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slimmj0k3r
01-28-2011, 11:46 AM
Decided to make my own thread, Many people may have followed previous threads:

DW Garage HTA Build (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/329632-DW-Garage-HTA-3582R-Build-Up-Thread?highlight=garage)

Another B7 A4 Pushing the Envelope (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/266737-another-B7-A4-pushing-the-envelope...)

Lets leave the politics out of this thread and get down to the business. 56k grab a kit-kat

Specs On the Car: (Updated 2/2013)
HTA 3076R .63 AR
Tial 38mm v-band wastegate
Pagparts cast stainless steel v-band manifold
Mahle 83mm 9:1 pistons with steel pins
Brute 144mmx20mm H-beam rods
Coated rod bearings
Ferrera 1mm oversize intake and exhaust valves
Fereara titanium retainers
Ferrera valve springs
ARP main studs
ARP head bolts
ARP crank bolt
ARP flywheel bolts
Fluidampr pulley
ASP Motor Mounts
INA Engineering intake manifold
APR High Pressure Fuel Pump
RS4 injectors
HPFP 155bar Performance Rail Valve
Custom 3” Downpipe
Custom cat-back exhaust
Clutchmasters FX400 ceramic 6 puck
Clutchmasters billet steel flywheel
JHM Short Shifter
JHM Linkage Upgrade
Garrett 900HP Core
Devils Own Water/Meth
BSH Race Catch Can


Eye Candy (In No particular order):
http://solidflow.net/build/build_1.jpg
http://solidflow.net/build/build_2.jpg
http://solidflow.net/build/build_3.jpg
http://solidflow.net/build/build_4.jpg
http://solidflow.net/build/build_5.jpg
http://solidflow.net/build/build_6.jpg
http://solidflow.net/build/build_7.jpg
http://solidflow.net/build/build_8.jpg
http://solidflow.net/build/build_9.jpg
http://solidflow.net/build/build_10.jpg
http://solidflow.net/build/build_11.jpg
http://solidflow.net/build/build_12.jpg
http://solidflow.net/build/build_13.jpg
http://solidflow.net/build/build_14.jpg
http://solidflow.net/build/build_15.jpg
http://solidflow.net/build/build_16.jpg
http://solidflow.net/build/build_17.jpg
http://solidflow.net/build/build_18.jpg
http://solidflow.net/build/build_19.jpg
http://solidflow.net/build/build_20.jpg
http://solidflow.net/build/build_21.jpg
http://solidflow.net/build/build_22.jpg
http://solidflow.net/build/build_23.jpg

Glad to say that I've actually driven the car these past two days, to break the motor in and clutch, and I can say it feels amazingly stronger. I was not able to get into boost since we're running a base file and we had to just take it easy on the clutch but around town the car is simply great. Currently its back in the shop to re-torque the head bolts and start the tuning. Originally I had no intention to run water/meth but with my upcoming move to Arizona, no 93 in AZ, and scorching summers I decided that running meth would actually be beneficial..... My massive intercooler should help also lol [>_<]

Hopefully next week we will have some actual numbers. Aiming to break 400whp but only time will tell. Hope this will be some motivation for some more b7ers to start going BT....we need more BT threads and less "what rims/what mod should I get/do".

Made a little video of a cold start.... a bit rough but things will be ironed out within the final tune. Enjoy.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjplOhYkClM

cheers.

Staz
01-28-2011, 11:49 AM
thats is awesome, holy crap at the size of that front mount [drool]

and lol @ camera falling

Gil2.0T
01-28-2011, 11:54 AM
Very nice. Cant wait for some videos once that thing is tuned. Props

viceprp
01-28-2011, 11:55 AM
You'll easily break that 400whp mark. I know on my little b5 and 1.8 displacement. I've seen 427whp on w/m on only a GT3076. A 2.0 GT35 on meth with conservative tune should easily see 430+whp. Look forward to the numbers! GLWD

viziers
01-28-2011, 11:57 AM
Hoping to have mine dynoed in a couple weeks....

vivithemage
01-28-2011, 12:01 PM
sweeeeeeeeet

eastwick897
01-28-2011, 12:02 PM
YESSSSS finally the cat is out of the hat. Saw this monster in person yesterday as slim drove to my house. It's a beast!

viperdsa
01-28-2011, 12:06 PM
Awesome. It's interesting how different piston manufactures go about getting the desired c/r. I have a set of JE 9.5:1 and they have no visible dish to them like your CP's do.

slimmj0k3r
01-28-2011, 12:12 PM
Hoping to have mine dynoed in a couple weeks....

Sweet keep us posted. Eastwick should be getting his car back this weekend or monday with results and I'm expecting mine about wednsday of next week.

We will have some footage of everything. Going to put together a nice video with results when everything is done, eastwick has a new dslr to test out haha

B7Daily
01-28-2011, 12:21 PM
I would like to see the numbers and hear about how the maintenance is

jimrobbington
01-28-2011, 12:29 PM
Thats sick slim. I didn't even know you were doing a build. How long did your build take? If they are getting 400 whp on that other thread with no internals or meth, with the right tune you should be able to surpass that by quite a bit, I would think. No lpf issues?

eastwick897
01-28-2011, 12:30 PM
I would like to see the numbers and hear about how the maintenance is

What do you mean by maintenance? It's similar to what you do on every other FSI. Minus the intake valves being caked up.

trevor51590
01-28-2011, 12:46 PM
pure $3x

slimmj0k3r
01-28-2011, 12:54 PM
Thats sick slim. I didn't even know you were doing a build. How long did your build take? If they are getting 400 whp on that other thread with no internals or meth, with the right tune you should be able to surpass that by quite a bit, I would think. No lpf issues?

We started doing research back in 2008 before we actually began anything, i'd say we began work around april 2009. I had to learn all about the FSI motor and kept this 200 page book with me at all times lol, I still have it actually. Fast forward almost 2 years later and a lot of unplanned parts/circumstances, we're finally close to what I wanted to achieve. Its an ultimate sleeper.

LPFP is not the issue at this point, I feel that we're going to hit our limit at the RS4 injectors.

I feel that we'd be able to break 400whp without the meth, Only reason i'm running the kit is because 93oct is not available in arizona and it gets HOT...heatsoak ftl.

viziers
01-28-2011, 12:54 PM
Ut oh I think I jizzed on the screen looking at the pics again!

vdubjetta02
01-28-2011, 02:06 PM
redonkulous

nnnick
01-28-2011, 02:54 PM
Hope the tune goes well, it seems everyone that goes with a custom big turbo setup can never get it tuned worth a damn. Excited to see this beast out in AZ!

crazytex21
01-28-2011, 02:56 PM
is it weird that my pants are a little tight right now?

ryanworth
01-28-2011, 03:17 PM
Looks amazing dude! I love how you shaved the crash bar to fit the IC. And that turbo is a very stealthy install. [up]

dougyfresh
01-28-2011, 04:01 PM
Very Clean.

I can't wait for a ride.

viziers
01-28-2011, 04:02 PM
Hope the tune goes well, it seems everyone that goes with a custom big turbo setup can never get it tuned worth a damn. Excited to see this beast out in AZ!


Thats not true Vast's BT tune is working great as they just dynoed their B7 at 400WHP and mine is going to be dynoed hopefully in the next few weeks, fingers crossed I can near what they put down then get my ass up there for the fine tuning.......

viceprp
01-28-2011, 04:03 PM
The RS4 injectors are 480cc, correct? I would think you would make them out fairly quick. Why not upgrade to a larger injector?

slimmj0k3r
01-28-2011, 04:26 PM
The RS4 injectors are 480cc, correct? I would think you would make them out fairly quick. Why not upgrade to a larger injector?

There is simply nothing else right now. We've explored MANY options. The only alternative will run about $4000 for a set and from what I've been hearing they're not all that much better, I only know of 1 car running them.
We've even tried modifying the stock injectors

Once more people start going bt we hope to see something eventually I hope, right now the market really isn't there IMO

nnnick
01-28-2011, 04:51 PM
Thats not true Vast's BT tune is working great as they just dynoed their B7 at 400WHP and mine is going to be dynoed hopefully in the next few weeks, fingers crossed I can near what they put down then get my ass up there for the fine tuning.......

Guess I should have said everyone I know out in Arizona that has had a BT + custom tune. No one out here really does VAST tunes, so that might explain it [up]

viceprp
01-28-2011, 05:39 PM
There is simply nothing else right now. We've explored MANY options. The only alternative will run about $4000 for a set and from what I've been hearing they're not all that much better, I only know of 1 car running them.
We've even tried modifying the stock injectors

Once more people start going bt we hope to see something eventually I hope, right now the market really isn't there IMO

Didn't realize the market was that small for the B7 plateform. I'm very familiar with the B5/B6 and starting to look into the B7 a bit more (to be well rounded in my thirst for knowledge). I hope you get all things squared away and break that 400whp marker. The inj will be a big factor.

projectb7
01-28-2011, 05:48 PM
Damn... looking good! I want to see some dyno nummers..

viziers
01-28-2011, 06:47 PM
Guess I should have said everyone I know out in Arizona that has had a BT + custom tune. No one out here really does VAST tunes, so that might explain it [up]

Haha, yes that deffinately would explain a bit...

slimmj0k3r
01-28-2011, 07:03 PM
Guess I should have said everyone I know out in Arizona that has had a BT + custom tune. No one out here really does VAST tunes, so that might explain it [up]

I haven't really heard of a solid tuning shop out in AZ. Evoms does rock solid work on the porsche but idk about they're capabilities with the audi platform (not bashing them).

eastwick897
01-28-2011, 07:38 PM
The RS4 injectors are 480cc, correct? I would think you would make them out fairly quick. Why not upgrade to a larger injector?

They are 480cc which totally sucks for a turbo this size. We have looked into other FSI platforms,but the other injector options aren't any better. There are a few companies out there "claiming" they are working on injector solutions, but i'll believe it when I see it. These engines have great potential and it seems like the only thing figured out right now is an injector solution.

viceprp
01-29-2011, 08:48 AM
They are 480cc which totally sucks for a turbo this size. We have looked into other FSI platforms,but the other injector options aren't any better. There are a few companies out there "claiming" they are working on injector solutions, but i'll believe it when I see it. These engines have great potential and it seems like the only thing figured out right now is an injector solution.

I just don't see why the B7 platform doesn't have larger injectors yet. The car has been out for 5+ years and from day one, tuners should have known the market will BOOMIG for any Turbo Charged Audi. For an HTA35, I wouldn't go any smaller than an 830cc inj for my platform. What kind of numbers have you seen with your setup? Just hard to imagine a turbo setup with improper fueling. Really is a shame.

slimmj0k3r
01-29-2011, 09:01 AM
I just don't see why the B7 platform doesn't have larger injectors yet. The car has been out for 5+ years and from day one, tuners should have known the market will BOOMIG for any Turbo Charged Audi. For an HTA35, I wouldn't go any smaller than an 830cc inj for my platform. What kind of numbers have you seen with your setup? Just hard to imagine a turbo setup with improper fueling. Really is a shame.

Forgot to mention that the FSI is also a pain in the arse.

viceprp
01-29-2011, 09:18 AM
Forgot to mention that the FSI is also a pain in the arse.

Yeah, I saw the price tag on the HFFP. I couldn't imagine spending that kind of money on JUST a chip, but BAT would make it worth it.

bartles
01-29-2011, 09:27 AM
There is simply nothing else right now. We've explored MANY options. The only alternative will run about $4000 for a set and from what I've been hearing they're not all that much better, I only know of 1 car running them.
We've even tried modifying the stock injectors

Once more people start going bt we hope to see something eventually I hope, right now the market really isn't there IMO
Why not run a 5th injector set up? I believe Dimitris is

eastwick897
01-29-2011, 12:32 PM
Why not run a 5th injector set up? I believe Dimitris is

It isn't as simple as just adding a 5th injector. I spoke with 034 about it, and they said that for a car that would be daily driven the car just won't run smoothly. People always think that by just adding things it solves problems. Ideally, you want your car to be smooth out of boost and a pleasure to drive. 034 isn't the only tuner who told me the car would run rough, Mark at Autospeed also said the same thing. There are rumors going around on Vortex that there is a company designing some higher flowing injectors along with a fuel rail. I would be happy with just some injectors for now.

eastwick897
01-29-2011, 12:34 PM
I just don't see why the B7 platform doesn't have larger injectors yet. The car has been out for 5+ years and from day one, tuners should have known the market will BOOMIG for any Turbo Charged Audi. For an HTA35, I wouldn't go any smaller than an 830cc inj for my platform. What kind of numbers have you seen with your setup? Just hard to imagine a turbo setup with improper fueling. Really is a shame.

I should have a dyno by the beginning of this week. I am also surprised no company has looked into developing some higher flowing injectors with the number of BT GTI's out there.

slimmj0k3r
02-08-2011, 10:13 AM
just some updates. Car is finally on the dyno!

Since I will be running 91 octane in AZ we've decided to tune the car on 87 Pump + 87 pump w/meth since the 91 here and the 91 in az are in no way comparable. Mark has tuned cars on 91 octane out west and he knows exactly what its capable of.

Dyno results by weeks end.

slimmj0k3r
02-09-2011, 05:22 PM
update, was at the shop today. We've decided to up the octane to 91 as 87 has proven to be pretty shitty. Hopefully the car will be ready on friday.


Dyno run video, only revving up to 5k


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBWDVDbvrtI

eastwick897
02-09-2011, 07:27 PM
87 FML!

dougyfresh
02-11-2011, 01:43 PM
making progress.. car is right in-line with eastwick's car right now in terms of power and performance. on 93oct.

slimmj0k3r
02-11-2011, 01:51 PM
93 ftw!!! I'm going to have to iron out the tune on AZ 91 pump. Car won't be performing at 100% since we're running this shitty 89 but oh well, Not going to post dyno numbers until I get over to AZ and fix the tune.

M-Hood
02-11-2011, 02:40 PM
Cant wait to get a chance to see the car when you get out here.

Sal_B7
02-11-2011, 02:56 PM
nice man! When you heading out to AZ? Ill be over there in June for my bro's wedding. Where in AZ you moving too?

slimmj0k3r
02-11-2011, 03:07 PM
nice man! When you heading out to AZ? Ill be over there in June for my bro's wedding. Where in AZ you moving too?

Heading out this week. Shipping the car out early next week most likely due to the weather in the mid/south west then flying out. Most likely gonna end up moving into gilbert, Haven't found a house yet and staying with my sister down in Santan Valley for the time being

derrek
02-11-2011, 03:10 PM
Gilbert is nice but the cops there are the worst.

Dangler
02-11-2011, 03:10 PM
good luck with the move man, make sure you stay strapped...its getting heated down there....might have to bust on some fools trying to jack your ride....lol

CrtchRktRcr
02-11-2011, 03:13 PM
i'm going to pee all over this thing.

Hey if you have any spare IC piping bring it for me plz.

slimmj0k3r
02-11-2011, 03:14 PM
Gilbert is nice but the cops there are the worst.

do they have PBA/FOP cards in AZ?




i'm going to pee all over this thing.

Hey if you have any spare IC piping bring it for me plz.

I can see what we have but i doubt I have anything here. Wait till i get down we can go do some hootrat shit, I'm sure we'll run into some FMIC piping

CrtchRktRcr
02-11-2011, 03:19 PM
i need some.. i grabbed a FMIC for an ungodly cheap price.. so I can't push myself to spend a ton on piping.. my buddy is a welder for Vivid so he is going to bend it and tig it all for me. shoot me an email or text. I'm done with hmwrk and getting off this fucking computer.

dougyfresh
02-11-2011, 03:20 PM
hoodrat shit [up]

dougyfresh
02-11-2011, 03:21 PM
i need some.. i grabbed a FMIC for an ungodly cheap price.. so I can't push myself to spend a ton on piping.. my buddy is a welder for Vivid so he is going to bend it and tig it all for me. shoot me an email or text. I'm done with hmwrk and getting off this fucking computer.

what do you need? i have a bunch of 2.5" piping. a 3ft straight section and a bunch of misc bends.

derrek
02-11-2011, 03:48 PM
PBA/FOP cards? i dont think so but im not %100. most of Gilbert cops are on a power trip and will give you a ticket for anything.

slimmj0k3r
02-11-2011, 04:09 PM
PBA/FOP cards? i dont think so but im not %100. most of Gilbert cops are on a power trip and will give you a ticket for anything.

Yeah, PBA card holders can be donators and or family/friends of police officers. FOP is family only direct relation such as brother/sister/mother/father.

slimmj0k3r
02-12-2011, 05:30 PM
Car is back in my hands and stronger than ever. will take some videos tomorrow of 3rd-4th gear pulls.

slimmj0k3r
04-13-2011, 08:11 PM
Posting up some logs tonight, Stay tuned.

Insane_Audi
04-13-2011, 08:16 PM
Posting up some logs tonight, Stay tuned.

where are those videos!

Mister W
04-13-2011, 08:16 PM
Excuse my newbie question and maybe i'm missing the point....but it wouldn't had be cheaper just to buy an S4 or turbo'ed a 3.2 to achieve the same power?

Gil2.0T
04-13-2011, 09:21 PM
Gilbert is nice but the cops there are the worst.

Im Gilbert.

Also in for Vids

Insane_Audi
04-13-2011, 09:33 PM
Excuse my newbie question and maybe i'm missing the point....but it wouldn't had be cheaper just to buy an S4 or turbo'ed a 3.2 to achieve the same power?

no

eastwick897
04-13-2011, 09:38 PM
Excuse my newbie question and maybe i'm missing the point....but it wouldn't had be cheaper just to buy an S4 or turbo'ed a 3.2 to achieve the same power?

1. S4 is not faster then this car and does not have nearly as much potential of making high horsepower compared to this car. The point is, it's like asking "why wouldn't you buy an A6, it's bigger and nicer". This is his car and and in an attempt to personalize something that is his. (FYI: Men's Health had an article a few months back as to why men constantly modify their cars and personalize them. Great article I had to show the wifey and family as to why we are all addicted to modding our cars).
2. It sucks on gas.
3. Do you realize the extent into which making a turbo 3.2L would be? Granted it has been done but I assure you for much more then you would imagine.

slimmj0k3r
04-13-2011, 09:49 PM
Oops i forgot about those vids, I will try and get some this weekend on a local cruise. Me trying to film ftl, take a look at this video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLP0MBoxjxE


I'll see if I can get a local friend who helped me do the logs today to chime in on how the car rides.

viperdsa
04-13-2011, 10:03 PM
How was tuning it with the different dish shape on the pistons? I have heard from 2 different shops that I have been looking at for tunes after my motor is built, and they recommended pistons with the correct fsi dish due to the fact that it plays a large part in how the fuel and air mix in the cylinder.

Mister W
04-13-2011, 10:26 PM
(FYI: Men's Health had an article a few months back as to why men constantly modify their cars and personalize them. Great article I had to show the wifey and family as to why we are all addicted to modding our cars).


I would like to show that article to my GF :)

slimmj0k3r
04-13-2011, 10:47 PM
How was tuning it with the different dish shape on the pistons? I have heard from 2 different shops that I have been looking at for tunes after my motor is built, and they recommended pistons with the correct fsi dish due to the fact that it plays a large part in how the fuel and air mix in the cylinder.

We didn't experience any problems with these pistons. I've heard some stories about CP pistons but thus far mine have been great (knock on wood). I don't think we logged afr today but i'm sure if there were any problems my tuner would have caught it when he did my file.

M-Hood
04-13-2011, 11:18 PM
Excuse my newbie question and maybe i'm missing the point....but it wouldn't had be cheaper just to buy an S4 or turbo'ed a 3.2 to achieve the same power?

You say it like its easy to turbo charge a 3.2 liter. lol

truls000
04-13-2011, 11:42 PM
sUBSCRIBED :)

viziers
04-14-2011, 05:39 AM
In for vids, not that I should talk but i'm in anyways......



vizi

M-Hood
04-14-2011, 08:44 AM
Any chance you want to come out to Fontana on the 23rd? There is an IDRC drag event that day at the California Dragway.

crazytex21
04-14-2011, 09:03 AM
I would like to show that article to my GF :)

http://www.menshealth.com/best-life/men-and-cars there it is. pretty awesome article. i read it a while back.

MCT9891
04-14-2011, 01:17 PM
Excuse my newbie question and maybe i'm missing the point....but it wouldn't had be cheaper just to buy an S4 or turbo'ed a 3.2 to achieve the same power?

This car will be walking rs4's the way it is, let alone s4's..
Boosted is just better, and 3.2's aren't turbo friendly like a vr6 is for example.

slimmj0k3r
04-14-2011, 01:51 PM
Any chance you want to come out to Fontana on the 23rd? There is an IDRC drag event that day at the California Dragway.

You know I can't resist a trip to Californa but the 23rd is bad for me. Got some stuff I have to take care of in the AM and I'll be stuck until 12 or so, If I leave when I get out I won't make it till about 4 or 5 in the afternoon

slimmj0k3r
04-18-2011, 04:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNcHWNSfEaM

some fly bys in there

Hammer
04-18-2011, 05:06 PM
Great to see the FSI being pushed to new levels. Whoever did your welds is quite talented. [up]

M-Hood
04-18-2011, 05:52 PM
You know I can't resist a trip to Californa but the 23rd is bad for me. Got some stuff I have to take care of in the AM and I'll be stuck until 12 or so, If I leave when I get out I won't make it till about 4 or 5 in the afternoon

How about May 1st? There is a Bug-In event at Fontana that day.

slimmj0k3r
05-13-2011, 09:39 PM
Just some updates for you guys, Changing my exhaust setup. I've grown tired of my RAI exhaust.

Going with a single FULL 3" V-Band exhaust with a magnaflow resonator and muffler. No exhaust tip, I'm going to be covering up the rear valence holes for a cleaner look.

Will be attending the AZ 10 year anniversary next weekend if any other B7ers will be in attendance!

eastwick897
05-13-2011, 09:42 PM
Going to look sick.

MCT9891
05-13-2011, 11:42 PM
Looks great! I got a ride in Danny's car and it pulled like hell

slimmj0k3r
05-14-2011, 03:18 PM
Looks great! I got a ride in Danny's car and it pulled like hell

93ftw! Car feels great with 91 but nowhere near the same power. I've been meaning to tweak the tune, just never got around to it and I'm enjoying it, I've put about 6k on her already since feb and show season is just about to kick off, I'm sure I'll be at around 30k in summer

dougyfresh
05-16-2011, 06:30 PM
Going with a single FULL 3" V-Band exhaust with a magnaflow resonator and muffler. No exhaust tip, I'm going to be covering up the rear valence holes for a cleaner look.


That's actually what i want to do and then fill in the passenger side hole on my S4 rear.

MCT9891
05-16-2011, 06:48 PM
am i the only who is iffy about the whole no exhaust tip thing?
I mean to each his own, but do you have a photo of the rear of your car? I have a friend who's great at photoshop, he's here on AZ (S4 Big Head)
Let me know if you'd like to see it done before actually doing it.

slimmj0k3r
05-16-2011, 09:37 PM
am i the only who is iffy about the whole no exhaust tip thing?
I mean to each his own, but do you have a photo of the rear of your car? I have a friend who's great at photoshop, he's here on AZ (S4 Big Head)
Let me know if you'd like to see it done before actually doing it.

I've done it on Photoshop and I personally like it. It's dual tips showing or nothing, On the fence about showing a single tip

slimmj0k3r
05-16-2011, 09:41 PM
and here's a pic

http://solidflow.net/photoshoot/9.jpg

don't have the one i edited but this was the photo i used

dougyfresh
05-17-2011, 03:04 PM
I've done it on Photoshop and I personally like it. It's dual tips showing or nothing, On the fence about showing a single tip

I'm gonna have dual tips coming out of the muffler on one side of the car. Ala B5 S4 style.

MCT9891
05-17-2011, 10:20 PM
don't have the one i edited but this was the photo i used

As long as you've seen it and like it, then go for it!
I think it would look great for a stanced car on bags, aggressive wheels, etc... For a fast car I'd rather see meaty exhaust tips!
but that's just my opinion.

slimmj0k3r
05-18-2011, 11:11 PM
Changed my cam follower tonight.

After about 7k, here's what it looked like

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/Slimmj0k3r/IMG-20110518-00115.jpg

Not too bad but i swapped in a new follower for the upcoming road trip.

Picture makes it look a bit weird but the black was just chipping away really.

slimmj0k3r
05-20-2011, 01:17 AM
On my way to SF for the weekend when the car went down.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/Slimmj0k3r/Screenshot2011-05-20at121501AM.png

Getting her back to AZ and will find out whats up on Monday.

Bluea4AWD
05-20-2011, 07:57 AM
Damn thats sick. I can only imagine whats 400whp on a awd. Last year when I traded my 08 civic si, was pushing 424whp at 12psi but only FWD on a similar turbo, the precision 6262, modified with water cooled too.
Did you get your final numbers yet?

Sprode
05-20-2011, 08:38 AM
Why would you get something as big as a 6262 and only run 12psi? You give up so much for a peak number, and 12psi isn't even in the efficiency range of that compressor

dougyfresh
05-20-2011, 10:01 AM
Why would you get something as big as a 6262 and only run 12psi? You give up so much for a peak number, and 12psi isn't even in the efficiency range of that compressor

Read this thread: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/347656-Preview-to-my-HTA3582r-build...?highlight=

Boost is limited because fuel is limited (thanks to the small FSI injectors). If they could get more fuel into the engine than they can run more boost.

M-Hood
05-20-2011, 01:33 PM
Dough pretty sure he was asking about the 6262 setup on that persons 08 Civic SI.

The FSI is only limted by the size of the 4 FSI injectors, this is why so many FSI cars are running 5th or even 4 extra injectors and are pushing 30+psi on pretty big turbos.

There is no limit if you know what your doing.

Dan[FN]6262
05-20-2011, 01:47 PM
On my way to SF for the weekend when the car went down.


dude, that sucks so bad. I had the same thing happen to me on wednesday. Now I have bent exhaust valves.

viziers
05-20-2011, 03:38 PM
Slim, so sorry to hear about this!!! I hope it's not to serious.... Did it atleast happen with low rpm's??



vizi

slimmj0k3r
05-20-2011, 04:10 PM
5857;6526894']dude, that sucks so bad. I had the same thing happen to me on wednesday. Now I have bent exhaust valves.

Yeah I was speaking to mike a little earlier and he said you went through the same thing. Car is back at the shop now and we're going to pull it apart on monday, I'm going to enjoy my SF trip regardless!

And vizi honestly at that point we weren't on it. I was in 6th cruising at like 90 if I remember correctly and then power just dropped and dropped until the car shut off

Bluea4AWD
05-21-2011, 10:16 AM
Yea, I was talking about my old civic si 08. With only 12psi I was able to reach 420whp on a dynojet, the main reason is because the engine on the Si has a 11.1 compression, which is pretty high, and also flows pretty good.

viziers
05-22-2011, 05:41 AM
And vizi honestly at that point we weren't on it. I was in 6th cruising at like 90 if I remember correctly and then power just dropped and dropped until the car shut off


Well hopefully the damage is not too bad! I'll keep my fingers crossed for ya!



vizi

A 4 Awesome
05-22-2011, 04:53 PM
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Sprode
05-22-2011, 08:15 PM
Yea, I was talking about my old civic si 08. With only 12psi I was able to reach 420whp on a dynojet, the main reason is because the engine on the Si has a 11.1 compression, which is pretty high, and also flows pretty good.

My point is why use such a big turbo when you aren't even close to maxing it? You waste so much spool time.

M-Hood
05-23-2011, 08:00 AM
My point is why use such a big turbo when you aren't even close to maxing it? You waste so much spool time.

its called rpms and a civic motor can rev higher then we rev our 1.8t. Plus it helps to have a turbo that spools up later in the rpms when its on a FWD car. The VW guys do it too.

Bluea4AWD
05-23-2011, 09:30 AM
The higher compression on that civic si engine, helped out alot. It has a 2.0 engine with a 11.1 compression. The spool did affect a bit, in my opinion it was a huge turbo for a such a small engine. Putting down 424whp was insane. Back then I was dyno-addicted and just wanted to break 400whp. It wasnt very drivable when fully spooled on the street, I would easily loose control.... and even got into an accident... sucked. but oh well.
Here's a link of my build on the 8thcivic website.
http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/turbocharging/175399-radicalblackcivics-ajp-turbo-build.html

slimmj0k3r
05-23-2011, 12:50 PM
Let's keep this thread on topic guys..

slimmj0k3r
05-24-2011, 11:01 PM
Look what we found

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/Slimmj0k3r/ba83455f.jpg

derrek
05-25-2011, 01:10 AM
i was bummed when we pulled it out :(

ryanworth
05-25-2011, 01:59 AM
Ouch that's gnarly! Haha. Didnt end up seeing you at Infineon either, where were you guys at?


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viziers
05-25-2011, 06:05 AM
Did it get snagged on something?? How did that happen on a brand new TB???? Shit that sucks, sorry Slim!



vizi

Dangler
05-25-2011, 07:24 AM
about to tackle my timing belt this weekend...

hope you get this all sorted out man.

slimmj0k3r
05-25-2011, 07:28 AM
Ouch that's gnarly! Haha. Didnt end up seeing you at Infineon either, where were you guys at?


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Oh we made it, we were at the show for a few hours and left before the parade lap. We actually cruised up with randy and nick

Vizi - at this point we don't know what caused it, going to check the other timing belt components in a few days.

slimmj0k3r
05-29-2011, 01:24 AM
And so the tear down has begun

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/Slimmj0k3r/photo-5.jpg

This was from friday night. I managed to get the radiator off and drained so i can see the front of the motor. Everything timing wise looks pretty good so far. Hopefully we'll be able to pull the head this week and figure what caused it.

Keeping my fingers crossed that my bottom end is fine.

derrek
05-29-2011, 02:22 AM
VR6T dont be a bitch!

M-Hood
05-29-2011, 07:00 AM
VR6T dont be a bitch!

That is so 2009. lol

eastwick897
05-29-2011, 06:42 PM
Isay do vr6T lol if my motor ever takes a dump that what i'm throwing in next.

DRAKLORE
05-29-2011, 07:11 PM
Good luck man hopefully just minute damage (fingers crossed)

yayjohnny
05-29-2011, 07:11 PM
Damn. Sorry to hear. Hope all is goooood though

slimmj0k3r
06-09-2011, 12:23 AM
Some more carnage pictures. We got the head off and the pistons were def hit (look at those silver makrs). Also pretty much all the valves were bent as well.


http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/Slimmj0k3r/photo-7.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/Slimmj0k3r/photo-8.jpg

Heads going to the machine shop tomorrow, most likely end up replacing the valves. Pistons are still up in the air but I have a good feeling that I will end up replacing them as well.

yayjohnny
06-09-2011, 12:44 AM
Damn... What could've caused this?!

viperdsa
06-09-2011, 12:47 AM
Damn... What could've caused this?!

look 13 posts above yours

M-Hood
06-09-2011, 08:39 AM
The belt snapping isn't the cause of all that damage, it had to have snapped afterwards. Something made the timing of the cams change to cause all that damage before the belt completely snapped. Belt might have even been skipping some teeth before it completely let go.

If the marks into the pistons are just at the surface and none of the edges of the piston are damaged you could always look at having the top of the pistons smoothed down a little.

slimmj0k3r
06-09-2011, 12:23 PM
The belt snapping isn't the cause of all that damage, it had to have snapped afterwards. Something made the timing of the cams change to cause all that damage before the belt completely snapped. Belt might have even been skipping some teeth before it completely let go.

If the marks into the pistons are just at the surface and none of the edges of the piston are damaged you could always look at having the top of the pistons smoothed down a little.

I'll call you tonight, the marks aren't really close to the edge but some of the scratches are a slightly deep. and I'll try to get some better pics of each piston

DRAKLORE
06-09-2011, 05:09 PM
Did you have trouble with those two head studs? It's always when things are at their best, that something shitty like this happens!

martin0079
06-09-2011, 07:40 PM
I am sure you have your reasons but why did you not go with H beam rods they are stronger

eastwick897
06-09-2011, 09:26 PM
I am sure you have your reasons but why did you not go with H beam rods they are stronger

Rods had absolutely NOTHING to do with what happened. By the way the rods he is running, are actually stronger then the H-beam design.

A4 Centaur
06-09-2011, 09:26 PM
Hey, if the valves touched the pistons at all. You need to replace everything:wrist pins and pistons. I have went through this before and wound up replacing everything the second time. You can't cut corners when something like this happens. IMO.

Good luck!! You have a nice ride there!

derrek
06-09-2011, 10:02 PM
We went and looked at cars today, talk him into keeping the B7!

slimmj0k3r
06-09-2011, 11:18 PM
Hey, if the valves touched the pistons at all. You need to replace everything:wrist pins and pistons. I have went through this before and wound up replacing everything the second time. You can't cut corners when something like this happens. IMO.

Good luck!! You have a nice ride there!

And thats exactly how I feel dude. I'm sure we can get away with having them re-surfaced but shit i'm tempted to just replace them all. I dont want to go down this road twice because at that point i'm going to throw in the towel

martin0079
06-10-2011, 01:36 AM
Rods had absolutely NOTHING to do with what happened. By the way the rods he is running, are actually stronger then the H-beam design.

Yea dude did I say anywhere in my post that Rods caused this? Anwser: NO.

And everyone tries to pull the I beams are stronger than the H beams, but the H beams are designed to be the stronger at the weekest point of the rod, but lets not get into that you already shot your foot.

M-Hood
06-10-2011, 07:51 AM
Hey, if the valves touched the pistons at all. You need to replace everything:wrist pins and pistons. I have went through this before and wound up replacing everything the second time. You can't cut corners when something like this happens. IMO.

Good luck!! You have a nice ride there!

I have seen some 1.8t owners just end up replacing just the valves and not have any issues down the road. The valves are much weaker then the pistons/rods/wrist pins. Which is why the valves are the ones that bend/snap.

If he wanted he could even turn the marks on the pistons into valve reliefs which is what you will already designed into some of the aftermarket pistons. If money is not a issue then yes replacing the pistons is a good option, but not everyone is made of money and 4 new pistons aren't exactly pocket change for most. If he has aftermarket rods in there already there really wouldn't be a point in replacing them.

DRAKLORE
06-10-2011, 08:26 AM
I think he should do what his heart desires...IIRC

And then tear shit up :-)
Rub the belts face in the pistons and valves, like a dog that shit on your new carpet...
IMHO
Just my .02

slimmj0k3r
06-10-2011, 09:28 AM
If i was a baller i would replace the pistons but if they can be re-used I will end up going that route.

Valves are going to set me back a few hundred [headbang]

eastwick897
06-10-2011, 09:53 PM
Yea dude did I say anywhere in my post that Rods caused this? Anwser: NO.

And everyone tries to pull the I beams are stronger than the H beams, but the H beams are designed to be the stronger at the weekest point of the rod, but lets not get into that you already shot your foot.

Why did you ask about the rods then? I don't get where you were going with that...

I guess that's why IE's "stronger" rod is an I-beam. I guess you just know something everyone else doesn't. I don't "shot foots" btw I usually keep my firearms pointed in a safe direction.... Good one though... I guess...

M-Hood
06-11-2011, 07:48 AM
If i was a baller i would replace the pistons but if they can be re-used I will end up going that route.

Valves are going to set me back a few hundred [headbang]

Yeah and no point in increasing the cost with parts you might not need to replace.

BTW since your car is down you mind sending me your HTA35 so I can borrow it and try making 700whp?[:D]

slimmj0k3r
06-11-2011, 01:10 PM
Yeah and no point in increasing the cost with parts you might not need to replace.

BTW since your car is down you mind sending me your HTA35 so I can borrow it and try making 700whp?[:D]

we can do this! as long as i get to drive a little bit haha.

we'll be in SD in july for socal euro, I will be sure to hit you up

M-Hood
06-11-2011, 02:35 PM
Well I am just looking for a good 35r size turbo to use till my EFR shows up and at this point I am not sure when that is going to show up and I want to get back to the track to do more drag racing.
I actually hope to have my EFR on the car for the socal event.

martin0079
06-12-2011, 01:34 AM
Why did you ask about the rods then? I don't get where you were going with that...

I guess that's why IE's "stronger" rod is an I-beam. I guess you just know something everyone else doesn't. I don't "shot foots" btw I usually keep my firearms pointed in a safe direction.... Good one though... I guess...

No where just wanted to know that was the first time I bothered to read through this thread.

They all call it "Stronger". But my buddy tried them on his supra I think he had it set up for like 800 or 900 using two different sets of 1000HP I beam rods first two blocks punched through the block didnt make it a day didnt even get to really get on the car he was still breaking the engine in on the third block he use the h beam 900HP rods still running last I spoke to him. So thats all I can say on the rod thing as to why I would run h beams.

slimmj0k3r
06-20-2011, 01:09 PM
Just an update.

So we've got the head at the machine shop and working on that as we speak.

At this point I've decided to Part out the car and sell as is. I've had tons of fun with this car but its time to move onto something smaller for the time being.

Majority of the parts have been sold but the Turbo + lines, manifold + wastegate, and downpipe are still left. Those interested feel free to PM me.

As far as the motor itself, I will be selling it with a built bottom end and head but all stock otherwise, great platform to go BT. Those interested feel free to PM Me.

eastwick897
06-20-2011, 02:05 PM
Sad to see you go man...

saizero
06-20-2011, 02:55 PM
wow... shame to see this go, especially after all the time and money put into this project.

slimmj0k3r
06-20-2011, 03:00 PM
wow... shame to see this go, especially after all the time and money put into this project.

Tell me about it, but i didn't get into this build so i'd have to rebuild it, reliability was my number one priority and unfortunately it fell short somewhere. I'd rather do this now and make back some money than rebuild it and run the risk of something else going wrong and end up down the same path.

I'm pretty sure it was the cams btw, everything else on the motor has held up really well.

M-Hood
06-20-2011, 04:33 PM
Its just very odd that it broke so soon after replacing the pump follower.

slimmj0k3r
06-20-2011, 04:38 PM
Its just very odd that it broke so soon after replacing the pump follower.

that follower was fine btw mike, same condition I put it in.

M-Hood
06-20-2011, 04:43 PM
Ok. But I just dont see the cams themself failing seeing that they were working all that time. I can see if a cam wheel or cam chain failed. Could have been also something in the valve train that jammed.

slimmj0k3r
06-20-2011, 04:46 PM
Ok. But I just dont see the cams themself failing seeing that they were working all that time. I can see if a cam wheel or cam chain failed. Could have been also something in the valve train that jammed.

I'll find out soon enough.

DRAKLORE
06-20-2011, 07:09 PM
Sorry that it didn't work out in the end, :-/ seems like this platform is a killer to make those Big HP numbers. Not sure why because this same motor has yielded some pretty impressive results elsewhere :-/ good luck with the part out and I hope someone else makes some big numbers reliably with your components :-)

slimmj0k3r
07-06-2011, 02:22 PM
Machine shop came back and said it looked like the cam is what locked up.

Rebuilding the head and selling the car.

Its time to get ready to move onto my next project [evilsmile]

saizero
07-06-2011, 02:45 PM
that sucks. so... what next?

AudiA4_20T
07-06-2011, 03:00 PM
Damn Stefan that is so frustrating man.

slimmj0k3r
07-06-2011, 11:21 PM
that sucks. so... what next?

Honestly nothing too crazy, I'm only going Stg 2+ on my next car. I've got other things in my life that I need to take care of before I jump balls deep into something else. I'm torn between quite a few different choices but to name a few: Golf R, B8 A4 possibly, 335, mini cooper. There are so many other choices haha its going to be tough. I've got my DD so I won't be hoping into anything right right away.

Down the line I want to get an avant. I haven't decided on what type yet though, maybe a b5 s4 or maybe a b6 a4. I'm also looking at picking up an older audi with my buddies and fix that up as a track toy but we'll see



Damn Stefan that is so frustrating man.

tell me about it dude, I was really enjoying the car too and then this happened.

Quattro
07-07-2011, 01:25 AM
dang amigo! ill call you tomorrow and talk to you about this :(

dougyfresh
07-08-2011, 11:25 AM
Stay away from mini cooper. Seems like everyone I know has major problems with them.

slimmj0k3r
09-22-2011, 03:19 PM
After an unsuccessful BT part out, I MIGHT be back....BUT i want an avant. Does anyone want to trade bodies? My Sedan for your Avant.

saizero
09-22-2011, 03:24 PM
yay! :)

viziers
09-22-2011, 03:25 PM
I'm glad to see your back... What will your plans be?




vizi

slimmj0k3r
09-22-2011, 04:50 PM
Same bottom end, same turbo setup, stock head, revised tune =)

eastwick897
09-22-2011, 05:47 PM
Glad to see you back my friend.

DRAKLORE
09-27-2011, 10:10 PM
Awesome :-) any new update. Sorry bout the partout, I know your stuff was premium and would take a hard bargain. You had all the makings of a legend :-) what do you mean "different route for tuning" :-)

slimmj0k3r
10-10-2011, 06:13 PM
Awesome :-) any new update. Sorry bout the partout, I know your stuff was premium and would take a hard bargain. You had all the makings of a legend :-) what do you mean "different route for tuning" :-)

I won't be running Aftermarket cams in my rebuild, sticking with the stock ones. Head will be built otherwise.

My tunes is setup to run with the Schrick cams so I'll have to get that adjusted and also we never finalized my tune when i got out here, I'm currently running a watered down tune that mark made for me.

slimmj0k3r
10-10-2011, 06:17 PM
and we're off.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/Slimmj0k3r/3207bc5e.jpg

Finally getting the ball rolling, She'll be back and better than ever. Plans are to downgrade the turbo but I'll be running the 35r until I can sell it and locate all I need for the new turbo =)

I'm aiming to have her back on the road by november, stay tuned [:D]

oh and its my birthday...woot!!

Operator
10-10-2011, 08:08 PM
Happy B-day!!! And looking forward to your next build!!!! Any ideas?!?

slimmj0k3r
10-10-2011, 08:35 PM
Same setup for the most part. We still have yet to determine what caused the problem but I've been reading about oil pump failure and the fsi motor, oil pump could have failed but won't know until we get there.

More once we get the bottom end torn apart.

saizero
10-10-2011, 09:17 PM
Happy Birthday and happy hunting for the gremlin that messed you up!

M-Hood
10-10-2011, 09:21 PM
and we're off.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/Slimmj0k3r/3207bc5e.jpg

Finally getting the ball rolling, She'll be back and better than ever. Plans are to downgrade the turbo but I'll be running the 35r until I can sell it and locate all I need for the new turbo =)

I'm aiming to have her back on the road by november, stay tuned [:D]

oh and its my birthday...woot!!

Want to trade turbos?

DRAKLORE
10-10-2011, 10:01 PM
3076r I suspect? I'm not really sure what the most efficient turbo for this motor is yet. Slim what are you looking to do with the car?
I'm really hoping next year I can start tracking mine. Gonna have to get deployed soon so I can bank enough moneys to finish her though.

If I do, I'll take a trip over to AZ and we can do a meet and greet :-)
Any excuse to visit AZ!

Shane Drake


Ps-it's Stefan correct?

slimmj0k3r
10-10-2011, 10:40 PM
Want to trade turbos?

I replied to your email this past weekend, let's chat there.



3076r I suspect? I'm not really sure what the most efficient turbo for this motor is yet. Slim what are you looking to do with the car?
I'm really hoping next year I can start tracking mine. Gonna have to get deployed soon so I can bank enough moneys to finish her though.

If I do, I'll take a trip over to AZ and we can do a meet and greet :-)
Any excuse to visit AZ!

Shane Drake


Ps-it's Stefan correct?

3076 it is, for what we are capable of as far as fueling goes I feel that the 3076 is ideal, HTA 3076 btw. Same setup for the most part, no aftermarket cams but some other goodies pending on what we find went wrong. I do plan on putting the balance shaft back in but again we'll see what we find.

Take a trip out to AZ it's nice out here dude and the weather right now till about may or so is perfect. Let me know if your planning a trip!

And yes it's stefan.

slimmj0k3r
10-13-2011, 07:47 PM
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/Slimmj0k3r/5d64a743.jpg

We'd have more progress with the bottom end but the crank bolt is quite tight....still working on getting that off.

M-Hood
10-14-2011, 08:19 AM
Have you thought of maybe going with a Comp Turbo? Say a Triple ceramic ball bearing 5558 which would actually cost you less money then a HTA30r.

dougyfresh
10-14-2011, 10:10 AM
figure out root cause, rebuild the motor and then think about a new turbo. don't put the cart before the horse.

slimmj0k3r
10-14-2011, 12:08 PM
That's the plan, going to get it back with the 35r and go from there! Still looking for that 3076 housing in the meanwhile

M-Hood
10-14-2011, 01:58 PM
figure out root cause, rebuild the motor and then think about a new turbo. don't put the cart before the horse.

He already knows what caused the motor fail. People on Vortex have posted about the same issue with a stock motor.



That's the plan, going to get it back with the 35r and go from there! Still looking for that 3076 housing in the meanwhile

GT3076 housing? Because the HTA30r uses the same compressor housing that your HTA35r has.

dougyfresh
10-14-2011, 03:26 PM
He already knows what caused the motor fail. People on Vortex have posted about the same issue with a stock motor.

Doesn't mean that is the root cause of HIS issue. He won't know until he looks at everything in the motor. Stop trying to force a sale for an item at this point in time that is not critical to getting the vehicle operational again.

jimrobbington
10-15-2011, 04:04 PM
I finally read everything that happened to your car. Shitty balls man. Really glad that you had to stick it out and stay with us. I wish nothing but good things upon you, and hopefully you have time for some xbox when bf3 comes out in 10 days.

Jonathan

M-Hood
10-15-2011, 05:37 PM
Doesn't mean that is the root cause of HIS issue. He won't know until he looks at everything in the motor. Stop trying to force a sale for an item at this point in time that is not critical to getting the vehicle operational again.

No one is forcing a sale on him, its called OPTIONS seeing that he has already made up his mind to go down to a smaller turbo and I was interested in taking the HTA35 off his hands seeing that it looks like it will be a while till my EFR gets here. It isn't like I haven't talked to Stefan by email, phone or in person about what happen to his car.

slimmj0k3r
10-15-2011, 05:42 PM
I finally read everything that happened to your car. Shitty balls man. Really glad that you had to stick it out and stay with us. I wish nothing but good things upon you, and hopefully you have time for some xbox when bf3 comes out in 10 days.

Jonathan

I'm getting it for the PC most likely, I was not too impressed with the 360 version. I will however be on MW3!

1NaudiA4
10-24-2011, 10:35 PM
slimmj0k3r : Shoot me a PM when you have a chance.... your PM box is full.

I have a HTA30r and am looking to swap it out for a HTA35r

slimmj0k3r
10-29-2011, 05:38 PM
took apart my turbo yesterday

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/Slimmj0k3r/th_c37f32ac.jpg (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/Slimmj0k3r/?action=view&current=c37f32ac.jpg)
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http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/Slimmj0k3r/th_58e39730.jpg (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/Slimmj0k3r/?action=view&current=58e39730.jpg)
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/Slimmj0k3r/th_ec32e348.jpg (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/Slimmj0k3r/?action=view&current=ec32e348.jpg)
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/Slimmj0k3r/th_3b61c882.jpg (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/Slimmj0k3r/?action=view&current=3b61c882.jpg)
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/Slimmj0k3r/th_3c6842f9.jpg (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/Slimmj0k3r/?action=view&current=3c6842f9.jpg)

DRAKLORE
10-29-2011, 11:41 PM
Were you expecting to find damage.?

slimmj0k3r
10-30-2011, 12:44 PM
No, need to take some measurements from the turbo to compare with my new turbo.

EuroA4
10-30-2011, 02:08 PM
Damn dude...sorry to see this. How old was your TB? Do you think tensioner is bad causing belt to over tighten?

UkuRiSh
11-06-2011, 10:21 PM
where hit full boost ?

slimmj0k3r
11-14-2011, 06:47 PM
where hit full boost ?

Not quite sure dude, i started spooling around 3800. After that I tried to keep my eyes on the road haha

slimmj0k3r
11-18-2011, 04:23 PM
New turbo is in!

Does anyone need 35r turbine housing?! I've got one for sale

DRAKLORE
11-18-2011, 05:32 PM
You guys ever get that crank bolt situation resolved?

derrek
11-18-2011, 11:15 PM
You guys ever get that crank bolt situation resolved?
We had a cat tech come out with his big impact 3/4 or 1 inch, it didn't budge. but it did snap his adapter.

viziers
11-19-2011, 05:25 AM
I know on a Corrado g60 the crank bolt is torqued to 500ft lbs!




vizi

CorneliusRox
11-19-2011, 11:17 PM
This is a pretty cool thread! Glad to see you stuck with it. BTW, in aviation, some engines get torqued well beyond 500ftlb.
So if there is an airport by you that does jet engine repairs, they might be able to hook you up!

DRAKLORE
11-20-2011, 11:21 AM
Most impact guns are rated for well over 700ftlbs
My titanium ingersol rand 1/2" was rated for 1000ft/lbs in reverse.

slimmj0k3r
11-20-2011, 01:45 PM
This is a pretty cool thread! Glad to see you stuck with it. BTW, in aviation, some engines get torqued well beyond 500ftlb.
So if there is an airport by you that does jet engine repairs, they might be able to hook you up!

my brother in laws brother works at Boeing, I will see if he knows of any places.

Going to make a few calls this week and see if i can find a place to remove it and worst case cut it off.

slimmj0k3r
12-14-2011, 07:53 PM
f*ck you crank bolt.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/Slimmj0k3r/th_970a0067.jpg (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/Slimmj0k3r/?action=view&current=970a0067.jpg)

viziers
12-15-2011, 05:34 AM
Just use a 7' pipe on a breaker bar that should do the trick along with some heat... My Corrado G60 crank bolt specs were 500ft lbs of tq but at the time mt torque bar only went to 400 or 450 Ft lbs and later down the road a few months the bolt came off along with the pulley on the side of the road at 11pm at night..



vizi

eastwick897
12-15-2011, 08:16 PM
Finally got that thing off lol. Bout time

slimmj0k3r
01-18-2012, 08:42 PM
finally back at it, Glad to get the ball rolling on this.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/Slimmj0k3r/fr_262_size1024.jpg

#1
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/Slimmj0k3r/piston_1.jpg

#2
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/Slimmj0k3r/piston_2.jpg

#3
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/Slimmj0k3r/piston_3.jpg

#4
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/Slimmj0k3r/piston_4.jpg

Rods are in excellent shapes and aside from the surface scratches the pistons seem alright. The piston ring floats freely, which is a good sign but hopefully we can get it to the machine shop for thorough inspection and a solid decision as to whether or not we will be able to resurface them or if I need to purchase a new set.

Forgot to snap pics of the balance shaft delete but will get some tomorrow, pulling the crankshaft as well.

DRAKLORE
01-18-2012, 08:48 PM
Did those have the slight indentations for valve reliefs :-/ the look gnarly but hopefully the machine shop can resurface them.
I can't wait to see it back on the road :-)

DRAKLORE
01-18-2012, 08:52 PM
How did the bearings and Wrist pins fair BTW?

slimmj0k3r
01-18-2012, 08:58 PM
How did the bearings and Wrist pins fair BTW?

rod bearings are fine and I haven't taken out the wrist pins for inspection. Visually they look fine also

UkuRiSh
01-18-2012, 09:05 PM
I know how is painful almost same hapend to me , my new OEM hydraulic dampener was diffect from the fabrik and then this

http://i831.photobucket.com/albums/zz234/UkuRiSh/MY%20S4%20%20B5%20and%20b8/IMG_0897.jpg







End with new 30 valve .





http://i831.photobucket.com/albums/zz234/UkuRiSh/MY%20S4%20%20B5%20and%20b8/IMG_0956.jpg

slimmj0k3r
01-19-2012, 07:34 AM
I'll try and get some pics of the old valves, new valves are on order.

Also crank gear keyway looks damaged. Will grab some pictures tonight...

M-Hood
01-19-2012, 09:12 AM
Did those have the slight indentations for valve reliefs :-/ the look gnarly but hopefully the machine shop can resurface them.
I can't wait to see it back on the road :-)

Doesn't look like they did, he should see about having the machine shop put reliefs into them. I know someone else that is doing the same thing right now on his FSI pistons since he will be running aftermarket cams.

DRAKLORE
01-19-2012, 12:25 PM
On the OE pistons or another brand. Does he have the Crown style or bowl?

LoneStar99
01-19-2012, 09:39 PM
this has been one rollercoaster of a thread to read thru ha. good luck on the future. anxious to see how things turn out

slimmj0k3r
01-20-2012, 06:25 AM
Some more photos of the crank gear keyway and also one of the
Balance shaft delete.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/Slimmj0k3r/d9241bfb.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/Slimmj0k3r/a64c1209.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/Slimmj0k3r/18c13315.jpg

DRAKLORE
01-20-2012, 10:36 AM
How bad is the vibration in the upper RPMS with the balance shaft removed?
No matter how much you balance your engine the vibrations will still exist... Just wondering the intensity.
Because I see a maximum of 10chp being gained from the removal :-/

slimmj0k3r
01-21-2012, 08:14 AM
More

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/Slimmj0k3r/3ef05e71.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/Slimmj0k3r/b70cd83c.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/Slimmj0k3r/4a2cceb6.jpg

going to haul it all over to the machine shop monday and go from there. Still scratching my head as to what caused this to happened.

viziers
01-21-2012, 08:32 AM
Did by any chance the crank walk?? As I have heard somewhere on Vortex that it happened to a person that had done the balance shaft delete, then they modified one oof the endcaps to take a older style bearing to keep it from happening again... However I am unable to find the thread again.... As im prob going to do the balance shaft delete as well and that is my fear of that happening to me...



vizi

slimmj0k3r
01-21-2012, 08:40 AM
Did by any chance the crank walk?? As I have heard somewhere on Vortex that it happened to a person that had done the balance shaft delete, then they modified one oof the endcaps to take a older style bearing to keep it from happening again... However I am unable to find the thread again.... As im prob going to do the balance shaft delete as well and that is my fear of that happening to me...

vizi


Crank was seated fine, no movement. I'm not a huge fan of the balance shaft delete FYI but thats just me, I'm currently looking to source a low mileage OEM oil pump/balance shaft assembly.

The easiest DIY might just be to run the 1.8T oil pump, that setup will cost you $300-400 but it requires you to tap the block.

viziers
01-21-2012, 09:00 AM
Crank was seated fine, no movement. I'm not a huge fan of the balance shaft delete FYI but thats just me, I'm currently looking to source a low mileage OEM oil pump/balance shaft assembly.

The easiest DIY might just be to run the 1.8T oil pump, that setup will cost you $300-400 but it requires you to tap the block.


Thats good that it did not walk... I am still torn on doing the balance delete as I see it as being needed for some reason, lol....

That oil pump you speakog thats from Issam right??? I need to contact him about a 70mm throttle body




vizi

DRAKLORE
01-21-2012, 11:10 AM
If the vibrations are not to bad I might consider the BS delete.. Mazda friend said it was much more noticeable :-/

slimmj0k3r
01-21-2012, 04:39 PM
I'd leave it. For me the vibrations were way more noticeable esp in the steering wheel on startup. The only way i'd swap it out is if my oil pump continuously was failing. I've only heard of that on the VW platform. a $1200 oil pump/balance shaft assembly is a little much hahah

if anyone wants to trade balance shafts, let me know. I'd like to put mine back in!

slimmj0k3r
02-11-2012, 02:59 PM
Saw an 1.8 Bottom end at the shop last night, figure I'd snap a pic of the oil pump assembly.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/Slimmj0k3r/fr_290_size640.jpg

I'm pretty sure I will be swapping oil pumps, spoke with the machine shop yesterday =)

DRAKLORE
02-11-2012, 03:49 PM
Any idea how much more it flows?

slimmj0k3r
02-11-2012, 08:16 PM
It doesn't flow more but you get 2
More qts of oil and it's more reliable and less expensive than the 2.0 pump

viziers
02-12-2012, 04:30 AM
It doesn't flow more but you get 2
More qts of oil and it's more reliable and less expensive than the 2.0 pump

Stock FSI pump is roughly 1200 but the trade off is for the 1.8 to work you need to drill a hole or 2 and tap them as well as change the oil gear (i think)....



vizi

DRAKLORE
02-12-2012, 09:16 AM
I wonder if you could just change the chain, the smallest gear will be the highest flowing gear?!

slimmj0k3r
02-12-2012, 09:57 AM
Stock FSI pump is roughly 1200 but the trade off is for the 1.8 to work you need to drill a hole or 2 and tap them as well as change the oil gear (i think)....



vizi


Well worth the trade off, I've heard some stories of FSI oil pumps failing
And they're not fun hahah.

Changing the gear is easy if your going to tap the block haha

turbo944s2
02-22-2012, 07:39 PM
My valves collided with the pistons at 7000 rpm, the keyway seared from the crank pulley. Good luck getting your car back on the road.

dougyfresh
02-27-2012, 03:23 PM
I wonder if you could just change the chain, the smallest gear will be the highest flowing gear?!

Changing the final drive of the pump is asking for problems later down the road in terms of durability of the pump and improper engine oil pressure.

Operator
03-09-2012, 08:12 AM
Any plans to change any of the supporting hardware? HPFP, DP, PRV?

slimmj0k3r
04-03-2012, 01:44 PM
Any plans to change any of the supporting hardware? HPFP, DP, PRV?

Sold my APR HPFP and going with fueling from Jon @ HPFP upgrade.

Other than the 3076, setup will be the same. Will be putting the balance shaft back in as well.

M-Hood
04-03-2012, 02:42 PM
Sold my APR HPFP and going with fueling from Jon @ HPFP upgrade.

Other than the 3076, setup will be the same. Will be putting the balance shaft back in as well.

Car isn't back together yet?

BTW give me a call when you get a chance, we are driving out to AZ this weekend to check out some houses.

Operator
04-03-2012, 03:15 PM
You have an ETA for the car to be completed? And is Mark at ASP still doing the tuning. Once again impressive work!!!!

viziers
04-03-2012, 04:04 PM
Nice man, hows the rest of the build doing??? Putting the oil pump back in huh... Mine is comming out completely and having a 1.8t oil pump biut in and hopefully the balancing is good enough that what vibration is there will be very minimal... Lol


vizi

slimmj0k3r
04-03-2012, 04:21 PM
Nice man, hows the rest of the build doing??? Putting the oil pump back in huh... Mine is comming out completely and having a 1.8t oil pump biut in and hopefully the balancing is good enough that what vibration is there will be very minimal... Lol


vizi

If you are selling your OEM oil pump/balance shaft setup let me know!



You have an ETA for the car to be completed? And is Mark at ASP still doing the tuning. Once again impressive work!!!!


Dare I Say before Wuste 2012?! Which is the first wekeend in june. We shall see, had some personal shit to take care of but thats all done.

slimmj0k3r
04-15-2012, 05:39 PM
Updates coming week end, with pics hopefully =)

Operator
04-15-2012, 05:46 PM
[wrench] Looking forward to your progress!!!!

slimmj0k3r
04-24-2012, 08:21 PM
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/Slimmj0k3r/85e6e614.jpg

CorneliusRox
04-25-2012, 08:46 AM
100% back together? dang, looking like you are almost done

slimmj0k3r
04-25-2012, 09:57 AM
I wish! My parts motor just came in that is all. My bottom end should be back from the shop Thursday/Friday of this week.

M-Hood
04-25-2012, 12:42 PM
I wish! My parts motor just came in that is all. My bottom end should be back from the shop Thursday/Friday of this week.

So when it is all done any chance you will go with me to run at Speedworld?

slimmj0k3r
04-26-2012, 09:09 AM
So when it is all done any chance you will go with me to run at Speedworld?

Oh yeah, as long as my car is running.

slimmj0k3r
05-02-2012, 08:15 PM
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/Slimmj0k3r/319.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/Slimmj0k3r/320.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/Slimmj0k3r/322.jpg

New pistons came in, Mahle 83MM 9:1

Just missing rod & main bearings then I can have the assembly balanced and get to work!

okswerve16
05-02-2012, 09:26 PM
NICE!!! Get it back together!! what bolts are in the arp package?

slimmj0k3r
05-03-2012, 07:39 AM
NICE!!! Get it back together!! what bolts are in the arp package?

Cam tower bolts

okswerve16
05-03-2012, 10:18 AM
shit i didnt kno they made those def gotta grab them if I ever take the girdle off again

slimmj0k3r
05-09-2012, 11:35 AM
Just an update:

Just sent the crank, rods, new pistons, and rod bearings for balancing. Once thats all back from the machine shop I will begin re-assembling the motor.

Operator
05-09-2012, 11:43 AM
It's not even my car, and I can't wait for you to be finished!!!

slimmj0k3r
05-09-2012, 12:38 PM
It's not even my car, and I can't wait for you to be finished!!!

June 1st Is what I am aiming for, not trying to rush anything though. I'll be at the show regardless!

Need to start studying torque specs and such, i've just been lazy

CorneliusRox
05-09-2012, 02:02 PM
June 1st is coming up! How many miles are you going to go before opening her up and ironing out a tune?

slimmj0k3r
05-09-2012, 06:06 PM
June 1st is coming up! How many miles are you going to go before opening her up and ironing out a tune?


I'm following these break in instructions, taken from jeff over on audigeeks



The word "break in" is very generic and doesn't truly describe how the process entails. When your engine is freshly built (or rebuilt), the cylinder walls have been cut, and then honed. The honing process basically cuts your cylinder in a "V" pattern, so that oil can even spread around the walls. The word "breaking in" is pretty much allowing your piston rings to properly seat inside the cylinder and "smooth out" the rough and freshly-cut surfaces so that it can form a even and tight seal during it's strokes. Because of the rough walls in a new motor, you get spots in the cylinder where you the rings cannot completely seal... thus giving you what is called "blow by". Blow by (as the word entails), is when your compressed gases manages to leak through the rings and into the crank case because either the ring is not properly seated, damaged, or the the cylinder walls is scorched. In a new car, both cylinder wall as well as rings are still fresh, so blow-by is normal. On a side note, when performing tests such as a "Leak Down", what you are doing is measuring the amount of this "blow by", to see how much gases actual manages to "leak" out of the rings (and or head gasket). The more compression you have, the more power the engine is making... which is why fresh engines with blow-by will always feel weaker than broken-in ones.

Picture your cylinder wall and piston rings to be your brake rotor and pad. When new, both surfaces are rough and will not make 100% full 'contact' with each other. Engine break-in is the same concept if you think of it that way, though you have oil to lubricate and seal, whereas brakes are used to create friction. Kind of a bad scenario, but I think you get the picture. [;)] There have been many different ways of doing so, including many urban legends such as "don't drive past 70mph" or "don't rev past 4000". These methods not only PROLONG the break-in period, but may also cause your rings to NEVER seat anytime soon.

This is what I personally recommend, that allows you to drive your car daily and normally, without needing a dyno or long straight-a-way (though there are other ways):

When the engine is brand spankin' new, fill the oil with a low-viscosity base weight oil that is NOT synthetic. Synthetics have too low of a coefficient of friction (more slippery), and the purpose here is to allow the ring and wall to create enough friction to smooth each other out...so a bit friction is good. If your car is new and factory-filled with synthetics, DRAIN IT and put in your plain ol' Castrol GTX 5w30 "dino" oil. Run the dino oil for the first 50 miles, driving casually moderating the pedal gently (and not just punching it WOT). It's okay to have the revs up or drive past 70 (that's what tranny's are for!), but you want to create a LOT of vacuum... which can be done by more braking, or deceleration at a higher gear. The deceleration allows the rings to adhere and produce the friction needed to seat, and the vacuum will allow all the shavings to collect and circulate through the oil and filter. After the first 50 miles, DRAIN the oil... and notice how much metallic shavings come out (it'll look like glitter in your oil). If you see shavings, don't panic... you're doing the right thing.

Refill the oil with more dino oil, and drive for another 100 miles, and repeat the process. During the process, you will still smell some oil being burned (blow-by) through your exhaust... so constantly monitor your oil levels, because you WILL burn oil. Don't be scared to feed the engine some boost... and just drive normally while not going "balls out" at WOT/Full boost either. Remember to let engine brake (downshift) more than actually braking in a higher gear. 100 miles later, repeat the process (the metal shavings will lessen, but still be there) and refill w/ more dino oil. At this point, you will notice that your engine is becoming more responsive after the 2nd oil change (faster spool-up, less "spongy" pedal feel). You will also notice that your blow-by has lessened as well. At this point, feel free to give it a few WOT pulls. Go WOT through a single gear (such as 3rd), and then let off and let the engine decelerate on it's own in 3rd. Just don't do anything that will make your EGT's go crazy. Now drive on this for another 200-300 miles, and give it one last oil change (you should have a good 400-500 miles by now). After this oil change, I would still recommend using dino oil, but you can now extend your change intervals more and more (I'd do it at 1000mi, then 2000mi). Repeat this until you have at least 5000mi on the car, before you put in the Synthetic. You'll notice that after each oil change, your engine will become stronger with less blow-by. The purpose of the oil changes is to simply flush out all the metal shavings and junk from the newly-machined motor. Some might think that this is too complicated, but non-synthetic oils are also very cheap. Feel free to use any Fram filter (OEM if it makes you sleep better at night), for you are simply "gargling and spitting" to clean up your engine. (Same way you rinse and gargle with tap water from the hose after you throw up from being shit-faced in a parking lot...if you get this concept, then you're all good [:D])

I've done this method on all the motors I've built, including all new cars I've owned. 80k+ later (or whenever I blow it up...haha), the pistons and rings come out almost PERFECT the day they were put in. Just remember: DONT be a wuss... driving at 2000rpm's and 40mph everywhere you go, your rings will NEVER seat and you'll just glaze your walls even more. Give it gas, and let off the gas to create vacuum through deceleration...that's key. [up]


Once the break in has been completed I will start ironing out a final tune. It will be quite easy for me to rack up a few thousand miles....a few trips to CA & LV works haha

CorneliusRox
05-11-2012, 01:22 PM
hmm, that looks pretty solid and makes sense.

ericpaulyoung
05-11-2012, 02:06 PM
yup.

slimmj0k3r
05-17-2012, 11:36 AM
Rotating assembly is balanced.... One last job for the machine shop and that is to check/measure the new pistons and measure bores for proper clearance.

The rebuild shall actually begin next week I'm hoping!

DRAKLORE
05-17-2012, 12:37 PM
Yay :-)

CorneliusRox
06-15-2012, 07:58 AM
Half way through June. Any progress?!

M-Hood
06-15-2012, 10:48 AM
I sure hope he made it back from Wuste. Haven't heard from him since he left for the show.

slimmj0k3r
06-15-2012, 04:06 PM
Sorry for the lack of updates. I began putting my block together this past week but we've run into a small road block. Mahle pistons call for TIGHT piston to wall clearance, We've overshot that by about .002+ (my fault for not even checking clearance in the first place), Integrated spoke with mahle and they said anywhere between .0015 (1.5 thousandths) and .0018 (1.8) PTW clearance or 3.268 bore. I'm currently at .004 PTW clearance or 3.271 inch bore. My concern is piston knock..

My two options are at this point are:

1: Bore out my spare block accordingly.
2: Pickup some 83.5mm pistons and have my currently block bored.

Personally I didn't want to bore my spare block and keep it as stock as possible, so I've put my current pistons up for sale. Will let it ride out for the weekend and make a decision come monday, otherwise I'm ready to rock!

viziers
06-16-2012, 08:19 AM
Go with the 83.5 like me..


vizi

slimmj0k3r
06-16-2012, 02:27 PM
^^ that was the plan but i don't want to have a set of pistons just sitting there you know. Waste of money

M-Hood
06-16-2012, 10:36 PM
^^ that was the plan but i don't want to have a set of pistons just sitting there you know. Waste of money

Did you ask IE if they would be willing to exchange them for a set of 83.5mm pistons?

slimmj0k3r
06-17-2012, 11:10 AM
Did you ask IE if they would be willing to exchange them for a set of 83.5mm pistons?

of course, they present the idea to me actually however my current pistons were grounded out when i had the rotating assembly balance so IE cannot take them back.

slimmj0k3r
06-27-2012, 09:35 AM
My second block is at the machinist, got some solid PTW clearance info from Mahle so hopefully we can get the ball moving.

Tossing the idea of documenting a how-to on rebuilding your bottom end, might we worthwhile info for the b7 community.

viziers
06-27-2012, 09:53 AM
Tossing the idea of documenting a how-to on rebuilding your bottom end, might we worthwhile info for the b7 community.

I agree completely!


vizi

CorneliusRox
07-02-2012, 11:02 AM
My second block is at the machinist, got some solid PTW clearance info from Mahle so hopefully we can get the ball moving.

Tossing the idea of documenting a how-to on rebuilding your bottom end, might we worthwhile info for the b7 community.

I wouldnt mind that.

slimmj0k3r
07-02-2012, 01:56 PM
I've asked a buddy of mine to help with the documentation process, so I will get things started once the bottom end has returned from the machine shop.

mec
07-15-2012, 01:42 AM
Moar pics!

slimmj0k3r
07-16-2012, 08:54 AM
Pics to come soon!