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viziers
05-17-2010, 01:05 PM
I'm not sure if it will work with ours but hey atleast one is ofically available...

C/P


http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?4889704-USP-Presents-the-FSI-Low-Pressure-fuel-solution-for-you-High-Horsepower-Guys!


Introduction:
As many of you know the fuel system for the 2.0T FSI platform is composed of two separate systems, the high pressure system and the low pressure system. While, the limitations of high pressure fuel delivery have been eliminated by products such as the APR upgraded rail pump, the low pressure system has been ignored.
Through our testing we were able to determine that the low pressure fuel system is nearly maxed out when producing around 350whp, running an a/f ratio between 11.0:1 – 11.5:1. This limitation is a result of the in-tank fuel pump being maxed out. By replacing the factory in-tank fuel pump with an APR in-tank fuel pump, the low pressure fuel system sits on its limits at around 400whp, while still maintaining the same a/f ratio mentioned above.
Developing a low pressure fuel system to work properly with the complicated components and electronics of the 2.0T FSI was no easy task. The in-tank fuel pump that runs the FSI does not function like a traditional fuel pump. Meaning, the fuel pump does not always receive a full 12volt signal while the car is running like a traditional fuel pump does. Instead, the ECM controls the fuel pump through a Pulse-Width Modulated signal (PWM). This quickly ruled out the ability to add an inline fuel pump. Other options were explored but, adding a secondary in-tank fuel pump was the end result.

Function:
The main purpose of the USP Motorsports auxiliary fuel system is to provide enough fuel flow to the high pressure fuel pump to support 400+ horsepower safely. This was done by incorporating a secondary in-tank fuel pump that alone can support 600 horsepower. However, incorporating a secondary in-tank fuel pump by itself will not function properly as the FSI low pressure fuel system is return-less. To combat this issue USP Motorsports created a load-based fuel pump controller. The result is the secondary fuel pump only being turned on when it is needed.
This system is estimated to be good for around 700 wheel horsepower and is the same system used on our in-house MK5 GTI which produces 605whp.

What is included:
• High flow in-tank fuel pump
• Load-based fuel pump controller
• Preassembled fuel lines
• OEM Crimp style clamps
• Fuel distribution block
• Fuel Tank bulkhead assembly
• All wires, terminals, and connectors
•Detailed instructions
http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt89/vizierspty/usp_lpfs_bagged.jpg

FAQs

What does this system do?
This system picks up where the factory low pressure fuel system left off. It provides the high pressure fuel pump with the needed fuel to achieve a high horsepower FSI motor.

How does this system work?
Your factory low pressure fuel system stays intact. The USP fuel system is added within the fuel tank to supplement the factory pump. The pump works off a load based controller so the added fuel is supplied only when it is needed.

How much power can this system handle?
This system has been tested on our in house GTI to 605whp and based on flow calculations should be good for 700whp.

How long does installation take?
Installation can be performed in around 2 hours.

I see other FSI cars making around 400whp without this, how is that possible?
There are a few ways. One way is that the car is running a dangerously high air fuel ratio. We have seen this on several local customers’ cars. We have seen a/f ratios as lean as 13:1 on pump gas under full boost. This is extremely dangerous and robs horsepower from the FSI motor. The second way is that they are simply making up the lack of fuel by using methanol injection. This can be extremely dangerous as well because most kits do not have a failsafe if one of the many components in the methanol kits stops functioning.

I am located outside the U.S., how do I place my order?
Please email me at [email protected] so I can provide a shipping quote.

I have a question, how can I get an answer?
Feel free to email me at [email protected]

Pricing and order information:

Retail pricing is $525
Vortex special $425 shipped within the U.S.
Add APR in-tank fuel pump $199
Click here to order your low pressure fuel pump kit for $425 shipped. Be sure to use coupon code “lean-is-mean” at checkout.






vizi

jacx920
05-17-2010, 01:46 PM
sweet? is that it? our lpfp problem is solved?

eastwick897
05-17-2010, 01:51 PM
Sounds good... Now I wonder if it actually works....

viziers
05-17-2010, 01:56 PM
Sounds good... Now I wonder if it actually works....

I have to take some pics tonight of the AWD fuel system for Gregg to compare the 2 systems and to make any adjustments if needed.


vizi

RedV
05-17-2010, 02:27 PM
I think the LpFs problem was solved months ago. Here in Greece , we certaintly are doing things w/o this system... You should check out the 2.5turbo from the TTRS if you want to find the solution ;)

slimmj0k3r
05-17-2010, 02:34 PM
months ago when i spoke to USP, Chris said the system was not compatible with our A4s

Gregg@USP
05-17-2010, 03:29 PM
months ago when i spoke to USP, Chris said the system was not compatible with our A4s

we are changing around the system so that it will fit the B7 platform

Gregg@USP
05-17-2010, 03:34 PM
Here it is in action

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fG9CYzCO9e0&feature=player_embedded

viziers
05-17-2010, 04:35 PM
Great vid Gregg, Will try to email you those pics tonight when I get home.. It will be about 10pm... "fingers crossed"


vizi

TFSI
05-17-2010, 09:33 PM
When will this be available for our cars?

viziers
05-18-2010, 06:18 AM
Hopefully soon.. depends on how busy they are.


vizi

jimrobbington
05-18-2010, 07:25 AM
Looks Damn promising! I can't wait to see 600 hp A4s out there!

viziers
05-18-2010, 07:43 AM
Looks Damn promising! I can't wait to see 600 hp A4s out there!

Assuming you mean CHP or WHP???

If its crank thats what i'm shooting for.. :-)


vizi

Gregg@USP
05-18-2010, 07:56 AM
as soon as I get some pics of the inside the fuel tank it should be ready shortly.

Sal_B7
05-18-2010, 11:40 AM
oh wow, that looks pretty sweet!

So APR has an actual "in-tank" pump?? Pics??

Gregg@USP
05-18-2010, 11:55 AM
oh wow, that looks pretty sweet!

So APR has an actual "in-tank" pump?? Pics??

yes, if you have a GTI, GLI or FWD A3 or TT they do. Not for the B7

Sal_B7
05-18-2010, 11:57 AM
^^oh ok. Gotcha! Thanks for the quick reply.

viziers
06-13-2010, 06:39 AM
Bump for the B7 guys hoping that USP doesn't forget about us..


vizi

diggs
06-26-2010, 08:11 AM
thats the best thing ive ever heard of in my life.................... more info. please when avail.

FLYINGLEGGS
06-27-2010, 02:09 AM
Bump. Complete us a kit please!
Is APR participating in this for the B7?

Gregg@USP
06-27-2010, 02:46 PM
Bump. Complete us a kit please!
Is APR participating in this for the B7?

I am finishing up the prototype so I can test it on a car. APR is not participating in this project with us.

viziers
07-15-2010, 07:05 AM
Gregg, Any progress on this for us????



vizi

schizzy
07-15-2010, 07:14 AM
hmm never saw this but i need it i keep getting a cel for this