Finally APR stage 3.......... kinda! Long, Rant!

[Six Speed Turbo]

Well to make a long story short, I dropped off my car at my local APR dealer to have my stage 3 installed along with a new clutch. I originally dropped it off the Wednesday before Thanksgiving. I was told that it would take 8 days. Even though I wasn't told so, I assumed 8 business days. After 21 days, well over 8 business days, I get I call to come pick my car up.

I get the car and upon pick up I am told that I have to replace the stock spring in the Forge DV, because it will not hold the increased air flow volume. After I drive the car away I realize that my car is an 'effin pig, no power at all. For the first time since I have owned this car I had to downshift to get up a hill. I get the car home, call Keith @ APR and he says the diagnosis sounds off. I try to take the car back to the tuner a couple days later and on the way, my tranny starts acting up. Not going into or out of gears. So I let them know when I show up to drop the car off. After they pull the tranny they find that 4 of the 6 flywheel bolts have magically sheared themselves off. I tell them call me when it is ready. I get a call saying they found my problem, the DV solenoid was bad and that was keeping the boost from building. They also replace the DV spring with a more capable spring to hold the boost. Now the car is at "Full Boost" at 4000rpms.

So again I go to pick the car up. I take it for a test drive and something didn't sit right with me, the car didn't seem like it was running like it should. Building boost very slow and late in the rev range. So I call APR and talk to a tech, who every time I get this turd he never gives his name like most the techs do. I consult with him on the way the car drives and he was very short with his answers and basically said everything sounded normal to him. So..... once again my foolish ass took the car. I PM'd Keith this time and explained what my issues were and he said the car still didn't sound right. I get a call from the tuner the following day asking "So, how awesome is the car". I can't write what I said, but it wasn't pleasant and his whole tone changed immediately. I had to wait an additional week before he could get me back in to TRY to find the issue.

So today I had to drive back to the tuner to drop the car off for a third time, I dropped it off with specific instructions, fix the problem and if you call me to pick this car up again and it is not completely up to standard, I am kicking you in the shin. Not to mention that my front bumper was uneven, and so was the exhaust, along with excessive chatter from the tranny. To top it all off my APR dealer is about 2.5 hours away from me so all of these trips are a 5 hour round trip. Plus I have to take a second car as well. I have spent over $450 in gas alone.

Now that you have the facts, ( Not starting to build boost until after 4000rpms )what do you guys think it could be, because I am stumped not to mention extremely frustrated with the whole situation.[headbang][headbang][headbang]

So today 25 January 2011 I get a call from the shop and was asked to sit down for the news he was going to give me. The turbo is bad, it had SHAFT PLAY AND OIL WAS EVERWHERE. So I have to buy a new turbo. which is going to cost an additional $1800 with labor. All I know is my wife is going to shit a fucking chicken. I would like to know how that could have slipped past them during the first install. I could have saved a couple trips to Vegas and a little on labor. WTFF!!!!!!!

[MisterQuattro]

I have no idea and no good with stuff like that but I am sorry to hear all the trouble you have been going through when your just trying to get the best performance for your car. I wish you the best of luck man !

- Rizzo

[S4Andrew]

That's incredibly poor service and common sense from the people you've paid good money to deliver. These types of stories can greatly diminish word-of-mouth advertising effectiveness. Always terrible to hear that someone is being wronged when they're paying considerable sums of money for what is marketed as top tier products and service. Keep putting the techs/tuners to the grindstone if they don't come through!

[B7Daily]

I owned a 2000 jetta with apr stg 3+ and this sounded the same as my car but when they got it fixed it ran for about an month and never ran again...

Too bad you live in cali I finally trust the people I work with and anyone know or heard or Further Performance, don't doubt any word they say...

[B7Daily]

That's incredibly poor service and common sense from the people you've paid good money to deliver. These types of stories can greatly diminish word-of-mouth advertising effectiveness. Always terrible to hear that someone is being wronged when they're paying considerable sums of money for what is marketed as top tier products and service. Keep putting the techs/tuners to the grindstone if they don't come through!

This could also turn on the fault of soly the installer ... some people know how to and some people think they know how to work on cars...

[b7kevin]

Makes me think differently about apr. They better own up.

[Mc Suly]

terrible service!!
5 hours bad times man

[eastwick897]

Swap the Forge out for the Piston style DV. I bet you this will solve your boost building issue. I ran the OEM piston valve on my 3071r setup and it worked like a charm. I am also running it on my new HTA3582r setup. Ask Keith what DV they tuned with, knowing APR they probably kept the OEM piston style because it just works.

[Korrect414]

Such a bummer. I couldn't even imagine dumping that kind of $$$ into a kit and other mods and having a basically useless car. I really hope the shop takes care of everything and gets your car running tip top.

[event]

Wow, that really sucks. I'm with B7Daily; a lot of people out there don't have any business working on cars, and a lot of those people work in service departments and the like...

I'd be ready to beat someone down if I was in your shoes.

[Stewy]

Honestly, the parts are only as good as the install. If this shop is going to be an APR dealer, they need to get their sh*t together. I think you're taking it rather well for what you're going through, I'd be livid! This is why I do 90% of the work on my car personally, there's only one shop in town I let touch my car. I would try another route with APR as well, they've always been more than helpful for any issues I've had. If this shop is potentially damaging their name, I think they'd want to rectify it. Good luck and keep us posted.

[Six Speed Turbo]

Trust me guys I am going Bat Sh*t F@cking Loco on the tuner, just to straighten out the facts it is not APR, it is an authorized dealer doing the work.

[Six Speed Turbo]

Such a bummer. I couldn't even imagine dumping that kind of $$$ into a kit and other mods and having a basically useless car. I really hope the shop takes care of everything and gets your car running tip top.

You're telling me, I have spent $2800 in labor alone, that is why I told him this time he better get it right. My wife absolutely hates this guy at this point, trying to get her to let me spend this kind of money was a hassle in itself. So this is definitely going to affect future mods. Thanks "anonymous" tuner!

[Six Speed Turbo]

I have no idea and no good with stuff like that but I am sorry to hear all the trouble you have been going through when your just trying to get the best performance for your car. I wish you the best of luck man !

- Rizzo

Thanks, I could use all the luck I can get at this point.

[Six Speed Turbo]

Makes me think differently about apr. They better own up.

Again to clarify, Keith has been very helpful. But that un-named tech they have can eat a fat one!

[Six Speed Turbo]

terrible service!!
5 hours bad times man

5 Hours each time, 3 times total!! YIKES

[Six Speed Turbo]

Swap the Forge out for the Piston style DV. I bet you this will solve your boost building issue. I ran the OEM piston valve on my 3071r setup and it worked like a charm. I am also running it on my new HTA3582r setup. Ask Keith what DV they tuned with, knowing APR they probably kept the OEM piston style because it just works.

Keith already advised that I went this route, I will eventually do it, but may be sooner than later if all else fails!

[eastwick897]

Keith already advised that I went this route, I will eventually do it, but may be sooner than later if all else fails!

I'm telling you, you should definitely do it as soon as you can. I'm almost positive this is why your building boost so slowly.

[Hammer]

It's really hit or miss in the aftermarket world...

[mr shickadance]

the forge dv should be fine tho no? its not like it has any diaphragm to break or anything its made of steel. not saying the new revised OEM DV is bad or anything im just saying those things seem bullet proof.

if your building boost slowly it could be bc of a larger turbo, but the car should not be running like crap....it should hall balls comparatively speaking to your old set up

[Quattro]

sucks!!! hopefully the shop fixes your problem.

[audirunsoverDAN]

Sounds like a minor tuning error. I've experienced similar characteristics and problem was all in the tuning. Obvious variables are building boost for a larger turbo, but that would come across any tech's mind first so apparently that wasn't the case. A large turbo isn't going to have pleasant daily driver characteristics, but I'm sure you already knew that.

[gpultro]

Only problem I see is you went with apr. I have still not seen one successful apr stage 3. Call mark at asp he will do you right.

[Gil2.0T]

Only problem I see is you went with apr. I have still not seen one successful apr stage 3. Call mark at asp he will do you right.

Theres a guy in Clearwater, FL with one. Never heard any complaints about his.

[eastwick897]

the forge dv should be fine tho no? its not like it has any diaphragm to break or anything its made of steel. not saying the new revised OEM DV is bad or anything im just saying those things seem bullet proof.

if your building boost slowly it could be bc of a larger turbo, but the car should not be running like crap....it should hall balls comparatively speaking to your old set up

It's not that the Forge units are bad, its just that they are not ideal for this setup. Whenever you are going to a bigger turbo people assume hardware is everything when in reality you and the tuner should have an understanding of what hardware the tuner prefers. APR has had this kit out for years now so I highly doubt it has anything to do with the tune. As good as the Forge one might be the OEM one does the same thing BUT it's OEM... I have had 3 different DV's on my car (Forge, AWE, and the new OEM piston version) of all 3, the best performing one is the OEM one, then the AWE one, and the worst of them all was the Forge. A GT2871-r is not that large of a turbo where he should be experiencing lag like that. The FSI engine is pretty good at spooling up turbos quickly.

[Six Speed Turbo]

It's not that the Forge units are bad, its just that they are not ideal for this setup. Whenever you are going to a bigger turbo people assume hardware is everything when in reality you and the tuner should have an understanding of what hardware the tuner prefers. APR has had this kit out for years now so I highly doubt it has anything to do with the tune. As good as the Forge one might be the OEM one does the same thing BUT it's OEM... I have had 3 different DV's on my car (Forge, AWE, and the new OEM piston version) of all 3, the best performing one is the OEM one, then the AWE one, and the worst of them all was the Forge. A GT2871-r is not that large of a turbo where he should be experiencing lag like that. The FSI engine is pretty good at spooling up turbos quickly.

Correct, if you guys take a look on the APR website and check out the dyno they have, you'll see peak torque at around 3800rpms. This is an indication of full/peak boost. However, it starts building boost around 2500rpms. Mine doesn't start building until after 4k. In addition to give you an idea, a stage 1 A4 is faster at this point.

[Six Speed Turbo]

Even though I'm in Cali, I am stationed at the Nation Training Center on Fort Irwin. Since we train Soldiers headed over seas for everything including artillery, we are in a very remote location..........FROM EVERYTHING! LOL.

So my option are limited as far as tuners go.

[Six Speed Turbo]

I'm telling you, you should definitely do it as soon as you can. I'm almost positive this is why your building boost so slowly.

OK will do ASAP if you think it will help!

[Baruch]

I had an issue with APR's Exhaust - did turbo back - installed it myself with a friend- didn't sit properly - flex pipe was literally a micrometer off transmission crossmember - rubbed basically everytime I accelerated or downshifted - went under a couple times myself, took pics, sent them to APR - told me it looked normal from the pics... had to shave off part of my crossmember and do a few other things in order to get it to fit and not rub properly... pretty upset with APR - got no real help from them - saw another thread while back with similar issues from other people... My friends worked in a shop since he was 15 - I know a lil bout cars but something like an exhaust should fit no problem - just bolt on and good to go - not in my case... How they handled that has kinda scared me away from doing anything big with them - prob do HPFP just cause I get the free software upgrade but even that I'm kinda hesitant...


Despite whether it is an APR dealer's work or APR's product - APR's name is on the line... I hope they do right by you - thats no small chunk of change - not only is your time being wasted but money for gas - good luck man. Keep us posted.

[Six Speed Turbo]

Sounds like a minor tuning error. I've experienced similar characteristics and problem was all in the tuning. Obvious variables are building boost for a larger turbo, but that would come across any tech's mind first so apparently that wasn't the case. A large turbo isn't going to have pleasant daily driver characteristics, but I'm sure you already knew that.

I was thinking the same thing, I spoke with Keith and he said to have the tuner do a round 1 diagnostic. I told the tuner what Keith said, and told them to do a side by side comparison of the results for the APR car. When the 2 cars match performance, then call me to pick it up.

[Six Speed Turbo]

Despite whether it is an APR dealer's work or APR's product - APR's name is on the line... I hope they do right by you - thats no small chunk of change - not only is your time being wasted but money for gas - good luck man. Keep us posted.

Thanks, The time and money thing is so true, plus I have to coordinate with my wife so she can go with me. If she doesn't have the day off, I can't go.

I also had to shave my crossmember to fit the APR exhaust, however I didn't have the APR test pipe. Now that the Stage 3 is in, along with the larger test pipe, it clears it with room to spare. Just a thought.

[Six Speed Turbo]

In a way I wish that APR being the parent company would act like a owner of a bad dog, and hit the tuner on the nose with a rolled up newspaper until they did what is required of them. I know it won't happen, but it would be funny and gratifying to see nonetheless.

[RAudiB7A4]

God damn... Sorry to hear of your trouble's man. Sounds like your speed shop aint the best eh? Can't believe they would even let you take the car with it performing like that. You could be looking at more damage. Leaving that shop liable. When I went stage II my shop took my car out for 3 test drives before they let me take it. I had race fuel in it and was on my 100 octane file so I'm sure the second and third test drive's may have been more about beaing able to enjoy the fruits of there labor, but I think that just showed me that these guy were enthusiasts just like me and were proud of there work. Hope your shop owns up. If they were smart they would fire this jackass that worked on your car for costing there company and customer alike one hell of a head ache and of course money. Good luck.

[dougyfresh]

Sounds like a minor tuning error. I've experienced similar characteristics and problem was all in the tuning. Obvious variables are building boost for a larger turbo, but that would come across any tech's mind first so apparently that wasn't the case. A large turbo isn't going to have pleasant daily driver characteristics, but I'm sure you already knew that.

It is a hardware issue. Not software. Sounds like the shop did a half-assed install. Fix the hardware problems and the car will run like a dream. There are plenty of these kits with this software out on the market and running very well.

The GT2871 on this engine will be fine for daily driving. You won't really notice much difference except the fact that the car picks up and goes because it makes more power.

[Alkemix]

bad shop.

[Six Speed Turbo]

bad shop.

The only reason I have went back is to have them fix the issues. If I go somewhere else I will end up spending money at a different shop to fix the first shop's problems.

[mr shickadance]

send the bill to the old shop....they messed up the install therefore why rely on them to fix it....explain to them "look you guys just can't do it....and thats fine and all but i paid xxxx amount of dollars for this install and i didn't get it....so bring it to another shop thats capable of doing it and have them complete at your expense"

if not get a complete refund on all the labor for a job not done and take that $ to another shop

[Matt@EuropaParts]

It's definitely a hardware issue. I'm going to second eastwick and suggest replacing the DV with the upgraded OEM DV (http://www.europaparts.com/diverter-valve-06h145710d.html). I'm thinking that should solve most of your issues

[bmc333]

Only problem I see is you went with apr. I have still not seen one successful apr stage 3. Call mark at asp he will do you right.

Come down to VA - I'll show you my Stage III running perfectly fine from day 1. Its all about the installer - the crew at New German Performance here in Lorton know their shit and I'm 100% happy with the results.

[RandyQUATTRO]

Sorry man, hope you get it fixed soon!

[Six Speed Turbo]

Come down to VA - I'll show you my Stage III running perfectly fine from day 1. Its all about the installer - the crew at New German Performance here in Lorton know their shit and I'm 100% happy with the results.

I am going to need you to fly that crew out to Cali at your expense. Hajajaja! I am glad to hear that someone out there can get it right!!!

[Six Speed Turbo]

Sorry man, hope you get it fixed soon!

Me too!!

[Six Speed Turbo]

send the bill to the old shop....they messed up the install therefore why rely on them to fix it....explain to them "look you guys just can't do it....and thats fine and all but i paid xxxx amount of dollars for this install and i didn't get it....so bring it to another shop thats capable of doing it and have them complete at your expense"

if not get a complete refund on all the labor for a job not done and take that $ to another shop

If the issue is not fixed this time, I plan to do exactly that. I also plan on calling APR and letting them know that it might be bad for their company name to be associated with that tuner.

[Baruch]

"Might be" - Definitely.

[Six Speed Turbo]

"Might be" - Definitely.

Agreed!

[Leo14]

Damn dude! That has to be the biggest pain in the world. Especially the drive back and forth ugh, GL man I hope they fix everything for you.. For free.

[Six Speed Turbo]

Damn dude! That has to be the biggest pain in the world. Especially the drive back and forth ugh, GL man I hope they fix everything for you.. For free.

You're telling me! The only good thing I can say at this point is the tuner is fixing the issue without further charges. They also did the factory coil pack recall for me, also, they saw carbon build up on two cylinders and did the cleaning for free as well. So...... they're trying. But the only thing that gets me angry is the drive, and trying to get time off on the same days my wife has off to do that drive!

[brownishwater]

Come down to VA - I'll show you my Stage III running perfectly fine from day 1. Its all about the installer - the crew at New German Performance here in Lorton know their shit and I'm 100% happy with the results.


He's the biggest ASP fanbios on the site. Most of us have learned to just disregard what he says cause he just shits on everything that doesn't say ASP on it.

[mr shickadance]

actually lol'd at six speeds sig

[Six Speed Turbo]

actually lol'd at six speeds sig

I thought someone would get a kick out of that!! My sense of humor is the only thing keeping me sane at this point!!

[Six Speed Turbo]

I should get the car back next week some time, but only time will tell guys! Please God let this car be done right, I don't want to have to bitch slap my tuner!

[FLYINGLEGGS]

Only problem I see is you went with apr. I have still not seen one successful apr stage 3. Call mark at asp he will do you right.

Are you still trying to be ASP's number one fan boy?? I have been APR stage 3 for over a year with literally no problems at all. And I'm not the only one. Matter of fact I don't know of anyone that does have a problem with their APR Stage 3. The op is having install problems and the only other guy that thought he had a problem was Goped. He slammed APR a little then he figured out it wasn't APR, but a minor hardware issue. (cam follower or something). Therefore he apologized for slamming them and said it was running perfectly after the minor oem part was fixed.

Here's a post about it on the Stage 3 Roll Call thread: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/384996-B7-A4-s-with-Stage-3-Roll-Call?p=5852041&viewfull=1#post5852041

[mr shickadance]

is six speed turbo gonna have to choke a bitch?

[WasGTIguy]

I'm still waiting for someone to post an acceleration vid. I am vurious to see how these stg3 animals pull

[Kim]

I have an APR S3+ kit on my car. Although it does not have any problems and is a great piece of kit, I'm praying that I don't run into problems because Keith and the rest of them are all horrible in terms of customer service.

[A4 Effort]

Even though I'm in Cali, I am stationed at the Nation Training Center on Fort Irwin. Since we train Soldiers headed over seas for everything including artillery, we are in a very remote location..........FROM EVERYTHING! LOL.

So my option are limited as far as tuners go.

Wow, man. I feel your pain being stationed there. I was at Campbell and we did an NTC rotation out there. It literally is in the middle of nowhere

[FLYINGLEGGS]

I'm still waiting for someone to post an acceleration vid. I am vurious to see how these stg3 animals pull

Ask and you shall receive. On the left (blue) is a K04 Stage 3 B5 S4. On the right (red) is an APR Stage 3 B7 A4. The run is from 20 to 145 mph (although it says 40-145) on a closed road and both driven by professional drivers. The 4 cylinder A4 holds its own pretty damn good against a twin turbo!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuZhG1ntyf0

Six Speed, I know it's frustrating with all the complications man. Your scenario is exactly what I was worried about. I made two 16 hour round trips to APR (Drop off and pick up) so they would be the only ones to install anything or touch my car at all. Hope you get it worked out very soon!

[Six Speed Turbo]

is six speed turbo gonna have to choke a bitch?

I was going to rip off Brady's line but I am glad you knew where I was going! LMAO!

[Six Speed Turbo]

I'm still waiting for someone to post an acceleration vid. I am vurious to see how these stg3 animals pull

As soon as my car is running, I plan on doing videos, dyno, and take it to a 1/4 mile drag. Just there are very few that have done this.

[Six Speed Turbo]

I have an APR S3+ kit on my car. Although it does not have any problems and is a great piece of kit, I'm praying that I don't run into problems because Keith and the rest of them are all horrible in terms of customer service.

Besides the un-named tech they have, everyone has been great. including Keith who has given me his cell number to reach him personally to help if needed.

[Six Speed Turbo]

Wow, man. I feel your pain being stationed there. I was at Campbell and we did an NTC rotation out there. It literally is in the middle of nowhere

I know. I PCS'd here from Fort Campbell. What a change in weather patterns!

[Six Speed Turbo]

Ask and you shall receive. On the left (blue) is a K04 Stage 3 B5 S4. On the right (red) is an APR Stage 3 B7 A4. The run is from 20 to 145 mph (although it says 40-145) on a closed road and both driven by professional drivers. The 4 cylinder A4 holds its own pretty damn good against a twin turbo!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuZhG1ntyf0

You can find other videos through my sigs.


Six Speed, I know it's frustrating with all the complications man. Your scenario is exactly what I was worried about. I made two 16 hour round trips to APR (Drop off and pick up) so they would be the only ones to install anything or touch my car at all. Hope you get it worked out very soon!

I wanted to have the install done with APR, but they are too far of a drive for me. I want to go to the BBQ this year though and have the motor built so I can run a more aggressive tune.

[Mike@PureMS]

We've had to fix a number of APR installs gone bad from other "tuners" and shops. These places screw up some of the most basic things you'd be surprised. Forgetting crush washers, not tightening nuts, N75's in backward, we've seen it all..

I know we're bit of a haul from Ft. Irwin, but if we can be any assistance at all, please don't hesitate to get in touch with us.

[GarrettReid]

I am going to need you to fly that crew out to Cali at your expense. Hajajaja! I am glad to hear that someone out there can get it right!!!

For the money you've spent on labor/going-back-and-forth you could of almost flown a crew out to Cali.

[ryanworth]

Wow sorry to hear about all this man. Hopefully it get's all settled out.

On a side note, you are the only other person I know running D2 coils.
How are you liking them since you've had them for a while? I love mine, just wish they went lower.

[nikole]

It's definitely a hardware issue. I'm going to second eastwick and suggest replacing the DV with the upgraded OEM DV (http://www.europaparts.com/diverter-valve-06h145710d.html). I'm thinking that should solve most of your issues

Come down to VA - I'll show you my Stage III running perfectly fine from day 1. Its all about the installer - the crew at New German Performance here in Lorton know their shit and I'm 100% happy with the results.

[VZWalex]

wow ... what a nightmare imo .... My brother was stationed out in Ft Irwin so I know the drive UGH !!!

Hope your tuner issues get resolved bro.

PM Sent

[Six Speed Turbo]

Wow sorry to hear about all this man. Hopefully it get's all settled out.

On a side note, you are the only other person I know running D2 coils.
How are you liking them since you've had them for a while? I love mine, just wish they went lower.

I love the way they ride, I have no complaints at all.

[Six Speed Turbo]

wow ... what a nightmare imo .... My brother was stationed out in Ft Irwin so I know the drive UGH !!!

Hope your tuner issues get resolved bro.

PM Sent

So do I, and in a hurry too. I am tired of me and my wife trying to go 2 separate places with 1 car.

[Six Speed Turbo]

We've had to fix a number of APR installs gone bad from other "tuners" and shops. These places screw up some of the most basic things you'd be surprised. Forgetting crush washers, not tightening nuts, N75's in backward, we've seen it all..

I know we're bit of a haul from Ft. Irwin, but if we can be any assistance at all, please don't hesitate to get in touch with us.

Mike, if these guys don't get it right this time I will be looking for a different Home Shop! I am thinking of building the motor up to handle a more aggressive tune, just so you know where I am trying to go with the car next!

[Six Speed Turbo]

It was diagnosed as a bad turbo guys! WTF. I just want to throw a little something out that I didn't before. I got this kit second hand from Extremesport3, I got it at a good price. Now I know why. I didn't mention it before because everything hardware wise was good to go. However, I had a bad feeling it was the turbo or something else in the kit, because after the sale was completed, I tried to get some info from him and he never responded. Even though he was online! Thanks alot dirtbag, you totally fucked me!

[Leo14]

awww damn dude! That is awful news. I was hopin to hear good things, but oof, bad turbo? And what an asshole selling you a bad one too... What are you going to do now?

[Six Speed Turbo]

awww damn dude! That is awful news. I was hopin to hear good things, but oof, bad turbo? And what an asshole selling you a bad one too... What are you going to do now?

Well for starters I am talking to a lawyer tomorrow. About both bad sale, and the bad business I had to deal with. I was told that the shop checked the turbo and it had no shaft play at all, and that came from a certified Audi "tech". Now all of the sudden the turbo has shaft play. Something is defintely fucked up about all this shit.

[Leo14]

Good good, take that bad turbo and shove it down their throats till they pay, I like how you think. And yes, something is definitely fucked up. Good luck man and keep us updated, please

[Six Speed Turbo]

Good good, take that bad turbo and shove it down their throats till they pay, I like how you think. And yes, something is definitely fucked up. Good luck man and keep us updated, please

I will update as often as thing happen, I wish this ****** that sold me this sh*t would own up and give me my money back. But seeing that he never responds I guess I will have to get it the hard way.

Listen up Audiziners we have a scumbag in our forums screen named Extremesport3, he sold me a bad turbo and wont respond to any PM's. Never deal with him, and as often as possible remind him that he is a f*cking pole smoking sh*tbag for doing bad business with a Soldier who fights for him to have the right to rip people off. You're welcome a**hole!

[Korrect414]

Wow, im so sorry to hear. What a dirtbag ! I don't know why people just can't be up front with these things. They will get theirs. Please keep us updated. I really hope you get this stuff taken care of.

Also, thanks for your service.

[Satummoo]

Hopefully some Justice will come your way

I know how these things are :-(

[SEXICÄN]

damn this sucks! I'd be so pissed!

[Hyphy]

damnn...that blows. GL with everything.

[Mr. Merk]

From APR's view: you didnt buy the parts from them or bring the car to them yet you are wearing them out with over-the-phone diagnosis attempts

From the "tuners" view: you brought them USED parts that you didnt purchase from them and are screaming at them for fucking up the install, in the end they didnt fuck up the install but simply installed the parts you provided to them

Maybe next time you'll buy the parts new & have them installed by whoever your purchased them from, that way if something is wrong you know who to point the finger at instead of everybody & anybody.

I took an ECS timing belt kit to a local facility who installed them. One of the parts failed. Guess what, I had to pay to get another one installed because it wasnt their fault the part I borught them failed.

I work in a repair facility & we do not allow people to bring us their own parts for this very reason, I also sincerely appreciate you serving our country.

[gpultro]

I will update as often as thing happen, I wish this ****** that sold me this sh*t would own up and give me my money back. But seeing that he never responds I guess I will have to get it the hard way.

Listen up Audiziners we have a scumbag in our forums screen named Extremesport3, he sold me a bad turbo and wont respond to any PM's. Never deal with him, and as often as possible remind him that he is a f*cking pole smoking sh*tbag for doing bad business with a Soldier who fights for him to have the right to rip people off. You're welcome a**hole!

he sold me bad coilovers he is a duche bad business guy to deal with. stay away from extremesport3

[rkesh88]

I remember him, he was trying to part his car, sell it, and then disappeared after a while. I was supposed to buy his exhaust and he told me there was a small crack in it and preferred that i pick it up before waterfest, i saw his car at waterfest and dipped because it wasnt as he described and maybe yeah it could have been easily fixed but it looks like he was trying to dump all his parts out of his car and dip.

[gpultro]

the moderators should ban Extremesport3 from using this site and ban anything else that ties to his email.

[event]

From APR's view: you didnt buy the parts from them or bring the car to them yet you are wearing them out with over-the-phone diagnosis attempts

From the "tuners" view: you brought them USED parts that you didnt purchase from them and are screaming at them for fucking up the install, in the end they didnt fuck up the install but simply installed the parts you provided to them

Maybe next time you'll buy the parts new & have them installed by whoever your purchased them from, that way if something is wrong you know who to point the finger at instead of everybody & anybody.

I took an ECS timing belt kit to a local facility who installed them. One of the parts failed. Guess what, I had to pay to get another one installed because it wasnt their fault the part I borught them failed.

I work in a repair facility & we do not allow people to bring us their own parts for this very reason, I also sincerely appreciate you serving our country.

Yeah, I think everyone except for APR is at fault here, OP included.

[mr shickadance]

^ truth

- op for buying shotty parts (sorry but the fact remains you bought a second hand stage 3 set up)

- the shop for verifing that the parts were okay when in fact they were not

- the seller for being total and complete f---head


but then again op never really bashed APR and said that arin gave him his persnoal cell and tried thier best to help him out

[Six Speed Turbo]

From APR's view: you didnt buy the parts from them or bring the car to them yet you are wearing them out with over-the-phone diagnosis attempts

From the "tuners" view: you brought them USED parts that you didnt purchase from them and are screaming at them for fucking up the install, in the end they didnt fuck up the install but simply installed the parts you provided to them

Maybe next time you'll buy the parts new & have them installed by whoever your purchased them from, that way if something is wrong you know who to point the finger at instead of everybody & anybody.

I took an ECS timing belt kit to a local facility who installed them. One of the parts failed. Guess what, I had to pay to get another one installed because it wasnt their fault the part I borught them failed.

I work in a repair facility & we do not allow people to bring us their own parts for this very reason, I also sincerely appreciate you serving our country.

I see what you're saying, however, the tuner is an APR certified dealer/install center. Which would lead me to believe that they have some experience with their products.
Second and more importantly, prior to install why couldn't they QA/QC the items that were to be installed. I work in a maintenance unit for the Army. Before we install any parts, we check them for defaults and to make sure the parts works to standard so we don't install a bogus part. This ensures we do one install, and not many for the same part.
I get that I bought a used item, I wasn't trying to blame the tuner for the bad part. I was angry with the lack of a good diagnosis early on in the project. They could've saved alot of time and money on my part if they just checked the parts for functionality before they bolted them to the car. If I would have known the turbo was f**ked from the start. I would have bought a new one, had it shipped to them, and still did only one install versus 3.

[Six Speed Turbo]

^ truth

- op for buying shotty parts (sorry but the fact remains you bought a second hand stage 3 set up)

- the shop for verifing that the parts were okay when in fact they were not

- the seller for being total and complete f---head


but then again op never really bashed APR and said that arin gave him his persnoal cell and tried thier best to help him out

Yes I take blame for buying a second hand kit, but the APR tuner could've gave me a heads up that the turbo was busted. I never had anything bad to say about APR, Keith and Arin were trying very hard to square me away. I've been an APR guy for years now, for that reason.

[Six Speed Turbo]

Yeah, I think everyone except for APR is at fault here, OP included.

Completely agree!

[Six Speed Turbo]

the moderators should ban Extremesport3 from using this site and ban anything else that ties to his email.

X 2700

Where you at Anthony?

[event]

X 2700

Where you at Anthony?

I read through some of the dude's posts, seemed like him and Anthony were a bit buddy, buddy, so iono... funny how one of his was him complaining about being messed over during a transaction and he goes and does shit like this.

[Six Speed Turbo]

Wow, im so sorry to hear. What a dirtbag ! I don't know why people just can't be up front with these things. They will get theirs. Please keep us updated. I really hope you get this stuff taken care of.

Also, thanks for your service.

Thanks, I can't believe this man. But that is life. Not everyone is as honest as I am apparently.

[deeznuts]

he sold me bad coilovers he is a duche bad business guy to deal with. stay away from extremesport3

LOL...1. Hes not on the forum anymore, he sold the car and got an 09 m3...and 2. I was gonna buy that kit from him too but didnt feel right about it cuz he didnt want to taake me for a ride when he had it in the car...and 3 i have his cellphone number i think if you need it along with his home address if interested. Pm me OP

[brownishwater]

LOL...1. Hes not on the forum anymore, he sold the car and got an 09 m3...and 2. I was gonna buy that kit from him too but didnt feel right about it cuz he didnt want to taake me for a ride when he had it in the car...and 3 i have his cellphone number i think if you need it along with his home address if interested. Pm me OP

Ib4TL

[ElCapitan464]

hes also on euro addiction an is active on that forum, just look up the same user name from here on that site

[Quattro]

why don't you pm anthony, those who have had problems and see what he can do. Do a paypal claim, to recoup anything you can.

[mr shickadance]

this has all the fixen's to be an epic end to a horrible start

[Sandeman]

this has all the fixen's to be an epic end to a horrible start

agree, its a shame, regardless of whos right and wrong, when members burn each other at the stake

[ElCapitan464]

ahhh man found something great, he is having a GTG at his house this Saturday 1/29/2011 http://www.*************.net/forum/showthread.php?t=5236, put euro addiction as the site, some ppl should roll up to his place an ask some questions

-nick

[ryanworth]

^ AZ bout to be frontin up in this bitch! Lol

[mr shickadance]

can't follow the link

[ryanworth]

can't follow the link

Eur0 Add1cti0n's site is blocked on AZ. Copy the link and manually type it in.

[ElCapitan464]

can't follow the link

did u put euro addiction in the link, we can't put the full link to euro addiction, ull just have to copy an paste it in, dont forget theres no space in between the words

-nick

[mr shickadance]

yea it was the ...'s in the link that messed me up but i googled and found the thread he was talking about ... ugh man this normally wouldn;t bother me but the fact that six speed is a soldier and extreme dicked him over (whether he knew or not) just really pisses me off

[ElCapitan464]

idk it sounds like Extremesport3 was having turbo problems before he was selling the kit, http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/260225-I-think-my-turbo-died-today.....?highlight= this should have been ur red flag to stay away from this kit

-nick

[extremesport3]

idk it sounds like Extremesport3 was having turbo problems before he was selling the kit, http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/260225-I-think-my-turbo-died-today.....?highlight= this should have been ur red flag to stay away from this kit

-nick

I am going to address this first - if you read the entire thread it turned out to me my cam follower, nothing to do with the turbo - which at that time was the K04 I had. So one thing has nothing to do with the other.

[extremesport3]

Now to address Augie and the rest of you who want to crucify me for this.

Augie - first things first, i was more than a gentleman with you through out the transaction, i even extended you payment terms which were at your discretion. Never once did i lie to you. I told you what was missing from the kit, which i deducted from the price. In addition i worked everything out with the tune and extended a reduced rate i received from APR to you for the software.

As for the turbo, this would be news to me. You can ask anyone of the members on here that know me personally i would never do that to a fellow car enthusiest. The car was operating in peak performance to the day i sold it, the turbo never gave me any issues whatsoever. I also had an audi tech buddy of mine help with the uninstallation of it and i certainly packaged the unit properly for shipping. I dont know what can be done to work this out but please PM me and Im sure we can come to a compromise.

Gpultro - As for the coils, i still for the life of me cannot believe they were "blown" however if i remember correctly i sent you the necessary packaging to return them to stasis for warranty? Did you do that? They told me that they would address them and ship them back for free, they were warrantied. Again i would like to help you straighten this out.

**- Just as a side note, i havent been on this forum for months.... i am often on the other forum mentioned in this thread.

Lastly Elcapitan464 - i think its rather childish to instigate or suggest showing up at someones house. I think these matters can be worked out differently.

John

[ElCapitan464]

Now to address Augie and the rest of you who want to crucify me for this.

Augie - first things first, i was more than a gentleman with you through out the transaction, i even extended you payment terms which were at your discretion. Never once did i lie to you. I told you what was missing from the kit, which i deducted from the price. In addition i worked everything out with the tune and extended a reduced rate i received from APR to you for the software.

As for the turbo, this would be news to me. You can ask anyone of the members on here that know me personally i would never do that to a fellow car enthusiest. The car was operating in peak performance to the day i sold it, the turbo never gave me any issues whatsoever. I also had an audi tech buddy of mine help with the uninstallation of it and i certainly packaged the unit properly for shipping. I dont know what can be done to work this out but please PM me and Im sure we can come to a compromise.

Gpultro - As for the coils, i still for the life of me cannot believe they were "blown" however if i remember correctly i sent you the necessary packaging to return them to stasis for warranty? Did you do that? They told me that they would address them and ship them back for free, they were warrantied. Again i would like to help you straighten this out.

**- Just as a side note, i havent been on this forum for months.... i am often on the other forum mentioned in this thread.

Lastly Elcapitan464 - i think its rather childish to instigate or suggest showing up at someones house. I think these matters can be worked out differently.

John


all i said was to go ask question, not try to use physical ways to do so, and to the cam follower question in the end of the thread it was never established that it truly was the cam follower, all i said was to be hesitant about buying the turbo after reading a thread like that

[joeycuccaro]

Just wanted to pop in and try and address some of these opinions being generated about John. He is a stand up guy who would not go out and screw someone else, especially another enthusiast. I am good friends with him and i was around his A4 all of the time before he parted it and sold it for his BMW. Before the car was stripped the car was running in tip top shape, no issues that i knew about. We even did a pull a few weeks before he parted the car. My S4 was a full bolt on JHM car putting down 300whp on a Mustang. This video should give you some insight on how well the car was running. Before he sold it the turbo was only 5 months old.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0UCUduuEb4&feature=feedf

I find it hard to believe that the turbo went bad within that time frame. I know for a fact he did not part the car because it was having troubles, but more so because he is a big track guy. In the end the BMW was the car he preferred on the track.

I am suspicious of the install and the events that took place at the shop. It took them 3 separate occasions to figure out the turbo was blown? I feel any competent shop should be able to notice this right away. One that cannot would not be working on my car in the first place. Is it possible that running the car during this time frame of 3 visits could have ruined the turbo from faulty installation?

As i stated before i am not here to point fingers or say who is right or wrong. I just wanted to put a good word out there that John is a honest individual. I hope the situation gets resolved as soon as possible and the OP gets his car running soon.


idk it sounds like Extremesport3 was having turbo problems before he was selling the kit, http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/260225-I-think-my-turbo-died-today.....?highlight= this should have been ur red flag to stay away from this kit

-nick

Nick, that thread is dated back to early 2009, way before John had that turbo.

[extremesport3]

LOL...1. Hes not on the forum anymore, he sold the car and got an 09 m3...and 2. I was gonna buy that kit from him too but didnt feel right about it cuz he didnt want to taake me for a ride when he had it in the car...and 3 i have his cellphone number i think if you need it along with his home address if interested. Pm me OP

When did i not want to take you for a ride? How could i have taken you if you had bought my FMIC? The car was in pieces when I met you. I have no idea what this is about. And again im not even sure i could have taken you for a ride if i wanted to.

John

[ElCapitan464]

Just wanted to pop in and try and address some of these opinions being generated about John. He is a stand up guy who would not go out and screw someone else, especially another enthusiast. I am good friends with him and i was around his A4 all of the time before he parted it and sold it for his BMW. Before the car was stripped the car was running in tip top shape, no issues that i knew about. We even did a pull a few weeks before he parted the car. My S4 was a full bolt on JHM car putting down 300whp on a Mustang. This video should give you some insight on how well the car was running. Before he sold it the turbo was only 5 months old.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0UCUduuEb4&feature=feedf

I find it hard to believe that the turbo went bad within that time frame. I know for a fact he did not part the car because it was having troubles, but more so because he is a big track guy. In the end the BMW was the car he preferred on the track.

I am suspicious of the install and the events that took place at the shop. It took them 3 separate occasions to figure out the turbo was blown? I feel any competent shop should be able to notice this right away. One that cannot would not be working on my car in the first place. Is it possible that running the car during this time frame of 3 visits could have ruined the turbo from faulty installation?

As i stated before i am not here to point fingers or say who is right or wrong. I just wanted to put a good word out there that John is a honest individual. I hope the situation gets resolved as soon as possible and the OP gets his car running soon.



Nick, that thread is dated back to early 2009, way before John had that turbo.

ahh alright thank u Joey for addressing that.

[mad70sx]

It's amazing to me how quickly people would rather throw another under the bus and jump to conclusions instead of trying to resolve an issue rationally.

Most people in this forum won't know me from a hole in the wall,so take my opinion for what it's worth to you....

I also know John personally and will vouch for him. In no way shape or form would he intentionally try to rip someone off. This is clearly a misunderstanding. I have no doubt that he has and will do everything he can to rectify this situation.

[event]

Lol at obscure/random ziners suddenly coming into a thread with character witness and booming testimony. This thread is... amusing.

[beemercer]

John is one of the most straight forward, honest, good guys I've met in the whole VAG scene... no way he'd ever knowingly screw someone over.

[maoelchurro]

Conclusion: Dont buy used stuff if:
1. U dont know the person
2. U dont know what r u buying
3. U dont have knowledge about ur purchase

[mad70sx]

Lol at obscure/random ziners suddenly coming into a thread with character witness and booming testimony. This thread is... amusing.


Lol at obscure/random ziners implying that they wouldn't speak up and vouch for a friend who was wrongly accused of trying to rip someone off . Your post is... amusing.

[crew219]

To the OP, did the install shop properly prime the turbo with oil and coolant before starting? A turbo running without oil (even for a few seconds) spells disaster.

Dave

[Leo14]

Lol seems like extreme called in for backup.. I don't know you, so I'm not going to say anything else.. But I don't think the shop would have done that. Anyways, hope you guys come to good terms and fix this mess.

[event]

Lol at obscure/random ziners implying that they wouldn't speak up and vouch for a friend who was wrongly accused of trying to rip someone off . Your post is... amusing.

Friend? What kind of history do y'all really have? Considering the locations of all of you "character witnesses", I seriously doubt any of you have much if any real history with one another... a fleeting friendship at best, built on simple words and calm interaction, most of which are over the internet. So yeah, it's damn amusing. You really don't know a person till you've spent years with them through good and bad times... very amusing indeed.

[Satummoo]

To the OP, did the install shop properly prime the turbo with oil and coolant before starting? A turbo running without oil (even for a few seconds) spells disaster.

Dave

I don't know how hard that would be to prove. Would APR agree to possibly swap out the turbo on good faith?

[Sprode]

I don't know how hard that would be to prove. Would APR agree to possibly swap out the turbo on good faith?

You are dreaming.

[Sprode]

I don't know how hard that would be to prove. Would APR agree to possibly swap out the turbo on good faith?

You are dreaming.

[mad70sx]

Friend? What kind of history do y'all really have? Considering the locations of all of you "character witnesses", I seriously doubt any of you have much if any real history with one another... a fleeting friendship at best, built on simple words and calm interaction, most of which are over the internet. So yeah, it's damn amusing. You really don't know a person till you've spent years with them through good and bad times... very amusing indeed.

[headbang] Holy cow...I've read some really dumb posts on various forums,but this one takes first prize. I'm sure what few friends you do have will be thrilled to know that you wouldn't have their back when needed. It's sad really....

[crew219]

I don't know how hard that would be to prove. Would APR agree to possibly swap out the turbo on good faith?

It's pretty difficult to prove, but would explain why the OP is having issues with a turbo which the previous owner / audi tech / and the OP have found zero shaft play.

APR has very little reason to replace the turbo on a secondhand kit. The turbo on SIII is only covered by Garrett's 1 year warranty. In a situation like this, they would require the turbo back first for analysis. Most likely something was installed incorrectly it cause the turbo to "blow".

[B7Daily]

this all goes back on the installer thats why you paid them to do it and you paid them to get it right now to screw it up i went through this with mine and they get a new kit and they worked it out with APR

[event]

[headbang] Holy cow...I've read some really dumb posts on various forums,but this one takes first prize. I'm sure what few friends you do have will be thrilled to know that you wouldn't have their back when needed. It's sad really....

You didn't discount me and basically admitted that you are getting the back of some internet "friend", who doesn't even have you listed as a friend on a forum, let alone IRL...

[mad70sx]

You didn't discount me and basically admitted that you are getting the back of some internet "friend", who doesn't even have you listed as a friend on a forum, let alone IRL...

lol...how you define a friend it quite comical,but whatever lonewolf,you clearly don't have the mental capacity to grasp what I'm saying....

[jimrobbington]

Well if what everyone says is true, it is the shops fault that the turbo is now bad. Maybe in fact, they did inspect it properly before installation, and it was functioning properly, but in the midst of poor installs, driving hundreds of miles with everything all fucked up could have done it in an instant. I think you need to look into the shop installing again. But sad as it is, you had them install a used product, and no one can prove that it was a faulty install our a faulty product. Even worse, no shop I know of warranties labor on any used hardware, or even new hardware that was sourced outside of them. Shitty situation for everybody. Only people who should buy used turbo kits are people who know enough to be installing it themselves.

[viziers]

Only people who should buy used turbo kits are people who know enough to be installing it themselves.

X2...

[extremesport3]

For the record Greg (mad70Sx) is a friend, which does come to my house and we do go to occasional track days with. So let that go already Event.

[event]

Way I see it y'all are just acquaintances, hardly the kind of relationship where one can vouch for character since the voucher really doesn't know crap about the person he's vouching for other than a mutual interest in cars and "occasional" interactions. That's the point and I've proven it with both your posts...

[joeycuccaro]

Way I see it y'all are just acquaintances, hardly the kind of relationship where one can vouch for character since the voucher really doesn't know crap about the person he's vouching for other than a mutual interest in cars and "occasional" interactions. That's the point and I've proven it with both your posts...

The only point you have proven is that you are an idiot. Please do yourself a favor and stop talking. Who are you to come in here making a point that John sold a bad part? You don't know him nor the shop that did the install on the turbo. Follow you're own logic and stop being hypocritical.


Well if what everyone says is true, it is the shops fault that the turbo is now bad. Maybe in fact, they did inspect it properly before installation, and it was functioning properly, but in the midst of poor installs, driving hundreds of miles with everything all fucked up could have done it in an instant. I think you need to look into the shop installing again. But sad as it is, you had them install a used product, and no one can prove that it was a faulty install our a faulty product. Even worse, no shop I know of warranties labor on any used hardware, or even new hardware that was sourced outside of them. Shitty situation for everybody. Only people who should buy used turbo kits are people who know enough to be installing it themselves.

Well said. [up]

[event]

The only point you have proven is that you are an idiot. Please do yourself a favor and stop talking.

I'm not part of the peanut gallery that came into a board they never go to, in order to vouch for some dude they hardly know anything about other than some trivial stuff. I'll keep on going if I want to since someone decided to bring in "backup" from people that hold no weight.

[Six Speed Turbo]

I don't know how hard that would be to prove. Would APR agree to possibly swap out the turbo on good faith?

I am already trying to work something out with APR.

[Six Speed Turbo]

Lol at obscure/random ziners suddenly coming into a thread with character witness and booming testimony. This thread is... amusing.

Would it be so amusing if this were happening to you. I think not, so the word amusing is not the word I would use to describe anything in this thread.

[Six Speed Turbo]

John is one of the most straight forward, honest, good guys I've met in the whole VAG scene... no way he'd ever knowingly screw someone over.

Well I sure hope you know your Friend.

[joeycuccaro]

I'm not part of the peanut gallery that came into a board they never go to, in order to vouch for some dude they hardly know anything about other than some trivial stuff. I'll keep on going if I want to since someone decided to bring in "backup" from people that hold no weight.

Hardly know? Really man? But we must be best friends since him and I are "friends" on AZ? How did you miss that? The only "weight" you are providing in this thread are the lolz.


Would it be so amusing if this were happening to you. I think not, so the word amusing is not the word I would use to describe anything in this thread.

Nothing is amusing here, you are right Six. I am very sorry for your troubles and i hope everything gets worked out in some way or another. Sucks to see another enthusiast in trouble. I wish the best for you.

[Six Speed Turbo]

Now to address Augie and the rest of you who want to crucify me for this.

Augie - first things first, i was more than a gentleman with you through out the transaction, i even extended you payment terms which were at your discretion. Never once did i lie to you. I told you what was missing from the kit, which i deducted from the price. In addition i worked everything out with the tune and extended a reduced rate i received from APR to you for the software.

As for the turbo, this would be news to me. You can ask anyone of the members on here that know me personally i would never do that to a fellow car enthusiest. The car was operating in peak performance to the day i sold it, the turbo never gave me any issues whatsoever. I also had an audi tech buddy of mine help with the uninstallation of it and i certainly packaged the unit properly for shipping. I dont know what can be done to work this out but please PM me and Im sure we can come to a compromise.

John

John,

I never said anything about payments, or any other components. My concern is the blown turbo. I have already PM'd you, but will announce publicly that I am willing to work something out man to man. So AZ give him a break, if he says he'll work it out, I believe he will to he proves otherwise!

Augie

[Six Speed Turbo]

Conclusion: Dont buy used stuff if:
1. U dont know the person
2. U dont know what r u buying
3. U dont have knowledge about ur purchase

Only #1 applies here. So you're saying you never bought something from someone you didn't know? I find that hard to believe. We all buy things online, at stores, ect. from people we've never met. It's called having faith that the fellow enthusiast will not burn you.

[Six Speed Turbo]

To the OP, did the install shop properly prime the turbo with oil and coolant before starting? A turbo running without oil (even for a few seconds) spells disaster.

Dave

Yes I had to buy additional oil for them to do so, I had them change my oil once the kit was in.

[Six Speed Turbo]

You are dreaming.

Agreed, they are in the business of making money, not giving away turbos. I would love it if they did, and would be super surprised. But I won't hold my breath.

[mad70sx]

John,Joey...don't waste your breath with this "event" nimrod.

OP...sorry for mucking up this thread. I sincerely do hope you get things squared away. I was just trying to back up a friend,something I'm sure you can understand.(and for some bizarre reason event can't) I'll say no more....

[crew219]

Yes I had to buy additional oil for them to do so, I had them change my oil once the kit was in.

Priming the turbo has nothing to do with an oil change.

After the setup is installed, they should disconnect a few fuses (fuel pump, fuel injector harness, coilpacks) and do a series of long cranks. Cranking without ignition will allow oil pressure to build and ensure that the turbo is getting oil and coolant. Without oil in the bearing before the car is started, the seals can be easily damaged and cause the turbo to be "blown" in a short amount of time.

I recently installed an APR Stage III kit on my A3 and I did the forementioned procedure and allowed the car to idle for 5 minutes after starting to ensure that everything was operating smoothly before even touching the gas pedal. So far so good...

Dave

[Six Speed Turbo]

To all the 'Ziners who have shown support ( in a ton of different ways ) Thank you. It is nice to know that those who protect freedom, are appreciated by those who are protected. It is the greatest thanks a Soldier can get. However, all the arguing over various subjects is unnecessary.

John, I wouldn't have blasted you in the first place if you would have responded sooner. Put yourself in my shoes and can easily see how everything seemed a little shady. I will be looking out for your PM's.

[event]

Hardly know? Really man? But we must be best friends since him and I are "friends" on AZ? How did you miss that? The only "weight" you are providing in this thread are the lolz.

Yeah, read my post and you'll notice that I didn't include you in the AZ/friends post, but pretty funny that you would even elude to that making you best friends, regardless if it was meant as a joke... Y'all are so phony, coming in here saying some internet (and occasional hang out) friend is stand up and this and that. No one wants to hear you say crap like that, you wouldn't be singing the same tune if you were in Six Speed's shoes.

Also, I'm pretty sure people are getting "lolz" from this whole convo in general, I'm happy to give them.

I'm done after reading the above post by Six Speed...

[Six Speed Turbo]

Priming the turbo has nothing to do with an oil change.

After the setup is installed, they should disconnect a few fuses (fuel pump, fuel injector harness, coilpacks) and do a series of long cranks. Cranking without ignition will allow oil pressure to build and ensure that the turbo is getting oil and coolant. Without oil in the bearing before the car is started, the seals can be easily damaged and cause the turbo to be "blown" in a short amount of time.

I recently installed an APR Stage III kit on my A3 and I did the forementioned procedure and allowed the car to idle for 5 minutes after starting to ensure that everything was operating smoothly before even touching the gas pedal. So far so good...

Dave

I know, but I am saying I had to purchase addition oil because the oil that I purchased was not enough for them to "also" prime the turbo. Bad explanation on my part!

[extremesport3]

Just to update all the toughguys who hide behind their desks and type away about what they know nothing about.....

Event - I just dont understand why its so difficult for you to understand the friendship of people who live in a close proximity of similar interests? Maybe its because your still too young to understand what it means to have friends that you dont go to high school with liveing around the block. Its best you divorce yourself from this thread so it does not get anymore derailed with you questioning my relationships with certain individuals.

As for the turbo situation - i am still trying to figure this out. After (3) trips to the shop with the "blown turbo" the shop has thrown up their hands and has said its now the turbo that it bad. I have to agree with what many others have already said. Wouldnt you, as a car guy, let alone a shop - check the turbo before install? I mean i would just so something like this does not happen. Especially if they know its second hand and turbos tend to have problems because issues to come with high rev'ing things. It now seems that because of all the headache and issues and because this "shop" says its the turbo it is now my problem.

I would like to resolve this however without buying a new turbo for Augie i dont see how else he would be happy. This is something i just cannot do.

John

[crew219]

I know, but I am saying I had to purchase addition oil because the oil that I purchased was not enough for them to "also" prime the turbo. Bad explanation on my part!

It barely takes any oil to prime the turbo.... it's just a very important part of installing a turbo that should never be skipped.

I re-read your posts. I think your beef is really with the shop.

4/6 flywheel bolts shearing off? Did they replace the clutch / flywheel? Usually when that happens, there's damage to both of those units + sometimes the tranny case.

The bumper, exhaust etc all misaligned? These are all things that can be correctly easily by the DIYer.

Don't build up the internals. There's no point. APR is not going to come out with a more aggressive tune without upgrading the low-pressure system...and they're not going to upgrade the low-pressure system.

FWIW, I did the APR stage III install over several days in my garage, working about 3 hours a day and doing maybe a total of 16 hours (not only installing the stage III kit). APR provides a very easy step-by-step manual to follow, however most "shops" simply think that they know better and will disregard the manual and do things their way. All the problems you're having seem to indicate that there is really something wrong with the install.

Have you taken the car to another shop to have the install / turbo looked at? I would highly recommend Mike@Purems. He has a very good reputation among vw/audi tuners in that region and he has installed several turbo upgrades before on the A4.

At this point it really seems as if your shop is pointing fingers. You should get a second opinion to determine if any of the allegations they are making are correct. If the turbo is indeed bad, I'd look at getting it rebuilt over paying the $$$ for a complete new unit.

Dave

[mo17k3y85]

I would like to resolve this however without buying a new turbo for Augie i dont see how else he would be happy. This is something i just cannot do.

John

step up and be a man and do it. That is the only way you can square everything away.

Refund him a reasonable amount for the turbo since that obviously is the source of the problem, regardless who is to blame that in the end that will ratify the situation. If 6 speed ever works out anything with APR/installer then he can split the difference with you then.

Same thing with the springs, give him back a portion of it.

Sometimes in life you have to bite the bullet to make things right. I own a business and got broken into a couple of years ago and the burglars took roughly 10k worth of stuff. My insurance company wouldn't cover me because there was a clause in my contract that stated I needed to have a security alarm installed for them to cover me. Long story short, i didn't have a alarm, my insurance agent was part to blame since he did the underwriting for it. In the end, he ended up writing me a check for majority of my loss. Now he is my sole agent for all my insurance needs. Stuff happens dude man up make it right.

[crew219]

Link to garrett turbo rebuild program.

http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobygarrett/products/BBService.html

Looks like ATP is the closest certified dealer. I've heard great things about Blouch though...

[crew219]

Refund him a reasonable amount for the turbo since that obviously is the source of the problem, regardless who is to blame that in the end that will ratify the situation. If 6 speed ever works out anything with APR/installer then he can split the difference with you then.

Is it? That's what the shop (which can't do a proper clutch, bumper & exhaust install) says....

Even if the turbo is damaged, you can't rule out that it had to do with the OP's shop's wack install.

OP really needs to get a second opinion and figure out what the problem is from a knowledgeable shop that has plenty of experience with this system (which is why I recommended PureMS)

[extremesport3]

step up and be a man and do it. That is the only way you can square everything away.

Refund him a reasonable amount for the turbo since that obviously is the source of the problem, regardless who is to blame that in the end that will ratify the situation. If 6 speed ever works out anything with APR/installer then he can split the difference with you then.

Same thing with the springs, give him back a portion of it.

Sometimes in life you have to bite the bullet to make things right. I own a business and got broken into a couple of years ago and the burglars took roughly 10k worth of stuff. My insurance company wouldn't cover me because there was a clause in my contract that stated I needed to have a security alarm installed for them to cover me. Long story short, i didn't have a alarm, my insurance agent was part to blame since he did the underwriting for it. In the end, he ended up writing me a check for majority of my loss. Now he is my sole agent for all my insurance needs. Stuff happens dude man up make it right.

Me buying a turbo because someone installed it inproperly is not the solution. So then every part i buy that is installed and then breaks should be the responsiblilty of the seller? Come on thats just crazy. I would def have done something if he had said he went to go install it and they noticed shaft play so they did not install it. Then i admit it would be me. Otherwise its a finger pointing game and i dont think its fair im left holding the bag.

John

[mo17k3y85]

regardless, don't you think you owe him something? I didn't say a new turbo I said reasonable amount for the turbo. Maybe a quote from Garrett/independent shop on how much it will cost to rebuilt it.

Whats right, is right...we can all make excuses and assumptions on what happened. There's always two sides to a story and the truth. If you feel the turbo was in immaculate condition when you took it off, and packaged then you don't owe anybody anything. It sucks but in our society to make things squared it usually requires money to do so. Hope everything works out for you guys.

[gpultro]

Gpultro - As for the coils, i still for the life of me cannot believe they were "blown" however if i remember correctly i sent you the necessary packaging to return them to stasis for warranty? Did you do that? They told me that they would address them and ship them back for free, they were warrantied. Again i would like to help you straighten this out.

John

They said they are not going to cover fixing them they do not have a lifetime warrenty as you stated and i had to buy brand new perches cause you jacked the original ones up. You do bad business I just took the loss instead of draggin you to court which you prob wouldnt have shown up anyway. thanks for the blown shocks...dont know how you live with yourself by getting over on people how low can you be...

[audi1234]

after reading all of this, it is very easy to say that ur installer has u with ur pants around ur ankles, they obviously f**kd up ur install and are now blaming it on a second hand part that they say was already blown........def a shitty situation for the seller and for the OP.... I dont believe he sold u a blown turbo (and i have no idea who extremesport3 is) but it looks like u def got bent over twice by the installer messing up the install, which blew the turbo, which now they wont fix (and they have every right not too).......It may not even be blown, get a second opinion

[gpultro]

after reading all of this, it is very easy to say that ur installer has u with ur pants around ur ankles, they obviously f**kd up ur install and are now blaming it on a second hand part that they say was already blown........def a shitty situation for the seller and for the OP.... I dont believe he sold u a blown turbo (and i have no idea who extremesport3 is) but it looks like u def got bent over twice by the installer messing up the install, which blew the turbo, which now they wont fix (and they have every right not too).......It may not even be blown, get a second opinion

which is funny cause you both live in LI....HMMMMM

[audi1234]

which is funny cause you both live in LI....HMMMMM

just cuz i live around him doesnt mean i know him, or have ever seen him, let alone talk to him

if i did now him i would have come in here saying he is an honest guy he would never do that which i didnt, i dont know him and was just shedding some light on what i think occured

simple as that

[Sprode]

step up and be a man and do it. That is the only way you can square everything away.

Refund him a reasonable amount for the turbo since that obviously is the source of the problem, regardless who is to blame that in the end that will ratify the situation. If 6 speed ever works out anything with APR/installer then he can split the difference with you then.

Same thing with the springs, give him back a portion of it.

Sometimes in life you have to bite the bullet to make things right. I own a business and got broken into a couple of years ago and the burglars took roughly 10k worth of stuff. My insurance company wouldn't cover me because there was a clause in my contract that stated I needed to have a security alarm installed for them to cover me. Long story short, i didn't have a alarm, my insurance agent was part to blame since he did the underwriting for it. In the end, he ended up writing me a check for majority of my loss. Now he is my sole agent for all my insurance needs. Stuff happens dude man up make it right.

I am going to assume your business isn't a second-hand or wearing parts business. Certainly not car parts. The moment you install it on your car it is out of the seller's responsibility. If you don't immediately check out second hand parts, it is on you because any number of things can happen. It would be one thing if he took it out of the box and the turbo wasn't spinning; instead he ran it for a while, who knows what went wrong, and now he is throwing his hands up. Welcome to the aftermarket game, things break. Given the amount of things that went wrong, I have really got to point my finger at the shop.

I somehow doubt your insurance agent wrote you that check out of pocket.

[extremesport3]

I am going to assume your business isn't a second-hand or wearing parts business. Certainly not car parts. The moment you install it on your car it is out of the seller's responsibility. If you don't immediately check out second hand parts, it is on you because any number of things can happen. It would be one thing if he took it out of the box and the turbo wasn't spinning; instead he ran it for a while, who knows what went wrong, and now he is throwing his hands up. Welcome to the aftermarket game, things break. Given the amount of things that went wrong, I have really got to point my finger at the shop.

I somehow doubt your insurance agent wrote you that check out of pocket.

Sprode - thanks for shedding the proper light on this. Thats exactly what i told Six Speed. It does not seem fair that i get left holding the bag. I know i would have had someone inspect the parts if they were second hand. Hindsight is 20/20 however i cannot say that it has not happened to me. Shit it happened to me just last week. I ordered a rear csl diffuser for my car - the guy claimed their was a small crack, when it showed up it needed 250 dollars worth of body work and paint. I paid for it, and i let the seller know.

This is what happens when you bring your car to shops you dont know too much about...... unfortunately.

[extremesport3]

which is funny cause you both live in LI....HMMMMM

You know everyone in NJ with an Audi? must be hard to keep track of all those people...

[mo17k3y85]

like i said, if the kit ran flawlessly in your hands and never gave you any trouble, then by all means don't do a damn thing, but if it ever did then your stuck between a rock and a hard place knowing you sold an iffy product. If your confident it was in working order, disassembled correctly, and shipped correctly then you don't owe anyone a explanation or refund.

Yes, my insurance agent wrote me a check for the loss. That's the cost of doing business. Reputation is everything, and word gets around.

[Sales@RAI]

OP, is the shop an advertiser on here? If it's who I think it is they've been shady for a LONG time

[Sprode]

like i said, if the kit ran flawlessly in your hands and never gave you any trouble, then by all means don't do a damn thing, but if it ever did then your stuck between a rock and a hard place knowing you sold an iffy product. If your confident it was in working order, disassembled correctly, and shipped correctly then you don't owe anyone a explanation or refund.

Yes, my insurance agent wrote me a check for the loss. That's the cost of doing business. Reputation is everything, and word gets around.

First of all, you don't disassemble a turbo to ship it. Second: you actually said
Refund him a reasonable amount for the turbo since that obviously is the source of the problem, regardless who is to blame that in the end that will rectify the situation.

And if your insurance agent can afford to give you 10k of his own money because you didn't read your own contract, I am in the wrong profession.

[gpultro]

Let the court find out the truth dont listen to anyone on here about the situation!!!!

[extremesport3]

Greg- im pretty sure that even a court could not settle this that simply especially since it had been installed. The parts not working after 3 visits to the dealer, all while running the turbo could not be good.

I am settling this with Augie, i really dont think we need any help with this matter. Thanks though.

John

[GarrettReid]

For the record Greg (mad70Sx) is a friend, which does come to my house and we do go to occasional track days with. So let that go already Event.

Pics or it's not true

[fernank1987]

on my opinion, I think john sold a working turbo and that the shop that installed it blow the turbo. I sold my ps3 like three years ago after 3 months of owning it on ebay in like new condition, 2 weeks later the guy tells me that the system didn't eject his game and file a complain. I won cause it was his game in the system, so something went wrong on his end, not mine. Things can break during shipping...don't blame john for it.

[mo17k3y85]

First of all, you don't disassemble a turbo to ship it. Second: you actually said

And if your insurance agent can afford to give you 10k of his own money because you didn't read your own contract, I am in the wrong profession.

its not the point of "affording it" or not. If you sell something and you back it up and something goes wrong its obviously your fault. My insurance agent sold me insurance that pretty much was worthless due to the fact that I needed a burglar alarm to be worth anything. If I got burglarized which I did, and he didn't own up to it knowing that I don't have a alarm in the first place what kind of douche bag person is that? In the end my situation had an up side which I hope this will turn out to be as well.

If you don't like my opinion tough luck bro, its a public forum. BTW this isn't even our matter to discuss in the first place just mucking the thread up.

[brownishwater]

on my opinion, I think john sold a working turbo and that the shop that installed it blow the turbo. I sold my ps3 like three years ago after 3 months of owning it on ebay in like new condition, 2 weeks later the guy tells me that the system didn't eject his game and file a complain. I won cause it was his game in the system, so something went wrong on his end, not mine. Things can break during shipping...don't blame john for it.

Will you ******s just let the buyers and seller work it out. You idiots from LI who have nothing to do with this are not helping Johns case very much. GTFO, close this thread, and let the op and the seller sort it out. Jesus.

[extremesport3]

Will you ******s just let the buyers and seller work it out. You idiots from Rhode Island who have nothing to do with this are not helping Johns case very much. GTFO, close this thread, and let the op and the seller sort it out. Jesus.

Corrected, i believe he is from Rhode Island... and once again i dont know this person. They are simply giving their opinion. But i have to agree, i will and currently am working to help Augie (Six Speed).

[04Ultrasprt]

OP, sorry to hear that you are having to deal with all this trouble, I had a similar experience with my S/C'd S4, my car spent months in the shop all due to a very poor install and sloppy work by the shop which lead to problems with some hardware.

I had APR's K04 kit on my B7 A4 and can tell you that their kits are top notch, I ran my car very hard for 18k miles with the kit and never had an issue. The guy I sold the car has done over 25k miles on the kit and has been trouble free as well. I'm also a good friend of extremesport (I talk with him on the phone several times a week and we hang out on the weekends as do many of the other people who have posted in here, not just a "forum" friend) I helped him with the install of this kit on his car and have taken numerous rides in his car with the stage 3 kit installed. The car was running awesome right up to the time he uninstalled it, he only sold it because he realized having an M is a much faster way around the track. The tech who helped him with it is one of the best Audi Techs in the area.

The above should help you rule out the following as potential issues:

- APR - the kit worked great on extremes car and APR builds some of the most reliable and street friendly kits you can get

- Extremesport selling bad products - I've been in his car and have driven it, the car pulled like a bat out of hell

- Uninstall - the tech who did the work does this for a living for Audi, he is also a huge enthusiast

I would check into the shop who did your install. It sounds like they didnt take the time to make sure things were done right ie. your bumper, exhaust, and clutch issues. If they didnt take the time to make sure your bumper was on right, the odds are they didnt take the time to double check all the fittings for your install. Sorry your having to deal with all this.

[Six Speed Turbo]

Hey AZ I am still car-less at this point. However, John and I are working an agreement. I am still working with Keith @ APR to see what options I have with them, he seems genuinely concerned about my situation. In addition I am looking at different shop in my area to give me a second opinion, all while keeping the frying pan hot for the current shop!

Thanks for all the support, help, and advice AZ, regardless of how vulgar some of you were.

[Six Speed Turbo]

OP, is the shop an advertiser on here? If it's who I think it is they've been shady for a LONG time

No, not them!