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Angular
03-02-2011, 08:44 PM
Introduction and background...

While some people may look at my AZ join date and think of me as a "noob", the fact is that I've owned my 2002 S4 Avant since April of 2003 and logged about 100K miles in the driver seat. The fact is I have designed, built and tuned a GT based turbo system back in my VW days, so I have at least a little bit of a clue about what projects like this entail. The fact is I have a funny little problem called "DIY disease". [:p] Whether it's building giant subwoofers, high end road bikes, PCs, or turbocharged cars... sometimes I get a little carried away, and sometimes I wind up doing it THE HARD WAY. So I think that's the perfect theme for this project and build thread! [>_<]

I bought my S4 shortly after becoming a father and deciding to sell my Honda CBR1100XX (crotch rocket). The '88 Scirocco 16V 2.0 turbo wasn't much of a family car and frankly I was just plain sick FWD and wheelspin. Having owned Passat wagons in the past, I liked the idea of an Avant: a car that's practical, versatile, relatively safe (ABS, airbags, etc.) and somewhat of a sleeper with some real performance potential. So it wasn't long before the B5 S4 bubbled to the top of my list and became the inevitable car of choice for my puporses: a twin-turbo all-wheel-drive 300HP grocery getter. What's not to love?! I wound up locating a Santorin 6MT Avant in Wisconsin with just 22K miles on it and so I flew there to buy it and drive it home. I managed to get the car home without completely destroying it but not before a large truck tire retread appeared out of the darkness on I-90 and did $2500+ worth of damage to the front end.

"Old & busted"
http://s16v.com/photos/2003/04-21/P4210045m.JPG

That quickly put me on the path to getting an RS4 bumper, which put me on the path to getting RS4 front fenders, and so on... and so on... until finally I wound up doing the whole bloody widebody conversion with a lot of encouragement from the hooligans on AudiWorld, Josh Decker @ Achtuning sourcing the parts, and Queen City Auto Rebuild of Redmond, WA, doing the body work.

"The New Hotness"
http://s16v.com/photos/2004/10-02/IMG_1314_crop_resize.jpg

That pretty much wiped me out financially, so I concluded the performance mods would have to be minimal. I'd just chip it and drive it until the K03s blew. Well, to make a long story a little less long... those pesky little K03s never blew! But one of them is leaking a bit of oil into the intake and my clutch started slipping, so finally...

THE TIME HAS COME. [:d]

My S4 as it is today after 7 years of daily driving since the widebody conversion:
http://s16v.com/photos/2011/01-19/IMAG0171c.jpg

Now if I wuz a smart man...

I'd just buy a VAST GT kit or drop the car off at AMD and get it all TiAL'ed up. But due to the dreaded disease I just gotta be "different". My power goals aren't all that lofty but I've been wanting to upgrade to GT turbos of some kind for a long time and decided that old school journal bearing turbos were out of the question. In a nutshell my performance goals are: better than K04 power with good efficiency and decent spool. If I could make 450 AWHP on straight 92 octane pump with a healthy torque curve, I'd be pretty happy. I think I'll be pretty happy no matter what, but the fun part will be seeing what kind of power to boost ratio and spool characterstics I can get out of this build. After studying compressor maps like a mental patient and flirting with the idea of BorgWarner EFR or TiAL turbos, I finally decided on the GT2859R because it has a high efficiency compressor stage that was designed for an engine not entirely unlike the 2.7T: the 2.6 liter twin-turbo 6-cylinder Skyline R34. I believe this particular turbo offers the greatest overall efficiency among GT25 and GT28 models capable of 30-35 lb/min airflow from surge line to choke line. It also uses a smaller trim version of the improved NS-111 turbine wheel (compared to GT25) which in theory should offer decent spool and exhaust side efficiency.

Current mods:

RS4 Avant Widebody Conversion
Flik Artic 18x8.5 wheels spaced to ET20
255/35/18 Toyo T1-R tires
Stasis Street Sport coilovers
AMS chip
Forge 3" exhaust

Planned mods and parts list for "the build": (TBD = To Be Determined)

Turbochargers: Garrett GT2859R
Exhaust manifolds: Custom tubular, 304 SS, Schedule 10 pipe, CNC'd flanges by Sam@BMCRace
Downpipes: TBD... Custom/DIY or VAST or ? with V-band connections & high flow cats.
Cat back: Custom/DIY 3.5" single 304 SS 16 ga
Intercoolers: Wagner RS4 w/carbon fiber shrouds
Inlet piping: TBD... Custom/DIY or ?
Bi-pipes: TBD... Custom/DIY or VAST/ARD or ?
Cold air intake: TBD
Fueling & tune: AMD/EPL with single in-tank Bosch 044
Meth: Aquamist HFS-3
Clutch: TBD... CM FX850 or ??
Clutch slave: VAST metal slave unit w/stainless line

Other upgrades & replacement parts:

Control arms: 034 adjustable uppers & street density lowers
Tie rods: 034 heavy duty tie rod ends
Engine mounts: OEM RS4
Snub mount: VAST
Cooling: VAST medium flow EFK

Wish list:

JHM solid shifter kit
Transmission mounts
Rear diff mounts
350mm Cayenne Caliper BBK up front
Some kind of BBK for the rear
Forgestar F14 18x9 wheels

Angular
03-02-2011, 08:45 PM
Parts is parts:
http://s16v.com/photos/2011/03-01/P1010115_resize.JPG

Brain lube:
http://s16v.com/photos/2011/03-01/P1010118_resize.JPG

$2500+ in recent tool purchases... welder, bandsaw, accessories:
http://s16v.com/photos/2011/03-01/P1010121_resize.JPG

LET THERE BE LIGHT. And there was light:
http://s16v.com/photos/2011/03-01/P1010123_resize.JPG

Ready to weld! (easier said than done... that's for damn sure)
http://s16v.com/photos/2011/02-18/P1010102_resize.JPG

Random turbo pics:
http://s16v.com/photos/2010/12-17/IMAG0166_resize.jpg
http://s16v.com/photos/2010/12-17/P1010060_resize.jpg
http://s16v.com/photos/2010/12-17/P1010067_resize.jpg

NYEuroTuner
03-02-2011, 09:25 PM
Nice build. Cant wait to see it finished, it seems everyone is getting a Wagon these days, after seeing a few built I wont lie I am starting to favor the Avants as well.

[up] To your build, dont forget to take lots of pics and for gods sake take some good videos as well..lol

nefkntym
03-02-2011, 09:41 PM
Very nice, Avant is the way to go. I can appreciate the DIY attitude. I am the same way, I am getting ready to start my build in a few weeks. I still need to get a welder too.

That's a nice avatar you got there George :)

Angular
03-02-2011, 09:53 PM
Nice build. Cant wait to see it finished, it seems everyone is getting a Wagon these days, after seeing a few built I wont lie I am starting to favor the Avants as well.

The nice thing about Avants is that they can haul nearly anything... groceries, kids, bicycles, 55" LCD HDTVs, coworkers, 400+ pounds of MDF...

http://s16v.com/photos/2007/10-06/IMG_0859_resized.jpg

... and most importantly... haul ass too! [;)]

MAKK
03-02-2011, 10:49 PM
Good luck with the build buddy! Let me know if you need any fab help, I can always come over on a weekend and lend a hand.

Angular
03-03-2011, 08:45 AM
Thanks, Scott... I might just do that!

Forgot to mention that for "Phase 1" of this project, there are not going to be any mods done to the engine. It's a big enough project as it is so I'm going to follow the ol' "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" rule as far as that is concerned. The plan is to tune the car to a level that is safe with the stock rods and see how long I stay happy with that amount of power. If I decide I need more, more, MOAR... I'll probably buy a used engine that I can tear down and convert to 3L as time & money permit.

NYEuroTuner
03-03-2011, 08:51 AM
The nice thing about Avants is that they can haul nearly anything... groceries, kids, bicycles, 55" LCD HDTVs, coworkers, 400+ pounds of MDF...

... and most importantly... haul ass too! [;)]

Indeed, Avants are def growing on me.




That's a nice avatar you got there George :)

hehe.. [:D]

eastcoastjettin
03-03-2011, 08:56 AM
subscribed!

gearhead1186
03-03-2011, 09:27 AM
glad you started a build thread. ill be following closely. too bad your on the other side of the country. sounds like we'd get along pretty well.

Evilevo
03-03-2011, 09:40 AM
Looks good man! Can't wait to see how those GT2859R turbos do, they seem like a decent option.

Shameless Plug: If you are looking for a twin disc and want a Tilton, I still have mine for sale.

[:D]

Jason@Addict
03-03-2011, 09:43 AM
and it begins...

AudiA4_20T
03-03-2011, 10:04 AM
I must say, when you first started asking everyone and their Mom questions about inducer sizes and turbine wheels I thought you were all talk, but this is going to be a cool project

Angular
03-03-2011, 11:16 AM
Thanks. I know I've irked a few people here on AZ with my obsessing over turbine wheels and compressor maps and whatnot, but I felt it was necessary to do as much research as possible before embarking upon a $15K+ project. If somebody tells me "TiAL is the best" I'm going to ask why that is and a lot of other potentially annoying questions. It's not that I don't respect the opinions of people who have tons more experience building and tuning 2.7T cars than I do. I just have a need to know how & why things work or perform the way they do. I'm never satisfied when people state things as "fact" without little to no explanation or data to back up the claim. Attitudes aside, that kind of thing doesn't help me learn as much as I'd like to learn.

That said... I do very much appreciate all the information, advice and encouragement I've gotten from folks here on AZ including Johnny Bravo, Jason@AMD, gearhead1186, Jibberjive, EvilEvo and many others! [up]

jibberjive
03-03-2011, 11:36 AM
Looking forward to it!

Angular
03-04-2011, 10:31 AM
Looking forward to it!

Me too! But I think I just had a little setback...

http://s16v.com/photos/2011/03-04/IMAG0223.jpg

A new Audi has joined the stable. I call the color "Arrest Me" Red. The wife gets the shiny new-to-us A4, and I get to drive the ol' Honda Accord until my project is done.

michael66899
03-04-2011, 07:20 PM
Nice pick up man I've always been a big fan of the B7s. I'd like to pick up a B7 Avant when I graduate as a nice DD, those little 2.0T are pretty cool motors and respond very well to a mild turbo upgrade. Also just wanted to say sorry again for bailing on those flanges, I'm getting mine made out of mild anyways.

Angular
03-04-2011, 08:02 PM
Can't say I'm happy about being out the $235 until I can find another buyer for the 2nd set of flanges, but I'm not gonna dwell on it.

I'd get another Avant and a six speed manual in a heartbeat if the car was for me, but my goal here was to convert my wife over to the "dark side". [evilsmile] I had to confess that Audis aren't quite as reliable and maintenance free as her trusty old Honda Accord, but the Quattro all-wheel-drive was a major selling point for her and she really likes the red! I like the 2.0T of course and certainly don't mind a newish Audi sedan to share on the weekends. [:)] It was a pretty good deal too... knock on wood. 66K miles, 2nd owner, APR software, HID fogs, and a fresh set of Blizzaks included for a little over $15K. Borrowed $12K, so it cost me about $4625 out of pocket for the difference including tax.

Now I'm just waiting on some tax forms from my employer so I can file my return and get a pretty substantial refund from the IRS. After that I'll be able to move forward with some of the bigger S4 project expenditures like fueling, clutch and exhaust. Depending on how the welding/fabrication aspect of this project goes, I would be very happy if it was done in June of this year.

Mantis
03-05-2011, 07:04 AM
Me too! But I think I just had a little setback...

http://s16v.com/photos/2011/03-04/IMAG0223.jpg

A new Audi has joined the stable. I call the color "Arrest Me" Red. The wife gets the shiny new-to-us A4, and I get to drive the ol' Honda Accord until my project is done.

That's funny, same thing happened to me twice. I should be putting extra cash into my A6 single turbo project, but when a good deal comes up (wife's A4)(Imola for me) I just can't say no. There is not a day that I don't look at those cars and think how more badass the A6 project would be without them in my life.

DonnieDark0
03-05-2011, 08:17 AM
love this thread! subscribed

Angular
03-06-2011, 08:56 PM
I don't know if this represents progress so much as it does 10 pounds of shit in a 2 pound bag (garage), but a few days ago getting both cars into the garage at the same time was unthinkable!

http://s16v.com/photos/2011/03-06/P1010151_resize.JPG

I still have a lot of cleaning and organizing to do before the S4 goes up on jackstands for the motor pull. I'd guess I'm a few weeks out still.

Angular
03-06-2011, 09:01 PM
Getting back to the actual build...

I'm still undecided on the clutch. Any opinions? Leaning toward the CM FX850 but $2500 is a pretty big chunk of change, and I am told even that clutch won't last very long before it needs a rebuild. And the "bright side" is that it costs only $400 in parts for the first rebuild. I'm more inclined to go with the kevlar discs, or whatever it is that's more street friendly, which will probably shorten the service interval.

So what other options are there that will hold the power/torque, last more than 20K miles, be easy to drive, and not cost an arm/leg?? This isn't a track car and I will only be making as much power/torque as the stock rods will allow for the first go 'round. Is a single disc clutch completely out of the question?

I am still waiting for more info on the SPEC twin carbon clutch 034 is developing.

Evilevo
03-07-2011, 08:46 PM
Getting back to the actual build...

I'm still undecided on the clutch. Any opinions? Leaning toward the CM FX850 but $2500 is a pretty big chunk of change, and I am told even that clutch won't last very long before it needs a rebuild. And the "bright side" is that it costs only $400 in parts for the first rebuild. I'm more inclined to go with the kevlar discs, or whatever it is that's more street friendly, which will probably shorten the service interval.

So what other options are there that will hold the power/torque, last more than 20K miles, be easy to drive, and not cost an arm/leg?? This isn't a track car and I will only be making as much power/torque as the stock rods will allow for the first go 'round. Is a single disc clutch completely out of the question?

I am still waiting for more info on the SPEC twin carbon clutch 034 is developing.

You can run a Southbend stage 4 extreme like I am. Rated for 750tq.

Or if you want a twin that'll take abuse, my fresh rebuilt Tilton and flywheel for. $1500. [:)]

But seriously, I need to get rid of this thing so I can have money to finish my car. Ha.

AudiA4_20T
03-07-2011, 08:50 PM
Question, why do a $15k widebody and run $500 wheels?

Angular
03-07-2011, 09:04 PM
The wheels were $185 each at the time and the answer to your question is: the purchase of the car and the subsequent widebody conversion wiped me out financially for a while, so I had to cut a few corners. I actually think it's a pretty good looking wheel for the price and affordable 18x8.5 wheel options were limited.

The real question is, why am I still running them? http://s16v.com/misc/wat.gif

AudiA4_20T
03-07-2011, 09:05 PM
The wheels were $185 each at the time and the answer to your question is: the purchase of the car and the subsequent widebody conversion wiped me out financially for a while, so I had to cut a few corners. Why I'm still running them, I have no idea. [:p]

Understand. makes sense. I just think some properly fit 18" silver Iforged (or something similar) wheels would really make the car perfect

Angular
03-07-2011, 09:11 PM
Damn, you quoted me before the edit! Haha. [:D]


You can run a Southbend stage 4 extreme like I am. Rated for 750tq.

Or if you want a twin that'll take abuse, my fresh rebuilt Tilton and flywheel for. $1500. [:)]

But seriously, I need to get rid of this thing so I can have money to finish my car. Ha.

How's the drivability (engagement) and expected lifespan on the SB Stage 4 extreme? Also, can you a'splain to me again why you're not running the Tilton twin? I probably read about it a couple months ago but I forget. (Sorry. Old age.)

Angular
03-07-2011, 09:17 PM
Understand. makes sense. I just think some properly fit 18" silver Iforged (or something similar) wheels would really make the car perfect

I hear ya. Once again I'm at a point where finances are limited and I have other big ticket items like the clutch I have to address first. I'm leaning toward a set of Forgestar F14 wheels right now because A> aesthetically they're acceptable, B> available in custom bolt pattern & offset (ET20, please!), very lightweight (18.2 pounds for 18x10), and affordable at $1400 a set. Value wise, they seem hard to beat.

Wish they were still available with the machined face, as in this picture:

http://www.modbargains.com/images/Products/Forgestar%20Wheels/audittorange3.jpg

jibberjive
03-07-2011, 09:34 PM
Those wheels could look good, just make sure they're way wider than 8.5" ha.

Angular
03-07-2011, 09:54 PM
Basically the choices for ET20 are 18x9 or 18x10. Not sure if 10" wide and ET20 would fit right and look right, though. I'm not going to have the rims stick out beyond the RS4 fender arches, nor am I going for the "stretched" (tire) look. I'm 40 years old. Does that explain it? [>_<]

shorterthanrich
03-10-2011, 12:34 PM
Wow man, subscribed!

wdbdy2000s4
03-10-2011, 01:48 PM
Basically the choices for ET20 are 18x9 or 18x10. Not sure if 10" wide and ET20 would fit right and look right, though. I'm not going to have the rims stick out beyond the RS4 fender arches, nor am I going for the "stretched" (tire) look. I'm 40 years old. Does that explain it? [>_<]
18x10 ET20 would probably be the best of those 2 options. An 18x9 ET20 fits on a stock body so you would be tucked pretty hard on the RS4 fenders.

Capt. Obvious
03-10-2011, 03:03 PM
Basically the choices for ET20 are 18x9 or 18x10. Not sure if 10" wide and ET20 would fit right and look right, though. I'm not going to have the rims stick out beyond the RS4 fender arches, nor am I going for the "stretched" (tire) look. I'm 40 years old. Does that explain it? [>_<]
18x10 et20 all around with 255/35s will be pretty much perfect for the look you're going for on your car. They'll be fairly flush with the fenders without poking or rubbing (especially since your car isn't lowered a whole lot) and you'll have plenty of meat on the tires for the power you plan to put down.

michael66899
03-10-2011, 05:49 PM
^255s are weak I'll be running 255s on my narrow body, 275s or bust!

Capt. Obvious
03-10-2011, 06:05 PM
255s are weak I'll be running 255s on my narrow body
You too, huh? [;)]

Angular
03-10-2011, 07:13 PM
18x10 et20 all around with 255/35s will be pretty much perfect for the look you're going for on your car. They'll be fairly flush with the fenders without poking or rubbing (especially since your car isn't lowered a whole lot) and you'll have plenty of meat on the tires for the power you plan to put down.

Thanks for the input. Sounds like that's the way to go. Wasn't sure if there is any potential issue with rubbing on the uprights, etc. Wouldn't want to go beyond (lower than) ET20.


^255s are weak I'll be running 255s on my narrow body, 275s or bust!

The problem with 275s on an 18 inch rim is there aren't any tire sizes readily available that are the correct diameter/rolling radius. Also this is daily driven street car, not a track car. Steering is heavy enough as it is with 255s and ET20. I'll have to just wait and see how bad the wheelspin is once the new turbos are in. Then I might be changing my tune about the 275s.

Capt. Obvious
03-10-2011, 07:29 PM
Thanks for the input. Sounds like that's the way to go. Wasn't sure if there is any potential issue with rubbing on the uprights, etc. Wouldn't want to go beyond (lower than) ET20.
You won't even be close to the uprights. [up]

I'll be running 18x10 et33 in the front on my car and THAT'S close to the uprights. [:)]

DolphinV8
03-10-2011, 09:08 PM
ET20 will be fine.
http://home.comcast.net/~yang0627/bbsch4.jpg

I run 265s without any problem, and I think I can even run 275/30/19 Conti DWS.

My 19x10 ET20. Looks like I can still go lower on the offset? et18 maybe?
http://home.comcast.net/~yang0627/eugene9.jpg

WMi_S4
03-10-2011, 11:06 PM
You won't even be close to the uprights. [up]

I'll be running 18x10 et33 in the front on my car and THAT'S close to the uprights. [:)]

You are NB avant, correct? Wdbdy, I have seen you making several posts (mainly on QW) about running 18x9 and 18x10 wheels on your NB sedan, from the noggy pic you posted on QW it didn't look like a whole lot of pulling to the fenders was done (compared to say Das' car for example)...how much are you pulling your fenders to fit that wide of a wheel on a stock body S4 (Capt Obvious, same ? if you can provide some insight). Are you sacrificing some rub on the fenders to run such a wide wheel, do you drive like a granny to prevent rubbing or are you pulling the hell out of the fenders?

wdbdy2000s4
03-11-2011, 05:44 AM
You are NB avant, correct? Wdbdy, I have seen you making several posts (mainly on QW) about running 18x9 and 18x10 wheels on your NB sedan, from the noggy pic you posted on QW it didn't look like a whole lot of pulling to the fenders was done (compared to say Das' car for example)...how much are you pulling your fenders to fit that wide of a wheel on a stock body S4 (Capt Obvious, same ? if you can provide some insight). Are you sacrificing some rub on the fenders to run such a wide wheel, do you drive like a granny to prevent rubbing or are you pulling the hell out of the fenders?
That blue car wasn't mine. My fenders are more in line with Das's car. I don't really drive it though so rubbing isn't an issue. haha

18x9 ET30-35 will fit pretty easily on a narrow body. You might have to do a very minor roll on the fenders though to go super low.
18x10 ET25-ET30 will fit depending on which uprights you have, but you'll need to do a fairly serious roll. I'll post a few pictures in the staggered thread of test fitting 10s and 11s on a stock body when I get home later. I've thread jacked enough here.

wan2play
03-13-2011, 04:32 PM
Great build and I hope you ahve fun doing it.

Just one recommendation...Get ERs...Rs4 ICs barely hang with Ko4s.

Angular
03-13-2011, 08:06 PM
Thanks. I'm going to be running the Wagner RS4 ICs (http://www.wagner-tuning.de/EN/products/llkRS4.php) which are substantially larger than the OEM RS4 units.

http://www.wagner-tuning.de/images/produkte/RS4LLKKIT/200001004-1-640.jpg

There are mixed reports about how well these perform compared to ERs which are thicker. There's a whole thread about it (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/388690-ER-vs-Wagner-(RS4-version)), actually. My gut feeling is that the Wagner's will perform adequately. My only potential problem is that "adequate" doesn't really jive with the premium price 034 is selling them for. ERs are likely the better value.

AwdOwns
03-13-2011, 08:40 PM
Why not just run Jason's units from Amd?

Angular
03-13-2011, 08:47 PM
OK. You buy my Wagner's and it's a deal. [:D]

In all seriousness, I think I acted too hastily in purchasing the Wagners. If I had to do over again, I might wind up going with ER, AMD, or maybe some homebrew ICs. Who knows. I do like the carbon fiber shrouds that ER and Wagners come with. And the Wagners are custom tailored to the RS4 bumper. The cast end tanks are pretty nice, more of an OEM feel than the other options.

DolphinV8
03-13-2011, 09:54 PM
Good choice!
ER CF shrouds suck. Require tons of work to fit behind the RS4 bumper.

Soopaman15
03-16-2011, 08:38 AM
PM me how much you want for the Wagner's

Angular
03-16-2011, 10:07 PM
Not for sale (yet). I don't feel like taking a big loss on them either, so I'll probably just install them and see how the IATs look. Also keep in mind the Wagner RS4 units only fit cars with RS4 bumper and RS4 front fenders.

Angular
03-22-2011, 03:31 PM
Minor update: VAST EFK, snub mount, and metal clutch slave arrived and added to "the pile". I have been working on finance issues, turning over rocks, looking for the green to fund the remainder of this project. In the midst of fixing some things on my sister's A4 now. Still need to do some more clearning/organizing in the garage, so the plan is to tear the S4 apart in April. I guess that's when the REAL 'fun' begins!

Angular
04-08-2011, 08:50 AM
I got my financing worked out, so the "money spigot" is offically back open and I'm shopping for parts & materials.

Right now I'm waffling on how to do the inlet pipes. Aluminum or stainless steel? 'Standard' 2.25" like everybody else or try to make 2.5" tubing fit? What do you guys think? I do loves me some stainless (looooong time) still but it is more expensive and heavier. The thinner walled stuff (18 ga, .049 inch) is a bit harder to find too.

Here's another off the wall and totally wacky idea: v-band the inlet pipes? Instead of a silicone coupler in the middle of the pipe, how about a v-band? Would the seal be good enough? Probably won't do it, but the thought did cross my mind. [:)]

Other things I'm shopping: mandrel bends... 3" for downpipes and 3.5" for the cat-back. And high-flow metal core catalytic converters (at a reasonable price... $200 ea or less). Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Angular
04-08-2011, 04:03 PM
3" V-bands kits arrived. Not bad for $40 a pop. Notice the stepped male/female interface.

http://s16v.com/photos/2011/04-08/IMAG0232_resize.jpg

http://s16v.com/photos/2011/04-08/IMAG0233_resize.jpg

gearhead1186
04-08-2011, 08:36 PM
I got my financing worked out, so the "money spigot" is offically back open and I'm shopping for parts & materials.

Right now I'm waffling on how to do the inlet pipes. Aluminum or stainless steel? 'Standard' 2.25" like everybody else or try to make 2.5" tubing fit? What do you guys think? I do loves me some stainless (looooong time) still but it is more expensive and heavier. The thinner walled stuff (18 ga, .049 inch) is a bit harder to find too.

Here's another off the wall and totally wacky idea: v-band the inlet pipes? Instead of a silicone coupler in the middle of the pipe, how about a v-band? Would the seal be good enough? Probably won't do it, but the thought did cross my mind. [:)]

Other things I'm shopping: mandrel bends... 3" for downpipes and 3.5" for the cat-back. And high-flow metal core catalytic converters (at a reasonable price... $200 ea or less). Any suggestions would be appreciated.

I vote 2.5" aluminum inlets matching a 2.5" Y pipe.

AudiA4_20T
04-14-2011, 11:55 AM
That lip helps a lot we used them a bunch when I worked at RAI

michael66899
04-15-2011, 11:39 AM
Very nice, where did you get the V-bands at?

Angular
04-18-2011, 09:42 PM
Very nice, where did you get the V-bands at?

China's finest, baby! Right off eBay. [:p] They look & feel fantastic for the price. Hopefully there won't be any unpleasant surprises down the road.

More parts showed up today. Compressor inlet & outlet adapters, 5 bolt flanges, wastegates, 3" & 3.5" mandrel bends...

http://s16v.com/photos/2011/04-18/P1010182_resize.JPG

Box o' mandrel bends...

http://s16v.com/photos/2011/04-18/P1010181_resize.JPG

Mufflers, cats, and AN hoses & fittings due in tomorrow! [:)]

cjk
04-18-2011, 10:58 PM
Nice parts man :)

Why isn't this in the build thread section??

jibberjive
04-19-2011, 03:13 AM
Nice man! So did you go with the ATP adapters, and how do they look? What cats did you go with? I've got to buy some myself, and haven't decided what to do yet.

Angular
04-19-2011, 04:29 AM
Yeah, the big box I got yesterday was from ATP. 2.5" compressor inlet adapter and 2" outlet adapter with 1/8" NPT port... both are o-ringed and look good. GT28 style 20-22 PSI WG acutators. -4 AN oil fittings (with restrictor). 5 bolt flanges (mild steel but oh well). 3" oval to round adapters.

The 3" mandrel bends and straight pipe are OK but the 3.5" stuff is crap. Not only is it 18 gauge, even though I specifically asked and was told everything is 16 gauge before I ordered, the wall thickness varies and some of the pipes aren't exactly what I'd call round. So those pieces gotta go back.

Mufflers are going to be 3.5" Magnaflow race (per Jason@AMD's recommendation) and the cats will be the Vibrant 3" metal core units. I'd rather have the Random Technology 100 cell race cats but they're nearly 3X the price ($280 vs. $105). The Vibrant cats are supposed to be 200 cell (although I've seen them referred to as 200 some places and 300 others) and a 5" diameter body so they should perform OK (if the 578 CFM rating means anything!). I will probably order two more v-band clamp kits so I can make test pipes to go in place of the cats to determine just how much HP they're costing me.

jibberjive
04-20-2011, 09:06 AM
So you decided to try to go with the internal wastegates then? Good deal on the cats, I'll prob steal your parts on that, but I'm for sure going to be running them with v-bands and swappable test pipes, because I'm going to be running E85 and the cats are just for the visual inspection for registration, and at some race events. $105 isn't bad at all.

Angular
04-20-2011, 09:26 PM
Yeah, internal gates. It will be challenging to make the actuators fit but at this point I can't see any good reason to run external gates.

jibberjive
04-20-2011, 09:49 PM
You should've snagged my GT wastegate actuators, they're literally brand new and sitting on the shelf ha[;)]

Angular
04-20-2011, 09:52 PM
You're a real funny guy! [:p] Only problem is the stock ones are like 7 PSI. I'm going to test these with a hand pressure/vac pump and also a fish scale to determine spring rate and cracking pressure. I was thinking about running the same actuators as TiAL uses, but I'd like the option of running less (than 19 PSI) of boost if I want to. There's always a tradeoff involved and there's a "rule of thumb" that the cracking pressure should be 1/2 of your max boost.

Angular
04-27-2011, 08:58 PM
It would seem AMD has raised the bar with 2.75" inlets, therefore making 2.5 inch pipe fit should be child's play.

Here's a picture for illustration. 2.5" pipe next to stock.

http://s16v.com/photos/2011/04-27/P1010196_resize.JPG

Another pic. Test fitting some of the plumbing...

http://s16v.com/photos/2011/04-27/P1010192_resize.JPG

diabolical1
05-02-2011, 07:51 PM
you sound excited about this, as you should be. i will definitely be keeping tabs on this build. your car looks gorgeous and now it should boast some serious muscle to boot.

Angular
05-04-2011, 10:25 AM
Thanks. After 8 years, I still love the car and find it hard to imagine driving anything else other than a widebody Avant. [:)]

I tend to vasilate between "excited" and overwhelmed with this project. It's going to be a hell of a lot of work and a great big ol' pile of money! But hopefully the results will be worth it and I'll come out on the other end having learned a few things and achieved one of my long time (day)dreams... buying a TIG welder and learning to weld.

So... moving forward... I picked up two Magnaflow 3.5" race mufflers for the exhaust and have been deliberating/waffling on what to do for an exhaust tip. Here's an idea I'm kicking around... 4" x 6" oval tip by Ractive.

http://s16v.com/photos/2011/05-03/IMAG0255_resize.jpg

http://s16v.com/photos/2011/05-03/IMAG0251_resize.jpg

http://s16v.com/photos/2011/05-03/IMAG0252_resize.jpg

Monster truck exhaust tip FTW? [:p]

Angular
05-04-2011, 10:30 AM
Here's a shot of the rear bumper and existing exhaust tips. For reference the dual tips on there now are 3 inch (each) and the "cutout" in the bumper is about 9 inches wide, 7 inches if you don't count the curved transitions on either side. Not sure how the big oval tip will look, but I'll be sure to post pics when I get a chance to mock it up, test fit.

http://s16v.com/photos/2011/04-24/P1010186_resize.JPG

Angular
05-04-2011, 09:26 PM
2.5" aluminum inlet piping. All this for $100 shipped. As long as it welds up OK, helluva deal.

http://s16v.com/photos/2011/05-04/P1010198_resize.JPG

Angular
05-07-2011, 09:53 PM
Trying to clean & organize out in the garage. Assembled a new shelf and loaded it up with goodies. I call it THE TOWER OF POWER. [:p]

http://s16v.com/photos/2011/05-07/P1010199_resize.jpg

jibberjive
05-08-2011, 12:08 AM
Nice. Got that rack from Costco, yeah? Almost bought the same one myself, but settled on one half the price without the wheels. I think stuffing the 2.5" inlets is going to be tougher than you expect, but best of luck!

nefkntym
05-08-2011, 07:44 AM
Trying to clean & organize out in the garage. Assembled a new shelf and loaded it up with goodies. I call it THE TOWER OF POWER. [:p]

http://s16v.com/photos/2011/05-07/P1010199_resize.jpg

Good thinking, I picked two of those for the build parts that are going into my Avant. I got the diamond black ones from Walmart.

Angular
05-22-2011, 11:30 AM
Nice. Got that rack from Costco, yeah? Almost bought the same one myself, but settled on one half the price without the wheels. I think stuffing the 2.5" inlets is going to be tougher than you expect, but best of luck!

Yep, the rack is from Costco and I'm quite happy with the purchase. Having it on wheels is a big plus for me with the cramped quarters in my garage. The 2.5" inlets won't be TOO bad. The driver's side is probably going to be the most challenging, but I know they will fit. In fact, I was up at AMD yesterday and got a glimpse of 2.75" inlets on a customer's car. Talk about big! The compressor wheels those inlets were going to are equally obscene. [:D]

Moving along with the build: yesterday I finally plunked down some cash and officially ordered a CM FX850 clutch in full kevlar (Fiber Tough or whatever they call it), EPL GT fueling kit, Aquamist HFS-3, and in-tank 044 fuel pump kit. The biggest thing holding me back from putting the car up on stands and ripping it apart now is just cleaning & organizing the garage.

Angular
06-09-2011, 11:08 PM
Delays, delays. I'm going to roll the S4 down to the State Farm claims office tomorrow to get some hit & run parking lot damage evaluated. Apparently they'll cut me a check right on the spot for it and then I can schedule with the body shop of my choice.

Beyond that I've been busy with work and cycling (road bike (http://s16v.com/photos/2010/08-03/IMG_1479_resize.JPG)) now that the weather is halfway decent. Doing a 90 mile ride up to Mt. Rainier on Saturday. After several revisions to my "tune", here's my dyno chart for today...

http://s16v.com/photos/2011/06-09/703watts-25seconds.png

This is why a bicycle can never be a true substitute for a powered vehicle. I can make all of 1 horsepower for about 20 seconds! Thankfully this is just something I do for fun. [:)]

Anyway... I'm hoping the build will really get going by the end of the month. My wife is taking a short trip to visit friends in California, so I'll probably take some time off work that week and focus on the car.

Angular
06-22-2011, 11:22 AM
S4 is in the body shop now getting the left-rear fender fixed...

http://s16v.com/s4/Ouch_IMG_1002_resize.JPG

http://s16v.com/s4/Ouch_IMG_1003_resize.JPG

Should be done by Friday. Wish I could afford a full respray but this will at least keep me from cringing every time I see it.

Eurotuned_A4
07-25-2011, 12:18 PM
Nice build. Im surprised I have never seen your car around. You should bring it out to Waterwerks in 2 weeks.

Angular
07-27-2011, 12:31 PM
Thanks. I spend most of my time on the South end, between Federal Way and Tacoma. Haven't driven the S4 much in the past 7+ months. It still drives but not sure if I'll be doing Waterwerks or not.

The build project is on the back burner right now as I am focusing on work, cycling (road bike), enjoying our five minutes of summer, etc. I'm also still waiting on a bunch of parts from Jason@AMD.

DarkSideGTI
01-25-2012, 05:15 PM
What's the status? This looks like a very nice build.

jibberjive
01-25-2012, 05:33 PM
Was just about to post the same thing. Updates?

Matt Danger
01-25-2012, 09:24 PM
Mr fancy pants is in Hawaii

NOTORIOUS VR
01-26-2012, 07:18 AM
^lol

JDM EJ1 95
01-27-2012, 02:27 PM
whered you get all that piping for 100 bucks.

Angular
02-28-2012, 03:10 PM
Mr fancy pants is in Hawaii


Why yes... yes I was! [:D] Would up staying an extra 6 nights (for a total of 16) on the Big Island and didn't much feel like coming back!

The project has been on hold for a long time now as other things have taken priority. I think the reality is I will never find the time to do the work myself, so the likelihood of my S4 winding up at AMD is increasing with each day that goes by.

Angular
02-28-2012, 03:17 PM
whered you get all that piping for 100 bucks.

The 2.5" aluminum piping kit? If I recall, that was an eBay purchase. Always a gamble, but should be fine as long as it welds up OK.

JDM EJ1 95
02-28-2012, 04:05 PM
The 2.5" aluminum piping kit? If I recall, that was an eBay purchase. Always a gamble, but should be fine as long as it welds up OK.

ive never had an issue with that stuff.. its pretty good.

i made my whole Y pipe out of it and it worked very well.

jibberjive
02-28-2012, 05:16 PM
You've already got all of that hardware, you should just have a local shop fab the stuff for you. Or AMD (if you were implying that you would stay with your turbos). Don't go the Tial route with all of that sitting there.

Angular
02-29-2012, 08:53 AM
After a year of daily driving a 2001 Honda Accord, my attitude right now is DONE > NOT DONE. So I may or may not change the direction or "flavor" of the project to achieve that end. I'm inclined to go smaller rather than bigger, so TiAL 770s are out of the question for the time being. I think the 605 would be great with a 3L bottom end, but I can't afford that. I have a bit of a bias against journal bearing turbos and that stepped outlet on the turbine housing too. Oh, and over a year later of course there are new turbos on the market, namely the Garrett GTX series. If I was starting over I'd take a good hard look at the GTX2860R.

nefkntym
02-29-2012, 11:40 AM
I would say just sell your stuff and get 770s. You can throw them on a stock block if you wanted and grow into them later or not and EPL offers 770 tuning from stock to crazy. They are modified FP HTA 2868s, so you are not really losing anything as far as size goes. They bolt right up, they have a .50 turbine housing for fast spool up, there are no stepped outlet issues and 034 makes a set of down pipes that you can buy right off of their website.

Evilevo
02-29-2012, 11:41 AM
I would say just sell your stuff and get 770s. You can throw them on a stock block if you wanted and grow into them later or not and EPL offers 770 tuning from stock to crazy. They are modified FP HTA 2868s, so you are not really losing anything as far as size goes. They bolt right up, they have a .50 turbine housing for fast spool up, there are no stepped outlet issues and 034 makes a set of down pipes that you can buy right off of their website.

And on an all out build you can make 700whp.

jibberjive
02-29-2012, 11:47 AM
After a year of daily driving a 2001 Honda Accord, my attitude right now is DONE > NOT DONE. So I may or may not change the direction or "flavor" of the project to achieve that end. I'm inclined to go smaller rather than bigger, so TiAL 770s are out of the question for the time being. I think the 605 would be great with a 3L bottom end, but I can't afford that. I have a bit of a bias against journal bearing turbos and that stepped outlet on the turbine housing too. Oh, and over a year later of course there are new turbos on the market, namely the Garrett GTX series. If I was starting over I'd take a good hard look at the GTX2860R.


Yeah, I'd probably go GTX if I were currently deciding turbos as well. Not sure if you've been around AZ much, but I finally got my setup going with the GT2860-7's. I'm still only on 15psi, but if you're interested in the powerband up til 4k, I can send you some logs to view, if you want.

Angular
02-29-2012, 12:04 PM
And on an all out build you can make 700whp.

That's way, way more than I'm looking for. I'm afraid I've already strayed too far from the concept of "daily driver".

Angular
02-29-2012, 12:07 PM
Yeah, I'd probably go GTX if I were currently deciding turbos as well. Not sure if you've been around AZ much, but I finally got my setup going with the GT2860-7's. I'm still only on 15psi, but if you're interested in the powerband up til 4k, I can send you some logs to view, if you want.

Yeah, I just saw that yesterday on your build thread! [:)] Congrats! [up] I'm looking forward to seeing/hearing more about your project now that she's up and running, especially how the boost response is with those turbos and manifolds. That last photo you posted of the engine was pure sex too. [drool]

Angular
03-15-2012, 09:38 PM
Revisiting the subject of turbo selection, more or less as a sanity check since so much time has passed since I was really focused on this project... I've found that the HKS GT-SS kit for the Nissan Skyline is basically the same GT2859R turbos that I chose. This gives me some more useful/relevant information for comparison purposes and to get an idea of how the turbos might respond. Here's a dyno chart from a built 2.6 liter (straight six) Skyline motor with cams & variable cam timing using these same turbos. I don't care about the absolute numbers, just the response curve.

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/3189/overlayspt8.jpg

Not bad.

And here's a guy that claims 1 bar of boost at 2900 RPM (http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/74451-garrett-2860r-5-boost-response.html#post666698).

michael66899
03-16-2012, 03:53 AM
Revisiting the subject of turbo selection, more or less as a sanity check since so much time has passed since I was really focused on this project... I've found that the HKS GT-SS kit for the Nissan Skyline is basically the same GT2859R turbos that I chose. This gives me some more useful/relevant information for comparison purposes and to get an idea of how the turbos might respond. Here's a dyno chart from a built 2.6 liter (straight six) Skyline motor with cams & variable cam timing using these same turbos. I don't care about the absolute numbers, just the response curve.

Not bad.

And here's a guy that claims 1 bar of boost at 2900 RPM (http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/74451-garrett-2860r-5-boost-response.html#post666698).

I like where your head's at, spool characteristics are very similar to a K04 but keep in mind that the exhaust manifold volume on that set up is going to be significantly less than a tubular set up for an S4. The stock manifolds are made for spool and still flow a pretty fair amount, if you want transient response and early spool stock manifolds are for you. Are you planning on using "1.5 in." sch 10 piping? If so I would suggest going smaller, everyone is so obsessed with exhaust runners equal to that of the port size, unless your running a set up that sees high enough pre turbo EGT's to warrant the increased runner size the big runners are pointless. I don't care what sweet fucking collector you have on your manifold, volume kills spool, so many on here including some shops are too dense to realize this.

jibberjive
03-16-2012, 07:06 AM
Unless that compressor wheel is really different, those turbos are pretty much exactly the same as mine, and I've got ~1200mi on my setup. Shoot me any questions you have or info you want about how they respond on this engine. I'm only on wastegate spring pressure at 15psi now (still have the stock fuel pump and don't want to lean it out), but I played with the N75/Boost PID a little, and I was getting ~15psi at about 3650-3700RPM. Keep in mind that is with literally zero refinement on trying to get the best spool I can.

Angular
03-16-2012, 08:07 AM
I like where your head's at, spool characteristics are very similar to a K04 but keep in mind that the exhaust manifold volume on that set up is going to be significantly less than a tubular set up for an S4. The stock manifolds are made for spool and still flow a pretty fair amount, if you want transient response and early spool stock manifolds are for you. Are you planning on using "1.5 in." sch 10 piping? If so I would suggest going smaller, everyone is so obsessed with exhaust runners equal to that of the port size, unless your running a set up that sees high enough pre turbo EGT's to warrant the increased runner size the big runners are pointless. I don't care what sweet fucking collector you have on your manifold, volume kills spool, so many on here including some shops are too dense to realize this.

I'm using 1.25" schedule 10 for the primaries, merging into 1.5" schedule 10. It's a good match for the exhaust port size. I'm inclined to think tubing size matters more than simple "volume", although the two are related. In other words, you would pay more of a penalty for using a larger diameter of tubing than you would for longer tubes of a smaller diameter. The main thing is to maintain exhaust gas velocity. Given the limited space to stuff a manifold and turbo into on this platform, total volume of the manifold isn't a big concern.

034Motorsport
03-16-2012, 09:52 AM
I'm using 1.25" schedule 10 for the primaries, merging into 1.5" schedule 10. It's a good match for the exhaust port size. I'm inclined to think tubing size matters more than simple "volume", although the two are related. In other words, you would pay more of a penalty for using a larger diameter of tubing than you would for longer tubes of a smaller diameter. The main thing is to maintain exhaust gas velocity. Given the limited space to stuff a manifold and turbo into on this platform, total volume of the manifold isn't a big concern.

I think that is a good choice in size, especially for the turbos you are running. Should leave some room for the future without hurting your current setup. If you get a chance, flow the ports on the manifolds. Be very curious to see what the difference is, as I've never seen flow numbers for tubular manifolds on the B5. Stock is about 100cfm/port. More and more people are hitting their boost before 4000rpm; even my Eliminators saw 20psi @ 4k with good intercoolers, and that was a base tune.

Angular
08-18-2012, 06:14 PM
After more than a year with this project on the back burner, going nowhere fast, I decided to drop the turbos off at AMD (http://www.addictmotorsport.com/index.html) so Jason can get started on the fab work.

If I had to do it all over again, I think I would just get K04 or RS6 turbos and call it a day since this car is first and foremost a daily driver and I have too many other competing interests/priorities. But for now the plan remains mostly the same, proceeding ahead with the GT2859R turbos.

jibberjive
08-18-2012, 07:22 PM
I personally think that when it's done you're going to be stoked that you chose the turbos you did. It sounds like you have similar intentions/goals to mine, and mine are fitting what I was hoping for perfectly so far.

Angular
08-18-2012, 07:33 PM
Yeah, I was just looking at bigern's RS6 dyno chart and thinking "I want that". Pretty much perfect for my daily driver needs and a lot less complicated/expensive than the GT turbo route. It cost a lot of time & money just to be "different". Ha. [;)] Other than the cost, my only real concern about these GT turbos is the low end response... spool up, boost threshold. Considering they were designed for the Skyline GT-R R32/R33 RB26DETT which is 2.6 liters and have a reputation in that community as being the best & most responsive turbo for street use (some claiming it spools the same as stock), I probably don't have too much to worry about. I figure worst case scenario is: the low end spool/torque isn't quite what I hoped for and therefore a 3 liter bottom end is all the more INEVITABLE. [>_<]

skunkoncrunk
08-18-2012, 08:08 PM
Eager to see more of this build.

jibberjive
08-18-2012, 08:27 PM
Yeah, I was just looking at bigern's RS6 dyno chart and thinking "I want that". Pretty much perfect for my daily driver needs and a lot less complicated/expensive than the GT turbo route. It cost a lot of time & money just to be "different". Ha. [;)] Other than the cost, my only real concern about these GT turbos is the low end response... spool up, boost threshold. Considering they were designed for the Skyline GT-R R32/R33 RB26DETT which is 2.6 liters and have a reputation in that community as being the best & most responsive turbo for street use (some claiming it spools the same as stock), I probably don't have too much to worry about. I figure worst case scenario is: the low end spool/torque isn't quite what I hoped for and therefore a 3 liter bottom end is all the more INEVITABLE. [>_<]

There definitely is 'lag', but judging off of my boost profiles, it's very similar to the boost profiles I have seen for RS6's (~15psi about 3650RPM or so). I saw one RS6 log here on the forums the other day that had crazy quick spool though, like ~15psi at 3250 RPM, so you never know.

I'm bummed that you're not doing the DIY route, but I'm stoked in the regard that the shop that is doing it has some baselines for good comparisons to other setups (605, 770, maybe RS6?). Good luck, and keep the forum apprised![wrench]

cjk
08-18-2012, 08:51 PM
Good luck buddy! Excited to see some "go" with all that "show" [:D]

Angular
09-28-2012, 04:54 PM
It's official. Wheels have been ordered. 18x10. ET25.

http://www.forgestar.com/blog/pics/f14brushedcharcoals.jpg

Aluminum uprights are on the way as well for weight saving and additonal wheel/tire clearance.

As noted earlier, the GT2859R turbos and materials for manifold & downpipe fabrication are up at AMD right now. I have also just secured a 3L liter crank for a good price (done deal, got tracking #) but not sure when that will come into the mix.

Angular
10-05-2012, 03:18 PM
Got stroke? [:D]

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/601576_10151087407192734_590285300_n.jpg

I'm not 100% in the 3 liter pool yet, just dipping my toe and seeing if the water is warm. Gotta look at the financial side of it of course. Crank was cheap but rods, pistons, machine shop work, and all that will add up fast.

034Motorsport
10-05-2012, 03:50 PM
Got stroke? [:D]

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/601576_10151087407192734_590285300_n.jpg

I'm not 100% in the 3 liter pool yet, just dipping my toe and seeing if the water is warm. Gotta look at the financial side of it of course. Crank was cheap but rods, pistons, machine shop work, and all that will add up fast.

Weren't you already going to build the motor with rods?

If you want the opinion of someone who built a 2.8L instead of a 3.0L... GO 3.0 LITER!!!!!!! I regret it all the time, not because I'm unhappy with my car (at all), but because it would have only cost $500 more for me to do it when I had everything apart. The extra machining is minor and the build cost shouldn't change much compared to a 2.8L. But perhaps I missed something and you were staying stock displacement?

I would go 3.0L. +50 ft/lbs more torque on the graph, ~500rpm less spool on a lot of turbo setups, and just a ton of extra off boost power. Combine that with a 9.0:1 compression and Ooo Wee.

I just really wish I had spent that much extra and gone for it, but for me, I had already done the "well it is only $500 more" about 10 times so I was out of money.

D Lo
10-05-2012, 03:58 PM
...but for me, I had already done the "well it is only $500 more"...

funny, this sounds all too familiar [:)]

Angular
10-05-2012, 05:13 PM
Weren't you already going to build the motor with rods?

If you want the opinion of someone who built a 2.8L instead of a 3.0L... GO 3.0 LITER!!!!!!! I regret it all the time, not because I'm unhappy with my car (at all), but because it would have only cost $500 more for me to do it when I had everything apart. The extra machining is minor and the build cost shouldn't change much compared to a 2.8L.

My policy has always been that if I get into the motor at all, I'm going 3 liter. I don't see the point in doing rods or anything else significant to the internals for all the reasons you just mentioned. That said, I was kind of planning to blow this motor up first before building that 3L monster. [evilsmile] But it might make more sense to get it all done now. A lot of that has to do with my financial situation.

Angular
10-24-2012, 03:31 PM
Mmmmm... brakes...

http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/622779_10151115149082734_1084618649_o.jpg

Used but in pretty good shape.

MadProfessor
11-14-2012, 08:03 AM
Got stroke? [:D]

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/601576_10151087407192734_590285300_n.jpg

I'm not 100% in the 3 liter pool yet, just dipping my toe and seeing if the water is warm. Gotta look at the financial side of it of course. Crank was cheap but rods, pistons, machine shop work, and all that will add up fast.

Don't let that crank I sold you sit around on it's side too long. I assume you already know this..just making sure.[:D]

Angular
12-09-2012, 09:31 PM
Forgestar F14 wheels arrived. Haven't decided on tires yet.

http://s16v.com/photos/2012/12-05/IMAG0912.jpg

http://s16v.com/photos/2012/12-08/IMAG0981.jpg

Angular
12-15-2012, 06:55 PM
Woo-hoo! They fit! [:d]

265/35R18 Michelin Pilot Super Sport tires on the Forgestar F14 wheels here. 18x10 ET25, no spacers! Fit is damn near perfect. Super close to the uprights but not touching. Fender clearance looks good too.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-6gcnVDMAZsI/VGaBXF3i5zI/AAAAAAAACtg/GsDEfaKLhCU/w1598-h949-no/IMAG0999.jpg

Concave enough? [cool]

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-GWOy8cSOqDY/VGaBbG8kEBI/AAAAAAAACto/cvtWrPLHhv8/w609-h1025-no/IMAG1001.jpg

gottaBdope
12-16-2012, 12:36 AM
Wheels look good man, gotta love the concave. Car is nice too.

I enjoyed reading your thread all the way through. I like your writing style, easy to read.

GL with build.

Angular
12-16-2012, 06:16 PM
Wheels look good man, gotta love the concave. Car is nice too.

I enjoyed reading your thread all the way through. I like your writing style, easy to read.

GL with build.

Thanks, man. If my dreams come true, this car (and its owner) will be living on the Big Island at some point in the next year or two. [;)]

Angular
12-16-2012, 06:18 PM
Here are a few more pics of the wheels and tires. Still running the original steel uprights in front (stock brakes), although I plan to switch to aluminum. The fit is really nice. No rubbing. Looks almost factory thanks to the RS4 sheet metal swallowing up a pretty wide wheel & tire, which is exactly what I was going for.

Right now this much tire on a car with K03s is quite laughable but with any luck, Jason@AMD will help me rectify that situation in the early part of 2013.

http://s16v.com/photos/2012/12-16/IMG_3375_resize.jpg

http://s16v.com/photos/2012/12-16/IMG_3379_resize.jpg

http://s16v.com/photos/2012/12-16/IMG_3384_resize.jpg

http://s16v.com/photos/2012/12-16/IMG_3389_crop_resize.jpg

jibberjive
12-17-2012, 12:49 AM
The car has a great stance, and the wheels have good concavity (which is a luxury pretty much only afforded to you widebody people :) )

gottaBdope
12-17-2012, 06:15 AM
Big Island, good choice. Lots of open road and pretty much nothing like Oahu. That'll be nice. How long you plan on living out here?

And yeah, stance and concavity and what not, great!

Angular
12-17-2012, 03:12 PM
Big Island, good choice. Lots of open road and pretty much nothing like Oahu. That'll be nice. How long you plan on living out here?

I'm mostly just dreaming, but I would like to buy some property there and relocate on a more or less permanent basis. The #1 issue is employment, so being a software developer I would need a job where I can work remotely (from home) most of the time and travel to the mainland on an as-needed basis. I like all of the Hawaiian islands but I think the Big Island is probably the most affordable... and obviously the least congested! The good news is it "only" costs $1072 to ship a car to Hawaii from the West coast. [;)]

britishturbo
12-17-2012, 05:29 PM
Looking good!

ravensB5S4
12-17-2012, 06:10 PM
Cars beautiful! Im curious to see what the car would like in Sepang blue though. Still very very clean regardless

michael66899
12-17-2012, 11:02 PM
Mmmmm... brakes...

http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/622779_10151115149082734_1084618649_o.jpg

Used but in pretty good shape.

.[up].

DiscoPotato
12-18-2012, 07:06 AM
That wagon is pure sex.

gottaBdope
12-18-2012, 11:11 PM
Dude. I can't imagine it'd be hard to get an 'at home job' dealing with software development.

Amusing story. One of my friends just moved out here. I met him through AZ because I read that he was moving to Hawaii soon. Anyways, he works from home (marketing, in a nutshell) and obviously drives an audi (2013 rs5 to be specific), but he chose Oahu instead of something better, hah. He shipped his ar out here for ~$3k so it would be in a container, well protected. Your $1k quote will leave your car sitting on the deck of a barge exposed to the open ocean elements (salt, rain, etc) for about two weeks. Not fun.

That said, when I leave, mine won't be in a container, but it'll be free cause that's how the military ships it. Just a heads up to maybe save a little more.

Angular
12-19-2012, 05:13 PM
Amusing story. One of my friends just moved out here. I met him through AZ because I read that he was moving to Hawaii soon. Anyways, he works from home (marketing, in a nutshell) and obviously drives an audi (2013 rs5 to be specific), but he chose Oahu instead of something better, hah. He shipped his ar out here for ~$3k so it would be in a container, well protected. Your $1k quote will leave your car sitting on the deck of a barge exposed to the open ocean elements (salt, rain, etc) for about two weeks. Not fun.

Thanks for the info. I'll be sure to research this more in depth before I actually put my car in the hands of Matson or any other shipping company. I've already read a few horror stories on the subject.

gottaBdope
12-19-2012, 06:20 PM
Lol. You seem thorough, I'm sure you'll do the necessary research. Good luck with all that and if you come out this way in the next six months, lemme know.

Keep up the great build.

MikeyB3
12-20-2012, 10:43 AM
I dunno how I missed that, but the wagon is sexy as shit!

gottaBdope
12-23-2012, 10:10 AM
I was waaaay misinformed. Rs5 only paid $1100 for container shipping from CA to HI using Horizon.

Operator
03-31-2013, 09:31 AM
I probably missed it somewhere, but in your other thread you were looking at EFR's what made you change?

Angular
02-17-2014, 06:47 PM
I probably missed it somewhere, but in your other thread you were looking at EFR's what made you change?

The EFRs would be really hard to fit. They're pretty big lengthwise, and even the smallest EFR is more turbo than I need/want for a 2.7TT. In fact, I've pretty much given up on the whole GT turbo idea. Life happened and priorities changed so I'll probably put K04s or something in there and call it done. I bought a house in Hawaii so that's pretty much where all my money is going these days.

Angular
03-05-2014, 07:59 PM
I've got the GT2859R turbos on eBay right now if anyone is interested or knows anyone who might be interested. If you've got a buddy with a Nissan Skyline GT-R R32/R33/R34 I believe these are a drop-in upgrade. Easy-peasy.

I also have stainless steel exhaust manifold flanges, schedule 10 stainless steel tubing, and stainless T25 flanges made especially for these turbos if anyone is interested in fitting them to a 2.7T.

Angular
11-10-2014, 07:24 PM
The "fire sale" continues. Got my TIG welder, metal cutting bandsaw and a bunch of other crap on the local Craigslist. On the bright side, after 11+ years of ownership I still felt like this car was worth dropping another big pile of money on. More news on that in the next week or so. Nothing too fancy, just K04s plus water/meth and so forth. Daily driver status... hopefully good for the next 10 years/100000 miles.

https://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/1800351_10151970020042734_756120894_n.jpg?oh=3a97a 7058685f4553e58bfbc428b44c4&oe=54EDFA9D

Eurotuned_A4
11-12-2014, 04:02 PM
Seen your car recently at a shop up north, unless there happens to be another widebody santorin locally. BTW if the time comes that you ever want to sell, keep me in mind.

Angular
11-12-2014, 07:42 PM
Yup. It's at AMD. Progress is being made.

Angular
12-02-2014, 07:47 PM
Back together (mostly) and just about ready to get tuned.

Drehmoment
12-03-2014, 09:58 PM
Is that a custom heat shied over the manifolds for the intake ?

Angular
12-05-2014, 05:29 PM
Is that a custom heat shied over the manifolds for the intake ?

Yeah, I'm guessing it is. Haven't actually seen it in person yet, but I'll be picking the car up tomorrow. Tuning is done. She's all ready to go. [drive]

AudiTechS4
12-05-2014, 08:31 PM
wait this whole tread was from 2011 just to arrive at k04's :)

Angular
12-08-2014, 09:33 PM
wait this whole tread was from 2011 just to arrive at k04's :)

Pretty much! Should be called "Doing it the Slow and Expensive Way".

The good news is, I have a car again. Not only that... but one that put down 405 whp and 430 wtq on maybe 21 PSI or so. Not too shabby. AMD did it right. Feels like more torque than stock at almost every RPM. Perfect for daily driving.

Angular
10-01-2015, 07:05 PM
The S4 made it to Hawaii in one piece. Life is good. [cool]

http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/pp186/bradleypeet/20150830_181408_HDR_resize_zpsttczay4o.jpg