjvI/AAAAAAAAAeQ/gn7DgA1aPFU/s800/2011-05-23%2019.00.24.jpg
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/Tdr9eluFBdI/AAAAAAAAAeM/6AOXv6lyDII/s800/2011-05-23%2019.00.46.jpg
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_51mfYIRRh0Y/Tdr9rklxVzI/AAAAAAAAAeY/xMRE3CDdmX0/s800/2011-05-23%2018.56.08.jpg

flyingfish2626
05-23-2011, 06:07 PM
Love the black badge.

GURUMAN
05-23-2011, 06:21 PM
Nice cluster

NOTORIOUS VR
06-07-2011, 07:35 AM
^^^ Thanks!

So yesterday I decided to look into my car a little more since the swap... I've been developing a missfire the past 2-3 days, and 2 days ago I got a blinking CEL from it (random misfire/misfire cyl 1)... so I got some new plugs (almost 20k km on the current 7E's) and after work I dug in...

Pulled the old ones... for whatever reason all 6 seems uber loose in the heads, it took no effort to loosen them at all... anyway, I pull #1 and inspect it. Plug looks good physically but after checking the gap I see why that one was having an issue... gap was now 0.032" obviously a little too large for 24 psi. I continue to pull the rest and replace them with a fresh set of 7E's gapped to 0.024".

Pic's of the old plugs... nice even colour/burn, no excessive wear or anything.. could have been re-gapped and put back in but for the cost of coppers it's not worth it.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-0sEG5FvhOJI/Te4xhrLd1nI/AAAAAAAAAmI/xviuZ-Z__po/s800/2011-06-06%25252017.52.59.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-qv7zyAP236w/Te4xS0xdG4I/AAAAAAAAAmA/cFHaAxSeID4/s800/2011-06-06%25252017.55.26.jpg
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-mdyjlGlcPg8/Te4xJ9uQazI/AAAAAAAAAl8/tEsL0LCLGKA/s800/2011-06-06%25252017.55.51.jpg

Then I decided to check both DV's, make sure they not sticking... they're not.

And then pressure test the system just because I never did it since putting the motor back into the car with the new setup. Again, tight as a drum up to about 15-17psi before the pressure tester blew off and almost shot across the room lol.

Then out of dumb luck I had my MAP sensor disconnected at the TB (to get at the DV line) and doing so and turning on the ign/meth kit the pump will go full tilt (was going to flash a new revision). Well good thing it happened because I discovered that every single fitting was leaving HUGE amounts of meth. To the point that there was nothing coming out of the nozzles because there was no pressure left.

I'm assuming that the heat and meth after almost 2 years of use ate up the seals in them but WOW... no wonder I wasn't getting any cooling effect from the meth anymore since the new install (90+ F IAT's)

Video showing just the leaking Y fitting... after I already repaired the two nozzels themselves... and the output fitting on the pump leaks too...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcBO_CmjyAI

So anyway... after fixing everything except for the output fitting on the pump (didn't have one to replace it with) the car drives a lot better now and obviously they must have been the source of a leak as the car is running a lot different now then before under boost.

Did another revision to the tune this morning, things are starting to get pretty good now! I'll update with some logs soon!

gearhead1186
06-07-2011, 08:06 AM
awesome. strides forward! looking forward to logs.

BlakMarketKlash
06-08-2011, 03:48 PM
X2

NOTORIOUS VR
06-08-2011, 04:33 PM
Did 5 more revisions today... a little leaner under boost (it's around 11.3-.5 at TQ peek to around 12.2 @ redline now) and richened up a few spots in the cruise area that seemed to be causing a few quirks... it's getting there slowly [:)]

No logs today tho, we had one hell of a hot day (107 w/ humidity) so I didn't want to beat on the car that much even w/ the meth now working @ 90%.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-YZmXz7atKWQ/TfAEXT5cavI/AAAAAAAAAnM/KkoVOsQvlTQ/s800/shot_1307568074635.jpg

AudiSportB5S4
06-09-2011, 05:41 AM
Nice man good progress. Those AFRs are pretty close...

Hows the car feel? Must pull real nice!

NOTORIOUS VR
06-09-2011, 05:44 AM
Nice man good progress. Those AFRs are pretty close...

Hows the car feel? Must pull real nice!

Honestly, the car @ WOT feels great! But @ cruise in certain RPM points it's a little weird sometimes... it's all a part of learning I guess, or maybe I'm just too picky lol..

I hope to get some logs tomorrow after work, weather is supposed to let up (we're getting rain/thunder today) as well.

julex
06-09-2011, 05:58 AM
Regarding meth kit. It appears that you have vast kit. Raplace as many fittings as it is possible with brass compression fittings from HD. My vast kit was leaking from almost every single connector after mere 3-4 months in the car. At this time, the only original items in the system are check valve and nozzles themselves. I replaced Y-splitter with brass T-fitting and pump inlet/outlet. No more leaks for months now.

NOTORIOUS VR
06-09-2011, 06:04 AM
Regarding meth kit. It appears that you have vast kit. Raplace as many fittings as it is possible with brass compression fittings from HD. My vast kit was leaking from almost every single connector after mere 3-4 months in the car. At this time, the only original items in the system are check valve and nozzles themselves. I replaced Y-splitter with brass T-fitting and pump inlet/outlet. No more leaks for months now.

Yup that's the plan... right now I used some new push to connect fittings I had laying around the shop... and to be honest now I really wonder how long it took for it to start leaking, I'm almost starting to thing after the first summer (3-4 months).

Mantis
06-09-2011, 06:10 AM
The VAST kit leaks because of the tubing size, if you go to metric sizing on the tubing, it seals up nice and tight

NOTORIOUS VR
06-09-2011, 06:17 AM
The VAST kit leaks because of the tubing size, if you go to metric sizing on the tubing, it seals up nice and tight

You might be right about that too, I'm currently using metric size quick connect/push lock fittings and the tube is nice and tight and no leaks. Either way the compression fittings will ensure a nice tight permanent seal.

wan2play
06-09-2011, 01:28 PM
waht kind of nav unit are you running...Looks clean

NOTORIOUS VR
06-09-2011, 01:55 PM
^^^ thanks.. built it myself...

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/284296-So...-I-m-building-a-CARputer...

wdbdy2000s4
06-09-2011, 02:33 PM
looking good. can't wait to see it all finished up.

julex
06-09-2011, 03:26 PM
The VAST kit leaks because of the tubing size, if you go to metric sizing on the tubing, it seals up nice and tight

Seriously? Wow. I wonder how many kits they sold like that...

AudiSportB5S4
06-09-2011, 05:22 PM
Seriously? Wow. I wonder how many kits they sold like that...

My kit is from 2008 and hasn't leaked since day 1... Not sure what Devil's Own changed over the years but the tubing I thought has always been the same. VAST doesn't repackage what D.O. sends them.

NOTORIOUS VR
06-09-2011, 08:17 PM
Well got out and did some logs tonight... not too happy with them to say the least, nor am I happy how the car drives... I think I'm going to start from a completely stock M-box base this weekend and see how things go from there...

Either way, at least I've made progress and I've learned quite a bit about how the stock ECU works/thinks.

Ignore the red line/run, it was incomplete.

http://i55.tinypic.com/1zo9gya.jpg
http://i55.tinypic.com/ju8gtt.jpg
http://i51.tinypic.com/30vy9np.jpg
http://i55.tinypic.com/116l5c4.jpg
http://i53.tinypic.com/11rrnsi.jpg
http://i56.tinypic.com/122j6hj.jpg
http://i56.tinypic.com/261f2u0.jpg

BlakMarketKlash
06-11-2011, 01:54 PM
Are you starting from a new ECU together or just the file?

NOTORIOUS VR
06-12-2011, 07:36 AM
Are you starting from a new ECU together or just the file?

Actually, I was planning on starting with just a new file (base/stock M-box), BUT! I finally found out what made the car run like crap!

All along it was KFMIRL! SOB, and I only noticed it after I made it worse (twice) trying to avoid throttle cut and what not.

So I ended up copying a stock M-box KFMIRL map over, set the top end load and smoothed it from 70% to 99%... Voila, car drives like butter!

After that I started to play with the WGDC, but quickly realized that the stock FP was already near with max with just running off the WG @ 22-24 ps and quickly started to go lean with inj drop outs, and higher CF's again... so I'm back to my minimal WGDC map so I can go buy the part I need for the 044 and slap that in sometimes this coming week!

I'm pumped.

NOTORIOUS VR
06-12-2011, 08:47 AM
Current logs...

http://i51.tinypic.com/2cse7bk.jpg
http://i56.tinypic.com/2h2im2g.jpg
http://i51.tinypic.com/2a6o70p.jpg
http://i51.tinypic.com/2a8j8ee.jpg
http://i56.tinypic.com/a2gdvt.jpg

AudiSportB5S4
06-12-2011, 08:55 AM
Damn man... Your injectors are way so big for this setup. The second boost comes on you're dipping low 11's high 10s AFR. Continue to lean it out some I bet it'll feel nice!

How much boost are you running? It falls below the MAP for a little bit then creeps back up just wondering what your target is.

NOTORIOUS VR
06-12-2011, 11:51 AM
Yes it's still on the rich side which I'm ok with right now. Keep in mind the meth also skews the values a little.

I'm really only running wg pressure... So like 22ish for the most part and 24, max in higher gears (5th +) with more load.

There is still progress to be made no doubt. But the car drives like it is stock now, which is what I was struggling with for a while.

Also my wideband tells me the narrowband o2's are a little optimistic.

FlaS4
06-13-2011, 12:08 PM
Damn man... Your injectors are way so big for this setup.

I believe he said he will be running E85 in the future

NOTORIOUS VR
06-13-2011, 12:14 PM
I believe he said he will be running E85 in the future

Correct... and even if I don't... these injectors (ID1000's) scale so well it doesn't make a difference to them at all to ride around at a low pulsewidth.

AudiSportB5S4
06-13-2011, 12:17 PM
But the car drives like it is stock now, which is what I was struggling with for a while.

Awesome man!! Good stuff [up]


I believe he said he will be running E85 in the future

Ah. I lose track with all the builds around here. Sounds good though.

AudiSportB5S4
06-13-2011, 12:19 PM
I meant to add, can you do a pull from 2500 to 6800? Your FATs times (although you shouldn't chase those of course) are being hurt by the fact that your just getting into full boost or still on your way when it starts at 4200. I'd be interested to see boost ramp up from 2500.

NOTORIOUS VR
06-13-2011, 12:57 PM
I meant to add, can you do a pull from 2500 to 6800? Your FATs times (although you shouldn't chase those of course) are being hurt by the fact that your just getting into full boost or still on your way when it starts at 4200. I'd be interested to see boost ramp up from 2500.

the boost ramp up is lazy because i've got no DC in the N75 at all (well in the last logs I do, but it ain't doing anything)... And when I did start to ramp up the DC for more boost sooner my pump can't keep up... even from 5800-6000 to 7k it's going lean(er) right now (I know it shows the opposite in the logs, not sure why). So i'm trying to get my 044 in before I attempt to do anything else.

Also with these turbos, the difference after 20 psi per psi is pretty big... and what I mean by that is, the car pulls A LOT harder @ 24 psi then it does @ 22.

flyingfish2626
06-13-2011, 01:08 PM
the boost ramp up is lazy because i've got no DC in the N75 at all (well in the last logs I do, but it ain't doing anything)... And when I did start to ramp up the DC for more boost sooner my pump can't keep up... even from 5800-6000 to 7k it's going lean(er) right now (I know it shows the opposite in the logs, not sure why). So i'm trying to get my 044 in before I attempt to do anything else.

Also with these turbos, the difference after 20 psi per psi is pretty big... and what I mean by that is, the car pulls A LOT harder @ 24 psi then it does @ 22.
What he said....Good work with the build.

Shenanigans
06-13-2011, 09:23 PM
Been looking through this and some of your other threads, your quite the DIY-er...keep up the good work man I can only imagine out many weeks worth of work you've put into your S over the years ( not that there arn't many on here that haven't )

diabolical1
06-14-2011, 10:17 AM
love the progress you're making. and yes, those ID1000s are quickly becoming my favorite injectors.

GarbatyA4
06-14-2011, 10:34 AM
Did you install your 044 pump yet?

NOTORIOUS VR
06-14-2011, 10:52 AM
Thanks for the compliments guys!


Did you install your 044 pump yet?

No... I left work early yesterday to get the fitting I need M12 > 8mm and they were closed... so I left the pump with my buddy and he is supposed to get it for me (he works right down the road from the place).... I hope to have it in tomorrow maybe... I'm really itching to take it to the track on Friday :)

SleeperAvant
06-15-2011, 06:00 AM
... I'm really itching to take it to the track on Friday :)

Which track?

AudiSportB5S4
06-15-2011, 06:03 AM
Also with these turbos, the difference after 20 psi per psi is pretty big... and what I mean by that is, the car pulls A LOT harder @ 24 psi then it does @ 22.

Certainly...


I'm really itching to take it to the track on Friday :)

I'm itching too! Haha... That would be awesome man [:D]

NOTORIOUS VR
06-15-2011, 06:47 AM
Which track?

Cayuga... looks like it's on... I just hope that I can get my fuel pump in today, not quite sure if the fitting that my buddy got me will work... I know the check valve is gone, so I'll have to get the 034 banjo fitting and change it later... but I can deal with a few hard starts until then :P

So far it should be me, my buddy with the Turbo E30, probably Mint GTI (24V Turbo GTI), a BT 2L A4 (HTA 35R or whatever) and possibly a VAST FT Avant to come as well waiting to hear back from him though.

GarbatyA4
06-15-2011, 12:38 PM
Cayuga... looks like it's on... I just hope that I can get my fuel pump in today, not quite sure if the fitting that my buddy got me will work... I know the check valve is gone, so I'll have to get the 034 banjo fitting and change it later... but I can deal with a few hard starts until then :P

So far it should be me, my buddy with the Turbo E30, probably Mint GTI (24V Turbo GTI), a BT 2L A4 (HTA 35R or whatever) and possibly a VAST FT Avant to come as well waiting to hear back from him though.

WOOO hooo!

I'm going to come watch/film friday night. I'll try to get Jurjen to come out with his GT2554 car :)

NOTORIOUS VR
06-15-2011, 12:44 PM
WOOO hooo!

I'm going to come watch/film friday night. I'll try to get Jurjen to come out with his GT2554 car :)

Awesome!

Might be a few more cars coming now too... V6 B6 S4 with mods, possibly a modded B8 S4... should be good times!

NOTORIOUS VR
06-15-2011, 06:51 PM
Well didn't get my pump in today.. forgot to take my basket with me. But! I did end up getting the banjo fitting (just gonna clean it up) a bit that I needed from my buddies @ SEM Motorsports... so the pump will go in tomorrow after work.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-wcKXvJGcA30/TflexhSXT4I/AAAAAAAAAo8/LlrQpYV-CtU/s512/2011-06-15%25252018.27.25.jpg

v dub'n
06-16-2011, 09:08 AM
Less talk more work, this little 1.8 is hungry!!!

NOTORIOUS VR
06-16-2011, 11:52 AM
Less talk more work, this little 1.8 is hungry!!!

Don't worry, you will get yours on Friday @ the track... better hope your bucket is ready! [:D]

Jurjen
06-16-2011, 06:28 PM
Wish I could make it out, but I'll be working :(

AudiA4_20T
06-16-2011, 06:31 PM
YGPM dude

BlakMarketKlash
06-16-2011, 09:29 PM
Wish i could go aswell. but im a few blocks too far west haha

NOTORIOUS VR
06-17-2011, 06:35 AM
Well yesterday was a complete and utter fail...

My buddy got me the wrong fittings and using them would also mean loosing the check valve (no bueno).... so then I went by a buddies shop and asked if he had some old CIS injection parts kicking around... sure enough he did have the banjo that I thought would fit and the nut for it.. So I think I'm for yesterday to install the damn pump...

I remove the stock pump no problem... tools of choice once everything was out of the way, used in a cross like fashion...

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-00jhsF58OrM/TfrjTyusUFI/AAAAAAAAAps/GXQ1vNK3ZjA/s800/2011-06-16%25252017.52.21.jpg
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-zZT_3wtzyMY/TfrjNGYqY3I/AAAAAAAAApo/2KxrPsB455s/s640/2011-06-16%25252017.52.10.jpg
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-pqvkVs0heJU/TfrjbVLe6II/AAAAAAAAApw/5YY8uuX-qzs/s800/2011-06-16%25252017.52.40.jpg

Modify the basket slightly (have to grind away some tab/filter screen)...

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-zZYZJN2jFMc/TfrjpGOWwOI/AAAAAAAAAp8/8oM0tNh_gso/s640/2011-06-16%25252018.02.49.jpg

w/ basket...

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-EYLp8rb5MDw/TfrjwfLbQmI/AAAAAAAAAqE/OY-R2V8UHto/s640/2011-06-16%25252018.03.27.jpg

So now after 4 hours of driving around to every place imaginable... I ended up at another buddies shop Magnus Motorposrts, a guy there told me that the banjo fitting from a Civic fuel line that goes from the fuel filter on the firewall to the fuel rail will work. He took me to another shop that does Hondas, they had a bucket full of lines I take one and we're off... At this point it's almost 10pm...

I cut the banjo fitting, attach the line...

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-NyjG_Q9Ti5c/Tfrj446IzRI/AAAAAAAAAqI/bIKz1LbwHcs/s800/2011-06-16%25252021.58.55.jpg

Drop the pump back in and voila... the car starts and runs...

Now load the tune with more WGDC, do a few revisions and can't seem to the the fueling right... SOB! At this point it's almost 1am and I'm tired... So I'm back on my old program (~22psi) for now, and will probably have to go to the track on the weak sauce program :(

AudiSportB5S4
06-17-2011, 07:22 AM
That sucks man... Its the worst when you're trying to do something right before you want the car to run right and you run into problems like these.. Even with the 22psi program you should have fun.. I know you used to take your S2+ car to the track so you'll certainly be able to tick off better numbers than that, or at least a higher trap. Have fun [up]

NOTORIOUS VR
06-17-2011, 07:23 AM
Last log from last nights attempts for moAr boost... no idea WTF is going on with the fueling here... so cheesed right now as I really don't understand why....

http://i52.tinypic.com/vzkjs2.jpg
http://i55.tinypic.com/w7mz38.jpg
http://i55.tinypic.com/2n686u0.jpg
http://i52.tinypic.com/2elyws4.jpg
http://i53.tinypic.com/316w6li.jpg
http://i56.tinypic.com/15f4olu.jpg

AudiSportB5S4
06-17-2011, 07:29 AM
Looks good until 5500 then you're running into the low 11s and then 10s by redline.. I know that on my car Mike had to take the requested AFR and really bump it up up top so that it prevents exactly what you're seeing.

I'll post what I mean in a few seconds.

http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp352/AudiSportB5S4/ECUx%20Logs/AFR_Perfect.jpg

Corresponding O2 voltages. My wideband read 11.8-11.6 the whole range basically.

http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp352/AudiSportB5S4/ECUx%20Logs/O2Volts_Perfect.jpg

NOTORIOUS VR
06-17-2011, 07:42 AM
Looks good until 5500 then you're running into the low 11s and then 10s by redline.. I know that on my car Mike had to take the requested AFR and really bump it up up top so that it prevents exactly what you're seeing.

Yeah... that's what I'm talking about... can I see your inj on time and DC?

Also a before log with the issue still if you had would be pretty awesome too...

If that's all I have to do then cool...

But looking at other logs, for the most part the req. AFR is always flat... so there must be a correction they're doing else where in the file I'm guessing...

Thanks a lot man!

AudiSportB5S4
06-17-2011, 07:48 AM
Also a before log with the issue still if you had would be pretty awesome too...

I certainly have that at home but I'm at work now :(. Check your PMs

NOTORIOUS VR
06-17-2011, 01:43 PM
Woot! Time to hit the track! Will post results later tonight no matter what tune I run!

joemomma
06-17-2011, 03:36 PM
Good luck bro!!!

AudiSportB5S4
06-18-2011, 03:04 AM
He was so busy signing autographs he forgot to post!

NOTORIOUS VR
06-18-2011, 07:42 AM
He was so busy signing autographs he forgot to post!

LOL!

Well it was a late night from the track... quite eventful for a test and tune that's for sure. Tons of Audi's showed up (people I knew and didn't know).

I got to the track (1.5 hr drive), teched in, and went straight to the staging lines... Was all pumped, line up outside of the groove (didn't want too much traction ;) and launched around 3800-4000 on the upswing, wheels just spin and the tach goes straight to redline LOL.

Then I go to pack 2nd gear and this happens:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-a3UWgNj656s/TfwxdP8Z6pI/AAAAAAAAAq4/gbCq8jeWv-k/s720/2011-06-17%25252020.07.06.jpg

man was I confused... I didn't even understand what happened at that point and once I did I threw the pieces down, found 2nd and kept going... still beat the other guy with a 13.7 @ 116 lol.

Then just before I get to do my 2nd run, an Audi in front goes down the lane pops a coolant hose pretty much just after the 60' mark and drives the rest of the way down the track... intermission for 30 mins until they finally say it's no use and that land is closed.

So we're on a busy TT day with tons of cars and one lane... great.

I get to the line (other side this time), kinda go into the groove this time and launch around 4k again, tries again just fry (even worse) tach back to redline. I granny shift 1-2, and the rest I pack normally like I would on the street. Resulting in an ok-ish 12.5 @ 117 mph run. Someone PM'd me saying they have this run on video and will put it up on Youtube [:)]

I would have loved to go again on my daily tune (I was on my experimental tune that I made up this morning) but the line up was HUGE.

The tune I was on (with one with the fueling issues) was weird... on the street rolling on to it already in a gear it would pull like a train (more boost better AFR), but that the track the load was clearly different from packing gears @ redline, AFR's were horrid (WB showed 0.75-78 lambda) and boost was a max of 24psi.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/--ro11Ab4CH0/Tfy2u3Keh6I/AAAAAAAAArM/MsD4wzadaz4/s720/Slips.jpg

Hopefully I can get a solid tune in place for the next time!

Matt Danger
06-18-2011, 08:12 AM
Then just before I get to do my 2nd run, an Audi in front goes down the lane pops a coolant hose pretty much just after the 60' mark and drives the rest of the way down the track... intermission for 30 mins until they finally say it's no use and that land is closed.

People who do this suck and ruin everyone's night.

GarbatyA4
06-18-2011, 08:46 AM
Nice 2nd run Notorious, Your car pulled hard after you finished spinning first lol.

The a4 runied everyones night, including my buddy who was at the end of the line up in his new Mk6 GTI.

The FT s4 needed some practise.

Silver B7 S4 turned out a 13.2 which is nice.

NOTORIOUS VR
06-18-2011, 09:57 AM
Thanks lol... yea... too bad on them closing one lane.. it was really busy and the line ups were retarded after that.

either way it was a good evening though...

NOTORIOUS VR
06-19-2011, 05:21 PM
Here's a vid from that night of the track... horrible quality... but you can hear how badly and for how long I was spinning lol.

Modded B8 S4, then me then a modded B6 S4 (Sakimano)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buRYgzaxUH8

AudiSportB5S4
06-20-2011, 05:42 AM
Awesome man glad you had fun... Car definitely has 120+mph in it as you continue to dial in the tuning!

NOTORIOUS VR
06-20-2011, 10:34 AM
Awesome man glad you had fun... Car definitely has 120+mph in it as you continue to dial in the tuning!

oh for sure.. there is no doubt in my mind about that... but I know for a fact that I am already nearing my MAF limit, so I'm going to weigh my options on what to do next.

NOTORIOUS VR
06-24-2011, 10:06 AM
so all along it wasn't my 20k NGK's that were the issue.. yesterday the car developed the same misfire as a few weeks ago.. then I stumbled across this:
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/361806-Misfire-only-at-high-boost-but-no-cel-and-car-runs-fine-other-wise?p=6629262&viewfull=1#post6629262

which then dawned on me, I actually saw that on Cyl #1 of my last plugs.

AFter reading that post today, I brought the car in to my shop during lunch and pulled the plug from Cyl #1.. low and behold.... you can clearly see where the spark energy from the coil was travelling down the side of the ceramic (it actually etched not cracked the ceramic BTW).

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-9deOStQJIwE/TgTBCLfQSWI/AAAAAAAAAtI/E7rNfEvFw-U/s800/2011-06-24%25252012.31.54.jpg
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/--mIoP7pRPKs/TgTDhHIwumI/AAAAAAAAAtk/0UOS3S6j77E/s800/2011-06-24%25252013.03.07.jpg

I inspected my boost, but can't see anything wrong with it... but obviously there is a problem, so I had an extra coil pack and boot and swapped the boots.

I then took one of my old 7E's from2 changes ago (approx 35k km on them) regapped it and put it in.

I'm hoping that the misfires will be gone and stay gone after this.

Sole_
06-26-2011, 07:08 AM
so all along it wasn't my 20k NGK's that were the issue.. yesterday the car developed the same misfire as a few weeks ago.. then I stumbled across this:
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/361806-Misfire-only-at-high-boost-but-no-cel-and-car-runs-fine-other-wise?p=6629262&viewfull=1#post6629262

which then dawned on me, I actually saw that on Cyl #1 of my last plugs.

AFter reading that post today, I brought the car in to my shop during lunch and pulled the plug from Cyl #1.. low and behold.... you can clearly see where the spark energy from the coil was travelling down the side of the ceramic (it actually etched not cracked the ceramic BTW).

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-9deOStQJIwE/TgTBCLfQSWI/AAAAAAAAAtI/E7rNfEvFw-U/s800/2011-06-24%25252012.31.54.jpg
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/--mIoP7pRPKs/TgTDhHIwumI/AAAAAAAAAtk/0UOS3S6j77E/s800/2011-06-24%25252013.03.07.jpg

I inspected my boost, but can't see anything wrong with it... but obviously there is a problem, so I had an extra coil pack and boot and swapped the boots.

I then took one of my old 7E's from2 changes ago (approx 35k km on them) regapped it and put it in.

I'm hoping that the misfires will be gone and stay gone after this.

Exactly why I ran 15s on the 1/4mile lol fucking boot snapped right off. And my spark plug was toast.

NOTORIOUS VR
06-26-2011, 11:52 AM
Exactly why I ran 15s on the 1/4mile lol fucking boot snapped right off. And my spark plug was toast.

in my case there wasn't anything physically wrong with the boost that I could see.

But it did solve my problem, so I think I'm going to buy a new set of 6 boots,

NOTORIOUS VR
06-30-2011, 01:00 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPOvWk29LGA

Don Supreme
06-30-2011, 01:42 PM
Squirrelly baby!

diabolical1
07-04-2011, 06:59 AM
driving this thing, is it as violent as it looks and sounds from the outside?

NOTORIOUS VR
07-04-2011, 07:28 AM
It pulls pretty hard... but no it's still very smooth in terms of power delivery. I have a buddy who has a BT 1.8T (HTA 35) with cams, etc... in comparison his car has no power until 5k and then it hits hard... where with mine I'm making ~400 wtq @ 4k already (more then he ever makes at this point). One thing I did notice was that the car loves boost, so I really need to set a weekend aside and start trying to tune the load and boost controller properly and turn it up.

I also had a breakdown this long weekend... drove the car up north to a buddies cottage, car started to misfire pretty bad checked with VCDS and it was cyl #4... to I stayed out of boost for as much of the drive as possible and started to diagnose the next morning.

Swapped ICM plugs, no difference.

Swapped coils and boots for Cyl #4 and 5... after doing that I blew up the coil that went into position #4:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-YtdQ1U2CyOw/Tg9DAEUjdsI/AAAAAAAAAuU/PIkePswGN38/s720/2011-07-02%25252012.09.13.jpg

So I drive back home with my buddies car (2.25 hours one way) get some extra coil packs and ICM's and drive all the way back. Since we figured it was possibly an ICM (not thinking that a dead ICM shouldn't really cause a coil to melt) we swapped them both out (ICM) and put in a new coil... Start the car, car runs perfect... sweet so button everything up, try again just in case car is once again missing.

So now what... good thing my buddy @ the cottage had some tools there... started to poke around with a multimeter and the schematics open on my laptop tracing the ignition circuit... what do we find? A damn short to GND on the trigger wire from the ICM to the coil for cyl #4 (pin 1 @ the coil)... I guess the wire must have broke completely when I swapped the #4 and #5 coils...

Looking @ this 10+ year old engine hardness it's easy to see why this happened, the wire is very stiff and brittle and this situation will probably only start to get worse and worse. Time to look for a new harness! In the mean time we ran an overlay from the ICM plug to the coil plug and all is well right now.

Crazy weekend though!

AudiA4_20T
07-04-2011, 07:49 AM
I'm going through the same thing with the harness I got with my 2.7. I was moving an 02 sensor wire around and the harness just cracked lol

This is my next purchase

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Power-Probe-3-III-Full-Kit-Voltmeter-Accessories-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem519839b8edQQitemZ35044 6270701QQptZMotorsQ5fAutomotiveQ5fTools

You just hook up the poisitve and negative leads to the battery, and when you touch things it lights up red or green to let you know if the thing you're touching is a ground or voltage source, and the exact voltage shows up on the screen.

NOTORIOUS VR
07-04-2011, 08:53 AM
^^ I've used one of them before... It's ok.. but I still prefer just a plain old multimeter.

I'm gonna look into ordering a new engine harness...

Don Supreme
07-05-2011, 08:52 AM
^^ I've used one of them before... It's ok.. but I still prefer just a plain old multimeter.

I'm gonna look into ordering a new engine harness...

Let us know what you find.

NOTORIOUS VR
07-05-2011, 09:45 AM
Let us know what you find.

I've found that it's stupid expensive lol...

$1400 CND list... plus tax it's just over $1600...

With a mechanics discount It was still something like $1000 or 1100...

So, screw that... I will eventually order 6 Hitachi CP's and pigtails and rewire to use them as they're cheaper to replace then our original coils by a large amount and supposedly supposed to be better. We'll see about the last part. But I will def do a write up on how I did the conversion.

AudiA4_20T
07-05-2011, 09:47 AM
^^ I've used one of them before... It's ok.. but I still prefer just a plain old multimeter.

I'm gonna look into ordering a new engine harness...

Audis4parts.com told me they sell them for ~$100 USD

NOTORIOUS VR
07-05-2011, 10:03 AM
Audis4parts.com told me they sell them for ~$100 USD

yes but used... and at this time they're all going to be a heat soaked 10 year old harness [:(]

Don Supreme
07-05-2011, 11:42 AM
I've found that it's stupid expensive lol...

$1400 CND list... plus tax it's just over $1600...

With a mechanics discount It was still something like $1000 or 1100...

So, screw that... I will eventually order 6 Hitachi CP's and pigtails and rewire to use them as they're cheaper to replace then our original coils by a large amount and supposedly supposed to be better. We'll see about the last part. But I will def do a write up on how I did the conversion.

Yeah, thats what I thought. I knew an engine harness would be mad expensive.. and used doesn't sound like a great idea given the average age of these cars and other factors.


yes but used... and at this time they're all going to be a heat soaked 10 year old harness [:(]

ahhh, i saw this post after... My thoughts exactly.

NOTORIOUS VR
07-13-2011, 01:40 PM
Well I've penciled in a July 27th track day... hopefully it's not going to be stupid hot out and no rain.

This time I'll be running my normal DD tune, but with ALS and NLS active... and hopefully I remember to glue my shift knob together before going [:p]

Don Supreme
07-13-2011, 01:50 PM
Well I've penciled in a July 27th track day... hopefully it's not going to be stupid hot out and no rain.

This time I'll be running my normal DD tune, but with ALS and NLS active... and hopefully I remember to glue my shift knob together before going [:p]

Have you been improving the DD tune or just left it as is?

michael66899
07-13-2011, 03:31 PM
I just saw your post about the coil blowing up, had the exact same issue with my car and it turned out to be a short in the wire between the ICM and the coil on #6. Soldered in a new wire and its run great ever since.