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lespaulkid01
01-23-2011, 04:23 PM
Hey all,

Im very new to the whole tuning (and upgrading in general) thing. I currently drive a bone stock '94 v6 toyota camry.. [cool] i REALLY want to get an a4 as my next car, and have talked to my parents about it to an extent since im still in college and they are paying my insurance until i graduate in a year and a half (or more depending on how my grad school opportunities end up). They have agreed that they will pay about 4-5k max for a used car IF my camry dies or needs a repair that will cost more than the car is worth, which is about $1700.

I was wondering what you all think i should do. I have been looking around online and in newspapers and seen a few at dealerships and it seems like i can get a 98-2001 for about 6500, or a 2002-2004 for about 8-10k (with less miles.) do you think it would all be worth it to save that extra amount and buy a newer one or just go with whatever i can afford at the time? over time I plan on doing the whole works so mileage and all wont matter eventually, but from a feasability and monetary standpoint i was wondering what all your opinions are.

ryball
01-23-2011, 04:26 PM
I love the B6 A4's... maybe because I own one myself.

coolgraymemo
01-23-2011, 04:30 PM
It's going to be biased here because you are in the B5 section of the forum.
I personally like the B5 more than the B6.

I think you can get an '01 for around $6,000 or less.

walky_talky20
01-23-2011, 04:44 PM
If you're at all worried about how much maintenance and upkeep will cost, keeping your Camry is the obvious best choice in that respect. A 10 year old Audi is not without it's expensive repairs to go along with it.

Also, 6500 is a bit much to pay for a B5. Should be able to get a nice one for $5k or less. But you may not find that price at a dealer. Make sure to get the one you want the first time. Turbo, quattro, manual, sport package, color, etc. Get what you want. Most stuff you can't change later.

flynnr
01-23-2011, 04:49 PM
there are a handfull of s4's with right around 100k miles for $6500 around mn

R3V3NANT
01-23-2011, 06:01 PM
I love my B6, but I have put more work into her than I ever have with any other car I've ever owned. And none of it was cheap. But when everything's working, it's the best car I've ever owned.

ricekikr
01-23-2011, 06:24 PM
Just make sure you get a 1.8t, Quattro and a M/T. Everything else you'll be probably change anyways. You'll probably regret getting a 2.8, FWD and A/T when you start mods. But its a different story if its just gona be a daily driver with little to no mods.

Either way, a b5 is lighter. A b6 is said to be more luxurious (haven't ridden in one though). I love my b5 and won't trade it in for a b6, but would for a B7 lol.

If you want an easier way to get to 450+whp, get an S4.

As for maintenance my 1.8t quattro, is very reliable, but small, relatively cheap, things keep breaking down. Which can be annoying at most. Its when you start modding that maintenance get out of hand (well just the clutch really). Oem stock clutch around ~$300, clutch for a BT 1.8t ~$600-$1300, BAT 1.8t $1400+ (that's without labor).

h4robkr123
01-23-2011, 06:48 PM
I've driven both a B5 and a buddies B6 and I feel the B5 is more nimble and much more fun to drive; while the b6 is more luxurious of a drive IMO. My B5 has been fairly reliable, but obviously nothing close to your camry.

lespaulkid01
01-23-2011, 07:28 PM
thanks for all the feedback so far guys. i have been leaning more towards the b5 just because of price and i have heard they are a little more fun all around due to size/weight and all that jazz.


Just make sure you get a 1.8t, Quattro and a M/T. Everything else you'll be probably change anyways. You'll probably regret getting a 2.8, FWD and A/T when you start mods. But its a different story if its just gona be a daily driver with little to no mods.

I would definitely make sure its a manual 1.8t quattro. one of my friends has had both the 1.8 and the 2.8 and always talks about how much better the 1.8 is, and i would love to have the quattro capabilities for the snow and ice we deal with here in the winter. i would love to be able to afford an s4, but i have heard the insurance on that is through the roof, as well as aftermarket parts (thats what i have heard at least).

Has anyone owned both a b5 and b6 and have any advice/input on it? i just want to make sure that whatever choice i make is the right decision for me since it will be my car for a long time and i will be using a good deal of my savings.

SeekB00st
01-23-2011, 07:35 PM
there are a handfull of s4's with right around 100k miles for $6500 around mn

That's what I'd be looking for.
As for your self.

If you can't maintain that fu*ker don't purchase one.

walky_talky20
01-23-2011, 07:51 PM
I've seen quite a few B5's and B6 in our shop. Personally, my preference is the B5 chassis. There are a lot of items that are just better quality on the B5. While the interior layout may be fancier in the B6, the quality of the buttons and other interior trim is less than stellar. Most have peeling paint on the buttons before 100k. Glove box doors self destructing, etc. Problems the B5 doesn't have. Also, it seems to me that the B6 body is more prone to rusting than the B5. I've yet to see a B5 with any amount of rust on a body panel, unless it was an accident repair. And I live in NW PA, basically the road salt capital of the world. B6 is another story, still way above other cars, just not as good as a B5 in that area.

For looks, I used to prefer the B5 chassis hands down over the B5, and I still do, but the B6 has grown on me lately. I do recommend steering clear of the B7 turbo's, just due to the problems with the 2.0T FSI engine. B8 has a better 2.0T. IMO, of course.

viceprp
01-23-2011, 08:09 PM
If you want a reliable A4 then look into the 12v engines. They maybe slow but your driving a camry so in all honesty should be use to it. Be sure to get a M/T and Quattro or you will regret it.

Having a non-quattro audi and getting it stuck is like getting your gf pregnant while wearing a condom but not telling her that they were on your fingers. It just makes no sense.

coolgraymemo
01-23-2011, 08:11 PM
Having a non-quattro audi and getting it stuck is like getting your gf pregnant while wearing a condom but not telling her that they were on your fingers. It just makes no sense.

HAHA!

lespaulkid01
01-23-2011, 09:28 PM
If you want a reliable A4 then look into the 12v engines. They maybe slow but your driving a camry so in all honesty should be use to it. Be sure to get a M/T and Quattro or you will regret it.

hey dont rag on my camry. im pushing out 188hp and 203 lb-ft with this bad boy. [rolleyes] haha but yea. i have a fwd now and it sucks. i definitely want a quattro.

mikehawk666
01-24-2011, 01:12 AM
i'd get a b5 1.8t manual avant if i were you. def an avant

Euromike
01-24-2011, 05:26 AM
I would get a 2.8 30v quattro (not the slow 12v). If your parents are buying and you don't have thousands for turbo upgrades, you want the more reliable yet faster stock engine. I'm not sure why these guys are telling you 1.8T when you don't have tons of mod money. Fact of the matter is you will get 50~ more horsepower with then V6, stock. And don't settle for a non quattro! Good luck

ricekikr
01-24-2011, 05:33 AM
I'm not sure why these guys are telling you 1.8T when you don't have tons of mod money.


over time I plan on doing the whole works

I think mainly because he said this. If he really is gona do the "whole works" the 2.8 would be more expensive or at least be more difficult to FI. But like I said, if its gona be a daily driver with little to no mods, get the 2.8. But if he really plans on doing the "whole works" get the 1.8t or an s4.

Euromike
01-24-2011, 05:37 AM
Didnt read the whole works comment, my bad.

FNK
01-24-2011, 06:19 AM
I have a B5 V6 30V and I love it, previous owner didn't take good care of it, so I have to do a lot of maintenance. But it's to be expected in such condition on any cars.
And a friend on mine got a B6 V6 3.0L and he likes it too. More power but heavier. Most of the interior is very similar to my 2001.

To get the less biased opinion, drive both.

viceprp
01-24-2011, 05:14 PM
I only offered the 12v bc it is a tank motor. Now if he plans to mod then the 1.8 is the way to go, of course.

You can pick up a B5 1.8t easily for 3-5k

onemoremile
01-24-2011, 08:10 PM
Your prices are high. I picked up an 01 allroad last August for 5,200.

lespaulkid01
01-24-2011, 08:43 PM
after looking through the forums a bit more and just looking around the internet in general im really thinking a b5.. it seems to be the best option for me given what i want out of the car.


Your prices are high. I picked up an 01 allroad last August for 5,200

Where do you find cheap(er) ones? haha ive looked on here, ebay, craigslist, autos.msn, and cars.com and im only finding b5's that are in the mid 6-7k range. unless its just in horrible condition then they are a little cheaper. maybe im just not looking hard enough? lol

coolgraymemo
01-24-2011, 08:50 PM
craigslist.

wait for a clean one. patience is key. i picked up <<<< car a few weeks ago with all the packages I wanted and for a fair price.

lespaulkid01
01-25-2011, 04:57 AM
alright sweet thanks. ill keep an eye out.. i guess people in my area just arent willing to let their b5s go.. haha there are a ton of b7s and b8s but like no b5 or b6s

its about time i find something though. i think my camry is about to die. haha i have to get a new balljoint/control arm/strut due to 16 years of not being changed, and yesterday it didnt want to shift out of 2nd gear.. today no tranny problems though. hopefully. hah

viceprp
01-25-2011, 07:40 AM
'93 S4: $3000
http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/2139584640.html

'99 A4 Avant 1.8TQM: $3500 147k
http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/2162682497.html

'97 A4 1.8TQM: $3500 135k
http://harrisburg.craigslist.org/ctd/2107151076.html

'00 A6 2.7TQM: $6000 128k
http://harrisburg.craigslist.org/ctd/2168991044.html

'02 A4 1.8TQ: $6200 98k
http://harrisburg.craigslist.org/cto/2148467917.html

Quick search

lespaulkid01
01-25-2011, 08:28 AM
I just found this listed.. its only like 30 minutes from where i live. haha it sounds like a good deal to me.. I can deal without functional windows for a few months since it wont be above 45 anytime soon.

http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/cto/2173564012.html

viceprp
01-25-2011, 08:32 AM
Well.... it's an auto. If you don't care then go for it. K04, giac.. be a quick DD.

lespaulkid01
01-25-2011, 08:46 AM
ohh true. i didnt even notice that. haha balls. :(