300 Crank HP?! [Archive] - Audizine Forums

audib7maniac

02-05-2011, 04:43 PM

The Carbonio Intake does nothing for our cars first off. You should remove the cat and try RAI 3" tp. Allegedly it has shown 20 whp and 20wtq. Adding Apr's hpfp is deff a plus in my opinion, deff will see improvement. Re-flash the ECU and you will be Stage 2+ and maybe AWE FMIC and you should be around that mark possibly.

Here's the link for the TP: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/407926-.-RAI-Motorsport-New-Product-Introductory-Offer-B7-TESTPIPE

Hope this helps.

-Rob

Coderedpl

02-05-2011, 04:44 PM

So wth is stage 2 then? 250?

bitskyline

02-05-2011, 04:45 PM

little water/methanol injection

Baruch

02-05-2011, 04:52 PM

Def not going to do the water/meth - bad enough I gotta put gas in the fucking car lol - I have the test pipe so not gonna go and get the RAI 3" - really don't see 1/2 an inch adding an additional 15 hp on top of the test pipes power output - granted it may be a lil more but don't wanna buy something to upgrade an upgrade ... regardless... i mean, Im looking at - upgrading wastegate, intercooler after i do hpfp - or any other items that may boost ya up some power

audib7maniac

02-05-2011, 04:54 PM

little water/methanol injection

x2 forgot to mention this

Dan[FN]6262

02-05-2011, 04:55 PM

why/how are you going to upgrade your internal wastegate??

Baruch

02-05-2011, 05:02 PM

5857;6161256']why/how are you going to upgrade your internal wastegate??

Well, how bout upgrading the actuator then - maybe not more hp but more boost at least - im just fishing for other ideas for more power - im done with APR after stage II+ - kinda upset I started with the cookie cutter upgrades

psiaddict85

02-05-2011, 05:09 PM

Well, how bout upgrading the actuator then - maybe not more hp but more boost at least

What's the point of more boost if you're not making more power?

Baruch

02-05-2011, 05:24 PM

Christ man.. work with me here... I'm just looking for insight - boost at least equate to more torque = quicker acceleration.. granted not related to my original question but - im looking for more power & torque - without having to upgrade the turbo & without water/meth - i mean - if theres no other way without doing the turbo/meth or you personally don't know of any other ideas then quit posting

Baruch

02-05-2011, 05:26 PM

Guess Im wrong with that in regards to Audis - my friends who tune the actuators on their saabs - build more boost = quicker acceleration...

Coderedpl

02-05-2011, 05:34 PM

Let me guess, you want to push the most out of the k03 without dropping the cash on a bigger turbo upgrade?

Baruch

02-05-2011, 05:36 PM

God damn it - are you people fucking with me?

psiaddict85

02-05-2011, 05:47 PM

this is getting funny lol

Stg 2 already pushes 22+ lbs of boost depending of your setup... these turbos are tiny and are already working at or past their limit at that.

Coderedpl

02-05-2011, 05:55 PM

this is getting funny lol

Stg 2 already pushes 22+ lbs of boost depending of your setup... these turbos are tiny and are already working at or past their limit at that.

For me its around 21-22 peak, i get 20 constant

Boxmods360

02-05-2011, 05:59 PM

I would get in touch with enzoballin. He is pushing 280-290 at the crank just from a custom exhaust and ECU upgrade from Gintani. [up]

Baruch

02-05-2011, 06:02 PM

Are there any turbo shops that upgrade these stock turbos to handle more power while using the stock setup? For instance one of my friends has a mitsubishi TD04-15T turbo stock, and can send it out, have it bored out, squeeze a 19T compressor wheel with clipped turbines and a 360 degree thrust bearing for around $300 and since its the original turbo bolts right back on. Are any Audi tuners doing this or are the parts not cost effective compared to purchasing an upgraded/replacement turbo? Also since custom hardware requires custom software, are any tuning companies providing a live in house custom tune on awd dynos?

Ibis-Titanium

02-05-2011, 06:46 PM

As I'm sure you're aware, 300HP on the OE KO3 is no easy feat. I'm currently at stage 2+(see sig for details), and my car dynoed a tad over 220 AWHP, and 270 AWTQ. I'm currently waiting on a 3" catless DP from RAI that I'm hoping will increase spool up and add power under the curve, over the current 034 HFC/stock DP combo on my car. Even then however, I don't see her eclipsing the 300 CHP mark.
I'm aware that RAI is working on a turbo upgrade that utilizes upgraded internals & machining in the OE KO3 housing. They are calling it the KOR. From what I understand, it is still under development, but should yield results similar to that of a KO4 upgrade, for considerably less than other KO4 kits on the market for the B7 A4, due to the utilization of the OE housing. The cost will however, most likely be higher than what our Mitsu counterparts have to pay. When the RAI kit comes to fruition it will likely be the most cost-effective solution for 300+CHP for the B7 A4 2.0T platform, IMHO.

QUATTROA4B7

02-05-2011, 06:53 PM

With full TP or HFC, exhaust, HPFP, Fully loaded StgII+ tune, and w/m injection as long as you are running
the 100 octane tune, or adjust your boost/ timing/ fuel accordingly.. you should come close to reaching the
300 CHP mark.

- I see you said you don't want to add meth.. I think it'd be worth it.

brownishwater

02-05-2011, 07:09 PM

http://www.funnyforumpics.com/forums/this-thread-sucks/10/Thread-Crap-Stupid-Actors.jpg

This thread fails on numerous counts.

Op, learn about TFSI engines and how they work and you will understand why most of your ideas are useless.

mr shickadance

02-05-2011, 07:17 PM

yea a few companies took ko3's and modified them but they all went under revision and no one has seen em since

mr shickadance

02-05-2011, 07:18 PM

GT28 from what i understand is a reletively easy way to break 300 hp lots of companies have kits out but it comes with a price

dmaxben

02-05-2011, 07:34 PM

GT28 from what i understand is a reletively easy way to break 300 hp lots of companies have kits out but it comes with a price

totally off topic, but I just about fell over when I saw your screen name...awesome movie haha

(avatar isnt bad either)

b7kevin

02-05-2011, 07:36 PM

I hate it when people post that an intercooler "ADDS" hp...................... (smacks forehead)

solaris10

02-05-2011, 07:49 PM

Ibis-Titanium

02-05-2011, 08:12 PM

I hate it when people post that an intercooler "ADDS" hp...................... (smacks forehead)

While I would agree with you in that an upgraded intercooler(s) primarily helps to prevent HP loss, I don't think it's a stretch to say that they can "add" HP due to their ability to more efficiently cool the intake air charge, thereby effectively adding HP....

psiaddict85

02-05-2011, 08:35 PM

^^^ I have to agree ^^^ While it may not add much power on a chipped 2.0T with somewhat adequate stock dual SMIC, other cars/setups see a huge improvement.

Siggiepop

02-05-2011, 08:41 PM

Honestly there is no SAFE way to get more power without changing turbos/meth/inejectors etc
Id be worried if you tried to boost more then blow your turbo.

If you want big power you gotta spend like you got big $.
Got to pay play. Simple as that, you're already maxing out the k03. Why do you want 300crank hp for?

Six Speed Turbo

02-05-2011, 08:53 PM

OK so my car on APR stage 2+ 93 octane with Carbonio, HPFP, TP, Exhaust, FMIC put down 251 AWHP on a mustang dyno. So if my math is right I think that is over the 300CHP mark. So it can be done.

psiaddict85

02-05-2011, 09:08 PM

OK so my car on APR stage 2+ 93 octane with Carbonio, HPFP, TP, Exhaust, FMIC put down 251 AWHP on a mustang dyno. So if my math is right I think that is over the 300CHP mark. So it can be done.

If the dyno numbers are accurate that would land you north of 330 chp at roughly 25% quattro drive train loss

SEXICÄN

02-05-2011, 09:21 PM

I managed to get 290bhp at the crank using the following:-
ITG Panel filter
Miltek cat back exhaust
test pipe
HPFP
Stage 2 + map

I will be adding the ER side mounted intercoolers soon but its debatable if these will see the power increase.

Must have dyno'd on a 2wd dyno!

I ran:

HPFP
APR 100
awe exhaust
LaBree TP
WM

I was at 229 AWHP and 294WATQ

Depending on the dyno, 300 crank HP sucks. It's all about what your car makes to the wheels!!!!!

Baruch

02-05-2011, 10:05 PM

Just so everyone knows, I've pretty f-ing drunk at this point - coming home early just to re-coup for superbowl party tomorrow - just like to respond to a few posts in particular..

AT Ibis - you're original post was well thought out and articulated very well - I do appreciate the insight and it was unfortunately what i expected but not what i hoped for..

AT Brownish - you can blow me. You're from Texas, I'm so happy I'm not from Texas - enough said. Post your pictures/meaningless words elsewhere.

AT B7 - Ibis gave you the response I would have - no - an upgraded intercooler might not necessarily add HP but it does increase the efficiency of the engine - colder air/denser air/higher oxygen content - maybe with a unitronic or other tuning company that provides you with software solely dependent on the hardware of your vehicle may allow for a more aggressive tune/increased power

AT Siggie - as I previously mentioned - what I was expecting vs what I was hoping for by starting this thread were definitely at complete odds

Essentially I have friends that drive primarily Saab's - tuning their cars vs tuning ours is extremely different - they've got so many options to reach different power levels vs us - i started this thread to try to generate ideas as to what possibilities there are without having to buy a larger turbo kit - basically it was what i already knew - buy a bigger turbo kit if you want more power after you do the typical intake, exhaust, hpfp, tune....

Hope this shit makes sense - peace. Thanks to everyone with an exception to Brownish... Appreciate the insight... G'night.

Baruch

02-05-2011, 10:09 PM

Haha, Ibis - i just re-read to make sure I didn't make any mistakes in my post and saw you were from Texas - my bad bro.. no hard feelings eh?

bartles

02-05-2011, 10:11 PM

NOS

[email protected].

02-05-2011, 10:29 PM

Depending on the dyno, 300 crank HP sucks. It's all about what your car makes to the wheels!!!!!

Bingo. on a chassis dyno this is the most accurate way to measure power anyways, unless you pull your engine to strap it up to an engine dyno.

OP, there are a few key things you seem reluctant to do and I think not doing them will keep you from reaching your goals. The first being Water/Meth, and the second upgrading your tp/downpipe. the W/M cools your IAT's (cooler air-denser-more air into the engine) while also raising your octane (higher octane allows for more timing and allows for higher boost safely). Even upgrading your test pipe by .5in, you're increasing the area inside the tp by about 40%, allowing for faster spool. Upgrading the downpipe you'll remove all restrictions and bottlenecks and you'll get even closer to your goal. Between the HPFP, W/M, and a nice big downpipe, and maybe swapping over to unitronic in addition to the mods you already have, you should be getting pretty close to 300crank.

as far as a stock turbo solution you mentioned, we are still working on our KOR, and if all goes well we should have it released this spring.

GarrettReid

02-05-2011, 10:34 PM

as far as a stock turbo solution you mentioned, we are still working on our KOR, and if all goes well we should have it released this spring.

this[up]

Hackman

02-05-2011, 10:35 PM

NOS
What he said.. haha

Hackman

02-05-2011, 10:36 PM

put a giant sticker on your car.

haha

brownishwater

02-06-2011, 08:34 AM

Another moron added to hall of fail. Op, you are completely incompetent.

audib7maniac

02-06-2011, 09:32 AM

Bingo. on a chassis dyno this is the most accurate way to measure power anyways, unless you pull your engine to strap it up to an engine dyno.

OP, there are a few key things you seem reluctant to do and I think not doing them will keep you from reaching your goals. The first being Water/Meth, and the second upgrading your tp/downpipe. the W/M cools your IAT's (cooler air-denser-more air into the engine) while also raising your octane (higher octane allows for more timing and allows for higher boost safely). Even upgrading your test pipe by .5in, you're increasing the area inside the tp by about 40%, allowing for faster spool. Upgrading the downpipe you'll remove all restrictions and bottlenecks and you'll get even closer to your goal. Between the HPFP, W/M, and a nice big downpipe, and maybe swapping over to unitronic in addition to the mods you already have, you should be getting pretty close to 300crank.

as far as a stock turbo solution you mentioned, we are still working on our KOR, and if all goes well we should have it released this spring.

x2, I was trying to tell the OP about your tp/dp but he didn't want any to do with it. Hopefully the KOR comes out sooner [:D]. BTW Will did you ever get any dyno numbers for the ebay tp and your tp? Also can u leak a little more info on the KOR, power wise? lol Thanks Will

-Rob

Baruch

02-06-2011, 09:56 AM

Another moron added to hall of fail. Op, you are completely incompetent.

Not only am I completely incompetent, I am extremely ignorant - you know - god forbid I ask questions and look for insight on a semi public forum dedicated for people with a specific vehicle type to help one another out... I am really really dumb - Only experts with the same opinions/information/and view points should be allowed on here...

Thanks for your insight chief.... please don't ever shoot yourself, the world and I would miss you dearly

Baruch

02-06-2011, 10:16 AM

Will from R.A.I. - thanks for the response man, definitely looking forward to your guys KOR release and I gotta read up on your test pipe - didn't think that 2.5 to 3" turbo back would make that much of a difference but I'll take a look at it.. My only concern with that is APR's 2.5" test pipe really didnt even fit - had to shave a lil bit off of the transmission cross-member so the flex pipe wouldn't rub - how's the fit with the 3" pipe?

Baruch

02-06-2011, 10:19 AM

[email protected].

02-06-2011, 10:23 AM

Will did you ever get any dyno numbers for the ebay tp and your tp? Also can u leak a little more info on the KOR, power wise?

we did get dyno numbers they're up on page 3 of the thread (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/407926-.-RAI-Motorsport-New-Product-Introductory-Offer-B7-TESTPIPE/page3).

What I can say about the K0R...well I'll shortly have it installed on my own car (and you'll be in for a bit of a surprise) and after a final round of testing we'll then release the final cost and numbers.

Will from R.A.I. - thanks for the response man, definitely looking forward to your guys KOR release and I gotta read up on your test pipe - didn't think that 2.5 to 3" turbo back would make that much of a difference but I'll take a look at it.. My only concern with that is APR's 2.5" test pipe really didnt even fit - had to shave a lil bit off of the transmission cross-member so the flex pipe wouldn't rub - how's the fit with the 3" pipe?

It follows the same profile as the factory cat, so no fitment issues.

A4B7Quattro

02-06-2011, 10:32 AM

I want 300 hp without doing anything how can i do that?

Baruch

02-06-2011, 10:40 AM

I want 300 hp without doing anything how can i do that?

haha, X2 - this is where stickers come into play - every sticker i hear equates to 45 whp

audib7maniac

02-06-2011, 10:44 AM

At Rob - yeah man, just in my last post - saying how I'll have to look into their test pipe - shouldn't have been so resistant to the idea in the 1st place - just already upgraded with the APR pipe - pain in the ass to get that to fit - really don't want to have to go through a similar headache to get a slightly bigger one to fit.. Thanks for the help though, I do appreciate it.

I understand dude it's just that if you want to reach 300 crank, your gonna need all the hp out of every mod that you can get. Will from RAI posted the difference between the 2.5" tp to their 3" in tp and there is an 8-10hp increase. Something you might want, but that's up to you. If you want to reach that goal your gonna have to get a better tp and to reach that level of hp isnt cheap. These care are expensive, there is no way to mod these cars with excellent products for pennies you know. In the end, you get what you pay for and RAI has earned a lot of respect on here since they manufacture great parts for our cars. GL with reaching 300 crank dude

we did get dyno numbers they're up on page 3 of the thread (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/407926-.-RAI-Motorsport-New-Product-Introductory-Offer-B7-TESTPIPE/page3).

What I can say about the K0R...well I'll shortly have it installed on my own car (and you'll be in for a bit of a surprise) and after a final round of testing we'll then release the final cost and numbers.

I knew there was a significant difference lol, Good work RAI !!! I cant wait because I have been debating on doing a K04, injectors and AWE FMIC and have been waiting for this K0R release. Don't keep us waiting too long Will lol

-Rob

Ibis-Titanium

02-06-2011, 11:17 AM

Haha, Ibis - i just re-read to make sure I didn't make any mistakes in my post and saw you were from Texas - my bad bro.. no hard feelings eh?

No offense taken mang. I was just trying to offer a lil insight based on my own personal experiences with modding my car and trying to maximize the performance of the car relative the dollars spent -vs- what I use the car for(daily driven 75K + miles and counting). I've gotten a ton of useful info on this forum over the last 2.5 years, so I figure the least i can do is offer up help when I can. Take it easy.

bitskyline

02-06-2011, 01:29 PM

Not only am I completely incompetent, I am extremely ignorant - you know - god forbid I ask questions and look for insight on a semi public forum dedicated for people with a specific vehicle type to help one another out... I am really really dumb - Only experts with the same opinions/information/and view points should be allowed on here...

Thanks for your insight chief.... please don't ever shoot yourself, the world and I would miss you dearly

you should know by now you will never just get a straightforward answer from audizine.

vdubjetta02

02-07-2011, 05:57 AM

EErie B6

02-07-2011, 06:11 AM

Race gas file [up]

texasboy21

02-07-2011, 06:24 AM

The last two posts nailed it. It would be pushing the turbo very hard trying to get 300chp from 93 oct; however 100oct race tune with all the supporting mods should do it, or get close.

And weight savings/rotational mass reductions

xpanel

02-07-2011, 06:30 AM

I want 300 hp without doing anything how can i do that?

Like so my friend:
http://www.carid.com/images/spoilers/audi-a8-spoilers_cat.jpg

B7Daily

02-07-2011, 07:57 AM

can I say this? ....

1. If you want more power ... APR Stage 3 is the way to go, the more you push for more hp out of the stock turbo you’re only going to end up with a car that does not run right or that will be junk or turned in to a parts car... you have to pay to play don’t bitch about gas don’t bitch about spending money on ur b7 if you can’t afford to drive it don’t go get a b5 or something ...

2. not being an ass but ... wow...

deeznuts

02-07-2011, 09:29 AM

lol Why the Fuk has no one mentioned an aftermarket clutch & lightweight flywheel? Ya it wont add horsepower, but you will be FASTER

and second, how the hell are you going to upgrade the wastegate? This is not a subaru, you can't just throw an External Wastegate on our car and get added horsepower

3rd -> You need to learn more about cars. Instead of squeezing that extra 15 CRANK hp which is barely noticeable.

Buy enkei RPF-1 racing wheels that only weigh 18lbs, put an after market flywheel in your car. This will be quicker than your 15 crank hp you are trying to achieve.

a 270 HP Audi with mods that reduce rotational mass WILL be faster than your 300 crank hp Audi

well said vdub..nobody on the forums talks about rotational mass. OP...everything vdub said, plus get some lightweight 16's!

i think the problem i see on the forums lately is a4 owners are starting to realize that to make any type of significany power- is going to cost a good deal of money. i know myself, buying my car almost 8 months ago, i didnt do enough research on the 2.0T's to realize that in order to make big numbers, i needed a good deal of money into my car...which half of me regrets getting a b7, and the other half doesnt care bc i love the way my car looks. Our motors dont have hidden hp thats ready to be unleashed...they need bigger turbos, correctly, and the right way....the only other car thats more expensive that has greater HP gains for half the money it takes to get to stage II plus, is a 335, and the japanese matchbox's.

nobody cares about crank horsepower- theres no way to measure chp unless u take the motor out of the car.