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6berry
12-04-2010, 08:00 PM
ive seen some pics of audis with carbon fiber wings and they dont look too ricer so why arent there more of them? i see plenty of lip spoilers and a feew little stock spoilers but i like the look of a wing on a b5 but was wondering why they arent more common??

Bsix3.0
12-04-2010, 08:02 PM
different strokes for different folks..

AudiNFS
12-04-2010, 08:05 PM
tends to be more of a japanese car thing.

6berry
12-04-2010, 08:15 PM
i know a lot of jap cars do them but i was just talking about a little clean looking wing or even a clean looking stock one off another car

pattshreds
12-04-2010, 08:25 PM
IMO, a car that isnt going 180+ mph doesnt need a wing.

HeimlichkeitB7
12-04-2010, 08:32 PM
IMO, a car that isnt going 180+ mph doesnt need a wing.

well those jap cars go 180 standing still!!! hahaha

dumpedb5
12-04-2010, 08:41 PM
If a car isn't made with a wing it obviously doesn't need one. Its just stupid if you put one on a car that has no use for it. Unless you plan to only use your car for track use don't put a wing on it. On another hand if you enjoy being called a ricer and getting thumbs down from other cars go for it......

Unless they drive this car.

http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc409/TRAVTRON2010/Audi/ricera4trav.jpg

TomyG
12-04-2010, 08:57 PM
cause it looks terrible.. unless its the m3 lip...

dumpedb5
12-04-2010, 09:02 PM
OP, are you talking this?
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc409/TRAVTRON2010/ricerspoiler.gif


Or this?
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc409/TRAVTRON2010/Audi/Spoiler_Finished.jpg

Greedo
12-04-2010, 09:06 PM
A wing?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lvIfVbzQ9w

Get a grip.

6berry
12-04-2010, 09:52 PM
dumpedb5, that first one looks horrible. i guess ill just have to find an m3 lip. what generation of m3 is it from?

$teady$upreme
12-05-2010, 01:10 AM
something like this one?

http://www.vividracing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=3892

6berry
12-05-2010, 09:09 AM
yeah that one looks alright

BlackLock_A4
12-05-2010, 10:16 AM
something like this one?

http://www.vividracing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=3892

I like it too, my buddies S4 has one and I never realized it wasn't OEM until I got my B5. However, I do like the clean back... no lip, no wing just plain sex.

shokwav09
12-05-2010, 10:51 AM
style and functionality are able to go hand in hand. the right wing a 65+ mph will plant the ass end of a car down good ,aka TRACTION. most cars are designed with coeffenciency to that speed, hence why most cars average mpg at highway speeds. the end though results on what the driver chooses. i ran this on my srt4 and. whoa!!! what a bargain!!

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.streetbeatcustoms.com%2Fjspcf gt0559.html&ei=EN_7TOuiFdCOnwfR5PTHCg&usg=AFQjCNE6HecMe1Ua_PyiXEyk1z3qHvAiww&sig2=c8cj9sgzdzYAga3pUK5uUg

to call it rice, is an understatement. that shit worked. and it was hot!!

Corrado_Guy
12-05-2010, 11:08 AM
Spoilers aren't really needed unless you do track time at 100 mph plus where you need extra down force. Because these cars are AWD they don't need as much down force added because they have more than enough grip. My Corrado uses a spoiled to add about 40% more down force over the rear wheels because it is FWD and they tend to lose grip on the rear wheels but this isn't an issue with these cars. Personally I find most of these take away from the looks of the car and if I were to install one it would be the S4/M3 style which is very subtle.

CalAvant
12-05-2010, 11:25 AM
OP,.......Or this?
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc409/TRAVTRON2010/Audi/Spoiler_Finished.jpg

^ I like! M3 lip spoilers have a clean look.
http://www.ecstuning.com/Audi-B5_A4-Quattro-1.8T/Exterior/Body/Spoiler/ES206615/

shokwav09
12-05-2010, 11:31 AM
Spoilers aren't really needed unless you do track time at 100 mph plus where you need extra down force. Because these cars are AWD they don't need as much down force added because they have more than enough grip. My Corrado uses a spoiled to add about 40% more down force over the rear wheels because it is FWD and they tend to lose grip on the rear wheels but this isn't an issue with these cars. Personally I find most of these take away from the looks of the car and if I were to install one it would be the S4/M3 style which is very subtle.

i dont know where the 100mph comes into play. the gt spoiler i used was effective at 65 plus. i say more traction is always better. but this can be easily disputed just because of preference by driver. for instance though, lets say you have awd and run lower cost less grippier tires. some difference is made up with a spolier depending on the type. want more traction? do the math. itd also depend of the coe of them too.

hotshot32890
12-05-2010, 12:29 PM
E46 rear lip FTW.

Ldiaz12
12-05-2010, 12:50 PM
IMO, a car that isnt going 180+ mph doesnt need a wing.

IMO you should sell me your car....
Well back to the topic, you should just go with an M3 lip spoiler I think its 10x cleaner plus your car is a DD not a 9 sec track car.

Corrado_Guy
12-05-2010, 12:53 PM
i dont know where the 100mph comes into play. the gt spoiler i used was effective at 65 plus. i say more traction is always better. but this can be easily disputed just because of preference by driver. for instance though, lets say you have awd and run lower cost less grippier tires. some difference is made up with a spolier depending on the type. want more traction? do the math. itd also depend of the coe of them too.

100 mph is a general number but aerodynamics don't really come into play until you are getting up towards the triple numbers in speed when you start getting lift under the car. The faster you go the more will start to get trapped under the car and start causing the car to lift where you will start unloading the tires and this is the point where you need aerodynamics devices to push the car back onto the ground. It is a lot like an airplane, there are few that really get much lift at lower speeds and need to get a fair amount of speed or wings just stall out. Your car is no different, you can have all of the aero devices you want on the car but until it is really moving they don't really change much. Then you have to balance them or you really screw the handling, the more you increase the load over the rear with your big spoilers you then have to adjust the front or it starts to lift and you lose handling or down force over the front wheels. All these devices do is add drag so the more spoilers you have on the car the slower it will go at higher speeds and the mileage will start to drop. This is one of the reasons that race cars that typically go slower will less aero devices on it because the down force isn't really needed and will actually slow the car at the top end of things. I remember back in the days of European Touring Car racing, the Japanese race series made the most power out of the different countries and their A4's had the most aggressive areo packages and they were also the slowest of the group.

JEmm
12-05-2010, 01:26 PM
style and functionality are able to go hand in hand. the right wing a 65+ mph will plant the ass end of a car down good ,aka TRACTION. most cars are designed with coeffenciency to that speed, hence why most cars average mpg at highway speeds. the end though results on what the driver chooses. i ran this on my srt4 and. whoa!!! what a bargain!!

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.streetbeatcustoms.com%2Fjspcf gt0559.html&ei=EN_7TOuiFdCOnwfR5PTHCg&usg=AFQjCNE6HecMe1Ua_PyiXEyk1z3qHvAiww&sig2=c8cj9sgzdzYAga3pUK5uUg

to call it rice, is an understatement. that shit worked. and it was hot!!


i dont know where the 100mph comes into play. the gt spoiler i used was effective at 65 plus. i say more traction is always better. but this can be easily disputed just because of preference by driver. for instance though, lets say you have awd and run lower cost less grippier tires. some difference is made up with a spolier depending on the type. want more traction? do the math. itd also depend of the coe of them too.

I feel dumb for asking but you're joking... right? I really find it hard to believe you're serious (honestly hoping you're joking as well)


Well back to the topic, you should just go with an M3 lip spoiler I think its 10x cleaner plus your car is a DD not a 9 sec track car.

This.

biketsai
12-05-2010, 01:27 PM
Wow, I didnt know B5 drivers were race car engineers.

shokwav09
12-05-2010, 03:09 PM
Wow, I didnt know B5 drivers were race car engineers.

people have areas of thier own expertise. especially when it comes to preferences of style and what theyve known to work of thier rides. so self made engineers do exist. in a sense.
but to jemm. what am i joking about? and spoilers were the topic.

and its a joke that theres this cliche of how a person builds thier ride should be. you bunch of fackin conformists. lol

shokwav09
12-05-2010, 03:15 PM
but to corrado, that makes sense. my srt4 had a high rear end, which we both know will increase lift. prob why the spoiler was more effective on it at lower speeds. damned neons

Corrado_Guy
12-05-2010, 03:45 PM
Many of the spoilers and aerodynamic add-ons you see are only for visual effects and don't really do anything otherwise so it can be easy to be fooled. The rear spoilers on the first generation Audi TT were needed because they were unstable at speed as with the Corrado as they were both designed to go really fast so you need to keep them on the road. Because the SRT4 is a performance car and is also FWD it probably needed a little extra down force.

Point in hand, I don't know how much you guys know about Audi history but this car set an average speed of over 333 kph around Talladega doing over 350 kph on the straights and you can clearly see this car doesn't have huge spoilers. This was done in 1985/1986 with a Audi 200 making about 650 hp with a factory shell and a splitter on the front and a small spoiler on the rear and he was able to do so without huge spoilers. If you engineer the car properly you don't have to bolt crap all over it unless you like how it looks and this is much different from need. This is just one example but there are many more to go by.

http://www.audistory.24max.de/old1/pic3/talladegabyjt.jpg

BlackLock_A4
12-05-2010, 03:57 PM
i like the look of a wing on a b5 but was wondering why they arent more common??


unless you like how it looks

There you go sir.

shokwav09
12-05-2010, 04:01 PM
Many of the spoilers and aerodynamic add-ons you see are only for visual effects and don't really do anything otherwise so it can be easy to be fooled. The rear spoilers on the first generation Audi TT were needed because they were unstable at speed as with the Corrado as they were both designed to go really fast so you need to keep them on the road. Because the SRT4 is a performance car and is also FWD it probably needed a little extra down force.

Point in hand, I don't know how much you guys know about Audi history but this car set an average speed of over 333 kph around Talladega doing over 350 kph on the straights and you can clearly see this car doesn't have huge spoilers. This was done in 1985/1986 with a Audi 200 making about 650 hp with a factory shell and a splitter on the front and a small spoiler on the rear and he was able to do so without huge spoilers. If you engineer the car properly you don't have to bolt crap all over it unless you like how it looks and this is much different from need. This is just one example but there are many more to go by.

http://www.audistory.24max.de/old1/pic3/talladegabyjt.jpg

my spolier worked. i wouldnt have used it if it didnt. but since i thought it looked good too. well. see post 2. but when im driving and i feel the car situate itself, id say its performing. as for bolting on crap. thats how i see an m3 lip. mere style and no useage other than eyecandy. a fad nobody should conform to. corrado, you have imtellectuality that surpasses most. keep up the tude pimp

VMRWheels
12-05-2010, 04:48 PM
For those of you wishing to do a little reading up on the subject, check out this article - http://www.aprperformance.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=176&Itemid=44

Personally, I would opt for a lip spoiler over anything else (including no spoiler at all) for the B5 platform [up]

Turbo Nerd
12-05-2010, 05:12 PM
M3 lip or nothing at all, spend your money somewhere else or you will end up in one of these YouTube videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrJomhxIV04&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Turbo Nerd
12-05-2010, 11:16 PM
^lol

dumpedb5
12-06-2010, 02:39 AM
M3 lip or nothing at all, spend your money somewhere else or you will end up in one of these YouTube videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrJomhxIV04&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Alot of that was painful to watch.

allessence
12-06-2010, 04:24 AM
a front lip spoiler will add dramatically better handling performance and help to suck the car down better than a rear spoiler for general purpose applications, A front and a rear spoiler makes for a better overall approach since it balances out the packge. vacuum under the car and the spoiler to spoil the airflow going over.

I prefer a pass over under design (Wing)with anything other than a silver, or white car since a flat spoiler usually just makes for a great dirt collecter and the B5's with the drop right after the boot lid makes for a dirty back end even with a clean wash and dry.

Don't just go out and buy something though, You'd want to do research and see what kinds of gains you would get. Any good company will have a spec sheet with gains vs loses at what speed on what vehicle (test bed).

Some down force above 65mph is nice no matter whether your a racer or just a daily driver.