A4 vs CTS-V

[greensto]

Toyed around with a CTS-V from a dead stop today on a closed road. Very even start and a great race. I'm not sure of the year of the caddy though (400hp older version or 556hp new version). I got ahead sooner because of I the cts-v's wheel spin and stayed infront until 65mph and then he pulled on me. He had 1 passenger and I was by myself. Maybe he was just a bad driver (I am almost sure they are all manual). Just wanted to share.

[MCT9891]

Toyed around with a CTS-V from a dead stop today on a closed road. Very even start and a great race. I'm not sure of the year of the caddy though (400hp older version or 556hp new version). I got ahead sooner because of I the cts-v's wheel spin and stayed infront until 65mph and then he pulled on me. He had 1 passenger and I was by myself. Maybe he was just a bad driver (I am almost sure they are all manual). Just wanted to share.

nice man, as much as we say our cars are slow... once you get stage 2, wether it be giac, revo or apr... our cars are no joke.
And imo better looking than the CTS-V =]

[a408]

those cars definately have some balls

[GypsySmash]

sounds like a cool race
CTS-V's are pretty sweet imo

[Hyphy]

yeah you should of walked him till 55- (Quattro)

[s6sputnik]

Friend of mine has the 550 hp version and there is no A4 that I have ever been near that will touch it!

[B72.0T]

Nice, thats always fun =D

[AudiWxGuy]

I call bull shit. He wasn't racing you. Those cars are very fast. Here is a list of CTS-V drag times. Even a 2005 runs an 11.xx!

http://www.dragtimes.com/Cadillac--CTS-V-Drag-Racing.html

...and if it's a 2009, the 0-60 time is 3.9 seconds...Even a chipped A4 is 5 at the very fastest.

...2005 CTS-V does 0-60 in "under 5" according to caddy.


When are you guys going to come to the realization that A4's, unless BT'd ARE NOT FAST! Quick... yes. Fast.. NO!

[MCT9891]

It's plausible. RWD + lots of power + shit driver = shit launch.
Quattro + decent power + shit driver = great launch regardless.

(not saying OP is a shit driver)

[colt45]

it must have been the older CTS-V. a new one would have walked all over you.

[titanium3.2]

I agree with AudiWxGuy, that car was designed to compete with M5 class cars, this thread smells funny

[brownishwater]

It was definitely not a new one.


http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt139/jpfeiffer01/09_ctsv_frtright.jpg

0-6 in 3.9

[SEXICÄN]

for the record. I raced an older Vette. Fully body kit, loud ad F exhaust and just sounded mean!!!

So there was a bit of rain on the ground and we both were at a dead stop. Lights turns green, and BAM, i'm off, and as i pull away, all i hear is wheel spin! OH WELL, I STILL WON!!!

[vdubjetta02]

sorry A4's (unless stage 3) do not have a prayer in hell against a V-series.... not possible at all

[vdubjetta02]

nice man, as much as we say our cars are slow... once you get stage 2, wether it be giac, revo or apr... our cars are no joke.
And imo better looking than the CTS-V =]

have you ever driven a car with over 300 WHP? if so you would realize that a stage 2 A4 is a pretty slow car (in the world of sports cars)

- to me a stage 2 STI or stage 2 EVO (about 360 Crank HP) is when the word "fast" finally starts to come along

[elwigglero]

I've been in a 1st gen v series and have a stage 2+ a4... He wasn't racing you, or at least wasn't full throttle. They are much much much faster than a chipped a4.

[Kevin2772]

I have to agree with everyone here stating he wasnt even trying. Not a chance!

[jimrobbington]

OR, there is something wrong with the CTS dude's car, and he doesn't realize it?

[scoobycarolan]

Maybe if he had 2 flat tires and it was my grandma driving. I'd sell my soul for one. American muscle + euro looks = no brainer

[audimeister]

Maybe wasn't CTS-V? I would believe a V6.

[WasGTIguy]

Well to play devils advocate here. The road could have been sandy or wet. Its not a sticky race track, where the CTS-V gets the 3.9sec 0-60. Real world is very different. If, just if the Caddy was spinning away first gear and a bit of second. The A4 could have already been 50 or so MPH. When the caddy reels in him, he passed 60.

Pretty believable to me really. Like I said, its the real world not a prepped track

[MCT9891]

have you ever driven a car with over 300 WHP? if so you would realize that a stage 2 A4 is a pretty slow car (in the world of sports cars)

- to me a stage 2 STI or stage 2 EVO (about 360 Crank HP) is when the word "fast" finally starts to come along

Yes I've been in a 360 awhp evo. and as you can see i never used the word "fast" so dont know why you quoted it.
Anyway, I didn't say our cars are faster than a CTS-V, but given weather conditions, our cars wouldn't have a problem
pulling on a big v8 rwd from a dig. (obviously they'd pull on us from a roll)

That being said, I'll give $100 to anyone who can really get a 3.9 0-60 in a cts-v in normal street conditions without slicks lol,
It's not gonna happen.
edit: haha sorry wasgtiguy beat me to that second part

[outlaw77]

I almost bought the 07 CTS V and I can tell you it smokes the A4 hands down.

[A4_Eyez]

I don't think the OP said otherwise to the fact that the CTS-V is faster. I think he was just sharing his experience today.

[A4B7Quattro]

my brother has the 400 HP version and i take him until about 45 when im driving the cts and hes driving my a4, when hes driving the cts i usually keep him until about 60. hes a bad driver hah

[SEXICÄN]

wait please correct yourself. You said YOU take him until 45 when YOUR driving the CTS and he is in your audi, but when your diving your A4 you take him till 60?

HOW does that make any sense....

So your saying when you drive the CTS the Audi will pull on you after 45mph????

[Insane_Audi]

^lol...he fucked that one up

[greensto]

Wow so much disbelief. I wouldn't just make up a story for fun or to make our cars better than they actually are. I already mentioned that the guy had a lot of wheel spin off the line and blew past me around 65mph, but I WAS ahead of him when I hit 60mph. Not lying here, but obviously you are free to think whatever you'd like. I wasn't racing the Stig mind you lol. PS I have a tiptronic.

[Insane_Audi]

i love how these threads all make arguments..the trailblazer ss thread, the cts-v thread, the s4 thread

theres so many variables, someone cant just simply say its not possible because no one was with him..like i said, there are so many variables

[WasGTIguy]

Wow so much disbelief. I wouldn't just make up a story for fun or to make our cars better than they actually are. I already mentioned that the guy had a lot of wheel spin off the line and blew past me around 65mph, but I WAS ahead of him when I hit 60mph. Not lying here, but obviously you are free to think whatever you'd like. I wasn't racing the Stig mind you lol. PS I have a tiptronic.

I believe you. Some members here seem to think that every CTS-V owner will have perfect launches on hot sticky asphalt. People, the racetrack or skidpad is not what you'll get on the oil slicked, dusty, cold, cracked roads we drive on. I have out done a B7 RS4. He didnt know I wanted to go. But since I launched and he didnt, I remained in the lead until the top of second when he literally flew by me.

[greensto]

Of course 8-cylinder cars will kill us on the highways, but on average roads from a stop... we surprise the faster cars off the line that can't put the power down. That was the point of my post and just to pique some curiosity. Too many people on AZ like to bash. It's not like I'm 'Enzoballin' anyone here lol

[toaster]

i believe your story...but like with most other comparison threads:

if an a4 races a blankity blank, and nobody else is there to see it...

does anyone care?

[greensto]

I enjoy reading how cars compare in the real world... so yes?

[elwigglero]

I have out done a B7 RS4. He didnt know I wanted to go.

So, you "raced" a guy who didn't know that he was in a race. That's probably what happened here. What's the dispute?

[Insane_Audi]

my car takes most bicycles, and i can hang with scooters from a dig..but once they hit powerband, no fucking chance

[WasGTIguy]

So, you "raced" a guy who didn't know that he was in a race. That's probably what happened here. What's the dispute?


When he saw me launch, he got floored it. But couldn't reel me in until the top of second 110km/h. I dont find the op's story unbelievable which is why I gave my example

[wootwoot]

So many buyers of powerful cars like these don't know how to launch. Why get good at launches when you have a 400+ hp v8?

[A4B7Quattro]

wait please correct yourself. You said YOU take him until 45 when YOUR driving the CTS and he is in your audi, but when your diving your A4 you take him till 60?

HOW does that make any sense....

So your saying when you drive the CTS the Audi will pull on you after 45mph????

haha yea i typed it wrong, the audi takes the cts until 45 and then the cts smokes it

[Koby]

There was zero chance he was racing you.

[Tanner]

Been in a CTS-V and those things are damn fast. He was playing, not racing.

[JRMSLINEA4]

There was zero chance he was racing you.Finally someone with a brain.

[WasGTIguy]

Finally someone with a brain.

Personal insults aside. Whats hard to believe? A car with 4-550hp which pulls 0-60 in 4-5 seconds in perfect conditions was bested by a modded AWD car that is rated +/- 6 with the auto. If the caddy spun its wheels for even 2 seconds, its lost. 0-60 is very short. And like I have said before, the real world is not sand, gravel, and oil free. I can pretty much guarantee the caddy had some wheelspin. And as soon as he hook up, he relled him in and blew him out of the water. Try to be objective here.

[greensto]

Finally someone with a brain.

I guess those who think it was realistic have no brain. I mean plenty of people spin their tires off the line when they're not racing...

[MisterQuattro]

i test drove the 09 had to change my drawers when i left the dealership :)

[Hammer]

Personal insults aside. Whats hard to believe? A car with 4-550hp which pulls 0-60 in 4-5 seconds in perfect conditions was bested by a modded AWD car that is rated +/- 6 with the auto. If the caddy spun its wheels for even 2 seconds, its lost. 0-60 is very short. And like I have said before, the real world is not sand, gravel, and oil free. I can pretty much guarantee the caddy had some wheelspin. And as soon as he hook up, he relled him in and blew him out of the water. Try to be objective here.

Best post in this thread. Kudos to someone who understands real world driving and doesn't run straight to his Car & Driver magazine. [up]

[Charles]

Do you guys not realize that CTS-V has traction and stability control? This isn't a 1995 Z28 here. Wheel spin is going to be very minimal. Now, if he turned all of that off and floored it, then yes, he might have wasted time spinning his wheels, but that's beside the point. Point is, the V is MUCH faster than a Stage 2 A4.
But, I'm glad he made you feel like you had somewhat of a fast car. ;)

[WasGTIguy]

Do you guys not realize that CTS-V has traction and stability control?

Yes we do.



This isn't a 1995 Z28 here. Wheel spin is going to be very minimal.

How do you know? Were you present? What were the conditions of the asphalt? Temperature of the tires? So many variables that the mags racers need to take into account.



Now, if he turned all of that off and floored it, then yes, he might have wasted time spinning his wheels, but that's beside the point.

No. Thats exactly the point. If he was infact spinning or traction control was cutting power. Then the Audi could already have a substantial lead. Its very possible that was what happened. Traction as the winner here, not brute force. And yes the CTS reeled him in at the top of second and passed.


Point is, the V is MUCH faster than a Stage 2 A4.
But, I'm glad he made you feel like you had somewhat of a fast car. ;)

That was never at question. I think we can all agree the CTS-V can do circles around an A4 and even a B7 S4. Could this situation be repeated? Problably not. But who knows.

[JRMSLINEA4]

Personal insults aside. Whats hard to believe? A car with 4-550hp which pulls 0-60 in 4-5 seconds in perfect conditions was bested by a modded AWD car that is rated +/- 6 with the auto. If the caddy spun its wheels for even 2 seconds, its lost. 0-60 is very short. And like I have said before, the real world is not sand, gravel, and oil free. I can pretty much guarantee the caddy had some wheelspin. And as soon as he hook up, he relled him in and blew him out of the water. Try to be objective here.This is true. But after the Caddy hooked up it would be all over for a A4 with less than a Stage III+ car.

[Charles]

Yes we do.



How do you know? Were you present? What were the conditions of the asphalt? Temperature of the tires? So many variables that the mags racers need to take into account.



No. Thats exactly the point. If he was infact spinning or traction control was cutting power. Then the Audi could already have a substantial lead. Its very possible that was what happened. Traction as the winner here, not brute force. And yes the CTS reeled him in at the top of second and passed.



That was never at question. I think we can all agree the CTS-V can do circles around an A4 and even a B7 S4. Could this situation be repeated? Problably not. But who knows.

You're missing the point. Everyone is sitting here trying to make excuses and form scenarios about how the A4 could lead a CTS-V. I'm simply saying that those scenarios aren't likely...at all (in other words, the V wasn't really racing). On top of that, even if the scenarios did happen, who the f*ck cares? OP was bragging that he kept up with a CTS-V like it wasn't that fast. It is, and there's no way an A4 could keep up unless there was marbles all over the wet pavement. Jeez. Why don't you just say "well, if a unicorn flew in front of the Audi, then the fairy dust from the wings could have been sucked into the intake and given it 100 extra HP!!". Scenarios don't count. The fact is that a CTS-V is faster than an A4.

[WasGTIguy]

You're missing the point. Everyone is sitting here trying to make excuses and form scenarios about how the A4 could lead a CTS-V. I'm simply saying that those scenarios aren't likely...at all (in other words, the V wasn't really racing). On top of that, even if the scenarios did happen, who the f*ck cares? OP was bragging that he kept up with a CTS-V like it wasn't that fast. It is, and there's no way an A4 could keep up unless there was marbles all over the wet pavement. Jeez. Why don't you just say "well, if a unicorn flew in front of the Audi, then the fairy dust from the wings could have been sucked into the intake and given it 100 extra HP!!". Scenarios don't count. The fact is that a CTS-V is faster than an A4.

I think you have completely missed the point. You just said it's unlikely at all(impossible?). But it is very possible. Bring your favorite RWD powerhouse to me right now and my poxy 3.2 avant will destroy it in a drag. Nope no snow on the ground either. But there is sand and salt residue. If I can spin all 4 tires right now, you'll be hopeless in your CTS-V. Now thats just an example. I never said once that the A4 was faster or that it's gods chariot or anything of the sort. I know exactly what the capabilities of my car are. You just cant seem to wrap you're head around the fact that it happened.

The caddys tires could have lit up, TC could have cut power. By the time he hooked up and pulled by the A4 another 4-5 seconds have already passed. Scenarios do certainly count. Thats what racing is all about. None of us get the mag racing numbers on the street or perfect launches/traction. Those number are by pros on a maintained strip. What happened here is a scenario. In any other condition the caddy would fly passed the Audi like a stabbed rat. No question about it.

It was a moot victory and in any other situation the CTS would have just destroyed it. I agree, who cares. But being ignorant to possibility with certain conditions is just silly.

[greensto]

You're missing the point. Everyone is sitting here trying to make excuses and form scenarios about how the A4 could lead a CTS-V. I'm simply saying that those scenarios aren't likely...at all (in other words, the V wasn't really racing). On top of that, even if the scenarios did happen, who the f*ck cares? OP was bragging that he kept up with a CTS-V like it wasn't that fast. It is, and there's no way an A4 could keep up unless there was marbles all over the wet pavement. Jeez. Why don't you just say "well, if a unicorn flew in front of the Audi, then the fairy dust from the wings could have been sucked into the intake and given it 100 extra HP!!". Scenarios don't count. The fact is that a CTS-V is faster than an A4.

I wasn't trying to brag at all. Just mentioning what happened and thought it was a fun story. The CTS-V is a LOT more powerful than my car. I never said my car was faster, but I am sure the guy was racing since his wheels were spinning for a little over a second. My intentions weren't to make my car seem faster or the caddy slower. Just kind of an interesting real-world scenario I wanted to share.

[topshelf BiZ]

Just a crazy thought, but what if it was just a CTS?

[greensto]

Just a crazy thought, but what if it was just a CTS?

Might make you think that, but I'm absolutely positive it was a V. It wasn't just a CTS with the badge glued on lol. I wish I knew the CTS-V had an upgraded engine in the newer ones, so I would have differentiated it when I saw it but I'm not going to assume.

[b6onboost]

Anything can happen in a race given the variables involved. However, given both are driven properly, the CTS-V is a significantly faster car than a stage 2 A4. Doesn't matter which CTS-V version either.

[greensto]

*beats a dead horse* I think it's time to just close this thread. I won't be posting more races I experience :P

[wootwoot]

*beats a dead horse* I think it's time to just close this thread. I won't be posting more races I experience :P

Don't let the haters get to you. I appreciate the story and would like to hear more as they come.