Attention to anyone that upgraded to S4 rotors with A4 calipers and S4 carrier [Archive]

VSO

02-17-2010, 06:41 PM

The S4 rotor on my friends car is barely clearing the caliper. The pad sits correctly on the disc so I suspect it isnt a carrier problem.
So I think this means the B7 caliper is not the same as B6/7 S4s. [headbang]

http://members.shaw.ca/landforth/carriers/DSC_0008.jpg
http://members.shaw.ca/landforth/carriers/DSC_0009.jpg

audimeister

02-17-2010, 06:48 PM

Mine were like that too. Five minutes per side with a dremmel and all is fine.

quattrosaint

02-17-2010, 06:52 PM

you need s4 carriers to do it right(calipers are the same). Any dearlership will have them. ECS has them but I dont think they sell them seperately.

audimeister

02-17-2010, 06:58 PM

you need s4 carriers to do it right. Any dearlership will have them. ECS has them but I dont think they sell them seperately.

That was with S4 carriers. Some A4 calipers have a tighter braces that wrap more tightly around the 320mm rotors. When you move them out to 345mm rotors with the S4 carriers, they drag lightly on the outside of the rotors.

Without S4 carriers, there would be no way to assemble as pictured.

psiaddict85

02-17-2010, 07:05 PM

i run that setup and mine clear just fine. Switching to the 6 piston cayennes once it gets warmer.

with the 19" OZ SL

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k109/uatuner/DSC02409.jpg

with the winter wheels

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k109/uatuner/car001.jpg

quattrosaint

02-17-2010, 07:09 PM

i run that setup and mine clear just fine. Switching to the 6 piston cayennes once it gets warmer.

Well worth the upgrade to the 6 piston, thats the only upgrade I could not bring myself to sell lol.

VSO

02-17-2010, 07:18 PM

Mine were like that too. Five minutes per side with a dremmel and all is fine.

The caliper is looking pretty thin there already. Dremel really?

VSO

02-17-2010, 07:20 PM

i run that setup and mine clear just fine. Switching to the 6 piston cayennes once it gets warmer.

Are you using the OEM carrier or the ECS carrier?

audimeister

02-17-2010, 07:36 PM

Are you using the OEM carrier or the ECS carrier?

I tried both on mine, same result.

audimeister

02-17-2010, 07:38 PM

The caliper is looking pretty thin there already. Dremel really?

Is doesn't take much. Also, when you are torquing the bolts, wedge a screwdriver between the rotor and caliper to use any slack in the connection to your advantage.

Quattro

02-17-2010, 07:57 PM

you need s4 carriers + rotors and can use a4 caliper.

VSO

02-17-2010, 09:31 PM

Is doesn't take much. Also, when you are torquing the bolts, wedge a screwdriver between the rotor and caliper to use any slack in the connection to your advantage.

Could you show me a pic of how the clearance looks now on your car?

positiv_rate

02-18-2010, 04:49 AM

Mine did the same thing... a little bit of Dremmel action like audimeister said, and it went away after a couple of days of "spirited" braking.

Yeah, BBK is always on my mind... but for now I guess good pads & fresh fluid will help me extract the most of my OEM setup. I'll know for sure this summer: pretty busy lapping season ahead!![drive]

Anyone experienced these?:

http://www.stoptech.com/Products/trophy.shtml

Carry on!

audimeister

02-18-2010, 05:28 AM

Could you show me a pic of how the clearance looks now on your car?

Will do when I get my car back. It's been at the dealer for a week and a half for its last visit before the warranty expires...

MVB

02-18-2010, 07:06 AM

Slightly off topic, but is the upgrade to the S4 rotors and carriers noticeable, is it worth it?

I have been thinking about doing this, but I wanted to manage my expectations.

audimeister

02-18-2010, 09:29 AM

Slightly off topic, but is the upgrade to the S4 rotors and carriers noticeable, is it worth it?

I have been thinking about doing this, but I wanted to manage my expectations.

Feels exactly like stock until you go gonzo abusive. Then they take noticably longer to fade.

VSO

02-21-2010, 04:37 PM

Will do when I get my car back. It's been at the dealer for a week and a half for its last visit before the warranty expires...

Thanks ECS has been kind enough to send me another set of carriers to try.

psiaddict85

02-21-2010, 07:08 PM

just checked mine and I have a good 4-5mm there and the carrier is shaped completely different.

VSO

03-09-2010, 06:49 PM

Will do when I get my car back. It's been at the dealer for a week and a half for its last visit before the warranty expires...

Got your car back yet?

VSO

03-09-2010, 06:50 PM

just checked mine and I have a good 4-5mm there and the carrier is shaped completely different.

Are you using an OEM rotor or aftermarket?

psiaddict85

03-09-2010, 07:57 PM

Are you using an OEM rotor or aftermarket?

OEM S4 carriers and OEM S4 rotors. I'll take a pic for you tomorrow. Also, the whole setup will be for sale once the Cayennes are on if anyone's interested.

audimeister

03-09-2010, 07:58 PM

Here you go. Car is really dirty. Rotors are oem S4. Carriers are ecs, but I had oem ones on before with same results (long story.)

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4026/4420965727_e1102c0cf7_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2718/4421731356_de2544c272_b.jpg

psiaddict85

03-09-2010, 08:01 PM

^^^ WOW mine looks nothing like that! ^^^

DoThisMyWay

03-09-2010, 09:02 PM

Mine were like that too. Five minutes per side with a dremmel and all is fine.

I did the same. Both ECS and OEM carriers left the caliper sitting on the rotor.

Mister W

08-16-2012, 11:14 AM

Bringing back from the dead, but still a lot of confusion with these carrier.
It seem's 06 (maybe before 5/29/06 as ECS mention) http://www.ecstuning.com/Audi-B7_S4--V8/Braking/Caliper/Front/ES437454/
have the B6 caliper, which are a bit smaller. Then we might have better luck with the B6 S4 caliper carrier?http://www.ecstuning.com/Audi-B6_S4--V8/Braking/Caliper/ES6503/
To those who did that upgrade, can you post your caliper Part #, car year and if you had any clearance issue?
thx

slvrb7

08-17-2012, 09:43 AM

You are correct in 06 it was a split year between carriers i believe most go with the b7 carriers

Mister W

08-17-2012, 10:09 AM

And some of them have clearance issues. As soon as my GF stop taking my car, i'll check my caliper part number and compare with B6 or B7 caliper.
For now those are the carrier part number i found.
8E0615125C OEM for B7 S4 (after production date of 5/29/06)
1K0615125B OEM for B6 S4
1K0615125BX Schwaben from B7 oem big brake upgrade

So if you guys know what carriers you installed, what year is your car and if you had clearance issues, please share so we get straight with that upgrade.
thx

slvrb7

08-17-2012, 10:22 AM

some of the carrier part numbers the only difference was the color some are black and some are cast gray.

jrtrainor

08-17-2012, 11:21 AM

I used the ecs upgrade kit to get to s4 brakes all around and up front i had clearance issues. Several threads talking about it. IT took 15 minutes and a grinder to fix the problem. Pain in the ass but worth it once its fixed.

slvrb7

08-17-2012, 12:15 PM

I think the main question is who has used oem brackets with no problems and what year brackets were they were they a b6 or b7 bracket. so before the split in 06 or after the split in 06.

chrislane31

08-17-2012, 01:54 PM

I had no issues with my OEM carriers and they were 1K0615125B

DRAKLORE

08-17-2012, 02:26 PM

Im running S4 rear rotors with modified B7 A4 carriers/Calipers. Details are in my build thread somewhere

ShadowGLI

08-17-2012, 02:31 PM

glad this was bumped, I was going to do this upgrade when my current pads are dead. didn't see any clearance issue threads before this. thanks for sharing and updating everyone.

slvrb7

08-19-2012, 03:18 PM

I had no issues with my OEM carriers and they were 1K0615125B
that part number is for an a6 carrier for a 347mm rotor thats why you had no issues.

slvrb7

08-19-2012, 03:22 PM

ok it also works for the 2005 3.0 a4 and 2006 s4.

slvrb7

08-19-2012, 03:29 PM

davvinchi

08-19-2012, 03:38 PM

Can this upgrade be run with the stock 17"s or do I have to change up to an 18" to make this fit?

Mister W

08-19-2012, 04:15 PM

so that is the part number before the split in 06 so if anyone else is running the same part # with no issues please post and for those who want to go i would recommend going with the 1K0615125B and for the purpose of science i will try and see what results i get.

Great! let us know the result.

Can this upgrade be run with the stock 17"s or do I have to change up to an 18" to make this fit?
Yes, i've asked before, S4 brake fit OEM 17" wheels.

slvrb7

08-19-2012, 04:43 PM

will do it will just depend on how quick genuineaudiparts.com can get them to me

chrislane31

08-19-2012, 04:58 PM

I ran 3 sets of oem 17" wheels and they all cleared the brakes.

slvrb7

08-27-2012, 03:16 PM

Parts are on order hopefully install this weekend ill let u know if clearance is not an issue going with 1k0615125b

Mister W

08-27-2012, 05:14 PM

Parts are on order hopefully install this weekend ill let u know if clearance is not an issue going with 1k0615125b
Cant wait. I'm waiting for your review before ordering.
But i see that you have a 2008, and might not have the same caliper as me (2006). With the 2007 +, i believe the other part number fits. Since 1k0615125b is for 347mm disc, you should have no problem.
Your review with part number will surely help the DIY for this mod. If you can see your caliper part number, let us know as well.
thx

Existentialist

08-28-2012, 05:59 AM

I'm dealing with the fitment issues now. I received the carriers with ECS's kit and they caused the caliper to rub against the rotors. ECS thought I had received the wrong carriers so they sent out carriers 1K0615125BX (for 347mm rotors). These were the exact same as what originally came with the kit and didn't fit either.

Grinding the caliper down worked to get the rotors not to rub while moving, but under braking they still rub. I'm sure I could grind out more of the caliper, but it's so thin already that both myself and my shop were not comfortable taking any more off.

ECS's customer service has been great with getting me the parts and now in the refund throughout all of this. They said that they are going to look in to it further and do some test fitting with my parts when they get them back.

chrislane31

08-28-2012, 06:06 AM

Did you order the Schnabel or oem carriers?

JPT

08-28-2012, 06:20 AM

Why not find a local machine shop, and have them machine some of the disc off to reduce the diameter? It can't be too much to have that done.

Existentialist

08-28-2012, 07:13 AM

Did you order the Schnabel or oem carriers?

They were Schwaben carriers. I'm confident there are identical to OEM and it's the calipers causing the fitment issue. There are other threads about this topic out there where people tried OEM and the Schwaben carriers and had the same result.

Why not find a local machine shop, and have them machine some of the disc off to reduce the diameter? It can't be too much to have that done.

The plain rotor kit came with rotors that were balanced by removing material from an area on the edge of the rotor. You risk taking the rotors out of balance but this could be another option.

JPT

08-28-2012, 07:20 AM

The plain rotor kit came with rotors that were balanced by removing material from an area on the edge of the rotor. You risk taking the rotors out of balance but this could be another option.

Any good local machine shop, could do this and keep it balanced.

Mister W

08-28-2012, 09:03 AM

slvrb7

08-29-2012, 09:21 PM

still waiting on the parts hopefully ill get a call tomorrow... also did everyone who has done their brakes recently replace the caliper bolts as recommended or just but the same bolts back on? Im trying to think if i should go with fresh hardware or just slap the old ones back on and tighten more.

slvrb7

08-29-2012, 09:24 PM

i used the original hardware for the rears and i think they are fine haven't checked since installing last weekend. Most normal vehicles you use the same hardware but haynes and bentley call for new hardware and to lube the pins.

slvrb7

09-14-2012, 02:44 PM

Finally got the parts today and will start the project I will be changing to gstop lines as well if anyone is local here in south OC CA and can help it would be much apreciated also beer would be supplied.

Mister W

09-16-2012, 09:36 PM

Sooooo! Are we there yet? ;)
Dont forget to kept us informed.

mcpcartier

09-17-2012, 03:28 AM

How did it go?

I should have got your contact info so I could have swung by and slowed you down (I mean help a little). Had big plans for the weekend but they fell through so I did an oil change in the sweltering heat. Hit 112 on Saturday....sure it was the same in Ladera, only a few miles away.

slvrb7

09-17-2012, 06:06 PM

Yeah about that heat i didnt get it done or started for that much some plans came up and the wife wouldn't let me work on the car so it looks like im starting tonight and hopefully finishing wed.

Mister W

09-23-2012, 07:28 PM

So, did the wife let you work on important things ;).
Waiting for your review to order some.

Envoyé depuis mon Galaxy Nexus avec Tapatalk

slvrb7

09-23-2012, 08:14 PM

Ok so I have one side off so far hopefully ill have pics for you tomorrow I started today finally

slvrb7

09-24-2012, 09:03 PM

Bad news guys still a little bit of rubbing but since carbotech is retarded and sent me pads without backings making it impossible to put the cal clip back on i can't give an accurate rubbing amount sorry guys.

Mister W

09-25-2012, 01:54 PM

I'm still searching on Etka an on the Web. I wonder if it could be related to the brake PR number. I have 1LA , some have 1LJ. With my model on Etka, it says that i have caliper # 4F0615123 (cant search with my VIN, it wont allow me).
In the 2006 S4, they split the year in two with the VIN numbers.
I've search on Jim Ellis with my caliper number and brake PR and found another carrier number that they say fits a 2006 S4 and A4 Avant. But i'm not sure if it really fits 345-347mm disc. If someone have better knowledge of this, it could help. that new carrier # is 4F0615125.
thx

Mister W

10-03-2012, 09:09 PM

So SLVRB7, any updates, picture, reviews?
thanx

slvrb7

10-04-2012, 12:19 AM

Yeah brakes installed finally waited for carbotech to get me the right ones but finally. I will post soon.

slvrb7

10-04-2012, 08:31 AM

They look good with the 17s and fit fine I didn't grind enough of the driver side caliper so it rubs a little during hard braking also you can feel the extra weight its crazy

slvrb7

10-04-2012, 08:34 AM

The only downfall is its pretty time consuming when all is said and done

slvrb7

10-11-2012, 02:34 PM

http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/543/medium/IMAG0226.jpg finally a pic

slvrb7

10-11-2012, 02:35 PM

as you can see fits stock 17s no problem

Mister W

10-11-2012, 04:49 PM

I took my chance today and ordered the shwaben ones 1k0615125bx, as i have a 2006, i probably need the B6 S4 carriers. Like chrislane and another guy on the first page didn't had grinding issues and they have 2006, i'll give it a shot.
We'll see in two weeks.

slvrb7

10-11-2012, 06:55 PM

i have the 06 carriers same part number chris said and still had to grind some down i think its in the cal part number. but it wasnt much grinding and when all was said and done well it looks sick.

slvrb7

10-11-2012, 06:57 PM

havent noticed an improvement yet need to flush and add my new lines just had hand surgery so im out for a little while im gonna take to my tuner and see how much he would charge.

Mister W

11-15-2012, 05:39 AM

Well, i finally got time to install front brake disc and carriers.
I ordered these from ecs 1K0615125BX Schwaben , since i have an early 2006 avant. i have stoptech disc. I didnt find a part number on my calipers, but you can see a number on one pic.
So the verdict is that it rub [=(]. I can turn the disc by hand, it rub so barely that it almost dont remove the paint from the disc. I guess i wont have to dremel, it will do by itself.
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w237/MisterW5/discbrakea42.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w237/MisterW5/discbrakea41.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w237/MisterW5/discbrakea45.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w237/MisterW5/discbrakea43.jpg

Sly Raskal

11-15-2012, 08:26 AM

No offense to you Mister W, but I don't understand why people keep buying the Schwaben carriers if they are known to rub and require modification. Don't the OEM S4 Carriers require no modification?

AudiTFSI3o3

11-15-2012, 09:03 AM

No offense to you Mister W, but I don't understand why people keep buying the Schwaben carriers if they are known to rub and require modification. Don't the OEM S4 Carriers require no modification?

x2. OEM carrier have NO problems. Schwaben will most likely always need modification to fit

Mister W

11-15-2012, 09:50 AM

IMO, the problem is not the carrier. After many research, some people have problem with the schwaben and they tried OEM after and get the same issue. The schwaben is a B6 S4 carrier, the other part number is a B7 S4 carrier. Audi split 2006 in two, so part of us seem to have a different caliper (the B7 one) that wrap closer on the disc. Early 2006 still had some B6 caliper. Not confirmed by audi, just what i concluded.
On the first page you see people with problems and some that have clearance. Maybe it's the disc manufacturer that make them 1-2 mm different than other,maybe it's the hub mounting points that are different, i cant say. But show me the oem versus the schwaben to prove me they are different , and that schwaben issue will be close, but i doubt ECS didn't already checked that.
But for what that i conclude, i have more chance that the schwaben fits on my car that the B7 ones. Plus, it's hard and costly to me to ship them back since i'm in canada, and paying 90$ for the schwaben instead of the doublefor the oem make's the try easier.
By keeping this thread alive, i was hoping for people that have done this mod to participate and give the carrier part number they have , the car year and other infos, if they rub or not with pictures.
There is some responses, but it lack infos.
I would have wish that this mod was clear once in for all, because searching for answers brought me no where .
I'll love to try the oem one, but too costly. I'm already stuck with B8 S4 carriers that was a buying mistake and trying to sell them.

b6onboost

11-15-2012, 09:58 AM

FWIW...I bought the S4 upgrade kit (Carriers and Rotors) from ECS. Bolted right up with my B7 A4 calipers, no clearance issues.

slvrb7

11-15-2012, 02:27 PM

i bought oem and still had issues could be the caliper itself being different but i only had to do some minute grinding o well glad to see you finally got them on its unfortunate that i have to sell my car now

Charles.waite

11-15-2012, 03:03 PM

vwnobby

11-15-2012, 05:31 PM

I'm fitting OEM B6 S4 brakes on my B6 this weekend. I think the problem with this doesn't lie with the carriers or calipers, but rather the rotors.

Theres a VERY easy way to put this whole issue to rest. It involves a tape measure...

I have a feeling you're right. I did the upgrade, used OEM calipers, S4 carriers and OEM rotors and had no clearance issues.

Mister W

11-15-2012, 05:57 PM

wagonlove

12-28-2012, 10:56 PM

That could be the problem. 345 mm of brake pad surface vs 345 mm disc diameter is different. I'll mesure mine tomorrow.
One thing too, it seem that my stoptech disc are not perfectly centered. When i turn then, they scrape on one side only. I loosed the small screw and i could feel there is an half to 1 mm play. But it's hard to center them.
For sure, i did felt a difference in braking, but the most difference is in rotation weight. i can feel it when i'm slaloming on the road.

I'm in the middle of this now - rotors and calipers rubbing badly and its not driveable - took to the shop b/c I thought I had messed something up. I'll get the part numbers tomorrow if I can find them all my details are:
Car: Split year 2005.5 B7 A4 Avant 2.0T Quattro MT (Production date = 12/26/2004)
Caliper Carriers: Schwaben carriers (gold ones from ECS) = Part # 1K0615125BX
Calipers: OEM 2005.5 A4 calipers.....sorry could find part number (production date = 12/26/04 which may be why my calipers are too shallow and not a direct swap with S4 rotors)
Rotors: Adams S4 front rotors (345x30mm)
Pads: EBC Redstuff B7 S4 fitment part # DP31495C
Dust Shields: Audi OEM B7 S4 dust shields (I know I didn't need to but I wanted to do it right)

slvrb7

12-29-2012, 11:00 AM

i didn't even mess with the dust shields really no need and used oem blank discs like i post before did some grinding and had no issues

wagonlove

12-29-2012, 07:38 PM

i didn't even mess with the dust shields really no need and used oem blank discs like i post before did some grinding and had no issues
Had a shop grind down the calipers on mine and as of 24 hrs later they work. I'll update if things change - the consensus I have come to as well as a few others is that early year B7's such as those which are the 2005.5 split year and some from early 2006 (possibly before 6/04) may have a shallower caliper. Some guys have stated the early 2005/2006 B7 may have used B6 calipers which Audi will not confirm - just a theory.