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Adam_S4
09-28-2010, 05:43 AM
http://audisrs.com/ftopic17401-0-asc-0.php

cjk
09-28-2010, 05:46 AM
Nice build man!

RONDAL
09-28-2010, 05:52 AM
is there any way to view that without registering?

TighTT
09-28-2010, 06:07 AM
How about posting it here rather than linking to another forum we have to sign up for?

dla79
09-28-2010, 06:30 AM
http://audisrs.com/ftopic17401-0-asc-0.php

Man shitty what is that mess that was in your turbos??

Don Supreme
09-28-2010, 07:09 AM
Is the build complete? I would sign up if it was... Not going to if its still 6 months out!

dla79
09-28-2010, 07:11 AM
Is the build complete? I would sign up if it was... Not going to if its still 6 months out!

Not complete but looks to be almost there. MRC had issues with the TiAL turbos and the fitting supplied in the kit.

Don Supreme
09-28-2010, 07:22 AM
MRC had issues with the TiAL turbos and the fitting supplied in the kit.

I hate hearing things like that...

dla79
09-28-2010, 08:05 AM
Yea they really need to modify their inlet to be more practical. Pressure testing with them and the fitment need some revisions to get it right.

Tony@EPL
09-28-2010, 08:13 AM
Yea they really need to modify their inlet to be more practical. Pressure testing with them and the fitment need some revisions to get it right.

To date, we have most likely built more Tial cars then any other shop.... We routinely pressure test to 20 psi without issue. I guess Im missing what the problem is.

FlyboyS4
09-28-2010, 08:17 AM
To date, we have most likely built more Tial cars then any other shop.... We routinely pressure test to 20 psi without issue. I guess Im missing what the problem is.

5 psi was sufficient to detach the pax side inlet from the turbo on my car.

Jason@Addict
09-28-2010, 09:22 AM
We weld tabs on our inlets for this issue, though a simple block of wood or rubber mallet placed in between the inlet and core support works as well. It's not really a big issue.

nthusiastt
09-28-2010, 09:23 AM
How about posting it here rather than linking to another forum we have to sign up for?

Because AudiSRS > Audizine.

NOTORIOUS VR
09-28-2010, 09:31 AM
Because AudiSRS > Audizine.

Leave then

dla79
09-28-2010, 09:47 AM
We weld tabs on our inlets for this issue, though a simple block of wood or rubber mallet placed in between the inlet and core support works as well. It's not really a big issue.

Thanks Jason. This is what I was referring to. When doing pressure testing they are a PITA and they fingers on the passenger side hit the snorkle and it is just a PITA to get that one on right. I just think that they could be revised to work much better and be more user friendly like the K04 inlets.

Paulyworld1432
09-28-2010, 09:47 AM
We weld tabs on our inlets for this issue, though a simple block of wood or rubber mallet placed in between the inlet and core support works as well. It's not really a big issue.

Great Idea!

Adam_S4
09-28-2010, 09:51 AM
Its not my post but the QC on the kit they sent was awful....


Just popped in to MRC to see if my Tial build is really happening and it's at a nice stage. Engine Pulled, Comp lowering gasket in, iconel manifolds installed and turbos come next. Here are the photo's taken by MRC so far.
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D
http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/881827/SDC10533.jpg (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/881827/SDC10533.jpg)
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Update on the Build.

Doug has spotted the first major issue. Extremely poor quality control :!: :!: :!:
No wonder we don't see too many threads.

http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/883191/SDC10599.jpg (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/883191/SDC10599.jpg)
http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/883192/swarf+in+tials.jpg (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/883192/swarf+in+tials.jpg)

On top of this, the direct replacement kit oil lines don't fit :evil:

At this point MRC are going to pull them apart and clean the swarf away and make all the fittings work.

Not a good start from Tial.


We'll get there Peter.

There won't be any issue with them since they were bought by the customer direct from the US to a US address - they have just been sent over to be fitted by us.

Wastegates are 1 bar wastegates but spaced out so one is set to 24psi and the other is 21psi. This is too high to get enough resolution for tuning so these have been lowered and matched to 15psi.

The oil supply distributor on an rs4 has been modified so the tial oil lines connect to an RS4 oil distributor.

The charge pipes need cut and welded to shorten them to physically fit.

The oil drain lines kink if bolted straight on so these need cut and rewelded to shorten them.

The intake pipes are really nice but because they are one piece we will cut them in half and make a bracket to hold the lower half to the original position. You can then get access to camcovers without removing the intake pipes completely.


More pics:

http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/883917/SDC10610.jpg (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/883917/SDC10610.jpg)

http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/883918/SDC10611.jpg (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/883918/SDC10611.jpg)

http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/883919/SDC10612.jpg (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/883919/SDC10612.jpg)

http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/883920/SDC10613.jpg (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/883920/SDC10613.jpg)

http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/883921/SDC10614.jpg (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/883921/SDC10614.jpg)

gearhead1186
09-28-2010, 10:38 AM
Doug has spotted the first major issue. Extremely poor quality control :!: :!: :!:
No wonder we don't see too many threads.


I had no issues with two sets of Tials. Feel free to check out my build thread.


The oil drain lines kink if bolted straight on so these need cut and rewelded to shorten them.


didnt have to cut my oil drain lines with my 605s or 770s. the fabbed manifolds probably dont exactly match the stock pieces and thus moved the turbos closer causing the oil drain line to kink.


The charge pipes need cut and welded to shorten them to physically fit.


pretty simple.. no need to weld.

http://inlinethumb63.webshots.com/20542/2935550590103989424S600x600Q85.jpg

http://inlinethumb55.webshots.com/45942/2301300660103989424S600x600Q85.jpg

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http://inlinethumb11.webshots.com/44746/2618685400103989424S600x600Q85.jpg

dla79
09-28-2010, 10:42 AM
didnt have to cut my oil drain lines with my 605s or 770s. the fabbed manifolds probably dont exactly match the stock pieces and thus moved the turbos closer causing the oil drain line to kink.

Yea that was my thoughts too on the lines kinking.

loomx
09-28-2010, 10:55 AM
I though it would be cause the lines might be slightly different on the RS4 engine.

Evilevo
09-28-2010, 11:36 AM
I had no issues with two sets of Tials. Feel free to check out my build thread.



Weren't your 605s blown as soon as you installed them?

Don Supreme
09-28-2010, 11:43 AM
Weren't your 605s blown as soon as you installed them?

Not attacking Mike, but Adam is making a good point. The inlet required modification and the some kind of FOD damaged the turbo right? A well designed kit like this should not need any modification to the kit's core components.

Tony@EPL
09-28-2010, 12:18 PM
Weren't your 605s blown as soon as you installed them?

Im sure Mike will post the same thing when he sees this comment.... Unfortunately the turbos were damaged do to install error =(.

RONDAL
09-28-2010, 12:23 PM
is that inlet modification (cutting) needed for all Tial 605 kits?
Would be a good thing to know as I'm about to start mine soon

jfunkey
09-28-2010, 12:38 PM
Dam what a mess. Some of the issues Ive heard of with poor set wategates and over boosting *back when johnnyB was involved* kept me from looking too hard at the tial kits

MRC knows what there doing there tuning might not be top but I don't see them having an issue installing parts unless there was an issue. good work but the machene work looked not so good on those tials.

I still don't the the point to spending all that money on turbos and bolting them to the stock manifold..

Tony@EPL
09-28-2010, 12:42 PM
is that inlet modification (cutting) needed for all Tial 605 kits?
Would be a good thing to know as I'm about to start mine soon

No, we've never had to modify an inlet pipe during a 605 install.

as4driver
09-28-2010, 02:09 PM
No problems with install here and i thought the quality was top notch. I honestly think they are just as easy as installing ko4s. The manifolds may pay a token to the fitment issue but, they sure are nice. When you slide the inlet onto the compressor housing be sure to do a few trial runs. I found that once the o-ring is seated it wont move. A little lube might help as well.

Good Luck with the build!!
Evan

julex
09-28-2010, 02:09 PM
is that inlet modification (cutting) needed for all Tial 605 kits?
Would be a good thing to know as I'm about to start mine soon

No... What needs cutting is hard tube that sits between turbo and intercooler, it is just too long. Look at Gearhead's solution with the locking pliers, exhaust hanger bracket and a large washer. This is simply ingenious. Easy way to make sure that will never pop out when pressure testing.

If you were to re-use K04 inlets though, I believe you'd have to but them a bit and use silicone connector but then you'd be restricting turbos so it is not a good idea to re-use k04 inlets...

Thee seems to be and issue with Tial inlets though. They don't have mounting brackets and when pressure testing, they will pop-out from turbo inlets. Kinda screwy imho... Additionally, they will most likely interfere with valve covers removal since they are one piece... but maybe not.

gearhead1186
09-28-2010, 04:32 PM
Weren't your 605s blown as soon as you installed them?

my comment was geared towards the install of the kit. I bent my 605 wheels due to a broken o-ring on the inlet. clearly my fault and not the kits since nobody else has done the same. ive messed with both inlets plenty of times to pull the valve covers while running the 770s and have had no issues. [up]


Not attacking Mike, but Adam is making a good point. The inlet required modification and the some kind of FOD damaged the turbo right? A well designed kit like this should not need any modification to the kit's core components.

no modification to the inlets necessary. if you really want u can weld on securing tabs but i dont see the benefit aside from quick easy pressure testing.



No... What needs cutting is hard tube that sits between turbo and intercooler, it is just too long. Look at Gearhead's solution with the locking pliers, exhaust hanger bracket and a large washer. This is simply ingenious. Easy way to make sure that will never pop out when pressure testing.


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Their seems to be and issue with Tial inlets though. They don't have mounting brackets and when pressure testing, they will pop-out from turbo inlets. Kinda screwy imho... Additionally, they will most likely interfere with valve covers removal since they are one piece... but maybe not

Mine pop off while pressure testing 15-20psi. a 2x4 wedged on each side is a quick solution. you shouldnt have to pressure test that frequently where the inlets become a frustration. The pass side inlet has enuf room to swing to the side and pull the valve cover off easily. The driver's side can be done with the inlet on but you have to pull the VC just right. I just pull the inlet off and pop it back on carefully when im done.

fatezero
09-28-2010, 10:29 PM
Because AudiSRS > Audizine.

Then get the hell out of here already Mr. 1000hp boy.

bryzf1
09-28-2010, 10:50 PM
Then get the hell out of here already Mr. 1000hp boy.

I see you ordered/have a Suzuka Grey S4... I just put an order in for a 2011 A6 Avant in the same color. I originally ordered the S4 and changed my mind and decided to get the Avant instead. Can't wait for the modding to begin!

Ok... back to the original topic!

peterp1072
09-29-2010, 11:10 AM
Hello All,
I see that Audizine has as many enthusiasts as Audisrs. The car in the MRC Build is mine. The small mods were never the real issue. The swarf deposits on the cold side is the main issue and if this was not picked up by the builder I'm sure my engine would be looking at a rebuild also. This is my problem with Tial, not the small fitting issues.

Enough moaning, the car should be back together this weekend and tuned early next week. I'll keep all posted and post the results in whp not bhp,PS pr chp. Then we can atleast have a comparison between UK tuners and US tuners :)
Are there any Tial 605 builds on Audizine that have results posted?
Pete

RONDAL
09-29-2010, 11:43 AM
there are a few in the build thread section of the b5 s4 section

Laaf
09-29-2010, 11:48 AM
Dam what a mess. Some of the issues Ive heard of with poor set wategates and over boosting *back when johnnyB was involved* kept me from looking too hard at the tial kits

MRC knows what there doing there tuning might not be top but I don't see them having an issue installing parts unless there was an issue. good work but the machene work looked not so good on those tials.

I still don't the the point to spending all that money on turbos and bolting them to the stock manifold..

MRC's tunes not being top? It's about the only company I'd trust making a custom map for my S4.

peterp1072
09-29-2010, 11:54 AM
MRC's tunes not being top? It's about the only company I'd trust making a custom map for my S4.

I deliberately avoided that comment. Obviously has no experience of European tuners otherwise wouldn't make such baseless accusations!

DxC
09-29-2010, 12:06 PM
mihnea cotet is a good tuner no doubt, people in the USA know him and respect him - but there are plenty of tuners stateside as well .. many tuners with MUCH more experience tuning the tial 605 kit in quesiton. how many has mihnea tuned as of today?

i am very curious to see how mihnea goes about tuning the car especially since he adjusted the wastegate preload to be lower - hope you can hold the boost you are looking to hold

peterp1072
09-29-2010, 12:14 PM
I don't disagree with the comment that Stateside there are more tuners with experience in the Tial 605kit. This will be the first for both Doug and Minhea of MRC.
However MRC have more experience in tuning Audi's and I have no doubt that they will achieve results that will astound tuners stateside. I will post all the results good or bad.

Pete

gearhead1186
09-29-2010, 12:30 PM
Are there any Tial 605 builds on Audizine that have results posted?
Pete

As4drivers EPL-Tial-605-Build!!! (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/363834-As4driver-s-EPL-Tial-605-Build!!!)

Real world street logs from an EPL TiAL 605 car.-2.88-FATS (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/387886-Real-world-street-logs-from-an-EPL-TiAL-605-car.-2.88-FATS.?highlight=)

DaveM@EPL
09-29-2010, 12:35 PM
Thanks Mike!

peterp1072
09-29-2010, 12:41 PM
As4drivers EPL-Tial-605-Build!!! (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/363834-As4driver-s-EPL-Tial-605-Build!!!)

Real world street logs from an EPL TiAL 605 car.-2.88-FATS (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/387886-Real-world-street-logs-from-an-EPL-TiAL-605-car.-2.88-FATS.?highlight=)

Thanks Mike, that's exactly what I was looking for. Should have enough for a good comparison now.

nthusiastt
09-29-2010, 12:50 PM
In for MRC results...


Then get the hell out of here already Mr. 1000hp boy.

Wow, that was original lol. You can go ahead and quit trolling now and let the thread fall back on topic.

lynchy
09-29-2010, 01:15 PM
looking forward to the results Peter

flyingfish2626
09-29-2010, 07:07 PM
EPL Tial 605's here....nothing but fun for me. Thanks again Tony and Robin.

peterp1072
09-30-2010, 04:18 AM
Update from MRC Build
Intake pipes modified - brackets welded on to stop them popping off under pressure testing.

Intake cut in half and beaded so we can remove the uppers if we need to.

UK passenger side charge pipe cut and beaded, and the bracket that bolts to the sump is rewelded to strengthen it as these tend to crack on the ssingle weld.

http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/885569/SDC10655.jpg
http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/885572/SDC10656.jpg

fatezero
09-30-2010, 07:40 AM
Very nice! Tial needs to sell these inlets like this. Great job!

peterp1072
09-30-2010, 08:07 AM
One side complete

http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/885637/SDC10665.jpg

dla79
09-30-2010, 08:55 AM
Very nice! Tial needs to sell these inlets like this. Great job!

I agree. I think they really should rethink the design because that looks much much better on the user friendly front.

Laaf
09-30-2010, 10:54 AM
mihnea cotet is a good tuner no doubt, people in the USA know him and respect him - but there are plenty of tuners stateside as well .. many tuners with MUCH more experience tuning the tial 605 kit in quesiton. how many has mihnea tuned as of today?

i am very curious to see how mihnea goes about tuning the car especially since he adjusted the wastegate preload to be lower - hope you can hold the boost you are looking to hold

Whats the difference in making a custom map for KKK turbos or Tial, don't understand why mihnea or doug would make a bad tune because they never tuned on Tials before?

And I don't think we'll see any top HP numbers here, but a fecking fast car with a great powerband.

salts
09-30-2010, 11:40 AM
Holy crap. The lack of shaft length on those turbos is insane. I have never seen a turbo in my life that did not have the shaft protruding all the way through the nut on the compressor wheel using all of the threads to engage. On something that is spinning close to 200K RPM and experiences millions of frequencies and pressure waves i would definitely want tial to fix that. I have seen the results of multiple turbo failures in the test cells and they can do some damage when those wheels come off..... i dont know why they would have let them out the door like that?

dla79
09-30-2010, 12:01 PM
Holy crap. The lack of shaft length on those turbos is insane. I have never seen a turbo in my life that did not have the shaft protruding all the way through the nut on the compressor wheel using all of the threads to engage. On something that is spinning close to 200K RPM and experiences millions of frequencies and pressure waves i would definitely want tial to fix that. I have seen the results of multiple turbo failures in the test cells and they can do some damage when those wheels come off..... i dont know why they would have let them out the door like that?

Not sure about that because they look the same as mine did....

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_IkkYm0be5S4/SxQeNM2DKJI/AAAAAAAABDQ/uOAXFUH60U8/s800/IMG_4372.JPG

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_IkkYm0be5S4/SxQeLuIDK-I/AAAAAAAABDI/E6eAR4Cn4VE/s800/IMG_4370.JPG

Maybe someone else can chime in???

Johnny Bravo
09-30-2010, 01:06 PM
Salts,
Its perfectly fine. Each and every turbo is built and balanced. The custom compressor wheel has a taller profile, compared to lower pressure wheels. You can not increase the shaft length.

julex
09-30-2010, 01:50 PM
mihnea cotet is a good tuner no doubt, people in the USA know him and respect him - but there are plenty of tuners stateside as well .. many tuners with MUCH more experience tuning the tial 605 kit in quesiton. how many has mihnea tuned as of today?

i am very curious to see how mihnea goes about tuning the car especially since he adjusted the wastegate preload to be lower - hope you can hold the boost you are looking to hold

hope you can hold the boost you are looking to hold - I don't see why he couldn't. Proper n75 duty cycle map should take care of it. With default n75 map for tial 605 with 19psi, the map must look retardish... which shows on few graphs we saw to date. Apparent low wastegate duty cycle which is the result of high preload of wastegates.

I'll be lowering my wastegates cracking pressure as well I think. I am not a big fan of all or nothing with default tials and consecutively lack of boost resolution. With 19psi cracking pressure, you won't be controlling wastegates until you are at 19psi+ of boost and therefore that is the lowest available boost level when in high load situation... With less pressure needed to crack the wastegates, you can start using N75 they way it should be used and regain some flexibility if you don't want to go full boost all the time.

julex
09-30-2010, 01:53 PM
Salts,
Its perfectly fine. Each and every turbo is built and balanced. The custom compressor wheel has a taller profile, compared to lower pressure wheels. You can not increase the shaft length.

You pointed out why the shaft is so short but said nothing about it consequences of design. Are we potentially facing a prospect of nut coming off since only few threads are engaged? Or is there more to it, like the back side of nut protrudes into the wheel or something?

Johnny Bravo
09-30-2010, 02:57 PM
The thread engagement is more than sufficient, the torque placed on the shaft and wheel, and the resultant friction will keep the nut on. the use of wicking thread locker, and that the nut is a left hand thread counter to the reaction force of the accelerating turbine shaft is extra. You do not face any increased potential of the compressor wheel and or nut separating. HTH.

The consequence: is people asking questions about thread engagement. But there is nothing wrong with concerned curiosity.

Johnny Bravo
09-30-2010, 03:04 PM
Julex from Ct,
Cracking pressure is relative. On External gates ( Such as the TiAL line ) are only suggested to run no less than 1/2 spring pressure vs Max intended pressure.

This is the same approach used on the internal gating of the 605/650/770.
For example: EPL Sets the 605 gates to 16-17 psi. On a system designed to run 24-32 pounds of boost: this is the correct Gate, spring force, mechanical and pneumatic leverage designed into the hardware.

On the R770, the turbos designed and can hold to 42+ psi. And can be set to crack at ~ 20-21 psi.

I'm glad that you have an opinion and applying critical thinking. This is not outside standard design metrics.

NOTORIOUS VR
09-30-2010, 03:28 PM
External gates

I'm guessing that was a typo... You meant internal gates right?

Johnny Bravo
09-30-2010, 03:32 PM
Peter,
Great build. If you have any questions its best to try to reach me for solutions, I offer this feedback. I am not here much.

Note:
Your Driver-side return coolant plumbing is installed incorrectly ( in regards to design intent )
It needs to be pointed downward, not up and between the turbine housing and manifold.
The lengths of the coolant tubes provided have been designed to work in this manner.

Johnny Bravo
09-30-2010, 03:33 PM
No, I meant external. I need to clarify the point more. Ill edit. Thank you VR.

peterp1072
09-30-2010, 04:04 PM
Peter,
Great build. If you have any questions its best to try to reach me for solutions, I offer this feedback. I am not here much.

Note:
Your Driver-side return coolant plumbing is installed incorrectly ( in regards to design intent )
It needs to be pointed downward, not up and between the turbine housing and manifold.
The lengths of the coolant tubes provided have been designed to work in this manner.

Thanks, I'll pass that on to MRC. I'll keep the posts coming.

Pete

NOTORIOUS VR
09-30-2010, 04:05 PM
No, I meant external. I need to clarify the point more. Ill edit. Thank you VR.

Makes sense now.. I thought you were talking about the 605's :)

peterp1072
10-02-2010, 12:43 PM
Engine now ready to be fitted, Tune will happen towards the end of the week and then Castle combe for a track day on the 9th.
Pipes corrected, Thanks Johnny Bravo[:d]

http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/887480/DSC01016+%5B800x600%5D.jpg
http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/887482/DSC01017+%5B800x600%5D.jpg
http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/887483/DSC01018+%5B800x600%5D.jpg
http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/887484/DSC01019+%5B800x600%5D.jpg

peterp1072
10-04-2010, 03:03 PM
All in - just waiting on black silicon joiners for y pipe.

We should get it ran up to temp, and a couple of oil changes tomorrow, then dyno tomorrow or Wednesday.

http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/889240/SDC10713.jpg

titikaka
10-05-2010, 12:36 AM
thats great.>! looking forward :)

Jason@Addict
10-05-2010, 07:18 AM
All in - just waiting on black silicon joiners for y pipe.

We should get it ran up to temp, and a couple of oil changes tomorrow, then dyno tomorrow or Wednesday.



Can you do us a favor and test boost pressure PRE intercooler also? I'm interested to see how much pressure drop that IC has.

loomx
10-08-2010, 02:07 AM
Results are in :)

Did do more power @ 27psi but was reaching 754nm of toque, so to keep it safe its at 26psi tapering to 24psi at the redline.

http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/891517/peterp+tial+final0001.jpg

535.4 @ the wheels.

Audi_S4
10-08-2010, 05:02 AM
hmm sweet figures with that boost level!

Jason@Addict
10-08-2010, 07:18 AM
So 525whp on pump and 24psi - WOW.

Tony@EPL
10-08-2010, 07:24 AM
So fats times should be in the 2.5-6 range! Cant wait to see logs.

gearhead1186
10-08-2010, 09:31 AM
do you have examples of what kind of power other cars made on that same dyno? stock s4 perhaps?

Bimmerchop
10-08-2010, 10:25 AM
Mihnea said a stock s4 puts down 195-200whp on their dyno

NogaroAvant
10-08-2010, 10:36 AM
That's those manifolds in action ;0) lol great #'s guys

gearhead1186
10-08-2010, 10:45 AM
Mihnea said a stock s4 puts down 195-200whp on their dyno

that sounds right. very impressive numbers. cant wait to see some logs.

shorterthanrich
10-08-2010, 11:28 AM
Holy crap - 525 is no joke!

revhards4
10-08-2010, 11:37 PM
26psi taper to 24psi and 535whp, hmmm..with those exhaust manifolds and considering this is an RS4 engine...I think it's possible. Isn't pump gas in Europe like 98 octane? Nice numbers[up]

Bimmerchop
10-09-2010, 08:01 AM
Yes, but they use a different octane rating system than the US. So their 98 is comparable to our 93. However, they don't have to deal with ethanol being added into the mix

julex
10-09-2010, 09:04 AM
Niiiiice.

However, all that work and no rods forcing you to down tune the car. Too bad you don't have rods, it sounds like you could do quite a bit better if you didn't have to limit the boost across the board.

lbs4
10-09-2010, 09:43 AM
What kind of front mount is that?

titikaka
10-09-2010, 02:44 PM
Niiiiice.

However, all that work and no rods forcing you to down tune the car. Too bad you don't have rods, it sounds like you could do quite a bit better if you didn't have to limit the boost across the board.
.....this is an RS4 not S4 , so the rods are good for 650hp ...

andream88
10-10-2010, 03:04 PM
What kind of front mount is that?

MRC custom FMIC

julex
10-11-2010, 06:20 AM
.....this is an RS4 not S4 , so the rods are good for 650hp ...

They are obviously not THAT confident in them though:

"Did do more power @ 27psi but was reaching 754nm of toque, so to keep it safe its at 26psi tapering to 24psi at the redline."

AudiSportB5S4
10-11-2010, 08:26 AM
Wow that's awesome! I expect another video similar to their gutted car that goes over 200mph. However they mounted that camera, do the same and get some acceleration action!

Sales@RAI
10-11-2010, 10:39 AM
FMIC looks very nice, the whole thing came together well. The Tials are just awesome on the 2.7 cars

Capt. Obvious
10-12-2010, 04:07 PM
Digging that front mount. Looks pretty. [up]

Jason@Addict
10-12-2010, 04:43 PM
Interested in compression and leak-down tests.

Reich
10-12-2010, 06:27 PM
Congratulations with the numbers. You'll cross the UK pretty fast. What's the outside temperature you got over there in these days?

*Blue-Angel*
10-14-2010, 10:37 PM
This is without meth correct?

Audi_S4
12-04-2010, 08:49 AM
Very nice comparison between BW RS6 Hybrids and Tial S605 on the same car with only weeks in between with no further modifications done to the engine...

http://i51.tinypic.com/21do3k6.jpg

Seems to me the BW Turbo's are still the better choice power/lag wise (not talking about the price)

fatezero
12-04-2010, 09:05 AM
This tells us absolutely nothing...where is the boost? What intercoolers? What DP's? Was there Meth?

I can throw up a K04 dyno plot that will beat both of those, but without all the data this means nothing.

Audi_S4
12-04-2010, 09:26 AM
This tells us absolutely nothing...where is the boost? What intercoolers? What DP's? Was there Meth?

I can throw up a K04 dyno plot that will beat both of those, but without all the data this means nothing.

SAME car, SAME mods, Same dyno, DIFFERENT Turbo's and DIFFERENT day ...

Oh yeah and find me a K04 car that makes over 500 wheel !

fatezero
12-04-2010, 10:03 AM
Dude, you need to read. Who cars if it is the same car. There are other factors involved like BOOST for one? Why don't you list the mods on this car instead of throwing up half ass info

Audi_S4
12-04-2010, 10:13 AM
It's all in the OP !

satans child
12-04-2010, 10:52 AM
Dude, you need to read. Who cars if it is the same car. There are other factors involved like BOOST for one? Why don't you list the mods on this car instead of throwing up half ass info

same car belongs to peter now 2 weeks later running rs6 stage 2's... the tials never made it back to the uk in time for the rolling road day at mrs.. so they chucked it together with the borg's on....

Quintin@R.A.I.
12-05-2010, 10:48 PM
This tells us absolutely nothing...where is the boost? What intercoolers? What DP's? Was there Meth?

I can throw up a K04 dyno plot that will beat both of those, but without all the data this means nothing.


SAME car, SAME mods, Same dyno, DIFFERENT Turbo's and DIFFERENT day ...

Oh yeah and find me a K04 car that makes over 500 wheel !


Dude, you need to read. Who cars if it is the same car. There are other factors involved like BOOST for one? Why don't you list the mods on this car instead of throwing up half ass info


It's all in the OP !

so apparently he's the one who didn't read...lol

Audi_S4
12-06-2010, 03:51 AM
I wasn't gonna say it but you did it for me...

http://i51.tinypic.com/oh6983.jpg

fatezero
12-06-2010, 08:07 AM
Really? So please show the boost plot for the above dyno? Because if it's in the OP, I'm missing it.

fatezero
12-06-2010, 10:24 AM
SAME car, SAME mods, Same dyno, DIFFERENT Turbo's and DIFFERENT day ...

Oh yeah and find me a K04 car that makes over 500 wheel !

So Pete on the 605's was only running 24 psi or 1.6 bar and on the RS6's he is running 1.9 bar or 27-28 psi... yeah, that's really comparing apples to apples. Not to mention, it was obvious Pete was having some issues with his turbos, right?

Nice try though...

http://audisrs.com/ftopic17401-0-asc-255.php

Audi_S4
12-06-2010, 10:53 AM
So Pete on the 605's was only running 24 psi or 1.6 bar and on the RS6's he is running 1.9 bar or 27-28 psi... yeah, that's really comparing apples to apples. Not to mention, it was obvious Pete was having some issues with his turbos, right?

Nice try though...

http://audisrs.com/ftopic17401-0-asc-255.php

And... You could have allready known all this IF you had read everything before telling me to read [;)]

Quintin@R.A.I.
12-06-2010, 11:21 AM
And... You could have allready known all this IF you had read everything before telling me to read [;)]

The prosecution rest.

fatezero
12-06-2010, 11:49 AM
You two are a joke...you post up a Dyno just saying "seems to me the BW Turbo's are still the better choice power/lag wise (not talking about the price)" insinuating that RS6's perform better than 605's...and happen to leave out a fine detail that the RS6's are boosting more than the Tials. Not to mention the particular Tials could have possibly had an issue so they might not even be performing well.

So, you expect me to read all 33 pages of a post on another forum just so I can understand your half ass'ed post of a Dyno comparing apples to oranges? ok guy

...and Quintin@RAI, I have no idea why you are being such a smart ass in this thread when you have no involvement here...but it is a poor reflection on your company.

Audi_S4
12-06-2010, 02:01 PM
Just chill , It's the internet remember... And as you Quote me it seemed to ME that the BW Turbo's still stand there ground against todays popular and rising turbo choices!